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Never yet made it to any of the clubs because as a Single male (especially one over 45) I feel it turns what I would hope would be a fun experience into a sleezy or even disappointing one. As a single male its expensive anyway and then there's the sitting/standing around hoping some lady will speak to you never mind get into some horizontal jogging together. I'm not shy but I am not pushy either and I have attended party's and played with ladies there.
So Am I wrong in my assumption about clubs and the single male or should I hope to find a lady to attend with and see how it goes, or the final option s to keep chatting here and attending the occasional party? |
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By *mmixtapeCouple
over a year ago
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The reason in my opinion that single guys don't get attention in clubs is because the cute single guys don't out themselves out there. They expect you to go up to them etc etc, which is all fine, but I'm so awkward with it. I would have fucked so many more single guys if they had introduced themselves. In clubs I am specifically looking for single guys, so you're in with a shot, you just have to put yourself out there |
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If it wasn't for single guys i wouldn't be going to clubs. Just a bit wary now though, since it happened a few times just a friendly chat leads to someone whipping his cock out expecting me to go for it. So I'm not that quick chatting to guys anymore - unless I actually fancy them x |
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"Never yet made it to any of the clubs because as a Single male (especially one over 45) I feel it turns what I would hope would be a fun experience into a sleezy or even disappointing one. As a single male its expensive anyway and then there's the sitting/standing around hoping some lady will speak to you never mind get into some horizontal jogging together. I'm not shy but I am not pushy either and I have attended party's and played with ladies there.
So Am I wrong in my assumption about clubs and the single male or should I hope to find a lady to attend with and see how it goes, or the final option s to keep chatting here and attending the occasional party?"
Absolutely wrong. The average age of single guys we play with are between 40 and 60.
It would only be sleazy if you make sleazy. Following around women an couples with you cock in your hand wont do you any favours.
As for interaction I would prefer someone who made the effort to come and speak to us rather than sit and stare hoping we talk to them.
As for the price the average is £30 for single men. I've easily spent more than that on a night out drinking with the girls.
And to finish, it will be very difficult to find a single female to attend a club with as it brings in all sorts of complications.
Look at it the same as any bar. Forget the sex element. Go have a chat, socialise and if anything else happens it's a bonus.  |
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over a year ago
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Depends on your idea of expense, if you go to any pub or club on a weekend you can easily spend as much if not more than at a swinger club where you bring your own bottle, if you are driving maybe not so much buying soft drinks but if you were driving and chatting up women or men would you not also be buying them a drink too? But if you want to get a guaranteed shag go pay for a pro and spend a bit more money and not have the social/night out aspect, and then there's the where do you fuck the pro? In house calls are not that cheap and hotels aren't either!
There's always the dating apps as well. If you want a quick hook up etc but if you're only in here looking for a guaranteed shag you're probably not managing to score elsewhere |
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"Depends on your idea of expense, if you go to any pub or club on a weekend you can easily spend as much if not more than at a swinger club where you bring your own bottle, if you are driving maybe not so much buying soft drinks but if you were driving and chatting up women or men would you not also be buying them a drink too? But if you want to get a guaranteed shag go pay for a pro and spend a bit more money and not have the social/night out aspect, and then there's the where do you fuck the pro? In house calls are not that cheap and hotels aren't either!
There's always the dating apps as well. If you want a quick hook up etc but if you're only in here looking for a guaranteed shag you're probably not managing to score elsewhere "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Get along to one of the social nights on a saturday. Dont drive, get d*unk, make a tit of yourself and you'll make plenty of friends. Well that's what works for me. oh, and definitely dont stand in the corner by yourself waiting for someone to chat to you.. you'll look like a creepy weirdo. You're welcome. |
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"Depends on your idea of expense, if you go to any pub or club on a weekend you can easily spend as much if not more than at a swinger club where you bring your own bottle, if you are driving maybe not so much buying soft drinks but if you were driving and chatting up women or men would you not also be buying them a drink too? But if you want to get a guaranteed shag go pay for a pro and spend a bit more money and not have the social/night out aspect, and then there's the where do you fuck the pro? In house calls are not that cheap and hotels aren't either!
There's always the dating apps as well. If you want a quick hook up etc but if you're only in here looking for a guaranteed shag you're probably not managing to score elsewhere
Don't think OP mentioned expecting a shag "
I meant to quote the one who said it was expensive, and why else would certain men wanna go(cause they think its easy) or avoid it(cause they know even easy girls have standards) lol
On eof those moods lol |
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"Get along to one of the social nights on a saturday. Dont drive, get d*unk, make a tit of yourself and you'll make plenty of friends. Well that's what works for me. oh, and definitely dont stand in the corner by yourself waiting for someone to chat to you.. you'll look like a creepy weirdo. You're welcome. "
You don't even need to stand in the corner lol |
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"Depends on your idea of expense, if you go to any pub or club on a weekend you can easily spend as much if not more than at a swinger club where you bring your own bottle, if you are driving maybe not so much buying soft drinks but if you were driving and chatting up women or men would you not also be buying them a drink too? But if you want to get a guaranteed shag go pay for a pro and spend a bit more money and not have the social/night out aspect, and then there's the where do you fuck the pro? In house calls are not that cheap and hotels aren't either!
There's always the dating apps as well. If you want a quick hook up etc but if you're only in here looking for a guaranteed shag you're probably not managing to score elsewhere "
Thanks for the input. I'd never go anywhere expecting a shag if that's all I was looking for then there are as you point out other options. I have attended a few socials but the often occur when I am working or are too far away so again not expecting anything. If I came across as desperate then I apologise it's not me. I was trying to avoid being one of those silent wall flowers referred to in the thread who creep people out hence why I asked the question. |
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As for the price the average is £30 for single men
i dont know what clubs you have been to but try and triple the amount for single guys
as ive seen it at £80 at some clubs"
Never seen a UK club listed on fab charge £80 for single guy entry.
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Just out of interest I checked out the prices, for After 8 in Edinburgh its £35 membership and £35 entry fee this Friday/Saturday other nights are as low as £15 with no membership required. CJ's don't list prices on their webpage but I would assume they are similar.
SO for clarity this thread was never about the price or any expectations for what would occur in any club. It was to clarify what is to expect as a first time single (older) male who would most likely not know anyone in the club.
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By *eefdoddusCouple
over a year ago
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"Just out of interest I checked out the prices, for After 8 in Edinburgh its £35 membership and £35 entry fee this Friday/Saturday other nights are as low as £15 with no membership required. CJ's don't list prices on their webpage but I would assume they are similar.
SO for clarity this thread was never about the price or any expectations for what would occur in any club. It was to clarify what is to expect as a first time single (older) male who would most likely not know anyone in the club.
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Completely understand how you're feeling about attending a club on your own. You'll possibly find the majority of people will have been nervous and apprehensive about their first visit too. We certainly were and were in our 40's when we went to a club the first time.
As far as age is concerned, we're both nearly 60 now and can generally find a playmate for mrs Deef without too much of a problem. At 45 you're a "younger" guy to us and would be most welcome to come and say hello and have a chat.
I'd say younger folks are usually in the majority but older couples, ladies and gents are still there nonetheless and long may it be so.
You're a long time deed..! Take a chance. You never know. |
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I've tried a few clubs as a single guy and as long as you're respectful of others it's a good night out. I think the problem is that some guys go into it assuming everyone is their just for a full on orgy. I approach it as more a place to meet socially and show you're genuine. Then if anything does happen it's a bonus
Also I do think it's slightly overpriced for single guys but it is what it is I suppose. |
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By *mmixtapeCouple
over a year ago
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"Just out of interest I checked out the prices, for After 8 in Edinburgh its £35 membership and £35 entry fee this Friday/Saturday other nights are as low as £15 with no membership required. CJ's don't list prices on their webpage but I would assume they are similar.
SO for clarity this thread was never about the price or any expectations for what would occur in any club. It was to clarify what is to expect as a first time single (older) male who would most likely not know anyone in the club.
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In my original reply I never mentioned age, regardless of age single guys need to put themselves out there.. depending on the night cjs is £40 for a single guy, no membership |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Get along to one of the social nights on a saturday. Dont drive, get d*unk, make a tit of yourself and you'll make plenty of friends. Well that's what works for me. oh, and definitely dont stand in the corner by yourself waiting for someone to chat to you.. you'll look like a creepy weirdo. You're welcome.
You don't even need to stand in the corner lol "
na. I'm the guy laying on the floor looking like a weirdo.. after falling down all the stairs d*unk. lol. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I now and again venture to a few clubs in here and down south as a single guy, its hard to generally approach a single female unless you know them. I speak to anyone that wants to speak, I never expect anything |
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"Just out of interest I checked out the prices, for After 8 in Edinburgh its £35 membership and £35 entry fee this Friday/Saturday other nights are as low as £15 with no membership required. CJ's don't list prices on their webpage but I would assume they are similar.
SO for clarity this thread was never about the price or any expectations for what would occur in any club. It was to clarify what is to expect as a first time single (older) male who would most likely not know anyone in the club.
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You don't have to get a membership in after 8 you can go and try it for a price for one night to see if you like it then if you want to go back and join it's a year membership and fee for that night only |
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As for the price the average is £30 for single men
i dont know what clubs you have been to but try and triple the amount for single guys
as ive seen it at £80 at some clubs
Never seen a UK club listed on fab charge £80 for single guy entry.
Chameleons is £80 in darlston for single guys
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As for the price the average is £30 for single men
i dont know what clubs you have been to but try and triple the amount for single guys
as ive seen it at £80 at some clubs
Never seen a UK club listed on fab charge £80 for single guy entry.
Chameleons is £80 in darlston for single guys
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£80 is for annual membership for single guys.
If you are a regular user of the club that's not a bad deal. |
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As for the price the average is £30 for single men
i dont know what clubs you have been to but try and triple the amount for single guys
as ive seen it at £80 at some clubs
Never seen a UK club listed on fab charge £80 for single guy entry.
Chameleons is £80 in darlston for single guys
£80 is for annual membership for single guys.
If you are a regular user of the club that's not a bad deal."
then you have the £50 entry on the night
ok i miss read the £80 bit but it is still a rip off when single females are £10 and couples are£25 .What happened to equal discrimination lol
but one club did charge heavy is partners as the last time i was down there as a couple a group of guys from Ireland got shafted £35 membership and £50 entry
At the end of the day no matter what the price nothing is a guarantee that you will have a good night as you only get out of it what you put in |
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As for the price the average is £30 for single men
i dont know what clubs you have been to but try and triple the amount for single guys
as ive seen it at £80 at some clubs
Never seen a UK club listed on fab charge £80 for single guy entry.
Chameleons is £80 in darlston for single guys
£80 is for annual membership for single guys.
If you are a regular user of the club that's not a bad deal.
then you have the £50 entry on the night
ok i miss read the £80 bit but it is still a rip off when single females are £10 and couples are£25 .What happened to equal discrimination lol
but one club did charge heavy is partners as the last time i was down there as a couple a group of guys from Ireland got shafted £35 membership and £50 entry
At the end of the day no matter what the price nothing is a guarantee that you will have a good night as you only get out of it what you put in "
That's it and if single guys are willing to pay those prices the entry fee for single guys will always be grossly inflated. |
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over a year ago
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As for the price the average is £30 for single men
i dont know what clubs you have been to but try and triple the amount for single guys
as ive seen it at £80 at some clubs
Never seen a UK club listed on fab charge £80 for single guy entry.
Chameleons is £80 in darlston for single guys
£80 is for annual membership for single guys.
If you are a regular user of the club that's not a bad deal.
then you have the £50 entry on the night
ok i miss read the £80 bit but it is still a rip off when single females are £10 and couples are£25 .What happened to equal discrimination lol
but one club did charge heavy is partners as the last time i was down there as a couple a group of guys from Ireland got shafted £35 membership and £50 entry
At the end of the day no matter what the price nothing is a guarantee that you will have a good night as you only get out of it what you put in
That's it and if single guys are willing to pay those prices the entry fee for single guys will always be grossly inflated."
hence the reason why I dont do clubs |
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As for the price the average is £30 for single men
i dont know what clubs you have been to but try and triple the amount for single guys
as ive seen it at £80 at some clubs
Never seen a UK club listed on fab charge £80 for single guy entry.
Chameleons is £80 in darlston for single guys
£80 is for annual membership for single guys.
If you are a regular user of the club that's not a bad deal.
then you have the £50 entry on the night
ok i miss read the £80 bit but it is still a rip off when single females are £10 and couples are£25 .What happened to equal discrimination lol
but one club did charge heavy is partners as the last time i was down there as a couple a group of guys from Ireland got shafted £35 membership and £50 entry
At the end of the day no matter what the price nothing is a guarantee that you will have a good night as you only get out of it what you put in
That's it and if single guys are willing to pay those prices the entry fee for single guys will always be grossly inflated.hence the reason why I dont do clubs "
On the other side of that alot of couples and single females prefer to play in clubs.
Safe environment and surroundings, selection of potential partners under the same roof and a more relaxed atmosphere.
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"Who wants a club full of single men though that's why a lot of clubs charge less for women and couple's "
And this comment says it all. It's a deterrent.
If it was £10 to get in it would be a guaranteed sausage fest which would deter most couples and single females. |
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"Who wants a club full of single men though that's why a lot of clubs charge less for women and couple's "
no they charge less to get tempt cash cows you can restrict numbers of single guys or any group you like. Here's an exercise for you reverse the roles and tell me it's not sexual discrimination  |
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"Who wants a club full of single men though that's why a lot of clubs charge less for women and couple's no they charge less to get tempt cash cows you can restrict numbers of single guys or any group you like. Here's an exercise for you reverse the roles and tell me it's not sexual discrimination "
I never said anything about sexual discrimination I don't know if it is or isn't I was just stating what I know |
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"Who wants a club full of single men though that's why a lot of clubs charge less for women and couple's no they charge less to get tempt cash cows you can restrict numbers of single guys or any group you like. Here's an exercise for you reverse the roles and tell me it's not sexual discrimination I never said anything about sexual discrimination I don't know if it is or isn't I was just stating what I know "
you did say that's why they charge less for woman and cpls so it's not a club full of single guys the cost has nothing to do with numbers and everything to do with persecution of a specific gender as I've said if the role was reversed there |
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It was not meant to come across that way kola we all know you don't like clubs I was nearly saying that people that attend them wouldn't go if they were full of males and also many prefer to play in clubs as it's a safer place for them |
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"It was not meant to come across that way kola we all know you don't like clubs I was nearly saying that people that attend them wouldn't go if they were full of males and also many prefer to play in clubs as it's a safer place for them"
its not that I dislike clubs more that I abhor sexual discrimination and those who enable it.
My post isn't to get at you more just to point out the errors imo |
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Heres the thing single men are more likely than woman to get too d*unk and start anything whether it be groping, touching, getting in personal space and being chucked out and barred so the higher the price to get in less chance of guys acting in this way or they end up barred and wasting money, its just how it is.
As club owners im sure they will have come across this on many many occassions to make the pricing how it is and by looks of it all clubs are same with entry prices. If your genuine you'll pay the price.
Its not fair to all its just though. |
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"Heres the thing single men are more likely than woman to get too d*unk and start anything whether it be groping, touching, getting in personal space and being chucked out and barred so the higher the price to get in less chance of guys acting in this way or they end up barred and wasting money, its just how it is. No it's just what's accepted I also dont agree with your generalisation that men are worse d*unks or extra touchy feely as I've came across many plastered fems and fems who believe it's ok to have a grope lift a kilt so on so fourth. So as long as you have deep pockets your a better person c'mon that's too easy to pick apart.
As club owners im sure they will have come across this on many many occassions to make the pricing how it is and by looks of it all clubs are same with entry prices. If your genuine you'll pay the price.
It's very similar to nightclubs the main difference I see is who would report it and go to court with it....yes your honour I was sexually discriminated against when I tried to gain entry to a sex club. Again deep pockets dont make you genuine clubs do it because they can at the moment it's not the same story worldwide
Its not fair to all its just though. "
things will stay the same as long as its supported what folk should do is reverse the roles ie fems or cpls pay 4..5 times the amount of single guys I'm sure your view would change |
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"Heres the thing single men are more likely than woman to get too d*unk and start anything whether it be groping, touching, getting in personal space and being chucked out and barred so the higher the price to get in less chance of guys acting in this way or they end up barred and wasting money, its just how it is. No it's just what's accepted I also dont agree with your generalisation that men are worse d*unks or extra touchy feely as I've came across many plastered fems and fems who believe it's ok to have a grope lift a kilt so on so fourth. So as long as you have deep pockets your a better person c'mon that's too easy to pick apart.
As club owners im sure they will have come across this on many many occassions to make the pricing how it is and by looks of it all clubs are same with entry prices. If your genuine you'll pay the price.
It's very similar to nightclubs the main difference I see is who would report it and go to court with it....yes your honour I was sexually discriminated against when I tried to gain entry to a sex club. Again deep pockets dont make you genuine clubs do it because they can at the moment it's not the same story worldwide
Its not fair to all its just though. things will stay the same as long as its supported what folk should do is reverse the roles ie fems or cpls pay 4..5 times the amount of single guys I'm sure your view would change"
I agree with you kola. Always found the prices guys pay very unfair compared to what single females pay. I'd be more than happy to pay a bit more and guys to pay a bit less. The better clubs keep tabs on ratio, so it wouldn't result in being overrun with guys.
Doubt this will ever happen though, suppose it's a supply and demand thing x |
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over a year ago
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"But you know that will never happen as sex sells and men will always be desperate and pay a premium for it.
It's simple business really. "
I'm Not desperate so I won't pay for it. An I no a few others that won't either |
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"But you know that will never happen as sex sells and men will always be desperate and pay a premium for it.
It's simple business really. "
Thats exactly what these clubs are. They're running a business. The guys I've come across are in general not desperate though x |
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"But you know that will never happen as sex sells and desperate men will always be desperate and pay a premium for it.
All things come to an end at some point.
I just find it very strange so many club goers advocate sexual equality in other forum posts but stick up for it when these kind of posts rear their head at least this ones been civil and no name calling as usual
It's simple business really. "
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"But you know that will never happen as sex sells and men will always be desperate and pay a premium for it.
It's simple business really. I'm Not desperate so I won't pay for it. An I no a few others that won't either "
But you are just a minority.
The percentage of men that attend clubs are in the majority bracket.
Majority=Profit.
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"But you know that will never happen as sex sells and men will always be desperate and pay a premium for it.
It's simple business really. I'm Not desperate so I won't pay for it. An I no a few others that won't either
But you are just a minority.
The percentage of men that attend clubs are in the majority bracket.
Majority=Profit.
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Back to my reason
I'm not desperate
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"Simple realise your simply a cash cow its spelt out for you with their actions if more refused to allow the discrimination it would have to change but the thirsty cant help themselves "
I'd agree with that. There's plenty on here think it's right that a single man should pay more and that single ladies get in for free....not saying that's the norm btw.
It should be the same price for every one and be left to the management who gets in |
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"Simple realise your simply a cash cow its spelt out for you with their actions if more refused to allow the discrimination it would have to change but the thirsty cant help themselves
I'd agree with that. There's plenty on here think it's right that a single man should pay more and that single ladies get in for free....not saying that's the norm btw.
It should be the same price for every one and be left to the management who gets in "
again that's the reason why I dont go to it |
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"Who wants a club full of single men though that's why a lot of clubs charge less for women and couple's
And this comment says it all. It's a deterrent.
If it was £10 to get in it would be a guaranteed sausage fest which would deter most couples and single females."
Well there's quite a simple solution to this. Charge single guys the same as single females and limit the amount of single guys that enter the club on any given night. Thetesactually a whole host of ways you could go about it but as someone pointed out it's a business and they are trying to make money first and foremost.
Ps all guys aren't 'desperate' for sex. Believe it or not I've declined the chance on quite a few occasions after being propositioned on here. |
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I can see both sides of the discriminatory pricing. But increasing the price for single males will help out some of weirder types and help to try and keep the clubs discreet. Also if the clubs had to manually keep a balance of single males to couples/single ladies that's more cost to the clubs and less profit. So to regain that loss of earnings and the extra costs the price for everyone would increase. Possibly leading to less of each member type attending and ultimately the closure of the club.
Catch 22 indeed |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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I’ve chatted to some lovely single guys at CJs. It doesn’t always lead to fun on the night but it has lead to fun at other times. I’ve found it a great way to socialise. I’ve sometimes arranged to meet those that have chatted on the forum to meet in the club if it’s their first time to make it easier for them.
There’s nothing sleazy about the clubs. What can be sleazy is the way people behave. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I agree with the op there are lot of females wanting cash or tributes, as I myself have declined, soon as money is mentioned it's no thanks, as not all guys are desperate |
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"I’ve chatted to some lovely single guys at CJs. It doesn’t always lead to fun on the night but it has lead to fun at other times. I’ve found it a great way to socialise. I’ve sometimes arranged to meet those that have chatted on the forum to meet in the club if it’s their first time to make it easier for them.
There’s nothing sleazy about the clubs. What can be sleazy is the way people behave. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'd love to come sometime and stand, nonchalant, twiddling my moustache* and raising my glass confidently at the attractive pairings with a knowing smile. Rejecting advances out of sheer principle, so masculine and restrained that it makes me unachievably irresistible.
*I don't have a moustache. |
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"But increasing the price for single males will help out some of weirder types and help to try and keep the clubs discreet."
I’d think the wierd of the world come from all backgrounds rich and poor.
If your looking for exclusivity expect to travel further afield and mix with equally affluent types after undergoing due diligence.
Discreet wise ? Well every 4th thread is about the clubs  |
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"I can see both sides of the discriminatory pricing. But increasing the price for single males will help out some of weirder types and help to try and keep the clubs discreet. Also if the clubs had to manually keep a balance of single males to couples/single ladies that's more cost to the clubs and less profit. So to regain that loss of earnings and the extra costs the price for everyone would increase. Possibly leading to less of each member type attending and ultimately the closure of the club.
Catch 22 indeed"
Epstein kinda proves your reasoning wrong cash dont make you a better person.
Also the clubs do restrict the amounts of each group hence you book in advance so kinda ruins that side of your arguement.
Nightclubs were forced to adhere to non discriminatory practices and it didn't cause any commotion with them having to close it comes down to we can so we will because nobodys doing anything to stop us |
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"I’ve chatted to some lovely single guys at CJs. It doesn’t always lead to fun on the night but it has lead to fun at other times. I’ve found it a great way to socialise. I’ve sometimes arranged to meet those that have chatted on the forum to meet in the club if it’s their first time to make it easier for them.
There’s nothing sleazy about the clubs. What can be sleazy is the way people behave. "
Thank goodness for Falcon. Always chats to you like a best friend, even if she is probably thinking "who are you!"  |
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By *alcon43Woman
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"I’ve chatted to some lovely single guys at CJs. It doesn’t always lead to fun on the night but it has lead to fun at other times. I’ve found it a great way to socialise. I’ve sometimes arranged to meet those that have chatted on the forum to meet in the club if it’s their first time to make it easier for them.
There’s nothing sleazy about the clubs. What can be sleazy is the way people behave.
Thank goodness for Falcon. Always chats to you like a best friend, even if she is probably thinking "who are you!" "
Aww thanks. I’ve always been a people person. If we were all kinder to each other the world would be a better place.
I do occasionally have a CRAFT moment - can’t remember a f*cking thing  |
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"I’ve chatted to some lovely single guys at CJs. It doesn’t always lead to fun on the night but it has lead to fun at other times. I’ve found it a great way to socialise. I’ve sometimes arranged to meet those that have chatted on the forum to meet in the club if it’s their first time to make it easier for them.
There’s nothing sleazy about the clubs. What can be sleazy is the way people behave.
Thank goodness for Falcon. Always chats to you like a best friend, even if she is probably thinking "who are you!"
If we were all kinder to each other the world would be a better place.
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I'd say on a whole its difficult as a single guy on here and clubs ect.
I'd like a pound for every time I've been messed about on here for example. I'm always polite and complete genuine but......
I'm not gods gift, but equally not Shrek.
But then alot of ladies have experienced all sorts of crap from guys, so it just makes it all difficult.
But if theres any nice genuine ladies reading this drop me a reply please.
And mate, just keep being you and patient |
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