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Yeh the no smoking on hospital grounds only seems to apply to staff. Yet patients are seen as close to the entrances as they can be since they are still in their PJs or worse standing propped up by the stand for their drips  |
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To be fair some people find smoking to be their only coping mechanism in stressful situations. Yes it goes against common sense to use something damaging to your health to deal with health issues but that's addiction for you. |
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I always (plus I do understand the coping mechanism side. Know more fellow medical professionals that smoke due to this than patients) found it a little disappointing and disrespectful.
Not that they are smoking. However, on more than one occasion I've been to the royal Glasgow and found a pregnant women try and avoid people smoking outside while waiting for a taxi. Simply as there is no where for her to stand.
Lost a rather nice umbrella to that pregnant women. Plus was arguing with an obviously very sick man who took this gift as me judging him for smoking. Which didn't make me feel very good |
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I think they need to have designated smoking areas. I used to work with a lady who used a wheelchair and was hospitalized for quite some time. She had been mostly bed bound for a few years and her only pleasure was smoking.
Whilst in hospital she had to wait for her once daily visit from her son to go for a cigarette. The nurses could push her in her chair to the garden at the end of the ward but weren't allowed to take her out the door at the other end where she could smoke. |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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I don't smoke.
Never even tried it.
But, if people wish to smoke that's their choice.
However, it would be nice if they didn't do it at the entrance to a hospital as non smokers have to use that entrance and as someone already said, that include pregnant women.
So, maybe, just maybe, those smokers could show a little more consideration for others and just move a few feet away from the door.
Oh, and just for the record, if everyone stopped smoking tomorrow....how much tax would we lose?? My guess is more than those smokers cost the NHS  |
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"I think they need to have designated smoking areas. I used to work with a lady who used a wheelchair and was hospitalized for quite some time. She had been mostly bed bound for a few years and her only pleasure was smoking.
Whilst in hospital she had to wait for her once daily visit from her son to go for a cigarette. The nurses could push her in her chair to the garden at the end of the ward but weren't allowed to take her out the door at the other end where she could smoke. "
I do agree. However, most cases there is a smoking area but there is a need to get wet while raining or is a distance which some patients feel uncomfortable with.
Glasgow royal, is incredibly poorly designed. Plus doesn't help that the staff also sneak one in while trying to avoid patients. A perception thing.
However, there is also a perceived if I'm ill or under the impression I'm going to die I'll have a smoke and to hell with the consequences. Which sadly might not be just to them. |
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"I don't smoke.
Never even tried it.
But, if people wish to smoke that's their choice.
However, it would be nice if they didn't do it at the entrance to a hospital as non smokers have to use that entrance and as someone already said, that include pregnant women.
So, maybe, just maybe, those smokers could show a little more consideration for others and just move a few feet away from the door.
Oh, and just for the record, if everyone stopped smoking tomorrow....how much tax would we lose?? My guess is more than those smokers cost the NHS "
Last point. It's actually not. Due to the known affects of smoking most heavy smokers don't get checked till later now. Which is counter productive and intuitive. Later detection. Higher cost.
Has to be a way to deal with this |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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There is a way to deal with this....
BAN EVERYTHING even remotely bad for us or unhealthy for us or fattening or or or or...
Wait a minute.....
What a boring life. 
Why not let people do what they want as long as they accept the consequences of their own actions?
Radical huh?  |
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"I think they need to have designated smoking areas. I used to work with a lady who used a wheelchair and was hospitalized for quite some time. She had been mostly bed bound for a few years and her only pleasure was smoking.
Whilst in hospital she had to wait for her once daily visit from her son to go for a cigarette. The nurses could push her in her chair to the garden at the end of the ward but weren't allowed to take her out the door at the other end where she could smoke. "
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Let's all bash the smokers, I mean the d*unks that clog up a&e are clearly ok, just the smokers.
If people want to smoke fine, smoke away from the entrances be respectful.
Today's culture of hating on smokers gets on my tits |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"Let's all bash the smokers, I mean the d*unks that clog up a&e are clearly ok, just the smokers.
If people want to smoke fine, smoke away from the entrances be respectful.
Today's culture of hating on smokers gets on my tits"
But it's not just the smokers these days.
It's the drinkers.
It's the eaters. (Yeah I know, not exactly the right term)
We bash everything if we don't approve.
Next we will be bashing the fornicaters. |
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"There is a way to deal with this....
BAN EVERYTHING even remotely bad for us or unhealthy for us or fattening or or or or...
Wait a minute.....
What a boring life.
Why not let people do what they want as long as they accept the consequences of their own actions?
Radical huh? "
Oh, you anarchist, whatever next.
Eat fatty food
Drink Alcohol
Have sex
What sort of world are you trying to create!!!!!!!!!!!
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By (user no longer on site)
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It wouldn't be lost tax as the money not spent on tobacco would be spent on other stuff - which would be taxed. At a different rate, perhaps, but then any profit made by anyone else is also taxed. And so on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Give them a Jag, that will stop smoking in hospital grounds
I'm willing to start smoking IF I can have the new Jag sports convertible "
Can i be your chauffeur???  |
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"Let's all bash the smokers, I mean the d*unks that clog up a&e are clearly ok, just the smokers.
If people want to smoke fine, smoke away from the entrances be respectful.
Today's culture of hating on smokers gets on my tits"
Could criticise the fatties like me who stop at the hospital shop and cafe for calorie laden snacks, just as unhealthy as smokers and obesity is as big as a drain on resources.
As usual unless it affects you personally try not to let it bother you what others do! |
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Non smoker now but for the haters think of the stench as you slap deodarant on or waft that greasy pie where all can smell. Or when you believe your being truely hilarious as your d*unken drivel is spouted.or you polute the air with your gas guzzling car to pick up the weans from school barely a mile away.or as you board a plane..... ya get the drift its people who smoke for a reason most hospitals ive been to have multuple doors of entry which can be many metres wide. Smokers tend to congregate in one area if its that bad just move to the next door. |
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I think the difference between drink/ obesity and smoking is smoking is not just inflicted on yourself ... you dont breathe in other peoples alcohol or fat food ... but you pretty much have no choice but to walk through a cloud of snoke from people stood at hospital doors because they havent been provided a proper smoking area |
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i used to smoke gave up last year but for the people claiming stress releif or a coping mechanisim to smoke a cigarette is complete nonsense a cigarette will increase the blood presure it constricts blood vesels and also makes you ainxious. after just one cigarette its just feeding an addiction that gives you a sense of satisfaction also whilist on thetopic of smoking i think anyone who sells an underager cigarettes.or goes into the shop for youths sould face a prison sentance not a fine. |
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So if smoking is a choice, a known choice that creates disease and kills, should the tax payer (especially non smoking tax payers) need to foot the bill for treatment to cure said disease/illness caused when it is a choice that doesn't need to be taken?
Not bashing smokers just thinking that if you choose to smoke then its also your responsibility to pay for your own health treatment when you end up with disease or illness directly caused by smoking...
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"So if smoking is a choice, a known choice that creates disease and kills, should the tax payer (especially non smoking tax payers) need to foot the bill for treatment to cure said disease/illness caused when it is a choice that doesn't need to be taken?
Not bashing smokers just thinking that if you choose to smoke then its also your responsibility to pay for your own health treatment when you end up with disease or illness directly caused by smoking...
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Same for people who eat unhealthily and are overweight, drink, take part in sports etc then? It's their choice to do those things too. Hate smoker bashing, and I'm not even a smoker |
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"So if smoking is a choice, a known choice that creates disease and kills, should the tax payer (especially non smoking tax payers) need to foot the bill for treatment to cure said disease/illness caused when it is a choice that doesn't need to be taken?
Not bashing smokers just thinking that if you choose to smoke then its also your responsibility to pay for your own health treatment when you end up with disease or illness directly caused by smoking...
Same for people who eat unhealthily and are overweight, drink, take part in sports etc then? It's their choice to do those things too. Hate smoker bashing, and I'm not even a smoker"
If your examples create illness, disease and death (as smoking does)... then yes.
Why should the society who take care of themselves or lead a healthier lifestyle, because of all the benefits associated with being healthy, have to financially pay for those who have a complete disregard for their own health and take their bodies for granted clearly making choices that are detrimental to their health...? |
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"So if smoking is a choice, a known choice that creates disease and kills, should the tax payer (especially non smoking tax payers) need to foot the bill for treatment to cure said disease/illness caused when it is a choice that doesn't need to be taken?
Not bashing smokers just thinking that if you choose to smoke then its also your responsibility to pay for your own health treatment when you end up with disease or illness directly caused by smoking...
Same for people who eat unhealthily and are overweight, drink, take part in sports etc then? It's their choice to do those things too. Hate smoker bashing, and I'm not even a smoker
If your examples create illness, disease and death (as smoking does)... then yes.
Why should the society who take care of themselves or lead a healthier lifestyle, because of all the benefits associated with being healthy, have to financially pay for those who have a complete disregard for their own health and take their bodies for granted clearly making choices that are detrimental to their health...?"
I have no children, why should I have to pay for schools so others children can be educated.
I don't use illegal hard drugs, why should I pay for rehabilitation programmes and feeding users addictions.
There are other examples where as a caring society we take care of others.
Obviously you, being perfect without any flaws care not about your fellow man, only for your money |
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"I think the difference between drink/ obesity and smoking is smoking is not just inflicted on yourself ... you dont breathe in other peoples alcohol or fat food ... but you pretty much have no choice but to walk through a cloud of snoke from people stood at hospital doors because they havent been provided a proper smoking area "
but anything you do around people is inflicted upon them. Driving is a massive one cars spout out way more toxicity than a pack of ciggies but because folk see driving as neccesary its all good.
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"Non smoker now but for the haters think of the stench as you slap deodarant on or waft that greasy pie where all can smell. Or when you believe your being truely hilarious as your d*unken drivel is spouted.or you polute the air with your gas guzzling car to pick up the weans from school barely a mile away.or as you board a plane..... ya get the drift its people who smoke for a reason most hospitals ive been to have multuple doors of entry which can be many metres wide. Smokers tend to congregate in one area if its that bad just move to the next door."
Voice of reason |
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"I think the difference between drink/ obesity and smoking is smoking is not just inflicted on yourself ... you dont breathe in other peoples alcohol or fat food ... but you pretty much have no choice but to walk through a cloud of snoke from people stood at hospital doors because they havent been provided a proper smoking area but anything you do around people is inflicted upon them. Driving is a massive one cars spout out way more toxicity than a pack of ciggies but because folk see driving as neccesary its all good. "
I dont see the fact that because one thing negative exists that acts as validation to ignore everything else that has a negative impact
By that logic i could say ... there are people out there robbing vaults so i can just dip this till ... its a much smaller impact so it makes it ok |
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I also wasnt bashing the smokers ... my original comment did say the problem is they havent been provided with an appropriate smoking area ... a small change with a big difference |
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"I think the difference between drink/ obesity and smoking is smoking is not just inflicted on yourself ... you dont breathe in other peoples alcohol or fat food ... but you pretty much have no choice but to walk through a cloud of snoke from people stood at hospital doors because they havent been provided a proper smoking area but anything you do around people is inflicted upon them. Driving is a massive one cars spout out way more toxicity than a pack of ciggies but because folk see driving as neccesary its all good.
I dont see the fact that because one thing negative exists that acts as validation to ignore everything else that has a negative impact
By that logic i could say ... there are people out there robbing vaults so i can just dip this till ... its a much smaller impact so it makes it ok "
its not about it being ok its about tolerance. do you really think smokers dont know its detrimental to their health of course they do. That said they made a choice to smoke same as a driver chooses to drive. But the smoking bashing goes on yet other detrimental practices are ok as it suits folk. thats what im driving at.i actually dont believe in the smoking ban its a removal of sorts of free will. |
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"Find it ironic every time i go by a hospital and see so many people outside the entrance smoking next to a "no smoking" sign.. Complete disregard for health  "
aye..standing next to the heavy boozers n other drug addicts!! |
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"Let's all bash the smokers, I mean the d*unks that clog up a&e are clearly ok, just the smokers.
If people want to smoke fine, smoke away from the entrances be respectful.
Today's culture of hating on smokers gets on my tits"
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"So if smoking is a choice, a known choice that creates disease and kills, should the tax payer (especially non smoking tax payers) need to foot the bill for treatment to cure said disease/illness caused when it is a choice that doesn't need to be taken?
Not bashing smokers just thinking that if you choose to smoke then its also your responsibility to pay for your own health treatment when you end up with disease or illness directly caused by smoking...
Same for people who eat unhealthily and are overweight, drink, take part in sports etc then? It's their choice to do those things too. Hate smoker bashing, and I'm not even a smoker
If your examples create illness, disease and death (as smoking does)... then yes.
Why should the society who take care of themselves or lead a healthier lifestyle, because of all the benefits associated with being healthy, have to financially pay for those who have a complete disregard for their own health and take their bodies for granted clearly making choices that are detrimental to their health...?"
What a ridiculous statement! So if someone breaks their leg while playing football then thats ok? But they chose to do it, a sport with physical contact and a known chance of injury by playing.
What about the guy who goes out jogging every day lead a healthy life and then suffers a massive heart attack, is it ok to treat him? But jogging is known to put a strain on the body and he willingly chose to do it. What if he got hit by a car while out jogging? It was his choice...
I cold go on but you get the point. The NHS exits to treat all manner of people and just because someone leads a healthy lifestyle doesn't guarantee they won't need treatment. |
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"So if smoking is a choice, a known choice that creates disease and kills, should the tax payer (especially non smoking tax payers) need to foot the bill for treatment to cure said disease/illness caused when it is a choice that doesn't need to be taken?
Not bashing smokers just thinking that if you choose to smoke then its also your responsibility to pay for your own health treatment when you end up with disease or illness directly caused by smoking...
Same for people who eat unhealthily and are overweight, drink, take part in sports etc then? It's their choice to do those things too. Hate smoker bashing, and I'm not even a smoker
If your examples create illness, disease and death (as smoking does)... then yes.
Why should the society who take care of themselves or lead a healthier lifestyle, because of all the benefits associated with being healthy, have to financially pay for those who have a complete disregard for their own health and take their bodies for granted clearly making choices that are detrimental to their health...?
I have no children, why should I have to pay for schools so others children can be educated.
I don't use illegal hard drugs, why should I pay for rehabilitation programmes and feeding users addictions.
There are other examples where as a caring society we take care of others.
Obviously you, being perfect without any flaws care not about your fellow man, only for your money"
Im offering a simple point of view to the debate.
Clearly hit a nerve causing you to bring the tone down with sacasim.
However to respond to your comment in a more adult manner, I can see why you would say that about kids and schooling. However I dont disagree with that. I don't see schooling as a detrimental thing. Nor does is create illness from a choice.
My point is, or more so my question is should we pay for someones treatment for illness and disease when it is self inflicted by choice?
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"So if smoking is a choice, a known choice that creates disease and kills, should the tax payer (especially non smoking tax payers) need to foot the bill for treatment to cure said disease/illness caused when it is a choice that doesn't need to be taken?
Not bashing smokers just thinking that if you choose to smoke then its also your responsibility to pay for your own health treatment when you end up with disease or illness directly caused by smoking...
Same for people who eat unhealthily and are overweight, drink, take part in sports etc then? It's their choice to do those things too. Hate smoker bashing, and I'm not even a smoker
If your examples create illness, disease and death (as smoking does)... then yes.
Why should the society who take care of themselves or lead a healthier lifestyle, because of all the benefits associated with being healthy, have to financially pay for those who have a complete disregard for their own health and take their bodies for granted clearly making choices that are detrimental to their health...?
What a ridiculous statement! So if someone breaks their leg while playing football then thats ok? But they chose to do it, a sport with physical contact and a known chance of injury by playing.
What about the guy who goes out jogging every day lead a healthy life and then suffers a massive heart attack, is it ok to treat him? But jogging is known to put a strain on the body and he willingly chose to do it. What if he got hit by a car while out jogging? It was his choice...
I cold go on but you get the point. The NHS exits to treat all manner of people and just because someone leads a healthy lifestyle doesn't guarantee they won't need treatment."
Really you're going to compare running putting a 'strain' on the body to smoking which kills, causes cancer and other illnesses!?!?
My original point stands. If the choice is proven to kill and creates illness then should society be responsible for this persons choice.
I don't see how running or playing sport is proven to cause illness, disease or death. However accidents do happen, yes "accidents" an external factor. Im pretty sure the guy running or playing football didn't choose to break his leg or have a heart attack. |
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"So if smoking is a choice, a known choice that creates disease and kills, should the tax payer (especially non smoking tax payers) need to foot the bill for treatment to cure said disease/illness caused when it is a choice that doesn't need to be taken?
Not bashing smokers just thinking that if you choose to smoke then its also your responsibility to pay for your own health treatment when you end up with disease or illness directly caused by smoking...
Same for people who eat unhealthily and are overweight, drink, take part in sports etc then? It's their choice to do those things too. Hate smoker bashing, and I'm not even a smoker
If your examples create illness, disease and death (as smoking does)... then yes.
Why should the society who take care of themselves or lead a healthier lifestyle, because of all the benefits associated with being healthy, have to financially pay for those who have a complete disregard for their own health and take their bodies for granted clearly making choices that are detrimental to their health...?
I have no children, why should I have to pay for schools so others children can be educated.
I don't use illegal hard drugs, why should I pay for rehabilitation programmes and feeding users addictions.
There are other examples where as a caring society we take care of others.
Obviously you, being perfect without any flaws care not about your fellow man, only for your money
Im offering a simple point of view to the debate.
Clearly hit a nerve causing you to bring the tone down with sacasim.
However to respond to your comment in a more adult manner, I can see why you would say that about kids and schooling. However I dont disagree with that. I don't see schooling as a detrimental thing. Nor does is create illness from a choice.
My point is, or more so my question is should we pay for someones treatment for illness and disease when it is self inflicted by choice?
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The Zealot is offended by contradiction.
Go, look after your money, I'm sure it comforts you while the rest of us care about human beings |
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