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"Leave her. Why should the lives of soldiers, or whoever is tasked with the job of rescuing her, be jeopardised for her? She's shown fuck all remorse. It's horrible that a wee baby is involved in this but are children's lives not being put at risk by bringing her back into the country? As Megatongue says though, I fear that legally, the government do have an obligation here as she no other citizenship."  | |||
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"Nobody wants her to return but i have no doubt she will come back and be given a new identity for her own protection. " I think she'll be coming back and spending a very long time in prison | |||
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"How do we know it’s a baby under her clothing? It could be explosives. Has anyone checked? Will anyone check? Who should check? Are there any dogging spots in Glasgow?"  | |||
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"Leave her. Why should the lives of soldiers, or whoever is tasked with the job of rescuing her, be jeopardised for her? She's shown fuck all remorse. It's horrible that a wee baby is involved in this but are children's lives not being put at risk by bringing her back into the country? As Megatongue says though, I fear that legally, the government do have an obligation here as she no other citizenship." They can’t leave her stateless so it’s a tricky one. I personally don’t think she should be allowed to come back, she says she doesn’t regret going she has shown no remorse, if they do let her back then I think they will do their damndest to charge with something. I’d worry she’d start trying to radicalise those round her, it’s a quandary indeed | |||
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"Leave her. Why should the lives of soldiers, or whoever is tasked with the job of rescuing her, be jeopardised for her? She's shown fuck all remorse. It's horrible that a wee baby is involved in this but are children's lives not being put at risk by bringing her back into the country? As Megatongue says though, I fear that legally, the government do have an obligation here as she no other citizenship. They can’t leave her stateless so it’s a tricky one. I personally don’t think she should be allowed to come back, she says she doesn’t regret going she has shown no remorse, if they do let her back then I think they will do their damndest to charge with something. I’d worry she’d start trying to radicalise those round her, it’s a quandary indeed " It's not the governments issue at all. In life you take responsibility for your own actions. Block her from getting into the country and leave her to it! Let her see how little she means to her so called militant colleagues. | |||
"I fear the government(Tories) are using a nasty person who has committed no crimes but has nasty enough views to be widely hated, to create a precedent for removing citizenship from people without any kind of fair legal process, and that this is part of the general drift towards a less free society. The bigger picture is terrifying. " I agree with your comments but believe they should pass a bill saying that terrorists and their family’s can be stripped of citizenship. Why should peoples lives be put at risk in this country? Why should we pay taxes to support the costs of bringing her back, her stay in prison and the cost of raising her child? The cost alone of the surveillance on her family already here must be astounding. | |||
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But send her to convent when she is back and rehome the kid. Sorted, she has had too much publicity. | |||
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"By leaving her and turning our back on her, she will become another idol for anti-British/western views. She should be brought back but kept imprisioned, questioned for intel and de-radicalised. She has been groomed from about 15 years old, convinced to come to a country in turmoil, married off and impregnated (this is her third child, precious 2 died as babies). If this was a white 15 year old girl that was groomed and “taken” to another country, I wonder what the reaction would be! " Exactly what i was thinking too | |||
"By leaving her and turning our back on her, she will become another idol for anti-British/western views. She should be brought back but kept imprisioned, questioned for intel and de-radicalised. She has been groomed from about 15 years old, convinced to come to a country in turmoil, married off and impregnated (this is her third child, precious 2 died as babies). If this was a white 15 year old girl that was groomed and “taken” to another country, I wonder what the reaction would be! " She made a choice. An idol for anti British/western views??? Really?? I'd have thought the opposite. Here's what happens, do what you want, no matter what as a last resort the uk will take you back and everything will be fine, win win! | |||
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"She was groomed at 15. Is that really making a choice??? " That would depend on her wouldn't it! Google Gillick competence for competence to consent in the world of medicine under the age of 16 and the law in Scotland is different again. Don't assume an individual of 15 is incapable of making and informed decision. She was able to decide she wanted to move to a different country and assist in terrorism. Children don't often make these decisions. | |||
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"She was groomed at 15. Is that really making a choice??? " 15 you know right from wrong! When I was 15 I wouldn't have known how to travel abroad myself yet she did so I'd say she defo knew what she was doing .the only reason this girl wants back is for her child's safety..her beliefs have not changed. | |||
"She left on her own free will. You made her bed, now lie in it my dear "This is pish , you made yer bed now lie in it , if a woman married a man she knew had violent tendancies when d*unk , would you give her the same advice . You married him set up home.in other words you made yer bed now lie in it. Suffer that domestic abuse. No you wouldnt would you ? Cant give much of a comment on this girl and her baby as i dont know the details but from what i glean in here , if shes a British citizen she should be allowed back and if crimes have been committed then face British justice. If no crimes then im afraid thats it. Sounds like this girl was 15 when she left, a child , | |||
"Do we have evidence she’s been making her bed? Quite a few threads on this making that claim. Yet it appears unsubstantiated as of yet. " Can the government not test her on her bed making skills? ?? If she can’t even make a bed she will be no use at making bombs. | |||
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"She was groomed at 15. Is that really making a choice??? That would depend on her wouldn't it! Google Gillick competence for competence to consent in the world of medicine under the age of 16 and the law in Scotland is different again. Don't assume an individual of 15 is incapable of making and informed decision. She was able to decide she wanted to move to a different country and assist in terrorism. Children don't often make these decisions. " But she wasn't groomed at 15, she was probably groomed from around 10 or 11, so everyone on here with kids, would you consider an 11 year old capable of making this choice? and bear in mind that this is much older men doing the grooming. | |||
"Leave her I highly doubt that the father hasn’t got any other kids If she is allowed in to have the child then the father will be over, all his other children will be allowed over, all his other children’s mothers will then be allowed over and all of his other children’s fathers will be allowed over and before we know it we will be overrun with even more of the evil, terrorist sympathising scum She made the choice to go over so she should live with the consequences " Her husband is dead. | |||
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"I say leave her. But if we do let her come back she should stand trial as an enemy of the state and face life behind bars. Im getting sick of this "But she was brainwashed" shit. She was made a bunch of promises that had Isil won they would of carried out. The fact is she knew fine well before she left people were being slaughtered and she thought it was acceptable. Mr" And you wouldn't fight for your country if it were your "people" being slaughtered? We do the same kind of thing to people in our armed forces, de-programme the societal stigma of taking a human life, then programme them to find it acceptable. It's why they have psychological support in the forces. | |||
"She was groomed at 15. Is that really making a choice??? That would depend on her wouldn't it! Google Gillick competence for competence to consent in the world of medicine under the age of 16 and the law in Scotland is different again. Don't assume an individual of 15 is incapable of making and informed decision. She was able to decide she wanted to move to a different country and assist in terrorism. Children don't often make these decisions. But she wasn't groomed at 15, she was probably groomed from around 10 or 11, so everyone on here with kids, would you consider an 11 year old capable of making this choice? and bear in mind that this is much older men doing the grooming. " | |||
"I say leave her. But if we do let her come back she should stand trial as an enemy of the state and face life behind bars. Im getting sick of this "But she was brainwashed" shit. She was made a bunch of promises that had Isil won they would of carried out. The fact is she knew fine well before she left people were being slaughtered and she thought it was acceptable. Mr And you wouldn't fight for your country if it were your "people" being slaughtered? We do the same kind of thing to people in our armed forces, de-programme the societal stigma of taking a human life, then programme them to find it acceptable. It's why they have psychological support in the forces. " Excellent comment | |||
"I say leave her. But if we do let her come back she should stand trial as an enemy of the state and face life behind bars. Im getting sick of this "But she was brainwashed" shit. She was made a bunch of promises that had Isil won they would of carried out. The fact is she knew fine well before she left people were being slaughtered and she thought it was acceptable. Mr And you wouldn't fight for your country if it were your "people" being slaughtered? We do the same kind of thing to people in our armed forces, de-programme the societal stigma of taking a human life, then programme them to find it acceptable. It's why they have psychological support in the forces. " She wasn't fighting for her country though. She was fighting (or at least taking part in a support role) for an enemy of her country. Mr | |||
"Leave her. Why should the lives of soldiers, or whoever is tasked with the job of rescuing her, be jeopardised for her? She's shown fuck all remorse. It's horrible that a wee baby is involved in this but are children's lives not being put at risk by bringing her back into the country? As Megatongue says though, I fear that legally, the government do have an obligation here as she no other citizenship. They can’t leave her stateless so it’s a tricky one. I personally don’t think she should be allowed to come back, she says she doesn’t regret going she has shown no remorse, if they do let her back then I think they will do their damndest to charge with something. I’d worry she’d start trying to radicalise those round her, it’s a quandary indeed " Legally there is no problem. Her parents are Bengali, with dual citizenship, so the UK Govt can strip her of her UK citizenship and she can go to India. | |||
"I say leave her. But if we do let her come back she should stand trial as an enemy of the state and face life behind bars. Im getting sick of this "But she was brainwashed" shit. She was made a bunch of promises that had Isil won they would of carried out. The fact is she knew fine well before she left people were being slaughtered and she thought it was acceptable. Mr And you wouldn't fight for your country if it were your "people" being slaughtered? We do the same kind of thing to people in our armed forces, de-programme the societal stigma of taking a human life, then programme them to find it acceptable. It's why they have psychological support in the forces. She wasn't fighting for her country though. She was fighting (or at least taking part in a support role) for an enemy of her country. Mr" Also most soldiers fighting a war do so within the rules set out by the Geneva convention. They burned people in cages for being Muslim and not supporting them, Decapitated westerners who never had ransoms paid and threw young men who it was suggested may be gay off buildings with their hands tied behind their backs then shot once they hit the ground. Mr | |||
"I say leave her. But if we do let her come back she should stand trial as an enemy of the state and face life behind bars. Im getting sick of this "But she was brainwashed" shit. She was made a bunch of promises that had Isil won they would of carried out. The fact is she knew fine well before she left people were being slaughtered and she thought it was acceptable. Mr And you wouldn't fight for your country if it were your "people" being slaughtered? We do the same kind of thing to people in our armed forces, de-programme the societal stigma of taking a human life, then programme them to find it acceptable. It's why they have psychological support in the forces. She wasn't fighting for her country though. She was fighting (or at least taking part in a support role) for an enemy of her country. Mr" Still her people though.. "But when I saw my first severed head in a bin it didn’t faze me at all. It was from a captured fighter seized on the battlefield, an enemy of Islam. I thought only of what he would have done to a Muslim woman if he had the chance.” Quite easy to see how they have conditioned her, quite a lot of people are calling for exactly the same kind of thing to happen to her, what with her being an enemy of the Uk and all... Infact, I believe someone mentioned putting her head on a stick as a warning to anyone else that wanted to join Daesh. | |||
"I say leave her. But if we do let her come back she should stand trial as an enemy of the state and face life behind bars. Im getting sick of this "But she was brainwashed" shit. She was made a bunch of promises that had Isil won they would of carried out. The fact is she knew fine well before she left people were being slaughtered and she thought it was acceptable. Mr And you wouldn't fight for your country if it were your "people" being slaughtered? We do the same kind of thing to people in our armed forces, de-programme the societal stigma of taking a human life, then programme them to find it acceptable. It's why they have psychological support in the forces. Excellent comment "it would be an excellent comment if it was true unfortunatly its not true our armed forces dont brainwash and there are very clear and strict rules of engagement as for our psycological support sorry thats severely lacking ask ex servicemen suffering from ptsd which the army wouldnt even recognise as real for a long time as it would cost to much to pay the damages | |||
"I say leave her. But if we do let her come back she should stand trial as an enemy of the state and face life behind bars. Im getting sick of this "But she was brainwashed" shit. She was made a bunch of promises that had Isil won they would of carried out. The fact is she knew fine well before she left people were being slaughtered and she thought it was acceptable. Mr And you wouldn't fight for your country if it were your "people" being slaughtered? We do the same kind of thing to people in our armed forces, de-programme the societal stigma of taking a human life, then programme them to find it acceptable. It's why they have psychological support in the forces. She wasn't fighting for her country though. She was fighting (or at least taking part in a support role) for an enemy of her country. Mr Also most soldiers fighting a war do so within the rules set out by the Geneva convention. They burned people in cages for being Muslim and not supporting them, Decapitated westerners who never had ransoms paid and threw young men who it was suggested may be gay off buildings with their hands tied behind their backs then shot once they hit the ground. Mr" Which is exactly why we should get her and her child away from them. It's amazing that christian cults get away with this all the time and the young women who eventually escape and bring their stories to life are greeted with sympathy and open arms, yet this woman who has been abused and conditioned, kept permanently pregnant, watched two of her children die and is terrified for the life of her 3rd, gets nothing but hatred. When she comes back it won't be plain sailing, she will face legal and psychiatric consequences for her actions, and it's probable that she will lose her 3rd child as it will be taken from her. Do you think if she had any other choice she would be doing this? | |||
"I say leave her. But if we do let her come back she should stand trial as an enemy of the state and face life behind bars. Im getting sick of this "But she was brainwashed" shit. She was made a bunch of promises that had Isil won they would of carried out. The fact is she knew fine well before she left people were being slaughtered and she thought it was acceptable. Mr And you wouldn't fight for your country if it were your "people" being slaughtered? We do the same kind of thing to people in our armed forces, de-programme the societal stigma of taking a human life, then programme them to find it acceptable. It's why they have psychological support in the forces. She wasn't fighting for her country though. She was fighting (or at least taking part in a support role) for an enemy of her country. Mr Still her people though.. "But when I saw my first severed head in a bin it didn’t faze me at all. It was from a captured fighter seized on the battlefield, an enemy of Islam. I thought only of what he would have done to a Muslim woman if he had the chance.” Quite easy to see how they have conditioned her, quite a lot of people are calling for exactly the same kind of thing to happen to her, what with her being an enemy of the Uk and all... Infact, I believe someone mentioned putting her head on a stick as a warning to anyone else that wanted to join Daesh. " She made her choice. Quite honestly I'd rather just leave her where she is and save the money that it would take to bring her back, support her child and her and put her on trial and surveillance etc and spend it on some extra waiting list clincs to see urgent referral cancer cases quicker, or invested in more cardiac services for individuals who have lived here their whole life, paid their taxes, never been a threat to anyone and who are waiting for the care and investigations they deserve. She made a decision, some you win, some you lose, but you live with it. You have no idea if this girl can be deradicalised. What it clear is she sees nothing wrong with what she's done. | |||
" And you wouldn't fight for your country if it were your "people" being slaughtered? We do the same kind of thing to people in our armed forces, de-programme the societal stigma of taking a human life, then programme them to find it acceptable. It's why they have psychological support in the forces. Excellent comment it would be an excellent comment if it was true unfortunatly its not true our armed forces dont brainwash and there are very clear and strict rules of engagement as for our psycological support sorry thats severely lacking ask ex servicemen suffering from ptsd which the army wouldnt even recognise as real for a long time as it would cost to much to pay the damages"Actually they do, it's not called brainwashing of course, but they are conditioned to "neutralise" threats. The swap from "wartime" force to "peacekeeping" force was a huge PR win, with forces personnel being given sensitivity training, more emphasis on negotiation and hostage negotiation tactics, but they are still conditioned to kill, compartmentalise the emotions, survive and return to command. And yes, they do mostly follow ROE, but not all the time and not in certain situations. They do in fact have Psychological support, pathetic though it is, my brother receives support from them after being blown up, he survived and is physically ok but suffers PTSD, which they are treating him for, I could only wish it was better. | |||
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"I say leave her. But if we do let her come back she should stand trial as an enemy of the state and face life behind bars. Im getting sick of this "But she was brainwashed" shit. She was made a bunch of promises that had Isil won they would of carried out. The fact is she knew fine well before she left people were being slaughtered and she thought it was acceptable. Mr And you wouldn't fight for your country if it were your "people" being slaughtered? We do the same kind of thing to people in our armed forces, de-programme the societal stigma of taking a human life, then programme them to find it acceptable. It's why they have psychological support in the forces. She wasn't fighting for her country though. She was fighting (or at least taking part in a support role) for an enemy of her country. Mr Still her people though.. "But when I saw my first severed head in a bin it didn’t faze me at all. It was from a captured fighter seized on the battlefield, an enemy of Islam. I thought only of what he would have done to a Muslim woman if he had the chance.” Quite easy to see how they have conditioned her, quite a lot of people are calling for exactly the same kind of thing to happen to her, what with her being an enemy of the Uk and all... Infact, I believe someone mentioned putting her head on a stick as a warning to anyone else that wanted to join Daesh. " | |||
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"She was groomed at 15. Is that really making a choice??? That would depend on her wouldn't it! Google Gillick competence for competence to consent in the world of medicine under the age of 16 and the law in Scotland is different again. Don't assume an individual of 15 is incapable of making and informed decision. She was able to decide she wanted to move to a different country and assist in terrorism. Children don't often make these decisions. " She left aged 15 she could have been getting groomed since she was 10 even younger we don’t know ! It takes abusers years working on children to cause rifts in a family And draw children away from their parents it doesn’t happen overnight | |||
"She was groomed at 15. Is that really making a choice??? That would depend on her wouldn't it! Google Gillick competence for competence to consent in the world of medicine under the age of 16 and the law in Scotland is different again. Don't assume an individual of 15 is incapable of making and informed decision. She was able to decide she wanted to move to a different country and assist in terrorism. Children don't often make these decisions. She left aged 15 she could have been getting groomed since she was 10 even younger we don’t know ! It takes abusers years working on children to cause rifts in a family And draw children away from their parents it doesn’t happen overnight " | |||
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"She put shudders through me with her,"yes i saw executions",normal folk would then follow that with,"it was horrendous",but not her, was nae bother, just another day,all very cold and matter o fact style. " It’s called self preservation you disconnect any emotion from it, ask survivors of abuse about what happened to them and a large majority will talk to you like it is normal and just one of those things, my friend can tell some gruesome stories about the ring that her grandad introduced her to one of the worst cases ever in Scottish history she’s wrote a book about it and she talks like it was literally a walk in the park | |||
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"She was groomed at 15. Is that really making a choice??? That would depend on her wouldn't it! Google Gillick competence for competence to consent in the world of medicine under the age of 16 and the law in Scotland is different again. Don't assume an individual of 15 is incapable of making and informed decision. She was able to decide she wanted to move to a different country and assist in terrorism. Children don't often make these decisions. She left aged 15 she could have been getting groomed since she was 10 even younger we don’t know ! It takes abusers years working on children to cause rifts in a family And draw children away from their parents it doesn’t happen overnight " | |||
"She was a young and vulnerable child brainwashed/groomed by a paedophile ring ! A very dangerous ring at that, but everyone keeps forgetting her age ! If that was a young white girl groomed and encouraged to leave her family for a cause she thought was right because she had been groomed to believe it would your opinions be different ? Anyone watched or read stories of victims of abuse defending their abusers, fighting with their families because they believe what their abusers have told them ? Netflix abducted in plain sight has had Facebook talking for months on the very same subject, yes she needs to be observed and possibly detained but she’s been pregnant since she left baby after baby who knows if it’s even the same father for all children or if she’s been had by numerous men, none of us truly know what she’s gone through but I thought Britain was a caring and compassionate country " | |||
"Leavr her there and send the family to her if they are that concerned for her" Couldn’t agree more | |||
"She was a young and vulnerable child brainwashed/groomed by a paedophile ring ! A very dangerous ring at that, but everyone keeps forgetting her age ! If that was a young white girl groomed and encouraged to leave her family for a cause she thought was right because she had been groomed to believe it would your opinions be different ? Anyone watched or read stories of victims of abuse defending their abusers, fighting with their families because they believe what their abusers have told them ? Netflix abducted in plain sight has had Facebook talking for months on the very same subject, yes she needs to be observed and possibly detained but she’s been pregnant since she left baby after baby who knows if it’s even the same father for all children or if she’s been had by numerous men, none of us truly know what she’s gone through but I thought Britain was a caring and compassionate country " | |||
"She put shudders through me with her,"yes i saw executions",normal folk would then follow that with,"it was horrendous",but not her, was nae bother, just another day,all very cold and matter o fact style. It’s called self preservation you disconnect any emotion from it, ask survivors of abuse about what happened to them and a large majority will talk to you like it is normal and just one of those things, my friend can tell some gruesome stories about the ring that her grandad introduced her to one of the worst cases ever in Scottish history she’s wrote a book about it and she talks like it was literally a walk in the park " I understand that but,in this case she had the luxury of avoiding all that by,,,not going? | |||
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"This is a dating site why have we got politics on here? ????" This a dating site! Feck I'm on the wrong site | |||
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" And you wouldn't fight for your country if it were your "people" being slaughtered? We do the same kind of thing to people in our armed forces, de-programme the societal stigma of taking a human life, then programme them to find it acceptable. It's why they have psychological support in the forces. Excellent comment it would be an excellent comment if it was true unfortunatly its not true our armed forces dont brainwash and there are very clear and strict rules of engagement as for our psycological support sorry thats severely lacking ask ex servicemen suffering from ptsd which the army wouldnt even recognise as real for a long time as it would cost to much to pay the damages
Actually they do, it's not called brainwashing of course, but they are conditioned to "neutralise" threats. The swap from "wartime" force to "peacekeeping" force was a huge PR win, with forces personnel being given sensitivity training, more emphasis on negotiation and hostage negotiation tactics, but they are still conditioned to kill, compartmentalise the emotions, survive and return to command. And yes, they do mostly follow ROE, but not all the time and not in certain situations. They do in fact have Psychological support, pathetic though it is, my brother receives support from them after being blown up, he survived and is physically ok but suffers PTSD, which they are treating him for, I could only wish it was better. "sorry ive served in many theatres and i was never brainwashed or conditioned to kill the rules of engagement are a personal thing you must know your warrented to fire before you do. Did not want to put this but im one of the ptsd sufferers from when it was not recognised. Things may be slightly better but no there is no conditioning infact if anything you are warned against it as theres no one going to save you if you break them. Ive friends who spent many yrs in jail folloing the codes to be hung out to dry | |||
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"This post is cram packed with internet trust us based on hearsy, opinions, fake news and in some post blatant racist view. Stick to the fact. Like her or loath her and I for one do not condone her. Her child is innocent and deserves a chance to live. She ran away at 15 after and everyone agrees now SHE was radicalized, her mind was therefore stolen and she has been further indoctrinated over the last four years. The one thing about I know is you never give up on people. She obviously needs help however to send her back of bar her from coming in only feeds the radicals that stole her mind in the first place. Lastly if this was a nice middle class white English woman would this view be so ingrained in our news media coverage. She comes back, she gets help and the kid grows up, hopefully to have a good life and contribute to our society." | |||
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"Leave her. Why should the lives of soldiers, or whoever is tasked with the job of rescuing her, be jeopardised for her? She's shown fuck all remorse. It's horrible that a wee baby is involved in this but are children's lives not being put at risk by bringing her back into the country? As Megatongue says though, I fear that legally, the government do have an obligation here as she no other citizenship." Her husband is Dutch, she can go there. | |||
"Ohh i know why dont you all bury her up to her neck and brick her to death seen as u want to condemn her so quickly " Sounds like a plan as that is what their capable of. An eye for an eye. We shiuld ask the familes of the beheaded britons what that would like to see happen. | |||
"Leave her I highly doubt that the father hasn’t got any other kids If she is allowed in to have the child then the father will be over, all his other children will be allowed over, all his other children’s mothers will then be allowed over and all of his other children’s fathers will be allowed over and before we know it we will be overrun with even more of the evil, terrorist sympathising scum She made the choice to go over so she should live with the consequences Her husband is dead." I heard her husband is a prisoner. | |||
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"She left on her own free will. You made her bed, now lie in it my dear "100% agree let her rot there | |||
"She has shown no remorse and do you not think if ISI had been in power she would have wanted to come back she comes back has showm no remorse try and deradicalise her DONT make me laugh LEAVE HER THERE " Yep I agree, she could never be trusted in the UK, plus she only wanted to come back to bleed the nhs for her child...maybe a free house & benefits UK is such a soft touch.. Plus she is not even remorseful. | |||
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"Send in Seal Team 6, they'll extract her out the country, then swiftly throw her overboard, on the boatride back home. " FFS why not send in the rebel alliance with Jar Jar Binks Topical news story, if anything happens its won't be done by any cousins  | |||
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"Can’t even believe your asking a question like this ..... her dad says bomb Britain ..... she has been brought up to the same beliefs or worse still more than her parents yet it’s ok to allow the wee cow to come back into this country and possibly plan a terrorist attack on Britain !!!! Yeah fuck it why not , give the woman a house , social , free schooling for her child and free nhs care !!!! After all we are British and proud right ? " And you know all about her family and upbringing how ? Do you even know the heritage of her parents or do you just see colour and make assumptions ? The latter I presume | |||
"Can’t even believe your asking a question like this ..... her dad says bomb Britain ..... she has been brought up to the same beliefs or worse still more than her parents yet it’s ok to allow the wee cow to come back into this country and possibly plan a terrorist attack on Britain !!!! Yeah fuck it why not , give the woman a house , social , free schooling for her child and free nhs care !!!! After all we are British and proud right ? And you know all about her family and upbringing how ? Do you even know the heritage of her parents or do you just see colour and make assumptions ? The latter I presume " It has been covered on the news, how it is understood is a different matter | |||
"Can’t even believe your asking a question like this ..... her dad says bomb Britain ..... she has been brought up to the same beliefs or worse still more than her parents yet it’s ok to allow the wee cow to come back into this country and possibly plan a terrorist attack on Britain !!!! Yeah fuck it why not , give the woman a house , social , free schooling for her child and free nhs care !!!! After all we are British and proud right ? And you know all about her family and upbringing how ? Do you even know the heritage of her parents or do you just see colour and make assumptions ? The latter I presume " As an example, the Manchester bomber, lived in England,felt he was not radicalised enough, went back to get more clued up on various techniques,came back,and we know the rest,at no point during all that did i care what colour he was.What he did though, i cared about that,they try and justify what they do by telling us, its their beliefs, whatever religion they follow, opt to become part of that religion. Religion was created by various people hundreds of years ago, mainly by people with no clue about right or wrong, then along comes someone declaring themselves this religious leader to them all and for no good reason other than realising they know no better go, ok we will follow you, hang on your every word and believe every last thing you tell us. Still goes on now, in fact your witnessing the worst version of it,or are you? Could it get even worse? Very possibly. | |||
"Can’t even believe your asking a question like this ..... her dad says bomb Britain ..... she has been brought up to the same beliefs or worse still more than her parents yet it’s ok to allow the wee cow to come back into this country and possibly plan a terrorist attack on Britain !!!! Yeah fuck it why not , give the woman a house , social , free schooling for her child and free nhs care !!!! After all we are British and proud right ? And you know all about her family and upbringing how ? Do you even know the heritage of her parents or do you just see colour and make assumptions ? The latter I presume As an example, the Manchester bomber, lived in England,felt he was not radicalised enough, went back to get more clued up on various techniques,came back,and we know the rest,at no point during all that did i care what colour he was.What he did though, i cared about that,they try and justify what they do by telling us, its their beliefs, whatever religion they follow, opt to become part of that religion. Religion was created by various people hundreds of years ago, mainly by people with no clue about right or wrong, then along comes someone declaring themselves this religious leader to them all and for no good reason other than realising they know no better go, ok we will follow you, hang on your every word and believe every last thing you tell us. Still goes on now, in fact your witnessing the worst version of it,or are you? Could it get even worse? Very possibly."
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"She has harmed nobody.The Brit government released much more dangerous people anti the community with the Easter agreement in NI,aye people who actually killed people.This story is serving as a smoke screen to a real crime,a Brxit that will affect everyone apart from the rich." She has harmed nobody?. Her 2 other children were killed because of where she chose to live. | |||
" She has harmed nobody?. Her 2 other children were killed because of where she chose to live." I agree with you. She should have tried to come back when her other two children were malnourished and couldn't get proper medical care for them. It seems she would have happily stayed there if her husband wasn't captured. | |||
"She has harmed nobody.The Brit government released much more dangerous people anti the community with the Easter agreement in NI,aye people who actually killed people.This story is serving as a smoke screen to a real crime,a Brxit that will affect everyone apart from the rich." Harmed no one? Don't quite believe that but do believe it is a smokescreen. What happens when they appeal? Will it go to the European Court to be over ruled giving her right to return, and the government can then say not our fault we tried to revoke her citizenship. Why didn't they revoke the citizenship of the others that have seemingly returned? Pretty sure others will have dual citizenship. I feel there's a lot more to this story to unfold. | |||
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"She has harmed nobody.The Brit government released much more dangerous people anti the community with the Easter agreement in NI,aye people who actually killed people.This story is serving as a smoke screen to a real crime,a Brxit that will affect everyone apart from the rich. Harmed no one? Don't quite believe that but do believe it is a smokescreen. What happens when they appeal? Will it go to the European Court to be over ruled giving her right to return, and the government can then say not our fault we tried to revoke her citizenship. Why didn't they revoke the citizenship of the others that have seemingly returned? Pretty sure others will have dual citizenship. I feel there's a lot more to this story to unfold. " Hit the nail on the head, citizenship revoked, reinstated on appeal because it's illegal to leave her stateless. Also Trump has told the U.K. to take their share of the dregs from Isis so we'll do what we're told. Even worse is to come in the shape of which extremists get funded next by Saudi Arabia . | |||
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" She has harmed nobody?. Her 2 other children were killed because of where she chose to live. I agree with you. She should have tried to come back when her other two children were malnourished and couldn't get proper medical care for them. It seems she would have happily stayed there if her husband wasn't captured. " I don't think leaving back then was an option for her or anyone else living in the Calaphate. | |||
"Her kids allowed back she isn’t. By end of month there will be a u turn on her. "Just in time for the flat in Larkhall getting fully furnished then. | |||
" She has harmed nobody?. Her 2 other children were killed because of where she chose to live. I agree with you. She should have tried to come back when her other two children were malnourished and couldn't get proper medical care for them. It seems she would have happily stayed there if her husband wasn't captured. I don't think leaving back then was an option for her or anyone else living in the Calaphate. " Would have been certain death trying to leave. | |||
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She was 15! If a girl that age ran off with a 60 year old man would you say she made her own choices or that he groomed her?
I don't think anyone is suggesting she comes back and renters the general population like nothing happened. She needs psychiatric help and a hell of a lot of debriefing on what she knows and what's happened in the years she's been there.
Removing citizenship sets a precedent I'm hugely uncomfortable with. Especially when that isn't the legal statute or even the only option.
She's an indoctrinated, brainwashed, British, teenager. If any of you on the 'leave her to rot' bandwagon are ever taken by baddies (fecking forum filters) and end up with Stockholm syndrome shall we apply to same to you? After all, you made your choice.
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"I've been avoiding this thread and should have kept it that way
She was 15! If a girl that age ran off with a 60 year old man would you say she made her own choices or that he groomed her?
I don't think anyone is suggesting she comes back and renters the general population like nothing happened. She needs psychiatric help and a hell of a lot of debriefing on what she knows and what's happened in the years she's been there.
Removing citizenship sets a precedent I'm hugely uncomfortable with. Especially when that isn't the legal statute or even the only option.
She's an indoctrinated, brainwashed, British, teenager. If any of you on the 'leave her to rot' bandwagon are ever taken by baddies (fecking forum filters) and end up with Stockholm syndrome shall we apply to same to you? After all, you made your choice.
V"Most sensible comment I've seen on the matter Vanessa. Glad you decided to say your piece x | |||
"I've been avoiding this thread and should have kept it that way
She was 15! If a girl that age ran off with a 60 year old man would you say she made her own choices or that he groomed her?
I don't think anyone is suggesting she comes back and renters the general population like nothing happened. She needs psychiatric help and a hell of a lot of debriefing on what she knows and what's happened in the years she's been there.
Removing citizenship sets a precedent I'm hugely uncomfortable with. Especially when that isn't the legal statute or even the only option.
She's an indoctrinated, brainwashed, British, teenager. If any of you on the 'leave her to rot' bandwagon are ever taken by baddies (fecking forum filters) and end up with Stockholm syndrome shall we apply to same to you? After all, you made your choice.
V"Doesn’t really set a precedent as it happens fairly regularly, people loosing citizenship. She has the dual citizenship by Bangladesh law. Which is a clever move as it makes the government appear to have taken a hard stance and not break any laws. As for bringing her back, she’ll need to serve jail time. People have served for a lot less. | |||
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"There is so much evil in the world and some of the comments here just reinforces that. I don't care what your opinion is of what she did or why she did it. We are talking about a baby being involved. People aren't born to be intollerent and hateful, they learn it from society. If this baby survives what kinda message are we sending? What kind of person will they become knowing that him/her and their mother was rejected by a so called civilised society. Stripped of their rights and abandoned. We are supposed to be better. We have a criminal system that can decided the fate of the mother, we have a welfare system designed to support vulnerable children. The UK government has issued a death sentence to them. Its un ethical and against all human decency. I worry for my children if these opinions are the status quo. Wade" | |||
"Regards to the baby side of it. If she comes back to the Uk she will prob be locked up one way or another so the bay will be taken into care or her family will take care of it. So what's stopping family of taking care of the baby just now?" Nothing baby has uk citizenship. | |||
"Regards to the baby side of it. If she comes back to the Uk she will prob be locked up one way or another so the bay will be taken into care or her family will take care of it. So what's stopping family of taking care of the baby just now? Nothing baby has uk citizenship." If I were her and genuinely concerned for my baby. I’d let my parents take it back while I dealt with everything. | |||
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"It's insane the amount of people who are STILL being sucked in by the most right wing, borderline fascist government in the history of this country. Javid is driven solely by his thirst for power, he's breaking international law but that isn't new to this UK government they've been investigated and warned on several occasions by the United Nations about their treatment of the poor and disabled. They're absolutely guilty of a refined form of Genocide and social cleansing, if you support them you're part of the problem and sooner or later they'll get to you. " | |||
"Regards to the baby side of it. If she comes back to the Uk she will prob be locked up one way or another so the bay will be taken into care or her family will take care of it. So what's stopping family of taking care of the baby just now? Nothing baby has uk citizenship. If I were her and genuinely concerned for my baby. I’d let my parents take it back while I dealt with everything." The baby can't be magically transported to the UK. There's no 'beam him up, Scotty'. Either she had to return to give the baby over or they need to go there to collect the child and bring him here. See any problems?
Also, separating mothers and newborns isn't something that's ever done lightly.
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"As a mother, I wouldn't want to be patted from my newborn. In her situation though... I have no idea. What I'm saying is that there are cost implications, passports to think about etc. It can't be an immediate thing and she would need to agree to hand him over. She's young and she's watched her babies die. Who knows what kind of psychological effect that has had on her? It's a very complicated situation. There are no black and whites in this. I'll leave it at that. V" Yip agree with most of you there . Every situation is different and that's why this one is tricky | |||
"I have zero sympathy for her. My sympathy is saved for the likes of the Yazidi women of the same age, older and younger too, who have been targetted by Isis and taken as sex slaves. Thousands of them. I do feel very sorry for a poor wee innocent baby caught up in all of this and everything should be done to ensure it's welfare." Yip the child should have our protection and be given a full chance in life. | |||
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"No one's gonna just walk in to that camp and take the child, the reporter,Anthony Lloyd didn't just rock up and pick someone to interview , she was taken to him at a hotel by a 36yo Canadian Isis wife who was present throughout. This is a camp of 40,000 Isis family members, their ideology is ruthlessly enforced within the camp by an Isis female "police force" . She'll be coming home with her child, I guarantee the process is already underway. She's literally the perfect candidate for de-radicalization . Stop letting the media circus making you's hate someone who was probably a victim from 10 . She is an innocent young girl no matter how reprehensible her comments are being portrayed. " | |||
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"No one's gonna just walk in to that camp and take the child, the reporter,Anthony Lloyd didn't just rock up and pick someone to interview , she was taken to him at a hotel by a 36yo Canadian Isis wife who was present throughout. This is a camp of 40,000 Isis family members, their ideology is ruthlessly enforced within the camp by an Isis female "police force" . She'll be coming home with her child, I guarantee the process is already underway. She's literally the perfect candidate for de-radicalization . Stop letting the media circus making you's hate someone who was probably a victim from 10 . She is an innocent young girl no matter how reprehensible her comments are being portrayed. " You got a spare room and she can bunk down at yours then? | |||
"No one's gonna just walk in to that camp and take the child, the reporter,Anthony Lloyd didn't just rock up and pick someone to interview , she was taken to him at a hotel by a 36yo Canadian Isis wife who was present throughout. This is a camp of 40,000 Isis family members, their ideology is ruthlessly enforced within the camp by an Isis female "police force" . She'll be coming home with her child, I guarantee the process is already underway. She's literally the perfect candidate for de-radicalization . Stop letting the media circus making you's hate someone who was probably a victim from 10 . She is an innocent young girl no matter how reprehensible her comments are being portrayed. " That's a whole lot of shite talk there | |||
"No one's gonna just walk in to that camp and take the child, the reporter,Anthony Lloyd didn't just rock up and pick someone to interview , she was taken to him at a hotel by a 36yo Canadian Isis wife who was present throughout. This is a camp of 40,000 Isis family members, their ideology is ruthlessly enforced within the camp by an Isis female "police force" . She'll be coming home with her child, I guarantee the process is already underway. She's literally the perfect candidate for de-radicalization . Stop letting the media circus making you's hate someone who was probably a victim from 10 . She is an innocent young girl no matter how reprehensible her comments are being portrayed. That's a whole lot of shite talk there "Is that it? Tell me why it's shite talk? | |||
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"You're talking about deradicalising someone who hates us and our way of life. Folk like you should go fuckin join them rather than greeting to have her allowed back here " That the best you can do, Have a go at me personally ? Lost that one very quick. That's like something you'd hear in a school playground. | |||
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"You're talking about deradicalising someone who hates us and our way of life. Folk like you should go fuckin join them rather than greeting to have her allowed back here That the best you can do, Have a go at me personally ? Lost that one very quick. That's like something you'd hear in a school playground. "How is that having a go at you personally? Fuckin drama queen (thats me got personal there) | |||
"You're talking about deradicalising someone who hates us and our way of life. Folk like you should go fuckin join them rather than greeting to have her allowed back here That the best you can do, Have a go at me personally ? Lost that one very quick. That's like something you'd hear in a school playground.
How is that having a go at you personally? Fuckin drama queen (thats me got personal there) ""Folk like you should go fuckin join them" . That's not having a go at me personally? This is a forum, forums are for debating, as soon you attack someone in a debate you've blown it. Ffs I don't believe I'm lowering myself to actually reply to you , angry wee man, bye! | |||
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"Oh fight!! anyone want me to hold their jacket " Hauld ma coat! Ahm goin in!!!! | |||
"You're talking about deradicalising someone who hates us and our way of life. Folk like you should go fuckin join them rather than greeting to have her allowed back here " So you think anyone with opposing views should "go fuckin join them" Is that an intolerance to other opinions i hear? | |||
"You're talking about deradicalising someone who hates us and our way of life. Folk like you should go fuckin join them rather than greeting to have her allowed back here So you think anyone with opposing views should "go fuckin join them" Is that an intolerance to other opinions i hear? " | |||
"Oh fight!! anyone want me to hold their jacket Hauld ma coat! Ahm goin in!!!! "thats it girl get in there remember no biting or scatching MMA rules | |||
""He who controls the media controls the mind" ~Jim Morrison~ " only when you trust and believe the media ~_ola cubes~ | |||
""He who controls the media controls the mind" ~Jim Morrison~ only when you trust and believe the media ~_ola cubes~" | |||
""He who controls the media controls the mind" ~Jim Morrison~ only when you trust and believe the media ~_ola cubes~" | |||
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"Im still not seeing any of those claiming she is a british citizen addressing her public renounciation of britain and her public promises to the caliphe and jihad. Now i know some will say radicalised and indoctrinated but apparently thats what we all are singing national anthems claiming we are better than others. While its a shame its also not a problem we need or want as someone above said deal with britains problems first before attempting to bend others to our will... which i also dont agree with she simply isnt worth the hassle" Britain has more home grown jihadists than any other non Muslim nation. Foreign policy is the reason. That's Britain's problem and they must deal with it. | |||
"Im still not seeing any of those claiming she is a british citizen addressing her public renounciation of britain and her public promises to the caliphe and jihad. Now i know some will say radicalised and indoctrinated but apparently thats what we all are singing national anthems claiming we are better than others. While its a shame its also not a problem we need or want as someone above said deal with britains problems first before attempting to bend others to our will... which i also dont agree with she simply isnt worth the hassle Britain has more home grown jihadists than any other non Muslim nation. Foreign policy is the reason. That's Britain's problem and they must deal with it." yup and if they denounce britain they should have their citizenship removed also you miss the point she made grounds for the removal of her citizenship | |||
