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My son who's 6 is always asking me 'what does gay mean?' And I'm openly honest with him when he's curious about words he hears from the tv or what he reads. | |||
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"I think it's a good thing. Educate them about it while they're still young and they will grown up not being homophobic and accept people for who they are x"Grow x | |||
"As much as i think its the right thing to do. I'm sad primary kids can't just be kids for that wee bit longer." yes I kind of agree with this. | |||
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""It will become compulsory for state schools in Scotland to teach their pupils the history of LGBTI equality and the movements involved, as well as delving into homophobia and transphobia. They will also be exploring LGBTI identities, as ministers accepted the proposal, led by the Time for Inclusive Education (TIE) campaign" Views? Good or bad? Apparently all state schools across Scotland but I've got a feeling it will be a select few John "It won't be a select few it'll be all of em So glad it's finally happened.  | |||
"I think it’s good but has to be done sensitively and staff need to be trained to answer the kids questions. " TIE campaign has been training teachers since the start, the teachers will know how to deal with it the training will be there | |||
"I think it’s good but has to be done sensitively and staff need to be trained to answer the kids questions. TIE campaign has been training teachers since the start, the teachers will know how to deal with it the training will be there " | |||
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""It will become compulsory for state schools in Scotland to teach their pupils the history of LGBTI equality and the movements involved, as well as delving into homophobia and transphobia. They will also be exploring LGBTI identities, as ministers accepted the proposal, led by the Time for Inclusive Education (TIE) campaign" Views? Good or bad? Apparently all state schools across Scotland but I've got a feeling it will be a select few John "I’m all for it. | |||
"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo" Why not?  | |||
"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo" My boys primary has just got their first transgender child. In primary 1! Don't think there's any way of avoiding it all tbh | |||
"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo" No hate here at all. Can I ask why though? | |||
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"Every person is different, whether it be their religion, a disability, colour of skin, or sexuality. I think it's a shame they feel the need it has to be taught in primary schools to be "normal", it's part of life and should just be accepted (I know.... maybe one day though). Smaller children don't make a fuss about these things. They will accept a person, no matter what they look like or believe in. I believe it's older kids and adults that will indoctrinate the stereotyping and discrimination. Doesn't matter what these kids are taught, it'll be their roll models who lead by example x" You are correct intolerance is educated into a young mind, usually by family members. No one is born with hate as a personality trait x | |||
"Every person is different, whether it be their religion, a disability, colour of skin, or sexuality. I think it's a shame they feel the need it has to be taught in primary schools to be "normal", it's part of life and should just be accepted (I know.... maybe one day though). Smaller children don't make a fuss about these things. They will accept a person, no matter what they look like or believe in. I believe it's older kids and adults that will indoctrinate the stereotyping and discrimination. Doesn't matter what these kids are taught, it'll be their roll models who lead by example x You are correct intolerance is educated into a young mind, usually by family members. No one is born with hate as a personality trait x" Yeah, that was what I meant in a nut shell x | |||
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"Every person is different, whether it be their religion, a disability, colour of skin, or sexuality. I think it's a shame they feel the need it has to be taught in primary schools to be "normal", it's part of life and should just be accepted (I know.... maybe one day though). Smaller children don't make a fuss about these things. They will accept a person, no matter what they look like or believe in. I believe it's older kids and adults that will indoctrinate the stereotyping and discrimination. Doesn't matter what these kids are taught, it'll be their roll models who lead by example x You are correct intolerance is educated into a young mind, usually by family members. No one is born with hate as a personality trait x Yeah, that was what I meant in a nut shell x"
Beat me to it as well. Prejudice begins at home whether it's sex, religion, culture.
Anything that expands the young minds about diversity is a good thing. | |||
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"Every person is different, whether it be their religion, a disability, colour of skin, or sexuality. I think it's a shame they feel the need it has to be taught in primary schools to be "normal", it's part of life and should just be accepted (I know.... maybe one day though). Smaller children don't make a fuss about these things. They will accept a person, no matter what they look like or believe in. I believe it's older kids and adults that will indoctrinate the stereotyping and discrimination. Doesn't matter what these kids are taught, it'll be their roll models who lead by example x You are correct intolerance is educated into a young mind, usually by family members. No one is born with hate as a personality trait x Yeah, that was what I meant in a nut shell x". You guys are right of course but would still think it's important to teach "inclusion" while the are in their formative years so that later on in life when they are forming their own opinions and ideas about life and whats right and wrong, it's already in there | |||
"Growing up queer in school was hard. I was bullied constantly, even before I'd come out to myself I was spat on and called a dyke. I didn't get to explore my sexuality the way that others did - I was terrified. Later,I was in bad relationship after bad relationship because I thought it was all I deserved. If it helps people grow up to be more understanding, tolerant and accepting of others it can only be a good thing." . No better point of view than one from someone who has been through it, hope life is treating you better now | |||
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""It will become compulsory for state schools in Scotland to teach their pupils the history of LGBTI equality and the movements involved, as well as delving into homophobia and transphobia. They will also be exploring LGBTI identities, as ministers accepted the proposal, led by the Time for Inclusive Education (TIE) campaign" Views? Good or bad? Apparently all state schools across Scotland but I've got a feeling it will be a select few John "No I don't think children...especially in primary should be taught about sexuality. No place in school whatsoever x | |||
""It will become compulsory for state schools in Scotland to teach their pupils the history of LGBTI equality and the movements involved, as well as delving into homophobia and transphobia. They will also be exploring LGBTI identities, as ministers accepted the proposal, led by the Time for Inclusive Education (TIE) campaign" Views? Good or bad? Apparently all state schools across Scotland but I've got a feeling it will be a select few John
No I don't think children...especially in primary should be taught about sexuality. No place in school whatsoever x"How is life back in the 20th century? | |||
""It will become compulsory for state schools in Scotland to teach their pupils the history of LGBTI equality and the movements involved, as well as delving into homophobia and transphobia. They will also be exploring LGBTI identities, as ministers accepted the proposal, led by the Time for Inclusive Education (TIE) campaign" Views? Good or bad? Apparently all state schools across Scotland but I've got a feeling it will be a select few John
No I don't think children...especially in primary should be taught about sexuality. No place in school whatsoever x
How is life back in the 20th century?"Master baiter strikes again.  | |||
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"You do realise that sex education is already taught from primary one? This adds to what children will be taught, and hopefully understand. It might make them challenge the knuckle-dragger attitudes they see and hear at home. " Are we talking about the homes where the adults use terms like Knuckle draggers and other insulting terms when other peoples opinions dont tally with their own. Is that not you contradicting your own argument for this education. ? | |||
"You do realise that sex education is already taught from primary one? This adds to what children will be taught, and hopefully understand. It might make them challenge the knuckle-dragger attitudes they see and hear at home. Are we talking about the homes where the adults use terms like Knuckle draggers and other insulting terms when other peoples opinions dont tally with their own. Is that not you contradicting your own argument for this education. ?" Do you come here conciously looking to argue, or is it just a total lack of self control once you log on? | |||
"You do realise that sex education is already taught from primary one? This adds to what children will be taught, and hopefully understand. It might make them challenge the knuckle-dragger attitudes they see and hear at home. Are we talking about the homes where the adults use terms like Knuckle draggers and other insulting terms when other peoples opinions dont tally with their own. Is that not you contradicting your own argument for this education. ? Do you come here conciously looking to argue, or is it just a total lack of self control once you log on?" Bait again. I put my opinion on the subject as did roleplay. You my friend was the one who threw insults out there. Ohh wait , you can TRY and put people down but when we answer back WE are the ones causing arguments ?? Yeah ok !!! | |||
"You do realise that sex education is already taught from primary one? This adds to what children will be taught, and hopefully understand. It might make them challenge the knuckle-dragger attitudes they see and hear at home. Are we talking about the homes where the adults use terms like Knuckle draggers and other insulting terms when other peoples opinions dont tally with their own. Is that not you contradicting your own argument for this education. ? Do you come here conciously looking to argue, or is it just a total lack of self control once you log on? Bait again. I put my opinion on the subject as did roleplay. You my friend was the one who threw insults out there. Ohh wait , you can TRY and put people down but when we answer back WE are the ones causing arguments ?? Yeah ok !!! "If you think I'm posting bait, don't take it. It will make the forum a quieter place. BTW, The post on this thread you first replied to had no reference to you, yet you chose to become confrontational. Why? | |||
"You do realise that sex education is already taught from primary one? This adds to what children will be taught, and hopefully understand. It might make them challenge the knuckle-dragger attitudes they see and hear at home. Are we talking about the homes where the adults use terms like Knuckle draggers and other insulting terms when other peoples opinions dont tally with their own. Is that not you contradicting your own argument for this education. ? Do you come here conciously looking to argue, or is it just a total lack of self control once you log on? Bait again. I put my opinion on the subject as did roleplay. You my friend was the one who threw insults out there. Ohh wait , you can TRY and put people down but when we answer back WE are the ones causing arguments ?? Yeah ok !!!
If you think I'm posting bait, don't take it. It will make the forum a quieter place.
BTW, The post on this thread you first replied to had no reference to you, yet you chose to become confrontational. Why?"#Yawn | |||
""It will become compulsory for state schools in Scotland to teach their pupils the history of LGBTI equality and the movements involved, as well as delving into homophobia and transphobia. They will also be exploring LGBTI identities, as ministers accepted the proposal, led by the Time for Inclusive Education (TIE) campaign" Views? Good or bad? Apparently all state schools across Scotland but I've got a feeling it will be a select few John
No I don't think children...especially in primary should be taught about sexuality. No place in school whatsoever x
How is life back in the 20th century?"It's a lot simpler thanks x | |||
"No issue with this at all. As long as they start instilling morals and a work ethic into kids. Also I'd like them to put an end to this snowflake generation who get offended at everything. " | |||
Firstly I don't think it should be in primary schools as kids that young don't need to fully understand as they need to be kids first, look at sex education at primary schools, once P7's get taught they are running around the whole school like Chinese whispers. Yes secondary schools should be taught about LGBT along with many other adult issues but I solely doubt that RC schools will allow it as they'll be put in a position of what's right and what's wrong in the eyes of God and they already go down their own route with education compared to non-denomination schools
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"Probably prefer it if they tackled a hard problem like sectarianism in Scotland first...but then again that's a hard one with no brownie points." | |||
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"Primary school kids should be allowed to be kids, i would say it should be high school before this type of education. Seems to me the whole world wants kids to grow up and deal with life and political correctness way to early. " It needs to be addressed before it is needed. I knew I fancied girls when I was about 8 or 9. If someone fancies the same sex before they know about same sex relationships then they are in the dark. It needs to be appropriate to the age, we are not talking about teaching 8 year olds about lube and cunnilingus but at least the fact that it is OK to be in a relationship with the same sex. | |||
"Anything that teaches young kids that people are different and that Gay/Bi and Trans is all ok and maybe means the forthcoming generations will be more accepting of others sexuality or gender issues and hopefully cut out the discriminiation and phobic bullshit cant be anything but a good thing... Anyone disagreeing with it in principal is just displaying their own prejudices tbh "I don't think that's a fair assumption tbh | |||
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"Primary school kids should be allowed to be kids, i would say it should be high school before this type of education. Seems to me the whole world wants kids to grow up and deal with life and political correctness way to early. It needs to be addressed before it is needed. I knew I fancied girls when I was about 8 or 9. If someone fancies the same sex before they know about same sex relationships then they are in the dark. It needs to be appropriate to the age, we are not talking about teaching 8 year olds about lube and cunnilingus but at least the fact that it is OK to be in a relationship with the same sex. "
And, whether we like it or not, kids can access all sorts of shit and misinformation online nowadays. I read recently that
more than half of 11yr olds have viewed some kind of pornography online. In an ideal world, kids would stay kids....but it's a fucked up world, so I do think that knowledge is power in this instance. As long as it is age appropriate. | |||
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"and would it be ok for 8,9,10 or 11 yr olds to have a brief teaching? hence my comment "In principal" not meaning against it where age appropriate, but if against it full stop I.E " in principal" then i stand by my comment. I've saw the damage living with discriminiation and phobia from society to gays or trans... one of my trans friends took her own life a couple of months back due to being unable to deal with the phobia and discriminiation..a bit of light teaching to kids to make them aware its ok to be different may well change societies attitude towards peoples issues and make future generations more tolerant isn't a bad thing.. so if anyones offended by my previous post. i just dont give a fuck" Wow And your asking for people to be tolerant with an attitude of , if your offended "i dont give a fuck" . | |||
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"I personally take offence to that statement. Im showing my own predjudices because i think 5 , 6, 7 year olds should not have to know about peoples sexual preferences ? (UNLESS they are curious enough to ask) . Theres still predjudices against blacks, chinese, muslims, kids who get free school meals and many many more things in the world. When were finished teaching children about all the predjudices in the world they wont have time for maths and English. And believe me lack of basic maths and English skill in adulthood will produce more predjudices in there future lives than than their sexual orientations ever will." | |||
"I personally take offence to that statement. Im showing my own predjudices because i think 5 , 6, 7 year olds should not have to know about peoples sexual preferences ? (UNLESS they are curious enough to ask) . Theres still predjudices against blacks, chinese, muslims, kids who get free school meals and many many more things in the world. When were finished teaching children about all the predjudices in the world they wont have time for maths and English. And believe me lack of basic maths and English skill in adulthood will produce more predjudices in there future lives than than their sexual orientations ever will." I'm not sure how much of an argument can be made that teaching inclusion will somehow sacrifice reading and writing skills. 5 yr olds are better mentally equipped to learn about inclusion than formal Maths and English. They're hardly going to be missing out on calculus and grammar skills - they're mostly play-learning at that stage anyway. | |||
"I personally take offence to that statement. Im showing my own predjudices because i think 5 , 6, 7 year olds should not have to know about peoples sexual preferences ? (UNLESS they are curious enough to ask) . Theres still predjudices against blacks, chinese, muslims, kids who get free school meals and many many more things in the world. When were finished teaching children about all the predjudices in the world they wont have time for maths and English. And believe me lack of basic maths and English skill in adulthood will produce more predjudices in there future lives than than their sexual orientations ever will. I'm not sure how much of an argument can be made that teaching inclusion will somehow sacrifice reading and writing skills. 5 yr olds are better mentally equipped to learn about inclusion than formal Maths and English. They're hardly going to be missing out on calculus and grammar skills - they're mostly play-learning at that stage anyway. " nail.head.bang.on | |||
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"If you don't agree with us then your showing your prejudices to those writing this are you not in actuality showing your own prejudice towards folk who don't agree with you. That's the thing with pcism a lot of the time those who engage with it end up tyrannical " nail.head.bang.on | |||
"If you don't agree with us then your showing your prejudices to those writing this are you not in actuality showing your own prejudice towards folk who don't agree with you. That's the thing with pcism a lot of the time those who engage with it end up tyrannical nail.head.bang.on "Nice to see you surface and post again now you think you have some support 
Pointing out peoples prejudices does not make a person prejudiced themselves.
Sticking up for someones rights, especially discrimination directed towards a minority group does not make that person tyrannical...I
I could argue all day about shit like this but id just be lowering myself...and i know it would be a waste of time, akin to reasoning with a housebrick | |||
"If you don't agree with us then your showing your prejudices to those writing this are you not in actuality showing your own prejudice towards folk who don't agree with you. That's the thing with pcism a lot of the time those who engage with it end up tyrannical nail.head.bang.on
Nice to see you surface and post again now you think you have some support
Pointing out peoples prejudices does not make a person prejudiced themselves.
Sticking up for someones rights, especially discrimination directed towards a minority group does not make that person tyrannical...I
I could argue all day about shit like this but id just be lowering myself...and i know it would be a waste of time, akin to reasoning with a housebrick "Was simply making a point. Which is why i COPIED AND PASTED your exact message when you had someone AGREE with your point. And why would you ARGUE your point or not ARGUE your point, personally i prefer to debate things. ? | |||
"I think it’s good but has to be done sensitively and staff need to be trained to answer the kids questions. TIE campaign has been training teachers since the start, the teachers will know how to deal with it the training will be there " I’m sorry, teachers can’t deal with simple issues in class let alone complex ones. Kids have mental health issues that aren’t being identified and youngsters are committing suicide. Some kids have undiagnosed conditions and are being treated as trouble makers and being excluded. I’m not really sure why they need to know the history behind LGBT, kids hardly know the history of their own country let alone anything else. The Scottish Government needs to fund schools properly, bring in counsellors and increase the support for pupils. Schools need to get a reality check and stop banning kids for things like shaving their hair or boys having long hair. How can they teach LGBT awareness when the schools themselves aren’t putting it in to practice now! | |||
"I think it’s good but has to be done sensitively and staff need to be trained to answer the kids questions. TIE campaign has been training teachers since the start, the teachers will know how to deal with it the training will be there I’m sorry, teachers can’t deal with simple issues in class let alone complex ones. Kids have mental health issues that aren’t being identified and youngsters are committing suicide. Some kids have undiagnosed conditions and are being treated as trouble makers and being excluded. I’m not really sure why they need to know the history behind LGBT, kids hardly know the history of their own country let alone anything else. The Scottish Government needs to fund schools properly, bring in counsellors and increase the support for pupils. Schools need to get a reality check and stop banning kids for things like shaving their hair or boys having long hair. How can they teach LGBT awareness when the schools themselves aren’t putting it in to practice now! " This (the first bit anyway) When did teachers stop teaching and become social workers x | |||
"I think it’s good but has to be done sensitively and staff need to be trained to answer the kids questions. TIE campaign has been training teachers since the start, the teachers will know how to deal with it the training will be there I’m sorry, teachers can’t deal with simple issues in class let alone complex ones. Kids have mental health issues that aren’t being identified and youngsters are committing suicide. Some kids have undiagnosed conditions and are being treated as trouble makers and being excluded. I’m not really sure why they need to know the history behind LGBT, kids hardly know the history of their own country let alone anything else. The Scottish Government needs to fund schools properly, bring in counsellors and increase the support for pupils. Schools need to get a reality check and stop banning kids for things like shaving their hair or boys having long hair. How can they teach LGBT awareness when the schools themselves aren’t putting it in to practice now! This (the first bit anyway) When did teachers stop teaching and become social workers x" Unfortunately some time ago or at least they have expected to be... | |||
"I think it’s good but has to be done sensitively and staff need to be trained to answer the kids questions. TIE campaign has been training teachers since the start, the teachers will know how to deal with it the training will be there I’m sorry, teachers can’t deal with simple issues in class let alone complex ones. Kids have mental health issues that aren’t being identified and youngsters are committing suicide. Some kids have undiagnosed conditions and are being treated as trouble makers and being excluded. I’m not really sure why they need to know the history behind LGBT, kids hardly know the history of their own country let alone anything else. The Scottish Government needs to fund schools properly, bring in counsellors and increase the support for pupils. Schools need to get a reality check and stop banning kids for things like shaving their hair or boys having long hair. How can they teach LGBT awareness when the schools themselves aren’t putting it in to practice now! This (the first bit anyway) When did teachers stop teaching and become social workers x" When they stopped being able to teach, sadly our education system has kids teaching kids John | |||
"I think it’s good but has to be done sensitively and staff need to be trained to answer the kids questions. TIE campaign has been training teachers since the start, the teachers will know how to deal with it the training will be there I’m sorry, teachers can’t deal with simple issues in class let alone complex ones. Kids have mental health issues that aren’t being identified and youngsters are committing suicide. Some kids have undiagnosed conditions and are being treated as trouble makers and being excluded. I’m not really sure why they need to know the history behind LGBT, kids hardly know the history of their own country let alone anything else. The Scottish Government needs to fund schools properly, bring in counsellors and increase the support for pupils. Schools need to get a reality check and stop banning kids for things like shaving their hair or boys having long hair. How can they teach LGBT awareness when the schools themselves aren’t putting it in to practice now! This (the first bit anyway) When did teachers stop teaching and become social workers x When they stopped being able to teach, sadly our education system has kids teaching kids John "That's a whole other thread entirely. I also disagree. Someone's age has no basis on their level of teaching x | |||
"I work in a primary school and I think it’s a brilliant idea, and one I am totally on board with. I had to have a chat with a group of P4-P6 boys because they kept making fun of lesbians and gay people. After our chat they were a bit more accepting - but they still use ‘gay!’ as an insult every so often. There are more same sex couples than ever before now, and there will be bound to be some at your local primary school. If children don’t understand something, they will ask about it. Better to explain young. " Not sure if it's a good idea to have face pics on here in your line of work. People have been known to get sacked for showing a lot less than you are x | |||
"I work in a primary school and I think it’s a brilliant idea, and one I am totally on board with. I had to have a chat with a group of P4-P6 boys because they kept making fun of lesbians and gay people. After our chat they were a bit more accepting - but they still use ‘gay!’ as an insult every so often. There are more same sex couples than ever before now, and there will be bound to be some at your local primary school. If children don’t understand something, they will ask about it. Better to explain young. Not sure if it's a good idea to have face pics on here in your line of work. People have been known to get sacked for showing a lot less than you are x" I have thought that before. There is a fan page of my kids teachers. Nothing sexual but it's went round the whole school x | |||
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"I think it’s good but has to be done sensitively and staff need to be trained to answer the kids questions. TIE campaign has been training teachers since the start, the teachers will know how to deal with it the training will be there I’m sorry, teachers can’t deal with simple issues in class let alone complex ones. Kids have mental health issues that aren’t being identified and youngsters are committing suicide. Some kids have undiagnosed conditions and are being treated as trouble makers and being excluded. I’m not really sure why they need to know the history behind LGBT, kids hardly know the history of their own country let alone anything else. The Scottish Government needs to fund schools properly, bring in counsellors and increase the support for pupils. Schools need to get a reality check and stop banning kids for things like shaving their hair or boys having long hair. How can they teach LGBT awareness when the schools themselves aren’t putting it in to practice now! This (the first bit anyway) When did teachers stop teaching and become social workers x When they stopped being able to teach, sadly our education system has kids teaching kids John
That's a whole other thread entirely. I also disagree. Someone's age has no basis on their level of teaching x"I disagree In high school anyway. Iv had 1 teacher more interested in showing her class her insta pics of her weekend and iv had 1 teacher cry because a 15yr old boy told her she was ugly. Ok I'm sure there are some good young teachers out there but there's a certain maturity needed for the craziness of high school. In my day if a teacher said jump we would say how high.didnt know any of their 1st names or anything now they are way too familiar even some going by their 1st names? | |||
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"I think it’s good but has to be done sensitively and staff need to be trained to answer the kids questions. TIE campaign has been training teachers since the start, the teachers will know how to deal with it the training will be there I’m sorry, teachers can’t deal with simple issues in class let alone complex ones. Kids have mental health issues that aren’t being identified and youngsters are committing suicide. Some kids have undiagnosed conditions and are being treated as trouble makers and being excluded. I’m not really sure why they need to know the history behind LGBT, kids hardly know the history of their own country let alone anything else. The Scottish Government needs to fund schools properly, bring in counsellors and increase the support for pupils. Schools need to get a reality check and stop banning kids for things like shaving their hair or boys having long hair. How can they teach LGBT awareness when the schools themselves aren’t putting it in to practice now! " You do know which kids are most likely to attempt/commit suicide? L G B T Teach for understanding and tolerance. Teach how it makes an lgbt child feel to be called hateful names, to be beaten up, ostracised. Teach them that there are many expressions of love and that it's ok to be different. | |||
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"I think it’s good but has to be done sensitively and staff need to be trained to answer the kids questions. " Proper training....for teachers? I wish! Novel idea but the harsh reality of over crowded curriculum, lack of training, staff own views and that question of at what age...it'll likely not take off or be botched | |||
"I think it’s good but has to be done sensitively and staff need to be trained to answer the kids questions. Proper training....for teachers? I wish! Novel idea but the harsh reality of over crowded curriculum, lack of training, staff own views and that question of at what age...it'll likely not take off or be botched" We have a sever shortage of teachers in our area and teachers are in revolt over primary school testing. The SG might be better placed sorting out the entire education crisis before trying to add even more to the curriculum | |||
"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo" Perish the thought that schools should be about education, eh? | |||
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"Ok folks, when do children become sexually active?" What has that got to do with encouraging tolerance and inclusion? | |||
"Ok folks, when do children become sexually active? What has that got to do with encouraging tolerance and inclusion?" I see a lot of people on here saying that we should just let kids be kids, so i'm curious, what age do people think children become sexually active? | |||
"Ok folks, when do children become sexually active? What has that got to do with encouraging tolerance and inclusion? I see a lot of people on here saying that we should just let kids be kids, so i'm curious, what age do people think children become sexually active?" No idea, but if you just let kids be kids, with no guidance, then the pack mentality will soon emerge, and the prejudices bestowed on them at home will make it all good yeah? | |||
"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo Perish the thought that schools should be about education, eh?" that's my point it should only be about education. Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with | |||
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"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo Perish the thought that schools should be about education, eh?that's my point it should only be about education. Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with" Inclusion isn't a version of truth. | |||
"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo Perish the thought that schools should be about education, eh?that's my point it should only be about education. Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with Inclusion isn't a version of truth." Also, tolerance shouldn't be a lifestyle. | |||
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"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo Perish the thought that schools should be about education, eh?that's my point it should only be about education. Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with Inclusion isn't a version of truth." by that maxim be nice to everyone is all that's needed then isn't it | |||
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"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo Perish the thought that schools should be about education, eh?that's my point it should only be about education. Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with Inclusion isn't a version of truth.by that maxim be nice to everyone is all that's needed then isn't it "Teach them and let them make their own minds up how to behave to others. | |||
"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo Perish the thought that schools should be about education, eh?that's my point it should only be about education. Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with Inclusion isn't a version of truth.by that maxim be nice to everyone is all that's needed then isn't it
Teach them and let them make their own minds up how to behave to others."Yeah, like that has worked already. Look at all the things that method has eradicated: Sectarianism Racism Sexism Homophobia Xenophobia.... Oh, wait... | |||
"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo Perish the thought that schools should be about education, eh?that's my point it should only be about education. Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with Inclusion isn't a version of truth.by that maxim be nice to everyone is all that's needed then isn't it
Teach them and let them make their own minds up how to behave to others.
Yeah, like that has worked already.
Look at all the things that method has eradicated:
Sectarianism
Racism
Sexism
Homophobia
Xenophobia....
Oh, wait...
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"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo Perish the thought that schools should be about education, eh?that's my point it should only be about education. Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with Inclusion isn't a version of truth.by that maxim be nice to everyone is all that's needed then isn't it
Teach them and let them make their own minds up how to behave to others.
Yeah, like that has worked already.
Look at all the things that method has eradicated:
Sectarianism
Racism
Sexism
Homophobia
Xenophobia....
Oh, wait...
These things will never be eradicated."I take it yer glass is half empty? | |||
"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo Perish the thought that schools should be about education, eh?that's my point it should only be about education. Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with Inclusion isn't a version of truth.by that maxim be nice to everyone is all that's needed then isn't it
Teach them and let them make their own minds up how to behave to others.
Yeah, like that has worked already.
Look at all the things that method has eradicated:
Sectarianism
Racism
Sexism
Homophobia
Xenophobia....
Oh, wait...
These things will never be eradicated.
I take it yer glass is half empty? "Just realistic. The utopian dream where everyone accepts everyone else is just that, a dream. There will always be people that believe some things are wrong. Squeezing harder and telling people they cannot hold those beliefs is bringing on a global right-wing rising. That is today's reality. | |||
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"These humans.. I despair. Give it a couple of thousand years and you'll be extinct again. If you make it that far. "You know we're still in the dark ages. Born in the wrong time. All we can do is keep the dream alive and the jokes flowing x | |||
" Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with" What's not agreed upon? Versions of truth? Contentious? What are you talking about? I do not understand. | |||
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" Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with" Swinging is a lifestyle. A choice. Being LGBT isn't a choice. Would you choose to be lesbian, gay, bi or trans, with the hostility, prejudice, bullying, and ignorance of a closed mind society, and yes, large sections of society still are. You can see it on this thread. Would you choose that as a "lifestyle", knowing what you will face? It is not a lifestyle, and not a choice. It is a reality for those who live their lives as LGBT. | |||
" Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with What's not agreed upon? Versions of truth? Contentious? What are you talking about? I do not understand. " I'm gonna go with the 't' part. Many many people just do not believe in it, they believe you are born male or female and that's that. I feel as long as they are not treating transgender persons adversely then that is their choice, to not agree with it. But then if you start teaching their children things they disagree with, and call them prejudiced and closed-minded if they don't agree (as another poster has done) then things are going to get contentious. For clarity, I am one of those persons that feels desire to change gender is a psychological rather than biological thing. I do not believe we ever really change gender even with operations or hormones. BUT if a transgender person wants me to call them by their preferred noun or whatever I will. I would not say refuse them a job or anything based on it. I would not discriminate against them. But I have been told on many occasions that's not enough. If I do not believe in it, I am phobic. And this is where it gets contentious. Tell people often enough they cannot hold their own views and they will push back. | |||
" Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with Swinging is a lifestyle. A choice. Being LGBT isn't a choice. Would you choose to be lesbian, gay, bi or trans, with the hostility, prejudice, bullying, and ignorance of a closed mind society, and yes, large sections of society still are. You can see it on this thread. Would you choose that as a "lifestyle", knowing what you will face? It is not a lifestyle, and not a choice. It is a reality for those who live their lives as LGBT." Seeing LGBT as a lifestyle is a choice, one bereft of science, but a choice all the same... | |||
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"Primary school kids should be allowed to be kids, i would say it should be high school before this type of education. Seems to me the whole world wants kids to grow up and deal with life and political correctness way to early. " 1. Inclusion is not political correctness. 2. My daughter is ten. She, like many girls in this world where we fill the food chain with hormones, is developing breasts and hitting teenage sulks already. The media is filled with sexualised imagery and references. Boys in her class are talking about the porn they watch. So just when do you suggest that she hear rational, balanced information? | |||
"Primary school kids should be allowed to be kids, i would say it should be high school before this type of education. Seems to me the whole world wants kids to grow up and deal with life and political correctness way to early. 1. Inclusion is not political correctness. 2. My daughter is ten. She, like many girls in this world where we fill the food chain with hormones, is developing breasts and hitting teenage sulks already. The media is filled with sexualised imagery and references. Boys in her class are talking about the porn they watch. So just when do you suggest that she hear rational, balanced information?" This | |||
"Primary school kids should be allowed to be kids, i would say it should be high school before this type of education. Seems to me the whole world wants kids to grow up and deal with life and political correctness way to early. 1. Inclusion is not political correctness. 2. My daughter is ten. She, like many girls in this world where we fill the food chain with hormones, is developing breasts and hitting teenage sulks already. The media is filled with sexualised imagery and references. Boys in her class are talking about the porn they watch. So just when do you suggest that she hear rational, balanced information?" This shit you describe in your second point is why I strongly prefer Asian societies now after my experiences in the West. In Asia kids are still kids at their age, especially without that horror reality of hormone-filled foods bringing on earlier onsets of puberty in them, or the rampant and permissive attitudes towards sex and pornography. At this current rate, would someone one day dare to push to lower the limit on what constitutes a "child" in terms of age? I mean, there'd be a valid case to argue for that if we're going to see more and more children mature faster physically, itching to test those boundaries out and thinking that looking or having bodies that are borderline adult would justify such mentalities and behaviour. But I digress anyhow. | |||
"Primary school kids should be allowed to be kids, i would say it should be high school before this type of education. Seems to me the whole world wants kids to grow up and deal with life and political correctness way to early. 1. Inclusion is not political correctness. 2. My daughter is ten. She, like many girls in this world where we fill the food chain with hormones, is developing breasts and hitting teenage sulks already. The media is filled with sexualised imagery and references. Boys in her class are talking about the porn they watch. So just when do you suggest that she hear rational, balanced information? This shit you describe in your second point is why I strongly prefer Asian societies now after my experiences in the West. In Asia kids are still kids at their age, especially without that horror reality of hormone-filled foods bringing on earlier onsets of puberty in them, or the rampant and permissive attitudes towards sex and pornography. At this current rate, would someone one day dare to push to lower the limit on what constitutes a "child" in terms of age? I mean, there'd be a valid case to argue for that if we're going to see more and more children mature faster physically, itching to test those boundaries out and thinking that looking or having bodies that are borderline adult would justify such mentalities and behaviour. But I digress anyhow. " Give it a few decades we'll all be speaking Mandarin anyway | |||
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"Asian societies? Like Japan and China with their fetishization of schoolgirls? Their age of consent set at 13? Japan is ranked 114th in the world for gender equality. China still has huge issues with unwanted female children. Or will we talk about the 'rope' (fab bans the correct word here) culture in certain Asian countries? Forced marriage of very young girls? Aye, their culture is so much better." Why is there no like function here... | |||
"Primary school kids should be allowed to be kids, i would say it should be high school before this type of education. Seems to me the whole world wants kids to grow up and deal with life and political correctness way to early. 1. Inclusion is not political correctness. 2. My daughter is ten. She, like many girls in this world where we fill the food chain with hormones, is developing breasts and hitting teenage sulks already. The media is filled with sexualised imagery and references. Boys in her class are talking about the porn they watch. So just when do you suggest that she hear rational, balanced information? This shit you describe in your second point is why I strongly prefer Asian societies now after my experiences in the West. In Asia kids are still kids at their age, especially without that horror reality of hormone-filled foods bringing on earlier onsets of puberty in them, or the rampant and permissive attitudes towards sex and pornography. At this current rate, would someone one day dare to push to lower the limit on what constitutes a "child" in terms of age? I mean, there'd be a valid case to argue for that if we're going to see more and more children mature faster physically, itching to test those boundaries out and thinking that looking or having bodies that are borderline adult would justify such mentalities and behaviour. But I digress anyhow. Give it a few decades we'll all be speaking Mandarin anyway "Aha. I can always help with free lessons. Only for Fab people mind. Everyone else pays up! | |||
"Asian societies? Like Japan and China with their fetishization of schoolgirls? Their age of consent set at 13? Japan is ranked 114th in the world for gender equality. China still has huge issues with unwanted female children. Or will we talk about the 'rope' (fab bans the correct word here) culture in certain Asian countries? Forced marriage of very young girls? Aye, their culture is so much better." WHOAWHOAWHOAWHOAWHOA. The fetishisation of schoolgirls exists mainly in JAPAN. Not China. How could that shit even happen in China when they used to have one-child policy going on and female infants were often abandoned or outright "disappeared" in favour of male ones? Age of consent set at 13? Well given what was said about girls and boys in the West maturing and hitting sexual and physical maturity faster thanks to hormonal foods, give it a couple decades and you'll see that happening sooner or later too. Not even gonna bother about all your other points because i'm not about to be drawn into a big fight on the forum about unrelated topics. But hey, at least in Asia, we value education far more strongly in our culture than the West. Maybe that's why they say give it a hundred years and you'll see Asia and China rule the world when the West slides into decadent hedonistic moral decline. | |||
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"Hate if you please but this has no place in schooling imo Perish the thought that schools should be about education, eh?that's my point it should only be about education. Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with Inclusion isn't a version of truth.by that maxim be nice to everyone is all that's needed then isn't it
Teach them and let them make their own minds up how to behave to others."and again teach them who's version of truth now you see what the problem is it's not an agreed upon absolute so it can't be taught | |||
"Asian societies? Like Japan and China with their fetishization of schoolgirls? Their age of consent set at 13? Japan is ranked 114th in the world for gender equality. China still has huge issues with unwanted female children. Or will we talk about the 'rope' (fab bans the correct word here) culture in certain Asian countries? Forced marriage of very young girls? Aye, their culture is so much better. WHOAWHOAWHOAWHOAWHOA. The fetishisation of schoolgirls exists mainly in JAPAN. Not China. How could that shit even happen in China when they used to have one-child policy going on and female infants were often abandoned or outright "disappeared" in favour of male ones? Age of consent set at 13? Well given what was said about girls and boys in the West maturing and hitting sexual and physical maturity faster thanks to hormonal foods, give it a couple decades and you'll see that happening sooner or later too. Not even gonna bother about all your other points because i'm not about to be drawn into a big fight on the forum about unrelated topics. But hey, at least in Asia, we value education far more strongly in our culture than the West. Maybe that's why they say give it a hundred years and you'll see Asia and China rule the world when the West slides into decadent hedonistic moral decline. " scary but I kinda agree with the possible scenario you describe | |||
" Lgbt isn't education it's lifestyle and it's also contentious and not agreed upon so who's version of truth do we go with Swinging is a lifestyle. A choice. Being LGBT isn't a choice." In my opinion it is a choice, you could choose to be single, you can choose to be in a normal m/f couple , as LGBT , you can choose not to indulge or you can choose to engage in the lifestyle . How many kids dabble in same sex touchy feely or whatever when experimenting in their schooling years, they managed to make their minds up how they wanted to proceed in life with any formal education on the subject and made their own choices in life . Someone mentioned earlier about predudice from parents about LGBT , maybe a minority of parents ,yes, but again the people FOR this type of education brand everyone judgemental and are technically forcing ALL kids to receive this type of education. All the education in the world wont help that child if he or she then goes home to a prejudiced parent. | |||
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" How could that shit even happen in China when they used to have one-child policy going on and female infants were often abandoned or outright "disappeared" in favour of male ones? " Exactly what I referred to. You admit they murder (it still happens) female children then try to claim that Chinese society is better than western? " Age of consent set at 13? Well given what was said about girls and boys in the West maturing and hitting sexual and physical maturity faster thanks to hormonal foods, give it a couple decades and you'll see that happening sooner or later too. " Because their bodies are maturing faster you think we should be reducing the age of consent? Starting to see why you're so fond of Asian cultures. Since the food contamination is world-wide asian children are not exempt from its effects. If you're going to use that as an excuse for Japan having an age of consent at 13 what age do you think they'll lower it to if their girls are maturing physically earlier? " Not even gonna bother about all your other points because i'm not about to be drawn into a big fight on the forum about unrelated topics. " Because you can't defend against the points so you're going to ignore them and try to pretend that they're off-topic. Big part of those 'superior' cultures that you're so fond of. " But hey, at least in Asia, we value education far more strongly in our culture than the West. Maybe that's why they say give it a hundred years and you'll see Asia and China rule the world when the West slides into decadent hedonistic moral decline. " No, certain asian cultures 'value' education. If by value you mean pressure children to succeed to the point of being suicidal, use corporal punishment as an 'incentive' and value test results above all else then, yeah. Not exactly allowing kids to be kids as you claim earlier, though, is it? But if you think that cultures that cull girls and use r*pe as a punishment are superior you just go back there, because sooner or later you'll espouse these ideals in the company of someone who will be quite abrupt in their methods of explaining why you're wrong. | |||
