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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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Locals in Barcelona, the Balearics and the Canary Islands are protesting overtourism.
I wonder how this will affect you lot.  |
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Don't believe all you hear or read.
Only a few overcrowded turist spots are causing unrest. turism is the lifeblood to the majority. |
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By *wayandbackCouple 22 weeks ago
omagh / belfast / dublin |
"Locals in Barcelona, the Balearics and the Canary Islands are protesting overtourism.
I wonder how this will affect you lot. "
This was in April |
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"Locals in Barcelona, the Balearics and the Canary Islands are protesting overtourism.
I wonder how this will affect you lot.
This was in April"
Around the 1st of April if I remember correctly  |
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By *opamineCouple 22 weeks ago
Newcastle |
We have just landed in Mallorca/Magaluf after spending a week in PDI / Gran Canaria and 5 days in Girona. We have seen nothing but open arms for us as tourists. Don’t believe the hype! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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I'm not so sure. I read the Spanish papers constantly. Cost of living is spiraling as a result of overtourism. There have been more recent protests. |
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I was in Canary Islands for work and it was a great experience I think it is a lot of work to get the place cleaned up and clean up after the tourists are gone |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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"I was in Canary Islands for work and it was a great experience I think it is a lot of work to get the place cleaned up and clean up after the tourists are gone "
Not to mention the fact that the profits toward tourism rarely reach the pockets of the locals and in fact in many cases make it that much harder to find affordable housing. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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Recent piece on BBC coverage of this issue in El País.
https://cadenaser.com/nacional/2024/07/22/la-bbc-explica-asi-a-su-audiencia-por-que-los-espanoles-estamos-cansados-del-turismo-cadena-ser/ |
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We went in April for 10nights seen no issues with locals or protests although they were so say happening, very welcoming everywhere you went ! We are back 3rd October for a week |
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By *essysteveCouple 22 weeks ago
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"Recent piece on BBC coverage of this issue in El País.
https://cadenaser.com/nacional/2024/07/22/la-bbc-explica-asi-a-su-audiencia-por-que-los-espanoles-estamos-cansados-del-turismo-cadena-ser/"
The BBC - is so biased - don´t believe all that you read in the press - Spain is a lovely place to live but like anywhere - Paris, London Munich they are always idiots who want to cause unnecessary unrest |
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The issue has been the number of dubious tourist apartments taking over properties, squeezing out locals and driving up rents, especially in places like Barcelona where space is already at a premium. Nobody, aside from the odd idiot, is against tourists personally. |
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Barcelona has always not seen eye to eye with the rest of Spain, it doesn't rely on Tourism so is a bit of an outlier.
Having been to the Mainland three times and both the Canaries and Balearics in the last 12 months, I can honestly say, I have seen no protests at all. The one dissenting voice was a sole piece of graffiti on an abandoned house as you approach Tejita Beach in Tenerife that read, "Tourists Go Home". All the Main Stream media used a picture of it in the recent articles, so it must be fairly unique.
The islands are a different entity to the mainland though, infrastructure is a problem, water especially has become a main issue. The interviews I saw with protesters, (rather than reading skewed newspaper articles), seemed to be, that the protesters were against more development for Tourism rather than the existing tourism, itself. |
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"Don't believe all you hear or read.
Only a few overcrowded turist spots are causing unrest. turism is the lifeblood to the majority. "
Been there 5 times so far this year (canaries) travelling all over the place - I've not seen a thing |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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Read the article. Ppl are angry. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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A lot of this is down to the Generalissmo Francisco Franco desperately building ugly concrete resorts to stimulate a dying economy.
Blame him. We all do. |
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I don't know if blame someone is 40 year dead gives credibility to the issue... |
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By (user no longer on site) 22 weeks ago
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It all kicked off again last weekend in Mallorca. It probably doesn’t help that Brits can be awful tourists but the main reason is locals being priced out of the housing market. |
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"Read the article. Ppl are angry."
Some people are always angry and there’s always a small hardline group of complainers everywhere in society.
It’s not a true reflection of the mood on the ground in the majority of those destinations. |
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Rental laws in Spain do not encourage long term rent of property, so lots of short term holiday lets. Long term lets remain very affordable around here just hard to come by. There are loads of empty houses out of season not being rented out. But that is less to do with tourism than socialism in Spain. Another thing to blame Franco for, letting socialism back in by dying! |
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If you read the Spanish news these protesters where they do have a point that there are few long term rentals available for them to rent so that they can work in the tourist areas have little to no backing from the majority of the locals who have kicked off massively to the point that some of the original demonstrators have been targeted with threats and violence. These protesters are on par with Just stop oil idiots ( their message might be valid but going the wrong way about it!)
Spain is building up for a massive economical crash, same pattern emerging as the last crash. House sales have slumped, small businesses and small business chains are starting to collapse. Town halls cutting back on essential services. This IT black out has done a number of the travel companies as many flights had to be cancelled and re booked at the cost of the companies.
Brace yourselves it’s going to get bumpy from now onwards! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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This is exactly my point.
Overtourism is a massive problem in the resorts. People are angry and rightly so.
I mean... seriously.. a place called "Playa del Inglés"? Ffs. Go home, fat limey, that's what they're saying. |
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"This is exactly my point.
Overtourism is a massive problem in the resorts. People are angry and rightly so.
I mean... seriously.. a place called "Playa del Inglés"? Ffs. Go home, fat limey, that's what they're saying."
I hope that's what they ( may ) be saying, and not you saying those words |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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"This is exactly my point.
Overtourism is a massive problem in the resorts. People are angry and rightly so.
I mean... seriously.. a place called "Playa del Inglés"? Ffs. Go home, fat limey, that's what they're saying.
I hope that's what they ( may ) be saying, and not you saying those words"
It's not me, honeybunch. It's the locals. |
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We’re in Playa Del ingles, right now, and we Scots have been welcomed with open arms.
Some people try and turn anything into an argument to back up there case, for example PDI has Avenida del Italia, Alemania and the European Union near the beach, so I guess all the “fat limey” sun readers will have to find something else to be outraged over |
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By *den_GCCouple 22 weeks ago
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"This is exactly my point.
Overtourism is a massive problem in the resorts. People are angry and rightly so.
I mean... seriously.. a place called "Playa del Inglés"? Ffs. Go home, fat limey, that's what they're saying."
Tourists go home. If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on a journalist doing the sign himself. Limey is not a Spanish expression for us.
Beware of the press. Locals taking issue with new government regulations isn't really a story for the British press. We had the same thing during covid where the press was reporting irregular immigrants sleeping on the streets in PDI when anyone who broke the curfew ended up in lockup.
It's weird to have people thousands of miles away telling you what's happening in your own back yard.
The press is to truth what fish is to bicycle. They write what sells papers and the truth is irrelevant. Yes there are issues but it has less to do with regulations that favour tourism at the expense of locals rather than negative feelings towards tourism itself. The truth just wouldn't sell papers.
Don't take what you read in the papers as gospel. |
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"This is exactly my point.
Overtourism is a massive problem in the resorts. People are angry and rightly so.
I mean... seriously.. a place called "Playa del Inglés"? Ffs. Go home, fat limey, that's what they're saying.
I hope that's what they ( may ) be saying, and not you saying those words
It's not me, honeybunch. It's the locals."
I'm going to Spain again in October, it'll be the 3rd time this year. And so far haven't heard or seen anything like what you claim to be fact.
I'd bet I won't see any evidence in October either.....honeybunch. |
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"This is exactly my point.
Overtourism is a massive problem in the resorts. People are angry and rightly so.
I mean... seriously.. a place called "Playa del Inglés"? Ffs. Go home, fat limey, that's what they're saying.
Tourists go home. If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on a journalist doing the sign himself. Limey is not a Spanish expression for us.
Beware of the press. Locals taking issue with new government regulations isn't really a story for the British press. We had the same thing during covid where the press was reporting irregular immigrants sleeping on the streets in PDI when anyone who broke the curfew ended up in lockup.
It's weird to have people thousands of miles away telling you what's happening in your own back yard.
The press is to truth what fish is to bicycle. They write what sells papers and the truth is irrelevant. Yes there are issues but it has less to do with regulations that favour tourism at the expense of locals rather than negative feelings towards tourism itself. The truth just wouldn't sell papers.
Don't take what you read in the papers as gospel."
we are coming over in October for our first time and I'm guessing we will be made to feel welcome and then no doubt we will book again. |
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By *rompitaMan 22 weeks ago
Gran Canaria South, Great Arguineguin |
So.... we Canarian should go back to grown bananas and tomatoes??? We are the Sex playground of Europe Ja... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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"If you read the Spanish news these protesters where they do have a point that there are few long term rentals available for them to rent so that they can work in the tourist areas have little to no backing from the majority of the locals who have kicked off massively to the point that some of the original demonstrators have been targeted with threats and violence. These protesters are on par with Just stop oil idiots ( their message might be valid but going the wrong way about it!)
Spain is building up for a massive economical crash, same pattern emerging as the last crash. House sales have slumped, small businesses and small business chains are starting to collapse. Town halls cutting back on essential services. This IT black out has done a number of the travel companies as many flights had to be cancelled and re booked at the cost of the companies.
Brace yourselves it’s going to get bumpy from now onwards! "
Very much this.
And yes, I am Spanish. It is my mother tongue. No, I've never called anyone a limey and El País is not a bad newspaper.
As a former journalist myself I don't take everything I read as "gospel" but I do know my history.
It was under Franco that all those horrible ugly massive concrete tourism apartments were built.
Years of poverty, hunger, oppression, tyranny. Many of my parents' generation had to emigrate overseas to find work. I remember the teachers in my Spanish school teaching history but only up to 1901. Even from across the Atlantic, they simply didn't want to talk about the horror of those years.
When Franco died in 1975, the country drew a breath and slowly inched its way.
And then something stupid happened and it was as if the country flipped the other way. After the '92 summer Olympics in Barcelona most of our Spanish expat friends sold their homes and bogged off back to Spain with all the money they made working their butts off.
Then the banks started to really go bonkers. I remember my brother in law saying "This isn't liberty, this is libertinage".
They built a big ugly aluminum smelter a few miles away from some of the nicest beaches in Galicia in a town called Xove and hey, guess what. Cancer rates shot up.
I'll not deny that tourism and hospitality are an important part of the economic reality. But when it gets to the point where a single mother in Gran Canaria is being turfed out of her home because she can't afford the rent because holiday rentals are driving property prices insane then I wonder if things have gotten too far.
And there's plenty of anti-tourist sentiment across Europe for this very reason. |
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"Locals in Barcelona, the Balearics and the Canary Islands are protesting overtourism.
I wonder how this will affect you lot. "
Weird... over in one of the Canaries in June.. they understand its Spanish owners who actually put the rental properties out of reach for the locals. Not the tourists. Go figure |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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"It all kicked off again last weekend in Mallorca. It probably doesn’t help that Brits can be awful tourists but the main reason is locals being priced out of the housing market. "
There you go |
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By *opamineCouple 22 weeks ago
Newcastle |
TL;DR
"If you read the Spanish news these protesters where they do have a point that there are few long term rentals available for them to rent so that they can work in the tourist areas have little to no backing from the majority of the locals who have kicked off massively to the point that some of the original demonstrators have been targeted with threats and violence. These protesters are on par with Just stop oil idiots ( their message might be valid but going the wrong way about it!)
Spain is building up for a massive economical crash, same pattern emerging as the last crash. House sales have slumped, small businesses and small business chains are starting to collapse. Town halls cutting back on essential services. This IT black out has done a number of the travel companies as many flights had to be cancelled and re booked at the cost of the companies.
Brace yourselves it’s going to get bumpy from now onwards!
Very much this.
And yes, I am Spanish. It is my mother tongue. No, I've never called anyone a limey and El País is not a bad newspaper.
As a former journalist myself I don't take everything I read as "gospel" but I do know my history.
It was under Franco that all those horrible ugly massive concrete tourism apartments were built.
Years of poverty, hunger, oppression, tyranny. Many of my parents' generation had to emigrate overseas to find work. I remember the teachers in my Spanish school teaching history but only up to 1901. Even from across the Atlantic, they simply didn't want to talk about the horror of those years.
When Franco died in 1975, the country drew a breath and slowly inched its way.
And then something stupid happened and it was as if the country flipped the other way. After the '92 summer Olympics in Barcelona most of our Spanish expat friends sold their homes and bogged off back to Spain with all the money they made working their butts off.
Then the banks started to really go bonkers. I remember my brother in law saying "This isn't liberty, this is libertinage".
They built a big ugly aluminum smelter a few miles away from some of the nicest beaches in Galicia in a town called Xove and hey, guess what. Cancer rates shot up.
I'll not deny that tourism and hospitality are an important part of the economic reality. But when it gets to the point where a single mother in Gran Canaria is being turfed out of her home because she can't afford the rent because holiday rentals are driving property prices insane then I wonder if things have gotten too far.
And there's plenty of anti-tourist sentiment across Europe for this very reason."
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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"So.... we Canarian should go back to grown bananas and tomatoes??? We are the Sex playground of Europe Ja..."
How about fixing your schools, affordable housing and becoming a tax haven instead? Try that one on for size. |
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Very similar sentiments in the South West of England, especially with the issue of second homes in certain sea side towns.
We visit GC several times of year and have encountered no hostility or problems at all, but despite this, I’m sure GC has the same issues as us here in the South West. |
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"Rental laws in Spain do not encourage long term rent of property, so lots of short term holiday lets. Long term lets remain very affordable around here just hard to come by. There are loads of empty houses out of season not being rented out. But that is less to do with tourism than socialism in Spain. Another thing to blame Franco for, letting socialism back in by dying!"
Very true.
Long term rentals are very affordable but only when you can find one.
The Spanish tenancy laws and sclerotic legal system are so skewed in favour of the tenant that hardly anyone wants to let a property long term.
We have two holiday let property's that we are now selling (one already sold) simply because we are getting a bit too old to effectively manage them. We've had countless enquiries about long term let but wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
I'll just relate one story, of dozens that we know of, that happened to a lady that we know here.
In 2019 she let her furnished house to someone. In the contract it specifically stated no pets. After a week or so the tenant moved his seven dogs into the house and after three months stopped paying rent.
Because the owner (stupidly) kept the electric and water bills in her name she was now responsible for payment along with tax and community fees. The tenant was now paying nothing.
To cut a very long story short, she started legal proceedings in late 2019 just before Covid struck (to be fair that didn't help) and she eventually got her (completely trashed) property back around 3 months ago. All told she reckons that she is well over 30 grand out of pocket. And that doesn't include the stress and heartache she suffered for over 3 years.
That is just one story from dozens that we know of. Then there is the squatter problem here which is another story altogether.
Before the Spanish start blaming tourists they need to get their (legal) house in order. |
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I have lived in Spain for 16 years and have never heard a Spanish person called a Brit a "limey" they use a completely different term
Gibraltarians do call Brits Lemons though |
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"If you read the Spanish news these protesters where they do have a point that there are few long term rentals available for them to rent so that they can work in the tourist areas have little to no backing from the majority of the locals who have kicked off massively to the point that some of the original demonstrators have been targeted with threats and violence. These protesters are on par with Just stop oil idiots ( their message might be valid but going the wrong way about it!)
Spain is building up for a massive economical crash, same pattern emerging as the last crash. House sales have slumped, small businesses and small business chains are starting to collapse. Town halls cutting back on essential services. This IT black out has done a number of the travel companies as many flights had to be cancelled and re booked at the cost of the companies.
Brace yourselves it’s going to get bumpy from now onwards! "
I can't speak for Costa del Sol but here on the Costa Blanca property sales (and prices) are still forging ahead.
We've just sold one house for almost double what we paid for it 9 years ago and that was in less than a week of putting it on the market.
New builds are still selling for (in my opinion) crazy money and building work is still moving forward, albeit not at the levels of the early 2000's.
The Spanish property market will crash again, it always does, but not just yet. |
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"I have lived in Spain for 16 years and have never heard a Spanish person called a Brit a "limey" they use a completely different term
Gibraltarians do call Brits Lemons though "
I've never heard that word used here either.
To the best of my knowledge it is/was and American term for Brits popular during WW2. |
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By *essysteveCouple 22 weeks ago
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why are people going on about demonstrations, we have seen nothing in the Costa Blanca area yet we see on the UK news, demonstrations, riots, shootings, stabbing etc - I know where I would rather live
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"This is exactly my point.
Overtourism is a massive problem in the resorts. People are angry and rightly so.
I mean... seriously.. a place called "Playa del Inglés"? Ffs. Go home, fat limey, that's what they're saying."
Or a chain of department stores called "Il Corte Ingles"...................Sigh
Imagine calling your biggest department shops after a how well dressed Englishmen are. And now they are just Fat Limeys (Limeys? not heard that outside of American and certainly not since Franco died.) How times change eh? The English Cut. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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"Rental laws in Spain do not encourage long term rent of property, so lots of short term holiday lets. Long term lets remain very affordable around here just hard to come by. There are loads of empty houses out of season not being rented out. But that is less to do with tourism than socialism in Spain. Another thing to blame Franco for, letting socialism back in by dying!
Very true.
Long term rentals are very affordable but only when you can find one.
The Spanish tenancy laws and sclerotic legal system are so skewed in favour of the tenant that hardly anyone wants to let a property long term.
We have two holiday let property's that we are now selling (one already sold) simply because we are getting a bit too old to effectively manage them. We've had countless enquiries about long term let but wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
I'll just relate one story, of dozens that we know of, that happened to a lady that we know here.
In 2019 she let her furnished house to someone. In the contract it specifically stated no pets. After a week or so the tenant moved his seven dogs into the house and after three months stopped paying rent.
Because the owner (stupidly) kept the electric and water bills in her name she was now responsible for payment along with tax and community fees. The tenant was now paying nothing.
To cut a very long story short, she started legal proceedings in late 2019 just before Covid struck (to be fair that didn't help) and she eventually got her (completely trashed) property back around 3 months ago. All told she reckons that she is well over 30 grand out of pocket. And that doesn't include the stress and heartache she suffered for over 3 years.
That is just one story from dozens that we know of. Then there is the squatter problem here which is another story altogether.
Before the Spanish start blaming tourists they need to get their (legal) house in order."
The tiniest violin in the world is playing.
And I'd think twice before telling the Spanish government to " get their house in order", yours looks pretty messy from where we're standing. |
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Really??? Not a labour supporter but…. I think they just won a massive majority in this last election. Pedro Sanchez’s whom I actually do like had to negotiate with every small party going plus independents plus a man who was living abroad cause he had a warrant out for his arrest…. To remain in power…….Soooo yeah lets not throw political stones….. this is fabs… about raw connections the joy of enjoying ones sexual delights…. If wanted to talk about politics I would go GB news forums …. |
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This is Him not G as she is a Labour supporter!
"Really??? Not a labour supporter but…. I think they just won a massive majority in this last election. Pedro Sanchez’s whom I actually do like had to negotiate with every small party going plus independents plus a man who was living abroad cause he had a warrant out for his arrest…. To remain in power…….Soooo yeah lets not throw political stones….. this is fabs… about raw connections the joy of enjoying ones sexual delights…. If wanted to talk about politics I would go GB news forums …."
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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You know nothing about Spanish politics. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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https://www.uoc.edu/es/news/2018/164-turismo-libertino
You're not as welcome as you think. |
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Was raised in spain and did all my schooling in spain and my spanish education was heavily politically entwined. Seems like your having a bad day with your argument. But you do you |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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"Was raised in spain and did all my schooling in spain and my spanish education was heavily politically entwined. Seems like your having a bad day with your argument. But you do you "
So? Just because you were raised in Spain, doesn't give you the right to claim that overtourism, including swinger tours, are a good thing for the local community.
I'm not even sure if you're even Spanish. I am. And I still have family there. Lucky for them, our family is living in a pristine area blissfully free of those pestilential tourists (though I could have sworn hearing an English accent back when I was at home in 2016... and there are a few Germans.
But most of the visitors to our area are Spanish.
No self-respecting citizen would bother with those tourist hotshots anyway but I feel sorry for the locals.
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We get it you don't like "fat limey's" and we need to "go home" but is this really the place to voice your xenophobic opinions? I am sure there are plenty of other websites dedicated to this subject matter that would welcome you with open arms.
It's OK for people to disagree and give their opinions based on their valid experiences of living in the country you are referring to. What is not ok is for you to then come back and invalidate and belittle them because their experiences do not match up with your opinions. That is not what a healthy debate is about.
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By *slandloverMan 22 weeks ago
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I would like reminding the trouble is not tourist people. The real problem is the government policy doesn’t be able to manage that industry. The great owners’s agencies and hotels are spoiling the natural resources and exploiting to the workers. This is the only real problem. No xenofobics behavior please! |
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In the grand scheme of things the tourism will continue just think how many planes have landed since the post started and how many thousands are now unpacking cases and heading out to enjoy themselves. |
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By *oceyCouple 22 weeks ago
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Perhaps you should consider this: the actions of a few should never be taken as a reflection of the many.
I haven't stooped to insult you or your origins. Yet, you seem quite comfortable disparaging the British, painting us all with the same broad brush.
So, do us all a favor: rein in your sweeping generalisations and keep your prejudices to yourself. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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"Perhaps you should consider this: the actions of a few should never be taken as a reflection of the many.
I haven't stooped to insult you or your origins. Yet, you seem quite comfortable disparaging the British, painting us all with the same broad brush.
So, do us all a favor: rein in your sweeping generalisations and keep your prejudices to yourself."
Oh please. Rein in your glossy generalisations about how the locals feel about tourism and keep the ignorance to yourself. |
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Oh I am sorry that my "glossy generalisations" disturbed your perfected curated reality.
You are clearly the sole authority on the collective feelings of ALL locals about tourism
Please, do grace us with your unmatched wisdom and deep insights. I will just sit here utterly enlightened by your profound expertise
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Kind of whataboutery...the locals can be as unhappy as they want but without the tourism their towns and centres close it's that simple there is no other industry |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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"Oh I am sorry that my "glossy generalisations" disturbed your perfected curated reality.
You are clearly the sole authority on the collective feelings of ALL locals about tourism
Please, do grace us with your unmatched wisdom and deep insights. I will just sit here utterly enlightened by your profound expertise
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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"Kind of whataboutery...the locals can be as unhappy as they want but without the tourism their towns and centres close it's that simple there is no other industry "
Not true. |
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Only input he is allowed….. are you on the blob??? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 22 weeks ago
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"Only input he is allowed….. are you on the blob??? "
Sorry. No te entindo lo que dices. ¿Que quiere decor "on the blob"?
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By *slandloverMan 22 weeks ago
Playa del Ingles, Gran Canaria |
"Perhaps you should consider this: the actions of a few should never be taken as a reflection of the many.
I haven't stooped to insult you or your origins. Yet, you seem quite comfortable disparaging the British, painting us all with the same broad brush.
So, do us all a favor: rein in your sweeping generalisations and keep your prejudices to yourself.
Oh please. Rein in your glossy generalisations about how the locals feel about tourism and keep the ignorance to yourself. "
I am native and living in Canary Island all my life. I considerer most qualified for speaking about this. Really, I don’t know what lies you are beliving…. But the vast majority isn’t against tourist people but government policy.
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"Only input he is allowed….. are you on the blob???
Sorry. No te entindo lo que dices. ¿Que quiere decor "on the blob"?
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This is him! The Guiry(not limey) whom has spent his whole life in spain!
Sorry to school someone whom seems to like to tell everyone how things are but …
Do you mean.? (Proper spanish) ¿ No entiendo ese comentario? ¿Que quiere decir “on the blob”?
Google it!
How about you just be a nice person!!
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By *atEvolutionCouple 22 weeks ago
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"Locals in Barcelona, the Balearics and the Canary Islands are protesting overtourism.
I wonder how this will affect you lot. "
Was in Barcelona when they were protesting - didn't stop us getting there.
Was in Fuerteventura when they were protesting - didn't stop us getting there either.
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I live on the CDS and the only thing in play here is short term memory loss , harking back to
2019-20 and the debacle that was COVID and the lack of any tourists to fleece had them crying in droves about having no money , these fools need to be careful what they wish for . |
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By *den_GCCouple 22 weeks ago
San Fernando, Gran Canaria |
Just as a matter of interest...
How many people on this forum thread would like to move home every 11 months?
Because most of the rentals in PDI are now "seasonal" 3 to 11 months. This is due to changes in government regulations.
Would the people of the UK be happy to move home every 11 months? Let's hear your thoughts? |
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"Only input he is allowed….. are you on the blob???
Sorry. No te entindo lo que dices. ¿Que quiere decor "on the blob"?
This is him! The Guiry(not limey) whom has spent his whole life in spain!
Sorry to school someone whom seems to like to tell everyone how things are but …
Do you mean.? (Proper spanish) ¿ No entiendo ese comentario? ¿Que quiere decir “on the blob”?
Google it!
How about you just be a nice person!!
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I was thinking the same as you. Not very well written considering she's " supposed " to be Spanish. |
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By *azmanMan 22 weeks ago
Vera Playa |
Not just PDI. Look in vera playa too. Govt needs to sort it and I speak as an apt owner
"Just as a matter of interest...
How many people on this forum thread would like to move home every 11 months?
Because most of the rentals in PDI are now "seasonal" 3 to 11 months. This is due to changes in government regulations.
Would the people of the UK be happy to move home every 11 months? Let's hear your thoughts?"
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By *den_GCCouple 22 weeks ago
San Fernando, Gran Canaria |
Perhaps if we can focus on xenophobic issues in other countries we can pay less attention to problems at home where, for instance, a person lying defenceless on an airport floor is kicked in the head by someone paid to keep us safe.
"Big smoke! Big fire! And when the smoke clears there's no fire" - Cutting Crew |
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lying defenceless after braking a police womans nose and knocking two others officers to the floor, read the full facts. |
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By *den_GCCouple 22 weeks ago
San Fernando, Gran Canaria |
"lying defenceless after braking a police womans nose and knocking two others officers to the floor, read the full facts. "
The video shows him on the ground hand behind his back being kicked in the head. It then shows someone videoing the incident being peppersprayed. Then a man standing harmlessly against a wall is told to get on his knees. He complies and is nonetheless hit on the head with a taser.
I understand that this was precipitated by an altercation, however the actions shown in this video are still not self defence.
But let's not worry about that. Let's focus on the fact that Spanish locals appear to be against tourists provided the news is presented in a certain way.
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By *slandloverMan 22 weeks ago
Playa del Ingles, Gran Canaria |
Explaining better is Impossible. In Spain, Media works similarly about local issues. While the new are showing a lot of time of international news, national unemployment issues doesn’t appear almost.
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"lying defenceless after braking a police womans nose and knocking two others officers to the floor, read the full facts.
The video shows him on the ground hand behind his back being kicked in the head. It then shows someone videoing the incident being peppersprayed. Then a man standing harmlessly against a wall is told to get on his knees. He complies and is nonetheless hit on the head with a taser.
I understand that this was precipitated by an altercation, however the actions shown in this video are still not self defence.
But let's not worry about that. Let's focus on the fact that Spanish locals appear to be against tourists provided the news is presented in a certain way.
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If he had indeed broken a woman's nose.then a kick in the head should be coming his way. Pity it was a member of the police force though.
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By *den_GCCouple 22 weeks ago
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"lying defenceless after braking a police womans nose and knocking two others officers to the floor, read the full facts.
The video shows him on the ground hand behind his back being kicked in the head. It then shows someone videoing the incident being peppersprayed. Then a man standing harmlessly against a wall is told to get on his knees. He complies and is nonetheless hit on the head with a taser.
I understand that this was precipitated by an altercation, however the actions shown in this video are still not self defence.
But let's not worry about that. Let's focus on the fact that Spanish locals appear to be against tourists provided the news is presented in a certain way.
If he had indeed broken a woman's nose.then a kick in the head should be coming his way. Pity it was a member of the police force though.
However, maybe he'll think twice next time. "
The people arrested claim the fight was started by a male passenger pushing a trolley into their mother accompanied by a racial insult. So using the logic that it's OK to assault someone if they hurt a woman justifies the original altercation.
The people arrested also claim that the police struck their mother so does the same rule apply again?
There is mysteriously no footage of airport or body cams so we don't have the whole story. We don't know if the mother was assaulted by the male passenger, we don't know if the police assaulted the mother (despite them shoving her for no reason in the video). So we don't believe it.
We also have no footage of the police womans nose being broken but we will believe this.
I see on the political form people are waving the feminism flag about the police woman's broken nose. It is also relevant to note that GMP has been found guilty of sexual abuse against women (strip searches, denying them sanitary products etc).
Once again the sensationalist parts of the story are included and those that don't sell are left out.
People please come to the Canaries. Whether you are allowed into Spain is not in question. Getting out of a UK airport on the other hand....  |
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"lying defenceless after braking a police womans nose and knocking two others officers to the floor, read the full facts.
The video shows him on the ground hand behind his back being kicked in the head. It then shows someone videoing the incident being peppersprayed. Then a man standing harmlessly against a wall is told to get on his knees. He complies and is nonetheless hit on the head with a taser.
I understand that this was precipitated by an altercation, however the actions shown in this video are still not self defence.
But let's not worry about that. Let's focus on the fact that Spanish locals appear to be against tourists provided the news is presented in a certain way.
If he had indeed broken a woman's nose.then a kick in the head should be coming his way. Pity it was a member of the police force though.
However, maybe he'll think twice next time.
The people arrested claim the fight was started by a male passenger pushing a trolley into their mother accompanied by a racial insult. So using the logic that it's OK to assault someone if they hurt a woman justifies the original altercation.
The people arrested also claim that the police struck their mother so does the same rule apply again?
There is mysteriously no footage of airport or body cams so we don't have the whole story. We don't know if the mother was assaulted by the male passenger, we don't know if the police assaulted the mother (despite them shoving her for no reason in the video). So we don't believe it.
We also have no footage of the police womans nose being broken but we will believe this.
I see on the political form people are waving the feminism flag about the police woman's broken nose. It is also relevant to note that GMP has been found guilty of sexual abuse against women (strip searches, denying them sanitary products etc).
Once again the sensationalist parts of the story are included and those that don't sell are left out.
People please come to the Canaries. Whether you are allowed into Spain is not in question. Getting out of a UK airport on the other hand.... "
Spanish police have higher standards and a better track record then ?
And I said " if " he'd did what was claimed, not that he had. The whole story isn't known by you or I ATM.
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By *den_GCCouple 22 weeks ago
San Fernando, Gran Canaria |
"lying defenceless after braking a police womans nose and knocking two others officers to the floor, read the full facts.
The video shows him on the ground hand behind his back being kicked in the head. It then shows someone videoing the incident being peppersprayed. Then a man standing harmlessly against a wall is told to get on his knees. He complies and is nonetheless hit on the head with a taser.
I understand that this was precipitated by an altercation, however the actions shown in this video are still not self defence.
But let's not worry about that. Let's focus on the fact that Spanish locals appear to be against tourists provided the news is presented in a certain way.
If he had indeed broken a woman's nose.then a kick in the head should be coming his way. Pity it was a member of the police force though.
However, maybe he'll think twice next time.
The people arrested claim the fight was started by a male passenger pushing a trolley into their mother accompanied by a racial insult. So using the logic that it's OK to assault someone if they hurt a woman justifies the original altercation.
The people arrested also claim that the police struck their mother so does the same rule apply again?
There is mysteriously no footage of airport or body cams so we don't have the whole story. We don't know if the mother was assaulted by the male passenger, we don't know if the police assaulted the mother (despite them shoving her for no reason in the video). So we don't believe it.
We also have no footage of the police womans nose being broken but we will believe this.
I see on the political form people are waving the feminism flag about the police woman's broken nose. It is also relevant to note that GMP has been found guilty of sexual abuse against women (strip searches, denying them sanitary products etc).
Once again the sensationalist parts of the story are included and those that don't sell are left out.
People please come to the Canaries. Whether you are allowed into Spain is not in question. Getting out of a UK airport on the other hand....
Spanish police have higher standards and a better track record then ?
And I said " if " he'd did what was claimed, not that he had. The whole story isn't known by you or I ATM.
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So far as I am aware the Spanish police have a terrible reputation and track record. How does that change anything?
Yes I agree. We don't know what started the altercation between the police and the passengers and we also don't know what happened on the flight to trigger events. We will probably never know since modern standards of journalism have reduced reporting to fiction writing.
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