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"Amazes me how you hear complaints about political threads supposedly not meant to be here as they have there own section. Yet here we are ( I dont mind political threads I just dont like hypocrissy)" ...I agree. There's a meet section and a club forum that get the swerve past as well. What is one to do.. ? | |||
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"Amazes me how you hear complaints about political threads supposedly not meant to be here as they have there own section. Yet here we are ( I dont mind political threads I just dont like hypocrissy)" Agreed .. Maybe the OP likes creating Political threads..Im sure he created others. | |||
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"Who would love to give Theresa May a good seeing to?" Me. Down a dark alley with a baseball bat | |||
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"clever by may no opposition with labour a shambles , possible slight improvement from lib dems . ukip and the likes faded back to being insignificant . cant see much change in the snp vote . overall a strengthening of the tory majority that will allow us to get fucked without a fight " Agreed. | |||
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"The SNP sheep will have to find a new shout as pretty soon we'll no longer be governed by "an unelected PM"" always find it kind of funny when someone says that, your not voting for the person your voting for the party. | |||
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"Amazes me how you hear complaints about political threads supposedly not meant to be here as they have there own section. Yet here we are ( I dont mind political threads I just dont like hypocrissy) Agreed .. Maybe the OP likes creating Political threads..Im sure he created others. " And your point is?? | |||
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"Amazes me how you hear complaints about political threads supposedly not meant to be here as they have there own section. Yet here we are ( I dont mind political threads I just dont like hypocrissy) Agreed .. Maybe the OP likes creating Political threads..Im sure he created others. And your point is?? " Maybe the OP likes creating Political threads | |||
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"gawd wonder how many are going to vote SNP... " 59 seat clean sweep | |||
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"gawd wonder how many are going to vote SNP... 59 seat clean sweep " Apparently there was a Bi-Erection in Cjs ..I heard that was the same .. 59 seat clean sweep | |||
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"Who would love to give Theresa May a good seeing to? Me. Down a dark alley with a baseball bat" Oh can i help lol | |||
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"Who would love to give Theresa May a good seeing to? Me. Down a dark alley with a baseball bat" This. | |||
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"Amazes me how you hear complaints about political threads supposedly not meant to be here as they have there own section. Yet here we are ( I dont mind political threads I just dont like hypocrissy) Agreed .. Maybe the OP likes creating Political threads..Im sure he created others. " Oh he does. Been at it for years. | |||
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"clever by may no opposition with labour a shambles , possible slight improvement from lib dems . ukip and the likes faded back to being insignificant . cant see much change in the snp vote . overall a strengthening of the tory majority that will allow us to get fucked without a fight " well said that man...the Tories will fk us all left right n centre!! | |||
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"Very shrewd lady as the shambles labour is she's got a clean sweep Dosnt matter who Scotland votes for as as per our vote does not count Bit of a 2 face Senario as she said to sturgeon wait for indy2 after brexit but goes ahead with a snap election " | |||
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"Who would love to give Theresa May a good seeing to? Me. Down a dark alley with a baseball bat Oh can i help lol " join an ever growing Q | |||
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"What difference does it make ... 55 million people down south will make the decision for us as usual unless sturgeon grows a pair and takes us out under udi" Not really, I vote as an individual, not as a nation. | |||
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"That's the point tho...even as if we did vote as a nation...England will still be the majority vote So unless an independent Scotland it's a compete waste of time " We don't vote as a nation though, we vote as individuals. Moy vote counts the same as anyone elses. | |||
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"What difference does it make ... 55 million people down south will make the decision for us as usual unless sturgeon grows a pair and takes us out under udi Not really, I vote as an individual, not as a nation." Ok ur vote doesn't mean a thing as an individual living in scotland | |||
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"What difference does it make ... 55 million people down south will make the decision for us as usual unless sturgeon grows a pair and takes us out under udi Not really, I vote as an individual, not as a nation. Ok ur vote doesn't mean a thing as an individual living in scotland" Everyone's vote counts the same no matter where they live. I don't vote as a nation, in the same way I don't vote as a town, a county or a region. All of those are irrelevant, I vote for the local MP and party who will best represent my views. | |||
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"Yeah...if you vote tory Brilliant as that's the only party that will count I'm tired of being cow down to English rule But unless independence Nothing will ever change " I agree ... there is nothing equal about this union | |||
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"Yawn!! I wont be voting" But you'll complain when and if things are shite and not to your liking? | |||
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"As long as there will still be tits and fannies" Theres a few of them in Westminister | |||
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"The SNP sheep will have to find a new shout as pretty soon we'll no longer be governed by "an unelected PM"" Sheep are stupid animals whose lives are governed by a blind herding instinct. Their natural resources are taken for sale by others and are frequently fucked by their deviant masters. They bleat but their owners don't listen to them and they if they try to go their own way the dogs are set on them. Once used up they are discarded. The saddest thing, and this is what makes it a description of the Tory voter in Scotland, is they still think their owners care about them and look out for them and will turn on any member of the flock that doesn't follow blindly. | |||
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".......8th June. Roll on.......!! " | |||
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"Your opinion!! " Correct. It is. | |||
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"Your opinion!! " Is this not what the Forums are for ? Voicing views and opinions | |||
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"Your opinion!! Is this not what the Forums are for ? Voicing views and opinions " nope its for group consensus and love ins | |||
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"Who would love to give Theresa May a good seeing to?" Was she no a porn star back in the 90's | |||
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"Who would love to give Theresa May a good seeing to? Me. Down a dark alley with a baseball bat Oh can i help lol " Kinky | |||
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"Ah well if Maggie Mayhem gets her way at least our sex lives will improve. We will be fucked left right and centre at every opportunity. " Ooh well life's looking up..... Or is it down | |||
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"Your opinion!! " Opinions... like arseholes ..everyone has one. Take us for example, complete opposite sides of the fence.. havent fell out yet, but the baseball bat does come in handy | |||
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"Your opinion!! Opinions... like arseholes ..everyone has one. Take us for example, complete opposite sides of the fence.. havent fell out yet, but the baseball bat does come in handy " | |||
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"As long as there will still be tits and fannies" The working class have spoken, do you hear us Downing Street? | |||
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"Your opinion!! " Why start a post if you dont want ppl to give there opinion ? Or were the rolling eyes because mines differs from yours | |||
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"You seem to ignore the fact that some of us Scots are also Tories and want a prosperous Scotland full of opportunity for everyone. The SNP are a party for down and outs and think that by looking after the proletariat they can stay in power. Unfortunately Scotland needs wealth creators to generate tax so as we can survive as an independent nation. So until we are all Tory then independence is just a pipe dream and the SNP will be lost in the noise. " | |||
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"You seem to ignore the fact that some of us Scots are also Tories and want a prosperous Scotland full of opportunity for everyone. The SNP are a party for down and outs and think that by looking after the proletariat they can stay in power. Unfortunately Scotland needs wealth creators to generate tax so as we can survive as an independent nation. So until we are all Tory then independence is just a pipe dream and the SNP will be lost in the noise. " I can assure you .. i am no down and out..Contrary to what some people would have others believe, I work for a living and pay my taxes and my dues. Like my partner who supports a different political party from myself. Would never dream of calling people down and outs or other names because of their political believes. That is just downright rude | |||
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"The SNP are a party for down and outs " Classy pal. Just, Classy. | |||
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"You seem to ignore the fact that some of us Scots are also Tories and want a prosperous Scotland full of opportunity for everyone. The SNP are a party for down and outs and think that by looking after the proletariat they can stay in power. Unfortunately Scotland needs wealth creators to generate tax so as we can survive as an independent nation. So until we are all Tory then independence is just a pipe dream and the SNP will be lost in the noise. I can assure you .. i am no down and out..Contrary to what some people would have others believe, I work for a living and pay my taxes and my dues. Like my partner who supports a different political party from myself. Would never dream of calling people down and outs or other names because of their political believes. That is just downright rude" Well said just goes to show the type of ppl some tory voters are | |||
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"You seem to ignore the fact that some of us Scots are also Tories and want a prosperous Scotland full of opportunity for everyone. The SNP are a party for down and outs and think that by looking after the proletariat they can stay in power. Unfortunately Scotland needs wealth creators to generate tax so as we can survive as an independent nation. So until we are all Tory then independence is just a pipe dream and the SNP will be lost in the noise. " I cam assure you I am not a down and out ! Sums tories right up !! | |||
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"You seem to ignore the fact that some of us Scots are also Tories and want a prosperous Scotland full of opportunity for everyone. The SNP are a party for down and outs and think that by looking after the proletariat they can stay in power. Unfortunately Scotland needs wealth creators to generate tax so as we can survive as an independent nation. So until we are all Tory then independence is just a pipe dream and the SNP will be lost in the noise. I cam assure you I am not a down and out ! Sums tories right up !! " Not all tories just this one in particular. I wouldnt make a sweeping generalisation based on one persons comments. Would just bring me down to their level. | |||
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"You seem to ignore the fact that some of us Scots are also Tories and want a prosperous Scotland full of opportunity for everyone. The SNP are a party for down and outs and think that by looking after the proletariat they can stay in power. Unfortunately Scotland needs wealth creators to generate tax so as we can survive as an independent nation. So until we are all Tory then independence is just a pipe dream and the SNP will be lost in the noise. I cam assure you I am not a down and out ! Sums tories right up !! Not all tories just this one in particular. I wouldnt make a sweeping generalisation based on one persons comments. Would just bring me down to their level. " Seems the op agrees with him going by his thumbs up ,but i think he only started the thread to cause trouble | |||
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"You seem to ignore the fact that some of us Scots are also Tories and want a prosperous Scotland full of opportunity for everyone. The SNP are a party for down and outs and think that by looking after the proletariat they can stay in power. Unfortunately Scotland needs wealth creators to generate tax so as we can survive as an independent nation. So until we are all Tory then independence is just a pipe dream and the SNP will be lost in the noise. I cam assure you I am not a down and out ! Sums tories right up !! Not all tories just this one in particular. I wouldnt make a sweeping generalisation based on one persons comments. Would just bring me down to their level. " whilst you are spot on unfortunatley it has been the opinion from every tory i know and a common occurance | |||
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"You seem to ignore the fact that some of us Scots are also Tories and want a prosperous Scotland full of opportunity for everyone. The SNP are a party for down and outs and think that by looking after the proletariat they can stay in power. Unfortunately Scotland needs wealth creators to generate tax so as we can survive as an independent nation. So until we are all Tory then independence is just a pipe dream and the SNP will be lost in the noise. I cam assure you I am not a down and out ! Sums tories right up !! Not all tories just this one in particular. I wouldnt make a sweeping generalisation based on one persons comments. Would just bring me down to their level. Seems the op agrees with him going by his thumbs up ,but i think he only started the thread to cause trouble " He's got previous. | |||
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"You seem to ignore the fact that some of us Scots are also Tories and want a prosperous Scotland full of opportunity for everyone. The SNP are a party for down and outs and think that by looking after the proletariat they can stay in power. Unfortunately Scotland needs wealth creators to generate tax so as we can survive as an independent nation. So until we are all Tory then independence is just a pipe dream and the SNP will be lost in the noise. I cam assure you I am not a down and out ! Sums tories right up !! Not all tories just this one in particular. I wouldnt make a sweeping generalisation based on one persons comments. Would just bring me down to their level. Seems the op agrees with him going by his thumbs up ,but i think he only started the thread to cause trouble He's got previous. " Aye ive noticed starts a thread then only gives the thumbs up with ppl who agree with him ,im just surprised he hasnt blamed oor beloved nicola for the wars in middle east the famines in africa yet hey but its early days lol | |||
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"You seem to ignore the fact that some of us Scots are also Tories and want a prosperous Scotland full of opportunity for everyone. The SNP are a party for down and outs and think that by looking after the proletariat they can stay in power. Unfortunately Scotland needs wealth creators to generate tax so as we can survive as an independent nation. So until we are all Tory then independence is just a pipe dream and the SNP will be lost in the noise. I cam assure you I am not a down and out ! Sums tories right up !! Not all tories just this one in particular. I wouldnt make a sweeping generalisation based on one persons comments. Would just bring me down to their level. Seems the op agrees with him going by his thumbs up ,but i think he only started the thread to cause trouble He's got previous. Aye ive noticed starts a thread then only gives the thumbs up with ppl who agree with him ,im just surprised he hasnt blamed oor beloved nicola for the wars in middle east the famines in africa yet hey but its early days lol " give it time afterall what would us lowlifes know | |||
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"Vive la France! Come on Max, let's go and relax " Wee piña colada with Marine? Sounds I'll probably get my ass kicked there too lol will see this weekend | |||
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"Monster raving looney party aw ra way fs " Im sure youl get a few votes | |||
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"gawd wonder how many are going to vote SNP... 59 seat clean sweep " Lol then Nicola wakes up to reality! | |||
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"gawd wonder how many are going to vote SNP... 59 seat clean sweep Lol then Nicola wakes up to reality! Yep and realises she only had her original 56...wit a bummer " Nah def 59 and we will still be told there isnt an appetite for independence by the tories and the media lol | |||
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"gawd wonder how many are going to vote SNP... 59 seat clean sweep Lol then Nicola wakes up to reality! Yep and realises she only had her original 56...wit a bummer Nah def 59 and we will still be told there isnt an appetite for independence by the tories and the media lol " I was just going to retype that minus the angry face lol fat fingers | |||
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"gawd wonder how many are going to vote SNP... 59 seat clean sweep Lol then Nicola wakes up to reality! Yep and realises she only had her original 56...wit a bummer Nah def 59 and we will still be told there isnt an appetite for independence by the tories and the media lol I was just going to retype that minus the angry face lol fat fingers " Lol dont mention fat fingers they will think your too well fed lol remember we are meant to be down and outs | |||
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"Your opinion!! Why start a post if you dont want ppl to give there opinion ? Or were the rolling eyes because mines differs from yours " Exactly This ... | |||
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"Your opinion!! Is this not what the Forums are for ? Voicing views and opinions " Not to Bothy. He likes to live in an echo chamber and holds anyone who differs from his line in contempt. His debating style comprises provocative statement, insults and fingers-in-ears singing la la la. | |||
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"Your opinion!! Is this not what the Forums are for ? Voicing views and opinions Not to Bothy. He likes to live in an echo chamber and holds anyone who differs from his line in contempt. His debating style comprises provocative statement, insults and fingers-in-ears singing la la la. " Agreed. | |||
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"Your opinion!! Is this not what the Forums are for ? Voicing views and opinions Not to Bothy. He likes to live in an echo chamber and holds anyone who differs from his line in contempt. His debating style comprises provocative statement, insults and fingers-in-ears singing la la la. " Just shows a complete lack of critical thinking. Such views have no value at all to any discussion so why pay any attention? | |||
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"Your opinion!! Is this not what the Forums are for ? Voicing views and opinions Not to Bothy. He likes to live in an echo chamber and holds anyone who differs from his line in contempt. His debating style comprises provocative statement, insults and fingers-in-ears singing la la la. Just shows a complete lack of critical thinking. Such views have no value at all to any discussion so why pay any attention?" la la la la fingers out ears time yet | |||
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"The SNP sheep will have to find a new shout as pretty soon we'll no longer be governed by "an unelected PM"" May IS unelected. Sadly that is not the worst thing about her. | |||
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"The SNP sheep will have to find a new shout as pretty soon we'll no longer be governed by "an unelected PM" May IS unelected. Sadly that is not the worst thing about her." Technically, EVERY prime minister is elected as an MP and UNelected as a prime minister as we don't vote for a prime minister. Just as we don't vote for Firt Minister of Scotland, only their position as an MSP | |||
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"I was referring to the OP when noting no critical thinking ever in place on political threads. I agree with the comment I quoted. " lol I just felt like a la la moment (I actually dont suffer from these so thought I would give it a try) | |||
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"Back Nicola one million percent? This 10 000 times more than is possible! Sounds like you share the SNPs monetary policy for running the country! No wonder Scotland is running with such a high budget deficit. God help us! Even making us higher tax payers pay more tax in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, will not sort out this incompetent mess the SNP have created. Perhaps we would all be better off as down and outs living off the state instead of creating wealth and jobs for the population who will in turn pay into the system! We need a low tax economy to attract the right people to Scotland so as we all prosper. The only future is with the Conservatives." Do you see all your fellow scots as down and outs , or is it only the snp supporters and low earners ? Beneath you are they ? | |||
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"Big wooden spoon moment, wonder how a snp ukip coalition government would work. " Are they "Down and Outs" to ? | |||
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"But that's the thing..I'm a snp voter Was labour until they sold us down the river So...What's next if not those 2? Hell will freeze over before I'd ever vote tory But...as per even if the whole of Scotland voted for the greens England rule..why do folk not get this?" I totally get this and alas nothing will ever change. The sheer volume of seats and voters in england will always outnumber the scottish elecorate. You can take heart though that the tory party will never rule as the scottish government. There isnt enough dafties or millionaires in scotland that could make that happen | |||
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"But that's the thing..I'm a snp voter Was labour until they sold us down the river So...What's next if not those 2? Hell will freeze over before I'd ever vote tory But...as per even if the whole of Scotland voted for the greens England rule..why do folk not get this?" why vote....... I understand the political landscape I choose a vote of no confidence by voting for no one. To be fair snp policys are the closest to my views but theres to much smoke and mirrors and unicorns | |||
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"But that's the thing..I'm a snp voter Was labour until they sold us down the river So...What's next if not those 2? Hell will freeze over before I'd ever vote tory But...as per even if the whole of Scotland voted for the greens England rule..why do folk not get this?why vote....... I understand the political landscape I choose a vote of no confidence by voting for no one. To be fair snp policys are the closest to my views but theres to much smoke and mirrors and unicorns " Smoke and mirrors in all parties. Dont believe for a min that maggie mayhem has called GE strictly in regards to brexit... the true reaaon will, as always,come out after voting closes. Might be looking for those magical unicorns then lol | |||
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"But that's the thing..I'm a snp voter Was labour until they sold us down the river So...What's next if not those 2? Hell will freeze over before I'd ever vote tory But...as per even if the whole of Scotland voted for the greens England rule..why do folk not get this?why vote....... I understand the political landscape I choose a vote of no confidence by voting for no one. To be fair snp policys are the closest to my views but theres to much smoke and mirrors and unicorns Smoke and mirrors in all parties. Dont believe for a min that maggie mayhem has called GE strictly in regards to brexit... the true reaaon will, as always,come out after voting closes. Might be looking for those magical unicorns then lol" I agree its all paryys thats whyive zero confidence in any lol my little pony has more chance of my vote than a politician | |||
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"Back Nicola one million percent? This 10 000 times more than is possible! Sounds like you share the SNPs monetary policy for running the country! No wonder Scotland is running with such a high budget deficit. God help us! Even making us higher tax payers pay more tax in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, will not sort out this incompetent mess the SNP have created. Perhaps we would all be better off as down and outs living off the state instead of creating wealth and jobs for the population who will in turn pay into the system! We need a low tax economy to attract the right people to Scotland so as we all prosper. The only future is with the Conservatives." | |||
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"oh well here it starts i meant 100 per cent Better of with the tories well if u think that i really dont think u have any idea what a mess we are in thanks to them Also The tories are still bleeding Scotland dry but any way we have the local election first so see what happens then" I'm sorry Heather, but blaming everyting on the Tories will no longer wash!! | |||
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"Referendum ?? I would love independence BUT give us the FULL information on what it means and what it Will cost. Questions always dodged. Plus nearly half of Scotland want out EU me included. Nicola keeps chopping and changing in out maybe. ?? All Teresa May is asking is lets get together get a good brexit deal then all us scots can make a PROPER informed decision if we wish to leave the NEW solo uk or not. That WOULD be an INFORMED decision. " | |||
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"Best of a bad lot I'm afraid But I'd rather have folk living and working in Scotland running my country than sitting sleeping in Westminster and getting paid for it!!" Whooooaaaaa.....hang on a second What the hell is the Scottish parliament for then??? Aren't THEY governing Scotland? Aren't THEY running schools, the NHS, some important welfare spending powers (at long bloody last), even tax raising powers now too?? Take ALL the money we can squeeze out of Westminster and put it to better use. Maybe if the SCOTTISH parliament actually used the powers it already has and concentrated on actually running Scotland on a day to day basis, then Scotland would be the great country it should be already. Instead of wasting time bleating about the general election - which by the way, MSPs are NOT standing for election in - why not govern Scotland. Why not SHOW the people of the UK just how it could be done. Oh, wait a minute, it's because they're ALL politicians who are in it for themselves and couldn't actually give a shit about the folk they are SUPPOSED to be working for!! | |||
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"oh well here it starts i meant 100 per cent Better of with the tories well if u think that i really dont think u have any idea what a mess we are in thanks to them Also The tories are still bleeding Scotland dry but any way we have the local election first so see what happens then" The tories are bleeding Scotland dry? Do you have any figures to back that up? Scottish Govt's bugget is higher than it's ever been and is going up by a massive £1bn next year. | |||
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"Best of a bad lot I'm afraid But I'd rather have folk living and working in Scotland running my country than sitting sleeping in Westminster and getting paid for it!! Whooooaaaaa.....hang on a second What the hell is the Scottish parliament for then??? Aren't THEY governing Scotland? Aren't THEY running schools, the NHS, some important welfare spending powers (at long bloody last), even tax raising powers now too?? Take ALL the money we can squeeze out of Westminster and put it to better use. Maybe if the SCOTTISH parliament actually used the powers it already has and concentrated on actually running Scotland on a day to day basis, then Scotland would be the great country it should be already. Instead of wasting time bleating about the general election - which by the way, MSPs are NOT standing for election in - why not govern Scotland. Why not SHOW the people of the UK just how it could be done. Oh, wait a minute, it's because they're ALL politicians who are in it for themselves and couldn't actually give a shit about the folk they are SUPPOSED to be working for!! " | |||
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"I never can understand the lack of thought from people who say that MPs/MSPs do nothing but moan about elections etc instead of governing. It's that lack of critical thinking or maybe selective belief, again. The state of the NHS in Scotland is better than that in England but the overall UK NHS woes can't be placed at the feet of the SNP. That's just lazy thinking and meaningless. " Think a lot of the tory lovers on this thread would change their minds in a miniute one the nhs is privatised like it will be in england soon,once they have to pay for uni fees for their children and pay prescription fees for terminally il relatives running to thousands a yr ,but hey they will take all they can but never give the snp any credit | |||
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"The quicker Admin closes the thread the better before it creates any bad feeling between fellow members over political views. Why ? Havent read any real nasty comments at all so why close it " We are too nice in the scottish forums lol Few nasty comments over on the politics section and one particular thread in the lounge which thankfully has been closed. Doesnt matter which party you support there is no need for vile or abusive comments . | |||
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"I can't see how this election gives May any more of a mandate to negotiate with the EU. She had the EU referendum on the back of the Tory majority. Sheer political opportunitism to stay in power for an extra couple of years. " its a power grab . clear and simple as i said before labour are a shambles . the lib dems may pjck up a few more seats as a result . the snp may drop a couple of seats as well but certainly nowhere near as drastic as the 30 seats claimed further up the thread . maggie maybis lookin to bolster the tory majority giving them a clear run at whatever austerity cuts they want . ive said many times that im not a massive snp fan and disagree with many of their policies . they certainly aint flawless but over all whilst taking the hit for bedroom tax , free prescriptions and education they have done a not bad job . a dam site better than the mess labour put us in thats for certain all the while doing it with one hand tied behind their back as the torys implement massive cuts and austerity measures . the austerity measures that have seen national debt rise may i add !! i hope for independance not for the snp but for the right to self determination, once that comes the snp will break up and there will be a real choice with good opposition in a free scotland . until then i will back them . the lowlife scum that i am | |||
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"I never can understand the lack of thought from people who say that MPs/MSPs do nothing but moan about elections etc instead of governing. It's that lack of critical thinking or maybe selective belief, again. The state of the NHS in Scotland is better than that in England but the overall UK NHS woes can't be placed at the feet of the SNP. That's just lazy thinking and meaningless. " So are you suggesting that it's ok for MSPs to ignore their ACTUAL jobs in favour of being allowed to weigh in on a general election which has no bearing on their parliament? That's a bit like saying binmen should stop emptying bins and weigh in on why the grounds men have plants the daffodils in the middle of the roundabout. | |||
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"But not voting for the SNP because you don't like sturgeon is like not getting on a lifeboat because you don't like the captain Nothing will ever change in Scotland if we don't get independence our vote and voices count for nothing just now " I'm not convinced by the arguments for independence. Never have been. There are far too many holes in it and the 'let's just do it and see' view doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather have a real plan with real numbers. But there is no one out there willing to do that because it will show ALL sides are liars and they are all wearing rose coloured glasses. As far as complaining our votes and voices don't count - by that reckoning maybe we should cancel all elections and just have a dictator sitting on a throne made of cheese instead. Every vote counts. It's called democracy. Unfortunately too many people can't respect the outcome and cry wolf if something doesn't go their way. As I've said before, i don't like any politician as I think they are all in it for themselves. I just wish they would shut up and actually do what they were elected to do in the first place. Oh, hang on, if the MSPs don't do their jobs because they're focused on the general election and a second indyref, does that mean that NONE of the votes cast in the last Scottish election or the voices that called for the Scottish government to make things better count either? | |||
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"To be honest, I cannot see any good the current Scottish government has done. They have near ruined the farming community, the local Elected candidates both backed the closure of our local hospital. Which by the way now relies on women who are in labour making a 120 mile trip to Inverness to have their babies. In dangerous conditions in winter. They have also backed large scale windmills to be constructed all over our local area and have never once supported the workforce who work in the nuclear industry within our area who are now facing redundancy. And yes I voted for SNP the last time, but if the politicians started to take an actual look at what was actually going on in the country they represent then we might just have a chance. " Shhhhhhh That would mean they are actually doing the job they were elected to | |||
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"As far as complaining our votes and voices don't count - by that reckoning maybe we should cancel all elections and just have a dictator sitting on a throne made of cheese instead We ain't far off this just now!! My point is We did vote...Scotland voted overwhelming to stay in the EU...what happend? Again England voted to leave...so we leave kicking and screaming Yes we can vote and we do...but it does not count in a general election England's vote will outnumber us everytime " But that wasn't a Scottish vote. It was a U.K. Vote. What about the indyref then? THAT was a Scottish vote. Voted for ONLY by Scottish voters. And yet people are also complaining about the outcome of that too. There's no point complaining about the English vote all the time. Especially since Scotland voted against independence | |||
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"Leaving aside the independence referendum , brexit, and the other parties aim to keep the UK as a whole , what do you see either a tory or labour government doing for scotland? How would they improve it ? Would they keep the free prescriptions, uni places etc ? Genuinely interested in how people think a different government would improve Scotland." What would they do for Scotland? Absolutely sweet FA. Just as they do for the rest of the country. Free prescriptions in Scotland are a Scottish government decision. | |||
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"As far as complaining our votes and voices don't count - by that reckoning maybe we should cancel all elections and just have a dictator sitting on a throne made of cheese instead We ain't far off this just now!! My point is We did vote...Scotland voted overwhelming to stay in the EU...what happend? Again England voted to leave...so we leave kicking and screaming Yes we can vote and we do...but it does not count in a general election England's vote will outnumber us everytime But that wasn't a Scottish vote. It was a U.K. Vote. What about the indyref then? THAT was a Scottish vote. Voted for ONLY by Scottish voters. And yet people are also complaining about the outcome of that too. There's no point complaining about the English vote all the time. Especially since Scotland voted against independence " Andy ..sorry but it was a Scottish vote...Scotland voted and it went the exact opposite what we voted And I will always be on about the indyref until it happens as I want a better future for my kids | |||
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"As far as complaining our votes and voices don't count - by that reckoning maybe we should cancel all elections and just have a dictator sitting on a throne made of cheese instead We ain't far off this just now!! My point is We did vote...Scotland voted overwhelming to stay in the EU...what happend? Again England voted to leave...so we leave kicking and screaming Yes we can vote and we do...but it does not count in a general election England's vote will outnumber us everytime But that wasn't a Scottish vote. It was a U.K. Vote. What about the indyref then? THAT was a Scottish vote. Voted for ONLY by Scottish voters. And yet people are also complaining about the outcome of that too. There's no point complaining about the English vote all the time. Especially since Scotland voted against independence Andy ..sorry but it was a Scottish vote...Scotland voted and it went the exact opposite what we voted And I will always be on about the indyref until it happens as I want a better future for my kids " confused how did it go the opposite?....the bit andy is missing out is (it would be something else if it wasnt this) the warcry for another indy vote is because indy supporters claim its being dragged kicking and screaming out the eu which creates a diffrent landscape to when the vote happened and we were a happy eu member | |||
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"To be honest, I cannot see any good the current Scottish government has done. They have near ruined the farming community, the local Elected candidates both backed the closure of our local hospital. Which by the way now relies on women who are in labour making a 120 mile trip to Inverness to have their babies. In dangerous conditions in winter. They have also backed large scale windmills to be constructed all over our local area and have never once supported the workforce who work in the nuclear industry within our area who are now facing redundancy. And yes I voted for SNP the last time, but if the politicians started to take an actual look at what was actually going on in the country they represent then we might just have a chance. " This is the sort of stuff which puzzles me about the SNP. They are supposedly the champions of Scotland, but they are potentially wrecking one of our greatest industries, tourism, by putting up wind turbines all over the place. If anybody should be supporting the more isolated parts of the country, it's the SNP, but instead they're shutting hospitals in them. And have we such short memories that we forget the farm subsidy shambles? Surely we can expect much better from the SNP than what they have served up to us. | |||
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"But not voting for the SNP because you don't like sturgeon is like not getting on a lifeboat because you don't like the captain Nothing will ever change in Scotland if we don't get independence our vote and voices count for nothing just now I'm not convinced by the arguments for independence. Never have been. There are far too many holes in it and the 'let's just do it and see' view doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather have a real plan with real numbers. But there is no one out there willing to do that because it will show ALL sides are liars and they are all wearing rose coloured glasses. As far as complaining our votes and voices don't count - by that reckoning maybe we should cancel all elections and just have a dictator sitting on a throne made of cheese instead. Every vote counts. It's called democracy. Unfortunately too many people can't respect the outcome and cry wolf if something doesn't go their way. As I've said before, i don't like any politician as I think they are all in it for themselves. I just wish they would shut up and actually do what they were elected to do in the first place. Oh, hang on, if the MSPs don't do their jobs because they're focused on the general election and a second indyref, does that mean that NONE of the votes cast in the last Scottish election or the voices that called for the Scottish government to make things better count either? " For an Englishman, your talking some sense, Andy!! | |||
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"As far as complaining our votes and voices don't count - by that reckoning maybe we should cancel all elections and just have a dictator sitting on a throne made of cheese instead We ain't far off this just now!! My point is We did vote...Scotland voted overwhelming to stay in the EU...what happend? Again England voted to leave...so we leave kicking and screaming Yes we can vote and we do...but it does not count in a general election England's vote will outnumber us everytime But that wasn't a Scottish vote. It was a U.K. Vote. What about the indyref then? THAT was a Scottish vote. Voted for ONLY by Scottish voters. And yet people are also complaining about the outcome of that too. There's no point complaining about the English vote all the time. Especially since Scotland voted against independence Andy ..sorry but it was a Scottish vote...Scotland voted and it went the exact opposite what we voted And I will always be on about the indyref until it happens as I want a better future for my kids confused how did it go the opposite?....the bit andy is missing out is (it would be something else if it wasnt this) the warcry for another indy vote is because indy supporters claim its being dragged kicking and screaming out the eu which creates a diffrent landscape to when the vote happened and we were a happy eu member" the bit where Scotland did not vote to leave the EU | |||
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"As far as complaining our votes and voices don't count - by that reckoning maybe we should cancel all elections and just have a dictator sitting on a throne made of cheese instead We ain't far off this just now!! My point is We did vote...Scotland voted overwhelming to stay in the EU...what happend? Again England voted to leave...so we leave kicking and screaming Yes we can vote and we do...but it does not count in a general election England's vote will outnumber us everytime But that wasn't a Scottish vote. It was a U.K. Vote. What about the indyref then? THAT was a Scottish vote. Voted for ONLY by Scottish voters. And yet people are also complaining about the outcome of that too. There's no point complaining about the English vote all the time. Especially since Scotland voted against independence " Hear hear!! | |||
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"To be honest, I cannot see any good the current Scottish government has done. They have near ruined the farming community, the local Elected candidates both backed the closure of our local hospital. Which by the way now relies on women who are in labour making a 120 mile trip to Inverness to have their babies. In dangerous conditions in winter. They have also backed large scale windmills to be constructed all over our local area and have never once supported the workforce who work in the nuclear industry within our area who are now facing redundancy. And yes I voted for SNP the last time, but if the politicians started to take an actual look at what was actually going on in the country they represent then we might just have a chance. This is the sort of stuff which puzzles me about the SNP. They are supposedly the champions of Scotland, but they are potentially wrecking one of our greatest industries, tourism, by putting up wind turbines all over the place. If anybody should be supporting the more isolated parts of the country, it's the SNP, but instead they're shutting hospitals in them. And have we such short memories that we forget the farm subsidy shambles? Surely we can expect much better from the SNP than what they have served up to us." So what do you expect a different scottish government to deliver? What will they do for us, no point just shouting about what the current government do wrong , they do plenty wrong but also do a lot of good , so what will a new government bring to the table ? | |||
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"To be honest, I cannot see any good the current Scottish government has done. They have near ruined the farming community, the local Elected candidates both backed the closure of our local hospital. Which by the way now relies on women who are in labour making a 120 mile trip to Inverness to have their babies. In dangerous conditions in winter. They have also backed large scale windmills to be constructed all over our local area and have never once supported the workforce who work in the nuclear industry within our area who are now facing redundancy. And yes I voted for SNP the last time, but if the politicians started to take an actual look at what was actually going on in the country they represent then we might just have a chance. This is the sort of stuff which puzzles me about the SNP. They are supposedly the champions of Scotland, but they are potentially wrecking one of our greatest industries, tourism, by putting up wind turbines all over the place. If anybody should be supporting the more isolated parts of the country, it's the SNP, but instead they're shutting hospitals in them. And have we such short memories that we forget the farm subsidy shambles? Surely we can expect much better from the SNP than what they have served up to us. So what do you expect a different scottish government to deliver? What will they do for us, no point just shouting about what the current government do wrong , they do plenty wrong but also do a lot of good , so what will a new government bring to the table ?" Well it would be a good idea to see what Brexit brings, for a start. | |||
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"As far as complaining our votes and voices don't count - by that reckoning maybe we should cancel all elections and just have a dictator sitting on a throne made of cheese instead We ain't far off this just now!! My point is We did vote...Scotland voted overwhelming to stay in the EU...what happend? Again England voted to leave...so we leave kicking and screaming Yes we can vote and we do...but it does not count in a general election England's vote will outnumber us everytime But that wasn't a Scottish vote. It was a U.K. Vote. What about the indyref then? THAT was a Scottish vote. Voted for ONLY by Scottish voters. And yet people are also complaining about the outcome of that too. There's no point complaining about the English vote all the time. Especially since Scotland voted against independence Andy ..sorry but it was a Scottish vote...Scotland voted and it went the exact opposite what we voted And I will always be on about the indyref until it happens as I want a better future for my kids " I want a better future for my kids too. But not one of them can tell me how. And I'm sorry, the EU referendum was not a Scottish vote, it was a UK vote. | |||
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"To be honest, I cannot see any good the current Scottish government has done. They have near ruined the farming community, the local Elected candidates both backed the closure of our local hospital. Which by the way now relies on women who are in labour making a 120 mile trip to Inverness to have their babies. In dangerous conditions in winter. They have also backed large scale windmills to be constructed all over our local area and have never once supported the workforce who work in the nuclear industry within our area who are now facing redundancy. And yes I voted for SNP the last time, but if the politicians started to take an actual look at what was actually going on in the country they represent then we might just have a chance. This is the sort of stuff which puzzles me about the SNP. They are supposedly the champions of Scotland, but they are potentially wrecking one of our greatest industries, tourism, by putting up wind turbines all over the place. If anybody should be supporting the more isolated parts of the country, it's the SNP, but instead they're shutting hospitals in them. And have we such short memories that we forget the farm subsidy shambles? Surely we can expect much better from the SNP than what they have served up to us. So what do you expect a different scottish government to deliver? What will they do for us, no point just shouting about what the current government do wrong , they do plenty wrong but also do a lot of good , so what will a new government bring to the table ? Well it would be a good idea to see what Brexit brings, for a start." As i said previously disregarding brexit independence and the eu. This is about what party can do the best by the scottish people . The day to day running of the country. As in my mind this is what this election should be about. | |||
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"What a load of bull - dear oh dear.... Scotland has more than a fair share of voice in Westminster and its own executive in Scotland . The spending given by Westminster per person is more than the rest of the U.K gets and also more than Scotland generates, so the UK Subsidies this country profoundly! We would worse off outside of the U.K. Union without any doubt Always a hard luck story that this nation is oppressed which could not be further from the truth. Only hatred and a Scottish of bleak inferiority drives these delusion of "freeeeedom"... " and there you have it... GIVEN BY WESTMINSTER | |||
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"What a load of bull - dear oh dear.... Scotland has more than a fair share of voice in Westminster and its own executive in Scotland . The spending given by Westminster per person is more than the rest of the U.K gets and also more than Scotland generates, so the UK Subsidies this country profoundly! We would worse off outside of the U.K. Union without any doubt Always a hard luck story that this nation is oppressed which could not be further from the truth. Only hatred and a Scottish of bleak inferiority drives these delusion of "freeeeedom"... " Ok then if we are such a drain on the UK economy and the tories are hell bent on further austerity why in hell wouldnt they want to cut us free ...the rUk would be better off wouldnt they?? or am i missing something as for your point about hatred ......REALLY!!!!! Your going with that arguement | |||
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"The SNP are not the answer! Then what is .... " That is the best question I've seen - Thing is, as I keep saying, all politicians are in it for themselves. There is no answer to the question until a party is created that is willing to fight for its young, old and sick alike. | |||
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"As far as complaining our votes and voices don't count - by that reckoning maybe we should cancel all elections and just have a dictator sitting on a throne made of cheese instead We ain't far off this just now!! My point is We did vote...Scotland voted overwhelming to stay in the EU...what happend? Again England voted to leave...so we leave kicking and screaming Yes we can vote and we do...but it does not count in a general election England's vote will outnumber us everytime But that wasn't a Scottish vote. It was a U.K. Vote. What about the indyref then? THAT was a Scottish vote. Voted for ONLY by Scottish voters. And yet people are also complaining about the outcome of that too. There's no point complaining about the English vote all the time. Especially since Scotland voted against independence Andy ..sorry but it was a Scottish vote...Scotland voted and it went the exact opposite what we voted And I will always be on about the indyref until it happens as I want a better future for my kids confused how did it go the opposite?....the bit andy is missing out is (it would be something else if it wasnt this) the warcry for another indy vote is because indy supporters claim its being dragged kicking and screaming out the eu which creates a diffrent landscape to when the vote happened and we were a happy eu memberthe bit where Scotland did not vote to leave the EU" while I understand what your saying it was never an issue of the ind ref it was stay or go simple.there was no clauses for either side. so when the decision was reached to remain part of the uk you have to accept the uks vote to leave. Flip things on its head ind ref 2 goes ahead and it swings should there be another ind ref because the minority dont agree with leaving the eu of course there shouldnt. So why is it diffrent to the independant shouters. This is what I dont get acceptance is needed of the fact the majority dont want independance and are happy to vote as the uk on the whole. | |||
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"Yes I welcome paying for private health and university fees, I also look forward to a reduction in NI contributions to compensate. I would rather pay for what I use than subsidise all the proletariat!" So your reduction in contributions would be greater that what you would pay for university fees and healthcare ? And do you think another party in government would reduce your contributions ? | |||
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"Yes I welcome paying for private health and university fees, I also look forward to a reduction in NI contributions to compensate. I would rather pay for what I use than subsidise all the proletariat!" Until you're really ill and the bill reaches all you can afford or insurance won't cover an existing condition. Then you're fucked. Or you watch a relative or friend who can't afford health care die and suffer with no dignity. Not so 'I'm all right Jack' then. I know folks in the states who are being pursued for around $50k for an appendix op because the insurance they had only covered to a basic level. That the kind of society we should be living in? | |||
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"Yes I welcome paying for private health and university fees, I also look forward to a reduction in NI contributions to compensate. I would rather pay for what I use than subsidise all the proletariat! Until you're really ill and the bill reaches all you can afford or insurance won't cover an existing condition. Then you're fucked. Or you watch a relative or friend who can't afford health care die and suffer with no dignity. Not so 'I'm all right Jack' then. I know folks in the states who are being pursued for around $50k for an appendix op because the insurance they had only covered to a basic level. That the kind of society we should be living in? " Some people welcome that unfair society, what better way to keep the peasants in line.. cant afford healthcare...just die then ..and god forbid a highly gift child from a low earning family would want to go to university. Thank god the majority of scotland strive for a fair society and dont just want jobs for the boys | |||
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"Yes I welcome paying for private health and university fees, I also look forward to a reduction in NI contributions to compensate. I would rather pay for what I use than subsidise all the proletariat! Until you're really ill and the bill reaches all you can afford or insurance won't cover an existing condition. Then you're fucked. Or you watch a relative or friend who can't afford health care die and suffer with no dignity. Not so 'I'm all right Jack' then. I know folks in the states who are being pursued for around $50k for an appendix op because the insurance they had only covered to a basic level. That the kind of society we should be living in? Some people welcome that unfair society, what better way to keep the peasants in line.. cant afford healthcare...just die then ..and god forbid a highly gift child from a low earning family would want to go to university. Thank god the majority of scotland strive for a fair society and dont just want jobs for the boys " | |||
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"The SNP are not the answer! Then what is .... That is the best question I've seen - Thing is, as I keep saying, all politicians are in it for themselves. There is no answer to the question until a party is created that is willing to fight for its young, old and sick alike. To me that is what snp are doing " No, they aren't. They are busy pushing for independence and their own agenda. Whether that be for gain or just to enshrine their names in to history I don't know. And I don't care. I've never been a fan of any political party but I wish John Smith hadn't died so young. I felt he could have done great things for the U.K. as a whole. | |||
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"The SNP are not the answer! Then what is .... That is the best question I've seen - Thing is, as I keep saying, all politicians are in it for themselves. There is no answer to the question until a party is created that is willing to fight for its young, old and sick alike. To me that is what snp are doing No, they aren't. They are busy pushing for independence and their own agenda. Whether that be for gain or just to enshrine their names in to history I don't know. And I don't care. I've never been a fan of any political party but I wish John Smith hadn't died so young. I felt he could have done great things for the U.K. as a whole. " John Smith would have made a great P.M. | |||
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"Sad to see that no one can come up with reasons to vote for an alternative government. SNP might not be the best , but they are the best scotland has at moment. Until the status quo changes and other parties can deliver , my vote will go to SNP. Will never vote for a party who favours the minority of the rich and continues to make life so unfair for the majority of the working class." | |||
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