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By *parkybunny OP Couple
over a year ago
Zurich. NOT London. |
It seems they changed their minds again...
"According to the Transport Secretary, vaccine certificates could allow for international holidays to take place one again. Grant Shapps announced earlier today (February 10) that discussions of an international system that would allow vaccinated individuals to travel freely have already begun. These talks have also extended to other governments including the United States, Singapore, and the United Nations, which could result in a universal ‘certificate’ that confirms your vaccination history." |
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By *cuk1999Man
over a year ago
Canary Islands |
I still feel this is odd ...anyone who has done any real traveling (not magaluf for a week in summer) has had to have vaccinations to enter certain countries... I did a year off traveling around the world (32 countries in 12 month period... South east Asia and South america) for quite a few countries I had to show in date vacations for things an Englishman just doesn't get on the NHS..so I can't see any issue with having to show a proof of covid-19 vacation? |
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"I still feel this is odd ...anyone who has done any real traveling (not magaluf for a week in summer) has had to have vaccinations to enter certain countries... I did a year off traveling around the world (32 countries in 12 month period... South east Asia and South america) for quite a few countries I had to show in date vacations for things an Englishman just doesn't get on the NHS..so I can't see any issue with having to show a proof of covid-19 vacation? "
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By *parkybunny OP Couple
over a year ago
Zurich. NOT London. |
"I still feel this is odd ...anyone who has done any real traveling (not magaluf for a week in summer) has had to have vaccinations to enter certain countries... I did a year off traveling around the world (32 countries in 12 month period... South east Asia and South america) for quite a few countries I had to show in date vacations for things an Englishman just doesn't get on the NHS..so I can't see any issue with having to show a proof of covid-19 vacation? "
I think I still have one of my old vaccination booklets somewhere. Vaccinations to travel is nothing new, I'm happy it's a way to move forwards. |
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As one post said about showing vaccination dates etc, I’ve done it and have no problems with it, for how advanced passports are now, I can’t see why it can’t be put in the chip in yr passport ... more than likely be cheaper and more successful than the track and trace |
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"Then every year they what to give you another Needle to keep it updated , if your paper work is not up to date ,you cant travel, ITS BOLLOCKS , "
Surely that won't be a problem if you plan well in advance, it will be the same as getting travel insurance or getting a Passport.
You have to have a car MOT and Insured every year so whats the difference?
And I would think most people would be much happier with everyone already vaccinated on the same plane, hotel, club etc as they are! |
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By *ed14Couple
over a year ago
Yorkshire |
"I still feel this is odd ...anyone who has done any real traveling (not magaluf for a week in summer) has had to have vaccinations to enter certain countries... I did a year off traveling around the world (32 countries in 12 month period... South east Asia and South america) for quite a few countries I had to show in date vacations for things an Englishman just doesn't get on the NHS..so I can't see any issue with having to show a proof of covid-19 vacation? "
While I agree with what you are saying, the vaccines you have had before stop you catching the viruses, the vaccine for covid does not stop you catching or spreading covid, you just get a lesser reaction to the virus if your lucky, so therefore the only benefit of having the covid vaccine is for your own health, so not having it or having it makes no difference to anyone else. What I can see happening is that if you haven’t had the vaccine and you catch covid your insurance won’t pay out for any medical treatment you need. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Tough one, like above the jab won’t stop you spreading COVID , so no difference to someone who hasn’t had the jab , so why the need to have a jab before travel ? And I’m pro jab |
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By *our LamourCouple
over a year ago
'near that London' |
"I still feel this is odd ...anyone who has done any real traveling (not magaluf for a week in summer) has had to have vaccinations to enter certain countries... I did a year off traveling around the world (32 countries in 12 month period... South east Asia and South america) for quite a few countries I had to show in date vacations for things an Englishman just doesn't get on the NHS..so I can't see any issue with having to show a proof of covid-19 vacation?
While I agree with what you are saying, the vaccines you have had before stop you catching the viruses, the vaccine for covid does not stop you catching or spreading covid, you just get a lesser reaction to the virus if your lucky, so therefore the only benefit of having the covid vaccine is for your own health, so not having it or having it makes no difference to anyone else. What I can see happening is that if you haven’t had the vaccine and you catch covid your insurance won’t pay out for any medical treatment you need."
In the real world once people have had the vaccine and its established that it’s as effective as the flu jab, watch out all those who haven’t taken it as the vast majority of the population will be going OUT OUT ! |
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"The flu jab is on average 40% effective. It varies each year. "
Indeed as with most virus as they all mutate, hence a yearly protection. For some catching it they will have extreme reactions for some they wont. As has been said tough its likely if you dont have it then insurance wont cover your medical bills. |
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By *den_GCCouple
over a year ago
San Fernando, Gran Canaria |
"Tough one, like above the jab won’t stop you spreading COVID , so no difference to someone who hasn’t had the jab , so why the need to have a jab before travel ? And I’m pro jab "
Our understanding of this debate is that whether the vaccination stopped spread was never tested in trials so for safety's sake it had to be presumed that it didn't. But the absence of proof of a concept does not make it's converse automatically true. It was just unknown.
I say was because there have now been trials which show a relatively high degree of prevention of transmission. There are threads discussing this on the virus forum.
Since the vaccine works by fooling the body into an immune response, obviously the effectiveness of the vaccine is not apparent from day one.
Just my understanding, so interested if anyone has come across recent studies to the contrary? |
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By *den_GCCouple
over a year ago
San Fernando, Gran Canaria |
"I still feel this is odd ...anyone who has done any real traveling (not magaluf for a week in summer) has had to have vaccinations to enter certain countries... I did a year off traveling around the world (32 countries in 12 month period... South east Asia and South america) for quite a few countries I had to show in date vacations for things an Englishman just doesn't get on the NHS..so I can't see any issue with having to show a proof of covid-19 vacation?
While I agree with what you are saying, the vaccines you have had before stop you catching the viruses, the vaccine for covid does not stop you catching or spreading covid, you just get a lesser reaction to the virus if your lucky, so therefore the only benefit of having the covid vaccine is for your own health, so not having it or having it makes no difference to anyone else. What I can see happening is that if you haven’t had the vaccine and you catch covid your insurance won’t pay out for any medical treatment you need.
In the real world once people have had the vaccine and its established that it’s as effective as the flu jab, watch out all those who haven’t taken it as the vast majority of the population will be going OUT OUT ! "
You are right, a huge factor is going to be that since we're starting with the aged, they aren't the bulk of holidaymakers.
Converesly though, they are addressing the demographic with the highest mortality rates so we might see the mortality figures come right down once the over 50s have all been vaccinated.
Rewinding back 12 months the only problem with herd immunity was the unacceptablly high mortality rate... |
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By *athy1Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"I didnt think it was confirmed either way whether you can still transmit covid after vaccination. I think it might be that you cant carry it but I'm not an expert unlike everyone else
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Couldn’t agree more with you it’s tedious same old stuff
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By *den_GCCouple
over a year ago
San Fernando, Gran Canaria |
"COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca confirms 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death in the primary analysis of Phase III trials"
"3 February 2021 07:00 GMT
Increased efficacy with longer inter-dose interval
Protection of over 70% starting after a first dose
First indication of reduction in disease transmission of up to 67%"
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By *den_GCCouple
over a year ago
San Fernando, Gran Canaria |
"I didnt think it was confirmed either way whether you can still transmit covid after vaccination. I think it might be that you cant carry it but I'm not an expert unlike everyone else
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I'm not following your argument.
Are you saying that anyone who posts an opinion on something is automatically claiming to be an expert?
Or are you saying you have to be an expert to air an opinion? |
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By *den_GCCouple
over a year ago
San Fernando, Gran Canaria |
"I didnt think it was confirmed either way whether you can still transmit covid after vaccination. I think it might be that you cant carry it but I'm not an expert unlike everyone else
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Our post was in response to the comment "the vaccine for covid does not stop you catching or spreading covid". You saying that it hasn't been confirmed either way, likewise challenges the veracity of the original statement. ??
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By *parkybunny OP Couple
over a year ago
Zurich. NOT London. |
""COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca confirms 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death in the primary analysis of Phase III trials"
"3 February 2021 07:00 GMT
Increased efficacy with longer inter-dose interval
Protection of over 70% starting after a first dose
First indication of reduction in disease transmission of up to 67%"
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exactly Eden, we are getting more information as the scientific evidence allows. As stated AstraZeneca have confirmed that the vaccine reduces the Viral load, thereby reducing the spread. Good news.
"Last week, Oxford/AstraZeneca unveiled a preliminary analysis from patients that hinted that one dose of their vaccine could cut transmission of the virus by up to 67%, on the basis of a reduction in viral load." |
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To force people to have a jab so they can travel or work is disgraceful. I'm not anti vax but this is the thin end of the wedge. Governments are going to try and make it much harder and expensive for the average person to travel. If this goes through then what other things will they make us do. Worrying times |
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By *den_GCCouple
over a year ago
San Fernando, Gran Canaria |
""COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca confirms 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death in the primary analysis of Phase III trials"
"3 February 2021 07:00 GMT
Increased efficacy with longer inter-dose interval
Protection of over 70% starting after a first dose
First indication of reduction in disease transmission of up to 67%"
exactly Eden, we are getting more information as the scientific evidence allows. As stated AstraZeneca have confirmed that the vaccine reduces the Viral load, thereby reducing the spread. Good news.
"Last week, Oxford/AstraZeneca unveiled a preliminary analysis from patients that hinted that one dose of their vaccine could cut transmission of the virus by up to 67%, on the basis of a reduction in viral load.""
Thank you. We see it as great news that there is a component of prevention of transmission because this brings herd immunity back into the equation and herd immunity is the only viable exit strategy. |
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"To force people to have a jab so they can travel or work is disgraceful. I'm not anti vax but this is the thin end of the wedge. Governments are going to try and make it much harder and expensive for the average person to travel. If this goes through then what other things will they make us do. Worrying times"
Forcing people to vaccinate before travel has been around for longer than most of us have been alive. A smallpox ‘vaccination passport’ was introduced in 1944. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"To force people to have a jab so they can travel or work is disgraceful. I'm not anti vax but this is the thin end of the wedge. Governments are going to try and make it much harder and expensive for the average person to travel. If this goes through then what other things will they make us do. Worrying times
Forcing people to vaccinate before travel has been around for longer than most of us have been alive. A smallpox ‘vaccination passport’ was introduced in 1944."
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By *parkybunny OP Couple
over a year ago
Zurich. NOT London. |
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Forcing people to vaccinate before travel has been around for longer than most of us have been alive. A smallpox ‘vaccination passport’ was introduced in 1944."
I have a vaccine booklet showing what vaccines I've had to enable me to travel previously, I don't see this one as any different. It is entirely your choice whether you vaccinate or not. In the same ways a country can choose not to allow you to travel to it if you don't. It's all about choice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Forcing people to vaccinate before travel has been around for longer than most of us have been alive. A smallpox ‘vaccination passport’ was introduced in 1944.
I have a vaccine booklet showing what vaccines I've had to enable me to travel previously, I don't see this one as any different. It is entirely your choice whether you vaccinate or not. In the same ways a country can choose not to allow you to travel to it if you don't. It's all about choice."
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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago
sandwell |
"To force people to have a jab so they can travel or work is disgraceful. I'm not anti vax but ..........."
Could not disagree more. No one is 'forcing' anyone to do anything.
Don't want the jab? Then don't have it.
Nobody forces anyone to go abroad for a holiday.
As to increasing cost of travel ....last time I checked, a covid jab was free. |
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Travelling abroad is not always for a holiday. There are many reasons why some people should not have the vaccination, children and young people in particular.
Like I said it's the thin end of the wedge, governments are using this to get increasingly authoritarian and will force people into other injections year after year now. Just watch. And if you think the cost of travel will be the same or similar as we have been used to then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Due to this net zero nonsense it will soon be the preserve of the rich.
Watch and see, it saddens me to read comments on here and see how authoritarian people are becoming and how ignorant they are in respect of losing their freedoms and rights. Not what I expect really from an open minded community |
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"Travelling abroad is not always for a holiday. There are many reasons why some people should not have the vaccination, children and young people in particular.
Like I said it's the thin end of the wedge, governments are using this to get increasingly authoritarian and will force people into other injections year after year now. Just watch. And if you think the cost of travel will be the same or similar as we have been used to then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Due to this net zero nonsense it will soon be the preserve of the rich.
Watch and see, it saddens me to read comments on here and see how authoritarian people are becoming and how ignorant they are in respect of losing their freedoms and rights. Not what I expect really from an open minded community "
Like I said earlier though governments aren’t’getting increasingly authoritarian’ these type of restrictions have been around for years. As for freedoms and rights what about the majority of people here and abroad who have had the vaccine to protect themselves and others? Don’t they have the right to travel safely or to know that visitors to their country aren’t going to increase infection levels/ put a strain on their healthcare. No one is forcing you to have a vaccination, as with everything else in life doing or not doing something has consequences which we have to live with. This is no different to any other laws/rules we have to live with.
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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago
sandwell |
"Travelling abroad is not always for a holiday. There are many reasons why some people should not have the vaccination, children and young people in particular."
"should not" and "Will not" are two totally separate things.
"Like I said it's the thin end of the wedge, governments are using this to get increasingly authoritarian and will force people into other injections year after year now. Just watch."
Nobody is forcing any one to get a vaccination. People have chosen not to get their child vaccinated against mumps for instance. Which probably accounts for the number of mumps cases more than doubling in the past 12 months but that is by the by.
"And if you think the cost of travel will be the same or similar as we have been used to then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Due to this net zero nonsense it will soon be the preserve of the rich. "
nothing to do with covid/vaccines so irrelevant.
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By *e CapCouple
over a year ago
Basingstoke |
If they introduce Vaccine Passport then expect majority of travellers from Africa and South America . There will be 10 passports for every vaccine inoculated on the continent. All travelling with passport and brand new COVID strains??. |
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