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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

If you knew someone was fiddling the system would you report it or say nothing ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you knew someone was fiddling the system would you report it or say nothing ? "

I know lots of folk who do...... I say nothing.

A grass is worse than a benefit cheat in my book

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

not sure what to write

however there is a difference between right and wrong

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

May be they have no other options.Everything being dearer now,especially food and fuel may force then into a situation thet don`t want to be in or cannot get out of.Of course there are some serious cheats out there who are simply out to use and abuse the system just because they can.

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

A grass is worse than a benefit cheat in my book

and why do you think this is the case then ?

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"May be they have no other options.Everything being dearer now,especially food and fuel may force then into a situation thet don`t want to be in or cannot get out of.Of course there are some serious cheats out there who are simply out to use and abuse the system just because they can."

Rabb its a well know fact that some people claiming benefits get more doing so that hard working people so why should someone like me and my family pay for that when we are struggling too ?

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By *andj65Couple over a year ago

Glasgow

Have never reported anyone but makes me so bloody mad seeing what some folks do...

yea there are folks who struggle...tell me who doesnt these days but makes me mad seeing where ma taxes are goin to...

anyway could say a hellava lot more but some folks out there are workin and dont get a penny and strugglin te get by...

shame on the fiddlers a say...

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"Have never reported anyone but makes me so bloody mad seeing what some folks do...

yea there are folks who struggle...tell me who doesnt these days but makes me mad seeing where ma taxes are goin to...

anyway could say a hellava lot more but some folks out there are workin and dont get a penny and strugglin te get by...

shame on the fiddlers a say...

exactly jo they work and claim benefits and steal of you me and every other tax payer in the country yet some think that ok

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Totally agree with you.Times are hard all round.The governments over the last couple of decades have let things go on for far too long.There 2 and 3 generations of families that have never worked.Something has to be done,we all know this.But it`s not going to be easy.Poverty is a real issue.....and it`s getting worse.There are things the government can do and right away.Stop trident for one thing!!

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

Rabb its a well know fact that some people claiming benefits get more doing so that hard working people so why should someone like me and my family pay for that when we are struggling too ?"

and by this i do mean benefit cheats who are woking and claiming benefits not genuine people who are only claiming benefits .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It`s a can of worms that only the government can sort.And as always the`re totally out of touch.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Think most people would cheat in one way or another if they knew they would get away with it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

genuine claiments are acceptable as its not easy finding work in this climate. But when you have people who claim dla but are perfectly mobile it makes me angry. Especially when there are genuine people who are made to feel like there on trial because of those who abuse it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To be truthful yes I would a few years ago

But now no cause ya know what good on em

If the system is bollocks then its bollocks

Wouldnt do it myself but if the thick twats that run it canna sort it then WTF do we pay em for??

Worked all my life and now lost everything through the rescission and personal circumstances

Fighting back thou but does anyone in the system want ta know or help?

Do they fuck !!!!!!!!!

So im actually beginning to feel whos the twat ?

The bugger thats always been on the dole and cheating the system

Or me??????????????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you knew someone was fiddling the system would you report it or say nothing ? "

Does it actually affect you in socially. For those who work and pay their taxes it does seem to be annoying and shameful. Worked with men who were paid off the books, the manager took the risk and he kept it discrete.

The fact they were always away for 3 hours on a thursday made it obvious where they were.

Noone reported them out of polite friendship.

Someone used the term grass, it takes courage to report or stand up to someone or does it.

To quote mr Bridger

"everyones bent camp freddy"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

hi pep ther steling of us the tax payrs and being self inplod i wood and hav don reported them as i and a lot of u work hard for wot we get so how do the think the can stel of me and u as that wot ther doing it theft of ower cash that we work hard for ther pe out ther in ther 50 and so on how hav never don a days onest work in ther lief and that is true and hav no mind to we pay ther way for them and hav don for a loing time ther just thevs and we shud jail them all or the drug adic how cant work good for them to if it wos me not a peny of ower tax wood go to them as we all work hard for wot we get and for wot so thes cunt can stell of us and a lot of u let them but i wood not let them a way with it get it of them and giv it to the oaps how foet a wer for us workd all ther days and ar now starvin and thes cunts ar steling it of them u all wont to waek up and look at wot this is doing to all of us how work hard for wot we get

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By *rs kemeaCouple over a year ago

angus

"genuine claiments are acceptable as its not easy finding work in this climate. But when you have people who claim dla but are perfectly mobile it makes me angry. Especially when there are genuine people who are made to feel like there on trial because of those who abuse it."

DLA is disability living allowance. Disabilities aren't always to do with mobility, so someone who is claiming is might be able to walk, run and jump about, but not able to cook for themselves. I know people with arthritis who, some days you'd never know they had it but other days they can't get themselves off the toilet. Should they only get DLA part time?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

would never grass anyone up.i have much more things to be getn on with in my life.BUT..i can see the point in someone getting that angry as when you are out workin trying to make an honest living paying for car.house.kids and just keeping yourself above water then you go and see folk who havnt worked a day in their lives fly past in their flash cars designer handbags well does make your blood boil! Thing that gets me the most is when you go to school to pay your kids school holiday money and you find out your paying full price but those on benifits pay LESS than a quarter of the price?? WTF? Oppps got slightly carried away there lol. Auds.x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Depends on the situation I suppose. I know people who do fuck all all day and have no intention of looking for a job. Then works with friends and spends it all on beer or drugs.

Then again, I know single mums and families who struggle and can only get a few hours work on the side to make ends meet.

We can get a full time job, which will barely feed the family, pay the rent, buy basic clothes etc. sometimes it is better to not work and be better off.

I know it's not right, but some people have no choice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

yeah i reported a friend

he pissed off to thailand for a year whilst on incapacity benefit......and left me to help his dad out (who was in a nursing home)

turns out he never paid any nursing fees for 9 months and helped himself to over 4k from his dads account.

made me sick to the pit of my stomach....so when the DWP asked me where the son was (he was the appointee) i told the truth and said he was away for a year.....they worked out the rest

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

dla pe ar ok as the ned help and a doctor has sed so and this is fin but wen u giv it to pep that get it for us drugs then we dont think the shud get it as it ther owen folt ther liek this all the pep that us elegal drugs shed get nothing at all as thev dun this to ther selvs put them all on a ieland a way from desant fok and let them get on with kiling them selvs but we grug paing thes scrungers a penny and het them ther a west of spes and a wast of a lief but the chos it then the shud pay for it not us and a doctor shed not pas thes pep at all no mater wot the just the scum of the cuntry

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By *1cebren4uWoman over a year ago

clydebank

Perhaps if the government gave ppl enough money to live of there wouldnt be the need to do this some ppl only get £55 a wk as a single person and that has to keep a house electric, gas buy food ect and there are genuine ppl out there who do look for jobs while on benefits and its out of their hands they are unemployed can you ask yourselves can you keep a house on that kind of money then you might understand why some ppl do work for extra money xxx have friends who have done this but would never ever grass them up my 2ps worth sorry if i offend xxx

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By *z ThongzWoman over a year ago

Lanarkshire

OH to be able to sit in judgement would be absolutely fantastic.

Have read this thread with interest and have laughed at the designer cars and handbags , i would love to know how these people who are supposedly on benefits actually afford to do it.

I am on benefits , a single parent and have an eight year old with a heart condition.

I get child benefit of £20 a week like everyone working or not gets , I get child tax of £53 quid a week and job seekers allowance of £114 a fortnight, i seek work but because i am 45 and a single parent who has not worked for the last 8 years no one wants to give me a job , have applied for many in all areas of employment and get not even a reply.

I cant buy a house , or a car , i cant take my kid on holiday and as someone else said even the basic clothes , food and bills are hard to meet.

So if anyone out there wants to swap with me for a month or two and see what its really like to live on benefits be my guest , then come back here and belittle the honest people who dont screw the system and do try hard to find work.

Oh to be able to afford two and three holidays a year , spend money on the social side of life and buy things when u need them rather than when u can scrimp off the food , leccy and gas bills to afford them then be my guest m'laud.

Just my tuppenceworth.

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"OH to be able to sit in judgement would be absolutely fantastic.

Have read this thread with interest and have laughed at the designer cars and handbags , i would love to know how these people who are supposedly on benefits actually afford to do it.

I am on benefits , a single parent and have an eight year old with a heart condition.

I cant buy a house , or a car , i cant take my kid on holiday and as someone else said even the basic clothes , food and bills are hard to meet.

Just my tuppenceworth."

This is exactly the point im making loz honest decent people who struggle on a daily basis just to make ends meet of the benefits they do get while others cheat the system then that money thats going to the cheats could be going to those who desperatly need it other than the greedy people who cheat the system and steal from all our pockets.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just wondering what language this is?

Yes i think i would "grass" them up after all i am paying for it!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well said g&l. I think I would as well my mum used to work 2 full time jobs to keep the house and myself clean and tidy and there were folks doing 1 job and claiming benefits and they better off than my mum. Makes you sick we are too soft in this country !

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By *eenonfun2Couple over a year ago

Glasgow

Why stop Trident? thats there as a deterant, and its worked so far!

Lots of other things to look at first, big corporations abusing the tax system, benefit cheats, giving our hard earned (for those of us who work)to countries such as India/Pakistan/EU.

Then the rest of us may, just may be able to live a bit better

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I agree with most of that but the human rights brigade are out there and they need to do summit about that as well people who don't like the uk but stay here and scrounge off us get em to fuck !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

eh say nothing am no grass what do people get out of grassing on people just twisred people the grasses arent really going to b any better of

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"eh say nothing am no grass what do people get out of grassing on people just twisred people the grasses arent really going to b any better of "

so if my tax is reduced because im not paying for benefit cheats how am i no better of?..if it was coming out of your pocket would you say the same ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All very interesting social commentary. Jim

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By *f123Man over a year ago

central

I think that it would depend on your morals,eveyone knows its not right but has different views and ways of seeing things very difficult question but certainly has everybody talking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why stop Trident? thats there as a deterant, and its worked so far!

Lots of other things to look at first, big corporations abusing the tax system, benefit cheats, giving our hard earned (for those of us who work)to countries such as India/Pakistan/EU.

Then the rest of us may, just may be able to live a bit better

I agree 100%.Lots of things the government can do but will not do.They,as much as anyone are abusing the system they put in place in the first instance.Trident is 1 example....Glad you mentioned the foreign aid thin.Especially India!!!Did you know they have their own Space program and we still give them massive aid with no stipulations!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A grass is worse than a benefit cheat in my book

and why do you think this is the case then ?"

Just my opinion jacs. It does piss me off big time that in our society it's the hard working folk who are worse off. And these benefit cheats get everything paid for them. However I don't think I could grass on someone. I like my sleep at night too much x

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By *eenonfun2Couple over a year ago

Glasgow

yes I did, and they just spent millions on new aircraft!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"eh say nothing am no grass what do people get out of grassing on people just twisred people the grasses arent really going to b any better of

so if my tax is reduced because im not paying for benefit cheats how am i no better of?..if it was coming out of your pocket would you say the same ?"

IF...the government were able to clamp down and stop all benefit cheats...we would still be no better off financially as individuals - all money recouped or saved would only be redirected to fund other areas...can you really see the government giving any of us a financial breather???...I doubt it very much

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By *adgeeMan over a year ago

Sw Scotland

"so if my tax is reduced because im not paying for benefit cheats how am i no better of?..if it was coming out of your pocket would you say the same ?"

Wishful thinking if you think your taxes are going to be reduced once they find benefit cheats, however, i do get your point

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By *adgeeMan over a year ago

Sw Scotland

The very people who are responsible for eradicating this from the system are "at it" aswell. How long have they been getting away with claiming expenses on top of their well above average salaries?

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By *adgeeMan over a year ago

Sw Scotland

"The very people who are responsible for eradicating this from the system are "at it" aswell. How long have they been getting away with claiming expenses on top of their well above average salaries?"

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i will not grass on no one.look at me i got my own house and a nice car and i dont work never have.i just sell a bit here and there if u no what i meen.it is hard times out there so u got to do what ever it takes u to do..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"dla pe ar ok as the ned help and a doctor has sed so and this is fin but wen u giv it to pep that get it for us drugs then we dont think the shud get it as it ther owen folt ther liek this all the pep that us elegal drugs shed get nothing at all as thev dun this to ther selvs put them all on a ieland a way from desant fok and let them get on with kiling them selvs but we grug paing thes scrungers a penny and het them ther a west of spes and a wast of a lief but the chos it then the shud pay for it not us and a doctor shed not pas thes pep at all no mater wot the just the scum of the cuntry

Just wondering what language this is?

Was thinking the same very funny. Education Education Education!"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you knew someone was fiddling the system would you report it or say nothing ?

I know lots of folk who do...... I say nothing.

A grass is worse than a benefit cheat in my book "

Utter bollocks.

You're happy for these spongers to take your tax payments by fraudulent methods?

I'm not.

Dob them in every time!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Think most people would cheat in one way or another if they knew they would get away with it"

Then we must not be "most people".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Oppps got slightly carried away there lol. Auds.x

No Auds, you didn't. Just because you both work you get penalised.

It's an unfair system.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Listen, not every one is getting it easy. Our poor MP`S are getting their pay frozen again for the second year running , they are being kept on £65,OOO a year , poor things.What a friggin sham.

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By *urioduoCouple over a year ago

lanarkshire

I find it very hard to believe that anyone who is on benefits with kids and struggling to make ends meet and when someone comes along saying I will pay you a few quid cash in hand for a few hours a week they would actually turn this down, I think the people who should be demonised are the unscrupulous employers who are actually praying on people in these situations. I am one of the people who, like many who have commented here, has worked all my life and never claimed benefits and yes I have said benefits cheats etc etc but in all honesty if I was in same situation I think I would do exactly the same to provide that bit extra for my family.

just my thoughts

Jim xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Was made redundant in 2010. In the 18 months since I have managed to find 2 temp positions that lasted 4 months each.

So in 18 months I've been out of work 14 months.

Even went back to working the doors but due to dislocating my patella trying to break up a fight I retired,

Anyway I have a friend on DLA and has been out of work since the mid 80's.

He discovered the DWP pay out to grasses.

What does he do,,,,,,,,,tops up his benefit grassing others.

Goes against my grain but he runs a small business from home and his missus works. Then do they declare the £200 a month rent they charge a daughter still living at home, or the same they are charging for her sick mother who also stays with them.

Not to mention the child minding fees they charge their other two for looking after GRANDKIDS whilst they go out to work.

Don't get me started on Housing benefits when I have a mortgage that I still have to pay every month with no help from the social.

Yes moving into a leaky old monastery was a good move.......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have reported someone, and would do so again if I thought it was a major fiddle not just someone getting an extra tenner a week

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By *adgeeMan over a year ago

Sw Scotland

"If you knew someone was fiddling the system would you report it or say nothing ? "

I know the difference between right and wrong but I'd never report anyone for fiddling the system. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just my opinion mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you knew someone was fiddling the system would you report it or say nothing ?

I know the difference between right and wrong but I'd never report anyone for fiddling the system. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just my opinion mind. "

Why is it wrong to report them?

Am I missing something?

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

Ok so for those saying you wouldnt grass lets put it another way ...if you saw someone take someones wallet or purse from their bag or whatever would u turn a blind eye ? ..becauise if thats the case we might as well open our purse and say to these people here help yourselfs to our money because in effect thats what they are doing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The entire system shafts every single one of us, every day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The entire system shafts every single one of us, every day."

Possibly. Your point?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It isn't benefit cheats that are the problem in society.

It's bannkers, and landords.

Greedy cunts the lot of them.

You don't see rent prices going down much these days, but everyone who works is finding it harder and harder.

The landlords still continue to put up their rent, in line with 'inflation'

And who subsidises the rent of people who cannot afford to pay?

That's more money from the people who actually work going straight into the pocket of wealthy businessmen.

Who do you blame the most for this complete and utter mess society is in?

The man who wants to be his own boss and steal from others to put a roof over their head, or the man who values his own free time over wealth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bet theres more partner cheaters on here than benefit cheats!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bet theres more partner cheaters on here than benefit cheats!

Hahaha...whole new can of worms

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By *z ThongzWoman over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Having posted my opinion on this thread , I have recieved a personal message from someone , could i just say if anyone else wishes to run my opinion down , please do so in the public forum for all to see and keep the personal attacks out of my inbox. I have no problem posting the message on here for all to see and my reply to it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you can post it in the forum you should do.The person obviously didn`t want others to see it so you should post it Loz.

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By *z ThongzWoman over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Obviously rabbus , but i have asked him to stop with the mails or i will report him .

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By *adgeeMan over a year ago

Sw Scotland

"If you knew someone was fiddling the system would you report it or say nothing ?

I know the difference between right and wrong but I'd never report anyone for fiddling the system. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just my opinion mind.

Why is it wrong to report them?

Am I missing something?"

I don't think your missing anything at all, i guess it's a difference in opinions. The OP asked if I/We would "shop" or "grass" on benefit cheats. I wouldn't, whether that's right, wrong or indifferent in anyone elses opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Could always just block him.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would if it was a politician.

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By *ust JoanWoman over a year ago

caerphilly

"To be truthful yes I would a few years ago

But now no cause ya know what good on em

If the system is bollocks then its bollocks

Wouldnt do it myself but if the thick twats that run it canna sort it then WTF do we pay em for??

Worked all my life and now lost everything through the rescission and personal circumstances

Fighting back thou but does anyone in the system want ta know or help?

Do they fuck !!!!!!!!!

So im actually beginning to feel whos the twat ?

The bugger thats always been on the dole and cheating the system

Or me??????????????

I totally agree with Soapy here, we to lost everything 4 years ago, we both had well paid jobs, a nice house newish car, then within 2 months we were both made redundant, lost everything we had worked our whole lives for. Now living in rented accommodation, cheap car just to get us around and minimal income, but we will be back up there one day!

So if someone can get a couple of days a week working cash in hand then good luck to them I say, after all they will be working for minimal wages say around £25-£30 per day the extra £50-£60 makes all the difference, we know cos we were there once!

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By *omaMan over a year ago

Glasgow

We all know or have heard of someone who cheats the system. The system being the taxes etc the working person has to pay.

We see the same faces in the pub all day, every day.

They all have a packet of fags, a blackberry, a 42 inch plasma on the wall and a studded collared Mastiff eating steak.

To be told by one of these wasters, whom i know hasnt worked a day in his life, to " Get back to your work and earn my dole money" enraged me.....Ive always said "You should only get out what you put in" Benefits should only be paid to people who have worked for them.

No work, No Benefits.....that goes for ALL benefits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

the system is set up to be abused as _adgee said when they sort there own house out then sort out others, I worked for 26 years and left my job when I went to the broo yipp am a weegie lol they treated me like a piece of shite, now there cant be anyone on the site or off it who has done a homer no matter what there trade and declared it to the tax man so what is fraud I'll let you all decide

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you knew someone was fiddling the system would you report it or say nothing ?

I know the difference between right and wrong but I'd never report anyone for fiddling the system. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just my opinion mind.

Why is it wrong to report them?

Am I missing something?

It was the 2 wrongs don't make a right bit I didn't understand.

Reporting a crime is never wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The issue isn't on people who are on benefit hon. The issue is those who cheat the system. You are right if you are on benefits you shouldn't be able to afford luxuries.

However we all know those who are on benefits and live a life of luxury cheating the system. Mainly by working while claiming , claiming as single when having a partner and having more sprogs as the going rate for each additional sprog is about a hundred a week

"OH to be able to sit in judgement would be absolutely fantastic.

Have read this thread with interest and have laughed at the designer cars and handbags , i would love to know how these people who are supposedly on benefits actually afford to do it.

I am on benefits , a single parent and have an eight year old with a heart condition.

I cant buy a house , or a car , i cant take my kid on holiday and as someone else said even the basic clothes , food and bills are hard to meet.

Just my tuppenceworth."

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"the system is set up to be abused as _adgee said when they sort there own house out then sort out others, I worked for 26 years and left my job when I went to the broo yipp am a weegie lol they treated me like a piece of shite, now there cant be anyone on the site or off it who has done a homer no matter what there trade and declared it to the tax man so what is fraud I'll let you all decide "

i dont have the type of job to do a hommer neither does my hubby so no we've never done it .

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By *omaMan over a year ago

Glasgow

Never done a "homer".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Never done a homer either.

Watched him a few times though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

neither have I mr tax man honest lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont want the government to start a witch hunt. as for every person that cheats the system intentionally there are others who may cheat out of desperation to feed there family.

Noone is right or wrong only opinions.

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By *aucy3Couple over a year ago

glasgow

i never thought i would,but i know of a company.

that pays less than,

point zero zero two per cent tax.

(£11.1 billion profit,£1.92 million tax paid).

fuck it,i'm grassing,it's barclays bank.i suspect other banks practice similar deception.

there i've said it,they'll defo get caught now.

ps is there a hotline to grass banks.

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By *1cebren4uWoman over a year ago

clydebank

Jacs i know this is a good topic but i take it someone has peed you off to write this post babes xxxxxxx

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By *nTCouple over a year ago

funland

if i can get someone to do a homer then i will. we both work, have never signed on in my life and dont know how to - but still cant afford not to get homers - i also get my fags cheap; so what does trhat make me coz i do pay my taxes????

as for benefit frauds - nope dont agree with them but nope wouldnt report them either. yes they are robbing from the taxpayers but so were the government when they robbed my taxes to bail out the bankers without my permission - legally right - morally wrong!!

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"Jacs i know this is a good topic but i take it someone has peed you off to write this post babes xxxxxxx"

Nope not at all brennie just think its a topic worth talking about and something i feel strongly about .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i never thought i would,but i know of a company.

that pays less than,

point zero zero two per cent tax.

(£11.1 billion profit,£1.92 million tax paid).

fuck it,i'm grassing,it's barclays bank.i suspect other banks practice similar deception.

there i've said it,they'll defo get caught now.

ps is there a hotline to grass banks.

About 10 years ago there was an article that stated that the year before BP had paid a token £1 in tax

Not waht ya know is it?? xx

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By *aucy3Couple over a year ago

glasgow

"i never thought i would,but i know of a company.

that pays less than,

point zero zero two per cent tax.

(£11.1 billion profit,£1.92 million tax paid).

fuck it,i'm grassing,it's barclays bank.i suspect other banks practice similar deception.

there i've said it,they'll defo get caught now.

ps is there a hotline to grass banks.

About 10 years ago there was an article that stated that the year before BP had paid a token £1 in tax

Not waht ya know is it?? xx

yep,the bigger the company,the less they pay.

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By *az n _avy42Couple over a year ago

Ayr

I know how you feel - when i needed help when i looked after my dad i had to fight for everything and got very very little in return Jaz

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By *avy42Man over a year ago

Ayrshire

if a junkie was sitting there with a 42inch plazma, a car better than mine,

mobile phones,(blackberry) top o the range lap top, getting everything from dss, for there drugs, and also working, yes a would grass them up,

if a family struggling on dole and need extra cash to live from day to day and pay bills, good on them if they make a few quid more to feed there kds and keep a roof over there head

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By *avy42Man over a year ago

Ayrshire

a could go on and on, as what the goverment give to people to live off is fuck all, try and kick the non u,k people out of u,k give us our jobs back, with decent wage there would be no benifit cheats

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Did you know alchoholics get money to but drink????Bet it comes under disabillity too!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would report them. I have my own small business and am totally pissed off with pricing small jobs and not getting them. Then I find out that someone on benefits has done it cheap on the side. I am struggling to employ these days as things are tight. These people want to work without the inconvenience of tax etc.

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"I would report them. I have my own small business and am totally pissed off with pricing small jobs and not getting them. Then I find out that someone on benefits has done it cheap on the side. I am struggling to employ these days as things are tight. These people want to work without the inconvenience of tax etc. "

first posting on tax evation because this is exactly what it is as well as being a benefit cheat .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i would report them, simple as, and wouldnt think twice about it.

the could tell me any bleeding heart story they wanted, so what, they think their the only people that have got it tough?

try working 7 days a week, raising a disabled kid on your own (and no, i dont get any help or maintanence), paying for a private rent flat and having to sell your car cause you just couldnt afford to run it anymore.

Everyone struggles, just some people have to work harder to get themselves through it instead of resorting to theft

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"i would report them, simple as, and wouldnt think twice about it.

the could tell me any bleeding heart story they wanted, so what, they think their the only people that have got it tough?

Everyone struggles, just some people have to work harder to get themselves through it instead of resorting to theft"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a bittersweet symphony is life. You're a slave to money and then you die.

WHO is pulling the strings?

You're going to grass someone up who has no prospects in life and is just trying to make ends meet, but you still vote?

Then you are a hypocrite.

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By *andACouple over a year ago

glasgow

Don't know anyone who is cheating the system but really don't have an issue with people being reported if they are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Don't know anyone who is cheating the system but really don't have an issue with people being reported if they are."

Let someone else report the bastards to the people who are causing the problem in the first place.

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By *andACouple over a year ago

glasgow

The DWP?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The DWP?"

They're part of the government aren't they?

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By *andACouple over a year ago

glasgow

You seem a little worked up about all this.

What do you suggest, people pay more taxes so that benefits can be increased?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You seem a little worked up about all this.

What do you suggest, people pay more taxes so that benefits can be increased?"

What money people pay in tax hat goes towards benefits it's pretty small, not when you compare it to thing like the DEFENCE BUDGET

Why are people not complaining about that?

Because they look down their noses on people on welfare.

Not saying you do, but people do.

It's not easy being a working man, not when rent is so expensive.

Now why would rent be so expensive these days?

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By *andACouple over a year ago

glasgow

"You seem a little worked up about all this.

What do you suggest, people pay more taxes so that benefits can be increased?

What money people pay in tax hat goes towards benefits it's pretty small, not when you compare it to thing like the DEFENCE BUDGET

That's untrue. There was an article in one of the papers a couple of weeks ago about how the govt may give a breakdwon to everyone as to where their taxes go. It gave a few examples and the highest spend by far was on Benefits.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You seem a little worked up about all this.

What do you suggest, people pay more taxes so that benefits can be increased?

What money people pay in tax hat goes towards benefits it's pretty small, not when you compare it to thing like the DEFENCE BUDGET

Last I heard the defence budget was of the order of £20 Bil and the NHS was way less, and what is is spent on benefits was way less than that,

unless you include victims of the war on drugs.

Yes we are probably spending too much supporting people who could contribute, but for many it is a choice between benefits and wage/rent/tax slavery.

Bigger picture alert

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"if a junkie was sitting there with a 42inch plazma, a car better than mine,

mobile phones,(blackberry) top o the range lap top, getting everything from dss, for there drugs, and also working, yes a would grass them up,

if a family struggling on dole and need extra cash to live from day to day and pay bills, good on them if they make a few quid more to feed there kds and keep a roof over there head"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A debate like this is quite fascinating. You can learn something about the demographic from which we swingers tend to be drawn.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"if a junkie was sitting there with a 42inch plazma, a car better than mine

Not concerned about the third world 'workers' who brought made these inventions within the affordability of the poor at all then?

You can rest assure that they are getting a worse deal than any of us.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what you're saying is that if a state sponsored junkie is sat there with a 42" plasma, then everything in that scenario is bad, including the plasma!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not my plasma to say.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's late. You're tired. The pun is forgiven.

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By *urioduoCouple over a year ago

lanarkshire

I am amazed and the perception some people have about folks on benefits cars, plasma tv's holidays etc etc, I am not saying this doesnt happen it does but only in a very small percentage probably single figure percentage and is something that is fundamentally wrong with the system, the vast majority of people on benefits are living in near poverty and living from day to day struggling to put food on the table clothe their kids and pay bills, and if someone comes along and offers them a few extra quid for a cpl hours work I would very much doubt anyone would refuse put in same position to provide for their families, I have seem then called thieves surely the real thieves in these situations are the unscrupulous employers who prey on these people and are not paying corporate tax, collection PAYE tax and NI insurance contributions.

just my opinion right or wrong

Jim xx

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By *1cebren4uWoman over a year ago

clydebank

Think this topic is getting a bit out of hand looks like a war getting, this is a swinging site why not make love not war.

Brennie xxxxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nope, wouldn't report them. You never know anyone elses financial circumstances.

When it comes downt to it, there is nothing I wouldn't to to make sure my kids are ok

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"Think this topic is getting a bit out of hand looks like a war getting, this is a swinging site why not make love not war.

Brennie xxxxx "

Im sorry bren but i dont agree people are giving their opinions on the topic nothing more ...i think its actually making very intresting reading and many valid points have been made.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Think this topic is getting a bit out of hand looks like a war getting, this is a swinging site why not make love not war.

Brennie xxxxx

Im sorry bren but i dont agree people are giving their opinions on the topic nothing more ...i think its actually making very intresting reading and many valid points have been made.

I agree jacs....i think the opinions are actually quite tame tbh i expected this to be a much more emotive than it is considering the topic.....really interesting reading.....

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By *ewels74Woman over a year ago

Dundee/Angus/Blackpool

Its a great debate to just look and watch, and a very hot topic that im sure we all have thoughts on

xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am amazed and the perception some people have about folks on benefits"

You're absolutely right there. It's easy to get preoccupied with the extreme case, rather than the majority case.

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By *andACouple over a year ago

glasgow

Last I heard the defence budget was of the order of £20 Bil and the NHS was way less, and what is is spent on benefits was way less than that"

Welfare spending is more than twice what we spend on defence (and that's not including pensions, which is something I think we can disregard) Looked at some figures and the lowest ones have the bill at around £85 billion.

Defence spending is also about double the figure you have.

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By *ibs_n_SunniCouple over a year ago

Corfu

Think you guys could do with reading the details on the attached link

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/year_spending_2013UKbn_11bc1n_3040#ukgs302

Defence = 43.5 Billion

Health Care = 125.3 Billion

Defence Industries employ many from the uk working population.

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By *andACouple over a year ago

glasgow

That's one of the sites I'd looked at.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

the main culprits reported in the media are the incomers from other countries/immigrants, my point would be the system has become so easy to abuse that no wonder millions are spent every year. I wouldnt even know where to start claiming benefits if I wasnt working but the foreigners do! It is there for the people who really need it and god knows there are plenty of folk out there who do need support... I would grass up the cheats without a loss of sleep...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Screw them for everything you can I say.

I'm slowly building a revolutionary force and when the time is right we're gonna storm the parliament and palace n shoot the fuckers where they stand!!!

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By *affiaCouple over a year ago

cardiff

"Was made redundant in 2010. In the 18 months since I have managed to find 2 temp positions that lasted 4 months each.

So in 18 months I've been out of work 14 months.

Even went back to working the doors but due to dislocating my patella trying to break up a fight I retired,

Anyway I have a friend on DLA and has been out of work since the mid 80's.

He discovered the DWP pay out to grasses.

What does he do,,,,,,,,,tops up his benefit grassing others.

Not to mention the child minding fees they charge their other two for looking after GRANDKIDS whilst they go out to work.

Don't get me started on Housing benefits when I have a mortgage that I still have to pay every month with no help from the social.

Yes moving into a leaky old monastery was a good move......."

i can assure you that the DWP do not

pay for information recieved , the only payments abvailable are those fron crimestoppers. They should also declare that they are receiving payments from family members and their benefits are altered accordingly and if it is not declared and they are found out the DWP will prosecute for fraud and will attempt to recover all overpayments,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Benefit cheats are not a major problem in the UK actually. The reckon it comes to about 400million pounds per year. That works out at around 10 pounds per year stolen from each adult in the population.

You can contrast that figure with tax evasion. Tax evasion - conservative estimate - is approximately 12 billion per year. That excludes other possible taxations such as actually having the rich pay a form of VAT on financial transactions (like we do in the shops). If you include that we are talking a lot lot more.

Bung in the MPs with their expenses scandals. In fact bung in most people with the chance to do expenses because there is always a fiddle (estimated 1.2bil per year in expenses and gratuities tax evasion).

Then toss in the council housing scam where private landlords get 250 pounds per week for housing people who are homeless. All because the banks saw greater benefit in having people own their Council homes to sell them debt. The new windows, kitchens, etc. All a credit crop earner.

The brutal reality is benefit cheats are actually fairly rare. Don't confuse the millions in receipt of benefits with the thousands in the narco economy who happen to make money. Nor do many 'work on the side' in an economy of 3mil unemployed and far far more on Income Support.

Indeed, when you factor in the various tax breaks for employers, the loopholes and incentives that reward employers for employing people, the reality is much much more than the millions on JSA or IS are on benefits or being subsidised by the State.

If you feel frustration...take it to where it belongs. Our elites and our capitalists who have sold a pile of pap as an economy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

PS...workplace theft and petty pilfering, white collar fraud and embezzlement, are far greater in scope and hurt each and every one of us to a far greater cost than benefit fraud.

I don't think there is any great nobility in beating up those on their knees.

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By *lassic1Man over a year ago

bellshill

"Benefit cheats are not a major problem in the UK actually. The reckon it comes to about 400million pounds per year. That works out at around 10 pounds per year stolen from each adult in the population.

If you feel frustration...take it to where it belongs. Our elites and our capitalists who have sold a pile of pap as an economy. "

Ooooh.....I bet you wear a brown duffle coat

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

Benefit cheats are not a major problem in the UK actually. The reckon it comes to about 400million pounds per year

Foget the individual cost you think 40 million pounds a year in benefit fraud is nothing ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Benefit cheats are not a major problem in the UK actually. The reckon it comes to about 400million pounds per year

Foget the individual cost you think 40 million pounds a year in benefit fraud is nothing ?

Tell that to the people who are real tradesmen and are getting paid off because the benefits cheats are doing the work on the side. There are bigger costs than just what is paid out. Tax and national insurance is also evaded.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How many tradesmen do jobs on the fly then? How many work long hours and often 6 days per week so no-one else can get work? Why do they do it, to pay the rent?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How many tradesmen do jobs on the fly then? How many work long hours and often 6 days per week so no-one else can get work? Why do they do it, to pay the rent? "

Yes they do jobs on the side. But they are at least paying towards their keep by paying tax and NI. And they earn a lot less than these guys on the side charging sometimes over £100 per day tax free. If they want to work all they have to do is go to the tax office and fill a form in and become self employed like the rest of us who have done it. They dont want the inconvenience of having to do books and pay tax. Although they are the first to complain about government cuts and the Health Service

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How many tradesmen do jobs on the fly then? How many work long hours and often 6 days per week so no-one else can get work? Why do they do it, to pay the rent?

OK so what you are saying is it's ok to cheat the system as long as you are at least playing by some of the rules?

A lot of these tradesmen who bend the rules a little to make things easier for themselves are also into property, and make money out of renting often sub standard accommodation to people working full time on the minimum wage and charge inordinately high rates.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What a load of crap. Most tradesmen are employees. Working class people trying to scrape by. Doing small jobs for family and friends is OK in my book. Habitually working whilke claiming dole etc is totally wrong. Im not talking about those who are genuinely looking for work. I am talking about those who never work legaly and have no intention of doing so. They are scum who take all and give nothing. Its a sad world when they are better off than those working. If I am ill i get £65 per week end off. They get all their bills paid regardless. Its too easy for them to sponge off the state. Report them and free up the money for those who really need it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of crap. Most tradesmen are employees. Working class people trying to scrape by. Doing small jobs for family and friends is OK in my book. Habitually working whilke claiming dole etc is totally wrong. Im not talking about those who are genuinely looking for work. I am talking about those who never work legaly and have no intention of doing so. They are scum who take all and give nothing. Its a sad world when they are better off than those working. If I am ill i get £65 per week end off. They get all their bills paid regardless. Its too easy for them to sponge off the state. Report them and free up the money for those who really need it."

Given the choice, I would rather work on the side than in the system. First off I am getting robbed by the government who spend my tax on illegal and immoral wars/crusades, wars that I never agreed to fund in the first place. Then they spend a huge whack on the war on drugs. Then the council rob me off £100 per month a lot of which is spent on needless crap. And then most of what I have left goes towards paying the mortgage for the landlord/tradesman who 'owns' the house in which I live.

Is it any fucking wonder that so many people don't want to play by the rules these days?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You do have the choice. Work legaly or illegaly. Then feel free to go to the NHS and get treatment paid for by hard up working families. They will also pay for your bins to be emptied, yr towns kept clean, yr police force will help you, the fire brigade will save you, your shite will be taken to the sewage works, your rent will be paid, etc etc. All paid for by familes like ours who are skint but realise that its better to be decent and pay yr way than sponge of others

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You do have the choice. Work legaly or illegaly. Then feel free to go to the NHS and get treatment paid for by hard up working families. They will also pay for your bins to be emptied, yr towns kept clean, yr police force will help you, the fire brigade will save you, your shite will be taken to the sewage works, your rent will be paid, etc etc. All paid for by familes like ours who are skint but realise that its better to be decent and pay yr way than sponge of others"

Interesting that you assume in the first place that I want any of these services. No-one bothered to ask me. I would much rather have my freedoms. And who says that I have to pay rent to someone? The system?

Some people find it difficult to cope with the kind of unhealthy work patterns they are expected to take on, long working weeks, noise pollution making it difficult to sleep often also from tradesmen who think it is OK to run their business from home and park noisy vans on my street, poor catering by companies and no time to cook proper meals, all these factors contribute to poor health and some feel that they can't cope so opt out and become life long career benefits recipients.

The problem in the first instance is the system, not those who exploit it to find an easier way to survive. We are all guilty of taking liberties here and there, some more than others, whether it be someone who is working on the sly a couple of days a week because they can't find a full time job or cope with one, or the tradesman who does a few odd jobs on the side.

And of course the ones who are most to blame are not the ones at the bottom of the food chain, it's the ones at the top.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think its perfectly fair to assume 99.9% of these people want everything I mentioned. Theres nothing stopping you not using the NHS or any other public service. Nothing at all. If you dont want to pay rent live wild. Otherwise everyone should take up their responsibilites and not be so selfish.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think its perfectly fair to assume 99.9% of these people want everything I mentioned. Theres nothing stopping you not using the NHS or any other public service. Nothing at all. If you dont want to pay rent live wild. Otherwise everyone should take up their responsibilites and not be so selfish. "

Ok then I'll go and build myself a house somewhere out in the forest. Can't think for the life of me why I never thought of that before..

Oh yeah that's right, it's because all the land is owned by someone else.

I would like a police force that is there to protect me, but it kind of seems they are only there to take away my rights.

Bin collection once a month is normally suffice.

As for the NHS, fat lot of use they are anyway, if I ever get cancer or anything like I plan to take the easy way out. Other than that they are just a dispensary for the pharmaceutical industry, meanwhile more holistic medicines remain banned by the government, with innocent people going to prison for it.

So with the bigger picture in mind, why do people still seek to blame the least fortunate in society and those with no prospects in life?

You want to do something about it, then stop voting for the people who are causing all these problems in the first place, or stop whining about it and get on with your own life as best you can, like everyone else does.

Where do you think the money from benefits cheats and working class tax dodgers would go if we could put an end to it, do you think you would be any better off?

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By *lassic1Man over a year ago

bellshill

Is it any fucking wonder that so many people don't want to play by the rules these days?

I take it you voted at the election......I bet I know who for as well.....All the above happened on thier watch. !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it you voted at the election......I bet I know who for as well.....All the above happened on thier watch. !!!

I voted for that two faced war mongering bush sucking lying bastard in 1997 actually, and it's the last time I ever or will ever vote again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You should change yr name as there is an extreme lack of intelligence. My wife and I have both had brain tumours in the past 2 years and the NHS were great.

And BTW even bin collections once a month have to be paid for

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You should change yr name as there is an extreme lack of intelligence. My wife and I have both had brain tumours in the past 2 years and the NHS were great.

And BTW even bin collections once a month have to be paid for"

So rather than putting up a viable argument you thought you'd just resort to petty insults.

Most of the bins that get collected weekly round here are less than half empty, yet this was one of the main issues raised by my local MP, to retain weekly bin collections. Most of the rest of the rubbish I accumulate is sorted into recycling bins and picked up every few months.

If you think suggesting less frequent collections thus saving money makes me stupid, then I don't hold much faith in your own mental capacity.

A proper NHS should be centred more about prevention rather than cure, as should working patterns. Stress is one of the biggest factors in causing cancer.

try and look at the bigger picture.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Even if the NHS was centred around prvention it would still need paid for. Recycling costs money to collect and sort. It is sold at a loss.

And if your world was real everyone in the public sector would be unemployed as there would be no money to employ them. The bigger picture sir is outside in the real world. Not sitting in an overpriced house paid for by others exploiting those who work to pay for your lifestyle. Including the compter and electricity you use to talk such nonsense

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Even if the NHS was centred around prvention it would still need paid for. Recycling costs money to collect and sort. It is sold at a loss.

Your argument sucks balls and you are being even more insulting so I'm not going to continue discussing this with you. FYI everything I own I paid for by earning money through work. Sadly though not the house I currently live in, can't afford such luxuries. Nice to know that a huge whack of my wages is funding someone else's retirement holiday.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Glad you work to earn yr money. As long as you pay tax and NI on it I dont see what yr moaning about. If you dont you are a loser . Simple as.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it you voted at the election......I bet I know who for as well.....All the above happened on thier watch. !!!

I voted for that two faced war mongering bush sucking lying bastard in 1997 actually, and it's the last time I ever or will ever vote again."

Careful with that one simply because if you cease to vote you cease to have the right to moan about anything you disagree with politically

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

looks like someone grassed rangers in

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it you voted at the election......I bet I know who for as well.....All the above happened on thier watch. !!!

I voted for that two faced war mongering bush sucking lying bastard in 1997 actually, and it's the last time I ever or will ever vote again.

Careful with that one simply because if you cease to vote you cease to have the right to moan about anything you disagree with politically"

Oh that old chest nut. Sorry to burst your bubble but it's actually the other way around. You've got no right to complain if you DO vote, because it's voting that gives these people the political leverage to continue dictating to us all how we should live our lives, to steal our taxes and spend it on pointless wars etc etc..

Tell me then, oh wise one, when was the last time that voting ever actually changed anything?

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By *ilandlarryCouple over a year ago

more north lincs than mids!

I think this has gone way off course.

There is no need for personal insults and mud slinging. If you don't like what someone says by all means debate it but please do not make it a personal attack!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I just knew somewhere down the line this would cause animosity

Buboo

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

LoL Rangers fiasco is gonna get worse just wait while the slimy getts get away with borrowing millions to pay one debt only to liquidate and pick it back up for a song without paying the people they owe money to.. thats massive fiddle diddle.

But I also look at junkys and alcaholics running about in new cars claiming disabilty and see how much comes off my tax to pay for it...

Both tyeps of fraudsters are scum , how do we make one lot pay for the other...

and yes I would be the low life grass if I had the evidence on either..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ill add another rant , after saving hard all year a couple of years back and booking the cheapest holiday we could get we had to endure a group of 5 adults and six kids of one family boasting how they got there "pay" through just in time before they left...how they just got there frigging new 42 inch tv and the rest. Weve only managed 2 holidays in 9 years with our 4 kids and we couldnt afford the all inclusive they were on... and only to find out later not a single one worked or had .. The pay was there benifits ... I was more than bloody angry especially at them boasting about it......

Benifits were brought in to provide the basics you need, food, shelter and clothing .. Anymore and you work for it.. This subject gets me too angry

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By *ussman1Man over a year ago

Paisley

If you are working you pay tax and indirectly are giving money to the criminals who do not declare or pay tax.IN every case report them,they are the dregs of society. Part of the reason the country is in the state that it is in.

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By *adgeeMan over a year ago

Sw Scotland

"LoL Rangers fiasco is gonna get worse just wait while the slimy getts get away with borrowing millions to pay one debt only to liquidate and pick it back up for a song without paying the people they owe money to.. thats massive fiddle diddle.

But I also look at junkys and alcaholics running about in new cars claiming disabilty and see how much comes off my tax to pay for it...

Both tyeps of fraudsters are scum , how do we make one lot pay for the other...

Season Tickets for the junkies?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

im actually amazed that there has been so much focus on people who work but dont declare for tax. i would have thought that a lot of the anger would be against i imagine the high % of people who have never even considered getting a job, who dont have respect for themselves let alone anyone else.

theres not much i can do about it, so i dont let it bother me but it doesnt let it stop me from having strong opinions about it.

i dont have a problem with tradesmen who go out and work their shift legitamately and maybe a do a homer or two to make things a little easier. ive never thought about people who actually work but dont declare it before, but now that i have i dont see why they should be entitled to use services that they dont contribute to. at the same time though at least they earn their money and dont hold the completely selfish attitude that the majority of unemployed people that i have experienced do which is they have the god given right to sit on their arse doing fuck all but drink, smoke and talk uneducated gutter shit while others fork out to afford them that life

if you told me ye could get a grand a week on benefits i still wouldnt swap places for a second with the folk i see hanging around outside the bru office, what a miserable existance it must be, no respect or dignity or purpose in life. no thanks, i'd happilly struggle on as i am.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

we spend more money on foreign aid than we do on fireman, nurses and prison officers put together. we are continuing to reap what we sowed decades ago when britannia ruled the waves, or more appropriately waived the rules. i personally find it astonishing that a man with 4 or 5 wives, some of them not even in this country, can claim benefits for each of these wives as they are classed as dependents. bigamy is illegal in this country...... go figure.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OK so let's suppose one of you upstanding pillars of society decides to grass up one of these families who live on benefits, and perhaps milk the system for a bit more than they are legally entitled to.. what then? Do they just go out and find a job like that? Meanwhile all these tradesmen are doing odd jobs on the side to pay for their mortgage and save up for their second home which they aim to rent out to subsidise their pension so they can have two holidays a year.... How are these families supposed to feed their children then, when they are in jail?

You all make so proud to be British.

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1 OP Woman over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

"OK so let's suppose one of you upstanding pillars of society decides to grass up one of these families who live on benefits, and perhaps milk the system for a bit more than they are legally entitled to.. what then? Do they just go out and find a job like that? Meanwhile all these tradesmen are doing odd jobs on the side to pay for their mortgage and save up for their second home which they aim to rent out to subsidise their pension so they can have two holidays a year.... How are these families supposed to feed their children then, when they are in jail?

You all make so proud to be British."

well maybe these people should think of the impact on their familys if they do get caught out ...as the saying goes if they cant do the time dont do the crime

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You all make so proud to be British.

well maybe these people should think of the impact on their familys if they do get caught out ...as the saying goes if they cant do the time dont do the crime

OK, so supposing rather than just minding our own business, we grass them up and they go to jail. How much is that going to cost the tax payer then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You all make so proud to be British."

why do you still live in this country if your not happy here? if i were you, i would leave, no one is forcing you to stay here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"why do you still live in this country if your not happy here? if i were you, i would leave, no one is forcing you to stay here"

Money.

If I could live abroad, say Holland again I would be there in a shot. Soon as I get my old job back there, I'm gone tomorrow..

My experience of living in Europe is that the people there are generally much more friendly. The weather is better and the girls are hot as fuck. They even talk to you in bars when you are out, and they smile at you as well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I REALLY STILL THINK THIS FORUM POST NEEDS CLOSED

Buboo

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I REALLY STILL THINK THIS FORUM POST NEEDS CLOSED

Buboo "

Why? The argument is heated, but no-one is being rude to anyone, well not since yesterday, a minor skirmish.

I like a heated debate. I vote it stays open. If you don't like it, then don't join in, simple as. And if you want the thread closed why not just report the thread instead of derailing it with comments such as this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thats me told aff ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i read somewhere up there^^ that u didn 't vote

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

lol I'm out, throwing the towel in. Yeah I don't vote and I'm an opinionated wanker. Someone give me a shout if this thread manages to get back on topic. Off to start reading some of my valentine's cards now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So its OK to work in Holland but not here??

And scroungers very very rarely get jailed. They get their money stopped and miraculously most of them manage to find work and dont die of starvation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Grass grass grass oh how I love grass lol

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By *adgeeMan over a year ago

Sw Scotland

"why do you still live in this country if your not happy here? if i were you, i would leave, no one is forcing you to stay here

Money. If I could live abroad, say Holland again I would be there in a shot. Soon as I get my old job back there, I'm gone tomorrow..

"Grass grass grass oh how I love grass lol"

I hear the grass is greener in Holland

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ok who do you grass the guy claiming benefits and working on the side or the employer who thinks to him/herself im needing this done and can pay someone off the books less than employing them on the books but remember if you grass off the guy working while claiming benefits he get caught has to stop working, does the employer employ that guy on the books or does he/she get someone else who is claiming benefits. The only way to stop them employers is to have zero unemployment, Do you grass off the employer for having people working for them and not on the books? If they get caught they get large fine and to pay for that fine they have to pay off employees that are on the books

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By *1cebren4uWoman over a year ago

clydebank

lil i asked for this to be closed ages ago as i saw this post was going to get messy and like most of the posts in the forum they normally do xx but a good post and most of it good reading xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok who do you grass the guy claiming benefits and working on the side or the employer who thinks to him/herself im needing this done and can pay someone off the books less than employing them on the books but remember if you grass off the guy working while claiming benefits he get caught has to stop working, does the employer employ that guy on the books or does he/she get someone else who is claiming benefits. The only way to stop them employers is to have zero unemployment, Do you grass off the employer for having people working for them and not on the books? If they get caught they get large fine and to pay for that fine they have to pay off employees that are on the books "

Simple answer is yes. But most of these people are working for people privately so wouldnt apply.

And the word grass makes it sound as if you are the one in the wrong. People who say never grass would change their mind if I saw someone breaking into their house and wouldnt tell them who it was. Or assaulting one of their family etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Probally no one on here knows exactally how the system works, they may think they do but they don't.

If you ask the right questions to the right people, you'll how it works and you'll be shocked.

Example: In all Jobcenters Plus (as there called now) the so-called secruity guards are NOT secruity guards they are Customer Care Officers and by right they should be charged with impersonating a security guard which is an offence to do so.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Probally no one on here knows exactally how the system works, they may think they do but they don't.

If you ask the right questions to the right people, you'll how it works and you'll be shocked.

And they don't allow you to drink bottled water when you are in there, or at least they tell me off when they catch me. I still do it. That's probably illegal as well, right?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Rangers???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Probally no one on here knows exactally how the system works, they may think they do but they don't.

If you ask the right questions to the right people, you'll how it works and you'll be shocked.

And they don't allow you to drink bottled water when you are in there, or at least they tell me off when they catch me. I still do it. That's probably illegal as well, right?"

lovesexintelligence, well it won't put it passed me if say something like that.

But for all yous that are moaning about it, no moans about the crooked MP and MSPs frauding the public "money" and Jobcenters Plus misuse of "money" aswell along many others I could list.

The whole system is corrupt to the core and it was designed that way it's rocket science.

I could say so much on the DWP and other agencies including the 0845 number scam. Which rakes millions each year and keeping people hold for along as possible switching for indivdual to another.

If anyone thinks for one minute that there "tax money" goes to help the DWP and people on any type of benefit then they very mislead/misinform regardless what the officals say as it is documented it does not.

Look in Hansards that the government transcripts of the lords and commons.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

actually in reply to this, I would report both the employer, and the employee

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"actually in reply to this, I would report both the employer, and the employee"

So you'd report the employer if he was employing a scummy benefit scrounge, but not a hard working tradesman doing a bit of work on the side off his own back?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

actually in reply to this, I would report both the employer, and the employee"

That was my point hun cos there is so much on here about the benefit cheats lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

actually in reply to this, I would report both the employer, and the employee"

atomicraven, sorry to say, i don't think you understand the legality of this or the system. Your taking for verbatim what the government officals told and put out via the media etc.

No crys of people waving the banners at corruption of greedy politicians at all levels throughout the UK and that government giving hand out to other countries and corporations aswell as foregin indivduals living in the UK "illegaly" which don't even have to give.

Of course the blame always falls on employer and employee never the root cause of things including the greedy politicians and banks/banking system

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course the blame always falls on employer and employee never the root cause of things including the greedy politicians and banks/banking system"

What he said

As always society seeks to pass blame on the most disadvantaged, very narrow minded IMO

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"Of course the blame always falls on employer and employee never the root cause of things including the greedy politicians and banks/banking system

What he said

As always society seeks to pass blame on the most disadvantaged, very narrow minded IMO"

Everybody who cheats the system is doing wrong and no it's not narrow minded it's just the truth!

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