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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Do you support charities that involve the testing & research on Animals??
and if so, how do you feel regarding this
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An animal test is any scientific experiment or test in which a live animal is forced to undergo something that is likely to cause them pain, suffering, distress or lasting harm.
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To name a few charities that involve testing, some are listed below;
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Cancer Research UK; Diabetes UK, Diabetes Research & Wellness Foundation; DebRA; Deafness Research UK; Cystic Fibrosis Trust; The Cure Parkinson’s Trust; Crohn’s and Colitis UK; Coeliac UK (formerly Coeliac Society); Children’s Liver Disease Foundation; Children With Cancer UK (formerly Children With Leukaemia); British Skin Foundation; British Tinnitus Association; British Lung Foundation; British Liver Trust
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actually there are far too many in the UK to list them all
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The majority use live animals such as dogs, cats, rabbits, horses, cows, pigs, sheep and basically every animal you can think off
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heart breaking really
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An animal test is any scientific experiment or test in which a live animal is forced to undergo something that is likely to cause them pain, suffering, distress or lasting harm.
No this is not what animal testing means and its very unfair to insinuate that it does every and all precations are done beforehand to make sure an animal does not go through pain and suffering.
before most products get to the animal testing stage it is virtually guaranteed as safe .
this from someone who doesnt agree with animal testing you want new lup gloss test it yourself. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a beagle owner I try not to as most dogs used are beagles
Could actually cry thinking about it
But...unless you delve right into the facts you really can't tell who does what
And I'm sorry to say for me..ignorence is bliss or I wouldn't be able to sleep thinking about it |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"An animal test is any scientific experiment or test in which a live animal is forced to undergo something that is likely to cause them pain, suffering, distress or lasting harm.
No this is not what animal testing means and its very unfair to insinuate that it does every and all precations are done beforehand to make sure an animal does not go through pain and suffering.
before most products get to the animal testing stage it is virtually guaranteed as safe .
this from someone who doesnt agree with animal testing you want new lup gloss test it yourself."
If they are virtually guaranteed safe, then why the need to test on animals
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I think if you research more, you will then realise what actually goes on |
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"An animal test is any scientific experiment or test in which a live animal is forced to undergo something that is likely to cause them pain, suffering, distress or lasting harm.
No this is not what animal testing means and its very unfair to insinuate that it does every and all precations are done beforehand to make sure an animal does not go through pain and suffering.
before most products get to the animal testing stage it is virtually guaranteed as safe .
this from someone who doesnt agree with animal testing you want new lup gloss test it yourself.
If they are virtually guaranteed safe, then why the need to test on animals
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I think if you research more, you will then realise what actually goes on"
perhaps I have done countless hrs researching. Perhaps I have family that work in this field.
Animal testing is the very last stage before human trials (drug cosmetic food source). They all go through rigorous testing beforehand to make sure they are safe but still need "live testing" to prove correct. the main reason for it is ........yup you guessed we the consumer want it as someone alluded to above ignorance is bliss it is also the cause of much mis-information.
what you appear to be trying to put forward iswhat happened in the 70/80s mercifully things have moved on since then.
Unfoetunatly there are cases where animals suffer but every precaution is taken to give these animals a solid life (a poorly animal really wouldnt be a good test subject) you may also find alot of companys only have the animals for testing for a relativly short time before moving them on to have a more suitable life. As with everything there are exceptions to the rules (products made overseas where stringent laws are not in place) the onus is on us to let our voice be heard with closed purse and wallet |
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I (Bob) don't think we should ever test beauty products on animals, but frankly, if a few rabbits have to die so my kids get medicine they need to save them, fine.
I regularly kill and eat animals. There is no innocence in being a human, so no point in pretending. Those who do are just burying their heads in the sand.
And Doyle bramhall 11 is awesome. On that we agree. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I (Bob) don't think we should ever test beauty products on animals, but frankly, if a few rabbits have to die so my kids get medicine they need to save them, fine.
I regularly kill and eat animals. There is no innocence in being a human, so no point in pretending. Those who do are just burying their heads in the sand.
And Doyle bramhall 11 is awesome. On that we agree."
If it is animal testing for the purpose of Chanel to roll out some new mascara then no that can never be justified. If it is animal testing for the purposes of advancing the treatment of Parkinsons, Motor Neurone Disease, Hodgkins Lymphoma then animal testing is in my opinion a necessary evil! |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
outside your bedroom window ;-) |
"I (Bob) don't think we should ever test beauty products on animals, but frankly, if a few rabbits have to die so my kids get medicine they need to save them, fine.
I regularly kill and eat animals. There is no innocence in being a human, so no point in pretending. Those who do are just burying their heads in the sand.
And Doyle bramhall 11 is awesome. On that we agree."
women and men wear make up and whilst its not a great idea Id rather see an animal prove its safe before I see a person disfigured.
If someone has an alternative then Ill support it until then Ill undrstand why it has to be do.
Life aint a bed of roses and easy choices all the time Im afriad. |
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I don't donate to any charity that tests on animals. Same as I wear make up that's not tested on animals.
I even refused a prescription drug as I found out it was tested on animals. For me it's just not an option
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't donate to any charity that tests on animals. Same as I wear make up that's not tested on animals.
I even refused a prescription drug as I found out it was tested on animals. For me it's just not an option
Mrs"
well said lady, wish there were more people like you, it would make the world a better place |
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"Yes, yes. All very nice.
But what exactly does this have to do with swinging?  "
The forum is for anything it doesn’t have to be related to swinging.
Are you going to post this on all other non swinging related threads or just this one to look controversial because of the topic?? |
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"Do you support charities that involve the testing & research on Animals??
and if so, how do you feel regarding this
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An animal test is any scientific experiment or test in which a live animal is forced to undergo something that is likely to cause them pain, suffering, distress or lasting harm.
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To name a few charities that involve testing, some are listed below;
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Cancer Research UK; Diabetes UK, Diabetes Research & Wellness Foundation; DebRA; Deafness Research UK; Cystic Fibrosis Trust; The Cure Parkinson’s Trust; Crohn’s and Colitis UK; Coeliac UK (formerly Coeliac Society); Children’s Liver Disease Foundation; Children With Cancer UK (formerly Children With Leukaemia); British Skin Foundation; British Tinnitus Association; British Lung Foundation; British Liver Trust
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actually there are far too many in the UK to list them all
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The majority use live animals such as dogs, cats, rabbits, horses, cows, pigs, sheep and basically every animal you can think off
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heart breaking really
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Be useful if you checked your facts properly - the majority of animal experiments in the UK were on mice but zebra fish are also being used increasingly in genetics studies. All experiments on vertebrates in the UK are licenced through the Home Office. Any procedure likely to cause more than mild stress is heavily regulated. Licence holders also have to take full account of the 3Rs - reduce, replace and refine before being granted a licence. It is entirely your choice whether you support these charities listed or not but please do not just spam out misleading mis-information.
Here is the link for the proper data and facts...
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/627284/annual-statistics-scientific-procedures-living-animals-2016.pdf |
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Yea it's a difficult issue. I'm veggie and have been for 30 years and have campaigned against animal testing for longer.
In my opinion no need for animal testing on anything.
Glad we are doing much better in uk than we were re testing cosmetics, toiletries, cleaning products.
However as the law currently stands ALL products sold for medical use must be tested. The regulations are much more stringent than they were in terms of not only reducing suffering for the animals but also the amount of animals tested on, how they are kept and treated and at what stage testing takes place, it was MUCH worse in the past.
The other issue is that animal testing doesn't even always predict or prevent harm in humans and has even meant on the odd occasion that medicines that could have been very helpful have been deemed useless or harmful.
Apologies I used to have this all memorised quite well but I'm getting older. I do remember that thalidomide was one of those extensively tested (as it was to be given to pregnant mothers) and we all know what happened there, because at the end of the day humans, dogs, rats, mice, cats even monkeys may have similar biology to each other but they are NOT exactly the same.
There are numerous other ways to test medicines now that don't involve animal testing that are not only kinder but far more reliable - but they're more expensive and more difficult so they don't get proper funding for development.
And yes I'm a hypocrit because while I do all I can not to buy products that are animal tested I do take and use drugs for chronic conditions, without some of them I could become extremely ill even die (eg if I didn't use my asthma inhaler).
But I keep campaigning and answering on forums and hoping one day it will no longer happen. |
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Sorry - that said no I don't donate to/support medical charities that test on animals.
There are other ethical issues with the bigger charities too, eg donations being used mainly to pay large executive salaries, expensive advertising costs etc which I also disagree with.
I tend to support smaller more local charities that provide support in ways other than causing suffering, eg local hospice, Calum's cabin, local animal shelters...
And I support non medical charities that have meaning for me. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"This one particular to be honest cos its a blatant cut and paste job from Facebook. "
Your full of shit, every company listed was picked out after a good search, bet you £1000 you will not find this "cut & paste" on facebook as this was written from the heart
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This thread was simply to open peoples eyes that the charities they pay into carry out some research on animals, and when you look deeper into it, you then realise how cruel some of this research is, you can accept this and ignore, burry your head in the sand, or you can do something about it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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This thread was simply to open peoples eyes that the charities they pay into carry out some research on animals, and when you look deeper into it, you then realise how cruel some of this research is, you can accept this and ignore, burry your head in the sand, or you can do something about it"
Or we can accept it for the necessary evil it is and carry on regardless  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This one particular to be honest cos its a blatant cut and paste job from Facebook.
Your full of shit, every company listed was picked out after a good search, bet you £1000 you will not find this "cut & paste" on facebook as this was written from the heart
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This thread was simply to open peoples eyes that the charities they pay into carry out some research on animals, and when you look deeper into it, you then realise how cruel some of this research is, you can accept this and ignore, burry your head in the sand, or you can do something about it"
All I'll say is that I hope you never experience a child with cystic fibrosis or leukaemia. Or a friend with cancer. You have suggested we stop donating to them for the sake of a few lab rats. If you think that's more cruel then you need to have a good look at yourself.
I'm pretty sure scientists at these places have a bit more of a clue on animal welfare than I guy trying to appear sensitive on a swinging website to try get his Nat King. |
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"This one particular to be honest cos its a blatant cut and paste job from Facebook.
Your full of shit, every company listed was picked out after a good search, bet you £1000 you will not find this "cut & paste" on facebook as this was written from the heart
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This thread was simply to open peoples eyes that the charities they pay into carry out some research on animals, and when you look deeper into it, you then realise how cruel some of this research is, you can accept this and ignore, burry your head in the sand, or you can do something about it"
yet you seem to have done a 180 on the issues you raised at the start blaming your wrongful submissions on old age!
Charitys people and lifes can be lost when people start to believe what people say its the reason you should never post something so far from the truth |
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By *eADevilCouple
over a year ago
Blantyre |
"I don't donate to any charity that tests on animals. Same as I wear make up that's not tested on animals.
I even refused a prescription drug as I found out it was tested on animals. For me it's just not an option
Mrs"
I wonder if your choice would be the same if it was your child or another loved one that needed the medicine that is only available now , after firstly being tested on animals. We all have our moral high ground but at the end of the day how many people in this thread look in any detail of the background development of any particular product. From medical to food to drink to general human comforts , i bet very few. Ignorance is bliss as already been said . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Some interesting points here, some very moral and not wrong, some very real and practical... at the end of the day how many of us can say that anything in our lives has not caused another creature pain. We buy shoes made by people who make 50p a day and live in slum conditions, in rich or poor countries we see both the positive and negative expressions of “human” behaviour every day and at every level whether it be in everyday life or in the world arena of politics. Human beings are fallible but in some ways it’s our greatest strength as it challenges us always to do better.
I think THAT is the point... every day try to do better, even in small ways.
I’ll get aff ma high horse noo cos it’s not the kinda ride ah was lookin for  |
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"I don't donate to any charity that tests on animals. Same as I wear make up that's not tested on animals.
I even refused a prescription drug as I found out it was tested on animals. For me it's just not an option
Mrs
I wonder if your choice would be the same if it was your child or another loved one that needed the medicine that is only available now , after firstly being tested on animals. We all have our moral high ground but at the end of the day how many people in this thread look in any detail of the background development of any particular product. From medical to food to drink to general human comforts , i bet very few. Ignorance is bliss as already been said ."
not to mention the product may not have been tested on animals but individual ingredients will have. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Some interesting points here, some very moral and not wrong, some very real and practical... at the end of the day how many of us can say that anything in our lives has not caused another creature pain. We buy shoes made by people who make 50p a day and live in slum conditions, in rich or poor countries we see both the positive and negative expressions of “human” behaviour every day and at every level whether it be in everyday life or in the world arena of politics. Human beings are fallible but in some ways it’s our greatest strength as it challenges us always to do better.
I think THAT is the point... every day try to do better, even in small ways.
I’ll get aff ma high horse noo cos it’s not the kinda ride ah was lookin for "
in India Cows get skinned alive as the tanning is better from the skin of a live cow!!!! |
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In Syria and other countries, kids die because of our politics.
Fuck cows, any fool that tries to skin a live cow, deserves to die because they're nuts anyway.
Maybe you should focus on real issues for people.
Tedious tree hugging on a swinger's site is out of place.
Each to their own, but we're here for sex fun. A little 'time out' from the real world!
Find a vegan forum and knock yourself out with like minded folks |
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As much as I feel for any animal that endured pain through testing, I do however like most people lead a healthier life through some of the testing, might not be a popular view but it’s my honest one  |
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"In Syria and other countries, kids die because of our politics.
Fuck cows, any fool that tries to skin a live cow, deserves to die because they're nuts anyway.
Maybe you should focus on real issues for people.
Tedious tree hugging on a swinger's site is out of place.
Each to their own, but we're here for sex fun. A little 'time out' from the real world!
Find a vegan forum and knock yourself out with like minded folks "
shouldnt read the forums then it interferes with sex time |
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By *eADevilCouple
over a year ago
Blantyre |
"In Syria and other countries, kids die because of our politics.
Fuck cows, any fool that tries to skin a live cow, deserves to die because they're nuts anyway.
Maybe you should focus on real issues for people.
Tedious tree hugging on a swinger's site is out of place.
Each to their own, but we're here for sex fun. A little 'time out' from the real world!
Find a vegan forum and knock yourself out with like minded folks "
Well said . Most people in here like thier meat |
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