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"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. " After a fair trial I’d hope .  | |||
"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. " Really does make you wonder. Definitely should be death penalty for these beasts!! | |||
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"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. " I agree | |||
"These types of crimes won't be reported the way they are in this country rather than it happens less " This. No argument over what should happen to any guilty party though. Watch India's Daughter for a sobering and depressing insight into the treatment and views towards sexual assault victims in this part of the world. | |||
"These types of crimes won't be reported the way they are in this country rather than it happens less " Very true but according to our own nspcc website, MOST incidents are NOT reported , only known by the child and the abuser so you could double the 63,000 figure . Forgetting the differences in reporting my views are only strengthened that lethal injection is even more warranted. | |||
"These types of crimes won't be reported the way they are in this country rather than it happens less Very true but according to our own nspcc website, MOST incidents are NOT reported , only known by the child and the abuser so you could double the 63,000 figure . Forgetting the differences in reporting my views are only strengthened that lethal injection is even more warranted." I understand your thinking but you are wrong in what you believe. An extremely small amount of people will report a sexual crime in Pakistan because unfortunately people believe it will bring shame to the family. You cannot compare Britain with Pakistan | |||
"These types of crimes won't be reported the way they are in this country rather than it happens less Very true but according to our own nspcc website, MOST incidents are NOT reported , only known by the child and the abuser so you could double the 63,000 figure . Forgetting the differences in reporting my views are only strengthened that lethal injection is even more warranted. I understand your thinking but you are wrong in what you believe. An extremely small amount of people will report a sexual crime in Pakistan because unfortunately people believe it will bring shame to the family. You cannot compare Britain with Pakistan " I agree, also if the death penalty is the form of punishment being used fewer people will admit to the crime then forcing victims to give evidence. This means the perpetrator is still in control of their victims and prolonging their abuse. Remember this is not just physical/sexual abuse it's also mental abuse and the fact they have control over their victims. | |||
"These types of crimes won't be reported the way they are in this country rather than it happens less Very true but according to our own nspcc website, MOST incidents are NOT reported , only known by the child and the abuser so you could double the 63,000 figure . Forgetting the differences in reporting my views are only strengthened that lethal injection is even more warranted. I understand your thinking but you are wrong in what you believe. An extremely small amount of people will report a sexual crime in Pakistan because unfortunately people believe it will bring shame to the family. You cannot compare Britain with Pakistan I agree, also if the death penalty is the form of punishment being used fewer people will admit to the crime then forcing victims to give evidence. This means the perpetrator is still in control of their victims and prolonging their abuse. Remember this is not just physical/sexual abuse it's also mental abuse and the fact they have control over their victims. "  | |||
"These types of crimes won't be reported the way they are in this country rather than it happens less Very true but according to our own nspcc website, MOST incidents are NOT reported , only known by the child and the abuser so you could double the 63,000 figure . Forgetting the differences in reporting my views are only strengthened that lethal injection is even more warranted. I understand your thinking but you are wrong in what you believe. An extremely small amount of people will report a sexual crime in Pakistan because unfortunately people believe it will bring shame to the family. You cannot compare Britain with Pakistan I agree, also if the death penalty is the form of punishment being used fewer people will admit to the crime then forcing victims to give evidence. This means the perpetrator is still in control of their victims and prolonging their abuse. Remember this is not just physical/sexual abuse it's also mental abuse and the fact they have control over their victims. " I think you are way missing the point, the punishment itself acts as the deterent, so most perpetrators would not risk giving a pottential victim the oppertunity to make that decision. Ie the decision whether to report it or not. Again people talk of different culture and family shame etc, but dont seem to want to accept that the stats speak for themselves. Perish the thought that the punishment is what keeps the figures low in Pakistan. | |||
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"Comparing stats drawn from such different samples and drawing a conclusion on that basis only is kinda foolish " Any thoughts on the 63,000 kids or is it easier to just to comment on my conclussions as foolish. ?  | |||
"Comparing stats drawn from such different samples and drawing a conclusion on that basis only is kinda foolish Any thoughts on the 63,000 kids or is it easier to just to comment on my conclussions as foolish. ? "I'm just highlighting why it's not a straightforward question to answer. | |||
"These types of crimes won't be reported the way they are in this country rather than it happens less Very true but according to our own nspcc website, MOST incidents are NOT reported , only known by the child and the abuser so you could double the 63,000 figure . Forgetting the differences in reporting my views are only strengthened that lethal injection is even more warranted. I understand your thinking but you are wrong in what you believe. An extremely small amount of people will report a sexual crime in Pakistan because unfortunately people believe it will bring shame to the family. You cannot compare Britain with Pakistan I agree, also if the death penalty is the form of punishment being used fewer people will admit to the crime then forcing victims to give evidence. This means the perpetrator is still in control of their victims and prolonging their abuse. Remember this is not just physical/sexual abuse it's also mental abuse and the fact they have control over their victims. I think you are way missing the point, the punishment itself acts as the deterent, so most perpetrators would not risk giving a pottential victim the oppertunity to make that decision. Ie the decision whether to report it or not. Again people talk of different culture and family shame etc, but dont seem to want to accept that the stats speak for themselves. Perish the thought that the punishment is what keeps the figures low in Pakistan. " The punishment is not a deterrent it only drives the problem underground. American has had the death penalty and victims and families are ate still put through the hell of giving evidence. | |||
"Comparing stats drawn from such different samples and drawing a conclusion on that basis only is kinda foolish Any thoughts on the 63,000 kids or is it easier to just to comment on my conclussions as foolish. ?
I'm just highlighting why it's not a straightforward question to answer."No you were highlighting my conclusions as foolish without putting forward one of your own , as usual i might add. | |||
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" I understand your thinking but you are wrong in what you believe. An extremely small amount of people will report a sexual crime in Pakistan because unfortunately people believe it will bring shame to the family. You cannot compare Britain with Pakistan. The punishment is not a deterrent it only drives the problem underground. American has had the death penalty and victims and families are ate still put through the hell of giving evidence. " Sums up my opinion. Cases reported does not correlate to actual incidences. Death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent. Will we make the next debate the over flowing prisons in the USA where many states have it compared to Scandinavian countries who don't and are closing prisons because there's no need for them? V x | |||
"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. " its not the penalty thats at question. its what each countrys definition is of child abuse surely. Thats before mention of corruption theres always many facets to a diamond or a polished turd so its very difficult to judge thes things side by side........guessing this will be dumped to the politics thread though | |||
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"These types of crimes won't be reported the way they are in this country rather than it happens less Very true but according to our own nspcc website, MOST incidents are NOT reported , only known by the child and the abuser so you could double the 63,000 figure . Forgetting the differences in reporting my views are only strengthened that lethal injection is even more warranted. I understand your thinking but you are wrong in what you believe. An extremely small amount of people will report a sexual crime in Pakistan because unfortunately people believe it will bring shame to the family. You cannot compare Britain with Pakistan " This 100% percent. | |||
"Was on a course recently and was horrified to hear 1 in 4 Dutch children are sexually assaulted in some way! Fucking grim!" They reckon 1 in every 20 in the UK To put that in perspective thats roughly 3 kids sexually abused from every 2 classes in every school in the UK. Thats an epidemic. | |||
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"Was on a course recently and was horrified to hear 1 in 4 Dutch children are sexually assaulted in some way! Fucking grim! They reckon 1 in every 20 in the UK To put that in perspective thats roughly 3 kids sexually abused from every 2 classes in every school in the UK. Thats an epidemic." Not sure where your getting your info from but I do children protection courses at work and never heard those figures being quoted. | |||
"...the punishment itself acts as the deterent..." You clearly don’t know the first thing about forensic psychology. You’ve got this 100% wrong. Likelihood of being caught is a greater deterent than severity of punishment. It would help if you did even just a little bit of learning before you subjected us all to this nonsense. "...roughly 3 kids sexually abused from every 2 classes in every school in the UK. Thats an epidemic." You could do with improving your grasp on the language, too. | |||
"...the punishment itself acts as the deterent...You clearly don’t know the first thing about forensic psychology. You’ve got this 100% wrong. Likelihood of being caught is a greater deterent than severity of punishment. It would help if you did even just a little bit of learning before you subjected us all to this nonsense. ...roughly 3 kids sexually abused from every 2 classes in every school in the UK. Thats an epidemic.You could do with improving your grasp on the language, too." | |||
"These types of crimes won't be reported the way they are in this country rather than it happens less Very true but according to our own nspcc website, MOST incidents are NOT reported , only known by the child and the abuser so you could double the 63,000 figure . Forgetting the differences in reporting my views are only strengthened that lethal injection is even more warranted. I understand your thinking but you are wrong in what you believe. An extremely small amount of people will report a sexual crime in Pakistan because unfortunately people believe it will bring shame to the family. You cannot compare Britain with Pakistan " I agree, I remember watching something back in the 90s where a Dad drowned his daughter for bringing shame to the family because his brother was abusing her. Mr | |||
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"My personal opinion on child abuse being a survivor is sex isn’t discussed openly enough and social media and sexualisation is widely spread on the internet and confuses youngsters when they’re exposed to it in this way, my kids got the talk very young and I was vilified by my friends for it, perhaps putting too much on young kids shoulders, last year my kids were told about my own experiences and my eldest son broke down angry, my middle ASD didn’t really understand and my daughter was upset and shocked but a year on and I have three very sensible and open teens who express their opinions to friends and already have a sixth sense about people that others don’t have, consent and abuse needs to be pushed at kids much younger and I’m proud my friend is involved with a project writing books for youngsters to teach them about inappropriate behaviour " Sorry to hear of your experience and I'm glad you used the word 'survivor ' as many unfortunately are not. Education is a must and when it is at the point where people talk about it as you did then kids will understand from an early age that it's wrong for it to be happening and speak out. Only then will this and any form of abuse be stamped out. Only people like yourself can inform, educate and inspire people like us. So please keep informing....inspiring....and educating. | |||
"My personal opinion on child abuse being a survivor is sex isn’t discussed openly enough and social media and sexualisation is widely spread on the internet and confuses youngsters when they’re exposed to it in this way, my kids got the talk very young and I was vilified by my friends for it, perhaps putting too much on young kids shoulders, last year my kids were told about my own experiences and my eldest son broke down angry, my middle ASD didn’t really understand and my daughter was upset and shocked but a year on and I have three very sensible and open teens who express their opinions to friends and already have a sixth sense about people that others don’t have, consent and abuse needs to be pushed at kids much younger and I’m proud my friend is involved with a project writing books for youngsters to teach them about inappropriate behaviour Sorry to hear of your experience and I'm glad you used the word 'survivor ' as many unfortunately are not. Education is a must and when it is at the point where people talk about it as you did then kids will understand from an early age that it's wrong for it to be happening and speak out. Only then will this and any form of abuse be stamped out. Only people like yourself can inform, educate and inspire people like us. So please keep informing....inspiring....and educating." There is a two stage process to be aware of when choosing what age children should start "sex" education, Stage one: UNDERSTAND what is meant by sex education for your child's age range. Consent can be reinforced from a very early age and it doesn't mean they are going to turn out to be snowflakes.. Stage 2: Really know that sex ed/consent needs to be taught young because peadophiles and abusers do not repect age, they abuse babies, toddlers and children just the same. The problem with giving abusers the death penalty is that you would possibly be getting little Timmy, not only to tell on his abuser (who in most cases will be a well known and loved person to him) but you would also in effect be asking Timmy to sign his abusers death warrant. So, who wants to tell little timmy his uncle is going to die and his family are going to be upset because he told on him? We stopped killing people for many reasons, survivor guilt is one of them. Now CASTRATION, thats a different matter.. | |||
"My personal opinion on child abuse being a survivor is sex isn’t discussed openly enough and social media and sexualisation is widely spread on the internet and confuses youngsters when they’re exposed to it in this way, my kids got the talk very young and I was vilified by my friends for it, perhaps putting too much on young kids shoulders, last year my kids were told about my own experiences and my eldest son broke down angry, my middle ASD didn’t really understand and my daughter was upset and shocked but a year on and I have three very sensible and open teens who express their opinions to friends and already have a sixth sense about people that others don’t have, consent and abuse needs to be pushed at kids much younger and I’m proud my friend is involved with a project writing books for youngsters to teach them about inappropriate behaviour Sorry to hear of your experience and I'm glad you used the word 'survivor ' as many unfortunately are not. Education is a must and when it is at the point where people talk about it as you did then kids will understand from an early age that it's wrong for it to be happening and speak out. Only then will this and any form of abuse be stamped out. Only people like yourself can inform, educate and inspire people like us. So please keep informing....inspiring....and educating. There is a two stage process to be aware of when choosing what age children should start "sex" education, Stage one: UNDERSTAND what is meant by sex education for your child's age range. Consent can be reinforced from a very early age and it doesn't mean they are going to turn out to be snowflakes.. Stage 2: Really know that sex ed/consent needs to be taught young because peadophiles and abusers do not repect age, they abuse babies, toddlers and children just the same. The problem with giving abusers the death penalty is that you would possibly be getting little Timmy, not only to tell on his abuser (who in most cases will be a well known and loved person to him) but you would also in effect be asking Timmy to sign his abusers death warrant. So, who wants to tell little timmy his uncle is going to die and his family are going to be upset because he told on him? We stopped killing people for many reasons, survivor guilt is one of them. Now CASTRATION, thats a different matter.. " Picti i like your postings but i cant believe your example of little timmy having to worry about family being upset that he told on his uncle. Timmys family should be telling little timmy for the rest of his life that hes a wee hero for telling on his uncle and now that uncle is in a place where he cant hurt any other little children. The childs need ALWAYS come first before uncles or families needs. As for the castration will that include cutting off his hands , kill the fucker then all kids are safe. Imo they dont deserve to be part of the human race. They are not human. | |||
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" The problem with giving abusers the death penalty is that you would possibly be getting little Timmy, not only to tell on his abuser (who in most cases will be a well known and loved person to him) but you would also in effect be asking Timmy to sign his abusers death warrant. So, who wants to tell little timmy his uncle is going to die and his family are going to be upset because he told on him? We stopped killing people for many reasons, survivor guilt is one of them. Now CASTRATION, thats a different matter.. Picti i like your postings but i cant believe your example of little timmy having to worry about family being upset that he told on his uncle. Timmys family should be telling little timmy for the rest of his life that hes a wee hero for telling on his uncle and now that uncle is in a place where he cant hurt any other little children. The childs need ALWAYS come first before uncles or families needs. As for the castration will that include cutting off his hands , kill the fucker then all kids are safe. Imo they dont deserve to be part of the human race. They are not human. " You can not believe it if you want, but little Timmy is based on a real person. No matter what you do, how often you tell them something isn't their fault, they do feel responsible when bad things happen. Often children actually consent (although by law it's not considered consent) to abuse because in their mind it's being done out of love, they only find out when they are older that "special" cuddles are wrong, and often the shock of that is devastating enough. They feel used, dirty, ashamed and broken. Now add on to that the fact that the family will be fighting, and they will because they have their own guilt to deal with, despite telling the child that it's ok, that everything will be fine, their world has basically just ended. Someone may as well be dead, because nothing in their life will ever be the same, and they think it's their fault, because they told. Now, add on to this that they now wont see the person who "loved" them and made them feel special ever again (whether through family ostracism or because he went to prison). It's a lot for a child to process and often has catastrophic effects on them. So, bearing in mind that most child abuse is diagnosed by adults, and not from children who do anything to avoid getting into "trouble" do you think more would come forward if they knew a relative or someone close to their family was going to be killed because they did? Most wont even tell because their abuser would go to jail. It's a difficult situation, but killing people isn't the answer. Institutionalising them and finding what exactly went wrong in their brain to make them do it would be way more helpful than just killing them. If we can isolate what makes them offend, wether it be hormonal, psychological trauma or just plain sick in the mind, I would rather we knew and could perhaps prevent it happening again. Why waste a valuable resource? | |||
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"kill the fucker then all kids are safe. Imo they dont deserve to be part of the human race. They are not human. Ok here's the question then. Uncle /auntie X is accused of abuse, tried and convicted. Under your law and put to death. Then a few years later it transpires that the child lied as a joke and it all got out of hand and they were too scared to say anything in case they got into trouble. What do you do then... A: Buy a Delorian, bolt on a Mr Fusion and hope it gets to 88mph B: Bring into play 'an eye for an eye' and have a conviction of murder for the said child C: Admit that your system has many many flaws, appologise and move on. Yes you are right that they have no place in society, but please educate yourself on the mental health of victims before jumping in feet first with sweeping statements on how the issue should be delt with. I have had the unfortunate task of teaching young people who have been abused by family members, male and female and some were children abusing children. Does your system have a non age discrimination policy? Or do you have a lower age limit? " Im glad you find it so amusing you could add time machines and crap into a discussion about child abuse, you also seem to think your in a superior position as you have taught abused kids. Let me put your superior position into a bit of perspective. Youve taught them , ive sat in a room and told them they are being removed from their family home because even though mummy loves them , she also loves daddy. And mummy wont make daddy leave the marital home so sadly we cant let you stay their. All the while scumbag daddy sits smirking. Or what about poor wee sis and brother who has not yet been abused , they also get removed because of daddy pottential to move on to the next in line . Congratulations though you have feckin taught them . | |||
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"kill the fucker then all kids are safe. Imo they dont deserve to be part of the human race. They are not human. Ok here's the question then. Uncle /auntie X is accused of abuse, tried and convicted. Under your law and put to death. Then a few years later it transpires that the child lied as a joke and it all got out of hand and they were too scared to say anything in case they got into trouble. What do you do then... A: Buy a Delorian, bolt on a Mr Fusion and hope it gets to 88mph B: Bring into play 'an eye for an eye' and have a conviction of murder for the said child C: Admit that your system has many many flaws, appologise and move on. Yes you are right that they have no place in society, but please educate yourself on the mental health of victims before jumping in feet first with sweeping statements on how the issue should be delt with. I have had the unfortunate task of teaching young people who have been abused by family members, male and female and some were children abusing children. Does your system have a non age discrimination policy? Or do you have a lower age limit? Im glad you find it so amusing you could add time machines and crap into a discussion about child abuse, you also seem to think your in a superior position as you have taught abused kids. Let me put your superior position into a bit of perspective. Youve taught them , ive sat in a room and told them they are being removed from their family home because even though mummy loves them , she also loves daddy. And mummy wont make daddy leave the marital home so sadly we cant let you stay their. All the while scumbag daddy sits smirking. Or what about poor wee sis and brother who has not yet been abused , they also get removed because of daddy pottential to move on to the next in line . Congratulations though you have feckin taught them . " I'm not trying to be funny here and if you have sat there then you should know better that to make such an idiotic first statement as you did knowing full well it would ignite such a debate on such a sensitive subject. You sit with a child who is he'll bent on ending their life because they have been abused, do you honestly think that saying to them ' it's ok were going to kill the person that did this to you and yes we know it's your daddy but honestly it's for the best".......get a grip and think before you voice your opinion. | |||
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"Its amazing the folk who seem to rely on these perfect little scenarios that show they are right. Not aimed at any particular person as many are doing it. Its a complex matter that wont/cant be adressed with one or two simplistic questions and statements. As an aside i wonder if folk realise that a good proportion of abusers were usually abused themselves. Again just another story in a very complex issue " Excellent point and very well made. | |||
"Some well creepy comments on here "Should you no be painting yer coupon and watching Mel Gibson ?  | |||
"Its amazing the folk who seem to rely on these perfect little scenarios that show they are right. Not aimed at any particular person as many are doing it. Its a complex matter that wont/cant be adressed with one or two simplistic questions and statements. As an aside i wonder if folk realise that a good proportion of abusers were usually abused themselves. Again just another story in a very complex issue " Exactly, more research into what causes abusers to abuse. There are those who purely do it for control, as a means of manipulation, but there are also those who through trauma or some unknown factor genuinely feel that they are not harming, but loving. What triggers this? Is there a hormonal flux? Can it be changed by therapy? Could a chemical inhibitor help? Like I said, they are too valuable a resource to waste. | |||
"Its amazing the folk who seem to rely on these perfect little scenarios that show they are right. Not aimed at any particular person as many are doing it. Its a complex matter that wont/cant be adressed with one or two simplistic questions and statements. As an aside i wonder if folk realise that a good proportion of abusers were usually abused themselves. Again just another story in a very complex issue Exactly, more research into what causes abusers to abuse. There are those who purely do it for control, as a means of manipulation, but there are also those who through trauma or some unknown factor genuinely feel that they are not harming, but loving. What triggers this? Is there a hormonal flux? Can it be changed by therapy? Could a chemical inhibitor help? Like I said, they are too valuable a resource to waste. " Chemical castration is know to work and many abusers are willing to have as they want to stop so yes your suggestion is one that should be considered. | |||
"kill the fucker then all kids are safe. Imo they dont deserve to be part of the human race. They are not human. Ok here's the question then. Uncle /auntie X is accused of abuse, tried and convicted. Under your law and put to death. Then a few years later it transpires that the child lied as a joke and it all got out of hand and they were too scared to say anything in case they got into trouble. What do you do then... A: Buy a Delorian, bolt on a Mr Fusion and hope it gets to 88mph B: Bring into play 'an eye for an eye' and have a conviction of murder for the said child C: Admit that your system has many many flaws, appologise and move on. Yes you are right that they have no place in society, but please educate yourself on the mental health of victims before jumping in feet first with sweeping statements on how the issue should be delt with. I have had the unfortunate task of teaching young people who have been abused by family members, male and female and some were children abusing children. Does your system have a non age discrimination policy? Or do you have a lower age limit? Im glad you find it so amusing you could add time machines and crap into a discussion about child abuse, you also seem to think your in a superior position as you have taught abused kids. Let me put your superior position into a bit of perspective. Youve taught them , ive sat in a room and told them they are being removed from their family home because even though mummy loves them , she also loves daddy. And mummy wont make daddy leave the marital home so sadly we cant let you stay their. All the while scumbag daddy sits smirking. Or what about poor wee sis and brother who has not yet been abused , they also get removed because of daddy pottential to move on to the next in line . Congratulations though you have feckin taught them . I'm not trying to be funny here and if you have sat there then you should know better that to make such an idiotic first statement as you did knowing full well it would ignite such a debate on such a sensitive subject. You sit with a child who is he'll bent on ending their life because they have been abused, do you honestly think that saying to them ' it's ok were going to kill the person that did this to you and yes we know it's your daddy but honestly it's for the best".......get a grip and think before you voice your opinion." If you look at the OP it was never a debate, it was a factual event that i noticed and thought, i wish we done the same . The main thing about the discussion its all based on the AFTER the fact trauma of the punishment, would the abuse happen in the first place if penalties were severe enough. ? I like how you say , im not being funny here, you were earlier with your delorian comments. One last thing , why cant we have debates on sensitive subject, would you rather we sweep them under carpets ? . | |||
"kill the fucker then all kids are safe. Imo they dont deserve to be part of the human race. They are not human. Ok here's the question then. Uncle /auntie X is accused of abuse, tried and convicted. Under your law and put to death. Then a few years later it transpires that the child lied as a joke and it all got out of hand and they were too scared to say anything in case they got into trouble. What do you do then... A: Buy a Delorian, bolt on a Mr Fusion and hope it gets to 88mph B: Bring into play 'an eye for an eye' and have a conviction of murder for the said child C: Admit that your system has many many flaws, appologise and move on. Yes you are right that they have no place in society, but please educate yourself on the mental health of victims before jumping in feet first with sweeping statements on how the issue should be delt with. I have had the unfortunate task of teaching young people who have been abused by family members, male and female and some were children abusing children. Does your system have a non age discrimination policy? Or do you have a lower age limit? Im glad you find it so amusing you could add time machines and crap into a discussion about child abuse, you also seem to think your in a superior position as you have taught abused kids. Let me put your superior position into a bit of perspective. Youve taught them , ive sat in a room and told them they are being removed from their family home because even though mummy loves them , she also loves daddy. And mummy wont make daddy leave the marital home so sadly we cant let you stay their. All the while scumbag daddy sits smirking. Or what about poor wee sis and brother who has not yet been abused , they also get removed because of daddy pottential to move on to the next in line . Congratulations though you have feckin taught them . I'm not trying to be funny here and if you have sat there then you should know better that to make such an idiotic first statement as you did knowing full well it would ignite such a debate on such a sensitive subject. You sit with a child who is he'll bent on ending their life because they have been abused, do you honestly think that saying to them ' it's ok were going to kill the person that did this to you and yes we know it's your daddy but honestly it's for the best".......get a grip and think before you voice your opinion. If you look at the OP it was never a debate, it was a factual event that i noticed and thought, i wish we done the same . The main thing about the discussion its all based on the AFTER the fact trauma of the punishment, would the abuse happen in the first place if penalties were severe enough. ? I like how you say , im not being funny here, you were earlier with your delorian comments. One last thing , why cant we have debates on sensitive subject, would you rather we sweep them under carpets ? . " No it was to highlight the fact that the death penalty is final, if we get it wrong there is no going back. Ask yourself, could you put a child to death that has abused another. Your original post came across as everyone who does this should be killed....end of no dabate. These subject should be discussed in a civilised and adult way with all eventualities considered not just a blinkered kill them all attitude. And if that is your opinion on the matter that's fine but I need to ask if you are the best person to be in the position that you are if you are taking children from homes under these circumstances. | |||
"kill the fucker then all kids are safe. Imo they dont deserve to be part of the human race. They are not human. Ok here's the question then. Uncle /auntie X is accused of abuse, tried and convicted. Under your law and put to death. Then a few years later it transpires that the child lied as a joke and it all got out of hand and they were too scared to say anything in case they got into trouble. What do you do then... A: Buy a Delorian, bolt on a Mr Fusion and hope it gets to 88mph B: Bring into play 'an eye for an eye' and have a conviction of murder for the said child C: Admit that your system has many many flaws, appologise and move on. Yes you are right that they have no place in society, but please educate yourself on the mental health of victims before jumping in feet first with sweeping statements on how the issue should be delt with. I have had the unfortunate task of teaching young people who have been abused by family members, male and female and some were children abusing children. Does your system have a non age discrimination policy? Or do you have a lower age limit? Im glad you find it so amusing you could add time machines and crap into a discussion about child abuse, you also seem to think your in a superior position as you have taught abused kids. Let me put your superior position into a bit of perspective. Youve taught them , ive sat in a room and told them they are being removed from their family home because even though mummy loves them , she also loves daddy. And mummy wont make daddy leave the marital home so sadly we cant let you stay their. All the while scumbag daddy sits smirking. Or what about poor wee sis and brother who has not yet been abused , they also get removed because of daddy pottential to move on to the next in line . Congratulations though you have feckin taught them . I'm not trying to be funny here and if you have sat there then you should know better that to make such an idiotic first statement as you did knowing full well it would ignite such a debate on such a sensitive subject. You sit with a child who is he'll bent on ending their life because they have been abused, do you honestly think that saying to them ' it's ok were going to kill the person that did this to you and yes we know it's your daddy but honestly it's for the best".......get a grip and think before you voice your opinion. If you look at the OP it was never a debate, it was a factual event that i noticed and thought, i wish we done the same . The main thing about the discussion its all based on the AFTER the fact trauma of the punishment, would the abuse happen in the first place if penalties were severe enough. ? I like how you say , im not being funny here, you were earlier with your delorian comments. One last thing , why cant we have debates on sensitive subject, would you rather we sweep them under carpets ? . No it was to highlight the fact that the death penalty is final, if we get it wrong there is no going back. Ask yourself, could you put a child to death that has abused another. Your original post came across as everyone who does this should be killed....end of no dabate. These subject should be discussed in a civilised and adult way with all eventualities considered not just a blinkered kill them all attitude. And if that is your opinion on the matter that's fine but I need to ask if you are the best person to be in the position that you are if you are taking children from homes under these circumstances." Im sensible enough to know what i would like to happen will never happen, the original discussion was about an adult abusing 3 kids, you my friend introduced kids abusing kids to strengthen your point against using lethal punishments. As for the position i held regarding the removal of kids, 1 i never made that call by myself , there was always a panel of 3 people so if i was wrong or someone else was wrong the other 2 would hopefully make the right decision. And 2 when it came to situations like i used above it was always unanimous what should happen. Lastly the childrens panel dont care about the parents wants or need or remorse or whatever, they are ONLY interested in what is best for the child. Killing a parent would not be in the best interest of the child i might add. Refer back to my first line of this post. | |||
"kill the fucker then all kids are safe. Imo they dont deserve to be part of the human race. They are not human. Ok here's the question then. Uncle /auntie X is accused of abuse, tried and convicted. Under your law and put to death. Then a few years later it transpires that the child lied as a joke and it all got out of hand and they were too scared to say anything in case they got into trouble. What do you do then... A: Buy a Delorian, bolt on a Mr Fusion and hope it gets to 88mph B: Bring into play 'an eye for an eye' and have a conviction of murder for the said child C: Admit that your system has many many flaws, appologise and move on. Yes you are right that they have no place in society, but please educate yourself on the mental health of victims before jumping in feet first with sweeping statements on how the issue should be delt with. I have had the unfortunate task of teaching young people who have been abused by family members, male and female and some were children abusing children. Does your system have a non age discrimination policy? Or do you have a lower age limit? Im glad you find it so amusing you could add time machines and crap into a discussion about child abuse, you also seem to think your in a superior position as you have taught abused kids. Let me put your superior position into a bit of perspective. Youve taught them , ive sat in a room and told them they are being removed from their family home because even though mummy loves them , she also loves daddy. And mummy wont make daddy leave the marital home so sadly we cant let you stay their. All the while scumbag daddy sits smirking. Or what about poor wee sis and brother who has not yet been abused , they also get removed because of daddy pottential to move on to the next in line . Congratulations though you have feckin taught them . I'm not trying to be funny here and if you have sat there then you should know better that to make such an idiotic first statement as you did knowing full well it would ignite such a debate on such a sensitive subject. You sit with a child who is he'll bent on ending their life because they have been abused, do you honestly think that saying to them ' it's ok were going to kill the person that did this to you and yes we know it's your daddy but honestly it's for the best".......get a grip and think before you voice your opinion. If you look at the OP it was never a debate, it was a factual event that i noticed and thought, i wish we done the same . The main thing about the discussion its all based on the AFTER the fact trauma of the punishment, would the abuse happen in the first place if penalties were severe enough. ? I like how you say , im not being funny here, you were earlier with your delorian comments. One last thing , why cant we have debates on sensitive subject, would you rather we sweep them under carpets ? . No it was to highlight the fact that the death penalty is final, if we get it wrong there is no going back. Ask yourself, could you put a child to death that has abused another. Your original post came across as everyone who does this should be killed....end of no dabate. These subject should be discussed in a civilised and adult way with all eventualities considered not just a blinkered kill them all attitude. And if that is your opinion on the matter that's fine but I need to ask if you are the best person to be in the position that you are if you are taking children from homes under these circumstances. Im sensible enough to know what i would like to happen will never happen, the original discussion was about an adult abusing 3 kids, you my friend introduced kids abusing kids to strengthen your point against using lethal punishments. As for the position i held regarding the removal of kids, 1 i never made that call by myself , there was always a panel of 3 people so if i was wrong or someone else was wrong the other 2 would hopefully make the right decision. And 2 when it came to situations like i used above it was always unanimous what should happen. Lastly the childrens panel dont care about the parents wants or need or remorse or whatever, they are ONLY interested in what is best for the child. Killing a parent would not be in the best interest of the child i might add. Refer back to my first line of this post. "Look at the last line of your original post. You imply all abusers should be killed. That means irrespective of age and their connection to the family whether that's in the best interest of the victims or not so it's not about strengthening any argument. You made the statement which myself and many others have pointed out is majorly flawed and should never have been a topic of discussion. And if you never wanted it to be debated why post it? | |||
"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. " I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs | |||
"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs " Exceptionally well said | |||
"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs " What i meant by not a debate was it wasnt one of MY debates that 8 occasionally post. And the kill them punishment is my opinion only. It turned into a debate but thats ok im always open to different viewpoints. Not a dig by the way just info, Pakistan done away with child brides a while ago. All things said about not comparing stats, i think people are being a bit to civilised and not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000 Uk | |||
"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs What i meant by not a debate was it wasnt one of MY debates that 8 occasionally post. And the kill them punishment is my opinion only. It turned into a debate but thats ok im always open to different viewpoints. Not a dig by the way just info, Pakistan done away with child brides a while ago. All things said about not comparing stats, i think people are being a bit to civilised and not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000 Uk " Fair enough if that’s not how you intended the debate thing to come across. Your stand point on the death penalty makes no odds to be as I said I believe in it in theory. The only thing I would disagree with is the child brides. Although it was legally done away with it does still happen. Only last month I watched an investigation into it. Old rituals and habits are hard to break. The introduction of a piece of legislation saying it’s no longer ok means nothing to some people who just drive the practice out of the public eye. | |||
"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs What i meant by not a debate was it wasnt one of MY debates that 8 occasionally post. And the kill them punishment is my opinion only. It turned into a debate but thats ok im always open to different viewpoints. Not a dig by the way just info, Pakistan done away with child brides a while ago. All things said about not comparing stats, i think people are being a bit to civilised and not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000 Uk " So if it works why has there been a 32% rise in the number of reported cases between Jan-june 2018 compared with the same months the previous year. Also your figures are not a true reflection as many cases go in reported due to the vast number of rural places being put of contact with the proper authorities. | |||
"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs What i meant by not a debate was it wasnt one of MY debates that 8 occasionally post. And the kill them punishment is my opinion only. It turned into a debate but thats ok im always open to different viewpoints. Not a dig by the way just info, Pakistan done away with child brides a while ago. All things said about not comparing stats, i think people are being a bit to civilised and not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000 Uk So if it works why has there been a 32% rise in the number of reported cases between Jan-june 2018 compared with the same months the previous year. Also your figures are not a true reflection as many cases go in reported due to the vast number of rural places being put of contact with the proper authorities. " Valid points now for the answers Figures are going up across the world as it becomes more unacceptable and more acceptable to report it so yes figures will rise for a long time to come. The uk has the same scenario though with not reporting. They reckon in the uk not half the cases are reported either, so nullifies your not reporting point. Now one last big stat for you. Uk population 67million roughly Pakistan 200 million population. You can disagree with the stats and comparisons all you like , in my opinion your not wanting to believe it no matter what. | |||
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"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs What i meant by not a debate was it wasnt one of MY debates that 8 occasionally post. And the kill them punishment is my opinion only. It turned into a debate but thats ok im always open to different viewpoints. Not a dig by the way just info, Pakistan done away with child brides a while ago. All things said about not comparing stats, i think people are being a bit to civilised and not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000 Uk So if it works why has there been a 32% rise in the number of reported cases between Jan-june 2018 compared with the same months the previous year. Also your figures are not a true reflection as many cases go in reported due to the vast number of rural places being put of contact with the proper authorities. Valid points now for the answers Figures are going up across the world as it becomes more unacceptable and more acceptable to report it so yes figures will rise for a long time to come. The uk has the same scenario though with not reporting. They reckon in the uk not half the cases are reported either, so nullifies your not reporting point. Now one last big stat for you. Uk population 67million roughly Pakistan 200 million population. You can disagree with the stats and comparisons all you like , in my opinion your not wanting to believe it no matter what. " It's not the stats that are the issue here it's your remedy for the problem, capital punishment is not the answer and not a deterrent in any way, shape or form. At no point have you considered the victims in this and their feeling..people on this forum are reading what you would do to abusers and at no point have you taken into account that you are talking about their family no matter what they have done to them they may still have feelings. And whether you like it or not you need to consider the ages of abusers. You commented that I brought kids into this but you didn't answer the question. Would you put a child abuser to death no mater what age they are? | |||
"...im always open to different viewpoints." As with most other things you’ve posted, this is a statement which the evidence does not support. "...i think people are being a bit to civilised..." Thats a disturbing phrase. "...not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000" Here’s the thing; it’s not about belief. It’s about evidence. Posting numbers is not evidence. Telling us what you reckon those numbers mean isn’t evidence. Unfortunately, one can’t post a link to peer-reviewed scientific papers on here without being banned, so I’ll just have to encourage you (not for the first time) to go and learn something about the extent to which the severity of punishments act as a deterrent to crime. If you are telling the truth, and you really are as closely involved with this as you say you are, your lack of knowledge is professionally concerning. | |||
"...im always open to different viewpoints.As with most other things you’ve posted, this is a statement which the evidence does not support. ...i think people are being a bit to civilised...Thats a disturbing phrase. ...not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000Here’s the thing; it’s not about belief. It’s about evidence. Posting numbers is not evidence. Telling us what you reckon those numbers mean isn’t evidence. Unfortunately, one can’t post a link to peer-reviewed scientific papers on here without being banned, so I’ll just have to encourage you (not for the first time) to go and learn something about the extent to which the severity of punishments act as a deterrent to crime. If you are telling the truth, and you really are as closely involved with this as you say you are, your lack of knowledge is professionally concerning." A quick google on the nspcc website im sure will confirm the figures quoted or are they not reliable enough for you . For Pakistan, another quick google and there is multiple different organisations that quote these same figures, or is that still not acceptable. But hey its easier to say there not to be believed without evidence, or maybe your just to lazy to check it out yourself. As for me telling the truth or not well you gotta ask yerself, what does He Devil have to gain from lying . Mmmmm maybe nothing. !! The post was never about me it was about a cop killed for sexually abusing kids. I also never once claimed i had knowledge from any sort of professional capacity. You keep summising what my posts and motives are about and i will happily continue correcting you. | |||
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"A quick Google kinda sums this up, sounds more like that is what you have done and read the headlines. As for professional capacity you said you were involved in removing children from homes and on the children's panel that is a professional capacity and if it is true then you should never have been that irresponsible as to post your personal opinion on an open forum knowing full well you would spark a debate on the subject. Being a professional person and reading the views of other clearly professional people on here you clearly need to rethink many things. Your comment said the panel took into account the best interest of the child. Would telling them you are going to execute their Dad,Mum or siblig be in the best interest for tge child? yet again you never seem to think about victims in this which again is a concern if you are serving on a children's panel. " Speaking as a fellow Panel member, I would totally avoid saying anything like "punishment" or "guilty" in a hearing. And I've dealt with really unpleasant situations. | |||
" I understand your thinking but you are wrong in what you believe. An extremely small amount of people will report a sexual crime in Pakistan because unfortunately people believe it will bring shame to the family. You cannot compare Britain with Pakistan. The punishment is not a deterrent it only drives the problem underground. American has had the death penalty and victims and families are ate still put through the hell of giving evidence. Sums up my opinion. Cases reported does not correlate to actual incidences. Death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent. Will we make the next debate the over flowing prisons in the USA where many states have it compared to Scandinavian countries who don't and are closing prisons because there's no need for them? V x" The penal system in the States is a multi billion dollar business,the official stats in the U.S. are mind boggling. 3 million plus in prison for possession of cannabis because of the 3 strikes rule . Obama really wanted to pardon them at the end of his term in office but he was thwarted by big business. Re paedophilia, what goes unreported is the crimes committed by the victims own family members. I don't know any civilised society where the death penalty actually works as a deterrent x | |||
"A quick google on the nspcc website im sure will confirm the figures quoted or are they not reliable enough for you . For Pakistan, another quick google and there is multiple different organisations that quote these same figures, or is that still not acceptable. But hey its easier to say there not to be believed without evidence, or maybe your just to lazy to check it out yourself." You have completely and utterly missed the point. I’m not disputing the numbers you’ve posted. I haven’t said I don’t believe them. The numbers are completely irrelevant. The issue is that you have drawn conclusions from those numbers with zero evidence for how you came to that conclusion. I’m telling you that if you went away and read papers by people who actually know what they are talking about, you will see that the conclusions you have drawn are 100% wrong. "As for me telling the truth or not well you gotta ask yerself, what does He Devil have to gain from lying . Mmmmm maybe nothing. !!" I dunno. From the threads I have seen you start, you like to make provocative points from a position of limited knowledge and zero understanding; perhaps you think claiming to have direct experience will lend weight to your easily refutable arguments. They don’t. "The post was never about me it was about a cop killed for sexually abusing kids." The OP was, but you made it about you later when your house-of-cards argument started falling. "I also never once claimed i had knowledge from any sort of professional capacity." It was implied. If you are now confirming that you don’t, that’s great for all concerned. "You keep summising what my posts and motives are about and i will happily continue correcting you. "Feel free to act superior if you like, every single one of your posts in this thread makes it abundantly clear that you’re an angry man armed with one bit of information that you don’t fully understand. | |||
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"I want to interrupt before we start confusing paedophiles and child abusers/rapists. A good number of paedophiles actively work to stop themselves hurting kids and are in longtern medical/psychiatric care. Child abusers/rapists in no way feel affection for their victims but instead seek to cause harm and maintain power over them." "Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children" First few lines of the OP, that's paedophilia. | |||
"I want to interrupt before we start confusing paedophiles and child abusers/rapists. A good number of paedophiles actively work to stop themselves hurting kids and are in longtern medical/psychiatric care. Child abusers/rapists in no way feel affection for their victims but instead seek to cause harm and maintain power over them. "Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children" First few lines of the OP, that's paedophilia. " Need to scan and find the link - are you sure he is a paedophile? | |||
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"What do you call people who are caught/convicted of sexually assaulting children? Rapists. So a person that sexually assaults 10 children is not a paedophile but a 10 x rapist? Paedophile- A person who is sexually attracted to children" That person would be a paedophile Who committed r4pe. I think the point being made is that someone could be an “inactive” paedophile and commit no abuse or crime wharsoever. Unless that person confessed that they had that attraction, you would never know. | |||
"We've got a great system in the Netherlands for people like this. Basically comes down to lock em up and throw away the key. They're sentenced to time in prison (which is quite often shorter than planned), followed by institutionalised in a place which is very much like a prison but more for people with mental illnesses, alcohol and drugs addictions. These places don't have a set time and they can be kept in there forever if they don't rehabilitate and change. Unfortunately, same as everywhere else, with the budget cuts some of them had to close and probably more are still to be closed, so not sure how long they will keep this going x" do you honestly believe these institutions are good? Painting the walls nice and calling folk their name instead of inmate does not change the fact they are prisons. I think its more barbaric that folk can be held indefinatly at the whim of a few folk. | |||
"We've got a great system in the Netherlands for people like this. Basically comes down to lock em up and throw away the key. They're sentenced to time in prison (which is quite often shorter than planned), followed by institutionalised in a place which is very much like a prison but more for people with mental illnesses, alcohol and drugs addictions. These places don't have a set time and they can be kept in there forever if they don't rehabilitate and change. Unfortunately, same as everywhere else, with the budget cuts some of them had to close and probably more are still to be closed, so not sure how long they will keep this going xdo you honestly believe these institutions are good? Painting the walls nice and calling folk their name instead of inmate does not change the fact they are prisons. I think its more barbaric that folk can be held indefinatly at the whim of a few folk. " Yes I think they are really good. And not many stay in there forever. Like I said, people can change and get better. And until then make the country a little bit saver. Certainly a lot better to have them do some time, send them on their way and they'll go straight back to attacking kids. | |||
"We've got a great system in the Netherlands for people like this. Basically comes down to lock em up and throw away the key. They're sentenced to time in prison (which is quite often shorter than planned), followed by institutionalised in a place which is very much like a prison but more for people with mental illnesses, alcohol and drugs addictions. These places don't have a set time and they can be kept in there forever if they don't rehabilitate and change. Unfortunately, same as everywhere else, with the budget cuts some of them had to close and probably more are still to be closed, so not sure how long they will keep this going xdo you honestly believe these institutions are good? Painting the walls nice and calling folk their name instead of inmate does not change the fact they are prisons. I think its more barbaric that folk can be held indefinatly at the whim of a few folk. Yes I think they are really good. And not many stay in there forever. Like I said, people can change and get better. And until then make the country a little bit saver. Certainly a lot better to have them do some time, send them on their way and they'll go straight back to attacking kids. " This system sounds like something that should be explored more. | |||
"We've got a great system in the Netherlands for people like this. Basically comes down to lock em up and throw away the key. They're sentenced to time in prison (which is quite often shorter than planned), followed by institutionalised in a place which is very much like a prison but more for people with mental illnesses, alcohol and drugs addictions. These places don't have a set time and they can be kept in there forever if they don't rehabilitate and change. Unfortunately, same as everywhere else, with the budget cuts some of them had to close and probably more are still to be closed, so not sure how long they will keep this going xdo you honestly believe these institutions are good? Painting the walls nice and calling folk their name instead of inmate does not change the fact they are prisons. I think its more barbaric that folk can be held indefinatly at the whim of a few folk. Yes I think they are really good. And not many stay in there forever. Like I said, people can change and get better. And until then make the country a little bit saver. Certainly a lot better to have them do some time, send them on their way and they'll go straight back to attacking kids. This system sounds like something that should be explored more." Not sure why these places aren't in the UK, but no way will the government invest now to set this up. I wish they would x | |||
"We've got a great system in the Netherlands for people like this. Basically comes down to lock em up and throw away the key. They're sentenced to time in prison (which is quite often shorter than planned), followed by institutionalised in a place which is very much like a prison but more for people with mental illnesses, alcohol and drugs addictions. These places don't have a set time and they can be kept in there forever if they don't rehabilitate and change. Unfortunately, same as everywhere else, with the budget cuts some of them had to close and probably more are still to be closed, so not sure how long they will keep this going xdo you honestly believe these institutions are good? Painting the walls nice and calling folk their name instead of inmate does not change the fact they are prisons. I think its more barbaric that folk can be held indefinatly at the whim of a few folk. Yes I think they are really good. And not many stay in there forever. Like I said, people can change and get better. And until then make the country a little bit saver. Certainly a lot better to have them do some time, send them on their way and they'll go straight back to attacking kids. This system sounds like something that should be explored more. Not sure why these places aren't in the UK, but no way will the government invest now to set this up. I wish they would x" The Dutch Entrustment Act it's called. They actually describe it as more of a hospital, which I suppose makes sense. They're not locked away as such (although doors will be locked at all times), it's more about rehabilitation than making them do their time x | |||
"We've got a great system in the Netherlands for people like this. Basically comes down to lock em up and throw away the key. They're sentenced to time in prison (which is quite often shorter than planned), followed by institutionalised in a place which is very much like a prison but more for people with mental illnesses, alcohol and drugs addictions. These places don't have a set time and they can be kept in there forever if they don't rehabilitate and change. Unfortunately, same as everywhere else, with the budget cuts some of them had to close and probably more are still to be closed, so not sure how long they will keep this going xdo you honestly believe these institutions are good? Painting the walls nice and calling folk their name instead of inmate does not change the fact they are prisons. I think its more barbaric that folk can be held indefinatly at the whim of a few folk. Yes I think they are really good. And not many stay in there forever. Like I said, people can change and get better. And until then make the country a little bit saver. Certainly a lot better to have them do some time, send them on their way and they'll go straight back to attacking kids. This system sounds like something that should be explored more. Not sure why these places aren't in the UK, but no way will the government invest now to set this up. I wish they would x The Dutch Entrustment Act it's called. They actually describe it as more of a hospital, which I suppose makes sense. They're not locked away as such (although doors will be locked at all times), it's more about rehabilitation than making them do their time x" Unfortunately in Britain we think that we are the best an everything and 'world leaders' even out name is arrogant "Great Britain" if the system works then we should rethink our policy on the matter and follow others examples. Granted this will not work for everyone but we need to have a shake up of the system and 'other suggested' forms of punishment will put us back in the dark ages. | |||
"A quick Google kinda sums this up, sounds more like that is what you have done and read the headlines. As for professional capacity you said you were involved in removing children from homes and on the children's panel that is a professional capacity and if it is true then you should never have been that irresponsible as to post your personal opinion on an open forum knowing full well you would spark a debate on the subject. Being a professional person and reading the views of other clearly professional people on here you clearly need to rethink many things. Your comment said the panel took into account the best interest of the child. Would telling them you are going to execute their Dad,Mum or siblig be in the best interest for tge child? yet again you never seem to think about victims in this which again is a concern if you are serving on a children's panel. " Ok i get it your simply on a wind up mission, clearly no matter what i say you wont listen and still try to wind up. I said further up the thread that of course it is not in the best interest of the child to kill the abuser and you still use that as a debate point so clearly your ignoring my comments and writing any old trash.
To the other poster that said he was on the panel , you are correct . The word punishment is never a word the panel would use , what i said was always punishment towards the abuser.
And lastly it was never my intention of making this a debate but its turned out to be very good and if it has even slightly made people aware how serious a problem it is in our OWN country then for that alone , im glad i posted it. Remember everyone and anyone can report their suspicions to police , teachers or social work or any other club or agency involved with children anonymously , even if your wrong at least it will be investigated. You may just save a child today. | |||
"We've got a great system in the Netherlands for people like this. Basically comes down to lock em up and throw away the key. They're sentenced to time in prison (which is quite often shorter than planned), followed by institutionalised in a place which is very much like a prison but more for people with mental illnesses, alcohol and drugs addictions. These places don't have a set time and they can be kept in there forever if they don't rehabilitate and change. Unfortunately, same as everywhere else, with the budget cuts some of them had to close and probably more are still to be closed, so not sure how long they will keep this going xdo you honestly believe these institutions are good? Painting the walls nice and calling folk their name instead of inmate does not change the fact they are prisons. I think its more barbaric that folk can be held indefinatly at the whim of a few folk. Yes I think they are really good. And not many stay in there forever. Like I said, people can change and get better. And until then make the country a little bit saver. Certainly a lot better to have them do some time, send them on their way and they'll go straight back to attacking kids. This system sounds like something that should be explored more. Not sure why these places aren't in the UK, but no way will the government invest now to set this up. I wish they would x" they were in the uk they were called asylums. | |||
"We've got a great system in the Netherlands for people like this. Basically comes down to lock em up and throw away the key. They're sentenced to time in prison (which is quite often shorter than planned), followed by institutionalised in a place which is very much like a prison but more for people with mental illnesses, alcohol and drugs addictions. These places don't have a set time and they can be kept in there forever if they don't rehabilitate and change. Unfortunately, same as everywhere else, with the budget cuts some of them had to close and probably more are still to be closed, so not sure how long they will keep this going xdo you honestly believe these institutions are good? Painting the walls nice and calling folk their name instead of inmate does not change the fact they are prisons. I think its more barbaric that folk can be held indefinatly at the whim of a few folk. Yes I think they are really good. And not many stay in there forever. Like I said, people can change and get better. And until then make the country a little bit saver. Certainly a lot better to have them do some time, send them on their way and they'll go straight back to attacking kids. This system sounds like something that should be explored more. Not sure why these places aren't in the UK, but no way will the government invest now to set this up. I wish they would xthey were in the uk they were called asylums." They're not asylums x | |||
"We've got a great system in the Netherlands for people like this. Basically comes down to lock em up and throw away the key. They're sentenced to time in prison (which is quite often shorter than planned), followed by institutionalised in a place which is very much like a prison but more for people with mental illnesses, alcohol and drugs addictions. These places don't have a set time and they can be kept in there forever if they don't rehabilitate and change. Unfortunately, same as everywhere else, with the budget cuts some of them had to close and probably more are still to be closed, so not sure how long they will keep this going xdo you honestly believe these institutions are good? Painting the walls nice and calling folk their name instead of inmate does not change the fact they are prisons. I think its more barbaric that folk can be held indefinatly at the whim of a few folk. Yes I think they are really good. And not many stay in there forever. Like I said, people can change and get better. And until then make the country a little bit saver. Certainly a lot better to have them do some time, send them on their way and they'll go straight back to attacking kids. This system sounds like something that should be explored more. Not sure why these places aren't in the UK, but no way will the government invest now to set this up. I wish they would xthey were in the uk they were called asylums. They're not asylums x" what your describing is a secure mental institute. Your dressing it up nice but its the same thing its unjust to hold folk indefinatly and to me its more barbaric than the death sentence. | |||
"We've got a great system in the Netherlands for people like this. Basically comes down to lock em up and throw away the key. They're sentenced to time in prison (which is quite often shorter than planned), followed by institutionalised in a place which is very much like a prison but more for people with mental illnesses, alcohol and drugs addictions. These places don't have a set time and they can be kept in there forever if they don't rehabilitate and change. Unfortunately, same as everywhere else, with the budget cuts some of them had to close and probably more are still to be closed, so not sure how long they will keep this going xdo you honestly believe these institutions are good? Painting the walls nice and calling folk their name instead of inmate does not change the fact they are prisons. I think its more barbaric that folk can be held indefinatly at the whim of a few folk. Yes I think they are really good. And not many stay in there forever. Like I said, people can change and get better. And until then make the country a little bit saver. Certainly a lot better to have them do some time, send them on their way and they'll go straight back to attacking kids. This system sounds like something that should be explored more. Not sure why these places aren't in the UK, but no way will the government invest now to set this up. I wish they would xthey were in the uk they were called asylums. They're not asylums xwhat your describing is a secure mental institute. Your dressing it up nice but its the same thing its unjust to hold folk indefinatly and to me its more barbaric than the death sentence. " An asylum is not for pedophiles and murderers. It's a mental hospital. And it's more unjust for the people who have been, or will be there victim to let them roam free x | |||
"We've got a great system in the Netherlands for people like this. Basically comes down to lock em up and throw away the key. They're sentenced to time in prison (which is quite often shorter than planned), followed by institutionalised in a place which is very much like a prison but more for people with mental illnesses, alcohol and drugs addictions. These places don't have a set time and they can be kept in there forever if they don't rehabilitate and change. Unfortunately, same as everywhere else, with the budget cuts some of them had to close and probably more are still to be closed, so not sure how long they will keep this going xdo you honestly believe these institutions are good? Painting the walls nice and calling folk their name instead of inmate does not change the fact they are prisons. I think its more barbaric that folk can be held indefinatly at the whim of a few folk. Yes I think they are really good. And not many stay in there forever. Like I said, people can change and get better. And until then make the country a little bit saver. Certainly a lot better to have them do some time, send them on their way and they'll go straight back to attacking kids. This system sounds like something that should be explored more. Not sure why these places aren't in the UK, but no way will the government invest now to set this up. I wish they would xthey were in the uk they were called asylums. They're not asylums xwhat your describing is a secure mental institute. Your dressing it up nice but its the same thing its unjust to hold folk indefinatly and to me its more barbaric than the death sentence. An asylum is not for pedophiles and murderers. It's a mental hospital. And it's more unjust for the people who have been, or will be there victim to let them roam free x" and is pedophilia not seen as a mental health issue? As for their victims or future victims that should be sorted at sentencing surely. not ......your sentenced to 1 yr in prison (not a mental health hospital) after which you will be found to be mad and held indefinatly. Im sorry that is what we had and did and stopped doing. Commit a crime it needs decent sentencing and rehabilitation during this time of incarceration | |||
"We've got a great system in the Netherlands for people like this. Basically comes down to lock em up and throw away the key. They're sentenced to time in prison (which is quite often shorter than planned), followed by institutionalised in a place which is very much like a prison but more for people with mental illnesses, alcohol and drugs addictions. These places don't have a set time and they can be kept in there forever if they don't rehabilitate and change. Unfortunately, same as everywhere else, with the budget cuts some of them had to close and probably more are still to be closed, so not sure how long they will keep this going xdo you honestly believe these institutions are good? Painting the walls nice and calling folk their name instead of inmate does not change the fact they are prisons. I think its more barbaric that folk can be held indefinatly at the whim of a few folk. Yes I think they are really good. And not many stay in there forever. Like I said, people can change and get better. And until then make the country a little bit saver. Certainly a lot better to have them do some time, send them on their way and they'll go straight back to attacking kids. This system sounds like something that should be explored more. Not sure why these places aren't in the UK, but no way will the government invest now to set this up. I wish they would xthey were in the uk they were called asylums. They're not asylums xwhat your describing is a secure mental institute. Your dressing it up nice but its the same thing its unjust to hold folk indefinatly and to me its more barbaric than the death sentence. An asylum is not for pedophiles and murderers. It's a mental hospital. And it's more unjust for the people who have been, or will be there victim to let them roam free x and is pedophilia not seen as a mental health issue? As for their victims or future victims that should be sorted at sentencing surely. not ......your sentenced to 1 yr in prison (not a mental health hospital) after which you will be found to be mad and held indefinatly. Im sorry that is what we had and did and stopped doing. Commit a crime it needs decent sentencing and rehabilitation during this time of incarceration" Decent sentencing is the problem though. With prison sentences often their time isn't long enough and they're let out well before the original sentence. I'm not talking about people who made a mistake or royally fucked up somehow. This is for serial offenders. They don't put every convicted person in there. If you'd rather have them get back in society while they're still dangerous that's your prerogative, but I'd rather see them locked up for life than be a risk to more children and babies x | |||
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"A quick Google kinda sums this up, sounds more like that is what you have done and read the headlines. As for professional capacity you said you were involved in removing children from homes and on the children's panel that is a professional capacity and if it is true then you should never have been that irresponsible as to post your personal opinion on an open forum knowing full well you would spark a debate on the subject. Being a professional person and reading the views of other clearly professional people on here you clearly need to rethink many things. Your comment said the panel took into account the best interest of the child. Would telling them you are going to execute their Dad,Mum or siblig be in the best interest for tge child? yet again you never seem to think about victims in this which again is a concern if you are serving on a children's panel. Ok i get it your simply on a wind up mission, clearly no matter what i say you wont listen and still try to wind up. I said further up the thread that of course it is not in the best interest of the child to kill the abuser and you still use that as a debate point so clearly your ignoring my comments and writing any old trash.
To the other poster that said he was on the panel , you are correct . The word punishment is never a word the panel would use , what i said was always punishment towards the abuser.
And lastly it was never my intention of making this a debate but its turned out to be very good and if it has even slightly made people aware how serious a problem it is in our OWN country then for that alone , im glad i posted it. Remember everyone and anyone can report their suspicions to police , teachers or social work or any other club or agency involved with children anonymously , even if your wrong at least it will be investigated. You may just save a child today. "Wind up mission.....are you really that arrogant and ignorant. I have listened to every idiotic point you have made and it is YOU that will not listen to those who are clearly in the know and have way more experience than you or I on this matter. Your point was the death penalty for abusers of children you clearly didn't think it through before posting and if you did then shame on you for deliberately trying to inflame a debate knowing full well the response it would get. I advice you to do many hours of research on these matters before commenting as this is what we actual professional people have to do to gain their qualifications in this area. Take onboard what people are saying as you are clearly backtracking on your points and what you have said previously. | |||
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"A quick Google kinda sums this up, sounds more like that is what you have done and read the headlines. As for professional capacity you said you were involved in removing children from homes and on the children's panel that is a professional capacity and if it is true then you should never have been that irresponsible as to post your personal opinion on an open forum knowing full well you would spark a debate on the subject. Being a professional person and reading the views of other clearly professional people on here you clearly need to rethink many things. Your comment said the panel took into account the best interest of the child. Would telling them you are going to execute their Dad,Mum or siblig be in the best interest for tge child? yet again you never seem to think about victims in this which again is a concern if you are serving on a children's panel. Ok i get it your simply on a wind up mission, clearly no matter what i say you wont listen and still try to wind up. I said further up the thread that of course it is not in the best interest of the child to kill the abuser and you still use that as a debate point so clearly your ignoring my comments and writing any old trash.
To the other poster that said he was on the panel , you are correct . The word punishment is never a word the panel would use , what i said was always punishment towards the abuser.
And lastly it was never my intention of making this a debate but its turned out to be very good and if it has even slightly made people aware how serious a problem it is in our OWN country then for that alone , im glad i posted it. Remember everyone and anyone can report their suspicions to police , teachers or social work or any other club or agency involved with children anonymously , even if your wrong at least it will be investigated. You may just save a child today.
Wind up mission.....are you really that arrogant and ignorant. I have listened to every idiotic point you have made and it is YOU that will not listen to those who are clearly in the know and have way more experience than you or I on this matter. Your point was the death penalty for abusers of children you clearly didn't think it through before posting and if you did then shame on you for deliberately trying to inflame a debate knowing full well the response it would get. I advice you to do many hours of research on these matters before commenting as this is what we actual professional people have to do to gain their qualifications in this area. Take onboard what people are saying as you are clearly backtracking on your points and what you have said previously."Ohh come on tae feck, im back tracking ??? No im saying like i always have said IN MY OPINION they should get the death penalty, me accepting reason that it will never happen is NOT backtracking lmfao. Its acepting that MY OPINION happen. And clearly your still not accepting whats in black and white further up where i spoke of the best interests of the child . Arrogant and ignorant you know what i say when the insults start, you have nothing credible left to put forward. Im done talking with ya bud even from your PROFESSIONAL and " more experienced" lol opinions. # Yawn | |||
"1) We do currently hold people in secure hospitals. Compulsory Treatment Orders. 2) As indicated above, increasing sentence length does not help. Prisoners cannot be made to take part in programmatic work to rehabilitate them. Often, they are released on license, with a requirement to participate in programmatic work being a condition which, if they breach, they face returning to jail for the remainder of their sentence. The acceptable level of engagement depends on their social worker." That's great!! Had never heard of it here. Maybe because in the Netherlands when it's in the news or in the paper they always say the verdict will be their jail time followed by this CTO and some of my family members work there so obviously I knew of its existence. I'm always pleased to hear this verdict when it comes to the child abusers, because I really don't believe a few years in the slammer will fix them. Here they never mention it when some sick person is sentenced to how ever many years (not enough) for ruining someone's, or several people's lives x | |||
"1) We do currently hold people in secure hospitals. Compulsory Treatment Orders. 2) As indicated above, increasing sentence length does not help. Prisoners cannot be made to take part in programmatic work to rehabilitate them. Often, they are released on license, with a requirement to participate in programmatic work being a condition which, if they breach, they face returning to jail for the remainder of their sentence. The acceptable level of engagement depends on their social worker." For the remainder of their sentence, so that implies there getting out early. Longer sentences and your programmes then, surely is the answer for persistant offenders. Until we are back to life sentences. Whats the facts and figures of rehabilitation i wonder. | |||
"1) We do currently hold people in secure hospitals. Compulsory Treatment Orders. 2) As indicated above, increasing sentence length does not help. Prisoners cannot be made to take part in programmatic work to rehabilitate them. Often, they are released on license, with a requirement to participate in programmatic work being a condition which, if they breach, they face returning to jail for the remainder of their sentence. The acceptable level of engagement depends on their social worker. For the remainder of their sentence, so that implies there getting out early. Longer sentences and your programmes then, surely is the answer for persistant offenders. Until we are back to life sentences. Whats the facts and figures of rehabilitation i wonder." Ah, missed that bit. Got too excited with nr 1  I'd still be all for locking them up indefinitely for the ones beyond help x | |||
"A quick Google kinda sums this up, sounds more like that is what you have done and read the headlines. As for professional capacity you said you were involved in removing children from homes and on the children's panel that is a professional capacity and if it is true then you should never have been that irresponsible as to post your personal opinion on an open forum knowing full well you would spark a debate on the subject. Being a professional person and reading the views of other clearly professional people on here you clearly need to rethink many things. Your comment said the panel took into account the best interest of the child. Would telling them you are going to execute their Dad,Mum or siblig be in the best interest for tge child? yet again you never seem to think about victims in this which again is a concern if you are serving on a children's panel. Ok i get it your simply on a wind up mission, clearly no matter what i say you wont listen and still try to wind up. I said further up the thread that of course it is not in the best interest of the child to kill the abuser and you still use that as a debate point so clearly your ignoring my comments and writing any old trash.
To the other poster that said he was on the panel , you are correct . The word punishment is never a word the panel would use , what i said was always punishment towards the abuser.
And lastly it was never my intention of making this a debate but its turned out to be very good and if it has even slightly made people aware how serious a problem it is in our OWN country then for that alone , im glad i posted it. Remember everyone and anyone can report their suspicions to police , teachers or social work or any other club or agency involved with children anonymously , even if your wrong at least it will be investigated. You may just save a child today.
Wind up mission.....are you really that arrogant and ignorant. I have listened to every idiotic point you have made and it is YOU that will not listen to those who are clearly in the know and have way more experience than you or I on this matter. Your point was the death penalty for abusers of children you clearly didn't think it through before posting and if you did then shame on you for deliberately trying to inflame a debate knowing full well the response it would get. I advice you to do many hours of research on these matters before commenting as this is what we actual professional people have to do to gain their qualifications in this area. Take onboard what people are saying as you are clearly backtracking on your points and what you have said previously.
Ohh come on tae feck, im back tracking ??? No im saying like i always have said IN MY OPINION they should get the death penalty, me accepting reason that it will never happen is NOT backtracking lmfao. Its acepting that MY OPINION happen. And clearly your still not accepting whats in black and white further up where i spoke of the best interests of the child . Arrogant and ignorant you know what i say when the insults start, you have nothing credible left to put forward. Im done talking with ya bud even from your PROFESSIONAL and " more experienced" lol opinions. # Yawn "Your arrogance and ignorance is your flippant disregard for professional people and thinking that this some sort of wind up. You said in your first post that all should be terminated. Then killing a parent wouldn't be in the best interests of the child so What is it. Kill them or not? You clearly have no clue about this and I seriously doubt you were ever on a panel making decisions about people's lives but if you have then I'd be interested it your 'professional opinion' So here's a real life situation that I have delt with. 8 year old girl was abused by her 10 year old female cousin. A numer of years later the 8 year old attempted suicide twice. Under your law the 10 year old wpuld now be executed. Please tell me how you as a children's panel member would explain to the 8 year old why their cousin whom she is still in contact with is being put to death. | |||
"A quick Google kinda sums this up, sounds more like that is what you have done and read the headlines. As for professional capacity you said you were involved in removing children from homes and on the children's panel that is a professional capacity and if it is true then you should never have been that irresponsible as to post your personal opinion on an open forum knowing full well you would spark a debate on the subject. Being a professional person and reading the views of other clearly professional people on here you clearly need to rethink many things. Your comment said the panel took into account the best interest of the child. Would telling them you are going to execute their Dad,Mum or siblig be in the best interest for tge child? yet again you never seem to think about victims in this which again is a concern if you are serving on a children's panel. Ok i get it your simply on a wind up mission, clearly no matter what i say you wont listen and still try to wind up. I said further up the thread that of course it is not in the best interest of the child to kill the abuser and you still use that as a debate point so clearly your ignoring my comments and writing any old trash.
To the other poster that said he was on the panel , you are correct . The word punishment is never a word the panel would use , what i said was always punishment towards the abuser.
And lastly it was never my intention of making this a debate but its turned out to be very good and if it has even slightly made people aware how serious a problem it is in our OWN country then for that alone , im glad i posted it. Remember everyone and anyone can report their suspicions to police , teachers or social work or any other club or agency involved with children anonymously , even if your wrong at least it will be investigated. You may just save a child today.
Wind up mission.....are you really that arrogant and ignorant. I have listened to every idiotic point you have made and it is YOU that will not listen to those who are clearly in the know and have way more experience than you or I on this matter. Your point was the death penalty for abusers of children you clearly didn't think it through before posting and if you did then shame on you for deliberately trying to inflame a debate knowing full well the response it would get. I advice you to do many hours of research on these matters before commenting as this is what we actual professional people have to do to gain their qualifications in this area. Take onboard what people are saying as you are clearly backtracking on your points and what you have said previously.
Ohh come on tae feck, im back tracking ??? No im saying like i always have said IN MY OPINION they should get the death penalty, me accepting reason that it will never happen is NOT backtracking lmfao. Its acepting that MY OPINION happen. And clearly your still not accepting whats in black and white further up where i spoke of the best interests of the child . Arrogant and ignorant you know what i say when the insults start, you have nothing credible left to put forward. Im done talking with ya bud even from your PROFESSIONAL and " more experienced" lol opinions. # Yawn
Your arrogance and ignorance is your flippant disregard for professional people and thinking that this some sort of wind up. You said in your first post that all should be terminated. Then killing a parent wouldn't be in the best interests of the child so What is it. Kill them or not? You clearly have no clue about this and I seriously doubt you were ever on a panel making decisions about people's lives but if you have then I'd be interested it your 'professional opinion' So here's a real life situation that I have delt with. 8 year old girl was abused by her 10 year old female cousin. A numer of years later the 8 year old attempted suicide twice. Under your law the 10 year old wpuld now be executed. Please tell me how you as a children's panel member would explain to the 8 year old why their cousin whom she is still in contact with is being put to death.
"Your clearly all talk and no ears or reading skills. What part are you not comprehending ? , i know capital punishment is not on the table so why are you giving examples lol For another wee snippet , the childrens panel, panel members is not a professional body of people so why would i claim to have a professional opinion. More lack of research and facts from yerself i think. For your scenario i will grace you with an answer though. As already said , but again you never listened, the childrens panel do not believe in using the word punishment so thats the first part of your answer, the second part is the childrens panel look to do what is in the best interest of the child , in your scenario both are children, so both will be treated differently but both will be dealt with in a way that is most suitable and as CHILDREN. | |||
"A quick Google kinda sums this up, sounds more like that is what you have done and read the headlines. As for professional capacity you said you were involved in removing children from homes and on the children's panel that is a professional capacity and if it is true then you should never have been that irresponsible as to post your personal opinion on an open forum knowing full well you would spark a debate on the subject. Being a professional person and reading the views of other clearly professional people on here you clearly need to rethink many things. Your comment said the panel took into account the best interest of the child. Would telling them you are going to execute their Dad,Mum or siblig be in the best interest for tge child? yet again you never seem to think about victims in this which again is a concern if you are serving on a children's panel. Ok i get it your simply on a wind up mission, clearly no matter what i say you wont listen and still try to wind up. I said further up the thread that of course it is not in the best interest of the child to kill the abuser and you still use that as a debate point so clearly your ignoring my comments and writing any old trash.
To the other poster that said he was on the panel , you are correct . The word punishment is never a word the panel would use , what i said was always punishment towards the abuser.
And lastly it was never my intention of making this a debate but its turned out to be very good and if it has even slightly made people aware how serious a problem it is in our OWN country then for that alone , im glad i posted it. Remember everyone and anyone can report their suspicions to police , teachers or social work or any other club or agency involved with children anonymously , even if your wrong at least it will be investigated. You may just save a child today.
Wind up mission.....are you really that arrogant and ignorant. I have listened to every idiotic point you have made and it is YOU that will not listen to those who are clearly in the know and have way more experience than you or I on this matter. Your point was the death penalty for abusers of children you clearly didn't think it through before posting and if you did then shame on you for deliberately trying to inflame a debate knowing full well the response it would get. I advice you to do many hours of research on these matters before commenting as this is what we actual professional people have to do to gain their qualifications in this area. Take onboard what people are saying as you are clearly backtracking on your points and what you have said previously.
Ohh come on tae feck, im back tracking ??? No im saying like i always have said IN MY OPINION they should get the death penalty, me accepting reason that it will never happen is NOT backtracking lmfao. Its acepting that MY OPINION happen. And clearly your still not accepting whats in black and white further up where i spoke of the best interests of the child . Arrogant and ignorant you know what i say when the insults start, you have nothing credible left to put forward. Im done talking with ya bud even from your PROFESSIONAL and " more experienced" lol opinions. # Yawn
Your arrogance and ignorance is your flippant disregard for professional people and thinking that this some sort of wind up. You said in your first post that all should be terminated. Then killing a parent wouldn't be in the best interests of the child so What is it. Kill them or not? You clearly have no clue about this and I seriously doubt you were ever on a panel making decisions about people's lives but if you have then I'd be interested it your 'professional opinion' So here's a real life situation that I have delt with. 8 year old girl was abused by her 10 year old female cousin. A numer of years later the 8 year old attempted suicide twice. Under your law the 10 year old wpuld now be executed. Please tell me how you as a children's panel member would explain to the 8 year old why their cousin whom she is still in contact with is being put to death.
Your clearly all talk and no ears or reading skills. What part are you not comprehending ? , i know capital punishment is not on the table so why are you giving examples lol For another wee snippet , the childrens panel, panel members is not a professional body of people so why would i claim to have a professional opinion. More lack of research and facts from yerself i think. For your scenario i will grace you with an answer though.
As already said , but again you never listened, the childrens panel do not believe in using the word punishment so thats the first part of your answer, the second part is the childrens panel look to do what is in the best interest of the child , in your scenario both are children, so both will be treated differently but both will be dealt with in a way that is most suitable and as CHILDREN.
"One quick add on , with your wee scenario . I question the fact the abuser child is still in contact with the victim. The childrens panel would NOT find that in the best interest of EITHER child. | |||
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"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. " The death penalty hasn’t been shown to be an effective deterrent. All you’ve done there is quote a couple of figures statistics, but done nothing to show any causality between the two. A much better comparison might be to compare two more culturally similar countries, like the UK and US. Or even differentvstates within the US. Neither would demonstrate that the death penalty was an effective deterrent. And even then, there are a host of other reasons why the death penalty shouldn’t be reintroduced. | |||
"Comparing stats drawn from such different samples and drawing a conclusion on that basis only is kinda foolish Any thoughts on the 63,000 kids or is it easier to just to comment on my conclussions as foolish. ? "Trying to provoke an emotional response to what happened to those children has no bearing whatsoever on the effectiveness or otherwise if the death penalty. | |||
"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs What i meant by not a debate was it wasnt one of MY debates that 8 occasionally post. And the kill them punishment is my opinion only. It turned into a debate but thats ok im always open to different viewpoints. Not a dig by the way just info, Pakistan done away with child brides a while ago. All things said about not comparing stats, i think people are being a bit to civilised and not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000 Uk " You haven’t actually demonstrated that though, have you? As discussed above there are all sorts of other factors involved. | |||
"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs What i meant by not a debate was it wasnt one of MY debates that 8 occasionally post. And the kill them punishment is my opinion only. It turned into a debate but thats ok im always open to different viewpoints. Not a dig by the way just info, Pakistan done away with child brides a while ago. All things said about not comparing stats, i think people are being a bit to civilised and not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000 Uk So if it works why has there been a 32% rise in the number of reported cases between Jan-june 2018 compared with the same months the previous year. Also your figures are not a true reflection as many cases go in reported due to the vast number of rural places being put of contact with the proper authorities. Valid points now for the answers Figures are going up across the world as it becomes more unacceptable " Eh? So child abuse was more acceptable 10 years ago than it is today? That’s an argument you want to make? | |||
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"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs What i meant by not a debate was it wasnt one of MY debates that 8 occasionally post. And the kill them punishment is my opinion only. It turned into a debate but thats ok im always open to different viewpoints. Not a dig by the way just info, Pakistan done away with child brides a while ago. All things said about not comparing stats, i think people are being a bit to civilised and not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000 Uk You haven’t actually demonstrated that though, have you? As discussed above there are all sorts of other factors involved." Very true but neither has anyone demonstrated the opposite and other than saying you cant compare this or that stat, no evidence shows it is not the death penalty that keeps the Pakistan figures low . They are only speaking from UK and Western world studies. Or mayby some of these people who DO claim to be " professional " people have been to Pakistan and have evidence otherwise. | |||
"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs What i meant by not a debate was it wasnt one of MY debates that 8 occasionally post. And the kill them punishment is my opinion only. It turned into a debate but thats ok im always open to different viewpoints. Not a dig by the way just info, Pakistan done away with child brides a while ago. All things said about not comparing stats, i think people are being a bit to civilised and not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000 Uk You haven’t actually demonstrated that though, have you? As discussed above there are all sorts of other factors involved. Very true but neither has anyone demonstrated the opposite and other than saying you cant compare this or that stat, no evidence shows it is not the death penalty that keeps the Pakistan figures low . They are only speaking from UK and Western world studies. Or mayby some of these people who DO claim to be " professional " people have been to Pakistan and have evidence otherwise. "That's because we are in the western world. Bur your right... American has the death penalty for murder. And it obviously works as a deterrent as I haven't seen a single report of a murder since it was intoduced. No wait..... | |||
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"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs What i meant by not a debate was it wasnt one of MY debates that 8 occasionally post. And the kill them punishment is my opinion only. It turned into a debate but thats ok im always open to different viewpoints. Not a dig by the way just info, Pakistan done away with child brides a while ago. All things said about not comparing stats, i think people are being a bit to civilised and not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000 Uk You haven’t actually demonstrated that though, have you? As discussed above there are all sorts of other factors involved. Very true but neither has anyone demonstrated the opposite and other than saying you cant compare this or that stat, no evidence shows it is not the death penalty that keeps the Pakistan figures low . They are only speaking from UK and Western world studies. Or mayby some of these people who DO claim to be " professional " people have been to Pakistan and have evidence otherwise. "Ah, see that’s not really how this works. If you want to make a claim, the onus is kind of on you to back that claim up with some sort of evidence. Not sit back and wait for others to disprove it. But since you asked, virtually all independent research into the effectiveness of the death penalty as an effective deterrent concludes that it is not. | |||
"You have said no one has demonstrated that the death penalty has NOT been an effective deterrent to child abuse in Pakistan. Please read the following link https://www.dawn.com/news/1383093 It’s basically a statistical breakdown of how the number of child abuse numbers have actually INCREASED despite the death penalty. Case and point. Mrs " Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is more acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago. I’m not convinced, but what do I know? | |||
"You have said no one has demonstrated that the death penalty has NOT been an effective deterrent to child abuse in Pakistan. Please read the following link https://www.dawn.com/news/1383093 It’s basically a statistical breakdown of how the number of child abuse numbers have actually INCREASED despite the death penalty. Case and point. Mrs " Yeah I pointed that out, it's risen by 32per cent. But apparently I'm missing the point. Go figure that one out? | |||
"You have said no one has demonstrated that the death penalty has NOT been an effective deterrent to child abuse in Pakistan. Please read the following link https://www.dawn.com/news/1383093 It’s basically a statistical breakdown of how the number of child abuse numbers have actually INCREASED despite the death penalty. Case and point. Mrs Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is more acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago. I’m not convinced, but what do I know?" I don’t think it’s more acceptable now it’s just probably more prevalent than before with people speaking out about it. | |||
"You have said no one has demonstrated that the death penalty has NOT been an effective deterrent to child abuse in Pakistan. Please read the following link https://www.dawn.com/news/1383093 It’s basically a statistical breakdown of how the number of child abuse numbers have actually INCREASED despite the death penalty. Case and point. Mrs " I addressed the increasing levels earlier in detail. Reporting is going up across the world. | |||
"You have said no one has demonstrated that the death penalty has NOT been an effective deterrent to child abuse in Pakistan. Please read the following link https://www.dawn.com/news/1383093 It’s basically a statistical breakdown of how the number of child abuse numbers have actually INCREASED despite the death penalty. Case and point. Mrs Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is more acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago. I’m not convinced, but what do I know?" Nice try guys , i said reporting it is more acceptable now. Of course child abuse is NOT more acceptable. A little bit of serious mis quoting there. | |||
"You have said no one has demonstrated that the death penalty has NOT been an effective deterrent to child abuse in Pakistan. Please read the following link https://www.dawn.com/news/1383093 It’s basically a statistical breakdown of how the number of child abuse numbers have actually INCREASED despite the death penalty. Case and point. Mrs Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is more acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago. I’m not convinced, but what do I know? Nice try guys , i said reporting it is more acceptable now. Of course child abuse is NOT more acceptable. A little bit of serious mis quoting there. "Which explains the rising figures. | |||
"Was reading a story about a police constable in Pakistan sentenced to death for sexual assault on 3 children. Heres some food for thought, Pakistan post figures of 3,500 reported child abuse cases in 2017 The uk reported 63,000 in the period 2016 to 2017. Who said the death penalty doesnt work or deter dispicable crimes. Not a debate here, i think they should be terminated. I don’t see the point in posting this if you end it with ‘not a debate here, I think they should be terminated’. Basically it reads like you aren’t interested in anyone else’s opinion. For what it’s worth I do personally agree with the death sentence in theory. However I think it’s impossible to implement fairly eg what merits death penalty and ensuring the person is actually the guilty party. As a lot of people have already referenced, you simply cannot compare stats for UK and Pakistan to justify the death penalty. The sheer cultural differences such as child brides, causing shame on the family essentially render the victims mute therefore resulting in lack of documented reports. It doesn’t have a direct correlation with the death penalty. I have experience of dealing with victims and abusers and I take my hat off to anyone who does the same because it can only be described as a harrowing experience. I don’t profess to know how this can be dealt with more efficiently but it’s definitely something the government should be throwing more funding at. Mrs What i meant by not a debate was it wasnt one of MY debates that 8 occasionally post. And the kill them punishment is my opinion only. It turned into a debate but thats ok im always open to different viewpoints. Not a dig by the way just info, Pakistan done away with child brides a while ago. All things said about not comparing stats, i think people are being a bit to civilised and not wanting to believe that capital punishment has made the child abuse figures in a year Uk 63,000 Pakistan 4,000 Uk So if it works why has there been a 32% rise in the number of reported cases between Jan-june 2018 compared with the same months the previous year. Also your figures are not a true reflection as many cases go in reported due to the vast number of rural places being put of contact with the proper authorities. Valid points now for the answers Figures are going up across the world as it becomes more unacceptable and more acceptable to report it so yes figures will rise for a long time to come. The uk has the same scenario though with not reporting. They reckon in the uk not half the cases are reported either, so nullifies your not reporting point. Now one last big stat for you. Uk population 67million roughly Pakistan 200 million population. You can disagree with the stats and comparisons all you like , in my opinion your not wanting to believe it no matter what. " She to throw the CORRECT quote out there again | |||
"You have said no one has demonstrated that the death penalty has NOT been an effective deterrent to child abuse in Pakistan. Please read the following link https://www.dawn.com/news/1383093 It’s basically a statistical breakdown of how the number of child abuse numbers have actually INCREASED despite the death penalty. Case and point. Mrs Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is more acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago. I’m not convinced, but what do I know? Nice try guys , i said reporting it is more acceptable now. Of course child abuse is NOT more acceptable. A little bit of serious mis quoting there. "Nice try, but you said this: “Figures are going up across the world as it becomes more unacceptable and more acceptable to report it” not: “Figures are going up across the world as it becomes more acceptable to report it” | |||
"You have said no one has demonstrated that the death penalty has NOT been an effective deterrent to child abuse in Pakistan. Please read the following link https://www.dawn.com/news/1383093 It’s basically a statistical breakdown of how the number of child abuse numbers have actually INCREASED despite the death penalty. Case and point. Mrs Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is more acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago. I’m not convinced, but what do I know? Nice try guys , i said reporting it is more acceptable now. Of course child abuse is NOT more acceptable. A little bit of serious mis quoting there.
Nice try, but you said this:
“Figures are going up across the world as it becomes more unacceptable and more acceptable to report it”
not:
“Figures are going up across the world as it becomes more acceptable to report it”"Are you on drugs , ??? It is more unacceptable and it is more acceptable to report it . Wheres the problem in that statement. ???? | |||
"Longer sentences and your programmes then, surely is the answer for persistant offenders. Until we are back to life sentences. Whats the facts and figures of rehabilitation i wonder." I see you’re still not listening. It’s like talking to a brick wall. Longer sentences do not work. For the third or fourth time, please, go and read scientific papers on whether harsher penalties work as a deterent, instead of repeating the same rubbish you keep on with. As I already said above, when given appropriate support, and offence focussed work, the rates of sexual recidivism are lower in sexual offenders than in any other type of crime. On average, 2% of sexual offenders will commit a sexual offence within a year of conviction, compared to 25-40% for other crimes. Go to the Scottish Government website and look for a report called ‘Moving Forward Making Changes: evaluation of a group-based treatment for sex offenders - summary’, it will give you the figures for the reduction in risk, and what those risks mean (eg, of those classed as ‘High risk’, 4% will be reconvicted). Rehabilitation, not punishment. | |||
"You have said no one has demonstrated that the death penalty has NOT been an effective deterrent to child abuse in Pakistan. Please read the following link https://www.dawn.com/news/1383093 It’s basically a statistical breakdown of how the number of child abuse numbers have actually INCREASED despite the death penalty. Case and point. Mrs Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is more acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago. I’m not convinced, but what do I know? Nice try guys , i said reporting it is more acceptable now. Of course child abuse is NOT more acceptable. A little bit of serious mis quoting there.
Nice try, but you said this:
“Figures are going up across the world as it becomes more unacceptable and more acceptable to report it”
not:
“Figures are going up across the world as it becomes more acceptable to report it”
Are you on drugs , ??? It is more unacceptable and it is more acceptable to report it . Wheres the problem in that statement. ????"Am I on drugs? Nope. If you are saying it is more unacceptable now, then that’s the same as saying it was more acceptable in the past. | |||
"You have said no one has demonstrated that the death penalty has NOT been an effective deterrent to child abuse in Pakistan. Please read the following link https://www.dawn.com/news/1383093 It’s basically a statistical breakdown of how the number of child abuse numbers have actually INCREASED despite the death penalty. Case and point. Mrs Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is more acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago. I’m not convinced, but what do I know? Nice try guys , i said reporting it is more acceptable now. Of course child abuse is NOT more acceptable. A little bit of serious mis quoting there.
Nice try, but you said this:
“Figures are going up across the world as it becomes more unacceptable and more acceptable to report it”
not:
“Figures are going up across the world as it becomes more acceptable to report it”
Are you on drugs , ??? It is more unacceptable and it is more acceptable to report it . Wheres the problem in that statement. ????
Am I on drugs? Nope.
If you are saying it is more unacceptable now, then that’s the same as saying it was more acceptable in the past.
"Are you saying in many institutions it wasnt classed as acceptable, childrens homes across the country, convents, religious establishments etc etc etc , it was all classed as not good happenings but not reported which means it was accepted behaviour. Or am i wrong again . ??? | |||
" Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is more acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago. I’m not convinced, but what do I know?" Kentish this is your quote , before you respond any more would you like to acknowledge that you made a wee mistake here saying this. | |||
" Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is more acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago. I’m not convinced, but what do I know? Kentish this is your quote , before you respond any more would you like to acknowledge that you made a wee mistake here saying this. " Sorry, you’re quite right. I meant to say: “Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is less acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago.” The point is broadly the same though, that society’s views of child abuse probably haven’t changed that much. You have since added a qualifier by referring to specific institutions such as care homes, but I’m not sure society’s general view of child abuse has changed that much over recent decades. Plus I thought this was most in reference to very recent increases in child abuse cases in Pakistan, so I’m not sure that citing decades old historical cases specific to UK institutions is entirely relevant. | |||
" Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is more acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago. I’m not convinced, but what do I know? Kentish this is your quote , before you respond any more would you like to acknowledge that you made a wee mistake here saying this. Sorry, you’re quite right. I meant to say: “Apparently that has been explained by the “fact” that child abuse is less acceptable now than it was, say, 10 years ago.” The point is broadly the same though, that society’s views of child abuse probably haven’t changed that much. You have since added a qualifier by referring to specific institutions such as care homes, but I’m not sure society’s general view of child abuse has changed that much over recent decades. Plus I thought this was most in reference to very recent increases in child abuse cases in Pakistan, so I’m not sure that citing decades old historical cases specific to UK institutions is entirely relevant." Appology accepted but my original quote about historical factors was simply it is more unacceptable now. Only quoted instances after it was mistakenly used against me. No probs anyway , hopefully you see why i was up in arms about saying child abuse is ever acceptable | |||
