So I been on the annual xmas staff party ,it started early and got chatting to one of the happiest nothing gets him down at work kind of guy and sadly it turned to a work colleague who hung himself in September without any warning or any idea he was that low ,I said it the cowards way out and its selfish ,this chaps reply was this ,Simon when your that low let me put in terms you will understand ,you wake up wondering will you take the red pill or the blue pill ,If you take the blue you get another shot at life ,if you take the red you dont so dont care who it affects ,was pretty deep for me so will say this if your that low pick up the phone, dont take the blue pill ,someone out there knows your demons and doesnt want to take it either  |
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I think that is where the problem lies, you are that low that it seems that no-one understands the unique problems that those suffering from depression think they have. Some people can cope and pick them selves up naturally others don’t. A listening ear may not solve the problems but gives them a chance to off load some of the worries.
I wouldn’t say it’s a cowards way out, it would take some strength of character albeit a bad choice one to take their own life.
This time of year most of us are surrounded by loving family others are surrounded by family that is far from loving others may be lonely with no family or friends to spend time with. |
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Unfortunately I have dealt with this within work and private life. Believe me it's not a cowards way out. People who are that low and that determined to not be here are far from cowardly. What we need to do is spot the signs and help them turn that strength and determination to end things into positivity. It's not easy and life ain't the movies but sometimes just saying hello to someone might be the only contact they have with someone all day. Unfortunately now we have social media which puts more pressure on younger people. I have dealt with teenagers who have attempted and thankfully didn't succeed. We need to get over the stigma of mental health and let people know it's ok to talk. People fear what they don't understand. If you have a broken leg they will help you on the bus....if you have a broken mind they will avoid talking to you as you are just feeling sorry for yourself. Depression is one of the biggest killers of men of all ages. And e need to change it.
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Samaritans
Whatever you're going through, call us free any time, from any phone on 116 123.
We're here round the clock, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. If you need a response immediately, it's best to call us on the phone. This number is FREE to call. You don't have to be suicidal to call us. |
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Samaritans
Whatever you're going through, call us free any time, from any phone on 116 123.
We're here round the clock, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. If you need a response immediately, it's best to call us on the phone. This number is FREE to call. You don't have to be suicidal to call us."
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I wouldn't say it's cowardly. I'd say it's a genuine, heartfelt and thought through belief that people in your life are better off without you or that there is no other way out or way forward from where you are. It takes a lot to feel like you can talk to anyone about it. It's easier to hide or put on a false front.
As far as society sees it, it's not OK to not be OK. That's changing but it's a slow change.
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"I wouldn't say it's cowardly. I'd say it's a genuine, heartfelt and thought through belief that people in your life are better off without you or that there is no other way out or way forward from where you are. It takes a lot to feel like you can talk to anyone about it. It's easier to hide or put on a false front.
As far as society sees it, it's not OK to not be OK. That's changing but it's a slow change.
V x"
Sadly this is true. Look forward to the day we can say "it's OK not to be OK" |
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As well as saying for those in the depth of despair to reach out and talk it's important to realise how impossible this is for many. If we spotted someone drowning would be expect them to save themselves or do we dive in to save them. Depression and suicidal thoughts can be likened to that feeling of losing your head under water.
We also need to be the ones reaching out to others. Be aware of others, take the time to learn the signs, be less self involved look up from our phones and have face to face conversations. Ask "how are you" and genuinely care about the answer. We all need to talk openly to break the taboos around mental illness and suicide. To stop the judgement that suicide is selfish.
It's a joint effort. Xx
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It is a hard thing to deal with depration and anxiety.it one of those invisible and no signs.
I myself have been suffering and batteling depration since I was 18 and now in early 40s still fighting you still have your good and bad days XX.
But we all need some sort off fun xx |
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Nice to see this post and ive pondered contributing to it a few times - and I hesitated - ive been dealing with depression and anxiety for going on 20 years and without going into details ive done a lot of stupid shit while trying to cope - all I want to say is the above writer is spot on - u need to talk - I was overwhelmed when I finally made it public what I was going through.i was amazed by so many others who were the same and the private messages,phone calls texts etc still going on now from genuinely concerned people about me - please please talk to someone if you ever feel this way - it made the difference to me |
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Not to put a downer on it but depression isnt a one cure fixes all some benefit from talking others would find it a hinderance never presume that trying to get someone to talk is helpful many folk who suffer from this suffer in silence and develop other coping stratagys |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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Pick up the phone or go and visit that friend who isn’t socialising or making excuses to not meet. They may have lost someone close or split up from a partner, money worries or issues with work.
Just spending a few minutes of your day can make a difference to them. |
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What a great post. The truth is, for me anyway, it is so hard to see the impact you would have on other people. Particularly if you see yourself as worthless. Definitely not the cowards way out although I completely understand where that idea comes from.
Taste care everyone and as many of the posts above have said it is ok not to be ok.
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For those who are suffering please remember that you are fighting every day that you are an inspiration to others who are in the same position and educating those who don't understand. So please keep fighting, keep inspiring and keep educating. |
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"I wouldn't say it's cowardly. I'd say it's a genuine, heartfelt and thought through belief that people in your life are better off without you or that there is no other way out or way forward from where you are. It takes a lot to feel like you can talk to anyone about it. It's easier to hide or put on a false front.
As far as society sees it, it's not OK to not be OK. That's changing but it's a slow change.
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V x"
This is so accurate no one realises that it's a finale call left down to person suffering. As you say there only thought is that the world will be better off without them. Folk don't realise that the last thing on they're mind is if others feel the same.its a complete loss of hope that no one can comprehend not even those close to you can see it most of the time |
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It annoys me that people claim that this is the cowards way out. I believe it’s in fact the opposite. One of my best friends took his life many years ago now and there’s barely a day goes by that I don’t think about him and how he must have been in such a terrible place and felt that he had no other choice. He was the life and soul of any party and always had a smile on his face and had time for anyone and always at the end of the phone. unfortunately we weren’t there for him when he needed us. The whole community were in shock as it seemed so out of character. But it just goes to show no matter how well we think we know someone we don’t know what there going through in there head and what demons there fighting personally. |
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I have been there.
Luckily my mate and Reiki teacher is at the other end of a phone for me.
I am an adult victim of child abuse, I have a narcissistic parent who controlled my life even after I had married and left the home.
I took the wrong careers advice to escape and as such suffer in a daily basis from PTSD.
At work I got by on adrenaline and was cool as ice, I participated in sports where one wrong move and I was dead. I continually pushed myself and my body to limits that could have and should have killed me.
Just as I became aware of me and who I really am my world collapsed around me and I reached for the wrong coloured pill.
My martial arts buddy and reiki coach was there at the time and stopped me.
I have spent the past 3 years or so studying Counselling and Psychotherapy to the point I start a new job in the New Year working as a child counsellor.
I have a business ready to promote and get off the ground offering self help through mindfulness, meditation, reiki and counselling
Don’t get me wrong I still get days where I want to shut out the world and end it all but my inner strength pulls me through
Days in here have helped me, some of the banter in here helps me realise I’m not the only fucked up soul around
So yes
If like me you dance with the Black Dog on a regular basis pick up the phone and talk to someone
Life is beautiful, you just need to see beyond the trees to understand it
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"I have been there.
Luckily my mate and Reiki teacher is at the other end of a phone for me.
I am an adult victim of child abuse, I have a narcissistic parent who controlled my life even after I had married and left the home.
I took the wrong careers advice to escape and as such suffer in a daily basis from PTSD.
At work I got by on adrenaline and was cool as ice, I participated in sports where one wrong move and I was dead. I continually pushed myself and my body to limits that could have and should have killed me.
Just as I became aware of me and who I really am my world collapsed around me and I reached for the wrong coloured pill.
My martial arts buddy and reiki coach was there at the time and stopped me.
I have spent the past 3 years or so studying Counselling and Psychotherapy to the point I start a new job in the New Year working as a child counsellor.
I have a business ready to promote and get off the ground offering self help through mindfulness, meditation, reiki and counselling
Don’t get me wrong I still get days where I want to shut out the world and end it all but my inner strength pulls me through
Days in here have helped me, some of the banter in here helps me realise I’m not the only fucked up soul around
So yes
If like me you dance with the Black Dog on a regular basis pick up the phone and talk to someone
Life is beautiful, you just need to see beyond the trees to understand it
I have
Namaste "
Namaste
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"I have been there.
Luckily my mate and Reiki teacher is at the other end of a phone for me.
I am an adult victim of child abuse, I have a narcissistic parent who controlled my life even after I had married and left the home.
I took the wrong careers advice to escape and as such suffer in a daily basis from PTSD.
At work I got by on adrenaline and was cool as ice, I participated in sports where one wrong move and I was dead. I continually pushed myself and my body to limits that could have and should have killed me.
Just as I became aware of me and who I really am my world collapsed around me and I reached for the wrong coloured pill.
My martial arts buddy and reiki coach was there at the time and stopped me.
I have spent the past 3 years or so studying Counselling and Psychotherapy to the point I start a new job in the New Year working as a child counsellor.
I have a business ready to promote and get off the ground offering self help through mindfulness, meditation, reiki and counselling
Don’t get me wrong I still get days where I want to shut out the world and end it all but my inner strength pulls me through
Days in here have helped me, some of the banter in here helps me realise I’m not the only fucked up soul around
So yes
If like me you dance with the Black Dog on a regular basis pick up the phone and talk to someone
Life is beautiful, you just need to see beyond the trees to understand it
I have
Namaste "
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When that darkness takes over and those demons are screaming louder than ever... it’s gets to a point where there really is no other choice. The silence is all you crave.
It’s not a cowards way out at all.
I’ve battled all my life with various demons and it gets no easier, in fact it’s the worse it’s ever been.
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"When that darkness takes over and those demons are screaming louder than ever... it’s gets to a point where there really is no other choice. The silence is all you crave.
It’s not a cowards way out at all.
I’ve battled all my life with various demons and it gets no easier, in fact it’s the worse it’s ever been.
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"When that darkness takes over and those demons are screaming louder than ever... it’s gets to a point where there really is no other choice. The silence is all you crave.
It’s not a cowards way out at all.
I’ve battled all my life with various demons and it gets no easier, in fact it’s the worse it’s ever been.
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Please please don't suffer in silence. Talk to someone |
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You are right every day is a constant battle , thinking the same crap day in day out gets worse at weekends when your TV becomes background noise .
I have had depression since I was 18yrs old through my own personal demons and night terrors and s.a.d in the winter |
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Fortunately I found out you can self refer for help through the internet for counselling . It’s only one phone call they ask a lot of questions it took about 15 minutes they do various programs for everyone daytimes evenings groups of up to 8 . Lectures for upto 100 without any questions you just listen and can approach the folk at the end of you wish . Realising your one of thousands going through similar things might just be enough to let you see it’ can be overcome . Not easily but gradually after 18 months and ups and downs the black dog doesn’t take away my attention though I know it’s never far away I don’t fear him now . Suicide was never painless as the mash theme tune hinted at .
Not everyone is ready to talk I wasn’t luckily I was able to listen before things had gone to far .
Take care everyone of your own wellbeing and those you care for . |
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"Im struggling right now. Its so hard and seems pointless."
Speak to someone and get some help don't let it get the better of you things can and will get better. It might not seem that way but if you truly want to see past this dark patch you need to fight it. Go for a walk do some exercise do anything that makes you feel good and occupies your mind. I know it's the hardest thing to do but try and keep active not just physically but mentally |
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"Im struggling right now. Its so hard and seems pointless.
Speak to someone and get some help don't let it get the better of you things can and will get better. It might not seem that way but if you truly want to see past this dark patch you need to fight it. Go for a walk do some exercise do anything that makes you feel good and occupies your mind. I know it's the hardest thing to do but try and keep active not just physically but mentally "
Thanks. I am getting help, have been for several months now. Treatment does help in general but not all the time.
However physical activity doesnt help at all. Medication and counselling help.
I am mentally active.
Sometimes you just have to go with the highs and lows. |
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I never know which way to react to it all being totally honest!!!...I've as no doubt loads have read and seen in life that it's been all to easy to use the words mental health and depression...I've had friends who lost they're jobs or family members pass away sadly...and end up on tablets..I just see these as life hurdles....not saying some it affects really badly but after seeing 4 people with all I can term it as real depression..true darkness I find some just frustrating...it's a horrible heartbreaking thing to see...my mate is 18st tattood madman lol yet 2yrs ago burst into tears on a night out...spent 2days n nights with him in total shock...but with the right proffesional help and friends there he's getting there...I'm still to this day confused by it all..learning slowly I hope tho...luv to all who are truly suffering at any time of year  |
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There's not a lot I can add to what's been said.
It is OK not to be OK
People get through it on their own way, sadly some dont.
Don't get so deep you can't swim, talk or listen or whatever it takes to get you back on the surface |
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Having lived and known my ex, she has been depressive, anorexic, bullemic and has mental health issue's for 20 years, think can say that have lived and seen all the symptoms and things that go with it. Sad to say it was these things that finally broke us up.
Not sure if it's cowardly or not but to them it becomes a state of mind and not matter what you or anyone else says it is all real and becomes very hard for them to accept anything else.
Having visited her in many clinics it is also surprising how many people do suffer  |
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Thankfully my husband hasnt left me. Hes very supportive which is just aswell as i cant help how i am. Its definetely a real illness and not imagined. No one would say to a cancer suffer that they are imagining it. |
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"You are right every day is a constant battle , thinking the same crap day in day out gets worse at weekends when your TV becomes background noise .
I have had depression since I was 18yrs old through my own personal demons and night terrors and s.a.d in the winter"
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There are now new ways of classifying acts associated with depression, and believe me,although some people will claim political correctness and roll their eyes at us snowflakes, when you realise that someone does know and understand, it takes a lot of weight off.
Cutting/bodily harm: Not everyone who cuts is suicidal, cutting isn't always a "cry for help". The worst thing you can do is lock away sharp objects, as long as they are not likely to fatally injure themselves, show them wound care and leave them alone.
Death by Suicide: Dying isn't a crime and shouldn't be associated with crime, no one "commits" suicide, suicide kills them. Ask many people with severe depression and they will tell you that they are disassociated. I am not me when I am depressed, I always feel that there is someone else trying to take control, My undepressed self loves to live and will continue to fight, my depressed side think everyone would be better off without me and nothing anyone says or does will convince it otherwise. Suicide is when the dark side wins, it happens to you, it's not something you do.
If you want to help, just ask straight out what you can do, but when it comes down to it, if the other side has won, there is probably nothing you can do.
*hugs* to everyone who need it.
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It's not a cowards way out, when you suffer mental health issues, sometimes it's the only way out. Over 70 veterans have ended their life this year alone in the UK through mental health/PTSD. I suffer from PTSD from an incident that happened in iraq in 2003, with PTSD it can take up to 10 years for it to manifest in someone. Help is very limited, and there is only a few treatments available for it, with varying degrees of success. I got CBT therapy, which made me worse. Talking does seem to help, if you can find a group with folk who have gone through similar experiences, and there are quite a few groups on social media now, that are set up for this, sharing experiences, and talking up about what you have gone through does help, it shows you don't have to fight this alone. With small steps the greatest of challenges can be overcome. |
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I have been dealing with depression for about 10 years now, at first I was say g to myself "pull yourself together" but now see someone 1 a month for counselling and I'm now having more good days than bad and have learnt to say, look I'm not myself just now so I need a wee cuddle/listening .
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"Im struggling right now. Its so hard and seems pointless.
Speak to someone and get some help don't let it get the better of you things can and will get better. It might not seem that way but if you truly want to see past this dark patch you need to fight it. Go for a walk do some exercise do anything that makes you feel good and occupies your mind. I know it's the hardest thing to do but try and keep active not just physically but mentally
Thanks. I am getting help, have been for several months now. Treatment does help in general but not all the time.
However physical activity doesnt help at all. Medication and counselling help.
I am mentally active.
Sometimes you just have to go with the highs and lows. "
Physical activity will help eventually look up a guy called Jay shetty on YouTube he has a great way of changing your view of things. I know it hard long rd to recovery but make the good days count hold your head up and know there is light at the end of the tunnel. If you haven't looked into it already get the headspace app and try meditation techniques |
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over a year ago
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Having lost a close family member to suicide at this time of year all I can add to this thread is that if anyone - male or female - is suffering from depression and these types of thoughts feel free to send a message. |
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"Having lost a close family member to suicide at this time of year all I can add to this thread is that if anyone - male or female - is suffering from depression and these types of thoughts feel free to send a message. "
Are you gonna counsel them? |
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It doesn't need to be counselling, just a chat can really help, at least it helps to show that someone is there and while its not professional help its something. (and yep have done counselling before anyone shouts at me)  |
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"If I had depression I'm not sure I'd be out pouring to a guy on a fuck site"
As you have reminded us and in particular me on many occasions, we all see and use this site differently and for our own reasons so why not just chat to someone. ? Not everyone uses it as a " fuck site".  |
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"If I had depression I'm not sure I'd be out pouring to a guy on a fuck site
As you have reminded us and in particular me on many occasions, we all see and use this site differently and for our own reasons so why not just chat to someone. ? Not everyone uses it as a " fuck site". "
Here would hardly be a logical choice to seek help with something sensitive though |
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you don't need to pour it all out, it might just be a matter of chatting and knowing that someone is there. Usually it can takes weeks or even years of counselling for reasons to come out but at least its something.
Think its nice of anyone to offer to be there.  |
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"you don't need to pour it all out, it might just be a matter of chatting and knowing that someone is there. Usually it can takes weeks or even years of counselling for reasons to come out but at least its something.
Think its nice of anyone to offer to be there. "
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"If I had depression I'm not sure I'd be out pouring to a guy on a fuck site
As you have reminded us and in particular me on many occasions, we all see and use this site differently and for our own reasons so why not just chat to someone. ? Not everyone uses it as a " fuck site".
Here would hardly be a logical choice to seek help with something sensitive though "
And thats because depression and suicide is a totally logical think eh. ? |
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"If I had depression I'm not sure I'd be out pouring to a guy on a fuck site
As you have reminded us and in particular me on many occasions, we all see and use this site differently and for our own reasons so why not just chat to someone. ? Not everyone uses it as a " fuck site".
Here would hardly be a logical choice to seek help with something sensitive though
And thats because depression and suicide is a totally logical think eh. ?"
You have a point.
But I'd like to think anyone who is approached by someone at a low ebb would signpost to professional help |
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"If I had depression I'm not sure I'd be out pouring to a guy on a fuck site
As you have reminded us and in particular me on many occasions, we all see and use this site differently and for our own reasons so why not just chat to someone. ? Not everyone uses it as a " fuck site".
Here would hardly be a logical choice to seek help with something sensitive though
And thats because depression and suicide is a totally logical think eh. ?
You have a point.
But I'd like to think anyone who is approached by someone at a low ebb would signpost to professional help"
I for one will always lend an ear. If someone needs a friend to chat to if I can. I know how isolated you can feel when you think know one feels the same or cares about you.xx |
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"Im struggling right now. Its so hard and seems pointless.
Speak to someone and get some help don't let it get the better of you things can and will get better. It might not seem that way but if you truly want to see past this dark patch you need to fight it. Go for a walk do some exercise do anything that makes you feel good and occupies your mind. I know it's the hardest thing to do but try and keep active not just physically but mentally
Thanks. I am getting help, have been for several months now. Treatment does help in general but not all the time.
However physical activity doesnt help at all. Medication and counselling help.
I am mentally active.
Sometimes you just have to go with the highs and lows.
Physical activity will help eventually look up a guy called Jay shetty on YouTube he has a great way of changing your view of things. I know it hard long rd to recovery but make the good days count hold your head up and know there is light at the end of the tunnel. If you haven't looked into it already get the headspace app and try meditation techniques "
Physical exercise definetely doesnt help me, its to painful which makes me feel worse.
My counsellor has given me techniques to use to help me. Mostly they help but somedays i simply retreat from the world. |
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"Im struggling right now. Its so hard and seems pointless.
Speak to someone and get some help don't let it get the better of you things can and will get better. It might not seem that way but if you truly want to see past this dark patch you need to fight it. Go for a walk do some exercise do anything that makes you feel good and occupies your mind. I know it's the hardest thing to do but try and keep active not just physically but mentally
Thanks. I am getting help, have been for several months now. Treatment does help in general but not all the time.
However physical activity doesnt help at all. Medication and counselling help.
I am mentally active.
Sometimes you just have to go with the highs and lows.
Physical activity will help eventually look up a guy called Jay shetty on YouTube he has a great way of changing your view of things. I know it hard long rd to recovery but make the good days count hold your head up and know there is light at the end of the tunnel. If you haven't looked into it already get the headspace app and try meditation techniques
Physical exercise definetely doesnt help me, its to painful which makes me feel worse.
My counsellor has given me techniques to use to help me. Mostly they help but somedays i simply retreat from the world."
That's a shame that exercise doesn't help but good that you've found other avenues.
Exercise works wonders for me, unfortunately I'm doing about 65 - 75 hours a week at work
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"Im struggling right now. Its so hard and seems pointless.
Speak to someone and get some help don't let it get the better of you things can and will get better. It might not seem that way but if you truly want to see past this dark patch you need to fight it. Go for a walk do some exercise do anything that makes you feel good and occupies your mind. I know it's the hardest thing to do but try and keep active not just physically but mentally
Thanks. I am getting help, have been for several months now. Treatment does help in general but not all the time.
However physical activity doesnt help at all. Medication and counselling help.
I am mentally active.
Sometimes you just have to go with the highs and lows.
Physical activity will help eventually look up a guy called Jay shetty on YouTube he has a great way of changing your view of things. I know it hard long rd to recovery but make the good days count hold your head up and know there is light at the end of the tunnel. If you haven't looked into it already get the headspace app and try meditation techniques
Physical exercise definetely doesnt help me, its to painful which makes me feel worse.
My counsellor has given me techniques to use to help me. Mostly they help but somedays i simply retreat from the world.
That's a shame that exercise doesn't help but good that you've found other avenues.
Exercise works wonders for me, unfortunately I'm doing about 65 - 75 hours a week at work
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If you have a spare 20mins you have time for exercise. I'm in a similar position with hrs. I have no other commitments so I can afford an hr 4-5 days a week. When I need to I'll just adapt my training to suit new commitments |
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If someone finds themselves in a situation like that, they may reach out, where they feel most comfortable, so in here, where they are behind an alias name or account would or could be logical. Plus we need to remember folk with mental health problems judgement may be clouded. I'd hate to think someone would take vantage of that, I have worked at director level for a few military charities, providing signposting services for veterans with mental health problems, i'm sure with a little research i could find services for civilian users, SAMH for instance. If someone does decide to reach out here, the good upstanding members should jump on it and see that help can be given, weather it be a sympathetic ear, or some signposting for further help. It is the season of goodwill, and makes up for all the naughtiness that normally occurs within the site. Iv'e lost too many good friends to mental health problems, i'd hate to see any more go, when there may be a chance to help. |
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"If someone finds themselves in a situation like that, they may reach out, where they feel most comfortable, so in here, where they are behind an alias name or account would or could be logical. Plus we need to remember folk with mental health problems judgement may be clouded. I'd hate to think someone would take vantage of that, I have worked at director level for a few military charities, providing signposting services for veterans with mental health problems, i'm sure with a little research i could find services for civilian users, SAMH for instance. If someone does decide to reach out here, the good upstanding members should jump on it and see that help can be given, weather it be a sympathetic ear, or some signposting for further help. It is the season of goodwill, and makes up for all the naughtiness that normally occurs within the site. Iv'e lost too many good friends to mental health problems, i'd hate to see any more go, when there may be a chance to help."
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