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over a year ago
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Don't get it as most people know about after8 and cjs. Personally if I owned any of the clubs I'd invite them down to the clubs so they know that no illegal activity takes place  |
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Although no criminality I wouldn’t be happy with this next door to me, different with clubs being out the way from families etc but I personally wouldn’t put up with a flat being used for sex parties most days etc. I’m sure people coming and going won’t give two monkeys about families etc living next door
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"Although no criminality I wouldn’t be happy with this next door to me, different with clubs being out the way from families etc but I personally wouldn’t put up with a flat being used for sex parties most days etc. I’m sure people coming and going won’t give two monkeys about families etc living next door
John "
A lot of couples profiles would seem to indicate that sex parties are a weekly occurrence  |
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"Although no criminality I wouldn’t be happy with this next door to me, different with clubs being out the way from families etc but I personally wouldn’t put up with a flat being used for sex parties most days etc. I’m sure people coming and going won’t give two monkeys about families etc living next door
John
A lot of couples profiles would seem to indicate that sex parties are a weekly occurrence "
That’s fine in the right environment and time but during the day in a flat surrounded by other flats? Same as others that are in a close surrounded by kids etc
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"Although no criminality I wouldn’t be happy with this next door to me, different with clubs being out the way from families etc but I personally wouldn’t put up with a flat being used for sex parties most days etc. I’m sure people coming and going won’t give two monkeys about families etc living next door
John "
Hmm good point. Especially if you have family.
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"Although no criminality I wouldn’t be happy with this next door to me, different with clubs being out the way from families etc but I personally wouldn’t put up with a flat being used for sex parties most days etc. I’m sure people coming and going won’t give two monkeys about families etc living next door
John
A lot of couples profiles would seem to indicate that sex parties are a weekly occurrence
That’s fine in the right environment and time but during the day in a flat surrounded by other flats? Same as others that are in a close surrounded by kids etc
John "
I think some swingers might have kids...and get this...they might even shag in the daytime |
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"Although no criminality I wouldn’t be happy with this next door to me, different with clubs being out the way from families etc but I personally wouldn’t put up with a flat being used for sex parties most days etc. I’m sure people coming and going won’t give two monkeys about families etc living next door
John "
Totally ageee although I didn't know after8 was in a flat in a close. I thought it was a club on its own  |
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"Although no criminality I wouldn’t be happy with this next door to me, different with clubs being out the way from families etc but I personally wouldn’t put up with a flat being used for sex parties most days etc. I’m sure people coming and going won’t give two monkeys about families etc living next door
John
A lot of couples profiles would seem to indicate that sex parties are a weekly occurrence
That’s fine in the right environment and time but during the day in a flat surrounded by other flats? Same as others that are in a close surrounded by kids etc
John
I think some swingers might have kids...and get this...they might even shag in the daytime "
Play it down all you want, two adults having fun during the day wouldn’t be noticed but a group of people having sex make a lot more noise... trust me we know. Enjoy you’re fishing
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Isn't that how cjs started tho?
Folk have got to start somewhere I suppose?
These kinda places will always get busted sooner or later hell how many times has cjs been in the papers !
Up to individuals to make up their own mind if the risk is worth taking |
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"Although no criminality I wouldn’t be happy with this next door to me, different with clubs being out the way from families etc but I personally wouldn’t put up with a flat being used for sex parties most days etc. I’m sure people coming and going won’t give two monkeys about families etc living next door
John
Totally ageee although I didn't know after8 was in a flat in a close. I thought it was a club on its own "
After 8 is a club not in a flat |
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The main problem I see is he’s renting the flat from the housing association and living somewhere else . The association will evict him so they can give the flat to someone that needs a place to stay . |
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"Although no criminality I wouldn’t be happy with this next door to me, different with clubs being out the way from families etc but I personally wouldn’t put up with a flat being used for sex parties most days etc. I’m sure people coming and going won’t give two monkeys about families etc living next door
John
Totally ageee although I didn't know after8 was in a flat in a close. I thought it was a club on its own
After 8 is a club not in a flat"
After 8 is a business premises below private flats I believe . |
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over a year ago
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"Its a building same as any other anything happening is behind closed doors.
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Except the flat concerned is let by the Glasgow Housing Association, and not for business or commercial use, so I expect eviction papers will be forthcoming, and if any benefits were paid on the address, there will be fraud investigations too. It's not as clear cut as consenting adults shagging behind closed doors. |
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"Although no criminality I wouldn’t be happy with this next door to me, different with clubs being out the way from families etc but I personally wouldn’t put up with a flat being used for sex parties most days etc. I’m sure people coming and going won’t give two monkeys about families etc living next door
John
Totally ageee although I didn't know after8 was in a flat in a close. I thought it was a club on its own
After 8 is a club not in a flat"
Being Edinburgh most businesses are part of a tenement building.
Problem with the shoebox is down to perception
" illegality of running a business from a flat"
Am sure there is a a fair few folk that work from home, regardless of the nature of the work. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sorry to read of a Police bust this week
Not surprisingly the police have stated no criminality taking place but it’s still worthy of a sensationalist headline
Pathetic
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So from the information offered here, it's far from a "pathetic" exposè, but in fact a very legitimate piece of journalism uncovering the illegal use of a home which needs to be put to a more purposeful use.
And you're complaining about this? 
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"Sorry to read of a Police bust this week
Not surprisingly the police have stated no criminality taking place but it’s still worthy of a sensationalist headline
Pathetic
So from the information offered here, it's far from a "pathetic" exposè, but in fact a very legitimate piece of journalism uncovering the illegal use of a home which needs to be put to a more purposeful use.
And you're complaining about this?
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"So again....if you were there during the raid what would happen? They did say no criminality....so just the red face?"
If you were really unlucky the photographer taking pics may image search online |
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"So again....if you were there during the raid what would happen? They did say no criminality....so just the red face?
If you were really unlucky the photographer taking pics may image search online "
Going by the photos on the webpage, the photographer was using a long lens from inside a vehicle, a reasonable distance away, so none of those leaving after the raid will have been aware. Good job the Sunday Mail isn't into bl@ckm@il.
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The thing to remember is that this was published by The Sunday Mail, who would happily run a half-page article about how Morrisons Scones have went up 5p and got smaller by 2g since 2012, and that it's shocking that your scone with jam and cream will cost you more.
They ran a double-page story almost 20 years ago about a seamstress that was catering to TV's and that it was evil. Did it stop her woring, or folks going to her? Nope.
Like others have said, this guy will get thrown out that flat, and it's doubtful that any other places listed as residences will accept him as a tenant.
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
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"So its not a brothel then?"
2 or more females makes it a brothel the fact they are taking £40 at the door. Dont tell me the females are happy for Steve to make £2000 a week on them lol.
Answer to the after eight and CJ's you will find they are registered business's and they have a sex licence. its prostitution end off.
We see stuff in the form all the time people slagging ladies on here using a certain escort site but the shoe box is ok. lol |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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Shoebox is not in a privately owned fiat. The flat is rented from Glasgow Housing Association. I think they may take this further as you’re not supposed to run a business from it and you are meant to be living in it.
Recently an AirBnB was busted as a brothel near the Clyde. I only knew about it as Fab friends live above it and they didn’t know anything about it.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Where it says no criminality took place appears to refer to the sex acts.
As I said before, there is the breach the tenancy agreement, possiblie fraudulent claims for housing benefit and council tax relief, and I think HMRC might want to talk to the owner about his "£2,000" per week income from the Shoebox, regarding tax evasion.
Three of those four issues would definitely be classed as criminality.
As for the women involved, HMRC might be interested in their earnings too. |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
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"And cjs is any different?
Payment is taken to walk through the door as is after 8?
It's up to any individual to choose to pay their money and go?"
The short and curlies is CJ's and the after eight club are registered business's paying their dues to the tax man so they are really pissed off that the Shoebox is paying their dues to the taxman ie Gangsters(the government) so Stevie better have books for what he has been earning for the taxman! Happy Shoeboxing Stevie! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ahhh so it's looks like it's a vendetta?
Christ jealousy of a swinging club?
Heard it all now  "
My money (all declared to the taxman) is on disgruntled neighbours going to the police and the press.
Even if the place was to shut today for good, there will still be people turning up looking for it, and making life a misery for the next tenant. My daughter had a similar scenario in her last flat, as the previous tenant had been dealing, and she was getting buzzed on the intercom all hours by his customers. She had to move within a couple of months again thanks to that. |
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over a year ago
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"I love the fact that the journalist will be sitting hoovering
up all the information on this thread for a prospective follow up piece. "
I'm pretty sure they will have visited CJ's and After 8 undercover already, and will know all they need to know as it is. Who knows, some of you might have met them. |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
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"Ahhh so it's looks like it's a vendetta?
Christ jealousy of a swinging club?
Heard it all now "
Its not a swinging club its a Flat! And the only Vendetta will be the HMRC wanting what they are due or he will get jailed. Only stating Facts! We know people who have refused to go to this venue due to not wanting to be pimped and it not being a registered business and before anyone jumps on the bandwagon here you can go online and see who is registered and who is not. The fact the shoebox was so openly advertised without being registered is total stupidity on his part. |
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"I love the fact that the journalist will be sitting hoovering
up all the information on this thread for a prospective follow up piece.
I'm pretty sure they will have visited CJ's and After 8 undercover already, and will know all they need to know as it is. Who knows, some of you might have met them."
Of course they will have, but look at all this extra free information they are getting. Any good journalist will be all over this.
They may even be contributing to the thread to keep the well topped up.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ahhh so it's looks like it's a vendetta?
Christ jealousy of a swinging club?
Heard it all now
Its not a swinging club its a Flat! And the only Vendetta will be the HMRC wanting what they are due or he will get jailed. Only stating Facts! We know people who have refused to go to this venue due to not wanting to be pimped and it not being a registered business and before anyone jumps on the bandwagon here you can go online and see who is registered and who is not. The fact the shoebox was so openly advertised without being registered is total stupidity on his part. "
by using the guys name and using the word him all the time it sure does come across as personal? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It says on the article that men paid money there is no mention of woman paying money. I booked a while ago for me and moon-light and I can confirm woman pay as well! so was this a different kind of event they raided or was the journalist clueless ? |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
Lothians |
"Ahhh so it's looks like it's a vendetta?
Christ jealousy of a swinging club?
Heard it all now
Its not a swinging club its a Flat! And the only Vendetta will be the HMRC wanting what they are due or he will get jailed. Only stating Facts! We know people who have refused to go to this venue due to not wanting to be pimped and it not being a registered business and before anyone jumps on the bandwagon here you can go online and see who is registered and who is not. The fact the shoebox was so openly advertised without being registered is total stupidity on his part. by using the guys name and using the word him all the time it sure does come across as personal?"
Considering the article is about Him.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/housing-association-property-raided-cops-11925095
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ahhh so it's looks like it's a vendetta?
Christ jealousy of a swinging club?
Heard it all now
Its not a swinging club its a Flat! And the only Vendetta will be the HMRC wanting what they are due or he will get jailed. Only stating Facts! We know people who have refused to go to this venue due to not wanting to be pimped and it not being a registered business and before anyone jumps on the bandwagon here you can go online and see who is registered and who is not. The fact the shoebox was so openly advertised without being registered is total stupidity on his part. by using the guys name and using the word him all the time it sure does come across as personal?"
No, it is simply that he is the guy that runs it. Or fronts it, possibly. |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
Lothians |
"Ahhh so it's looks like it's a vendetta?
Christ jealousy of a swinging club?
Heard it all now
Its not a swinging club its a Flat! And the only Vendetta will be the HMRC wanting what they are due or he will get jailed. Only stating Facts! We know people who have refused to go to this venue due to not wanting to be pimped and it not being a registered business and before anyone jumps on the bandwagon here you can go online and see who is registered and who is not. The fact the shoebox was so openly advertised without being registered is total stupidity on his part. by using the guys name and using the word him all the time it sure does come across as personal?
No, it is simply that he is the guy that runs it. Or fronts it, possibly. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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I’ve been to Cjs as the police left and as it’s a registered business they come (before parties or during the day) every now and again to check the place is within regulations. In Cjs, after8 and any club in England I’ve been to you pay you entrance fee and no play is guaranteed in the shoebox and some other parties your paying money and there will be hostesses so some may think they are entitled to sex with these ladies. But then the some will assume the same if they are invited to a private party in a couples house and are asked to pay a contribution. It seems to me it’s really a case of the shoebox’s location that’s the issue not the acts taking place as anyone who’s lived in a flat with a neighbour who has a lot of traffic knows the inconvenience it can cause.
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"It says on the article that men paid money there is no mention of woman paying money. I booked a while ago for me and moon-light and I can confirm woman pay as well! so was this a different kind of event they raided or was the journalist clueless ? "
It means you're a prostitute, if you've been there being female. According to their "investigator" anyway. Clueless sums it up nicely, with some added self fabricated nonsense to make the story a bit more exciting for the readers. Can't believe the amount of rubbish that paper comes out with |
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"It says on the article that men paid money there is no mention of woman paying money. I booked a while ago for me and moon-light and I can confirm woman pay as well! so was this a different kind of event they raided or was the journalist clueless ?
It means you're a prostitute, if you've been there being female. According to their "investigator" anyway. Clueless sums it up nicely, with some added self fabricated nonsense to make the story a bit more exciting for the readers. Can't believe the amount of rubbish that paper comes out with "
Or from some of the bitter folk on here!
Is a strange one
Is it a brothel? - No
Are folk paying the guy (Stevie) for sex - No
Otherwise plod would have had a great time, shutting the place down, taking names and reporting folk to the PF
It is a guy allowing a place (that me may rent or not) for folk to come along (and maybe have sex or not) for a contribution.
Does that constitute a business? Debatable
He provides drinks, nibbles (in some way), safe-keeping of clothes, towels (that hopefully get washed) and a safe environment where like-minded people can enjoy themselves.
Does that mean every fabber who invites folk round for a contribution based party is in business?
Is he in breach of a tenancy agreement? Really? Who cares?
Had it been a privately owned property would the sensationalism be any different?
I’ve been there a few times. I’ve spoken to the “greedy girls” who play there. I don’t know what - if any - share they get of the contributions. I’ve not had sex with either
Invariably, I’ve ended up playing with women or couples who have also paid their contribution and had a great time.
Wasn’t aware it had gotten so busy that security was employed for folk’s safety. Don’t think that’s a bad thing
I don’t doubt that CJs and After 8 are registered venues - don’t know what that entails but is none of my business
I recall CJ being “exposed” previously and also a lad who spent a fortune opening a club in Fox Street never being allowed to trade
Swingers need places to go. Why ridicule a guy who gave us one
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over a year ago
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I recollect a conversation where he said he owned the flat but I could have picked that up wrong
At the end of the day we all make choices to choose where we go and what we do as swingers
It might float some folks boat and it may not others but that’s life
If we all were the same life would be a tad boring if you don’t like the sound of the shoebox then don’t go -simple
Life is a rainbow .............yes I’m a bit chilled today lol ! |
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Im not convinced about the 2K a week.
Thats 50 punters at £40 a pop, from what i hear its tiny, does it really turn over 50 folk a week? Presumably woman pay less as well, so it'll be a more than 50 turnover to make 2K i think thats more sensationalism reporting  |
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"Im not convinced about the 2K a week.
Thats 50 punters at £40 a pop, from what i hear its tiny, does it really turn over 50 folk a week? Presumably woman pay less as well, so it'll be a more than 50 turnover to make 2K i think thats more sensationalism reporting "
Three parties per week with a 12 guests per party at £40 per head = £1440.
No so sensationalist or wide of the mark.
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What is it the “Box” haters are upset about?
It’s not the CJs clique that go?
It has not been classified as a brother or illegal?
That there may be some money to be made? Easy to replicate if that upset |
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I've not attended the shoebox and chances are I never will now as understandably the organiser will be keeping a low profile but I have no qualms paying an entrance fee. I have however paid deposit for socials organised by the clique on here and not been informed of details etc
To continually hound the guy for providing a service, deemed not be illegal by the police is very off |
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"Is he in breach of a tenancy agreement? Really? Who cares?"
Who cares? Possibly one of the 1,000’s of people that are being deprived of a social house because this selfish prick has taken one out of the stock to run a knocking shop.
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"Is he in breach of a tenancy agreement? Really? Who cares?
Who cares? Possibly one of the 1,000’s of people that are being deprived of a social house because this selfish prick has taken one out of the stock to run a knocking shop.
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Except the police have deemed it not to be a knock in shop |
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"Im not convinced about the 2K a week.
Thats 50 punters at £40 a pop, from what i hear its tiny, does it really turn over 50 folk a week? Presumably woman pay less as well, so it'll be a more than 50 turnover to make 2K i think thats more sensationalism reporting
Three parties per week with a 12 guests per party at £40 per head = £1440.
No so sensationalist or wide of the mark.
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Fair enough. I didnt realise there was 3 parties a week. |
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"It says on the article that men paid money there is no mention of woman paying money. I booked a while ago for me and moon-light and I can confirm woman pay as well! so was this a different kind of event they raided or was the journalist clueless ?
It means you're a prostitute, if you've been there being female. According to their "investigator" anyway. Clueless sums it up nicely, with some added self fabricated nonsense to make the story a bit more exciting for the readers. Can't believe the amount of rubbish that paper comes out with
Or from some of the bitter folk on here!
Is a strange one
Is it a brothel? - No
Are folk paying the guy (Stevie) for sex - No
Otherwise plod would have had a great time, shutting the place down, taking names and reporting folk to the PF
It is a guy allowing a place (that me may rent or not) for folk to come along (and maybe have sex or not) for a contribution.
Does that constitute a business? Debatable
He provides drinks, nibbles (in some way), safe-keeping of clothes, towels (that hopefully get washed) and a safe environment where like-minded people can enjoy themselves.
Does that mean every fabber who invites folk round for a contribution based party is in business?
Is he in breach of a tenancy agreement? Really? Who cares?
Had it been a privately owned property would the sensationalism be any different?
I’ve been there a few times. I’ve spoken to the “greedy girls” who play there. I don’t know what - if any - share they get of the contributions. I’ve not had sex with either
Invariably, I’ve ended up playing with women or couples who have also paid their contribution and had a great time.
Wasn’t aware it had gotten so busy that security was employed for folk’s safety. Don’t think that’s a bad thing
I don’t doubt that CJs and After 8 are registered venues - don’t know what that entails but is none of my business
I recall CJ being “exposed” previously and also a lad who spent a fortune opening a club in Fox Street never being allowed to trade
Swingers need places to go. Why ridicule a guy who gave us one
Don’t all want to spending fortunes in hotels or standing in fields!"
You try doing what he's doing, and you'll find out who cares, and about what.
Just because people enjoy the service, doesn't make it legal, right and proper. |
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"Although no criminality I wouldn’t be happy with this next door to me, different with clubs being out the way from families etc but I personally wouldn’t put up with a flat being used for sex parties most days etc. I’m sure people coming and going won’t give two monkeys about families etc living next door
John "
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I honestly cannot fathom why solo many are getting hot n bothered
If you don't like it..dont go?
Simples
As the comment about the housemillions of folk let out their "cooncil"houses
Get over it!!
If the police arnt knocking on his door or even if they are for that matter it's non of our business.
Ps...cjs used to run from a flat also...big deal it happens. |
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"I honestly cannot fathom why solo many are getting hot n bothered
If you don't like it..dont go?
Simples
As the comment about the housemillions of folk let out their "cooncil"houses
Get over it!!
If the police arnt knocking on his door or even if they are for that matter it's non of our business.
Ps...cjs used to run from a flat also...big deal it happens."
It's seen as competition which many will feel is a threat |
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"Im not convinced about the 2K a week.
Thats 50 punters at £40 a pop, from what i hear its tiny, does it really turn over 50 folk a week? Presumably woman pay less as well, so it'll be a more than 50 turnover to make 2K i think thats more sensationalism reporting
Three parties per week with a 12 guests per party at £40 per head = £1440.
No so sensationalist or wide of the mark.
Fair enough. I didnt realise there was 3 parties a week."
It says so in the article you labelled, "sensationalist".
Unless you never actually bothered to read it, of course. |
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over a year ago
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I suppose its hard for anyone to make a comment about the club if they have never been. Its best just to say your view of what you think of it being raided, if you have never been.
I don't like it being raided but there musta been a complaint from someone for it to have been put under the attention of the police. With the papers finding out they are obviously gonna try and make it into a news worthy story  |
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I read the article and personally it doesn’t make sense. The fact they have already said that people pay to go and that the girls are working then that would make it illegal. therefore it obviously couldn’t be proved the girls are paid if The police stated there was nothing illegal.
You would think the journalist would have checked out the law on it before publishing the article because as far as I am aware it is not illegal to buy or sell sex unless it is outdoors. It is only illegal indoors if there is more than one paid person as it is then classed as an illegal brothel |
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"What is it the “Box” haters are upset about?
It’s not the CJs clique that go?
It has not been classified as a brother or illegal?
That there may be some money to be made? Easy to replicate if that upset"
You try doing what this guy was doing, and see how you get on.
I am not a hater if anything or anyone, and have never been to CJ's, and I'm not in a clique, if one actually exists. I have no axe to grind with anyone doing anything legal. The authorities will grind their own axes with anyone doing anything that isn't legal.
Those trying to defend the shoebox will find it is indefensible, and they'll have to find other (legal) ways to get their jollies. |
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"Im not convinced about the 2K a week.
Thats 50 punters at £40 a pop, from what i hear its tiny, does it really turn over 50 folk a week? Presumably woman pay less as well, so it'll be a more than 50 turnover to make 2K i think thats more sensationalism reporting
Three parties per week with a 12 guests per party at £40 per head = £1440.
No so sensationalist or wide of the mark.
Fair enough. I didnt realise there was 3 parties a week.
It says so in the article you labelled, "sensationalist".
Unless you never actually bothered to read it, of course. "
No i didnt read it, i was sent some screenshots on whatsapp by another fabber, i read them...
I want bothered enough to go search out the article, as i got the gyst. The shoebox was raided, not personally that bothered. Dont go, dont intend to... have no issue with the place or anyone who goes... when you corrected me i said fair enough i didnt realise...
I do hope thats clear enough for you |
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You try doing what this guy was doing, and see how you get on.
I am not a hater if anything or anyone, and have never been to CJ's, and I'm not in a clique, if one actually exists. I have no axe to grind with anyone doing anything legal. The authorities will grind their own axes with anyone doing anything that isn't legal.
Those trying to defend the shoebox will find it is indefensible, and they'll have to find other (legal) ways to get their jollies."
You've obviously not read the article. The police are happy that no illegal activity has taken place |
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"Im not convinced about the 2K a week.
Thats 50 punters at £40 a pop, from what i hear its tiny, does it really turn over 50 folk a week? Presumably woman pay less as well, so it'll be a more than 50 turnover to make 2K i think thats more sensationalism reporting
Three parties per week with a 12 guests per party at £40 per head = £1440.
No so sensationalist or wide of the mark.
Fair enough. I didnt realise there was 3 parties a week.
It says so in the article you labelled, "sensationalist".
Unless you never actually bothered to read it, of course.
No i didnt read it, i was sent some screenshots on whatsapp by another fabber, i read them...
I want bothered enough to go search out the article, as i got the gyst. The shoebox was raided, not personally that bothered. Dont go, dont intend to... have no issue with the place or anyone who goes... when you corrected me i said fair enough i didnt realise...
I do hope thats clear enough for you "
Yes sir! "Sensationalistly" clear.
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"It says on the article that men paid money there is no mention of woman paying money. I booked a while ago for me and moon-light and I can confirm woman pay as well! so was this a different kind of event they raided or was the journalist clueless ?
It means you're a prostitute, if you've been there being female. According to their "investigator" anyway. Clueless sums it up nicely, with some added self fabricated nonsense to make the story a bit more exciting for the readers. Can't believe the amount of rubbish that paper comes out with
Or from some of the bitter folk on here!
Is a strange one
Is it a brothel? - No
Are folk paying the guy (Stevie) for sex - No
Otherwise plod would have had a great time, shutting the place down, taking names and reporting folk to the PF
It is a guy allowing a place (that me may rent or not) for folk to come along (and maybe have sex or not) for a contribution.
Does that constitute a business? Debatable
He provides drinks, nibbles (in some way), safe-keeping of clothes, towels (that hopefully get washed) and a safe environment where like-minded people can enjoy themselves.
Does that mean every fabber who invites folk round for a contribution based party is in business?
Is he in breach of a tenancy agreement? Really? Who cares?
Had it been a privately owned property would the sensationalism be any different?
I’ve been there a few times. I’ve spoken to the “greedy girls” who play there. I don’t know what - if any - share they get of the contributions. I’ve not had sex with either
Invariably, I’ve ended up playing with women or couples who have also paid their contribution and had a great time.
Wasn’t aware it had gotten so busy that security was employed for folk’s safety. Don’t think that’s a bad thing
I don’t doubt that CJs and After 8 are registered venues - don’t know what that entails but is none of my business
I recall CJ being “exposed” previously and also a lad who spent a fortune opening a club in Fox Street never being allowed to trade
Swingers need places to go. Why ridicule a guy who gave us one
Don’t all want to spending fortunes in hotels or standing in fields!
You try doing what he's doing, and you'll find out who cares, and about what.
Just because people enjoy the service, doesn't make it legal, right and proper."
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"Is he in breach of a tenancy agreement? Really? Who cares?
Who cares? Possibly one of the 1,000’s of people that are being deprived of a social house because this selfish prick has taken one out of the stock to run a knocking shop.
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"Is he in breach of a tenancy agreement? Really? Who cares?
Who cares? Possibly one of the 1,000’s of people that are being deprived of a social house because this selfish prick has taken one out of the stock to run a knocking shop.
And therein lies the solution to the Glasgow Homelessness problem. Crucify him! FFS!"
Where exactly did I say that? Learn to read and comprehend what is written. |
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I'm pretty sure the girls that were there were getting a share each of the 40 quid that was spent. I wouldnt like a bunch of hookers working in my stree, unless they were good looking hookers but I have a feeling the girls at the shoebox would have been hideous. |
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You try doing what this guy was doing, and see how you get on.
I am not a hater if anything or anyone, and have never been to CJ's, and I'm not in a clique, if one actually exists. I have no axe to grind with anyone doing anything legal. The authorities will grind their own axes with anyone doing anything that isn't legal.
Those trying to defend the shoebox will find it is indefensible, and they'll have to find other (legal) ways to get their jollies.
You've obviously not read the article. The police are happy that no illegal activity has taken place"
And you haven't read the whole thread, or you'd see that there is the possibility of prosecution on matters not related to sex. Try not to be so selective in what you take in. |
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Reading the bollocky drivel its clear shoebox is guilty as sin....... or folk are making things up like the newspapers everything stated within this thread have been leveled at every club in scotland (yup inc the paid prostitutes at venues) in scotland the club scene suffers from the fanboy/girl attacking anything thats not their fav club.folk want to level taxation at shoebox. Lol I bet the rest are as guilty but that cant be said about the fav clubs folk get all up in arms about it |
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"I thought the pipeworks was a gay sauna "
Yeah. But as far as im aware it shares alot of similarities?
Pay at door
No gaurantee play
Sex does happen
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You try doing what this guy was doing, and see how you get on.
I am not a hater if anything or anyone, and have never been to CJ's, and I'm not in a clique, if one actually exists. I have no axe to grind with anyone doing anything legal. The authorities will grind their own axes with anyone doing anything that isn't legal.
Those trying to defend the shoebox will find it is indefensible, and they'll have to find other (legal) ways to get their jollies.
You've obviously not read the article. The police are happy that no illegal activity has taken place
And you haven't read the whole thread, or you'd see that there is the possibility of prosecution on matters not related to sex. Try not to be so selective in what you take in."
Prosecution in relation to what?
Allowing people to have sex in your house - not criminal
Taking contributions for a party - not criminal
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You try doing what this guy was doing, and see how you get on.
I am not a hater if anything or anyone, and have never been to CJ's, and I'm not in a clique, if one actually exists. I have no axe to grind with anyone doing anything legal. The authorities will grind their own axes with anyone doing anything that isn't legal.
Those trying to defend the shoebox will find it is indefensible, and they'll have to find other (legal) ways to get their jollies.
You've obviously not read the article. The police are happy that no illegal activity has taken place
And you haven't read the whole thread, or you'd see that there is the possibility of prosecution on matters not related to sex. Try not to be so selective in what you take in.
Prosecution in relation to what?
Allowing people to have sex in your house - not criminal
Taking contributions for a party - not criminal
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You try doing what this guy was doing, and see how you get on.
I am not a hater if anything or anyone, and have never been to CJ's, and I'm not in a clique, if one actually exists. I have no axe to grind with anyone doing anything legal. The authorities will grind their own axes with anyone doing anything that isn't legal.
Those trying to defend the shoebox will find it is indefensible, and they'll have to find other (legal) ways to get their jollies.
You've obviously not read the article. The police are happy that no illegal activity has taken place
And you haven't read the whole thread, or you'd see that there is the possibility of prosecution on matters not related to sex. Try not to be so selective in what you take in.
Prosecution in relation to what?
Allowing people to have sex in your house - not criminal
Taking contributions for a party - not criminal
They mean the hmrc part and tax and housing agreements"
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I live in a block of flats, I have visited cjs and after 8. I'm sorry but if there was an illegal sex club set up in my block then I'd sure as hell report the place!
If I'm correct then they have 3 permanent ladies at shoebox. Expensive to attend 3 days a week isn't it for a single female? |
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"I live in a block of flats, I have visited cjs and after 8. I'm sorry but if there was an illegal sex club set up in my block then I'd sure as hell report the place!
If I'm correct then they have 3 permanent ladies at shoebox. Expensive to attend 3 days a week isn't it for a single female? "
Imo expensive full stop haha |
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over a year ago
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"I'm pretty sure the girls that were there were getting a share each of the 40 quid that was spent. I wouldnt like a bunch of hookers working in my stree, unless they were good looking hookers but I have a feeling the girls at the shoebox would have been hideous. "
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over a year ago
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"I'm pretty sure the girls that were there were getting a share each of the 40 quid that was spent. I wouldnt like a bunch of hookers working in my stree, unless they were good looking hookers but I have a feeling the girls at the shoebox would have been hideous.
That’s an awful thing to say. Why would they be hideous? "
What makes you so sure the girls are getting paid ?
Could it be these girls actually like sex or like lineups as thats thier choice of fun , what options did you tick on your fab profile.
And i agree with Falcon , what right do you have to slate women you dont even know ? |
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"I'm pretty sure the girls that were there were getting a share each of the 40 quid that was spent. I wouldnt like a bunch of hookers working in my stree, unless they were good looking hookers but I have a feeling the girls at the shoebox would have been hideous. "
Well the last time I was there which was a few years ago now the ladies were far from hideous .............
Some of the men? Well let’s just say not to my taste .......... |
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"I'm pretty sure the girls that were there were getting a share each of the 40 quid that was spent. I wouldnt like a bunch of hookers working in my stree, unless they were good looking hookers but I have a feeling the girls at the shoebox would have been hideous.
Well the last time I was there which was a few years ago now the ladies were far from hideous .............
Some of the men? Well let’s just say not to my taste .........."
The girls have always been lovely |
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On meets today it has always been two girls offering a party, no bloke at all. I saw contributions asked but fuck never thought for a minute it would be £40! That must be a buffet with caviar and truffles. I thought the chics were just greedy girls, at £40 now I know they are lol. |
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"The main problem I see is he’s renting the flat from the housing association and living somewhere else . The association will evict him so they can give the flat to someone that needs a place to stay . "
If this is the case, then rightly so |
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This thread makes me laugh. What happened to innocent till proven guilty. Your all fabricating stuff about something you know nothing about.
How do you know if he's just renting the flat? He could have bought it. You don't know.
How do you know if its registered?
How do you know about what he pays in taxes?
None of you know the poor guy and what he's going through?
If only everyone was as squeeky clean as everyone on this site.
Why we all here if it wasn't involving sex?
Give the guy a break!
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In the eyes of the law it’s not illegal to be paid for sex, to advertise (prostitute) you’re wanting paid for sex is illegal, if you’re asking for a contribution towards expenses - rent, electricity, cleaning, condoms, food and drink etc that’s perfectly legal and there’s no guarantee of sex either so it’s just like paying into any club that charges on the door
Applying for a social housing property when you have no intention of living in it is in breach of tenancy and for many can be seen as morally wrong
Neighbours particularly those with children may have fears about safety etc understandable not knowing who’s coming or going but from what I understand the timings of the parties are when children would mostly be at school and not privy to anything
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"This thread makes me laugh. What happened to innocent till proven guilty. Your all fabricating stuff about something you know nothing about.
How do you know if he's just renting the flat? He could have bought it. You don't know.
How do you know if its registered?
How do you know about what he pays in taxes?
None of you know the poor guy and what he's going through?
If only everyone was as squeeky clean as everyone on this site.
Why we all here if it wasn't involving sex?
Give the guy a break!
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I said;
If this is the case, then rightly so
do you have a problem with that comment? |
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A lot of people seem to know an awful lot about this guy... only thing that would concern me would be maybe the noise and all the coming and going. Someone said kids would be at school, ye if they are of school age... people do have younger kids.
As for being registered and pay in taxes, who actually knows for sure n who cares, I’m sure if he’s not he won’t be he first or last person to earn money on the side.
I for one don’t believe everything I read in the papers n I’m sure a lot of you are the same
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Sex is and always will be a human need. Can you imagine going without sex for the rest of your life?. Therefore i take my hat off to these ladies for providing their services. I have spoken to many men who have been the shoebox on a regular basis and enjoyed their visits. The housing issue is a different issue which i cant comment on but i do hope the girls get something sorted and continue to do what they do well. |
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"Sex is and always will be a human need. Can you imagine going without sex for the rest of your life?. Therefore i take my hat off to these ladies for providing their services. I have spoken to many men who have been the shoebox on a regular basis and enjoyed their visits. The housing issue is a different issue which i cant comment on but i do hope the girls get something sorted and continue to do what they do well."
well said bluebell xx
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In my mind its all double standards
The paper that ran with the story comes across as self righteous and holier than thou with this article but they will not think twice about salaciously commenting on some female celebrity wearing something revealing and printing a quarter page photo of the said celebrity.
Whether the story is indeed a story is another matter. Yes it was a sex party in a private residence. The fact that the residence is rented from GHA housing stock may suggest that it is in the public interest. If there was no contribution made to gain admittance then I don't think legally the search warrant would have been issued. It is because a contribution to gain admittance is widely known that the warrant was issued. The fact that the hacks were there tell us more about the relationship between the police and the press involving confidentiality than anything else.
The irony is that this crusade by the hacks to safeguard our morals could be better served if they directed their lenses at the drug dealers that operate in this city. I wont hold my breath for that one as its far easier to expose a small group of consenting individuals looking for a good time
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"Im not convinced about the 2K a week.
Thats 50 punters at £40 a pop, from what i hear its tiny, does it really turn over 50 folk a week? Presumably woman pay less as well, so it'll be a more than 50 turnover to make 2K i think thats more sensationalism reporting
Three parties per week with a 12 guests per party at £40 per head = £1440.
No so sensationalist or wide of the mark.
Fair enough. I didnt realise there was 3 parties a week.
It says so in the article you labelled, "sensationalist".
Unless you never actually bothered to read it, of course.
No i didnt read it, i was sent some screenshots on whatsapp by another fabber, i read them...
I want bothered enough to go search out the article, as i got the gyst. The shoebox was raided, not personally that bothered. Dont go, dont intend to... have no issue with the place or anyone who goes... when you corrected me i said fair enough i didnt realise...
I do hope thats clear enough for you
Yes sir! "Sensationalistly" clear.
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3 parties a week with 12 guests paying £40 equals £1440.. less the fact women pay less and its strongly alleged actually get a cut doesn't add up to £2000.... just saying like 
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"Im not convinced about the 2K a week.
Thats 50 punters at £40 a pop, from what i hear its tiny, does it really turn over 50 folk a week? Presumably woman pay less as well, so it'll be a more than 50 turnover to make 2K i think thats more sensationalism reporting
Three parties per week with a 12 guests per party at £40 per head = £1440.
No so sensationalist or wide of the mark.
Fair enough. I didnt realise there was 3 parties a week.
It says so in the article you labelled, "sensationalist".
Unless you never actually bothered to read it, of course.
No i didnt read it, i was sent some screenshots on whatsapp by another fabber, i read them...
I want bothered enough to go search out the article, as i got the gyst. The shoebox was raided, not personally that bothered. Dont go, dont intend to... have no issue with the place or anyone who goes... when you corrected me i said fair enough i didnt realise...
I do hope thats clear enough for you
Yes sir! "Sensationalistly" clear.
3 parties a week with 12 guests paying £40 equals £1440.. less the fact women pay less and its strongly alleged actually get a cut doesn't add up to £2000.... just saying like
Trip Trap! "
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"Im not convinced about the 2K a week.
Thats 50 punters at £40 a pop, from what i hear its tiny, does it really turn over 50 folk a week? Presumably woman pay less as well, so it'll be a more than 50 turnover to make 2K i think thats more sensationalism reporting
Three parties per week with a 12 guests per party at £40 per head = £1440.
No so sensationalist or wide of the mark.
Fair enough. I didnt realise there was 3 parties a week.
It says so in the article you labelled, "sensationalist".
Unless you never actually bothered to read it, of course.
No i didnt read it, i was sent some screenshots on whatsapp by another fabber, i read them...
I want bothered enough to go search out the article, as i got the gyst. The shoebox was raided, not personally that bothered. Dont go, dont intend to... have no issue with the place or anyone who goes... when you corrected me i said fair enough i didnt realise...
I do hope thats clear enough for you
Yes sir! "Sensationalistly" clear.
3 parties a week with 12 guests paying £40 equals £1440.. less the fact women pay less and its strongly alleged actually get a cut doesn't add up to £2000.... just saying like
Trip Trap!
For taking a day, I'd have hoped for a better comeback. But as you said, you're "personally not that bothered" about the whole thing. "
correct 'i'm not that bothered' hence why this was the first of Me picking up on the threads 'outstanding' developments, I had plants to water and other important stuff to contend with. This was the first of Me looking back over the thread, but then again It's not me that's the troll  x |
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"Im not convinced about the 2K a week.
Thats 50 punters at £40 a pop, from what i hear its tiny, does it really turn over 50 folk a week? Presumably woman pay less as well, so it'll be a more than 50 turnover to make 2K i think thats more sensationalism reporting
Three parties per week with a 12 guests per party at £40 per head = £1440.
No so sensationalist or wide of the mark.
Fair enough. I didnt realise there was 3 parties a week.
It says so in the article you labelled, "sensationalist".
Unless you never actually bothered to read it, of course.
No i didnt read it, i was sent some screenshots on whatsapp by another fabber, i read them...
I want bothered enough to go search out the article, as i got the gyst. The shoebox was raided, not personally that bothered. Dont go, dont intend to... have no issue with the place or anyone who goes... when you corrected me i said fair enough i didnt realise...
I do hope thats clear enough for you
Yes sir! "Sensationalistly" clear.
3 parties a week with 12 guests paying £40 equals £1440.. less the fact women pay less and its strongly alleged actually get a cut doesn't add up to £2000.... just saying like
Trip Trap!
For taking a day, I'd have hoped for a better comeback. But as you said, you're "personally not that bothered" about the whole thing.
correct 'i'm not that bothered' hence why this was the first of Me picking up on the threads 'outstanding' developments, I had plants to water and other important stuff to contend with. This was the first of Me looking back over the thread, but then again It's not me that's the troll x"
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"Im not convinced about the 2K a week.
Thats 50 punters at £40 a pop, from what i hear its tiny, does it really turn over 50 folk a week? Presumably woman pay less as well, so it'll be a more than 50 turnover to make 2K i think thats more sensationalism reporting
Three parties per week with a 12 guests per party at £40 per head = £1440.
No so sensationalist or wide of the mark.
Fair enough. I didnt realise there was 3 parties a week.
It says so in the article you labelled, "sensationalist".
Unless you never actually bothered to read it, of course.
No i didnt read it, i was sent some screenshots on whatsapp by another fabber, i read them...
I want bothered enough to go search out the article, as i got the gyst. The shoebox was raided, not personally that bothered. Dont go, dont intend to... have no issue with the place or anyone who goes... when you corrected me i said fair enough i didnt realise...
I do hope thats clear enough for you
Yes sir! "Sensationalistly" clear.
3 parties a week with 12 guests paying £40 equals £1440.. less the fact women pay less and its strongly alleged actually get a cut doesn't add up to £2000.... just saying like
Trip Trap!
For taking a day, I'd have hoped for a better comeback. But as you said, you're "personally not that bothered" about the whole thing.
correct 'i'm not that bothered' hence why this was the first of Me picking up on the threads 'outstanding' developments, I had plants to water and other important stuff to contend with. This was the first of Me looking back over the thread, but then again It's not me that's the troll x
More a smurph "
aye... and who are you?... "garglewell"?  x
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"Im not convinced about the 2K a week.
Thats 50 punters at £40 a pop, from what i hear its tiny, does it really turn over 50 folk a week? Presumably woman pay less as well, so it'll be a more than 50 turnover to make 2K i think thats more sensationalism reporting
Three parties per week with a 12 guests per party at £40 per head = £1440.
No so sensationalist or wide of the mark.
Fair enough. I didnt realise there was 3 parties a week.
It says so in the article you labelled, "sensationalist".
Unless you never actually bothered to read it, of course.
No i didnt read it, i was sent some screenshots on whatsapp by another fabber, i read them...
I want bothered enough to go search out the article, as i got the gyst. The shoebox was raided, not personally that bothered. Dont go, dont intend to... have no issue with the place or anyone who goes... when you corrected me i said fair enough i didnt realise...
I do hope thats clear enough for you
Yes sir! "Sensationalistly" clear.
3 parties a week with 12 guests paying £40 equals £1440.. less the fact women pay less and its strongly alleged actually get a cut doesn't add up to £2000.... just saying like
Trip Trap!
For taking a day, I'd have hoped for a better comeback. But as you said, you're "personally not that bothered" about the whole thing.
correct 'i'm not that bothered' hence why this was the first of Me picking up on the threads 'outstanding' developments, I had plants to water and other important stuff to contend with. This was the first of Me looking back over the thread, but then again It's not me that's the troll x"
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over a year ago
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Going back to OP original statement.
It's not really pathetic, it's a human interest story. You may see this as liberated adults doing what they are perfectly entitled to do in privacy but others less forward in their thinking will think it's a bunch of skanks being shagged rotten by a queue of sad dirty old /young men.
Public opinion has still got a long way to go.....
No offence: just saying |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Doesn't surprise.me.in the least that a story concerning the Shoebox has been in the papers - these so called 'scandals' are always considered newsworthy items. What surprises.me is that it wasn't in the papers months ago. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lest be honest here. Greedy girls events made it a knocking shop.After 8 don't have girls on tap it's a club for swingers. "
How does that equate with greedy girls events in other clubs? (Devils' Advocate time) |
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"Lest be honest here. Greedy girls events made it a knocking shop.After 8 don't have girls on tap it's a club for swingers.
How does that equate with greedy girls events in other clubs? (Devils' Advocate time)"
yeah i was wondering the same. Greedy girls do it for fun and not for money. |
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"Lest be honest here. Greedy girls events made it a knocking shop.After 8 don't have girls on tap it's a club for swingers.
How does that equate with greedy girls events in other clubs? (Devils' Advocate time) yeah i was wondering the same. Greedy girls do it for fun and not for money."
I assume that GG's at other places don't pay admission, and don't get a cut of the door takings. IF, and I do stress IF, they do at the shoebox, then it does come back to the tax issue, and nothing else.
On a side note, I hope for the sake of the GHA cleaning crew that goes in after he's evicted, that the flat has laminate flooring. I wouldn't like to lifting sticky carpets out of there... |
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when she reads that last post!