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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15435062.Teacher_accused_of_child_sex_plot_will_not_stand_trial_after_judges_rule_he_was_victim_of_entrapment_by_undercover_officers/
Kinda mixed feelings about this. No real time for the police these days anyhoo but this is pretty low. Can understand if they had something already on the guy but to just randomly pose as they did smacks of desperation to me.
On the other hand, who in their right mind would agree to meet a couple WITH their 14yr old daughter. That's just nuts.
As soon as the daughter was mentioned, irrespective of age, he should have walked.
Would be an interesting transcript of the messages to see how it really panned out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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(Nessarosa writing)
Terrible. Named in the article even thought judge threw it out.
We definitely social meet fans.... face to face communication...no misunderstandings.
I think its also funny that (looking left and right) the police are on here too.
Glad to see it, hope it makes some people think before they message.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why would the police have any interest in swingers? Genuine question, am I missing something here?"
Because it's an easy win for them. They can bend the rules and they think that no one will complain. They target all crimes of a sexual nature because most are not crimes untill they report them, so on their figures it tips the balance of crimes solved versus reported in their favour.
I mean if it wasn't for that they might have to face some bad guys. |
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There are certainly some ill informed comments here. I have no information about this case other than what reported in thecpaper.
I suspect that this case might have been intelligence led. Again i have no info if the defendent has a history of child abuse so was a target.
In scotland the prosecution is decided by the fiscal and not the police. The police raise the case and present it to the fiscal but if the fiscal doesn't think that the evidence is strong enough then it will get struck out. |
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It's a disgusting and cheap trick by the police, looking for an easy, high profile head.
Unfortunately he has been named, and his career is probably over.
Our police, as an institution stink of corruption, despite the outstanding individuals who we know work for them.
Someone should be getting the sack for this, and not the teacher! What a waste of our time and resources. |
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By *ewisbi76Man
over a year ago
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I used to know a police researcher. They definately employ people to browse the internet generally, and focus on sub groups like swingers, drug forums, certain religious groups etc. Seemed like an interesting job.
From what i've read on other forums they focus on dogging sites, illegal activity mentioned in profiles, and profiles which imply the sale of drugs.
I dont think they chase each offence individually. But there will be a tipping point when they decide they want to 'clean up' a problem and you will suddenly get an action, like the organised sauna raids a couple of years ago. |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
Lothians |
To be fair anything the police do regarding paedophillia has my 100% support and trust me i hate Police Scotland. There are under age people on the site who lie about there age, there is prostitution goes on in this site and along with prostitution you get pimps and along with pimps you get paedophiles who prey on selling young girls.
As for police entrapment what to call the people like stinson hunter and paedophile hunters then? |
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By *hav02Man
over a year ago
Glasgow/London |
This is really bad. Teacher was publicly humiliated in the article for no good reason.
I read the headline thinking the teacher knowingly met up with an alleged 14yr old.... clearly not the case! Shame on the Police!!! |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
Lothians |
Perhaps this guy should make his chat with "LISA"public knowledge then if he has nothing to hide!As soon as a 14 year old was mentioned he should have walked! And don't go with the Judge we all know what they are like lol kind off speaks for its self going with what sentences they pass down to Paedophiles! |
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At the end of the day it came down to the fiscal to decide whether there is enough evidence to justify a prosecution.
What we don't know if there is any evidence of the teacher's pre cons or if he has come under suspicion before.
Today another teacher was struck off for having sex with a pupil so our kids need to be protected.
I don't think our messages are being monitored on here by anyone.
As a teacher he should have run a mile when a 14 yo was mentioned. It was stupid of him to carry on the conversation when he knows how teachers are in a position of trust and their conduct is expected to be of a higher standard. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think an awful lot can be made to sound right or wrong from either side... one has to have context to fully understand what happened in any given situation... the one with that girl in Spain who died when she fell from the balcony is one... so tragic.
Our children should always be protected - ALWAYS - however it is also true that even 14 year old children can be malicious... how horrible to be either a child whose trust has been abused or an adult who tried to help a child be betrayed... btw I am not saying either scenario is true there... just speculating on the human condition...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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looks like it was intelligence led, ie they had info about previous wrongdoings with underage girls and also knew he was on here, so set him up. legally wrong but probably morally right imo |
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"To be fair anything the police do regarding paedophillia has my 100% support and trust me i hate Police Scotland. There are under age people on the site who lie about there age, there is prostitution goes on in this site and along with prostitution you get pimps and along with pimps you get paedophiles who prey on selling young girls.
As for police entrapment what to call the people like stinson hunter and paedophile hunters then?"
strange but true it always amazes me how folk automatically think of the female of the species while the same thing happens with the male of the species |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
Lothians |
"At the end of the day it came down to the fiscal to decide whether there is enough evidence to justify a prosecution.
What we don't know if there is any evidence of the teacher's pre cons or if he has come under suspicion before.
Today another teacher was struck off for having sex with a pupil so our kids need to be protected.
I don't think our messages are being monitored on here by anyone.
As a teacher he should have run a mile when a 14 yo was mentioned. It was stupid of him to carry on the conversation when he knows how teachers are in a position of trust and their conduct is expected to be of a higher standard."
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"It's a disgusting and cheap trick by the police, looking for an easy, high profile head.
Unfortunately he has been named, and his career is probably over.
Our police, as an institution stink of corruption, despite the outstanding individuals who we know work for them.
Someone should be getting the sack for this, and not the teacher! What a waste of our time and resources."
I've always believed NO ONE should be named until guilt has been proved in a court of law. . . Too many people have lives and careers ruined due to false accusations or false prosecution.
Why is it anyway that I could accuse someone of some dreadful crime yet remain anonymous? Meanwhile the poor sod left to answer in front of a judge has his/her name all over the news/papers? I've never understood this practice. |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
Lothians |
"To be fair anything the police do regarding paedophillia has my 100% support and trust me i hate Police Scotland. There are under age people on the site who lie about there age, there is prostitution goes on in this site and along with prostitution you get pimps and along with pimps you get paedophiles who prey on selling young girls.
As for police entrapment what to call the people like stinson hunter and paedophile hunters then?strange but true it always amazes me how folk automatically think of the female of the species while the same thing happens with the male of the species"
I said girls as this is what it concerns had it been a boy my reaction would have been the same. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's a disgusting and cheap trick by the police, looking for an easy, high profile head.
Unfortunately he has been named, and his career is probably over.
Our police, as an institution stink of corruption, despite the outstanding individuals who we know work for them.
Someone should be getting the sack for this, and not the teacher! What a waste of our time and resources.
I've always believed NO ONE should be named until guilt has been proved in a court of law. . . Too many people have lives and careers ruined due to false accusations or false prosecution.
Why is it anyway that I could accuse someone of some dreadful crime yet remain anonymous? Meanwhile the poor sod left to answer in front of a judge has his/her name all over the news/papers? I've never understood this practice. "
Exactly ... and sadly this kind of mud sticks... not just to the person but their family too. |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
Lothians |
may we suggest you google this and read more articles regarding this as there is more information! For instance he met up with them 3 three times!
Conversations are monitored on this site but unfortunately it looks like they monitor the wrong ones!
are people on this site that naive to think that police (Maggots) as i cal them dont monitor sites like this. For god sake he is a teacher so he is hardly naive but neither are predators! |
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"Perhaps this guy should make his chat with "LISA"public knowledge then if he has nothing to hide!As soon as a 14 year old was mentioned he should have walked! And don't go with the Judge we all know what they are like lol kind off speaks for its self going with what sentences they pass down to Paedophiles! "
and if she was 14 how would that make him a pedophile?
a lot of people don't seem to to know the meaning of that word...
but yes he should have walked when the 14 year old was mentioned. |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
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"Perhaps this guy should make his chat with "LISA"public knowledge then if he has nothing to hide!As soon as a 14 year old was mentioned he should have walked! And don't go with the Judge we all know what they are like lol kind off speaks for its self going with what sentences they pass down to Paedophiles!
and if she was 14 how would that make him a pedophile?
a lot of people don't seem to to know the meaning of that word...
but yes he should have walked when the 14 year old was mentioned."
Say the same thing if a man wants to have sex with your 14 year old Daughter! He was willing so what would you call that! you dont know what I do so dont dare say or insinuate I dont know the meaning of the word "Paedophile" |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"There are certainly some ill informed comments here. I have no information about this case other than what reported in thecpaper.
I suspect that this case might have been intelligence led. Again i have no info if the defendent has a history of child abuse so was a target.
In scotland the prosecution is decided by the fiscal and not the police. The police raise the case and present it to the fiscal but if the fiscal doesn't think that the evidence is strong enough then it will get struck out."
As I said, 'unless they had something on him already'. No mention of that in the reporting though. You would have thought that would be front and centre from any journo. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"may we suggest you google this and read more articles regarding this as there is more information! For instance he met up with them 3 three times!
Conversations are monitored on this site but unfortunately it looks like they monitor the wrong ones!
are people on this site that naive to think that police (Maggots) as i cal them dont monitor sites like this. For god sake he is a teacher so he is hardly naive but neither are predators! "
With respect... our police force may have its problems but as a society we cannot do without them and many are very respectable decent people... it's not fair to generalise like this and that goes for both defendant and accused in any trial... however of course you are entitled to your opinion |
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"Aww you one off those pull at straw types Age dont come into it ok. a NONSE IS A NONSE "
no pulling of straws here and of course age comes into it, what if she was 15, 16, 17, 18 or 19 would he still be called a pedo? lol
where do you draw the line?
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i googled and found the court report including this
The facts are not in material dispute. The police were investigating the fabswingers website following reports that certain communications on it, between two unnamed persons, contained messages relating to the sexual abuse of children. Following the execution of several warrants and the recovery of computer equipment from these two persons, a large number of chat logs were examined in order to see if any others had an interest in such abuse. Nineteen persons were regarded as being “of concern”. They were divided into those of medium and high risk. The respondent, who is a teacher, was one of those in the lower category. The message content of his chat did not involve children, but included animals. However, the respondent had had contact with one or both of the two persons originally identified as having expressed an interest in the abuse of children. Authority was given to conduct an undercover operation. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"i googled and found the court report including this
The facts are not in material dispute. The police were investigating the fabswingers website following reports that certain communications on it, between two unnamed persons, contained messages relating to the sexual abuse of children. Following the execution of several warrants and the recovery of computer equipment from these two persons, a large number of chat logs were examined in order to see if any others had an interest in such abuse. Nineteen persons were regarded as being “of concern”. They were divided into those of medium and high risk. The respondent, who is a teacher, was one of those in the lower category. The message content of his chat did not involve children, but included animals. However, the respondent had had contact with one or both of the two persons originally identified as having expressed an interest in the abuse of children. Authority was given to conduct an undercover operation."
So lowest 'risk' and he's the only one named and career/ life now effectively over? Jeepers. |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
Lothians |
And just for the Records its the male here and not her ok! I am a hunter so in my eyes anything under age is a "NONSE" dress it up anyway you like it comes down to the same thing!And no Hunter does not mean "Vigilantly" It mean making the streets safer for our children! Now take your fancy words and Politics and shove it! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There are certainly some ill informed comments here. I have no information about this case other than what reported in thecpaper.
I suspect that this case might have been intelligence led. Again i have no info if the defendent has a history of child abuse so was a target.
In scotland the prosecution is decided by the fiscal and not the police. The police raise the case and present it to the fiscal but if the fiscal doesn't think that the evidence is strong enough then it will get struck out."
Round of applause that man!!
Amazed at how quickly police turn from being heros (Manchester, London etc) the public enemy number one!
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
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"There are certainly some ill informed comments here. I have no information about this case other than what reported in thecpaper.
I suspect that this case might have been intelligence led. Again i have no info if the defendent has a history of child abuse so was a target.
In scotland the prosecution is decided by the fiscal and not the police. The police raise the case and present it to the fiscal but if the fiscal doesn't think that the evidence is strong enough then it will get struck out.
Round of applause that man!!
Amazed at how quickly police turn from being heros (Manchester, London etc) the public enemy number one!
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The police who do this kind of work have it hard they do all the work then its down to the system so when the system fails I feel so so sorry for the cops. They do their job and som PF drops it or some Judge passes down community service! grrrrr |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There are certainly some ill informed comments here. I have no information about this case other than what reported in thecpaper.
I suspect that this case might have been intelligence led. Again i have no info if the defendent has a history of child abuse so was a target.
In scotland the prosecution is decided by the fiscal and not the police. The police raise the case and present it to the fiscal but if the fiscal doesn't think that the evidence is strong enough then it will get struck out.
Round of applause that man!!
Amazed at how quickly police turn from being heros (Manchester, London etc) the public enemy number one!
The police who do this kind of work have it hard they do all the work then its down to the system so when the system fails I feel so so sorry for the cops. They do their job and som PF drops it or some Judge passes down community service! grrrrr "
PF is seriously under funded service as well so can't try everything that they would want |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
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"There are certainly some ill informed comments here. I have no information about this case other than what reported in thecpaper.
I suspect that this case might have been intelligence led. Again i have no info if the defendent has a history of child abuse so was a target.
In scotland the prosecution is decided by the fiscal and not the police. The police raise the case and present it to the fiscal but if the fiscal doesn't think that the evidence is strong enough then it will get struck out.
Round of applause that man!!
Amazed at how quickly police turn from being heros (Manchester, London etc) the public enemy number one!
The police who do this kind of work have it hard they do all the work then its down to the system so when the system fails I feel so so sorry for the cops. They do their job and som PF drops it or some Judge passes down community service! grrrrr
PF is seriously under funded service as well so can't try everything that they would want "
perhaps dealing with people like this before petty stuff might help! I call them Protectors! anyway not saying any more on this it infuriates me... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Think the police have enough on there hands than being on here. Everyone is over 18 what happens between adults is none of there business. Mind you they might be on here for a laugh. Or taken part. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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We met one couple a few years back who'd met a couple and one was a cop. They claimed she done a vehicle check when they were in to see that they were who they said they were 
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"And just for the Records its the male here and not her ok! I am a hunter so in my eyes anything under age is a "NONSE" dress it up anyway you like it comes down to the same thing!And no Hunter does not mean "Vigilantly" It mean making the streets safer for our children! Now take your fancy words and Politics and shove it! "
I am hunter *bangs chest and grunts* lol you some sort of Supernatural fan?
i couldn't care who you are ok! do you shout the word Nonse every time you say it IRL? lol
but aye keep up the good work... |
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Surprised the police in Fife have the time for this - spend most of their time looking for motorists speeding on a 7 day a week basis.
As for entrapment - no surprise they are up to it - a lot of corruption within Police Scotland starting at the very top. |
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The extremes in this thread are so insane its pretty unbelievable that some can cohabit this society.
My favorite piece just now is "the nonse hunter" cant beat a bit of hillbilly judge jury and executioner action to brighten up a dreary friday.
weird idea leave it to the proper authorites to deal with wrongdoings opps cant as they are maggots (another classic)
If you truely believe it vote the system out......opps not that many agree with you feck it shout the loudest that way its only you can be heard.
everyones entitled to an opinion
The police do an extremely hard job and in the main they do it right yup like any lge organisation there is corruption but that you sort out by getting rid of those who work for you and allow the corruption.
Another thing I read here they read correspondence between folk. No they dont unless they have some sort of evidence to get the logs opened they dont just willey nilly open folks accounts n poke around (fab can forward things that flag up if they believe it necessary I would guess).
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Surprised the police in Fife have the time for this - spend most of their time looking for motorists speeding on a 7 day a week basis.
As for entrapment - no surprise they are up to it - a lot of corruption within Police Scotland starting at the very top."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The extremes in this thread are so insane its pretty unbelievable that some can cohabit this society.
My favorite piece just now is "the nonse hunter" cant beat a bit of hillbilly judge jury and executioner action to brighten up a dreary friday.
weird idea leave it to the proper authorites to deal with wrongdoings opps cant as they are maggots (another classic)
If you truely believe it vote the system out......opps not that many agree with you feck it shout the loudest that way its only you can be heard.
everyones entitled to an opinion
The police do an extremely hard job and in the main they do it right yup like any lge organisation there is corruption but that you sort out by getting rid of those who work for you and allow the corruption.
Another thing I read here they read correspondence between folk. No they dont unless they have some sort of evidence to get the logs opened they dont just willey nilly open folks accounts n poke around (fab can forward things that flag up if they believe it necessary I would guess).
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Dammit Kola
Stop bringing common sense into the equation.
Nobody will get able to mount their high horse or be self righteous.
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