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"How to deal with unruly kids or not ??
My view is, they do need to be dealt with but not convinced suspending them is the answer,
Any thoughts ? "
Tie them up by there toes, and suspend them from nearest tree. and let the other kids throw rotten eggs at them .
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"How to deal with unruly kids or not ??
My view is, they do need to be dealt with but not convinced suspending them is the answer,
Any thoughts ?
Tie them up by there toes, and suspend them from nearest tree. and let the other kids throw rotten eggs at them .
(is that to severe ?) "
only cos that's what you would like done to you kinkypants |
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Am going to be awkward... Again... But it would depend on what they had done. And if they were regular offenders.
In general, I am for no suspension as they just end up messing about in the streets but defo a 'detention' room, time out, away from others.
But again that would require resources and schools don't have spare rooms and teachers/assistant to cover that.
And by experience, some kids can be unruly with one teacher and not another. So always an idea to go to the root of the problem before using the suspension option
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"Am going to be awkward... Again... But it would depend on what they had done. And if they were regular offenders.
In general, I am for no suspension as they just end up messing about in the streets but defo a 'detention' room, time out, away from others.
But again that would require resources and schools don't have spare rooms and teachers/assistant to cover that.
And by experience, some kids can be unruly with one teacher and not another. So always an idea to go to the root of the problem before using the suspension option
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I agree max, the problem (I think) is the parents, as in this case. These kids are running about the street at midnight and beyond and the youngest is in p2, just think its unfair to the kid missing out on important school work. |
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"How to deal with unruly kids or not ??
My view is, they do need to be dealt with but not convinced suspending them is the answer,
Any thoughts ?
Tie them up by there toes, and suspend them from nearest tree. and let the other kids throw rotten eggs at them .
(is that to severe ?) only cos that's what you would like done to you kinkypants "
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Repeat offenders are often suspended several times before finally being expelled.
No child should have their class room education disrupted buy unruly children .
The education system is not going to offer baby sitting services for those who think it okay to do this .
The bottom line is it falls to the parents to get to the bottom of why their child is behaving in such a way and try to resolve it by making them see it wrong .
So yes i think the education departments are quite right to suspend or expel children like this .
Im sure these decisions are never taken lightly and if pupils or teachers feel threatened then its the right decision to make . |
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Disciplining a child is always difficult and unique to the child as punishment to one will not always be punishment to another. I agree suspension is not the answer... I was lucky with mine they always responded to reason... and remaoval of privilages like going out with friends, no toys, early to bet etc... oh and I made them watch the news too - that worked a treat |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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If you can get to the root of the problem like Max said, then quite often it can be the simplest of things to fix.
However, for a few persistent offenders that's not always going to be the case. Whilst I don't think suspension would help - it does stop them from disrupting the education of the other kids.
Solution? More resources for schools. Which costs money.
Some kids don't do well in an academic environment but will flourish if put into a practical skilled environment.
Where I used to work we had a few kids from my sons high school who were seriously struggling but they came to us, spent a couple of days a week with us for a couple of months and flourished. It built their confidence up and showed them that if they applied themselves they would get rewarded.
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"Am going to be awkward... Again... But it would depend on what they had done. And if they were regular offenders.
In general, I am for no suspension as they just end up messing about in the streets but defo a 'detention' room, time out, away from others.
But again that would require resources and schools don't have spare rooms and teachers/assistant to cover that.
And by experience, some kids can be unruly with one teacher and not another. So always an idea to go to the root of the problem before using the suspension option
I agree max, the problem (I think) is the parents, as in this case. These kids are running about the street at midnight and beyond and the youngest is in p2, just think its unfair to the kid missing out on important school work."
Absolutely but at the same time. It is also unfair on the teacher and the other kids that are trying to work and achieve something to have to cope with their behaviour! Hence why i think a time out in the school would be good but resources are gone!
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"How to deal with unruly kids or not ??
My view is, they do need to be dealt with but not convinced suspending them is the answer,
Any thoughts ? "
Again all depends on the circumstances and if detention, guidance councelling, family mediation had failed. The school has a duty of responsibility to the other school children to ensure their education and safety is not affected . |
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"Am going to be awkward... Again... But it would depend on what they had done. And if they were regular offenders.
In general, I am for no suspension as they just end up messing about in the streets but defo a 'detention' room, time out, away from others.
But again that would require resources and schools don't have spare rooms and teachers/assistant to cover that.
And by experience, some kids can be unruly with one teacher and not another. So always an idea to go to the root of the problem before using the suspension option
I agree max, the problem (I think) is the parents, as in this case. These kids are running about the street at midnight and beyond and the youngest is in p2, just think its unfair to the kid missing out on important school work.
Absolutely but at the same time. It is also unfair on the teacher and the other kids that are trying to work and achieve something to have to cope with their behaviour! Hence why i think a time out in the school would be good but resources are gone!
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"There has to be consequences to their actions ..but i do not agree with depriving them of an education "
but aint they depriving other kids in the class of valuble education time being disruptive ? |
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"If you can get to the root of the problem like Max said, then quite often it can be the simplest of things to fix.
However, for a few persistent offenders that's not always going to be the case. Whilst I don't think suspension would help - it does stop them from disrupting the education of the other kids.
Solution? More resources for schools. Which costs money.
Some kids don't do well in an academic environment but will flourish if put into a practical skilled environment.
Where I used to work we had a few kids from my sons high school who were seriously struggling but they came to us, spent a couple of days a week with us for a couple of months and flourished. It built their confidence up and showed them that if they applied themselves they would get rewarded.
Just suspending them only puts the problem on pause - it doesn't solve it "
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Some kids don't do well in an academic environment but will flourish if put into a practical skilled environment.
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 Absolutely. And that is where all our great French bread bakers are coming from!
They took the practical option at age 14! And are they failures? no!
Not everyone has to go to Uni!
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Some kids don't do well in an academic environment but will flourish if put into a practical skilled environment.
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Absolutely. And that is where all our great French bread bakers are coming from!
They took the practical option at age 14! And are they failures? no!
Not everyone has to go to Uni!
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We need more thinking like this Max |
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Some kids don't do well in an academic environment but will flourish if put into a practical skilled environment.
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Absolutely. And that is where all our great French bread bakers are coming from!
They took the practical option at age 14! And are they failures? no!
Not everyone has to go to Uni!
We need more thinking like this Max "
Abso, my friend, a girl, at 14 took mechanic option, she is now the owner of her own big car dealership and garage back at home. Am so happy for her as she was struggling at school. But that was her path |
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"If you can get to the root of the problem like Max said, then quite often it can be the simplest of things to fix.
However, for a few persistent offenders that's not always going to be the case. Whilst I don't think suspension would help - it does stop them from disrupting the education of the other kids.
Solution? More resources for schools. Which costs money.
Some kids don't do well in an academic environment but will flourish if put into a practical skilled environment.
Where I used to work we had a few kids from my sons high school who were seriously struggling but they came to us, spent a couple of days a week with us for a couple of months and flourished. It built their confidence up and showed them that if they applied themselves they would get rewarded.
Just suspending them only puts the problem on pause - it doesn't solve it "
This
I have taught in what would be classed as a 'practical skills' subject and had what were known as 'Network Kids' who weren't flourishing in an academic environment. They came to us and it could be a complete turn around - hands on and less emphasis on the academic worked brilliantly for some
Lack of opportunity and resources was a bigger issue across the spectrum though |
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"By the way Lil... I really thought this was gonna be about summat else...  yes I know ye would ya na_gh_y br__ks
I just had a roll and bacon... it was durty...
Go and confess this instant lol "
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"The problem as I see it is there are no options and punishment in varting degrees is needed.The biggest problem is alot view it as a badge of honour."
You're spot on there. Kids walking around boasting about getting suspended or expelled. |
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"The problem as I see it is there are no options and punishment in varting degrees is needed.The biggest problem is alot view it as a badge of honour.
You're spot on there. Kids walking around boasting about getting suspended or expelled. "
Agreed!...when my kids were younger they had golden time for good behaviour on a Friday aftetnoon.
One boy used to say at lunch time that they wouldnt be getting golden time and sure enough that was often the case .
Some like to act up in front of their pals but get them alone and they are like scared little 2 yrs olds lol
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Depends what the punishment is when they are off school.....make them do work....no tv...no privilages-yes......let them lounge about like its a long weekend-no x |
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Going from past experience I don't think suspension on its own really works. I got suspended once I got a hard slap across the face and grounded for ages but for a lot of my friends suspension was something you got yourself as a sort of legal way to dog school.
Most there parents couldn't of given a crap if they were at school or not. I think in most not all cases when a child is in constant trouble at school then it has to be investigated. My son played up really bad and we were down his school a lot about his behaviour. My son's school was brilliant with him and after a few sit downs we found he was getting bullied really bad. We delt with it and he's never been in trouble since.
Saying all that though I agree with what others have said, well behaving pupils shouldn't have there education disrupted by someone else's behaviour so if suspension is used as a time out and to try get to the bottom of it I'm in favour. |
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Never understood why suspension is seen as a good idea, why on earth would you think giving a teenager a few days off school would teach them a lesson? When I was still in school extra days off were seen as a God send!
On a more sensible note, I don't see depriving them of classes for x amount of time as a very helpful thing. |
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By *mberbCouple
over a year ago
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Lets face it and get real here Most kids are little Bastards and need some old school punishment. Its the systems fault you cant do this or that to your kid or you will be prosecuted so kids do what they want when they want. Thank god mine are up and away. sorry for being so blunt lol  |
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"kids do what they want when they want.
Not in ma hoose they don't
If they know what's good for them "
And not in mine either
Poor behaviour has consequences 
I once confiscated my child's X-box for a month. He has come home from school to no X-box, laptop etc in his room anymore and knows I mean it if I do so because his behaviour isn't acceptable
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"Lets face it and get real here Most kids are little Bastards and need some old school punishment. Its the systems fault you cant do this or that to your kid or you will be prosecuted so kids do what they want when they want. Thank god mine are up and away. sorry for being so blunt lol "
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"kids do what they want when they want.
Not in ma hoose they don't
If they know what's good for them
And not in mine either
Poor behaviour has consequences
I once confiscated my child's X-box for a month. He has come home from school to no X-box, laptop etc in his room anymore and knows I mean it if I do so because his behaviour isn't acceptable
I am probably an ogre of a parent "
I do that too. They have privileges that get taken away.
Like I say to them. You act, I react in one way or the other |
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"kids do what they want when they want.
Not in ma hoose they don't
If they know what's good for them
And not in mine either
Poor behaviour has consequences
I once confiscated my child's X-box for a month. He has come home from school to no X-box, laptop etc in his room anymore and knows I mean it if I do so because his behaviour isn't acceptable
I am probably an ogre of a parent
I do that too. They have privileges that get taken away.
Like I say to them. You act, I react in one way or the other "
And he gets 'treats' for over and above good
But I taught kids who went home to cold and empty houses, empty cupboards, were in unwashed clothes and just seemed uncared for so sometimes there is a bigger reason for the behaviour  |
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I think that there should be district schools for those children who either skip school, or make life a living hell for the other students and the teachers. Take them out of the mainstream, away from the well behaved, decent kids and toss all the rotten eggs into one basket. Furthermore, make the couldnt-care-less arsehole parents who ALLOW this behaviour pay for it. Dock their wages, cut their benefits, because i can guarantee if it hurt the parent, the problem would stop. |
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"kids do what they want when they want.
Not in ma hoose they don't
If they know what's good for them
And not in mine either
Poor behaviour has consequences
I once confiscated my child's X-box for a month. He has come home from school to no X-box, laptop etc in his room anymore and knows I mean it if I do so because his behaviour isn't acceptable
I am probably an ogre of a parent
I do that too. They have privileges that get taken away.
Like I say to them. You act, I react in one way or the other
And he gets 'treats' for over and above good
But I taught kids who went home to cold and empty houses, empty cupboards, were in unwashed clothes and just seemed uncared for so sometimes there is a bigger reason for the behaviour "
Absolutely. A child was stealing in friends lunchboxes. When he was squeezed to find out why, school found out he was organising his evening meal. That broke my heart |
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A lot of it comes down many factors
Teachers in it for the hours not the actual love of educating.
Lack of knowledge in how to discipline
Lack of knowledge in aspects of mental and behavioural care.
Underfunding.
Some kids are just little shits, some have bad upbringing, some ain't taught respect.......but there are those with mental health issues such as adhd etc . |
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"A lot of it comes down many factors
Teachers in it for the hours not the actual love of educating.
Lack of knowledge in how to discipline
Lack of knowledge in aspects of mental and behavioural care.
Underfunding.
Some kids are just little shits, some have bad upbringing, some ain't taught respect.......but there are those with mental health issues such as adhd etc ."
And as for expulsion etc....it's not also the answer....it should all be child centred ...based on individuals circumstances and triggers need looked into. |
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"I think that there should be district schools for those children who either skip school, or make life a living hell for the other students and the teachers. Take them out of the mainstream, away from the well behaved, decent kids and toss all the rotten eggs into one basket. Furthermore, make the couldnt-care-less arsehole parents who ALLOW this behaviour pay for it. Dock their wages, cut their benefits, because i can guarantee if it hurt the parent, the problem would stop."
Why not putting them all in a room and throw away the key??  Sorry, I know it is your opinion.
But, some of those kids are 'decent', some need guidance, feel that someone cares about them, and given a chance.
Treating them like they are a disease will not help. You will only achieve for them to resent society, push them to be delinquents... and society has to deal with them anyway.
so why not deal with them now, when they are kids.
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"I think that there should be district schools for those children who either skip school, or make life a living hell for the other students and the teachers. Take them out of the mainstream, away from the well behaved, decent kids and toss all the rotten eggs into one basket. Furthermore, make the couldnt-care-less arsehole parents who ALLOW this behaviour pay for it. Dock their wages, cut their benefits, because i can guarantee if it hurt the parent, the problem would stop.
Why not putting them all in a room and throw away the key?? Sorry, I know it is your opinion.
But, some of those kids are 'decent', some need guidance, feel that someone cares about them, and given a chance.
Treating them like they are a disease will not help. You will only achieve for them to resent society, push them to be delinquents... and society has to deal with them anyway.
so why not deal with them now, when they are kids.
Thats my opinion "
Sounds like the days of institutions eh |
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"I think that there should be district schools for those children who either skip school, or make life a living hell for the other students and the teachers. Take them out of the mainstream, away from the well behaved, decent kids and toss all the rotten eggs into one basket. Furthermore, make the couldnt-care-less arsehole parents who ALLOW this behaviour pay for it. Dock their wages, cut their benefits, because i can guarantee if it hurt the parent, the problem would stop.
Why not putting them all in a room and throw away the key?? Sorry, I know it is your opinion.
But, some of those kids are 'decent', some need guidance, feel that someone cares about them, and given a chance.
Treating them like they are a disease will not help. You will only achieve for them to resent society, push them to be delinquents... and society has to deal with them anyway.
so why not deal with them now, when they are kids.
Thats my opinion
Sounds like the days of institutions eh "
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Parents attitudes have def changed over the years, and possibly half if not more the reason act up, not a fan of bringing back the belt, but I think kids were better behaved then and more respectful |
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"Parents attitudes have def changed over the years, and possibly half if not more the reason act up, not a fan of bringing back the belt, but I think kids were better behaved then and more respectful "
Kids are too aware that teachers cannot punish like they used to so they can get away with everything.....bit like the police too. |
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"Parents attitudes have def changed over the years, and possibly half if not more the reason act up, not a fan of bringing back the belt, but I think kids were better behaved then and more respectful
Kids are too aware that teachers cannot punish like they used to so they can get away with everything.....bit like the police too."
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"Parents attitudes have def changed over the years, and possibly half if not more the reason act up, not a fan of bringing back the belt, but I think kids were better behaved then and more respectful "
Unfortunately I have to agree with this. When I was at school a lot if us pushed our teachers to see how far we could get. Some were weak and we could get away with anything some we were terrified from and wouldn't dare even speak in class. Few years ago one of the teachers we were scared from got the shit kicked out of him by a girl. It was in the papers. Even the most crazy pupils amungst us would never of dared lay a hand on a teacher. |
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"Parents attitudes have def changed over the years, and possibly half if not more the reason act up, not a fan of bringing back the belt, but I think kids were better behaved then and more respectful "
Yes I agree. From some of the things that I have seen some parents give up their parental responsibilities to the school and rely on the school to teach everything to their kids from manners to Maths!
Parenting has changed, kids have changed and to be honest the teachers have changed too.
Let's not blame it all on the kids. I have seen/heard high school teachers disrespecting and putting down some of their students. Respect goes both ways!
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over a year ago
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"I think that there should be district schools for those children who either skip school, or make life a living hell for the other students and the teachers. Take them out of the mainstream, away from the well behaved, decent kids and toss all the rotten eggs into one basket. Furthermore, make the couldnt-care-less arsehole parents who ALLOW this behaviour pay for it. Dock their wages, cut their benefits, because i can guarantee if it hurt the parent, the problem would stop."
Disgusting opinion
Having worked with some of these kids
1. Get no attention at home/ care homes so any attention whether good or bad is welcomed by the poor souls.
2 some kids have had very troubled backgrounds actually sad more than anything.
3 kids are missed diagnosed with behavioural problems.
Could write a book but then why should I some folk have no understanding. |
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Suspension doesn't do anything except make the kids feel rejected, which in turn only causes more problems.
I was constantly suspended from school, teachers never try to help, anytime something happened in my school's I was instantly given the blame and suspended without question.
Anyhoo due to my experience in 2 primary schools every mainstream high school in north Lanarkshire rejected me, I literally wasn't aloud in any mainstream school.
Was forced to go to a behaviour school in Coatbridge where you'd get suspended for fartin without permission an then I went to a school in bathgate,
The school in bathgate didn't believe in suspension, whenever anyone acted up they TALK to us, make sure everything was ok at home, they acted like our friends instead of over bearing adults who think because their older that their better than us.
That school constantly had parents show up not to complain but to thank the teachers and staff for the change they caused in their kids, ma parents were there at least twice a month to thank them.
So I know from personal experience punishment doesn't work, it's the same as the prison system, it doesn't help anyone it just makes people worse. |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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There isn't a one size fits all solution.
Suffice to say, not all bad kids are bad...a few maybe. But it's how you reach them. How you get them to channel that energy. Shift that focus.
That's the hard part.
And yes, I do think that upbringing has a lot to do with it but again, it's not always the whole answer. |
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"I think that there should be district schools for those children who either skip school, or make life a living hell for the other students and the teachers. Take them out of the mainstream, away from the well behaved, decent kids and toss all the rotten eggs into one basket. Furthermore, make the couldnt-care-less arsehole parents who ALLOW this behaviour pay for it. Dock their wages, cut their benefits, because i can guarantee if it hurt the parent, the problem would stop.
Why not putting them all in a room and throw away the key?? Sorry, I know it is your opinion.
But, some of those kids are 'decent', some need guidance, feel that someone cares about them, and given a chance.
Treating them like they are a disease will not help. You will only achieve for them to resent society, push them to be delinquents... and society has to deal with them anyway.
so why not deal with them now, when they are kids.
Thats my opinion "
Back when I was a wee bastard they shipped the worst of us out one day a week to a great thing called RUTS (Rural & Urban Training Scheme) where once a month we got to go trial motorbiking 
Were taught basic bike maintenance and safety.
That was just the carrot to keep us going though lol
The other 3 days a month were spent doing team building exercises,talking about practical career options n stuff like that.
The kids that still acted like wee bastards were ignored n most of them soon realised that acting up wasn't getting them attention so bucked thier ideas up n began to take advantage of the opportunities afforded to them.
My mates were really jealous I got to rip about on motorbikes for being a little shit! |
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"kids do what they want when they want.
Not in ma hoose they don't
If they know what's good for them
And not in mine either
Poor behaviour has consequences
I once confiscated my child's X-box for a month. He has come home from school to no X-box, laptop etc in his room anymore and knows I mean it if I do so because his behaviour isn't acceptable
I am probably an ogre of a parent
I do that too. They have privileges that get taken away.
Like I say to them. You act, I react in one way or the other
And he gets 'treats' for over and above good
But I taught kids who went home to cold and empty houses, empty cupboards, were in unwashed clothes and just seemed uncared for so sometimes there is a bigger reason for the behaviour
Absolutely. A child was stealing in friends lunchboxes. When he was squeezed to find out why, school found out he was organising his evening meal. That broke my heart "
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Depends every individual case will be different. I know from personal experience my son was suspended from school in primary and labelled the bad child, but he wasn't properly supported etc for his individual needs. The more they did this, the more he acted out, to get away from school because he couldn't cope with the environment etc and he knew they would call me straight away and have him taken out.
With changes made to school because I fought with an outside support worker to get for my son. He's now in secondary school, with all appropriate help for his individual needs and never even had a punishment exercise never mind suspension. All his teachers say what a polite and well behaved child he is.
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No child should be able to disrupt a class. That is not a problem for the class. They need to be taken from the classroom. What happens out of there is of zero concern to the class. But burgers will always need flipping. |
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A crack over the knuckles with the edge of a ruler usually shuts them up unless they start blubbing. The cane of course, the worn gym shoe, or the miniature cricket bats given to those who score a century. They were all used on me repeatedly at school and didn't have the slightest effect. Was still a reprobate.
Funny enough I do enjoy a spanking to this day.
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