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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Ok before I start this isn't about any club in particular, nor is it about any specific individuals. I'm asking a question not giving an opinion so please don't take offence as it's not intended.
So say I own and run a venue which I use to put on events such as gangbangs, greedy girls, singles nights etc with playrooms designed for sex before privately and on show.
Women enter the club for free, men have to pay (I realise to attract men you need the women there). Because of this am I (almost by definition) operating a brother. Men are paying to enter a premises under the impression they have sex once onside.
And if this is the case are the women involved taking part in a form of prostitution (granted the financial gain may not be theirs but someone is making money from them having sex).
Can I just reiterate that I'm merely attempting to spark a debate, I don't want to destroy the Internet in the process and if your offended I'll apologise in advance, it's not intended. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've never been in a brothel, but from what I gathered, men go in, pay money, then pick the woman they want to sleep with?
This doesn't happen at a club. We personally don't go to have sex (weird, I know) we go to drink and enjoy company with friends we have made.
I am intreasted to know other people's opinions |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"a 2 week member and he`s asking these kinda questions..hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..strokes beard in wonder"
I've been on previously as I have stated on other threads and in the opening sentence of my profile. |
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"I've never been in a brothel, but from what I gathered, men go in, pay money, then pick the woman they want to sleep with?
This doesn't happen at a club. We personally don't go to have sex (weird, I know) we go to drink and enjoy company with friends we have made.
I am intreasted to know other people's opinions "
I have been to both CJ's and the shoebox. My main interest is being able to dress up in the company of others, to chat and become friends.
Sex is secondry if at all  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've never been in a brothel, but from what I gathered, men go in, pay money, then pick the woman they want to sleep with?
This doesn't happen at a club. We personally don't go to have sex (weird, I know) we go to drink and enjoy company with friends we have made.
I am intreasted to know other people's opinions "
I am the same go to socialise and meet people who I may want to play with at a later date.
So is my one who organises personal parties and charges to cover cost grouped in this as well?? X |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"a 2 week member and he`s asking these kinda questions..hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..strokes beard in wonder
I've been on previously as I have stated on other threads and in the opening sentence of my profile. "
Good for you.... its still a shitty post,its making my attention span fa......OH LOOK A SQUIRREL!!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"a 2 week member and he`s asking these kinda questions..hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..strokes beard in wonder
I've been on previously as I have stated on other threads and in the opening sentence of my profile.
Good for you.... its still a shitty post,its making my attention span fa......OH LOOK A SQUIRREL!!!"
You don't like it fine. Are you critical about every nee thread that doesn't interest you? |
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"I've never been in a brothel, but from what I gathered, men go in, pay money, then pick the woman they want to sleep with?
This doesn't happen at a club. We personally don't go to have sex (weird, I know) we go to drink and enjoy company with friends we have made.
I am intreasted to know other people's opinions
I am the same go to socialise and meet people who I may want to play with at a later date.
So is my one who organises personal parties and charges to cover cost grouped in this as well?? X"
Hi Suzie. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Hell of a lot of hypotheses and assumptions with an undercurrent self righteousness
Your point is??????"
I'm not attempting to make a point, the lack of personal opinions in my posy should allude to that. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"i think it would depend on the people running the club wither i would class it as a brothel or not in some form..."
Well the question was more aimed at the running of a club rather than its patrons. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Hell of a lot of hypotheses and assumptions with an undercurrent self righteousness
Your point is??????
I'm not attempting to make a point, the lack of personal opinions in my posy should allude to that."
Thought to actually debate that then thought pointless just like you claim your op was |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Hell of a lot of hypotheses and assumptions with an undercurrent self righteousness
Your point is??????
I'm not attempting to make a point, the lack of personal opinions in my posy should allude to that.
Thought to actually debate that then thought pointless just like you claim your op was"
Ok thanks for the input. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm interested to know why folk get soooo defensive when the word money is used...
As someone who's been to cjs a few times over the yrs I find I'd rather pay for a nice hotel and arrange a meet myself than pay someone to stand in their house and watch mostly flowers I wouldn't have sex with walk about in the undies...
Just my opinion
I can see where the OP is comming from but in a brothel you pay for sex...in these clubs your not garenteed sex...but still have to pay.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In all honesty... I'm just ragin I didn't think of it to begin with! What a fucking good way to make money!
And before anyone moans..you can't tell me you've never thought about it! Hats off to anyone that has actually stepped upto the mark and has a club!  |
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"i think it would depend on the people running the club wither i would class it as a brothel or not in some form...
Well the question was more aimed at the running of a club rather than its patrons."
true but i think it comes into play when fees are involved especially if women can attend for free, even if men have to pay 2/3 times more they shouldn't IMHO lol
free entry for all! :D |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In all honesty... I'm just ragin I didn't think of it to begin with! What a fucking good way to make money!
And before anyone moans..you can't tell me you've never thought about it! Hats off to anyone that has actually stepped upto the mark and has a club! "
I CAN say its never entered my head. Ty  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Iv no problem with clubs as obviously there's a market..it's the charging everyone different I can't stand why charge a guy different from a woman and then charge guys more than a cpl??? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Iv no problem with clubs as obviously there's a market..it's the charging everyone different I can't stand why charge a guy different from a woman and then charge guys more than a cpl???"
Because it's a money making exercise? If it was about covering costs charge everyone £5 rather than charging guys £20 or £30, no?
Which leads back to my original question, is it by definition a brothel? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No because as I said earlier..a brothel your paying for garenteed sex...
In a club your still paying but not garenteed sex
Its a money making scheme yes...not a brothel
In my opinion |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"No because as I said earlier..a brothel your paying for garenteed sex...
In a club your still paying but not garenteed sex
Its a money making scheme yes...not a brothel
In my opinion "
Thanks, that's the kind of thought provoking response I was hoping for. Glad to see there are some adults on this adult portal. |
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Sorry will sound stupid but hey stupidity doesnt kill 
just as well lol
If you are talking about Clubs. Yes Men/Women/Couples pay to come in, it is a business after all... but sex is not guaranteed and I think most people going to a Club understand that.
You mentioned prostitutes on another thread, women in clubs have free will and do not receive money if they do happen to have sex with someone attending.
And Clubs are businesses I have no issue them making money for providing a service, which service is not to guarantee sex to people attending.
I am a French speaker so I hope this makes sense. If it doesnt, am happy sitting in the corner eating my M&Ms lol
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"No because as I said earlier..a brothel your paying for garenteed sex...
In a club your still paying but not garenteed sex
Its a money making scheme yes...not a brothel
In my opinion
Thanks, that's the kind of thought provoking response I was hoping for. Glad to see there are some adults on this adult portal."
That you spitting your dummy out.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Sorry will sound stupid but hey stupidity doesnt kill
just as well lol
If you are talking about Clubs. Yes Men/Women/Couples pay to come in, it is a business after all... but sex is not guaranteed and I think most people going to a Club understand that.
You mentioned prostitutes on another thread, women in clubs have free will and do not receive money if they do happen to have sex with someone attending.
And Clubs are businesses I have no issue them making money for providing a service, which service is not to guarantee sex to people attending.
I am a French speaker so I hope this makes sense. If it doesnt, am happy sitting in the corner eating my M&Ms lol
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Makes perfect sense, although I didn't say the women were prostitutes more that the club owners making money from them were possibly inadvertently treating them as prostitutes. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"No because as I said earlier..a brothel your paying for garenteed sex...
In a club your still paying but not garenteed sex
Its a money making scheme yes...not a brothel
In my opinion
Thanks, that's the kind of thought provoking response I was hoping for. Glad to see there are some adults on this adult portal.
That you spitting your dummy out.
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Obviously not no, but the knives were out before I asked my question which acts alot about certain people. |
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I think the problem of not being able to see the difference is the inability to differentiate a sex worker and a swinger. A brothel is a place one might go to pay to have sex with a prostitute (or an expensive and questionable massage...) whereas a sex club is a place to go to meet like-minded sexually liberal people.
In a brothel, just as in a sex club, you might pay a fee to the club for the running and upkeep. The difference is thereafter where in a brothel you'd then pay a sex worker to have sex with you (they then will likely pay some of that back to the brothel for bringing the work to them) but in a sex club any person who has sex with you does so because they want to (and you want to).
The gender-based price disparity is a different issue and is just simple economics, I don't know why people continue to complain about it. |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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The gender-based price disparity is a different issue and is just simple economics, I don't know why people continue to complain about it. "
Exactly no-one is forced to go to these clubs ..if you dont like the price structure simply dont go  |
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The gender-based price disparity is a different issue and is just simple economics, I don't know why people continue to complain about it.
Exactly no-one is forced to go to these clubs ..if you dont like the price structure simply dont go "
Exactly. |
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"Sorry will sound stupid but hey stupidity doesnt kill
just as well lol
If you are talking about Clubs. Yes Men/Women/Couples pay to come in, it is a business after all... but sex is not guaranteed and I think most people going to a Club understand that.
You mentioned prostitutes on another thread, women in clubs have free will and do not receive money if they do happen to have sex with someone attending.
And Clubs are businesses I have no issue them making money for providing a service, which service is not to guarantee sex to people attending.
I am a French speaker so I hope this makes sense. If it doesnt, am happy sitting in the corner eating my M&Ms lol
Makes perfect sense, although I didn't say the women were prostitutes more that the club owners making money from them were possibly inadvertently treating them as prostitutes. "
This thread moves way too fast for me  . I don't think club owners are exploiting anyone (or pimping them), just filling a gap in a market like any other business if they're running it that way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No because as I said earlier..a brothel your paying for garenteed sex...
In a club your still paying but not garenteed sex
Its a money making scheme yes...not a brothel
In my opinion
Thanks, that's the kind of thought provoking response I was hoping for. Glad to see there are some adults on this adult portal.
That you spitting your dummy out.
Obviously not no, but the knives were out before I asked my question which acts alot about certain people. "
no clue about that...forum cli..oops sorry politics have no interest to me |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"No because as I said earlier..a brothel your paying for garenteed sex...
In a club your still paying but not garenteed sex
Its a money making scheme yes...not a brothel
In my opinion
Thanks, that's the kind of thought provoking response I was hoping for. Glad to see there are some adults on this adult portal.
That you spitting your dummy out.
Obviously not no, but the knives were out before I asked my question which acts alot about certain people. no clue about that...forum cli..oops sorry politics have no interest to me "
Careful now! |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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I think if the club incentivises or pays for females to be there to attract fee paying guys, a brothel.
If they don't, it's their business model to do as they see fit. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I think if the club incentivises or pays for females to be there to attract fee paying guys, a brothel.
If they don't, it's their business model to do as they see fit. "
Well that is something we will never know. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So if you meet and go to a hotel and the man pays, does that make the hotel a brothel?
You are paying for the accommodation at a club. Not what happens there in"
That's not a very good analogy though is it. |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"I think if the club incentivises or pays for females to be there to attract fee paying guys, a brothel.
If they don't, it's their business model to do as they see fit. "
And as the clubs aren't paying the women to have sex with the male patrons, then it's not a brothel.
The owners are merely filling a gap in the market and making a few bob profit at the same time.
OP - would you run a club on a not for profit basis of it was your main source of income and had invested a lot of time and money into it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I know ur not guaranteed sex at clubs but even you were, even if it was a 100% certainty that I'd have sex at a club I still wouldn't go. Sex is good just not worth paying for, but my problem with it is wether women get in for free or at a low cost I think it's shocking guys have to pay more.
I've had this argument before on fab about why guys pay more but to me it's not fair, equality and all that malarkey |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"So if you meet and go to a hotel and the man pays, does that make the hotel a brothel?
You are paying for the accommodation at a club. Not what happens there in
That's not a very good analogy though is it."
Oh I don't know, it's quite a good analogy to be honest |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think if the club incentivises or pays for females to be there to attract fee paying guys, a brothel.
If they don't, it's their business model to do as they see fit.
And as the clubs aren't paying the women to have sex with the male patrons, then it's not a brothel.
The owners are merely filling a gap in the market and making a few bob profit at the same time.
OP - would you run a club on a not for profit basis of it was your main source of income and had invested a lot of time and money into it? "
No idea, I would need to first work out a way to always guarantee there were single women in attendance wouldn't I? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sorry will sound stupid but hey stupidity doesnt kill
just as well lol
If you are talking about Clubs. Yes Men/Women/Couples pay to come in, it is a business after all... but sex is not guaranteed and I think most people going to a Club understand that.
You mentioned prostitutes on another thread, women in clubs have free will and do not receive money if they do happen to have sex with someone attending.
And Clubs are businesses I have no issue them making money for providing a service, which service is not to guarantee sex to people attending.
I am a French speaker so I hope this makes sense. If it doesnt, am happy sitting in the corner eating my M&Ms lol
Makes perfect sense, although I didn't say the women were prostitutes more that the club owners making money from them were possibly inadvertently treating them as prostitutes. "
Are you Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage???? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Wow 2 threads full of this lol
Yaaaaaaawn controversialy not that controversial your questions don't have substance of what you imply , running costs contribution to any private club is normal in all walks of life regardless of what kind of club wether it's women's institute, golf, church group . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Wow 2 threads full of this lol
Yaaaaaaawn controversialy not that controversial your questions don't have substance of what you imply , running costs contribution to any private club is normal in all walks of life regardless of what kind of club wether it's women's institute, golf, church group . "
I'm not trying to be controversial, and yes running costs are fine but why limit the paying of these running costs to one gender? |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"I think if the club incentivises or pays for females to be there to attract fee paying guys, a brothel.
If they don't, it's their business model to do as they see fit.
And as the clubs aren't paying the women to have sex with the male patrons, then it's not a brothel.
The owners are merely filling a gap in the market and making a few bob profit at the same time.
OP - would you run a club on a not for profit basis of it was your main source of income and had invested a lot of time and money into it?
No idea, I would need to first work out a way to always guarantee there were single women in attendance wouldn't I?"
And there you go, they have no guarantee that women will attend either. They may choose to invite some to attend and incentivize them by giving them reduced or free entry but it's still no guarantee that women will attend.
I think with most clubs it's about the reputation of the place. If it's got a good reputation amongst frequent users then more women and MF couples will use it. |
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By *atmanhMan
over a year ago
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"Wow 2 threads full of this lol
Yaaaaaaawn controversialy not that controversial your questions don't have substance of what you imply , running costs contribution to any private club is normal in all walks of life regardless of what kind of club wether it's women's institute, golf, church group .
I'm not trying to be controversial, and yes running costs are fine but why limit the paying of these running costs to one gender?"
It's the same with most internet site's
Women don't pay |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"Wow 2 threads full of this lol
Yaaaaaaawn controversialy not that controversial your questions don't have substance of what you imply , running costs contribution to any private club is normal in all walks of life regardless of what kind of club wether it's women's institute, golf, church group .
I'm not trying to be controversial, and yes running costs are fine but why limit the paying of these running costs to one gender?"
Because that's basic economics 101.
Supply and demand.
Supply - there are very few clubs
Demand - lots of men want to go to clubs in the hope that they MAY have sex
Answer - set up a club and charge men more because they are willing to pay.
If men weren't willing to pay so much, costs would inevitably come down. |
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"Wow 2 threads full of this lol
Yaaaaaaawn controversialy not that controversial your questions don't have substance of what you imply , running costs contribution to any private club is normal in all walks of life regardless of what kind of club wether it's women's institute, golf, church group .
I'm not trying to be controversial, and yes running costs are fine but why limit the paying of these running costs to one gender?
Because that's basic economics 101.
Supply and demand.
Supply - there are very few clubs
Demand - lots of men want to go to clubs in the hope that they MAY have sex
Answer - set up a club and charge men more because they are willing to pay.
If men weren't willing to pay so much, costs would inevitably come down. "
Oui Andy |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"Wow 2 threads full of this lol
Yaaaaaaawn controversialy not that controversial your questions don't have substance of what you imply , running costs contribution to any private club is normal in all walks of life regardless of what kind of club wether it's women's institute, golf, church group .
I'm not trying to be controversial, and yes running costs are fine but why limit the paying of these running costs to one gender?
Because that's basic economics 101.
Supply and demand.
Supply - there are very few clubs
Demand - lots of men want to go to clubs in the hope that they MAY have sex
Answer - set up a club and charge men more because they are willing to pay.
If men weren't willing to pay so much, costs would inevitably come down.
Oui Andy"
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By (user no longer on site)
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I would say that if sex is guaranteed no matter what then it's a brothel.
If however it is not guaranteed then the pricing is a calculated marketing gimmick to capitalise on the demand |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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"Wow 2 threads full of this lol
Yaaaaaaawn controversialy not that controversial your questions don't have substance of what you imply , running costs contribution to any private club is normal in all walks of life regardless of what kind of club wether it's women's institute, golf, church group .
I'm not trying to be controversial, and yes running costs are fine but why limit the paying of these running costs to one gender?
Because that's basic economics 101.
Supply and demand.
Supply - there are very few clubs
Demand - lots of men want to go to clubs in the hope that they MAY have sex
Answer - set up a club and charge men more because they are willing to pay.
If men weren't willing to pay so much, costs would inevitably come down.
Oui Andy
God...that was very adult of me "
Now THAT is a first |
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"Wow 2 threads full of this lol
Yaaaaaaawn controversialy not that controversial your questions don't have substance of what you imply , running costs contribution to any private club is normal in all walks of life regardless of what kind of club wether it's women's institute, golf, church group .
I'm not trying to be controversial, and yes running costs are fine but why limit the paying of these running costs to one gender?
Because that's basic economics 101.
Supply and demand.
Supply - there are very few clubs
Demand - lots of men want to go to clubs in the hope that they MAY have sex
Answer - set up a club and charge men more because they are willing to pay.
If men weren't willing to pay so much, costs would inevitably come down.
Oui Andy
God...that was very adult of me
Now THAT is a first "
Naw he's been adult before just dosn't admit to it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would say that if sex is guaranteed no matter what then it's a brothel.
If however it is not guaranteed then the pricing is a calculated marketing gimmick to capitalise on the demand"
I would agree with this, but addressing the elephant in the room....if a club advertises and guarantees hostesses who entertain the guests and they get paid to do so...surely that changes it from a club to something else? No?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I would say that if sex is guaranteed no matter what then it's a brothel.
If however it is not guaranteed then the pricing is a calculated marketing gimmick to capitalise on the demand
I would agree with this, but addressing the elephant in the room....if a club advertises and guarantees hostesses who entertain the guests and they get paid to do so...surely that changes it from a club to something else? No? "
Question based on that point.
How does a "greedy girls" event work? Surely they have to be guaranteed that x amount of women will definitely be there for the event to be viable, if it went ahead and no women turned up that would be the end of the venue wouldn't it. |
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I would agree with this, but addressing the elephant in the room....if a club advertises and guarantees hostesses who entertain the guests and they get paid to do so...surely that changes it from a club to something else? No?
Question based on that point.
How does a "greedy girls" event work? Surely they have to be guaranteed that x amount of women will definitely be there for the event to be viable, if it went ahead and no women turned up that would be the end of the venue wouldn't it."
Just as if there wasn't a horde of men for the women to devour the night would be equally as unsuccessful.
To the earlier point, unless the hostesses are paid to have sex with the clientele it's at worst a maid cafe. You still need sex workers to run a brothel. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Brothels they are not Pruvate Clubs they most definitely are
However, to run a Private Sex Club and charge anyone money one must first obtain a special sex licence similar to a lap dancing club. Without a licence it is not a Club but a Private Party.
These licenses are obtainable from your local authority, brothels are illegal regardless.
Some can argue that charging for a Private Party is a bit cheeky as well especially the inflated prices that cover a helluva lot more than expenses.
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