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"I don't think they should have to do without sex. Ideally they could discuss options but then marriage/love/fear of losing someone, fear of losing intimacy (especially to someone else) and so many other factors come into the equation. Be interesting to see what others think - big question miss bell "yeah doing it behind their partners back I don't think, is any good. An honest open discussion with each other about their views and feelings for each other and see what they come up to help both with in view of the partners loss of interest in sex | |||
"If someones wife, husband or partner goes off sex forever is it so wrong that the person should stray?. Or do you think they should go through life without sex too?" It's not wrong, IF the other person is in agreement. | |||
"I'm with Velouria on this. I went off sex with my boyfriend after 10 years together and after we joined Fab, we got a bit closer but the intimacy wasn't there anymore. I ended up leaving him, not for Fab but as it wasn't fair on him to put him through that x"But is that because you no longer loved him Cate?. I have spoke to many men on here who love their wives, families and life but are so unhappy due to no sex and it is not up for discussion. | |||
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"I think it would require some serious discussions. I don't think the partner should cheat, but I think it is unfair to expect that someone would become essentially celibate just because one partner decided s/he was no longer interested in sex. Particularly if the relationship started with sex. It really depends on how important sex is for the couple involved. If it's not important then it's a non-issue. If it's important to the non-abstinent half then the abstinent half should at least consider the option of allowing extra-marital sex. Assuming that it's a definite lack of interest in sex, and not just something temporary e.g because of pregnancy, stress, lots of other things going on. If there was no option of agreed extramarital sex, and no compromise on complete absitenence, then separating would be better than cheating in my opinion. TL;DR - it depends. Communication is most important and don't cheat. "Summed up perfectly communication is a must for both partners there has to be a mutual compromise or part ways  | |||
"I'm with Velouria on this. I went off sex with my boyfriend after 10 years together and after we joined Fab, we got a bit closer but the intimacy wasn't there anymore. I ended up leaving him, not for Fab but as it wasn't fair on him to put him through that x
But is that because you no longer loved him Cate?. I have spoke to many men on here who love their wives, families and life but are so unhappy due to no sex and it is not up for discussion."How many say they are only cheating because they aren't getting any at home and how many are actually not getting any at home though | |||
"I'm with Velouria on this. I went off sex with my boyfriend after 10 years together and after we joined Fab, we got a bit closer but the intimacy wasn't there anymore. I ended up leaving him, not for Fab but as it wasn't fair on him to put him through that x
But is that because you no longer loved him Cate?. I have spoke to many men on here who love their wives, families and life but are so unhappy due to no sex and it is not up for discussion.
How many say they are only cheating because they aren't getting any at home and how many are actually not getting any at home though "Yes thats a very good point | |||
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"I'm with Velouria on this. I went off sex with my boyfriend after 10 years together and after we joined Fab, we got a bit closer but the intimacy wasn't there anymore. I ended up leaving him, not for Fab but as it wasn't fair on him to put him through that x
But is that because you no longer loved him Cate?. I have spoke to many men on here who love their wives, families and life but are so unhappy due to no sex and it is not up for discussion.
How many say they are only cheating because they aren't getting any at home and how many are actually not getting any at home though "Shit loads lie. | |||
"I'm with Velouria on this. I went off sex with my boyfriend after 10 years together and after we joined Fab, we got a bit closer but the intimacy wasn't there anymore. I ended up leaving him, not for Fab but as it wasn't fair on him to put him through that x
But is that because you no longer loved him Cate?. I have spoke to many men on here who love their wives, families and life but are so unhappy due to no sex and it is not up for discussion.
How many say they are only cheating because they aren't getting any at home and how many are actually not getting any at home though
Shit loads lie." 1 outta 100 maybe telling truth ...on a good day | |||
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"I'm with Velouria on this. I went off sex with my boyfriend after 10 years together and after we joined Fab, we got a bit closer but the intimacy wasn't there anymore. I ended up leaving him, not for Fab but as it wasn't fair on him to put him through that x
But is that because you no longer loved him Cate?. I have spoke to many men on here who love their wives, families and life but are so unhappy due to no sex and it is not up for discussion.
How many say they are only cheating because they aren't getting any at home and how many are actually not getting any at home though
Shit loads lie."Which poses the question is anyone ever happy with just one sexual partner? | |||
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"I'm with Velouria on this. I went off sex with my boyfriend after 10 years together and after we joined Fab, we got a bit closer but the intimacy wasn't there anymore. I ended up leaving him, not for Fab but as it wasn't fair on him to put him through that x
But is that because you no longer loved him Cate?. I have spoke to many men on here who love their wives, families and life but are so unhappy due to no sex and it is not up for discussion.
How many say they are only cheating because they aren't getting any at home and how many are actually not getting any at home though
Shit loads lie.
Which poses the question is anyone ever happy with just one sexual partner?"Christ woman...you should be doing Question Time! I think you can be. But you both need to work at it. | |||
"What about if the partner is seriously ill and therefore sex is the last thing on their mind. Does that make it more acceptable? " Acceptable not to want sex or for the other to cheat? | |||
"What about if the partner is seriously ill and therefore sex is the last thing on their mind. Does that make it more acceptable? Acceptable not to want sex or for the other to cheat?" For the partner to cheat. | |||
"What about if the partner is seriously ill and therefore sex is the last thing on their mind. Does that make it more acceptable? Acceptable not to want sex or for the other to cheat? For the partner to cheat." I think that would be the lowest of the low. | |||
"What about if the partner is seriously ill and therefore sex is the last thing on their mind. Does that make it more acceptable? Acceptable not to want sex or for the other to cheat? For the partner to cheat. I think that would be the lowest of the low." I don’t. If a partner was long term seriously ill and had no desire to have sex I wouldn't judge the husband/wife for looking elsewhere. Don't think I could do it myself though. The guilt would kill me. | |||
"What about if the partner is seriously ill and therefore sex is the last thing on their mind. Does that make it more acceptable? Acceptable not to want sex or for the other to cheat? For the partner to cheat. I think that would be the lowest of the low. I don’t. If a partner was long term seriously ill and had no desire to have sex I wouldn't judge the husband/wife for looking elsewhere. Don't think I could do it myself though. The guilt would kill me. " I have never been in that situation but if someone i loved was seriously ill sex would be the last thing on my mind | |||
"What about if the partner is seriously ill and therefore sex is the last thing on their mind. Does that make it more acceptable? " I think if your partner, the person you claim to love, is seriously ill, finding someone else to have sex with should be the last thing on your mind. | |||
"What about if the partner is seriously ill and therefore sex is the last thing on their mind. Does that make it more acceptable? I think if your partner, the person you claim to love, is seriously ill, finding someone else to have sex with should be the last thing on your mind. " gotta agree | |||
"If I was in a relationship and my partner went of sex I would be really concerned why. People seriously can't just go off sex. If it was me I'd try to get to the bottom of it sort it out of that didn't work then I genuinely don't know what I'd do. " Of course people can go off sex. Just like they can go off anything. People are together for far more than just sex, and people go off each other all the time. If you can "go off" someone you love, then you can go off sex. | |||
"What about if the partner is seriously ill and therefore sex is the last thing on their mind. Does that make it more acceptable? I think if your partner, the person you claim to love, is seriously ill, finding someone else to have sex with should be the last thing on your mind. " I think I'd be the same. But if it was long term then I can understand why someone could/would look elsewhere for that affection and human contact. Possibly for very selfish reasons but I can understand it. | |||
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"If i were the one who were ill i would probably give my partner permission." me too | |||
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"If someones wife, husband or partner goes off sex forever is it so wrong that the person should stray?. Or do you think they should go through life without sex too?" yes its wrong no they dont have to do without but they should be honest with their partner that they made a commitment too | |||
"If someones wife, husband or partner goes off sex forever is it so wrong that the person should stray?. Or do you think they should go through life without sex too?" I think it is wrong as they have made a commitment to that person. Out of respect for them and what they are going through they should at least have a dialogue and look at options to suit the situation together, as a couple. Sex and giving sexual pleasure does not always entail penetration, lots of other ways. A couple can adapt if they both want to. I was recently reading that a lady semi-paralysed from the waist down was still having sex with her husband even though she can't feel a thing. They have learnt to adapt, he has discovered new areas to touch, that have in turned become more sensitive. They adapted, they both wanted it. All situations, desires, determinations are different though. | |||
"What about if the partner is seriously ill and therefore sex is the last thing on their mind. Does that make it more acceptable? I think if your partner, the person you claim to love, is seriously ill, finding someone else to have sex with should be the last thing on your mind. " Depends on the situation I think. If your partner suffered a severe brain injury and was minimally conscious but being cared for at home, potentially for many years, should you have to go without love, affection, intimacy and sex? | |||
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"I think everyone's life is their own and they should live it accordingly. After all, we don't judge here. Do we?... " | |||
"Nothing to do with any situation im in. I just love a good topic to discuss and hear other peoples opinions." I do like a good discussion | |||
"I'm with Velouria on this. I went off sex with my boyfriend after 10 years together and after we joined Fab, we got a bit closer but the intimacy wasn't there anymore. I ended up leaving him, not for Fab but as it wasn't fair on him to put him through that x
But is that because you no longer loved him Cate?. I have spoke to many men on here who love their wives, families and life but are so unhappy due to no sex and it is not up for discussion."Sorry for the wait to replying. Yes I fell out of love with him, very sad and we tried to make it work. I tried but nothing worked and I have to say hand on heart, I never, ever cheated on him as I would not have done that to him x | |||
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"As others have said communication is key but ultimately every situation will be different. What if you try to communicate with your partner but they don’t want to discuss it? Is it then inevitable that you look for fulfilment elsewhere? A difficult one to judge." Someone's heart or both is going to be broken too x | |||
"If someones wife, husband or partner goes off sex forever is it so wrong that the person should stray?. Or do you think they should go through life without sex too?" Sound like u are trying to justify something? | |||
"If someones wife, husband or partner goes off sex forever is it so wrong that the person should stray?. Or do you think they should go through life without sex too? Sound like u are trying to justify something?" Not at all. I went without sex for 5 years as my partner went off sex. I left but that was because there were other issues too. I did however find it very soul destroying but would never have cheated. But in those days i was not aware of Fab. If i had of been then things may have been different. Who knows? | |||
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"What about if the partner is seriously ill and therefore sex is the last thing on their mind. Does that make it more acceptable? " If the ill person is happy for their partner to fulfill their needs, it is done with their full knowledge, and within agreed boundaries, I wouldn't call it cheating. I am sure some here would, but they are outside the relationship that matters under these circumstances, so their viewpoint would be irrelevant. As long as the couple, and the person(s) the sexually active partner is sleeping with, are all aware, and "comfortable", it is nobody else's business. | |||
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"If someones wife, husband or partner goes off sex forever is it so wrong that the person should stray?. Or do you think they should go through life without sex too?" I don’t think anyone should have to go without intimacy or sex, it’s a basic human requirement for most, should they stay or go??? Different situations will have different outcomes, there are often more involved than just the man and woman which can complicate the decision, if it can’t be resolved then I wouldn’t argue against going elsewhere. | |||
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"I think everyone's life is their own and they should live it accordingly. After all, we don't judge here. Do we?... "This! That said I do believe in some cases that if things aren't right in the bedroom, they likely aren't right in the livingrooom either. | |||
"I think everyone's life is their own and they should live it accordingly. After all, we don't judge here. Do we?...
This!
That said I do believe in some cases that if things aren't right in the bedroom, they likely aren't right in the livingrooom either."I'd say it's the opposite way | |||
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"If I was in a relationship and my partner went of sex I would be really concerned why. People seriously can't just go off sex. If it was me I'd try to get to the bottom of it sort it out of that didn't work then I genuinely don't know what I'd do. " people can't go off sex? jeez you read some shite on here! | |||
"all we are is a brilliant ape after all!! Lol x" There are a lot of Bonobos here! | |||
"all we are is a brilliant ape after all!! Lol x There are a lot of Bonobos here!" Are those the species that are basically just mad shaggers? | |||
"all we are is a brilliant ape after all!! Lol x There are a lot of Bonobos here! Are those the species that are basically just mad shaggers?" Yup. | |||
"all we are is a brilliant ape after all!! Lol x There are a lot of Bonobos here! Are those the species that are basically just mad shaggers? Yup." Oh hello...you're new I like me a cheeky monkey | |||
"all we are is a brilliant ape after all!! Lol x There are a lot of Bonobos here! Are those the species that are basically just mad shaggers? Yup. Oh hello...you're new I like me a cheeky monkey "Run Grumio! Run while you still can...she'll have ye for breakfast! | |||
"all we are is a brilliant ape after all!! Lol x There are a lot of Bonobos here! Are those the species that are basically just mad shaggers? Yup. Oh hello...you're new I like me a cheeky monkey
Run Grumio! Run while you still can...she'll have ye for breakfast!
"He'll be safe enough...im munching toast | |||
"all we are is a brilliant ape after all!! Lol x There are a lot of Bonobos here! Are those the species that are basically just mad shaggers? Yup. Oh hello...you're new I like me a cheeky monkey
Run Grumio! Run while you still can...she'll have ye for breakfast!
"I think I'll cope. This isn't my first rodeo, as they say. | |||
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"I went off sex when I was still married. Had three young children, signed off with depression and stress and had gynae issues which required an operation. End result my husband left me for a woman 10 years younger and no kids. If the passion is gone it’s difficult to rekindle. No regrets though. I have a much better sex life than if I’d stayed with him and I have lovely Fab friends that I play with. While I never cheated I don’t know if he did. There’s two sides to every story and I do have married Fab friends. " | |||
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"I went off sex when I was still married. Had three young children, signed off with depression and stress and had gynae issues which required an operation. End result my husband left me for a woman 10 years younger and no kids. If the passion is gone it’s difficult to rekindle. No regrets though. I have a much better sex life than if I’d stayed with him and I have lovely Fab friends that I play with. While I never cheated I don’t know if he did. There’s two sides to every story and I do have married Fab friends. " | |||
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"Been with my wife now for 10 years. She had a high sex drive which was important to me as I also have a ridiculously high sexual need. About 5 years ago she went on certain medication which has totally eroded her sex drive and she doesn’t even want any body contact. We are both 99% happy with our lives and our relationship, the only thing missing for us is intimacy. We have seen a couple of different sex specialists to try and get her interested again but to no avail. 3 years ago we agreed that as long as I never left her( and I know I never would as I adore her) for someone else who could give me what I wanted she was happy for me to meet others. I have agreed to meet females, guys, TVs while I’m in chastity. I don’t need to cum but I am a pleaser and enjoy turning on others. I also learnt massage as sometimes just touching or being touched makes me feel happier. We are both happy with the situation. She doesn’t see me as cheating, and finally I don’t feel like I am although I did at first. Ultimately neither of us really cares what others think about our arrangement. " That was lovely to read. You are a very fortunate man and your wife sounds like a star. | |||
"Been with my wife now for 10 years. She had a high sex drive which was important to me as I also have a ridiculously high sexual need. About 5 years ago she went on certain medication which has totally eroded her sex drive and she doesn’t even want any body contact. We are both 99% happy with our lives and our relationship, the only thing missing for us is intimacy. We have seen a couple of different sex specialists to try and get her interested again but to no avail. 3 years ago we agreed that as long as I never left her( and I know I never would as I adore her) for someone else who could give me what I wanted she was happy for me to meet others. I have agreed to meet females, guys, TVs while I’m in chastity. I don’t need to cum but I am a pleaser and enjoy turning on others. I also learnt massage as sometimes just touching or being touched makes me feel happier. We are both happy with the situation. She doesn’t see me as cheating, and finally I don’t feel like I am although I did at first. Ultimately neither of us really cares what others think about our arrangement. That was lovely to read. You are a very fortunate man and your wife sounds like a star." She is perfect, I love everything about her and I know she’s also my best pal. When we met I was a bit wild. She’s saved me, and for that I will always be grateful. I would be stupid to ever leave her. | |||
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"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. " That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. " Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt? | |||
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"Been with my wife now for 10 years. She had a high sex drive which was important to me as I also have a ridiculously high sexual need. About 5 years ago she went on certain medication which has totally eroded her sex drive and she doesn’t even want any body contact. We are both 99% happy with our lives and our relationship, the only thing missing for us is intimacy. We have seen a couple of different sex specialists to try and get her interested again but to no avail. 3 years ago we agreed that as long as I never left her( and I know I never would as I adore her) for someone else who could give me what I wanted she was happy for me to meet others. I have agreed to meet females, guys, TVs while I’m in chastity. I don’t need to cum but I am a pleaser and enjoy turning on others. I also learnt massage as sometimes just touching or being touched makes me feel happier. We are both happy with the situation. She doesn’t see me as cheating, and finally I don’t feel like I am although I did at first. Ultimately neither of us really cares what others think about our arrangement. " | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?" no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?" "Is it really so bad?" What a ridiculous opinion on the subject. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt? "Is it really so bad?" What a ridiculous opinion on the subject. "
In your opinion. Everybody has a right to their own opinion. Not everyone agrees with you and not will agree with me. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?" if you were the one cheated on do you think it wouldnt be so bad? Think you need to look at both sides of that situation to be able to say it wouldnt be so bad . | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?if you were the one cheated on do you think it wouldnt be so bad? Think you need to look at both sides of that situation to be able to say it wouldnt be so bad ." For all my objectivity up thread, if I was the party being cheated on I think I would go fucking crazy. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?if you were the one cheated on do you think it wouldnt be so bad? Think you need to look at both sides of that situation to be able to say it wouldnt be so bad . For all my objectivity up thread, if I was the party being cheated on I think I would go fucking crazy." | |||
"If someones wife, husband or partner goes off sex forever is it so wrong that the person should stray?. Or do you think they should go through life without sex too? Sound like u are trying to justify something? Not at all. I went without sex for 5 years as my partner went off sex. I left but that was because there were other issues too. I did however find it very soul destroying but would never have cheated. But in those days i was not aware of Fab. If i had of been then things may have been different. Who knows?" I was in exactly the same position. I agree that it was soul destroying. In my case, my ex said it was my fault too. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt? "Is it really so bad?" What a ridiculous opinion on the subject. " Someone obviously hurt you really badly. I’m really sorry. Maybe you could open up and share in your safe space aka the forums. Keep your chin up. You’ll get there one day, we are all rooting for you. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?if you were the one cheated on do you think it wouldnt be so bad? Think you need to look at both sides of that situation to be able to say it wouldnt be so bad . For all my objectivity up thread, if I was the party being cheated on I think I would go fucking crazy. "You can give me a hand to dispose of the body (he's a big fucker) and I'll return the favour sometime | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?if you were the one cheated on do you think it wouldnt be so bad? Think you need to look at both sides of that situation to be able to say it wouldnt be so bad . For all my objectivity up thread, if I was the party being cheated on I think I would go fucking crazy.
You can give me a hand to dispose of the body (he's a big fucker) and I'll return the favour sometime "lmao | |||
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"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt? "Is it really so bad?" What a ridiculous opinion on the subject. Someone obviously hurt you really badly. I’m really sorry. Maybe you could open up and share in your safe space aka the forums. Keep your chin up. You’ll get there one day, we are all rooting for you. " Here's my No.1 fan. Follows me about like a wee lapdug. Here boy. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating" Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. " His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? " Nope it would be a total car crash. But only the guy cheating can weigh up the whole situation and decide if casual sex is worth it. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? Nope it would be a total car crash. But only the guy cheating can weigh up the whole situation and decide if casual sex is worth it. " Or he just doesn't give enough of a shit and does what he wants anyway. Actions over thought for consequence rarely ends well. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? Nope it would be a total car crash. But only the guy cheating can weigh up the whole situation and decide if casual sex is worth it. Or he just doesn't give enough of a shit and does what he wants anyway. Actions over thought for consequence rarely ends well. " Yep, I'm sure that's pretty often the case too. The very reason why I would never knowingly become involved with a married man or woman (loads on here but they never seem to get the same flack). End of the day, none of us know what's going on in a relationship. I'm too interested in mine to become involved in the dramas of someone else's. If they can sleep at night fair do's. If not, do something about it. | |||
" End of the day, none of us know what's going on in a relationship. I'm too interested in mine to become involved in the dramas of someone else's. If they can sleep at night fair do's. If not, do something about it." Those are probably the smartest words posted on this thread. So much sanctimony on a swingers' site! | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? " Im sure he will deal with it should it happen. What if hes knocked down and killed tomorrow then it wont come out. We could look at lots of different situations and say what ifs. WHAT IF he says sorry darling i really love you, your my best friend but i cant live without sex. So rather than cheating on you behind your back im leaving you on yer todd. Have a nice life. Not a win win but a win lose situation. We cant judge anyones situation or how they deal with it. | |||
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"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? Im sure he will deal with it should it happen. What if hes knocked down and killed tomorrow then it wont come out. We could look at lots of different situations and say what ifs. WHAT IF he says sorry darling i really love you, your my best friend but i cant live without sex. So rather than cheating on you behind your back im leaving you on yer todd. Have a nice life. Not a win win but a win lose situation. We cant judge anyones situation or how they deal with it." You could make up any hypotheticals. His wife might find out and kill herself. Bottom line is, all the hypotheticals you can think of are being caused by him because he's not being honest with his wife and is out cheating on her. | |||
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"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? Im sure he will deal with it should it happen. What if hes knocked down and killed tomorrow then it wont come out. We could look at lots of different situations and say what ifs. WHAT IF he says sorry darling i really love you, your my best friend but i cant live without sex. So rather than cheating on you behind your back im leaving you on yer todd. Have a nice life. Not a win win but a win lose situation. We cant judge anyones situation or how they deal with it. You could make up any hypotheticals. His wife might find out and kill herself. Bottom line is, all the hypotheticals you can think of are being caused by him because he's not being honest with his wife and is out cheating on her. " Yes its his fault his wife has a low sex drive and its his fault he loves her and its his fault he dosnt leave her and its his fault he spares her feelings about talking about sex with someone because she was cheated on in the past. Its ALL his fault that brings about these different hypothetical situations. All he is guilty of is having some meaningless sex with other women now and again. Ohh wait that scenario sounds a bit familial to me on a swinger site. | |||
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"I personally do not care why anyone, married or single are on this site it has absolutely nothing to do with me at all and would prefer not to know anyone’s personal business at any stage. " I think wat you just said should be added to the site rules lol best comment on this thread | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? Im sure he will deal with it should it happen. What if hes knocked down and killed tomorrow then it wont come out. We could look at lots of different situations and say what ifs. WHAT IF he says sorry darling i really love you, your my best friend but i cant live without sex. So rather than cheating on you behind your back im leaving you on yer todd. Have a nice life. Not a win win but a win lose situation. We cant judge anyones situation or how they deal with it. You could make up any hypotheticals. His wife might find out and kill herself. Bottom line is, all the hypotheticals you can think of are being caused by him because he's not being honest with his wife and is out cheating on her. Yes its his fault his wife has a low sex drive and its his fault he loves her and its his fault he dosnt leave her and its his fault he spares her feelings about talking about sex with someone because she was cheated on in the past. Its ALL his fault that brings about these different hypothetical situations. All he is guilty of is having some meaningless sex with other women now and again. Ohh wait that scenario sounds a bit familial to me on a swinger site. " You are correct, it's a swinger's site, not an adultery site. Or is there no difference to you? | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? Im sure he will deal with it should it happen. What if hes knocked down and killed tomorrow then it wont come out. We could look at lots of different situations and say what ifs. WHAT IF he says sorry darling i really love you, your my best friend but i cant live without sex. So rather than cheating on you behind your back im leaving you on yer todd. Have a nice life. Not a win win but a win lose situation. We cant judge anyones situation or how they deal with it. You could make up any hypotheticals. His wife might find out and kill herself. Bottom line is, all the hypotheticals you can think of are being caused by him because he's not being honest with his wife and is out cheating on her. Yes its his fault his wife has a low sex drive and its his fault he loves her and its his fault he dosnt leave her and its his fault he spares her feelings about talking about sex with someone because she was cheated on in the past. Its ALL his fault that brings about these different hypothetical situations. All he is guilty of is having some meaningless sex with other women now and again. Ohh wait that scenario sounds a bit familial to me on a swinger site. You are correct, it's a swinger's site, not an adultery site. Or is there no difference to you? "So when did swinging ever include singles. I might be wrong but i always believed that swinging involved couples swapping . Im sure it now incorporates many different faucets. Married guys meeting people being one of those. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? Im sure he will deal with it should it happen. What if hes knocked down and killed tomorrow then it wont come out. We could look at lots of different situations and say what ifs. WHAT IF he says sorry darling i really love you, your my best friend but i cant live without sex. So rather than cheating on you behind your back im leaving you on yer todd. Have a nice life. Not a win win but a win lose situation. We cant judge anyones situation or how they deal with it. You could make up any hypotheticals. His wife might find out and kill herself. Bottom line is, all the hypotheticals you can think of are being caused by him because he's not being honest with his wife and is out cheating on her. Yes its his fault his wife has a low sex drive and its his fault he loves her and its his fault he dosnt leave her and its his fault he spares her feelings about talking about sex with someone because she was cheated on in the past. Its ALL his fault that brings about these different hypothetical situations. All he is guilty of is having some meaningless sex with other women now and again. Ohh wait that scenario sounds a bit familial to me on a swinger site. You are correct, it's a swinger's site, not an adultery site. Or is there no difference to you?
So when did swinging ever include singles. I might be wrong but i always believed that swinging involved couples swapping . Im sure it now incorporates many different faucets. Married guys meeting people being one of those. "Single people aren't going behind anyone's back to get sex, married people without consent are. Some people don't care about wrecking marriages though, particularly not their own, it seems. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? Im sure he will deal with it should it happen. What if hes knocked down and killed tomorrow then it wont come out. We could look at lots of different situations and say what ifs. WHAT IF he says sorry darling i really love you, your my best friend but i cant live without sex. So rather than cheating on you behind your back im leaving you on yer todd. Have a nice life. Not a win win but a win lose situation. We cant judge anyones situation or how they deal with it. You could make up any hypotheticals. His wife might find out and kill herself. Bottom line is, all the hypotheticals you can think of are being caused by him because he's not being honest with his wife and is out cheating on her. Yes its his fault his wife has a low sex drive and its his fault he loves her and its his fault he dosnt leave her and its his fault he spares her feelings about talking about sex with someone because she was cheated on in the past. Its ALL his fault that brings about these different hypothetical situations. All he is guilty of is having some meaningless sex with other women now and again. Ohh wait that scenario sounds a bit familial to me on a swinger site. You are correct, it's a swinger's site, not an adultery site. Or is there no difference to you?
So when did swinging ever include singles. I might be wrong but i always believed that swinging involved couples swapping . Im sure it now incorporates many different faucets. Married guys meeting people being one of those.
Single people aren't going behind anyone's back to get sex, married people without consent are. Some people don't care about wrecking marriages though, particularly not their own, it seems. "Missd your missing my point , for whatever the reasoning behind the cheating , and i use the word cheating because thats what it is . What if the cheating is saving a marriage and leaving kids with both parents bringing them up and having a normal family life and growing old together. What if cheating meant ALL that , your argument is , not worth it leave her or him and live your separate lives and destroy that family. That IS the MORAL view but life and situations dont always boil down to whats RIGHT. Sometimes the least painful option is the best option. And if its the best option , then it becomes the RIGHT option. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? Im sure he will deal with it should it happen. What if hes knocked down and killed tomorrow then it wont come out. We could look at lots of different situations and say what ifs. WHAT IF he says sorry darling i really love you, your my best friend but i cant live without sex. So rather than cheating on you behind your back im leaving you on yer todd. Have a nice life. Not a win win but a win lose situation. We cant judge anyones situation or how they deal with it. You could make up any hypotheticals. His wife might find out and kill herself. Bottom line is, all the hypotheticals you can think of are being caused by him because he's not being honest with his wife and is out cheating on her. Yes its his fault his wife has a low sex drive and its his fault he loves her and its his fault he dosnt leave her and its his fault he spares her feelings about talking about sex with someone because she was cheated on in the past. Its ALL his fault that brings about these different hypothetical situations. All he is guilty of is having some meaningless sex with other women now and again. Ohh wait that scenario sounds a bit familial to me on a swinger site. You are correct, it's a swinger's site, not an adultery site. Or is there no difference to you?
So when did swinging ever include singles. I might be wrong but i always believed that swinging involved couples swapping . Im sure it now incorporates many different faucets. Married guys meeting people being one of those.
Single people aren't going behind anyone's back to get sex, married people without consent are. Some people don't care about wrecking marriages though, particularly not their own, it seems.
Missd your missing my point , for whatever the reasoning behind the cheating , and i use the word cheating because thats what it is . What if the cheating is saving a marriage and leaving kids with both parents bringing them up and having a normal family life and growing old together. What if cheating meant ALL that , your argument is , not worth it leave her or him and live your separate lives and destroy that family. That IS the MORAL view but life and situations dont always boil down to whats RIGHT. Sometimes the least painful option is the best option. And if its the best option , then it becomes the RIGHT option. "But you have no idea if you are right as you don't know his family circumstances. So it's pure conjecture on your part to suit your argument. What we do know is, he's here, his wife doesn't consent, she would be devastated if she did find out, but he continues to use the site or look elsewhere to cheat despite knowing what it would do to his wife. | |||
"I'm very open in my profile in stating clearly that I'm married. It's a single male profile, though, and for a reason. My wife was brilliant in bed when we married and for years after that. However, during her menopause, she went completely off all sex. We are still very much in love with each other. We are both very frustrated with the situation and have talked about it often. Without me asking her, she spoke with her own doctor (a mature male!) about it. He was about to prescribe HRT patches for her to try when she had some post-menopausal bleeding. Hospital clinic investigations (ultrasound scan, internal examination, and also MRI scan show thickening of her womb lining but no evidence of cancer. We are grateful for that, but she can't use any form of HRT as a result. She is still a very sexy lady, and dresses well. I use FAB to have occasional meets with women or couples to supplement what sex I can get from my wife (whe have had intercourse twice since Christmas). We are very open between each other about the marked difference in our sexual desires, but I feel that discussing extra-marital sex with her is a step too far as her first marriage broke up after a year because her husband was cheating with her best friend. I know that what I do is wrong, but I can't cope without a reasonable amount of sex and enjoy it so much. Equally, I don't want to upset my wife, although I know she would be devastated if she found out what I was doing. It's not an easy situation for either of us. That's a very elaborate way of saying you're a cheat. Maybe so but at the end of the day he has not left, he is not having a wild passionate affair and his wife is none the wiser so is it really so bad as nobody is getting hurt?no its even worse than so bad he knows his wife would be devastated but continues with it rather than seek a remedy with a clear discussion with his wife. all the justifications dont change that he knows he is doing wrong and cheating Ohh get a grip. The guy knows hes cheating, he cant talk about it due to his wifes past experiences. He needs sex and for certain reasons hes not getting it. His wife is NOT getting hurt as she dosnt know what hes doing. Its a win win win situation. Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. His wife doesn't know, yet. What about the consequences when she does find out or catches him? He knows she'll be distraught. Who knows how she would take it? Still win win then? Im sure he will deal with it should it happen. What if hes knocked down and killed tomorrow then it wont come out. We could look at lots of different situations and say what ifs. WHAT IF he says sorry darling i really love you, your my best friend but i cant live without sex. So rather than cheating on you behind your back im leaving you on yer todd. Have a nice life. Not a win win but a win lose situation. We cant judge anyones situation or how they deal with it. You could make up any hypotheticals. His wife might find out and kill herself. Bottom line is, all the hypotheticals you can think of are being caused by him because he's not being honest with his wife and is out cheating on her. Yes its his fault his wife has a low sex drive and its his fault he loves her and its his fault he dosnt leave her and its his fault he spares her feelings about talking about sex with someone because she was cheated on in the past. Its ALL his fault that brings about these different hypothetical situations. All he is guilty of is having some meaningless sex with other women now and again. Ohh wait that scenario sounds a bit familial to me on a swinger site. You are correct, it's a swinger's site, not an adultery site. Or is there no difference to you?
So when did swinging ever include singles. I might be wrong but i always believed that swinging involved couples swapping . Im sure it now incorporates many different faucets. Married guys meeting people being one of those.
Single people aren't going behind anyone's back to get sex, married people without consent are. Some people don't care about wrecking marriages though, particularly not their own, it seems.
Missd your missing my point , for whatever the reasoning behind the cheating , and i use the word cheating because thats what it is . What if the cheating is saving a marriage and leaving kids with both parents bringing them up and having a normal family life and growing old together. What if cheating meant ALL that , your argument is , not worth it leave her or him and live your separate lives and destroy that family. That IS the MORAL view but life and situations dont always boil down to whats RIGHT. Sometimes the least painful option is the best option. And if its the best option , then it becomes the RIGHT option.
But you have no idea if you are right as you don't know his family circumstances. So it's pure conjecture on your part to suit your argument.
What we do know is, he's here, his wife doesn't consent, she would be devastated if she did find out, but he continues to use the site or look elsewhere to cheat despite knowing what it would do to his wife.
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"If someones wife, husband or partner goes off sex forever is it so wrong that the person should stray?. Or do you think they should go through life without sex too?" Depends on how serious they look back on their vows (if they are married) In Sickness and in Health. But lets be honest, this can be debated until the cows come home and people will always cheat. They will cheat because they can, they don't need a valid reason or excuse, all they need is an opportunity, a willing partner and the thought that they won't get caught. | |||
"Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. while my family dont know im on this site they know the type of person I am and it would be no suprise. I fail to see the relevance I made no commitment to my family I was also in an open marriage so she knew what was going on. you keep refering to 30 yrs cheating never caught so no harm......bollocks if it was known or found out there would be plenty of harm but as is often the case its only the individuals feelings and wants that matter. that to my way of thinking is utterly abhorrent Some folk accept cheats buying into the justifications given but it always boils down to no fucks given I want " You really need to read all of my posts since the part you quote me on. You are also going back over ground where i said she never found out. You also skip past where i ask , what is worse leaving or staying and doing what i did. Lastly im not justifying what i did , thats impossible to some but you dont have an open mind that everyone has differing reasons for doing something. Lastly please please tell me what harm was done when she never knew it happened. You said that statement was bollocks , plz tell me that. And plz dont quote IF she found out , we covered that earlier. You said bollocks plz explain. | |||
"If someones wife, husband or partner goes off sex forever is it so wrong that the person should stray?. Or do you think they should go through life without sex too? Depends on how serious they look back on their vows (if they are married) In Sickness and in Health. But lets be honest, this can be debated until the cows come home and people will always cheat. They will cheat because they can, they don't need a valid reason or excuse, all they need is an opportunity, a willing partner and the thought that they won't get caught. " Part of that saying is forsaking all other. But parts of it can be broken but other parts not . Mmmm someone said above he was in an OPEN relationship, i wonder if THEY said forsaking ALL others too. Not having a dig just making a point. | |||
"Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. while my family dont know im on this site they know the type of person I am and it would be no suprise. I fail to see the relevance I made no commitment to my family I was also in an open marriage so she knew what was going on. you keep refering to 30 yrs cheating never caught so no harm......bollocks if it was known or found out there would be plenty of harm but as is often the case its only the individuals feelings and wants that matter. that to my way of thinking is utterly abhorrent Some folk accept cheats buying into the justifications given but it always boils down to no fucks given I want You really need to read all of my posts since the part you quote me on. You are also going back over ground where i said she never found out. You also skip past where i ask , what is worse leaving or staying and doing what i did. Lastly im not justifying what i did , thats impossible to some but you dont have an open mind that everyone has differing reasons for doing something. Lastly please please tell me what harm was done when she never knew it happened. You said that statement was bollocks , plz tell me that. And plz dont quote IF she found out , we covered that earlier. You said bollocks plz explain. " just because someone dosnt find out dosnt mean no harm no foul. whats worse leaving or staying how about honesty to the person you wanted to spend your life with at one point. I dont need to quote if she found out she may still find out or her family (or your kids if there was any in your marriage) Again its only your wants and needs you are/were thinking about and for yourself and others that agree with that behaviour its all good dont expect everyone to pat you on tha back and tell you you were/are right though | |||
"If someones wife, husband or partner goes off sex forever is it so wrong that the person should stray?. Or do you think they should go through life without sex too? Depends on how serious they look back on their vows (if they are married) In Sickness and in Health. But lets be honest, this can be debated until the cows come home and people will always cheat. They will cheat because they can, they don't need a valid reason or excuse, all they need is an opportunity, a willing partner and the thought that they won't get caught. Part of that saying is forsaking all other. But parts of it can be broken but other parts not . Mmmm someone said above he was in an OPEN relationship, i wonder if THEY said forsaking ALL others too. Not having a dig just making a point. " I was replying to the OP's question, if you want to make a point then you're best directing it at whoever rather than through my reply. That way your point wont go unnoticed, in my opinion of course. | |||
"If someones wife, husband or partner goes off sex forever is it so wrong that the person should stray?. Or do you think they should go through life without sex too? Depends on how serious they look back on their vows (if they are married) In Sickness and in Health. But lets be honest, this can be debated until the cows come home and people will always cheat. They will cheat because they can, they don't need a valid reason or excuse, all they need is an opportunity, a willing partner and the thought that they won't get caught. Part of that saying is forsaking all other. But parts of it can be broken but other parts not . Mmmm someone said above he was in an OPEN relationship, i wonder if THEY said forsaking ALL others too. Not having a dig just making a point. " nope had our own vows | |||
"Kola i bet your family dont know your on a site looking for CASUAL sex and would think it was WRONG , does THEIR high MORALS mean you will be leaving Fab any time soon. People on Fab should jump off that high horse as outside Fab, general people would mostly dissaprove of its existence. Different situations for people whether cheating , casual sexing, single fems having fun every weekend . Each to thier own. while my family dont know im on this site they know the type of person I am and it would be no suprise. I fail to see the relevance I made no commitment to my family I was also in an open marriage so she knew what was going on. you keep refering to 30 yrs cheating never caught so no harm......bollocks if it was known or found out there would be plenty of harm but as is often the case its only the individuals feelings and wants that matter. that to my way of thinking is utterly abhorrent Some folk accept cheats buying into the justifications given but it always boils down to no fucks given I want You really need to read all of my posts since the part you quote me on. You are also going back over ground where i said she never found out. You also skip past where i ask , what is worse leaving or staying and doing what i did. Lastly im not justifying what i did , thats impossible to some but you dont have an open mind that everyone has differing reasons for doing something. Lastly please please tell me what harm was done when she never knew it happened. You said that statement was bollocks , plz tell me that. And plz dont quote IF she found out , we covered that earlier. You said bollocks plz explain. just because someone dosnt find out dosnt mean no harm no foul. whats worse leaving or staying how about honesty to the person you wanted to spend your life with at one point. I dont need to quote if she found out she may still find out or her family (or your kids if there was any in your marriage) Again its only your wants and needs you are/were thinking about and for yourself and others that agree with that behaviour its all good dont expect everyone to pat you on tha back and tell you you were/are right though " You really are very judgemental lol. She may still find out ? . Lol You may be right on that one lmao.
Yes it was all about my wants and needs . A pat on the back ? Again no where did i ask or expect that. In fact my exact words were, im not proud of what i did. You were happy not to quote me there either.
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"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling "Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol. | |||
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"I'm not disagreeing with any of the opinions voiced so far... everyone speaks from their own experience and from their own moral compass. I'm wondering though... how many of us know what those vows really mean when we take them... for better or worse, sickness and health... Should the wife that is beaten or r*ped (yes that happens within marriage), consider that her lot and that stay because of those vows. Mental cruelty or irretrievable breakdown can take many levels for both husband or wife. The law says we can divorce even if it's just that we find we are not compatible. Religion is often far less accommodating but then one has to have a religion. Regardless of law or religion the truth s_ands, in infidelity one person deceives another. The pain of finding your partner has deceived you must be painful and destructive without doubt. I still don't think it's that clear cut... people try to talk to a partner and can be either ignored or denied. Hypothetical situation; - a women has a good marriage in every sense except sexual. She speaks to her partner who ultimately says you like sex much more that me, that's the way I am and no I don't want you having sex elsewhere. Some of you think she should accept that and I see why. Some of you don't and I see why too. Also, swinging is against religious law or the marriage vows too, yet we are saying couples here are ok because it's consenting. People, relationships and what we do within them are very complex. Each person is master of how they deal with their own situation. For instance ... Ironically they can be honest here and say they are cheating, that would be good for someone who does not knowingly want to play with "cheaters". The sex drive is very strong and a basic human need but it is indeed dangerous ground to seek sexual intimacy with others. In my opinion (and as oft said here it IS only that), this debate will never be resolved. Like anything here.. vet well to make sure you find what you truly seek dear fabbers... "Thats how you sum up a debate. | |||
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"Its been a great debate with many wise words and various opinions. Sometimes these topics need to be covered to let folk voice how they feel and hopefully not be judged in certain situations. I wasted nearly 30yrs of my life due to being too weak to move on. We only live one life so as adults its up to us to choose the right paths that suit our needs." Indeed Miss Bell... and therein lies those wonderful human qualities of hindsight and experience... ohhh we've all wished to have had them at some point in life. Thank you for bringing up the topic and it's great to see that folk have put forward their opinions in a grown up way on the forum. Vel xXx | |||
"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol. "I know you were not
I just wanted to put that notion out there.
At the end of the day, everyone has to live with looking at their own reflection in the mirror every day.
If that makes sense.
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"Its been a great debate with many wise words and various opinions. Sometimes these topics need to be covered to let folk voice how they feel and hopefully not be judged in certain situations. I wasted nearly 30yrs of my life due to being too weak to move on. We only live one life so as adults its up to us to choose the right paths that suit our needs. Indeed Miss Bell... and therein lies those wonderful human qualities of hindsight and experience... ohhh we've all wished to have had them at some point in life. Thank you for bringing up the topic and it's great to see that folk have put forward their opinions in a grown up way on the forum. Vel xXx "Agreed Rouge, must be the Week of the Libra lol | |||
"Its been a great debate with many wise words and various opinions. Sometimes these topics need to be covered to let folk voice how they feel and hopefully not be judged in certain situations. I wasted nearly 30yrs of my life due to being too weak to move on. We only live one life so as adults its up to us to choose the right paths that suit our needs. Indeed Miss Bell... and therein lies those wonderful human qualities of hindsight and experience... ohhh we've all wished to have had them at some point in life. Thank you for bringing up the topic and it's great to see that folk have put forward their opinions in a grown up way on the forum. Vel xXx
Agreed Rouge, must be the Week of the Libra lol "Librans rock ...just saying | |||
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"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol. "my goodness you have real problems with my viewpoint why would I need to share my intimate life with my family I made no commitment to them to stay pure as the driven snow or as dirty as a mudpit. cheaters commited to their partner and broke that promiseand no amount of justification can or will change that accept and move on | |||
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"Its been a great debate with many wise words and various opinions. Sometimes these topics need to be covered to let folk voice how they feel and hopefully not be judged in certain situations. I wasted nearly 30yrs of my life due to being too weak to move on. We only live one life so as adults its up to us to choose the right paths that suit our needs. Indeed Miss Bell... and therein lies those wonderful human qualities of hindsight and experience... ohhh we've all wished to have had them at some point in life. Thank you for bringing up the topic and it's great to see that folk have put forward their opinions in a grown up way on the forum. Vel xXx
Agreed Rouge, must be the Week of the Libra lol
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"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol. "Or maybe people like you are just enforcing society's eroneous view that swingers are all just cheating scumbags that can't stay faithful. Swinging in the original sense is all about trust and commitment, being open and honest with your partner. Consent of all parties is key. Cheating is all about dishonesy, lying and well, cheating on your partner. An unenlightened society may see it all as deviance, but there is a clear fundamental difference. Trying to make yourself feel better by lumping cheating in with swinging is just sad. | |||
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"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol.
Or maybe people like you are just enforcing society's eroneous view that swingers are all just cheating scumbags that can't stay faithful. Swinging in the original sense is all about trust and commitment, being open and honest with your partner. Consent of all parties is key. Cheating is all about dishonesy, lying and well, cheating on your partner. An unenlightened society may see it all as deviance, but there is a clear fundamental difference. Trying to make yourself feel better by lumping cheating in with swinging is just sad."I thought the subject had been summed up but i will reply as you made some direct accusation at me. You ask for an unenlightened society to be more acceptable as to what swinging is yet you dont want an unenlightened swinger to see that sometimes cheating is done with the best intentions possible . You would rather use words like selfish , scumbags , unfaithful. I never once linked cheating to swinging , the link i made was that sometimes not being open and honest about what you do is the best option. Or are you going to tell me your family knows your on a swinger site. And you have open and honest discussions about it to enlighten them ? . I have not name called or verbally attacked anyone yet to get your point heard the moralistic among you feel its ok to use words like selfish, lying , cheating abhorrent etc. Glasses houses guys. | |||
"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol.
Or maybe people like you are just enforcing society's eroneous view that swingers are all just cheating scumbags that can't stay faithful. Swinging in the original sense is all about trust and commitment, being open and honest with your partner. Consent of all parties is key. Cheating is all about dishonesy, lying and well, cheating on your partner. An unenlightened society may see it all as deviance, but there is a clear fundamental difference. Trying to make yourself feel better by lumping cheating in with swinging is just sad.
I thought the subject had been summed up but i will reply as you made some direct accusation at me. You ask for an unenlightened society to be more acceptable as to what swinging is yet you dont want an unenlightened swinger to see that sometimes cheating is done with the best intentions possible . You would rather use words like selfish , scumbags , unfaithful. I never once linked cheating to swinging , the link i made was that sometimes not being open and honest about what you do is the best option. Or are you going to tell me your family knows your on a swinger site. And you have open and honest discussions about it to enlighten them ? . I have not name called or verbally attacked anyone yet to get your point heard the moralistic among you feel its ok to use words like selfish, lying , cheating abhorrent etc. Glasses houses guys."On a lighter note....just think of the positives. All the time spent replying to posts on here have kept you away from those durty wimmin who want to shag a married man! | |||
"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol. my goodness you have real problems with my viewpoint
why would I need to share my intimate life with my family I made no commitment to them to stay pure as the driven snow or as dirty as a mudpit.
cheaters commited to their partner and broke that promiseand no amount of justification can or will change that accept and move on"Married couples commited to each other too, many under the eyes of the church by way of vows, surely they become cheaters in your eyes too then. Or is commitment only when it suits your argument kola. ? | |||
"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol.
Or maybe people like you are just enforcing society's eroneous view that swingers are all just cheating scumbags that can't stay faithful. Swinging in the original sense is all about trust and commitment, being open and honest with your partner. Consent of all parties is key. Cheating is all about dishonesy, lying and well, cheating on your partner. An unenlightened society may see it all as deviance, but there is a clear fundamental difference. Trying to make yourself feel better by lumping cheating in with swinging is just sad.
I thought the subject had been summed up but i will reply as you made some direct accusation at me. You ask for an unenlightened society to be more acceptable as to what swinging is yet you dont want an unenlightened swinger to see that sometimes cheating is done with the best intentions possible . You would rather use words like selfish , scumbags , unfaithful. I never once linked cheating to swinging , the link i made was that sometimes not being open and honest about what you do is the best option. Or are you going to tell me your family knows your on a swinger site. And you have open and honest discussions about it to enlighten them ? . I have not name called or verbally attacked anyone yet to get your point heard the moralistic among you feel its ok to use words like selfish, lying , cheating abhorrent etc. Glasses houses guys."Read it again, I said its society's onerous view that all swingers are cheating scumbags. Kinda different from calling you that. And maybe if society didnt hold that view I would be able to be open and honest with everyone about my interests. I am not cheating on anyone though. You were. Having recently had a call from a devestated wife that found out I was due to meet her husband (that had swore blind he was unattached) I have seen the consequences, even if you were lucky not to. And thats all you were, lucky that your wife never found out. I dont see why you and I should be lumped in the same boat just because we happen to use the same website. And I dont see what offends you about anyone using the words lying, cheating and unfaithful when that's exactly what you were? I guess the truth hurts. Call me 'moralistic' all you like. I don't see that as being a bad thing, being a swinger does not mean I can't have morals. As for the subject having been 'summed up' just because someone made a post you agreed with that doesn't mean nobody else can add their view. | |||
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"Its been a great debate with many wise words and various opinions. Sometimes these topics need to be covered to let folk voice how they feel and hopefully not be judged in certain situations. I wasted nearly 30yrs of my life due to being too weak to move on. We only live one life so as adults its up to us to choose the right paths that suit our needs. Indeed Miss Bell... and therein lies those wonderful human qualities of hindsight and experience... ohhh we've all wished to have had them at some point in life. Thank you for bringing up the topic and it's great to see that folk have put forward their opinions in a grown up way on the forum. Vel xXx
Agreed Rouge, must be the Week of the Libra lol
Librans rock ...just saying "Lol yep to you both | |||
"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol.
Or maybe people like you are just enforcing society's eroneous view that swingers are all just cheating scumbags that can't stay faithful. Swinging in the original sense is all about trust and commitment, being open and honest with your partner. Consent of all parties is key. Cheating is all about dishonesy, lying and well, cheating on your partner. An unenlightened society may see it all as deviance, but there is a clear fundamental difference. Trying to make yourself feel better by lumping cheating in with swinging is just sad.
I thought the subject had been summed up but i will reply as you made some direct accusation at me. You ask for an unenlightened society to be more acceptable as to what swinging is yet you dont want an unenlightened swinger to see that sometimes cheating is done with the best intentions possible . You would rather use words like selfish , scumbags , unfaithful. I never once linked cheating to swinging , the link i made was that sometimes not being open and honest about what you do is the best option. Or are you going to tell me your family knows your on a swinger site. And you have open and honest discussions about it to enlighten them ? . I have not name called or verbally attacked anyone yet to get your point heard the moralistic among you feel its ok to use words like selfish, lying , cheating abhorrent etc. Glasses houses guys.
Read it again, I said its society's onerous view that all swingers are cheating scumbags. Kinda different from calling you that. And maybe if society didnt hold that view I would be able to be open and honest with everyone about my interests. I am not cheating on anyone though. You were. Having recently had a call from a devestated wife that found out I was due to meet her husband (that had swore blind he was unattached) I have seen the consequences, even if you were lucky not to. And thats all you were, lucky that your wife never found out. I dont see why you and I should be lumped in the same boat just because we happen to use the same website. And I dont see what offends you about anyone using the words lying, cheating and unfaithful when that's exactly what you were? I guess the truth hurts. Call me 'moralistic' all you like. I don't see that as being a bad thing, being a swinger does not mean I can't have morals. As for the subject having been 'summed up' just because someone made a post you agreed with that doesn't mean nobody else can add their view."I have NEVER EVER heard a swinger being called a cheating scumbag so that sounds like your words in reference to a person thats unfaithful. Happy for ANY other Fabber to respond in here if they have ever heard a swinger being reffered as a cheating scumbag. I believe you dont say your a single female on Fab a hook up site for promiscuous sex with other men women and couples is because the names a moral society link to you and the type of LADY you are would be pretty much way worse than cheating scumbag. Im sure if those words were used in this forum you would take it VERY personal too. The truth dosnt hurt its the bullshit name calling that warrants replies. | |||
"I have NEVER EVER heard a swinger being called a cheating scumbag so that sounds like your words in reference to a person thats unfaithful. Happy for ANY other Fabber to respond in here if they have ever heard a swinger being reffered as a cheating scumbag. I believe you dont say your a single female on Fab a hook up site for promiscuous sex with other men women and couples is because the names a moral society link to you and the type of LADY you are would be pretty much way worse than cheating scumbag. Im sure if those words were used in this forum you would take it VERY personal too. The truth dosnt hurt its the bullshit name calling that warrants replies. " Christ you only have to look on any thread about swinging on mumsnet to see the insults fly. As for being a single female on a swinging site, I first joined as a couple and do consider myself a swinger rather than using fab as a 'hook up' site. But that's an other subject. Society may well call me promiscuous and have mean names, as a lady that has always loved sex they've been doing that since long before I joined fab. I don't care because I am not hurting anyone. As for not wanting to tell my family, what woman discusses her sex life with her parents and child?? My friends are well aware of my pastimes. Again I am not hurting anyone. You say that too but in your case its only true because you never got caught. Stop trying to lump swinging and cheating in the same box and I will stop feeling I have to point out the differences in ways you clearly don't like... | |||
"People are obviously confused here. Marriage vows have never been a legal contract. They are a moral construct, enforced, in the past, by church courts, which have long lost their "authority" over the populace. (Don't forget, these were the same people who were torturing, trying, and burning witches until the 17th century. How enlightened and moral was that?) Nowadays, these vows are only used by the moral minority to support the sort of arguments being posted here. The legal aspect of marriage is the contract, which does have certain legal effects, but adultery isn't one of them. Adultery may be cited as a reason for divorce, but it isn't illegal. Again, it comes down to the morality of the perceiver, and in the case of Fab, and the things its members indulge in, maybe people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. If those who throw the word "cheater" around still want to stick to believing in "Forsaking all others", and still want to swing, you yourselves are not sticking to your outmoded morals. Something to think about, when you invite 1, 2, or more to your bed. Velouria, one minor quibble with your post. Men get beaten too. I got a fractured jaw, and lost some teeth through that. " Yep Gumio, agreed thought I’d made it plain both men and women suffer abuse in relationships and sorry you suffered that, however glad you and bluebell got out of such a horrible situation. Thing is we can all give examples of “what if this situation, what if that situation” - some will agree with a certain viewpoint or circumstance and some won’t. Some folk come here with some justifiction (even if some don’t agree) and some come with no justification. As Max said if they can look in the mirror and deal with the consequence should it arise then thats their choice. For anyone who has a problem meeting someone who cheats then thats down to good vetting and a wee bit of luck. Human beings break laws all the time, in fact i seriously doubt any of us coukd honestly say we haven’t lied or stolen something, even if it was insignificant. There’s always two sides to a story though, a partner that is vulnerable through illness or just “off sex” for whatever readon must often feel that if they allow their partner sexual intimacy with someone else it may lead to more. I’ve seen that in so called “happy swinging couples”. It’s easy to sort someone else’s problems, especially when you’ve not experienced it or you have the good fortune to have someone who works through a problem with you. Very often thats not the case. However, respect all the viewpoints here | |||
"Communication is key, no right or wrong to it, but there needs to be clear and honest talks between both parties. Great thread with some interesting replies. Sx" Communication IS the key
Needs to be both ways and both need to listen too lol | |||
"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol.
Or maybe people like you are just enforcing society's eroneous view that swingers are all just cheating scumbags that can't stay faithful. Swinging in the original sense is all about trust and commitment, being open and honest with your partner. Consent of all parties is key. Cheating is all about dishonesy, lying and well, cheating on your partner. An unenlightened society may see it all as deviance, but there is a clear fundamental difference. Trying to make yourself feel better by lumping cheating in with swinging is just sad.
I thought the subject had been summed up but i will reply as you made some direct accusation at me. You ask for an unenlightened society to be more acceptable as to what swinging is yet you dont want an unenlightened swinger to see that sometimes cheating is done with the best intentions possible . You would rather use words like selfish , scumbags , unfaithful. I never once linked cheating to swinging , the link i made was that sometimes not being open and honest about what you do is the best option. Or are you going to tell me your family knows your on a swinger site. And you have open and honest discussions about it to enlighten them ? . I have not name called or verbally attacked anyone yet to get your point heard the moralistic among you feel its ok to use words like selfish, lying , cheating abhorrent etc. Glasses houses guys."I agree there is no need for degrading name calling, its an ADULT site, we should be capable of thought provoking and mind expanding discussion WITHOUT such childish insults. | |||
"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol.
Or maybe people like you are just enforcing society's eroneous view that swingers are all just cheating scumbags that can't stay faithful. Swinging in the original sense is all about trust and commitment, being open and honest with your partner. Consent of all parties is key. Cheating is all about dishonesy, lying and well, cheating on your partner. An unenlightened society may see it all as deviance, but there is a clear fundamental difference. Trying to make yourself feel better by lumping cheating in with swinging is just sad.
I thought the subject had been summed up but i will reply as you made some direct accusation at me. You ask for an unenlightened society to be more acceptable as to what swinging is yet you dont want an unenlightened swinger to see that sometimes cheating is done with the best intentions possible . You would rather use words like selfish , scumbags , unfaithful. I never once linked cheating to swinging , the link i made was that sometimes not being open and honest about what you do is the best option. Or are you going to tell me your family knows your on a swinger site. And you have open and honest discussions about it to enlighten them ? . I have not name called or verbally attacked anyone yet to get your point heard the moralistic among you feel its ok to use words like selfish, lying , cheating abhorrent etc. Glasses houses guys.
Read it again, I said its society's onerous view that all swingers are cheating scumbags. Kinda different from calling you that. And maybe if society didnt hold that view I would be able to be open and honest with everyone about my interests. I am not cheating on anyone though. You were. Having recently had a call from a devestated wife that found out I was due to meet her husband (that had swore blind he was unattached) I have seen the consequences, even if you were lucky not to. And thats all you were, lucky that your wife never found out. I dont see why you and I should be lumped in the same boat just because we happen to use the same website. And I dont see what offends you about anyone using the words lying, cheating and unfaithful when that's exactly what you were? I guess the truth hurts. Call me 'moralistic' all you like. I don't see that as being a bad thing, being a swinger does not mean I can't have morals. As for the subject having been 'summed up' just because someone made a post you agreed with that doesn't mean nobody else can add their view."Some fair points but devil wasn’t offended by the words cheating or unfaithful. It was words like scumbag which he found offensive (not saying YOU said that btw). Likewise we can all claim to add our view and like you said, we should. Of course they differ, we should be able to do so without resorting to angry name calling. Its also a point that swinging is frowned upon by many in society along with lots of other sexual behaviour depending on your moral standpoint. Thats a personal one too. Allowing someone else their opinion is part of expecting your own to be respected | |||
"This post changed from a debate when someone was told to “get a grip” for voicing their opinion, opinions it seem are only ever okay when someone agrees! " Seems like that sometimes yep | |||
"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol.
Or maybe people like you are just enforcing society's eroneous view that swingers are all just cheating scumbags that can't stay faithful. Swinging in the original sense is all about trust and commitment, being open and honest with your partner. Consent of all parties is key. Cheating is all about dishonesy, lying and well, cheating on your partner. An unenlightened society may see it all as deviance, but there is a clear fundamental difference. Trying to make yourself feel better by lumping cheating in with swinging is just sad.
I thought the subject had been summed up but i will reply as you made some direct accusation at me. You ask for an unenlightened society to be more acceptable as to what swinging is yet you dont want an unenlightened swinger to see that sometimes cheating is done with the best intentions possible . You would rather use words like selfish , scumbags , unfaithful. I never once linked cheating to swinging , the link i made was that sometimes not being open and honest about what you do is the best option. Or are you going to tell me your family knows your on a swinger site. And you have open and honest discussions about it to enlighten them ? . I have not name called or verbally attacked anyone yet to get your point heard the moralistic among you feel its ok to use words like selfish, lying , cheating abhorrent etc. Glasses houses guys.
Read it again, I said its society's onerous view that all swingers are cheating scumbags. Kinda different from calling you that. And maybe if society didnt hold that view I would be able to be open and honest with everyone about my interests. I am not cheating on anyone though. You were. Having recently had a call from a devestated wife that found out I was due to meet her husband (that had swore blind he was unattached) I have seen the consequences, even if you were lucky not to. And thats all you were, lucky that your wife never found out. I dont see why you and I should be lumped in the same boat just because we happen to use the same website. And I dont see what offends you about anyone using the words lying, cheating and unfaithful when that's exactly what you were? I guess the truth hurts. Call me 'moralistic' all you like. I don't see that as being a bad thing, being a swinger does not mean I can't have morals. As for the subject having been 'summed up' just because someone made a post you agreed with that doesn't mean nobody else can add their view.
Some fair points but devil wasn’t offended by the words cheating or unfaithful. It was words like scumbag which he found offensive (not saying YOU said that btw). Likewise we can all claim to add our view and like you said, we should. Of course they differ, we should be able to do so without resorting to angry name calling. Its also a point that swinging is frowned upon by many in society along with lots of other sexual behaviour depending on your moral standpoint. Thats a personal one too. Allowing someone else their opinion is part of expecting your own to be respected "Where was I not allowing his opinion? And where did I resort to 'angry name calling?'. And just because society frowns on swinging as well as cheating doesn't mean I should accept they are the same, or accept cheating as being ok. I don't actually care that he is a cheat, it doesn't affect me. Except when he tries to say swingers shouldn't have an opinion on it (unless it's the same as his) because well swinging, that's just as bad right?! Then it affects me and I will express my views. | |||
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"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol. my goodness you have real problems with my viewpoint
why would I need to share my intimate life with my family I made no commitment to them to stay pure as the driven snow or as dirty as a mudpit.
cheaters commited to their partner and broke that promiseand no amount of justification can or will change that accept and move on
Married couples commited to each other too, many under the eyes of the church by way of vows, surely they become cheaters in your eyes too then. Or is commitment only when it suits your argument kola. ?"eh? I will guess your attempting to say under the church "vows" if so why say them if you are just lying the ability is there to change words my vows suited us both as we both knew and understood qhat was said. if you didnt agree with wwhat you were askedto agree too you shouldnt have agreed again as the one who broke the commitment your fault no one elses now give up I will never agree that cheating is fair or a lesser evil its weak and deplorable imo (yup judgemental and another word im sure you wont like) | |||
"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol.
Or maybe people like you are just enforcing society's eroneous view that swingers are all just cheating scumbags that can't stay faithful. Swinging in the original sense is all about trust and commitment, being open and honest with your partner. Consent of all parties is key. Cheating is all about dishonesy, lying and well, cheating on your partner. An unenlightened society may see it all as deviance, but there is a clear fundamental difference. Trying to make yourself feel better by lumping cheating in with swinging is just sad.
I thought the subject had been summed up but i will reply as you made some direct accusation at me. You ask for an unenlightened society to be more acceptable as to what swinging is yet you dont want an unenlightened swinger to see that sometimes cheating is done with the best intentions possible . You would rather use words like selfish , scumbags , unfaithful. I never once linked cheating to swinging , the link i made was that sometimes not being open and honest about what you do is the best option. Or are you going to tell me your family knows your on a swinger site. And you have open and honest discussions about it to enlighten them ? . I have not name called or verbally attacked anyone yet to get your point heard the moralistic among you feel its ok to use words like selfish, lying , cheating abhorrent etc. Glasses houses guys.
Read it again, I said its society's onerous view that all swingers are cheating scumbags. Kinda different from calling you that. And maybe if society didnt hold that view I would be able to be open and honest with everyone about my interests. I am not cheating on anyone though. You were. Having recently had a call from a devestated wife that found out I was due to meet her husband (that had swore blind he was unattached) I have seen the consequences, even if you were lucky not to. And thats all you were, lucky that your wife never found out. I dont see why you and I should be lumped in the same boat just because we happen to use the same website. And I dont see what offends you about anyone using the words lying, cheating and unfaithful when that's exactly what you were? I guess the truth hurts. Call me 'moralistic' all you like. I don't see that as being a bad thing, being a swinger does not mean I can't have morals. As for the subject having been 'summed up' just because someone made a post you agreed with that doesn't mean nobody else can add their view.
Some fair points but devil wasn’t offended by the words cheating or unfaithful. It was words like scumbag which he found offensive (not saying YOU said that btw). Likewise we can all claim to add our view and like you said, we should. Of course they differ, we should be able to do so without resorting to angry name calling. Its also a point that swinging is frowned upon by many in society along with lots of other sexual behaviour depending on your moral standpoint. Thats a personal one too. Allowing someone else their opinion is part of expecting your own to be respected
Where was I not allowing his opinion? And where did I resort to 'angry name calling?'. And just because society frowns on swinging as well as cheating doesn't mean I should accept they are the same, or accept cheating as being ok. I don't actually care that he is a cheat, it doesn't affect me. Except when he tries to say swingers shouldn't have an opinion on it (unless it's the same as his) because well swinging, that's just as bad right?! Then it affects me and I will express my views."Apologies if it came across that way, I wasn’t accusing you of anything I was answering points on the comments above mine. It’s called debate and shouldn’t be taken personally, only clarified by discussion. One of my main points on here is that there is a myriad of opinions and viewpoints and all should be respected. | |||
"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol. my goodness you have real problems with my viewpoint
why would I need to share my intimate life with my family I made no commitment to them to stay pure as the driven snow or as dirty as a mudpit.
cheaters commited to their partner and broke that promiseand no amount of justification can or will change that accept and move on
Married couples commited to each other too, many under the eyes of the church by way of vows, surely they become cheaters in your eyes too then. Or is commitment only when it suits your argument kola. ?eh? I will guess your attempting to say under the church "vows" if so why say them if you are just lying the ability is there to change words my vows suited us both as we both knew and understood qhat was said.
if you didnt agree with wwhat you were askedto agree too you shouldnt have agreed again as the one who broke the commitment your fault no one elses now give up I will never agree that cheating is fair or a lesser evil its weak and deplorable imo (yup judgemental and another word im sure you wont like)"Wow wow wow so you are seriously saying All couples on here who had a traditional church wedding with traditional vows have been lying at the altar if they are on Fab. WOW . You have 'meet couples' on your profile. Do you ask what there vows were before meeting them just in case they said forsaking ALL others which would include you my friend. Because that would make them lyers. Or is your MORAL ok if it means getting your leg over ? | |||
"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol. my goodness you have real problems with my viewpoint
why would I need to share my intimate life with my family I made no commitment to them to stay pure as the driven snow or as dirty as a mudpit.
cheaters commited to their partner and broke that promiseand no amount of justification can or will change that accept and move on
Married couples commited to each other too, many under the eyes of the church by way of vows, surely they become cheaters in your eyes too then. Or is commitment only when it suits your argument kola. ?eh? I will guess your attempting to say under the church "vows" if so why say them if you are just lying the ability is there to change words my vows suited us both as we both knew and understood qhat was said.
if you didnt agree with wwhat you were askedto agree too you shouldnt have agreed again as the one who broke the commitment your fault no one elses now give up I will never agree that cheating is fair or a lesser evil its weak and deplorable imo (yup judgemental and another word im sure you wont like)
Wow wow wow so you are seriously saying All couples on here who had a traditional church wedding with traditional vows have been lying at the altar if they are on Fab. WOW . You have 'meet couples' on your profile. Do you ask what there vows were before meeting them just in case they said forsaking ALL others which would include you my friend. Because that would make them lyers. Or is your MORAL ok if it means getting your leg over ?"no just those who make promises to their partner and lie and cheat are a problem and yes I meet cpls the ones who are actual cpls not just one or two cheats hooking up to increase their chances. its more the commitment that a partnership make ro each other by your own admission you broke it as it causes less harm. you dont like that I call bullshit on that move on others will accept you | |||
"When I read 'she does not know', my mind goes to the women that 'don't know but feel'... the ones that have that feeling in their guts that something is wrong but can't put a finger on it. The ones that find themselves in a catch22 and lose their confidence, get more depressed because of that feeling. Nope, they don't know but doesn't prevent them from feeling
Hi Max. My debate here is not to argue that cheating is a good thing or ok or something to brag about, my debate is that sometimes its a better option than the alternative. In your post you say the partner might have a feeling something is wrong or lose their confidence or end up depressed. My reply would be how would that person get on if the partner got up and walked, my guess would be no confidence and deppressed. Now i am not saying women cannot cope after separation or divorce , of course they can lol but for some may lose ALL thier confidence for a very long time . Again we could quote lots of different individual scenarios but my debate is with people that have a blanket viewpoint that all cheating is to quote " abhorrent " that is total judgemental viewpoint. Especially when it comes from singles on a swing site and touting themselves for casual sex. If these people FEEL they are doing nothing wrong on Fab why dont they tell there families , surely if they love thier families and thier families love them there cant be a problem telling family and friends , oh i spent a lovely evening with a guy/ girl i met on Fab last night. Obviously its because there families dont need to know. Just like some married men have casual sex and the people THEY love dont need to know. All circumstances are different but you have people on high horse who are so judgemental that they cant see past their own laughable morals . (On Fab) . Max i dont mean you by the way lol. Dont want beat up lol. my goodness you have real problems with my viewpoint
why would I need to share my intimate life with my family I made no commitment to them to stay pure as the driven snow or as dirty as a mudpit.
cheaters commited to their partner and broke that promiseand no amount of justification can or will change that accept and move on
Married couples commited to each other too, many under the eyes of the church by way of vows, surely they become cheaters in your eyes too then. Or is commitment only when it suits your argument kola. ?eh? I will guess your attempting to say under the church "vows" if so why say them if you are just lying the ability is there to change words my vows suited us both as we both knew and understood qhat was said.
if you didnt agree with wwhat you were askedto agree too you shouldnt have agreed again as the one who broke the commitment your fault no one elses now give up I will never agree that cheating is fair or a lesser evil its weak and deplorable imo (yup judgemental and another word im sure you wont like)
Wow wow wow so you are seriously saying All couples on here who had a traditional church wedding with traditional vows have been lying at the altar if they are on Fab. WOW . You have 'meet couples' on your profile. Do you ask what there vows were before meeting them just in case they said forsaking ALL others which would include you my friend. Because that would make them lyers. Or is your MORAL ok if it means getting your leg over ?no just those who make promises to their partner and lie and cheat are a problem and yes I meet cpls the ones who are actual cpls not just one or two cheats hooking up to increase their chances.
its more the commitment that a partnership make ro each other by your own admission you broke it as it causes less harm.
you dont like that I call bullshit on that move on others will accept you"So in your eyes lying is lying no excuses no exceptions end of. ? | |||
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