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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So is Nicolas correct and the majority of Scotland wants independence?
Let's have a Fab unofficial vote.
No political views or comments please , to avoid debate or argument. just simply yes or no.
Should Scotland be independent. ?
I'm a NO |
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No wee have already voted on it in 2014 |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Mibee... Depends what the hot women say. 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes for me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was a Yes....now I'm not so sure. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I have a pm yes vote too
Keeping it honest vote  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Absolutely yes! |
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Will never work as the second it's a yes what's to stop folk just screeching the question wasnt asked right or some such drivel like is being done now |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's a yes from me
But alas will never happen.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's a yes from me
But alas will never happen. "
it will |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No |
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By *ayRosesWoman
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
Was yes then, despite misgivings, absolutely yes now. There's nothing left in the UK now that I want to be associated with. |
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No shes not correct and the majority don't.
Various polls state the facts.
She has one thing on her mind and won't let it go.
The nation voted to remain then the UK voted to leave.
We are a small island and the last thing we need is 4 governments dividin us. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sorry england voted to leave.
Scotland did not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No from me.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Brexit in Scotland - Statistics & Facts
Share of vote for leave.
38%
Nunber of votes cast
3,776.751
Share of votes to remain
62%
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes to another vote and see where the ground lies...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We were both a yes the first time, and we still are x |
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"Mibee... Depends what the hot women say.
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This ha ha.... but I'm yes |
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By *mmixtapeCouple
over a year ago
middle earth |
It's a yes, there are far smaller countries out there who do amazingly without needing England |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's a yes, there are far smaller countries out there who do amazingly without needing England"
England have greed in there eyes
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes all the way |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's a yes, there are far smaller countries out there who do amazingly without needing EnglandEngland have greed in there eyes "
I feel sorry for most normal working folk in England. They get shafted too. |
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Yes last time. Yes next time
It's going to come at some point.
Also not to get political but independence is not just SNP. You can be for it and not like SNP  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nope. If there is any hope for humanity we need more unions, not fewer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's a yes, there are far smaller countries out there who do amazingly without needing EnglandEngland have greed in there eyes
I feel sorry for most normal working folk in England. They get shafted too."
agree doggy at least we have free prescriptions and education.
England is going down the tubes fast!! Just wish folk would see that they are taking us with them! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope. If there is any hope for humanity we need more unions, not fewer. "
we don't have a union
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope. If there is any hope for humanity we need more unions, not fewer. we don't have a union "
I mean union in the true sense of the word. As in joined. |
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Wish another party not associated with Westminster run in Scotland so then people would see the split between Scotland as most vote for SNP purely to vote against England but doesn't mean they want independence, even then people don't vote because they know it's pointless
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I really wish the SNP would get on with running Scotland, improve education, business, health.
Make Scotland a great place, then they would have more of a claim to independence. Get on with the job you were voted in to do.
I voted remain as I thought being in EU was better for Scotland, but now I would vote leave. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wish another party not associated with Westminster run in Scotland so then people would see the split between Scotland as most vote for SNP purely to vote against England but doesn't mean they want independence, even then people don't vote because they know it's pointless
John "
voting SNP is a vote against tories not england. |
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By *imbobaMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
Was a no at the first vote. Now a yes.
Divorced since the first so now appreciate the benefits of independence. (Last bit tongue in cheek). But true. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes again for me |
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"Wish another party not associated with Westminster run in Scotland so then people would see the split between Scotland as most vote for SNP purely to vote against England but doesn't mean they want independence, even then people don't vote because they know it's pointless
John voting SNP is a vote against tories not england."
Surely a vote for Labour would've been a vote against the Tories? Could've got them out of power if Scotland got behind Labour
John |
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By *bostCouple
over a year ago
glasgow |
We’d vote yes, but are split re: SNP. General elections SNP. Scottish elections, won’t be SNP. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I really wish the SNP would get on with running Scotland, improve education, business, health.
Make Scotland a great place, then they would have more of a claim to independence. Get on with the job you were voted in to do.
I voted remain as I thought being in EU was better for Scotland, but now I would vote leave. "
was has England improved nothing |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wish another party not associated with Westminster run in Scotland so then people would see the split between Scotland as most vote for SNP purely to vote against England but doesn't mean they want independence, even then people don't vote because they know it's pointless
John voting SNP is a vote against tories not england.
Surely a vote for Labour would've been a vote against the Tories? Could've got them out of power if Scotland got behind Labour
John "
labour was always going to be a wasted vote.
SNP get as many actual scottish voices in Westminster. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wish another party not associated with Westminster run in Scotland so then people would see the split between Scotland as most vote for SNP purely to vote against England but doesn't mean they want independence, even then people don't vote because they know it's pointless
John voting SNP is a vote against tories not england.
Surely a vote for Labour would've been a vote against the Tories? Could've got them out of power if Scotland got behind Labour
John labour was always going to be a wasted vote.
SNP get as many actual scottish voices in Westminster."
snp don't get answers when they question them. The tories are running scared |
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Was apolitical...now very much yes |
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By *ee-YinWoman
over a year ago
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I was a yes last time and definitely a yes again.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Was a no, now a yes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes always yes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Looks like the "yes" have the votes. On fab anyway. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes last time but iv had doubts since! so need more info ... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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YES!!! YES!! Did I say YES!!!!!!!!!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Massive yes from us and all our family,there is nothing for us in this so called union |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wish another party not associated with Westminster run in Scotland so then people would see the split between Scotland as most vote for SNP purely to vote against England but doesn't mean they want independence, even then people don't vote because they know it's pointless
John voting SNP is a vote against tories not england.
Surely a vote for Labour would've been a vote against the Tories? Could've got them out of power if Scotland got behind Labour
John "
You do know that labour are not a scottish party ? They have to go by the rules of their Westminster masters and are nothing but red tories how stood and celebrated with them in 2014 and now thats why they have been wiped out and are an irrelevance in scottish politics now |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Looking at this small slice of society it would seem Nicola is correct in voicing her opinion on the wishes of the majority of Scots .
If she gets her vote I fear we will be on the path to higher taxes, the end of free prescriptions and education , massive job losses, communities ruined , the most devided this country will have ever experienced and lastly a country sent from one governing body to a European governight body. Yes independence will be awesome. !! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Looking at this small slice of society it would seem Nicola is correct in voicing her opinion on the wishes of the majority of Scots .
If she gets her vote I fear we will be on the path to higher taxes, the end of free prescriptions and education , massive job losses, communities ruined , the most devided this country will have ever experienced and lastly a country sent from one governing body to a European governight body. Yes independence will be awesome. !! "
Would rather a slightly higher taxation to provide the services that are already enjoyed by the ppl of Scotland.. whereas in England they are taxed and pay for the services also. everything has tax added from food to clothing to fuel yet country is still on its knees.
Scotland must keep its own government and stand up for us and not be lost in the uk.. for years we have had a different opinion to England and has shown repeatedly in the way in which we have voted. That’s democracy and freedom of choice it’s not all set in stone ppl are allowed to change their minds. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No for me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes |
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By *iona38ddTV/TS
over a year ago
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Never never never always be no from me
But I am allowed an opinion or I think I am
Unless the minority tell me I am not as they seem to be telling me everything else I can’t say or do |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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For a thread that states “No political views or comments please , to avoid debate or argument. just simply yes or no.” there’s a lot of opinions |
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It’s a definite no never not a chance from me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am not a Rangers supporter
so its a
YES
from me |
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"I am not a Rangers supporter
so its a
YES
from me"
What difference would that make? And why did you feel the need to make such a ridiculous comment?
John |
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"I am not a Rangers supporter
so its a
YES
from me"
So only rangers fans don’t want independence ??
Nothing to do with person choices etc all purely sectarian... some folk make you laugh |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am not a Rangers supporter
so its a
YES
from me"
why bring football into it  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am not a Rangers supporter
so its a
YES
from mewhy bring football into it "
because in Glasgow, Kilmarnock, Larkhall and various other locations
Football determines what you vote and majority of rangers fans are unionists fact.
this comment was tongue and cheek but so many on here take things so dam serious and try to get brownie points by pulling up comments (quite laughable actually)
but if you are unaware that the majority of rangers fans are unionist and detest not only independence but also the snp then a little education is required.
question;
what colour are the job centre signs in larkhall |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Exactly I am also a Rangers fan but yes I support independence and I also support a free United Ireland.
I used to work for Scottish Enterprise and did a local economic development programme with them and did a feasibility study on what would happen if we went on our own
This was in the build up to Donald Dewar and Devolution
Using facts and figures at the time we proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that once the shackles of this dead Union were severed Scotland could survive and prosper well on her own.
The UK government knew this and has done since Thatcher and the Indy vote of 1978/9 and have pulled out every dirty lie, propaganda, vow to stop people from voting YES.
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Should this not be in the politics forum under "the people voted no" category.
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"I am not a Rangers supporter
so its a
YES
from mewhy bring football into it
because in Glasgow, Kilmarnock, Larkhall and various other locations
Football determines what you vote and majority of rangers fans are unionists fact.
this comment was tongue and cheek but so many on here take things so dam serious and try to get brownie points by pulling up comments (quite laughable actually)
but if you are unaware that the majority of rangers fans are unionist and detest not only independence but also the snp then a little education is required.
question;
what colour are the job centre signs in larkhall "
The laughable part is your assumptions 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes, 100%. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The laughable part is your assumptions
John "
no assumptions John, just facts
sadly I have family members exactly that way, and friends/offshore work colleagues who live in larkhall who have artificial turf which is blue!!!!!
perhaps you need to get out in the world and see what is actually going on in areas |
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Yes.
Been doing the union long enough and Tories seem to think going it alone is much better so why not give it a go ourselves?
Honestly, not looking for a fight but there's a lot more reason to it than just the above |
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The laughable part is your assumptions
John
no assumptions John, just facts
sadly I have family members exactly that way, and friends/offshore work colleagues who live in larkhall who have artificial turf which is blue!!!!!
perhaps you need to get out in the world and see what is actually going on in areas"
Trust me I'm well travelled, it's not the 80's anymore while it still goes on in small communites it's far from it within the greater support step out of the schemes now and again
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It was a yes
now it's a no
If they do another one say 5 years post brexit when folk realise we don't need to jump back into bed with the EU then it will be a yes from me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Why would anyone want Scotland to leave Britain just so we can become a European country? Look what happend to Southern Ireland when they did it its a no from me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am not a Rangers supporter
so its a
YES
from mewhy bring football into it
because in Glasgow, Kilmarnock, Larkhall and various other locations
Football determines what you vote and majority of rangers fans are unionists fact.
this comment was tongue and cheek but so many on here take things so dam serious and try to get brownie points by pulling up comments (quite laughable actually)
but if you are unaware that the majority of rangers fans are unionist and detest not only independence but also the snp then a little education is required.
question;
what colour are the job centre signs in larkhall "
Quite simply moronic and condescending |
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because in Glasgow, Kilmarnock, Larkhall and various other locations
Football determines what you vote and majority of rangers fans are unionists fact.
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If this is true then that's a scary thought cause then we become a nation of sheep and Don't think for ourselves.
I'd like to think that people would listen to both sides of the argument, and come to those own conclusions however I know too many people who don't have the mindset for politics or can't be bothered in actuality taking an interest in it all and just vote what thier parents voted for.
I have lost friends over this whole independent just cause they are set in thier ways and will not listen to any other argument or facts.
I'm not trying to turn them, just asking to do some research before committing.
There are some good points to stay with the union but I personally would like to see change.
Either way it goes people will never be happy.
I accepted the No vote last time and moved on.
Not happy about coming out the EU but I can see some benefits and accept the majority vote
But if your giving me another bite at the cherry them your dam right I will vote again |
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No way we would never survive the indi wote they banged on about the oil money will keep us alive oh look it's dead already they now base there indi vote on we want back in Europe but in the build up to the indi vote Europe told us that we would not be accepted into europe on our own because we dont offer anything the longer she is in power the more I see that she is more full of shit than anybody else tbh and the less I trust her since SNP have been in all they bang on about is independence and frankly I'm more bored of hearing about that than I am about brexit |
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Also SNP said themselves once in a lifetime vote till they lost and then asked for another vote every day since we are a democracy and we voted accept it and move on |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Also SNP said themselves once in a lifetime vote till they lost and then asked for another vote every day since we are a democracy and we voted accept it and move on"
the Scottish people want another vote not just snp. Regardless what they said. An Scotland will fight for another independence. As it what we deserve
Fed up On the corruption of the torie party |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Also SNP said themselves once in a lifetime vote till they lost and then asked for another vote every day since we are a democracy and we voted accept it and move on"
That old chestnut lol
I think things have changed since 2014
Scotland’s voice consistently ignored down down south is only fuel for the fire for independence and I hope it comes soon. Watching little England play their SNP bad bullshit is getting tiresome, watching Farages speech at the Eu parliament was funny as every word he said is the way Scotland feels about being governed by Westminster. The Little tick on the UKs back. If we’re that insignificant to Westminster let us go. |
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"Also SNP said themselves once in a lifetime vote till they lost and then asked for another vote every day since we are a democracy and we voted accept it and move on"
Your right and on the other side of that you had the government saying that staying in the union was the ONLY way to stay in the EU.
Oops |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The “Once in a lifetime” was a jibe made by a Westminster back bencher and has been the poster campaign with ALL the unionist parties since.
Nobody within the independence movement ever made the comment
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I’m all for independence when the split is clearly lined out and arranged before hand. Until then I’m a firm no. People blindly wanting independence should look at the fiasco that’s been brexit. |
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"The “Once in a lifetime” was a jibe made by a Westminster back bencher and has been the poster campaign with ALL the unionist parties since.
Nobody within the independence movement ever made the comment
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Yes they did. You can google it and watch numerous clips of both Nicola and Alex stating it on different occassions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The “Once in a lifetime” was a jibe made by a Westminster back bencher and has been the poster campaign with ALL the unionist parties since.
Nobody within the independence movement ever made the comment
Yes they did. You can google it and watch numerous clips of both Nicola and Alex stating it on different occassions."
The material change in circumstances clause overrides the once in a generation point. Being pulled out the EU against our will is that change. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The “Once in a lifetime” was a jibe made by a Westminster back bencher and has been the poster campaign with ALL the unionist parties since.
Nobody within the independence movement ever made the comment
Yes they did. You can google it and watch numerous clips of both Nicola and Alex stating it on different occassions.
The material change in circumstances clause overrides the once in a generation point. Being pulled out the EU against our will is that change."
But you want to be independent so surely coming out of Europe is a step in the right direction? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's an absolute yes from me. Even if you don't agree with the SNP we can always elect a party that will represent and be directly accountable to us all here. We have to start somewhere. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm a little confused.. I thought the question was:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
So Scotland didn't vote to stay in as that wasn't the question.. Scotland voted to stay in the United Kingdom.. The United Kingdom voted to leave.. Or maybe I am wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Oh and as for the once in a lifetime non sense......shall we just let Westminster call elections/referendums whenever and as often as they feel like it? As a sovereign nation it should be our right alone. |
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over a year ago
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"The “Once in a lifetime” was a jibe made by a Westminster back bencher and has been the poster campaign with ALL the unionist parties since.
Nobody within the independence movement ever made the comment
Yes they did. You can google it and watch numerous clips of both Nicola and Alex stating it on different occassions.
The material change in circumstances clause overrides the once in a generation point. Being pulled out the EU against our will is that change.
But you want to be independent so surely coming out of Europe is a step in the right direction?"
Independence isn't about isolation. I can't speak for every yes voter but I'm sick of Tory governments I didn't vote for imposing the ideology they want. The EU has it's own issues sure, but I think we're better off in the EU and away from Tory rule. |
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"The “Once in a lifetime” was a jibe made by a Westminster back bencher and has been the poster campaign with ALL the unionist parties since.
Nobody within the independence movement ever made the comment
Yes they did. You can google it and watch numerous clips of both Nicola and Alex stating it on different occassions.
The material change in circumstances clause overrides the once in a generation point. Being pulled out the EU against our will is that change.
But you want to be independent so surely coming out of Europe is a step in the right direction?
Independence isn't about isolation. I can't speak for every yes voter but I'm sick of Tory governments I didn't vote for imposing the ideology they want. The EU has it's own issues sure, but I think we're better off in the EU and away from Tory rule."
So if Labour were in Goverment you would be happy to stay in the UK? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So if Labour were in Goverment you would be happy to stay in the UK?"
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Two issues with that.
1. The current Labour government is a shambles and won't be getting into power anytime soon.
2. History suggests the Westminster government will flip between the Tory party and Labour every few years.
So how do you guarantee the Tories don't have direct rule over Scotland? Independence I believe. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm still a no
There are too many unknowns and in answered questions for me
Also would nicola ever say there is not a majority, its how they play the numbers and what poll they use, she is a politician and as such I don't trust them, any of them lol |
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Yes then and now. There is a better way for Scotland. |
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"I'm a little confused.. I thought the question was:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
So Scotland didn't vote to stay in as that wasn't the question.. Scotland voted to stay in the United Kingdom.. The United Kingdom voted to leave.. Or maybe I am wrong. "
Correct....your wrong |
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over a year ago
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"I'm a little confused.. I thought the question was:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
So Scotland didn't vote to stay in as that wasn't the question.. Scotland voted to stay in the United Kingdom.. The United Kingdom voted to leave.. Or maybe I am wrong.
Correct....your wrong"
Could you enlighten me as to how I am wrong then? |
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over a year ago
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The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did. |
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over a year ago
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"I'm still a no
There are too many unknowns and in answered questions for me
Also would nicola ever say there is not a majority, its how they play the numbers and what poll they use, she is a politician and as such I don't trust them, any of them lol"
read the facts of the brexit vote
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over a year ago
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"The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did."
Not true.. There were People in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all voted to leave... The cumulative voted for leave..
The majority of Scotland voted against independence
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over a year ago
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The majority of scotland voted to stay in the EU but there you go we are dragged out. |
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over a year ago
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"The majority of scotland voted to stay in the EU but there you go we are dragged out."
not fir long
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over a year ago
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Just a snippet of factual information on EU rule we may have if independence ever happens.
Cucumbers and bananas had to be practically straight before being fit for sale.
Bottled water manufacturers had to remove any labelling that would suggest drinking water would fight dehydration.
EU experts deemed diabetics should be banned from driving as being unfit to drive.
Eggs cannot be sold by the dozen but by the kilo.
Hoover suction power was a problem too, by too much suction lmao, hoovers are now limited to a maximum 1600 watts.
Most of these barmy rules won't affect our normal lives but I'm more concerned with the ones the EU will impose on us after becoming independent. But most importantly what will the "club" cost us as an independent country and where will we find this money. ???? |
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Someone been reading the sun headlines again?
Seriously?
So when you go on holiday to benidorm are your bananas all straight?
Come on your only hearing headlines the tories are putting out on the newspapers..guess what..OWNED by billionaires funding the Tories |
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over a year ago
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Yes for my household. Sick of the austerity forced on us by Westminster and our nation being ignored and being disrespected at every turn.
The chancellor has today announced more local council cuts after promising the end of austerity and that no more cuts would be forthcoming! Can’t trust a word that comes out or the Tories mouths.
Yougov have just released a poll showing independence holding a slight lead for the first time ever in one of their polls.
Too many people believe the biased mainstream media who are worked from the back by Westminster. |
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over a year ago
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"Just a snippet of factual information on EU rule we may have if independence ever happens.
Cucumbers and bananas had to be practically straight before being fit for sale.
Bottled water manufacturers had to remove any labelling that would suggest drinking water would fight dehydration.
EU experts deemed diabetics should be banned from driving as being unfit to drive.
Eggs cannot be sold by the dozen but by the kilo.
Hoover suction power was a problem too, by too much suction lmao, hoovers are now limited to a maximum 1600 watts.
Most of these barmy rules won't affect our normal lives but I'm more concerned with the ones the EU will impose on us after becoming independent. But most importantly what will the "club" cost us as an independent country and where will we find this money. ????"
I will respond to my own post if that allowed in here.
I pay 40 % tax on some earnings, everyone in Scotland should prepare themselves for the same . Once independence is won, Scots voted for it , now you will need to pay for it to make it work. |
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"The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did."
Think you'll find the UK as a whole voted to leave. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have no problem paying tax that's staying in my own country. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did.
Think you'll find the UK as a whole voted to leave. "
nope. |
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over a year ago
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No |
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"Just a snippet of factual information on EU rule we may have if independence ever happens.
Cucumbers and bananas had to be practically straight before being fit for sale.
Bottled water manufacturers had to remove any labelling that would suggest drinking water would fight dehydration.
EU experts deemed diabetics should be banned from driving as being unfit to drive.
Eggs cannot be sold by the dozen but by the kilo.
Hoover suction power was a problem too, by too much suction lmao, hoovers are now limited to a maximum 1600 watts.
Most of these barmy rules won't affect our normal lives but I'm more concerned with the ones the EU will impose on us after becoming independent. But most importantly what will the "club" cost us as an independent country and where will we find this money. ????"
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Most of these "barmy rules" are totally non existent. No wait.... All of them! Where in the world did you get this from?? |
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"The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did.
Think you'll find the UK as a whole voted to leave. nope."
Could you explain why you're saying no? The majority of Scotland voted to remain.. That is true but the cumulative vote of all united Kingdom was to leave.. Or are you implying that the Scottish votes that contributed to the uk majority vote don't count? |
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"I have no problem paying tax that's staying in my own country."
That's the thing though it won't be , it will go to your EU club. Not to mention all those new MEP,s that will need paying for.
Ps my bananas post were not sun headlines, they were all factual EU directives. |
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Lol obviously they dont count as the majority of scotland voted to remain as did Wales.but no matter if every Scot or welsh voted to remain England will always be the majority vote. |
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"Lol obviously they dont count as the majority of scotland voted to remain as did Wales.but no matter if every Scot or welsh voted to remain England will always be the majority vote."
I think if you look at the breakdown of the votes by Country if every Scot and Welsh person voted to remain then remain would have won as only 53 per cent of England voted leave.. But let's not let facts get in the way. |
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"Lol obviously they dont count as the majority of scotland voted to remain as did Wales.but no matter if every Scot or welsh voted to remain England will always be the majority vote.
I think if you look at the breakdown of the votes by Country if every Scot and Welsh person voted to remain then remain would have won as only 53 per cent of England voted leave.. But let's not let facts get in the way. "
England have about 55 Million votes, Scotland and Wales combined have about 8 Million. That would suggest England have the majority of votes. Which to go back to an earlier point is why the Tories keep getting into power. |
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"Lol obviously they dont count as the majority of scotland voted to remain as did Wales.but no matter if every Scot or welsh voted to remain England will always be the majority vote.
I think if you look at the breakdown of the votes by Country if every Scot and Welsh person voted to remain then remain would have won as only 53 per cent of England voted leave.. But let's not let facts get in the way.
England have about 55 Million votes, Scotland and Wales combined have about 8 Million. That would suggest England have the majority of votes. Which to go back to an earlier point is why the Tories keep getting into power."
But not everyone voted, and of those that voted not everyone voted to leave. |
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Scotland has NEVER voted for a tory government but by the english majority we get them all the same.
So tell me how that's a fair government? |
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"Scotland has NEVER voted for a tory government but by the english majority we get them all the same.
So tell me how that's a fair government? "
they never have an never will be fair as it proven allready many a times but yet there still some in Scotland that's votes for them.. I just never understood it |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just a snippet of factual information on EU rule we may have if independence ever happens.
Cucumbers and bananas had to be practically straight before being fit for sale.
Bottled water manufacturers had to remove any labelling that would suggest drinking water would fight dehydration.
EU experts deemed diabetics should be banned from driving as being unfit to drive.
Eggs cannot be sold by the dozen but by the kilo.
Hoover suction power was a problem too, by too much suction lmao, hoovers are now limited to a maximum 1600 watts.
Most of these barmy rules won't affect our normal lives but I'm more concerned with the ones the EU will impose on us after becoming independent. But most importantly what will the "club" cost us as an independent country and where will we find this money. ????v
Most of these "barmy rules" are totally non existent. No wait.... All of them! Where in the world did you get this from??"
Your right princes one of my barmy rules was false, last year they further reduced hoover wattage from 1600 to 900 watts.
All barmy but true. |
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"The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did.
Think you'll find the UK as a whole voted to leave. nope."
Nope???? Omfg really???? You need to have a look at the result again. The UK voted to leave it wasn't down to countries or constituencies it was person for person. |
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over a year ago
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"The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did.
Think you'll find the UK as a whole voted to leave. nope.
Nope???? Omfg really???? You need to have a look at the result again. The UK voted to leave it wasn't down to countries or constituencies it was person for person."
You're absolutely right, this is a core argument for independence. |
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"The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did.
Think you'll find the UK as a whole voted to leave. nope.
Nope???? Omfg really???? You need to have a look at the result again. The UK voted to leave it wasn't down to countries or constituencies it was person for person.
You're absolutely right, this is a core argument for independence. "
It's really not because person for person in Scotland means wee Jimmy will lose again |
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over a year ago
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"The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did.
Think you'll find the UK as a whole voted to leave. nope.
Nope???? Omfg really???? You need to have a look at the result again. The UK voted to leave it wasn't down to countries or constituencies it was person for person.
You're absolutely right, this is a core argument for independence.
It's really not because person for person in Scotland means wee Jimmy will lose again "
If an independent Scotland voted. We wouldn't be leaving the EU. Fact. |
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"The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did.
Think you'll find the UK as a whole voted to leave. nope.
Nope???? Omfg really???? You need to have a look at the result again. The UK voted to leave it wasn't down to countries or constituencies it was person for person.
You're absolutely right, this is a core argument for independence.
It's really not because person for person in Scotland means wee Jimmy will lose again
If an independent Scotland voted. We wouldn't be leaving the EU. Fact."
That the same as me saying if my auntie Susan had a cock she'd be my uncle. |
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over a year ago
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"The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did.
Think you'll find the UK as a whole voted to leave. nope.
Nope???? Omfg really???? You need to have a look at the result again. The UK voted to leave it wasn't down to countries or constituencies it was person for person.
You're absolutely right, this is a core argument for independence.
It's really not because person for person in Scotland means wee Jimmy will lose again
If an independent Scotland voted. We wouldn't be leaving the EU. Fact.
That the same as me saying if my auntie Susan had a cock she'd be my uncle. "
Only if your auntie Susan was able to get a cock by voting for it. I'm not sure that's how it works.... . |
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"The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did.
Think you'll find the UK as a whole voted to leave. nope.
Nope???? Omfg really???? You need to have a look at the result again. The UK voted to leave it wasn't down to countries or constituencies it was person for person.
You're absolutely right, this is a core argument for independence.
It's really not because person for person in Scotland means wee Jimmy will lose again
If an independent Scotland voted. We wouldn't be leaving the EU. Fact.
That the same as me saying if my auntie Susan had a cock she'd be my uncle.
Only if your auntie Susan was able to get a cock by voting for it. I'm not sure that's how it works.... ."
Clearly not the same thing at all is it. |
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No, sturgeon does not care about country, she just wants to be famous for getting it across the line, and will be long gone when left with mess |
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over a year ago
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"No, sturgeon does not care about country, she just wants to be famous for getting it across the line, and will be long gone when left with mess "
does not care really wow
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"No, sturgeon does not care about country, she just wants to be famous for getting it across the line, and will be long gone when left with mess "
Amen |
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over a year ago
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Doesn't matter cause the vote is already in and for a generation it's a NO! On a more important note, what kind of bees produce milk??? |
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over a year ago
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"I really wish the SNP would get on with running Scotland, improve education, business, health.
Make Scotland a great place, then they would have more of a claim to independence. Get on with the job you were voted in to do.
I voted remain as I thought being in EU was better for Scotland, but now I would vote leave. "
Could agree more however I voted remain and still would |
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I looked extensively at the facts back in 2014 and voted No.
I'm even more committed to No now.
I even recently donated to the No Thanks campaign I feel so strongly about it. |
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over a year ago
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"I looked extensively at the facts back in 2014 and voted No.
I'm even more committed to No now.
I even recently donated to the No Thanks campaign I feel so strongly about it."
I find myself surprised by that going by the conservative members voting history on LGBT rights over the years but then I haven’t done much research into that past looking at the voting histories |
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"The United kingdom did not vote to leave.
England did.
Think you'll find the UK as a whole voted to leave. nope.
Nope???? Omfg really???? You need to have a look at the result again. The UK voted to leave it wasn't down to countries or constituencies it was person for person.
You're absolutely right, this is a core argument for independence.
It's really not because person for person in Scotland means wee Jimmy will lose again
If an independent Scotland voted. We wouldn't be leaving the EU. Fact."
and you know this as a fact how? Lol amazes me that folk just pull facts out of thin air |
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"I looked extensively at the facts back in 2014 and voted No.
I'm even more committed to No now.
I even recently donated to the No Thanks campaign I feel so strongly about it.
I find myself surprised by that going by the conservative members voting history on LGBT rights over the years but then I haven’t done much research into that past looking at the voting histories "
You are referring to two completely different issues. People are not small minded enough to hold a grudge against a party just because of stuff that happened in the past. |
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I was no before absolutely 100% yes now
I'd rather the worst of Scotland independent than the best of Little England now (And I'm English)
Not my PM
Not my Brexit |
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over a year ago
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"I looked extensively at the facts back in 2014 and voted No.
I'm even more committed to No now.
I even recently donated to the No Thanks campaign I feel so strongly about it."
well if you read my post from early, it tells you of the facts of the vote. |
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"I looked extensively at the facts back in 2014 and voted No.
I'm even more committed to No now.
I even recently donated to the No Thanks campaign I feel so strongly about it.well if you read my post from early, it tells you of the facts of the vote. "
your "facts" are based on a diffrent question |
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"I looked extensively at the facts back in 2014 and voted No.
I'm even more committed to No now.
I even recently donated to the No Thanks campaign I feel so strongly about it.well if you read my post from early, it tells you of the facts of the vote. your "facts" are based on a diffrent question"
And most “Facts” based on the words of a Tory are based on lies |
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"I looked extensively at the facts back in 2014 and voted No.
I'm even more committed to No now.
I even recently donated to the No Thanks campaign I feel so strongly about it.well if you read my post from early, it tells you of the facts of the vote. your "facts" are based on a diffrent question
And most “Facts” based on the words of a Tory are based on lies "
trychanging that to politician closer to an actual fact |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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NO |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes |
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Exactly this proven by 1 of her 1st speeches in charge when her words were I want to be known as the woman that got scotland independence she didnt say I want to get scotland independence its baffling aparently we want to be independent away from england yet join Europe to not be independent everything about snp is anti English and england which basically is a form of racism |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
outside your bedroom window ;-) |
I was a no, now I'm a yes.
The UK is fooked, England is ruled by the privately educated and I feel sorry for the working class of england, however they have shown once and for all they are a salesmanship dream
Sooner we get out of the UK and back into the EU the better for all. |
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"Exactly this proven by 1 of her 1st speeches in charge when her words were I want to be known as the woman that got scotland independence she didnt say I want to get scotland independence its baffling aparently we want to be independent away from england yet join Europe to not be independent everything about snp is anti English and england which basically is a form of racism"
And farage wanted to be the man who got us out of Europe due to his own personal hatred for that union |
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"Exactly this proven by 1 of her 1st speeches in charge when her words were I want to be known as the woman that got scotland independence she didnt say I want to get scotland independence its baffling aparently we want to be independent away from england yet join Europe to not be independent everything about snp is anti English and england which basically is a form of racism
And farage wanted to be the man who got us out of Europe due to his own personal hatred for that union "
And even he knew he didnt stand a chance of getting in and we all knew it ourselves but maybe he helped I dont know hes not a very likeable character |
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"Exactly this proven by 1 of her 1st speeches in charge when her words were I want to be known as the woman that got scotland independence she didnt say I want to get scotland independence its baffling aparently we want to be independent away from england yet join Europe to not be independent everything about snp is anti English and england which basically is a form of racism
And farage wanted to be the man who got us out of Europe due to his own personal hatred for that union
And even he knew he didnt stand a chance of getting in and we all knew it ourselves but maybe he helped I dont know hes not a very likeable character "
were is he now |
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over a year ago
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Yes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Don’t leave us Welsh stuck with England! Loads commenting here saying they want to detached from England...don’t forget your Celtic cousins!  |
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"Don’t leave us Welsh stuck with England! Loads commenting here saying they want to detached from England...don’t forget your Celtic cousins! "
the Welsh want there own independence |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So I have another pm vote come in , it's a no from that member. However it is clear that from this unofficial Fab vote for independence,
the ayes have it.
A big thanks to everyone who took part with their votes and their comments but most importantly keeping it civil on such a devicive topic. Big pat on the back to everyone.
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