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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Now i know its the males preference etc etc but being bi doesnt make me instantly want both? Being bi just means i'll swing both ways but a lot of couples write us bi guys off?
I mean are you worried we're all camp? Or that we'll try and touch the guy without permission?
Or is it just the fact i've only been on here a few weeks, have a bad profile or just impaitent?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some people dig bi guys, others don't.
You will find there are more guys here that dig bi guys than there are couples or women, but that could be attributed to the fact that there are more guys here, period.
Your profile doesn't say a great deal about you, what you seek in others and more importantly what you can provide for them.
The term 'anything that makes my dick wet' will see you _iewed by many as a 'any holes a goal' merchant, which sadly puts a good deal of people off.
Fab isn't about easy lays and whilst they sometimes do happen, in the majority you do have to work for them.
You have been here 6 weeks and have not yet had a (verified) meet. That may seem like an eternity to some people, but in Fab terms you will still be seen by many as 'a bit wet behind the ears'
On a more positive note, you haven't gone overboard with the cock shots, which is a trap many guys fall into and you have a couple of clear body shots.
I would have at least 1 clear face pic that if not shown is at least available to send out to those people you do message.
As you have probably gathered, many messages go unanswered and most of the interest in you probably comes from other bi males.
The Forums do provide a good education for newbies to the scene in terms of how to act - and more importantly HOW NOT TO - and what peoples expectations are of any prospective meet they have on here.
So read and understand the forums, but also read and understand profiles fully before messaging, making sure you are what they are looking for and more importantly they are what you are looking for with that preferably being reflected in your profile.
None of the above are givens to success and it really is down to you to make the difference.
I wish you well and hope that you can make the site work for you  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Now i know its the males preference etc etc but being bi doesnt make me instantly want both? Being bi just means i'll swing both ways but a lot of couples write us bi guys off?
I mean are you worried we're all camp? Or that we'll try and touch the guy without permission?
Or is it just the fact i've only been on here a few weeks, have a bad profile or just impaitent?
Thanks swingers"
Well as you have asked the question presumably you want an honest answer. In our case, we won't play with bisexual men for two reasons. 1) Bisexual men are more likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than heterosexuals or homosexuals (and I am not interested in the neo-liberal politically correct howls of outrage that this assertion will un doubtedly elicit; my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger) 2) As a heterosexual man I do not want to take part in a sex session with other men who might be attracted to me.
And just to pre-empt any accusations of homophobia by the neo-liberal politically correct brigade, I was marching with the Gay Liberation Front when most of you were still at school. |
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Well as you have asked the question presumably you want an honest answer. In our case, we won't play with bisexual men for two reasons. 1) Bisexual men are more likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than heterosexuals or homosexuals (and I am not interested in the neo-liberal politically correct howls of outrage that this assertion will un doubtedly elicit; my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger) 2) As a heterosexual man I do not want to take part in a sex session with other men who might be attracted to me.
And just to pre-empt any accusations of homophobia by the neo-liberal politically correct brigade, I was marching with the Gay Liberation Front when most of you were still at school."
Thanks. I (female) have just remembered why I would never see straight men  |
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"Now i know its the males preference etc etc but being bi doesnt make me instantly want both? Being bi just means i'll swing both ways but a lot of couples write us bi guys off?
I mean are you worried we're all camp? Or that we'll try and touch the guy without permission?
Or is it just the fact i've only been on here a few weeks, have a bad profile or just impaitent?
Thanks swingers
Well as you have asked the question presumably you want an honest answer. In our case, we won't play with bisexual men for two reasons. 1) Bisexual men are more likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than heterosexuals or homosexuals (and I am not interested in the neo-liberal politically correct howls of outrage that this assertion will un doubtedly elicit; my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger) 2) As a heterosexual man I do not want to take part in a sex session with other men who might be attracted to me.
And just to pre-empt any accusations of homophobia by the neo-liberal politically correct brigade, I was marching with the Gay Liberation Front when most of you were still at school."
And there we go thats probably the honest answer we all wanted to put but didnt have the bottle.. Agree.. and we too like you.. fab answer.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Now i know its the males preference etc etc but being bi doesnt make me instantly want both? Being bi just means i'll swing both ways but a lot of couples write us bi guys off?
I mean are you worried we're all camp? Or that we'll try and touch the guy without permission?
Or is it just the fact i've only been on here a few weeks, have a bad profile or just impaitent?
Thanks swingers
Well as you have asked the question presumably you want an honest answer. In our case, we won't play with bisexual men for two reasons. 1) Bisexual men are more likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than heterosexuals or homosexuals (and I am not interested in the neo-liberal politically correct howls of outrage that this assertion will un doubtedly elicit; my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger) 2) As a heterosexual man I do not want to take part in a sex session with other men who might be attracted to me.
And just to pre-empt any accusations of homophobia by the neo-liberal politically correct brigade, I was marching with the Gay Liberation Front when most of you were still at school."
Could you please post a link to the WHO statistical data? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Now i know its the males preference etc etc but being bi doesnt make me instantly want both? Being bi just means i'll swing both ways but a lot of couples write us bi guys off?
I mean are you worried we're all camp? Or that we'll try and touch the guy without permission?
Or is it just the fact i've only been on here a few weeks, have a bad profile or just impaitent?
Thanks swingers
Well as you have asked the question presumably you want an honest answer. In our case, we won't play with bisexual men for two reasons. 1) Bisexual men are more likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than heterosexuals or homosexuals (and I am not interested in the neo-liberal politically correct howls of outrage that this assertion will un doubtedly elicit; my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger) 2) As a heterosexual man I do not want to take part in a sex session with other men who might be attracted to me.
And just to pre-empt any accusations of homophobia by the neo-liberal politically correct brigade, I was marching with the Gay Liberation Front when most of you were still at school."
I (m) am not 'the average fabswinger' whatever that might be when it comes to statistics so please dont patronise, nor assume that there is any chance I would fancy or try to touch you. We are all entitled to choose with whom we play and what we do so just stick to that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its difficult to be a bi guy within a cpl.We state that M is straight in our profile but thats because when we stated he was bi straight cpls seem to think they can't have a meet without some male interaction,but as all sexually liberated people know who gives a shite if ur gay,lesdian,straight or whatever.You meet you talk and you take it from there.Rant over !!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger
Which one, Pete Townsend or Roger Daltry?  "
Lol. After posting something so controversial it's a shame he never hung around to argue his point of _iew  |
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"my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger
Which one, Pete Townsend or Roger Daltry?
Lol. After posting something so controversial it's a shame he never hung around to argue his point of _iew "
Perhaps he has had a bad experience in the past, who knows? But he obviously trusts the advice of the WHO and I can understand why. That way
He won't get fooled again!  |
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"Now i know its the males preference etc etc but being bi doesnt make me instantly want both? Being bi just means i'll swing both ways but a lot of couples write us bi guys off?
I mean are you worried we're all camp? Or that we'll try and touch the guy without permission?
Or is it just the fact i've only been on here a few weeks, have a bad profile or just impaitent?
Thanks swingers"
Because the male half of the couple is homophobic and in many cases can't bring himself to admit it.
They will come up with all sorts of excuses to justify their prejudice, but the basic fact of the matter is they're homophobic.
Bi men look exactly the same as straight men. Bi men talk and think exactly the same as straight men.
The straight male half of couples just want to fuck women, and they see single males as an unwelcome intrusion into their little fantasy world.
I've come to the conclusion many males are using their bisexual female partners as a way to fuck other women. If their wives/girlfriends suddenly announced they wanted to play with other men, you can bet your life these husbands/boyfriends would want to drop out of swinging ASAP.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Now i know its the males preference etc etc but being bi doesnt make me instantly want both? Being bi just means i'll swing both ways but a lot of couples write us bi guys off?
I mean are you worried we're all camp? Or that we'll try and touch the guy without permission?
Or is it just the fact i've only been on here a few weeks, have a bad profile or just impaitent?
Thanks swingers
Well as you have asked the question presumably you want an honest answer. In our case, we won't play with bisexual men for two reasons. 1) Bisexual men are more likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than heterosexuals or homosexuals (and I am not interested in the neo-liberal politically correct howls of outrage that this assertion will un doubtedly elicit; my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger) 2) As a heterosexual man I do not want to take part in a sex session with other men who might be attracted to me.
And just to pre-empt any accusations of homophobia by the neo-liberal politically correct brigade, I was marching with the Gay Liberation Front when most of you were still at school.
I (m) am not 'the average fabswinger' whatever that might be when it comes to statistics so please dont patronise, nor assume that there is any chance I would fancy or try to touch you. We are all entitled to choose with whom we play and what we do so just stick to that."
I am no more interested in emotional responses than I am interested in the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the neo liberal politically correct brigade .The poster asked a question and I answered it honestly. |
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Because the male half of the couple is homophobic and in many cases can't bring himself to admit it.
They will come up with all sorts of excuses to justify their prejudice, but the basic fact of the matter is they're homophobic.
Bi men look exactly the same as straight men. Bi men talk and think exactly the same as straight men.
The straight male half of couples just want to fuck women, and they see single males as an unwelcome intrusion into their little fantasy world.
I've come to the conclusion many males are using their bisexual female partners as a way to fuck other women. If their wives/girlfriends suddenly announced they wanted to play with other men, you can bet your life these husbands/boyfriends would want to drop out of swinging ASAP.
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Wow the award for posting baseless untrue bs has been claimed here hasnt it.
The majority of couples will meet single guys but equally there are many that dont tarring everyone with the same brush says more about you and your experiences thus far than anything else.
However, this site and the world of swinging is "single" male dominated and to be fair I cant blame couples that get a bit sick of it, it also allows you the ability to get EXACTLY what you want and dismiss anyone you dont quite easily as when 3/4 of the people who message or _iew you are men there is always someone else who is going to be more preferential coming along soon.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It could be any of those things. Not necessarily that you are bi or your profile, or where you live, or your age, or the month of the year. Just one of those things.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger
Which one, Pete Townsend or Roger Daltry?
Lol. After posting something so controversial it's a shame he never hung around to argue his point of _iew "
Well go and argue with the World Health Organisation. I am sure they will be most interested to hear that you disagree with the results of their extensive research.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger
Which one, Pete Townsend or Roger Daltry?
Lol. After posting something so controversial it's a shame he never hung around to argue his point of _iew "
Well go and argue with the World Health Organisation. I am sure they will be most interested to hear that you disagree with the results of their extensive research.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger
Which one, Pete Townsend or Roger Daltry? "
Pete Townsend probably, if what we heard in Cambodia was true. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Now i know its the males preference etc etc but being bi doesnt make me instantly want both? Being bi just means i'll swing both ways but a lot of couples write us bi guys off?
I mean are you worried we're all camp? Or that we'll try and touch the guy without permission?
Or is it just the fact i've only been on here a few weeks, have a bad profile or just impaitent?
Thanks swingers"
ive been turned down by couples in the past because i meet bi guys, some dont like the idea of men with men that much they wont meet people who have played with them
Ive seen it on a few profile where it says they have no interest in bi men or people who play with them
why let it bother you
i wont loose any sleep because someone wont meet me based on who i have sex with thats for sure
you carry on being bi, i'll carry on meeting bi men and sod the rest |
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"Now i know its the males preference etc etc but being bi doesnt make me instantly want both? Being bi just means i'll swing both ways but a lot of couples write us bi guys off?
I mean are you worried we're all camp? Or that we'll try and touch the guy without permission?
Or is it just the fact i've only been on here a few weeks, have a bad profile or just impaitent?
Thanks swingers
ive been turned down by couples in the past because i meet bi guys, some dont like the idea of men with men that much they wont meet people who have played with them
Ive seen it on a few profile where it says they have no interest in bi men or people who play with them
why let it bother you
i wont loose any sleep because someone wont meet me based on who i have sex with thats for sure
you carry on being bi, i'll carry on meeting bi men and sod the rest "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger
Which one, Pete Townsend or Roger Daltry?
Lol. After posting something so controversial it's a shame he never hung around to argue his point of _iew
Well go and argue with the World Health Organisation. I am sure they will be most interested to hear that you disagree with the results of their extensive research.
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We'd respectfully ask again for the link to your research please. |
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By *allusMan
over a year ago
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I absolutely totally agree and know exactly what you mean it's not like we are going to start sticking our toungues down a guy throat !!! in fact that to me is actually I think not erotic or a turn on at all but sucking his cock is a completely different thing but only in the right circumstances when all are happy Bi Sexuality is what it says I think its more to do with sexual freedom in sex |
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In my experience, it's that a lot of males in straight couples are simply uncomfortable with the notion of bisexuality, period. It's fine when applied to women, that's OK, they fancy women, but men fucking men is just wrong.
I've heard variations of that, so many times it's untrue. I particularly liked the guy who claimed he wasn't homophobic, because he loves "watching lesbos at it", but gay men are "just fucking wrong".
Hey ho, it takes all sorts. If they're not interested in you, move on to the next. It does get me down a little sometime the prejudice I often face compared to the open, willing, in fact desperate welcome that bi women get, but you can't change the world.
If you go to CDC.gov you can get some broad, useless stats if that gets you going; sure, it's US data, but it's helpful perhaps to know that young, single women are the highest infection growth area, for all STI's and STD's apart from HIV/AIDs which is still MSM (Men who have Sex with Men. Americans love their abbreviations, don't they?!). But for your regular syphilis, gonorrhoea, chlamydia etc. it's the young women that you've most to worry about.
In any case, no matter who you're with, put a bag on it, eh?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger
Which one, Pete Townsend or Roger Daltry?
Lol. After posting something so controversial it's a shame he never hung around to argue his point of _iew "
Perhaps the digs you made at him put him off bothering anymore. He answered honestly and I respect his _iews.
Are you Proud of yourself now?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Now i know its the males preference etc etc but being bi doesnt make me instantly want both? Being bi just means i'll swing both ways but a lot of couples write us bi guys off?
I mean are you worried we're all camp? Or that we'll try and touch the guy without permission?
Or is it just the fact i've only been on here a few weeks, have a bad profile or just impaitent?
Thanks swingers
Well as you have asked the question presumably you want an honest answer. In our case, we won't play with bisexual men for two reasons. 1) Bisexual men are more likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than heterosexuals or homosexuals (and I am not interested in the neo-liberal politically correct howls of outrage that this assertion will un doubtedly elicit; my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger) 2) As a heterosexual man I do not want to take part in a sex session with other men who might be attracted to me.
And just to pre-empt any accusations of homophobia by the neo-liberal politically correct brigade, I was marching with the Gay Liberation Front when most of you were still at school.
I (m) am not 'the average fabswinger' whatever that might be when it comes to statistics so please dont patronise, nor assume that there is any chance I would fancy or try to touch you. We are all entitled to choose with whom we play and what we do so just stick to that.
I am no more interested in emotional responses than I am interested in the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the neo liberal politically correct brigade .The poster asked a question and I answered it honestly. "
And I am no more interested in your opnion of selective "statistics" you clearly don't understand, decide to think through or provide links to. Nor was my response emotional in any way. If you reread your own answer, you were the one showing emotion. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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wow, statistics from the WHO and tittle tattle from Cambodia on the same thread, always the basis for a good discussion.
I actually agree that Gay/Bi are referenced as a higher risk group and they may be. I do however find it strange that the other groups mentioned as higher risks seem to be exempt from any reference to their presence in this risk group on threads about preferences.
Some find it easier to be badged a potential homophobe than a potential racist.
all debate is healthy though.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well we're thinking o trying a guy, looking for an orally bi if there is such a thing lol , so as not all attention on her as feels intimidated n he loves a blow job lol, , so no sure how bi guys get a bad name, sure most are clean and healthy , mmmmm well hope so lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Labels, choice, blah blah blah. The only reason we were getting all hot under the collar on this thread is because someone said '1) Bisexual men are more likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than heterosexuals or homosexuals'. And so far he hasn't given us the proof  |
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I'm not joining the arguement on either side, however less than 3 minutes of googling lead me to the CDC website (Centre for disease control and prevention).
"Gay and bisexual men, like all men, need to be aware of the ways they can protect their health through all stages of life. For all men, the leading causes of death are heart disease and cancer. However, among men who have sex with men (MSM), there are higher rates of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), tobacco and drug use, and depression compared to other men."
So yes according to the CDC and I assume the WHO too bisexual and gay men are a higher risk group for STI's, so the poster who was claiming this wasn't talking out of his bum (like him or not!)
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I'm bisexual....and have had sex with women on their own and with m/f couples both with me touching the guy and sometimes not. I'm extremely clean and healthy too and always practice safer sex. I don't like marmite. |
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seems a big load of rubbish tbh seems your homophobic if people don't meet bi guys etc thats shit. People have there own choices those couples that don't like bi guys aren't stopping people being bi or anything else. If u want your sexuality and choices to be respected surely u should do the same? |
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"Labels, choice, blah blah blah. The only reason we were getting all hot under the collar on this thread is because someone said '1) Bisexual men are more likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than heterosexuals or homosexuals'. And so far he hasn't given us the proof "
if 'their' _iewpoint is causing you to be all hot under the collar, why not source the evidence to support your own perspective..
not rocket science.. |
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"I'm not joining the arguement on either side, however less than 3 minutes of googling lead me to the CDC website (Centre for disease control and prevention).
Gay and bisexual men, like all men, need to be aware of the ways they can protect their health through all stages of life. For all men, the leading causes of death are heart disease and cancer. However, among men who have sex with men (MSM), there are higher rates of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), tobacco and drug use, and depression compared to other men.
So yes according to the CDC and I assume the WHO too bisexual and gay men are a higher risk group for STI's, so the poster who was claiming this wasn't talking out of his bum (like him or not!)
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In answer to the OP's question I,d pick the option of "bad profile" |
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"my source of information here is the WHO who know far more about this kind of thing than the average Fabswinger
Which one, Pete Townsend or Roger Daltry?
Lol. After posting something so controversial it's a shame he never hung around to argue his point of _iew
Perhaps the digs you made at him put him off bothering anymore. He answered honestly and I respect his _iews.
Are you Proud of yourself now?
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No, I just have contempt for these people.First of all they raise the homophobic card (despite the fact that we are talking about bisexuals and not homosexuals) when they almost certainly have never marched for gay rights with either the Gay Liberation Front or the Campaign for Homosexual Equality (and indeed have probably never even heard of these organisations), but are just armchair reformers ie people who talk about things but don't actually do anything about them, secondly they probably don't know any gay men or women (and if they did they might learn that a lot of gay men and gay women are not favourably disposed towards bisexual men though that is not the case with my gay friends), and thirdly they simply cannot face the truth due to their conditioned neo-liberal sensibilities.
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"I'm not joining the arguement on either side, however less than 3 minutes of googling lead me to the CDC website (Centre for disease control and prevention).
Gay and bisexual men, like all men, need to be aware of the ways they can protect their health through all stages of life. For all men, the leading causes of death are heart disease and cancer. However, among men who have sex with men (MSM), there are higher rates of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), tobacco and drug use, and depression compared to other men.
So yes according to the CDC and I assume the WHO too bisexual and gay men are a higher risk group for STI's, so the poster who was claiming this wasn't talking out of his bum (like him or not!)
In answer to the OP's question I,d pick the option of "bad profile" "
Glad to see someone else is not so conditioned by neo-liberal political correctness that he/ she is incapable of being both objective and honest. |
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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago
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"Now i know its the males preference etc etc but being bi doesnt make me instantly want both? Being bi just means i'll swing both ways but a lot of couples write us bi guys off?
I mean are you worried we're all camp? Or that we'll try and touch the guy without permission?
Or is it just the fact i've only been on here a few weeks, have a bad profile or just impaitent?
Thanks swingers"
Would say your profile is the main problem....it tells people nothing about you. |
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To go back to the original question:
From my (S) point of _iew playing with a bi guy (as a couple) would leave me feeling that the guy was somehow missing out and not getting as much out of the encounter as he could be. |
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each to there own i say if they dont meet bi guys then fine why worry if they do thats great.
i have noticed and bi no means disagree with any stats but all the bi cpls i have met are safe sex at all times wish i could say the same about str8 cpls who i have had many asking for BB but like i said each to there own and i say sorry not how i play |
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"I'm not joining the arguement on either side, however less than 3 minutes of googling lead me to the CDC website (Centre for disease control and prevention).
Gay and bisexual men, like all men, need to be aware of the ways they can protect their health through all stages of life. For all men, the leading causes of death are heart disease and cancer. However, among men who have sex with men (MSM), there are higher rates of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), tobacco and drug use, and depression compared to other men.
So yes according to the CDC and I assume the WHO too bisexual and gay men are a higher risk group for STI's, so the poster who was claiming this wasn't talking out of his bum (like him or not!)
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I've neither read the cited material, or really considered the subject too much, but what's striking about that quote is it appears to not consider differential behaviour which may or may not be present in the groups of men, in terms of number of partners, protection use (or not). There is an implied correlation with drug use which may be a contributing factor.
I understand it's been proven that unprotected anal sex and sharing of needles among drug users are extreme high risk factors for transmission of HIV. I'm just not sure that the quoted study proves that gay and bisexual men are at any higher risk of being carriers, if all other factors have been negated.
I'm sure with a bit of data crunching it could easily be proven that heterosexual swingers are higher risk than gay and bisexual men in monogamous relationships.
But thanks for posting - I didn't realise they were more depressed than other men, had better avoid them now 'cos that could be catching! |
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Just thought I'd add.....
As as single female I meet bi guys the same as I do straight
As the female in a bi couple, I play with bi guys. Just 'cos it's hot!  |
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"seems a big load of rubbish tbh seems your homophobic if people don't meet bi guys etc thats shit. People have there own choices those couples that don't like bi guys aren't stopping people being bi or anything else. If u want your sexuality and choices to be respected surely u should do the same? "
Absolutely this. Everyone has the right to play with whoever they want. Some will want to play with bi people/ bbw's/ tall people/ gingers etc, some won't. If someone doesn't want to play with them, so what? It's their right. Anything else is disrespectful.
As for the WHO or whatever statistics.... perhaps that is what puts some people off playing with bi men, that is their choice.
However, seems to me that some people assume that straight men and 'whatever sexuality' women are 100% not likely to be infected with any disease whatsoever. It's only ever gay and bi men that you have to avoid.....
Seriously? It's just a big game of Russian Roulette. ANYONE can be affected/ infected. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Countries with the highest prevelance of HIV / AIDS Infection :
#1. Swaziland
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 25.90% (As of 2009)
#2. Botswana
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 24.80% (As of 2009)
#3. Lesotho
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 23.60% (As of 2009)
#4. South Africa
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 17.80% (As of 2009)
#5. Zimbabwe
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 14.30% (As of 2009)
#6. Zambia
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 13.50% (As of 2009)
#7. Namibia
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 13.10% (As of 2009)
#8. Mozambique
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 11.50% (As of 2009)
#9. Malawi
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 11.00% (As of 2009)
#10. Uganda
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 6.50% (As of 2009)
#11. Kenya
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 6.30% (As of 2009)
#12. Tanzania
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 5.60% (As of 2009)
Now, I could be wide of the mark here, but these countries, whilst probably being high on the WHO priority list, are not that well renowned for their latent homosexuality / bi sexuality or for their high rate of Fab membership. |
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"Labels, choice, blah blah blah. The only reason we were getting all hot under the collar on this thread is because someone said '1) Bisexual men are more likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than heterosexuals or homosexuals'. And so far he hasn't given us the proof
if 'their' _iewpoint is causing you to be all hot under the collar, why not source the evidence to support your own perspective..
not rocket science.."
We did try and source their research, and couldn't find it on WHO, hence our request.
What we did find on there was that there was a dispraportionate number of women and adolescent girls who were more at risk from STIs: we couldn't find a specific reference to bisexual men.
However, researching elswhere found the following references:
Bi men over 2X as likely as heterosexual men to report an STI diagnosis (gay men 5.5X as likely as heterosexual men)
(Brennan et al, in press 2010)
Fair enough you might think.
Then below that was this:
Bi women over 3X as likely as heterosexual women to report an STI diagnosis (lesbians
similar to heterosexual women)
(Steele et al,2009)
Point here being that whilst we respect their wishes not to meet Bi men - although being condescending and downright rude about it does nothing to help their cause, the second reference clearly suggests that bisexual women carry similar if not higher risk.
It just appears a blinkered _iew on the risks of either sex being bisexual.
As others have stated, it should have no bearing on others who we, as individuals on this site, choose to meet. There's no need to be inflammatory in any way regarding another's sexuality so lets all try and let this row die away. |
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I could quite happily debate statistics and probabilities here all night but it's not necessary and no-one will want to see citations running down this post so to keep things simple:
1. Sex is riskier than no sex;
2. "safe" sex is safer than bareback;
These are both facts. Anything else is an opinion derived from data collection and therefore open to interpretation.
Any statistical reports have to be read in full, in context, and with an understanding of methodology. For instance the CDC report is 155 pages (this isn't an attack on the poster who mentioned it, I just use it as an example), and could be used to 'prove' lots of contradictory statements.
Yawn. Just bored myself!
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As someone who openly states their bisexuality on his profile, I often wonder why I get winks and messages from supposedly straight men. I would venture to say that 99% of the profiles on here listed as bisexual are exactly that. A pity I can't say the same for the "straight" blokes. A bit of honesty won't kill you, it might actually be more fun. |
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"As someone who openly states their bisexuality on his profile, I often wonder why I get winks and messages from supposedly straight men. I would venture to say that 99% of the profiles on here listed as bisexual are exactly that. A pity I can't say the same for the "straight" blokes. A bit of honesty won't kill you, it might actually be more fun."
Yeah but think of all the gay and bi blokes who thrive on the ideas of guys being REALLY straight.
Honesty would just kill the fun for them |
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It does make me wonder if some people just have trouble actually filling in a profile, and if they do make a mistake, they have not realised because they have not been bothered to check.
I don't think that gay or bi men get a thrill from seducing a straight bloke. They are probably more nervous of them kicking off when it's their turn to "smoke the salami". |
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"As someone who openly states their bisexuality on his profile, I often wonder why I get winks and messages from supposedly straight men. I would venture to say that 99% of the profiles on here listed as bisexual are exactly that. A pity I can't say the same for the "straight" blokes. A bit of honesty won't kill you, it might actually be more fun."
Ah well the English are one of the most dishonest peoples there are as well as being sexually repressed so what do you expect? |
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"Countries with the highest prevelance of HIV / AIDS Infection :
#1. Swaziland
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 25.90% (As of 2009)
#2. Botswana
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 24.80% (As of 2009)
#3. Lesotho
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 23.60% (As of 2009)
#4. South Africa
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 17.80% (As of 2009)
#5. Zimbabwe
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 14.30% (As of 2009)
#6. Zambia
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 13.50% (As of 2009)
#7. Namibia
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 13.10% (As of 2009)
#8. Mozambique
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 11.50% (As of 2009)
#9. Malawi
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 11.00% (As of 2009)
#10. Uganda
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 6.50% (As of 2009)
#11. Kenya
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 6.30% (As of 2009)
#12. Tanzania
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 5.60% (As of 2009)
Now, I could be wide of the mark here, but these countries, whilst probably being high on the WHO priority list, are not that well renowned for their latent homosexuality / bi sexuality or for their high rate of Fab membership."
Well as someone who has travelled extensively (and by travel I mean putting a rucsack on my back and wandering around a country for at least three months) I would suggest that you go and travel in some of these countries. You might learn a thing or two!
If the world is a book then he who has not travelled has read only one page. St Augustine |
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Of course, you are the only person on this site who has travelled!
You haven't even asked the poster if he has been to any of those places, you just assumed that you must have travelled more extensively.
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"Countries with the highest prevelance of HIV / AIDS Infection :
#1. Swaziland
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 25.90% (As of 2009)
#2. Botswana
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 24.80% (As of 2009)
#3. Lesotho
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 23.60% (As of 2009)
#4. South Africa
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 17.80% (As of 2009)
#5. Zimbabwe
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 14.30% (As of 2009)
#6. Zambia
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 13.50% (As of 2009)
#7. Namibia
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 13.10% (As of 2009)
#8. Mozambique
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 11.50% (As of 2009)
#9. Malawi
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 11.00% (As of 2009)
#10. Uganda
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 6.50% (As of 2009)
#11. Kenya
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 6.30% (As of 2009)
#12. Tanzania
HIV/AIDS – adult prevalence rate: 5.60% (As of 2009)
Now, I could be wide of the mark here, but these countries, whilst probably being high on the WHO priority list, are not that well renowned for their latent homosexuality / bi sexuality or for their high rate of Fab membership.
Well as someone who has travelled extensively (and by travel I mean putting a rucsack on my back and wandering around a country for at least three months) I would suggest that you go and travel in some of these countries. You might learn a thing or two!
If the world is a book then he who has not travelled has read only one page. St Augustine"
In all honesty, these rates will have far more to do with a lack of education, sex education and / or effective contraception than they have to do with the sexual tendencies of the respective populations.
You can take statistics and twist them to fit any argument or standpoint you wish to promote or defend.
For every set you find that justifies your position, people will find alternatives to justify their position.
Not that I am attempting to justify my position. I know I am checked regularly, I know I am currently clean and I know I take steps to ensure that risks are kept to a minimum and as such I have no position to defend, other than I like a bit of cock and some people find that distasteful.
Incidentally, bearing in mind you rely on WHO stats to determine who you meet, if in time the WHO change their stance and show figures that suggest that bi men take are actually less likely to carry an STD than say a group that you would play with, would you then start to play with them ? |
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"As someone who openly states their bisexuality on his profile, I often wonder why I get winks and messages from supposedly straight men. I would venture to say that 99% of the profiles on here listed as bisexual are exactly that. A pity I can't say the same for the "straight" blokes. A bit of honesty won't kill you, it might actually be more fun.
Ah well the English are one of the most dishonest peoples there are as well as being sexually repressed so what do you expect?"
Dishonest? Please do not assume a persons nationality determines their behavior and outlook on life. It's lazy and inaccurate. Americans are stupid? Arabs are violent? Jews are mean? Can you see where that way of think leads? |
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"We dont meet bi men thats our choice.
same here our choice..
Concentrate on ones that will and dont worry about the ones that wont is the simple choice.
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Perfect answer ?? I was going to type that. |
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Oooh I love a good argument. Here goes with the equivalent of farting in a crowded lift... I (J) Personally hate the term homophobic... it's totally the wrong word to use. Being afraid of something is perfectly acceptable, regardless of what that something is. But the bottom line has been stated and re-iterated several times... It's all about choice. There are many preference boxes to tick on your profile regarding sex, age etc, but we wouldn't be having the same discussion about those preferences.... |
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"As someone who openly states their bisexuality on his profile, I often wonder why I get winks and messages from supposedly straight men. I would venture to say that 99% of the profiles on here listed as bisexual are exactly that. A pity I can't say the same for the "straight" blokes. A bit of honesty won't kill you, it might actually be more fun.
Ah well the English are one of the most dishonest peoples there are as well as being sexually repressed so what do you expect?
Dishonest? Please do not assume a persons nationality determines their behavior and outlook on life. It's lazy and inaccurate. Americans are stupid? Arabs are violent? Jews are mean? Can you see where that way of think leads?"
So very true the welsh are Fablasssssss |
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over a year ago
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Perhaps being bi is misunderstood by many people. I've heard it said being bi just means you can't face being gay. For me, being bi means sometimes I fancy a cock, sometimes it's lovely lady bits. If I'm lucky I get both.
As soon as you start trying to guess what someone is thinking you're on shaky ground. Same with sweeping generalisations. I can safely say last time I was having sex with a woman the last thought in my head was "I could really do with a cock right about now".
If I see an ad that says "no bi men" I do walk on but I am curious as to why it says that. |
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"I've heard it said being bi just means you can't face being gay. For me, being bi means sometimes I fancy a cock, sometimes it's lovely lady bits. If I'm lucky I get both.
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It doesn't mean that to me. What it means to me is that I can sexually and actively satisfy both genders. That in itself is refreshing, and says more for how you can empathise and connect with people in general. I hope some appreciate the purity of that statement above blind supposition, ignorance and stigma.
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"I've heard it said being bi just means you can't face being gay. For me, being bi means sometimes I fancy a cock, sometimes it's lovely lady bits. If I'm lucky I get both.
It doesn't mean that to me. What it means to me is that I can sexually and actively satisfy both genders. That in itself is refreshing, and says more for how you can empathise and connect with people in general. I hope some appreciate the purity of that statement above blind supposition, ignorance and stigma.
Wolf
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Male half here , I only use then term
Bi as I believe it's easy for others ! What I really describe myself as is this ,
I tend not to let gender, sexuality, or sexual orientation limit my ability to
Be intimate with someone ! |
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"I've heard it said being bi just means you can't face being gay. For me, being bi means sometimes I fancy a cock, sometimes it's lovely lady bits. If I'm lucky I get both.
It doesn't mean that to me. What it means to me is that I can sexually and actively satisfy both genders. That in itself is refreshing, and says more for how you can empathise and connect with people in general. I hope some appreciate the purity of that statement above blind supposition, ignorance and stigma.
Wolf
Male half here , I only use then term
Bi as I believe it's easy for others ! What I really describe myself as is this ,
I tend not to let gender, sexuality, or sexual orientation limit my ability to
Be intimate with someone ! "
It's wonderful :o)
Wolf
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"I've heard it said being bi just means you can't face being gay. For me, being bi means sometimes I fancy a cock, sometimes it's lovely lady bits. If I'm lucky I get both.
It doesn't mean that to me. What it means to me is that I can sexually and actively satisfy both genders. That in itself is refreshing, and says more for how you can empathise and connect with people in general. I hope some appreciate the purity of that statement above blind supposition, ignorance and stigma.
Wolf
Male half here , I only use then term
Bi as I believe it's easy for others ! What I really describe myself as is this ,
I tend not to let gender, sexuality, or sexual orientation limit my ability to
Be intimate with someone !
It's wonderful :o)
Wolf
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If ever so slightly greedy |
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thats what i luv about fab .... the sharing caring community an the way we never judge others pmsfl ,
il stick to ma bi lads n str8 lads keeps me an them happy |
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Why do people expect others to justify why they don't want to meet them?
If someone has no black, bbws, over 40, straight I don't sob and fret about it: don't give it a second thought.
I certainly wouldn't ask why! |
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"Why do people expect others to justify why they don't want to meet them?
If someone has no black, bbws, over 40, straight I don't sob and fret about it: don't give it a second thought.
I certainly wouldn't ask why! "
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If two people have sex and always use protection for all activities (including oral and fingering etc.) then the risk of getting an sti is very low regardless of gender. However, if no protection is used than anal penetration carries higher risk than any other activity regardless of gender of receiver (obviously if the penetration was by a strap on rather than a penis that would make a difference!)
What is interesting to me is that a lot of people who might insist upon a condom being used for blowjobs, might not see the need for protection when giving oral to a woman.
My wife and I at one point decided that we should both be free to have same gender one-to-one experiences at which point my wife insisted that I use a condom for oral and anal, which I agreed was the best way yet she didn't want to accept that she should have to use protection with another woman. Consequently, for the couple of months that we were still having sex while she also had a girlfriend I was at risk of picking up whatever her girlfriend might have. Since my wife and I stopped having sex I have got checked and was relieved to get the all clear, but it struck me as quite telling that in the quotes above that suggest bi or gay men might be more at risk for sti's they say compared to OTHER MEN. I wonder whether 'sexyslut' would object to a MFF threesome on the grounds of 'risk' in the same way he apparently does to MMF? |
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"If two people have sex and always use protection for all activities (including oral and fingering etc.) then the risk of getting an sti is very low regardless of gender. However, if no protection is used than anal penetration carries higher risk than any other activity regardless of gender of receiver (obviously if the penetration was by a strap on rather than a penis that would make a difference!)
What is interesting to me is that a lot of people who might insist upon a condom being used for blowjobs, might not see the need for protection when giving oral to a woman.
My wife and I at one point decided that we should both be free to have same gender one-to-one experiences at which point my wife insisted that I use a condom for oral and anal, which I agreed was the best way yet she didn't want to accept that she should have to use protection with another woman. Consequently, for the couple of months that we were still having sex while she also had a girlfriend I was at risk of picking up whatever her girlfriend might have. Since my wife and I stopped having sex I have got checked and was relieved to get the all clear, but it struck me as quite telling that in the quotes above that suggest bi or gay men might be more at risk for sti's they say compared to OTHER MEN. I wonder whether 'sexyslut' would object to a MFF threesome on the grounds of 'risk' in the same way he apparently does to MMF?"
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