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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2 operated by Iran Air as IR655, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, UAE, when it was destroyed by the U.S. Navy's guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children,[1] ranking it the seventh among the deadliest airliner fatalities.[2] It was the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world. The Vincennes was traversing the Straits of Hormuz inside Iranian territorial waters and at the time of the attack, IR655 was within Iranian airspace.

This occured a few months before Lockerbie happened,might this of been the very thing that brought about the attack on the Pan Am flight?

A revenge type act?

All carried out by one man, one Mr Megrahi?

More people must of been involved surely?

Yet we want him dead, in agony, rotting in jail,in history we have often gone through the evidence and found ourselves saying, "ohh maybe was'nt them".

The 290 killed on the Iran flight, think that got 2 days coverage on news, as bad as terrible, did we care as much?

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By *eatherWoman  over a year ago

glasgow

well like see who did it then is it a cover up once again

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Im no sure of the terminology, but is it "counter terrorism", you killed lots of our innocent people so give it time we will return the gesture, somewhere,sometime?

T

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

ofcourse it was revenge, but the main question is was it the guy who was stuck in jail all those years?

every act of terroism is basically down to revenge (or thats what they say). personally i do not see how a suicide bomber walking into a civvy cafe and blowing it up is an act of revenge to the USA for nicking the Saudis oil but thats the way the fanaticals see it.

wars, killing and murder is something we will never understand. it has been around long before we were here and itl be here long after we are gone

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Yip, main reason i re-posted this thread was a continuation from the "Freeedom" post earlier that technically stuck.

Many were saying, "no,no, lets see him suffer more,Megrahi" and if we were absolutely 100% it was him, i'd be first to agree n say yup, thats total justice, but with all these doubts and uncertainties,folks were still of that opinion.

And the Iran flight,that was an easy one to solve, guy that ok'd firing the missile, do we know what happened to him?

Prison and a nation wanting him rotting there for rest of his life?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

didn`t matter what the msp did, it was going to be wrong no matter what, he did the right thing and let him free saves scotland a load of money in long run for the sake of a cpl of months,and as for the american tourists on the news last night saying we should boycot scotland, they all claim to be part scottish anyway, so i think adam and eve must have been scottish and the planet started in scotland.

But we aint run by the americans although they like to think they do,but what it all comes down to is control of oil,

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By *oonboyMan  over a year ago

livingston

whilst i sympathise with all those tragic souls that lost thier lives on both of the aforementioned flights...can we just stop giving this man air time?....innocent or not, right or wrong all this serves to do is to make this man and his regime stronger.

Terrorism is never right in any shape or form...may they all rot in hell and Allah disown them.....

rant over

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"whilst i sympathise with all those tragic souls that lost thier lives on both of the aforementioned flights...can we just stop giving this man air time?....innocent or not, right or wrong all this serves to do is to make this man and his regime stronger.

Terrorism is never right in any shape or form...may they all rot in hell and Allah disown them.....

rant over "

I agree toon, terrorism is fed by media coverage, take away the media coverage worldwide then the terrorism has no outlet to show its attrocities.

People talking about it just brings it to the fore all the time. Im sure we all feel for those soldiers and innocent (whatever nationality) people that are killed through terrorism but by the media revveling in the latest attack just helps to promote their cause.

Steve

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By *imfromGlasgowMan  over a year ago

er...guess


"

I agree toon, terrorism is fed by media coverage, take away the media coverage worldwide then the terrorism has no outlet to show its attrocities.

People talking about it just brings it to the fore all the time. Im sure we all feel for those soldiers and innocent (whatever nationality) people that are killed through terrorism but by the media revveling in the latest attack just helps to promote their cause.

Steve"

Isn't there the risk that if we don't bring terrorism to our television screens the terrorists will bring it to our doorsteps

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By *oonboyMan  over a year ago

livingston


"

Isn't there the risk that if we don't bring terrorism to our television screens the terrorists will bring it to our doorsteps"

unlikely, as terrorism is for those that cannot (or will not) negotiate, those who seek to bring terror do so as a matter of force, im all for freedom of information, however 'glamourising' terror as we see in the media just adds fuel to the fire.....

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By *imfromGlasgowMan  over a year ago

er...guess


"

Isn't there the risk that if we don't bring terrorism to our television screens the terrorists will bring it to our doorsteps

unlikely, as terrorism is for those that cannot (or will not) negotiate, those who seek to bring terror do so as a matter of force, im all for freedom of information, however 'glamourising' terror as we see in the media just adds fuel to the fire....."

I understood it was the IRA's reaction to the lack of UK media coverage and in particular the ban on the use of their leadership's actual voices (remember the 'words spoken by an actor' think) that brought about the mainland bombing campaign.

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By *eatherWoman  over a year ago

glasgow

go up to lockerbie cemetry.See the memorial to all those who died read the names think of the ages. And see what u think then.Go into the lodge at the gates talk to the local person who is there and see what u think then

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By *imfromGlasgowMan  over a year ago

er...guess

This shows the difference in opinion between the (wo)man in the street and those who have direct access to the media either because they are politicians, journalists or other commentators. Ordinary folks do have access to stuff like radio phone ins and the comments pages on newspapers but mostly can't be bothered.

They will, however, remember this sorry episode when it comes to the next Holyrood election.

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By *eatherWoman  over a year ago

glasgow

jim i can be bothered and i realise theres a lot more to this than will EVER be told or people will know.as ive said before who did this and yes jim i dont think we will ever know.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2 operated by Iran Air as IR655, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, UAE, when it was destroyed by the U.S. Navy's guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children,[1] ranking it the seventh among the deadliest airliner fatalities.[2] It was the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world. The Vincennes was traversing the Straits of Hormuz inside Iranian territorial waters and at the time of the attack, IR655 was within Iranian airspace.

If the above read, "An Iranian Navy ship in American waters fired on an American airlines flight", we'd have The Iraq War, Afgahnistan War and of course Iran War.

Yet we feel, "problem solved" when we stuck one wee daft man in prison?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Gordie has strong views on terrorism and the media coverage it gets,

for him, he belivies media coverage to be a fantastic tool, and a weapon in a way if it is channeled in the right way. Stop giving terrorists the air time, about thier bombings, plots and past crimes and focus more on what the NATO forces are doing to fight against the terror.

Shows like Ross Kemp in Afghan, Air Force Afghan etc should be more in the limelight as should constant updates on what the forces are doing. The only time Operation Herrick is in the news is when someone has died, and hardly ever about medals won by the sheer bravery, dedication and belief of our troops..

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Here's a whole other thread, is Bin Ladden dead?

Not heard from that son of a b,,,, in ages hu

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

released a video only a month or two ago.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"released a video only a month or two ago."

So did Kylie Minougue ...

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"released a video only a month or two ago."

Really? whats he saying to it, old Ladden

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

was in response to the military operation panthers claw

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We could debate "terrorism" and the causes and casualities of it forever. However, I'm proud to be part of a Nation that's legal system DOES allow for early release for prisoners with terminal illnesses on compassionate grounds. It shows us to be a fair and progressive Nation and if the USA doesn't like that fact then perhaps they should take a good look at their middle eastern policy over the years.They should then ask themselves, if they had been a fair and progressive Nation,perhaps all of these casualities need never had happened !

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We could debate "terrorism" and the causes and casualities of it forever. However, I'm proud to be part of a Nation that's legal system DOES allow for early release for prisoners with terminal illnesses on compassionate grounds. It shows us to be a fair and progressive Nation and if the USA doesn't like that fact then perhaps they should take a good look at their middle eastern policy over the years.They should then ask themselves, if they had been a fair and progressive Nation,perhaps all of these casualities need never had happened !

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could not agree more x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2 operated by Iran Air as IR655, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, UAE, when it was destroyed by the U.S. Navy's guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children,[1] ranking it the seventh among the deadliest airliner fatalities.[2] It was the highest death toll of

any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world. The Vincennes was traversing the Straits of Hormuz inside Iranian territorial waters and at the time of the attack, IR655 was within Iranian airspace.

If the above read, "An Iranian Navy ship in American waters fired on an American airlines flight", we'd have The Iraq War, Afgahnistan War and of course Iran War.

Yet we feel, "problem solved" when we stuck one wee daft man in prison?

"

media only shows the bad side of what is happening out there when the boys are shot or killed by land mines you dont hear so much of the whole reason they are out there and that is mainly getting rid of the poppy fields and helping get the people back on their feet so to speak. i sat for nearly 8 months waiting on my hubby coming home safe and sound from out there not nice when the door bell goes he lost a good friend out there

i think its a case of damned if you do and damned if you dont in the case of releasing this guy

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"We could debate "terrorism" and the causes and casualities of it forever. However, I'm proud to be part of a Nation that's legal system DOES allow for early release for prisoners with terminal illnesses on compassionate grounds. It shows us to be a fair and progressive Nation and if the USA doesn't like that fact then perhaps they should take a good look at their middle eastern policy over the years.They should then ask themselves, if they had been a fair and progressive Nation,perhaps all of these casualities need never had happened !

"

Bang on Roxie, i deal with us imports exports daily and other countrys, other countrys are fine, but america and their frikkin self imposed paranoia about security do my head in, the land of the free???? oh really?

T

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2 operated by Iran Air as IR655, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, UAE, when it was destroyed by the U.S. Navy's guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children,[1] ranking it the seventh among the deadliest airliner fatalities.[2] It was the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world. The Vincennes was traversing the Straits of Hormuz inside Iranian territorial waters and at the time of the attack, IR655 was within Iranian airspace.

This occured a few months before Lockerbie happened,might this of been the very thing that brought about the attack on the Pan Am flight?

A revenge type act?

All carried out by one man, one Mr Megrahi?

More people must of been involved surely?

Yet we want him dead, in agony, rotting in jail,in history we have often gone through the evidence and found ourselves saying, "ohh maybe was'nt them".

The 290 killed on the Iran flight, think that got 2 days coverage on news, as bad as terrible, did we care as much?"

Kinda missing the point, sentiment in this post people, im saying we are so wrapped up in all things british, 290 killed months apart from Lockerbie, because it was Iran and miles away, guess what, im guessing the majority here did'nt care too much, it happened to us, it was called Lockerbie and suddenly we felt the pain.

There is a lesson to be gleaned from it, the worlds a bloody small place, yet still we dunno how to share it peacefully, because we have that, "ohh i dont know you fuck you" attitude going, with other countrys, with other countys, with other streets, with other people and untill it stops, me personally i dont think we deserve this beautifull world, if we all pissed off and there was nothing but animals freely roaming around, the world could last for ever, but us with our poluting, warring, self destructing ways are currently making an arse of it.

T

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