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I am one of only 3 of us in my department who are not in the union and the director has advised us to turn up for work but if we feel threatened by the pickets then don't go in. But if we don't go in we don't get paid! I offered to work from home but was told this wouldn't count.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i have been on strike 3 time fighting for our rights iam behind yous 100 %
Totally behind the strike,time for us all to stand up to this goverment."
Wasn't this government that got us in the shit! |
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the CONDEMSmeed to be reminded that iy is se the people or heard mentality as they call us that vote them in.sadly our southern neighbours had no balls to keep them out
.so fuck them and enjoy the strike.oh i am atrain driver amd going throught shit at work to
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"If the unions told you to jump of a cliff would you ?"
If the government told you "were gonna take your hard earned savings, your house and your car", would you say "would you like to take my kids as well?"
No, you'd fight for what's yours.  |
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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago
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"If the unions told you to jump of a cliff would you ?
If the government told you "were gonna take your hard earned savings, your house and your car", would you say "would you like to take my kids as well?"
No, you'd fight for what's yours. "
I have done...
I find the cronies position to be hypocritical, during the last governments tenure, they did nothing but shout for total bank deregulation.
Imagine where we would be if that had come to pass.... |
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I work in private sector but have a lot of public sector clients so feel I should through in my penarth worth.
I respect the right of all to strike and make their voice heard but in the current economic climate, will it achive anything?
In the private sector, I know of 1000s (100s of which are friends) who have had salaries frozen or cut and pensions changed from final year schemes to money purchase schemes or non-contrib into contrib. My own pay has been frozen for the lazt 3 years cos their aint enough business around.
I note something of a red v blue politics in this debate and perhaps rightly so. But it seems to me that at citizens we have 2 options:
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Have a goverment that accepts that times are difficult, makes the most of what little we have and is trying to save for a rainy day?
OR
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Have a government that throws caution to the wind and spends like there is no tomorrow only to face higher taxes and austerity measures when the money runs out - or takes out mortgages it cannot afford to continue the lifestyle.
Wait a minute - UK plc has run out of money. Can't speak for anyone else but Option 1 seems the best option from my view.
NB This comment is intended to be politically neutral and the author has no political bias. However, this author does want what is best for our kids.
The children of today are the leaders of tomorrow and should not have to clear up the mess we left yesterday |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I work in private sector but have a lot of public sector clients so feel I should through in my penarth worth.
I respect the right of all to strike and make their voice heard but in the current economic climate, will it achive anything?
In the private sector, I know of 1000s (100s of which are friends) who have had salaries frozen or cut and pensions changed from final year schemes to money purchase schemes or non-contrib into contrib. My own pay has been frozen for the lazt 3 years cos their aint enough business around.
I note something of a red v blue politics in this debate and perhaps rightly so. But it seems to me that at citizens we have 2 options:
1/.
Have a goverment that accepts that times are difficult, makes the most of what little we have and is trying to save for a rainy day?
OR
2/.
Have a government that throws caution to the wind and spends like there is no tomorrow only to face higher taxes and austerity measures when the money runs out - or takes out mortgages it cannot afford to continue the lifestyle.
Wait a minute - UK plc has run out of money. Can't speak for anyone else but Option 1 seems the best option from my view.
NB This comment is intended to be politically neutral and the author has no political bias. However, this author does want what is best for our kids.
The children of today are the leaders of tomorrow and should not have to clear up the mess we left yesterday"
Totally agree, the country is bankrupt - a reality that we have to face for the next 10-15 years at least. |
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By *bzguyMan
over a year ago
Aberdeen and shire |
agree with silver fox and too also answer him , aye silver the strike will achieve something today...put us deeper into recession im afraid mate, something we could all do without  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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it seems to me that most views either blame this government or the last government and so on, the pension crisis is caused by people living longer and no government over the last 50 years, in any country, properly assessing the effect this would have on the economy, There are comments about what we can and cant spend which is the great economic debate so ill leave that to the clever ones to sort outx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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on the strile front i think you will find the councils in particular will be glad as it will allow them to make some savings, in days gone by they would have tried to keep you at work for the day and this time round not a squeak, |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Im all for the government trying to reduce the countries debt but i dont see them penalising the financial institutions that got us into debt by chasing bonuses. they still got there wage rises and bonuses regardless but obviously they do a more important job since this countries economy is reliant on banking these days! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We all know the state of the economy but we should not chastise those of us public sector workers who are choosing to stand up. The increased contributions is a stealth tax not benifiting my pension but paying of a defeict I'm not responsible for.
Is private sector been asked to stump extra? The reality of it is Tories hate public sector and want everything privatised. Watch your bills rise then when your paying more for bins getting emptied and education, may even start getting charged if your house goes up in smoke.
We had a deal and that should be honoured don't blain us for the banks mis-handling of the situation then cut our wages increase contributions and make us work longer.
They are hell bent on working us all from the cradle to the grave, pay your mention but die before you get it or not enjoy it as your too old to enjoy.
We all both public and private deserve and good deal in life you have only one |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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well here is my tupence worth as well.
i work in the public sector and have not had a pay increase for 3 years now because i have been there for 28 years and having worked my way up my pay banding puts me above the level of the people who qualify for the 1.5% increase that the government gave us.at the moment i pay 6% of my salery towards my pension this has went up from 5% without me being asked about it first i may add.they are now talking about raising this to 10% of my salery and making me work till im 68.thinking back to the people who have taken retirment who i used to work with most have NOT seen 65 never mind 68.so im totally behind the strike and say make it 60 for everyone and create jobs for the youger people coming through to follow.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We all know the state of the economy but we should not chastise those of us public sector workers who are choosing to stand up. The increased contributions is a stealth tax not benifiting my pension but paying of a defeict I'm not responsible for.
Is private sector been asked to stump extra? The reality of it is Tories hate public sector and want everything privatised. Watch your bills rise then when your paying more for bins getting emptied and education, may even start getting charged if your house goes up in smoke.
We had a deal and that should be honoured don't blain us for the banks mis-handling of the situation then cut our wages increase contributions and make us work longer.
They are hell bent on working us all from the cradle to the grave, pay your mention but die before you get it or not enjoy it as your too old to enjoy.
We all both public and private deserve and good deal in life you have only one"
Agree 100% |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was out raged to be honest when I looked out my window, onto George St, to see people holding banners up saying "TAX THE RICH", and moaning about their pensions. Why should it be based on final salary when you havent contributed that amount your whole career? it should be beased on average earnings and contributions. Your pensions are also secure, unlike private pensions which can go tits up at any point and leave you with nothing.
Its often over looked by the unions that the top 1% of earners pay a massive chunk of the tax used by the goverment.
Its a tough time for everyone, and it shouldnt be businesses and hard working people who are punished, to support those who want to keep there standard of life the same.
I also seen a lot of the protesters smoking, perhaps they should give that up, save the NHS and them selves money! Last time I checked fags were up at 7.50!! thats 52.50 a week you could be putting towards your pension and retirement fund |
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over a year ago
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" create jobs for the youger people coming through to follow.
Mr Me "
The problem is that there arent enough younger people to pay for your lifestyle when you retire, thats why you have to pay more towards it. 10% of your salary a year towards pensions is still favourable to what those in the private sector pay |
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By *nTCouple
over a year ago
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i have been a nurse for 28 years and a shop steward for 18 years. My first point is if the unions told you to jump of the cliff - well unlike the government our union is member led - we presented our members with the facts and gave them the right to decide at the ballot box whether or not to strike; the members (who are the union) voted in favour. the govt then said there was a poor turnout on the ballot - yet more of our members voted on this than voted in the last general election - double standards or what!!
I feel sorry for the person who had to fork out £90 in childcare but that is the exact amount my salary will reduce by every month for the rest of my working life when the tories increase my pension contributions. I am also sick of this government turning this into a public versus private sector pension debate - our pensions aint great and the private sector's is even worse. A speaker yesterday summed it up by saying if all private sector pensions were compared to the human body and they were minus a leg - is it the answer to cut the leg off the public sector so that we are all the same????
Finally for those still awake - the facts (not the propaganda)
i got no pay rise this year
i get no pay rise next year
i lose £90 a month in april from my wages
i will work till i am 68 and get less for paying more
my £90 is going towards reducing the top income tax level from 50% to 40% (not one member of my family or friends earn anywhere near enough to pay the top rate - funnily enough, the bankers do!!!)
the unions have put forward proposals for reducing the deficit such as the business tax but because that would impact on our high wage earners it has been rejected
the "gold plated" pensions we are told about are an average of £4800 per year (must be fools gold)
i was at the march and rally in edinburgh and proudly walked with 15000 public sector workers (official police figures as opposed to the govt's shoddy counting of 7000) who are sick and tired of having to pay for the mess the government has got us into - i dont care whether it was this one or the last government, they bailed out the bankers who got a 49% pay rise this year and the low paid worker - yet again is expected to bail out the government
enough is enough. mr cameron you aint maggie thatcher and you aint going to do to us what she did to the miners!!!
up the workers i say!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"my £90 is going towards reducing the top income tax level from 50% to 40% "
this was only ever a temporary measure.
"the unions have put forward proposals for reducing the deficit such as the business tax but because that would impact on our high wage earners it has been rejected"
business tax would ruin small enterprises, owners of which mainly dont make anywhere near the 150k mark to qualify for 50% tax and most would be on the verge of 37k (40% tax) this would be your builders, joiners, etc as well as your enterprises
"sick and tired of having to pay for the mess the government has got us into - i dont care whether it was this one or the last government"
you are backing a labour government, despite wreckless spending which has thrown us into the level of debt, saying that this doesnt matter, if we had continued spending that much we would be like greece, and would face higher income tax and you would be forced to accept lower pensions...
"they bailed out the bankers who got a 49% pay rise this year and the low paid worker"
the bankers have also been made to pay a much higher tax on these bonuses, hence the increase of the bonus its self... so this actually benefits the goverment. |
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By *nTCouple
over a year ago
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"I also seen a lot of the protesters smoking, perhaps they should give that up, save the NHS and them selves money! Last time I checked fags were up at 7.50!! thats 52.50 a week you could be putting towards your pension and retirement fund"
that is barrel scraping - i am a smoking protestor, i work bloody hard and if i want to spend that on fags i can (fags that i pay huge amount of tax on), where do we draw the line then - people who can afford a holiday abroad? people who like a few beers? people who like a wee bet? people who can afford to buy a house or a car?
as for wanting to keep my standard of living the same - what my 2 bedroomed ex council house, worrying when i hear about the increase in fuel bills. am hardly living the life of one of the 17 millionaire tories on our front benches. i work to live - not live to work. i think no pay rise at all for 2 years and then 1% for another 2 years is me doing my bit for the economy |
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By *nTCouple
over a year ago
funland |
"my £90 is going towards reducing the top income tax level from 50% to 40%
this was only ever a temporary measure.
the unions have put forward proposals for reducing the deficit such as the business tax but because that would impact on our high wage earners it has been rejected
business tax would ruin small enterprises, owners of which mainly dont make anywhere near the 150k mark to qualify for 50% tax and most would be on the verge of 37k (40% tax) this would be your builders, joiners, etc as well as your enterprises
sick and tired of having to pay for the mess the government has got us into - i dont care whether it was this one or the last government
you are backing a labour government, despite wreckless spending which has thrown us into the level of debt, saying that this doesnt matter, if we had continued spending that much we would be like greece, and would face higher income tax and you would be forced to accept lower pensions...
they bailed out the bankers who got a 49% pay rise this year and the low paid worker
the bankers have also been made to pay a much higher tax on these bonuses, hence the increase of the bonus its self... so this actually benefits the goverment."
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By *nTCouple
over a year ago
funland |
"my £90 is going towards reducing the top income tax level from 50% to 40%
this was only ever a temporary measure.
the unions have put forward proposals for reducing the deficit such as the business tax but because that would impact on our high wage earners it has been rejected
business tax would ruin small enterprises, owners of which mainly dont make anywhere near the 150k mark to qualify for 50% tax and most would be on the verge of 37k (40% tax) this would be your builders, joiners, etc as well as your enterprises
sick and tired of having to pay for the mess the government has got us into - i dont care whether it was this one or the last government
you are backing a labour government, despite wreckless spending which has thrown us into the level of debt, saying that this doesnt matter, if we had continued spending that much we would be like greece, and would face higher income tax and you would be forced to accept lower pensions...
they bailed out the bankers who got a 49% pay rise this year and the low paid worker
the bankers have also been made to pay a much higher tax on these bonuses, hence the increase of the bonus its self... so this actually benefits the goverment."
my last word on this as am not here to defend my rights
firstly the business tax was proposed for big business so your statement is factually incorrect. secondly am a card carrying member of the snp and have never voted labour in my life and never will. being a trade unionist does not mean you are a labourite - not nearly the same thing in the 21st centuary
and finally the poor old bankers having to pay higher tax on their bonuses - wont amount to the 2.8 billion they are stealing from the public sectors pensions. given the amount of taxpayers money that went into bailing them out it is just as well their bonus's aint performance related - they would be owe us a bloody fortune!!!!!!!! |
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" 10% of your salary a year towards pensions is still favourable to what those in the private sector pay "
hahahahahahaha, there's always one.
Which village is missing you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" create jobs for the youger people coming through to follow.
Mr Me
The problem is that there arent enough younger people to pay for your lifestyle when you retire, thats why you have to pay more towards it. 10% of your salary a year towards pensions is still favourable to what those in the private sector pay "
so thats why some one from the private sector was on the news the other night kicking up a stink about having to pay 5%.if the country stopped sending all our money abroad to bail out the euro then we would not have pensioners ding from the cold here every year. and i think paying over 100 Quid every month from my pay is putting my share past for me when i do get to finish up.after all i have never recieved a penny of dole money all my working life.
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Well done David Cameron and George Osborne, as you can see divide and rule works as well now as it did in Maggie Thatcher’s era.
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WHY all the vilification between the private and public sectors?
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The bottom line is that whichever sector you go into, you accept the terms and conditions that are on offer when you join, or you don’t it is your choice. Pensions are an integral part of those terms and conditions.
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For the majority: the public sector usually provides a lower salary with a reasonable pension provision whereas; the private sector usually provides a higher salary with bonuses that the public sector do not enjoy and a less robust pension provision.
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You Decide when you join which arena you enter.
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Currently I am not affected by the proposed changes but I know my turn is coming! And the private sector will get their turn too;
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So I fully support the strikers.
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Pensions are part of your wage settlement. Funds are deducted from your salary and held in TRUST by the government or your pension provider. It is your money but you can’t get your hands on it until you retire. At the time that you have paid this money from your salary you had agreed terms and conditions. What gives these BAS***Ds the right to change these terms and conditions retrospectively or to raid these funds that you have laid aside for your future provision to pay for their collective mis-management of the economy and pensions provision. Such retrospective changes to any other form of contract would be laughed out of court!
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You should also note that the bankers bonuses HAD to be paid at the time of the bail-out because they had UNBREAKABLE contracts! I bet their pensions are safe too - - - - L O L - - - (actually crying) - It would appear we don’t!
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U N I O N S - Get your act in gear.
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STOP the divide and rule. We are ALL in it together.
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As a final note regarding “Gold plated Pensions” can anyone shed any light on what the average Gold plated Pensions is in the public sector as compared with the average paltry pension in the private sector. With lower average wages in the public section I would not be surprised if the “Gold Plate” is a little tarnished.
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– I’ve just fallen off my high horse !
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– WELL you started it.
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I'm on here to get some F*****g Fun! -
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Being Fu***d by the government doesn't float my boat :
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"Well done David Cameron and George Osborne, as you can see divide and rule works as well now as it did in Maggie Thatcher’s era.
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WHY all the vilification between the private and public sectors?
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The bottom line is that whichever sector you go into, you accept the terms and conditions that are on offer when you join, or you don’t it is your choice. Pensions are an integral part of those terms and conditions.
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For the majority: the public sector usually provides a lower salary with a reasonable pension provision whereas; the private sector usually provides a higher salary with bonuses that the public sector do not enjoy and a less robust pension provision.
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You Decide when you join which arena you enter.
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Currently I am not affected by the proposed changes but I know my turn is coming! And the private sector will get their turn too;
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So I fully support the strikers.
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Pensions are part of your wage settlement. Funds are deducted from your salary and held in TRUST by the government or your pension provider. It is your money but you can’t get your hands on it until you retire. At the time that you have paid this money from your salary you had agreed terms and conditions. What gives these BAS***Ds the right to change these terms and conditions retrospectively or to raid these funds that you have laid aside for your future provision to pay for their collective mis-management of the economy and pensions provision. Such retrospective changes to any other form of contract would be laughed out of court!
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You should also note that the bankers bonuses HAD to be paid at the time of the bail-out because they had UNBREAKABLE contracts! I bet their pensions are safe too - - - - L O L - - - (actually crying) - It would appear we don’t!
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U N I O N S - Get your act in gear.
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STOP the divide and rule. We are ALL in it together.
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As a final note regarding “Gold plated Pensions” can anyone shed any light on what the average Gold plated Pensions is in the public sector as compared with the average paltry pension in the private sector. With lower average wages in the public section I would not be surprised if the “Gold Plate” is a little tarnished.
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! * * B U M P * * !
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– I’ve just fallen off my high horse !
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Being Fu***d by the government doesn't float my boat :
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Well said you. As a activist I am sick and tired of all the media hype about Gold Plated Pensions. The average pension in the public sector is £3,800 at the moment. Hardly gold plated.
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