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"Leave leave leave We give too much away to the Eu Over 250 million every week Look after your own before you look after others My Moto Ermm... din't let facts get in. the way of your blood oressure being raised by the media. Please vote leave " | |||
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"You keep referring to the UK. I'm more interested in Scotland. "I am interested in Scotland as a SNP member and was involved in a lot of work with the Independence campaign, but as much as I am a SNP member, I disagree with the SNP on this issue and I have already placed my Leave vote | |||
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"You keep referring to the UK. I'm more interested in Scotland." Eh after the referendum last year is Scotland not still part of the UK | |||
"You keep referring to the UK. I'm more interested in Scotland. Eh after the referendum last year is Scotland not still part of the UK"
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"If we leave the EU, will this have any effect on potential Scottish independence? Just wondering what other people think? " Totally. 10% difference is alot of people but I reckon it would swing it the other way personally x | |||
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"It benefits England and fucks us totally. We should get out, push for a referendum and then join again lol " We voted no the last time do we really need to go through all that rubbish again | |||
"If we leave the EU, will this have any effect on potential Scottish independence? Just wondering what other people think? " everything political will have an effect on scottish independance. | |||
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"It benefits England and fucks us totally. We should get out, push for a referendum and then join again lol " How so? Sounds like you've been listening to Nat propoganda. | |||
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"Not intrest in anything to do with the eu to be perfectly honest imo its done us no good and just created problems we need to be in charge of our own country and not ask the permission of others if we can do anything" That would be a good point if it wasn't factually completely wrong. The EU provides countless things. Not least protection for Unions and Human Rights and ensuring things like clean air acts. Oh and a 40 hr working week. And Holidays. And paid maternity leave. I'm not for one minute saying it's prefect, but I for one do not want to leave things like workers rights in the hands of people like Michael fucking Gove and Boris Johnson. | |||
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"Sorry we can make those policys ourselves the eu has imo caused nothing but strife ffs a cucumber has to conform to the eu " We could yes, but do you honestly think the Tories would? As for the silly cucumber and straight banana stories, they are lies. They came from reports written by an EU correspondent who was sacked by his newspaper when his lies were uncovered. His name? Why it was Boris Johnson. | |||
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"Sorry we can make those policys ourselves the eu has imo caused nothing but strife ffs a cucumber has to conform to the eu " No, cucumbers dont need to conform to the EU. There used to be guidelines for the categorising of them according to size and quality, but those guidelines are no longer in use. | |||
"Ok, so if we leave, will we become trading partners like we were when it was the old EEC? But without the extra laws and costs that are associated with the EU? "Not quite, we would need to negotiate a deal similair to Norway or Switzerland, which would mean still forking over billions each year and accepting most EU laws,rules and regs. However we would not get a seat at the table when the laws, rules and regs are being decided. | |||
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"Ok, so if we leave, will we become trading partners like we were when it was the old EEC? But without the extra laws and costs that are associated with the EU?
Not quite, we would need to negotiate a deal similair to Norway or Switzerland, which would mean still forking over billions each year and accepting most EU laws,rules and regs. However we would not get a seat at the table when the laws, rules and regs are being decided."that would be down to us negotiating we wouldnt have to accept anything the eu say. also it wouldnt happen ocernight there is a cooling period of two yrs to get these issues settled. Everything would hinge on what was negotiated | |||
"Ok, so if we leave, will we become trading partners like we were when it was the old EEC? But without the extra laws and costs that are associated with the EU?
Not quite, we would need to negotiate a deal similair to Norway or Switzerland, which would mean still forking over billions each year and accepting most EU laws,rules and regs. However we would not get a seat at the table when the laws, rules and regs are being decided."See, that's what I don't get. Why do they still pay in? We didn't before the EEC became the EU. So why should we now? | |||
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"Ok, so if we leave, will we become trading partners like we were when it was the old EEC? But without the extra laws and costs that are associated with the EU?
Not quite, we would need to negotiate a deal similair to Norway or Switzerland, which would mean still forking over billions each year and accepting most EU laws,rules and regs. However we would not get a seat at the table when the laws, rules and regs are being decided.
See, that's what I don't get. Why do they still pay in? We didn't before the EEC became the EU. So why should we now? "Their baw, their rules basicly. If we want the advantages of being part of their trading block, we would need to accept it (assuming we vote to leave). | |||
"The UK faces a "triple whammy of woe" - including footing an extra £2.4bn bill from Brussels - if it remains part of the EU The UK will face a bigger bill because of budget increases in Brussels, future eurozone bailouts, and a "£20bn black hole" in the EU finances . the UK will be "forced to hand over even more money" if voters opt to stay in the EU in the 23 June referendum . so? should we stay or should we Go? ." Haven't you already posted this? | |||
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"If we leave then the housing market will crash due to eu citizens being kicked out, which will trigger another economic crisis." Or, there could be a boom, due to all the expats spread around the EU being told to f' off back where they came from   | |||
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"Sorry we can make those policys ourselves the eu has imo caused nothing but strife ffs a cucumber has to conform to the eu We could yes, but do you honestly think the Tories would? As for the silly cucumber and straight banana stories, they are lies. They came from reports written by an EU correspondent who was sacked by his newspaper when his lies were uncovered. His name? Why it was Boris Johnson. " I thought that the Conservative party polled more seats that any other party at the last general election. They must be doing most things rigbt , otherwise they would not have been voted into office . | |||
"Sorry we can make those policys ourselves the eu has imo caused nothing but strife ffs a cucumber has to conform to the eu We could yes, but do you honestly think the Tories would? As for the silly cucumber and straight banana stories, they are lies. They came from reports written by an EU correspondent who was sacked by his newspaper when his lies were uncovered. His name? Why it was Boris Johnson. I thought that the Conservative party polled more seats that any other party at the last general election. They must be doing most things rigbt , otherwise they would not have been voted into office ." Yeah getting in bed with Rupert Murdoch and arranging a media blitz of labour, then pushing really hard against Ed Milliband who wasn't really cut for labour leader. | |||
"Sorry we can make those policys ourselves the eu has imo caused nothing but strife ffs a cucumber has to conform to the eu We could yes, but do you honestly think the Tories would? As for the silly cucumber and straight banana stories, they are lies. They came from reports written by an EU correspondent who was sacked by his newspaper when his lies were uncovered. His name? Why it was Boris Johnson. I thought that the Conservative party polled more seats that any other party at the last general election. They must be doing most things rigbt , otherwise they would not have been voted into office . Yeah getting in bed with Rupert Murdoch and arranging a media blitz of labour, then pushing really hard against Ed Milliband who wasn't really cut for labour leader." The Tories lied very well If you check EU laws that are enforced over the uk they aren't ridiculous as the Brexit folk make out. Although they did let in member states when they shouldn't have and when a uk law contradicts a EU law, the EU law prevails. So just have to ponder that abit more | |||
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"Scotland and the U.K. may take a hit financially upon leaving the eu but I've always thought it was more about whether we remain an independent sovereign country or be subordinate to a supra entity of highly dubious democratic ways. " The highly dubious is highly likely and highly paid too | |||
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"Forget the high politics of this as ALL politicians lie. Probably over simplistic but the nearest analogy I can think of You can't change or affect the rules of a club you're not a member of, but, as you want to use the club they'll charge whatever visitors fees and apply whatever visitor rules they like. Isn't it better to be a member working to get the rules to where you'd like them to be?" you talking about golf? and the female members vote | |||
"Forget the high politics of this as ALL politicians lie. Probably over simplistic but the nearest analogy I can think of You can't change or affect the rules of a club you're not a member of, but, as you want to use the club they'll charge whatever visitors fees and apply whatever visitor rules they like. Isn't it better to be a member working to get the rules to where you'd like them to be?" conversely you could think the clubs full of w***kers and want no part of it  | |||
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" Basically I'm voting remain because I'm not stupid. " So are you saying that us who think the UK can prosper on our own and wish to leave ARE stupid (by your comment phrase above) ? | |||
" Basically I'm voting remain because I'm not stupid. So are you saying that us who think the UK can prosper on our own and wish to leave ARE stupid (by your comment phrase above) ?" If you think the UK can prosper, flourish, and become anything the even resembles 'Socially Just', then yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. | |||
" Basically I'm voting remain because I'm not stupid. So are you saying that us who think the UK can prosper on our own and wish to leave ARE stupid (by your comment phrase above) ? If you think the UK can prosper, flourish, and become anything the even resembles 'Socially Just', then yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. " then you lack education & knowledge, or perhaps you have far too much of both that you lack common sense have a nice day now; (if you can put up with all us fools that is) | |||
" Basically I'm voting remain because I'm not stupid. So are you saying that us who think the UK can prosper on our own and wish to leave ARE stupid (by your comment phrase above) ? If you think the UK can prosper, flourish, and become anything the even resembles 'Socially Just', then yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. then you lack education & knowledge, or perhaps you have far too much of both that you lack common sense have a nice day now; (if you can put up with all us fools that is) "I have knowledge and common sense... I also have empathy. Should I apologise for not fitting in with the government's capitalist system? | |||
" Basically I'm voting remain because I'm not stupid. So are you saying that us who think the UK can prosper on our own and wish to leave ARE stupid (by your comment phrase above) ? If you think the UK can prosper, flourish, and become anything the even resembles 'Socially Just', then yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. then you lack education & knowledge, or perhaps you have far too much of both that you lack common sense have a nice day now; (if you can put up with all us fools that is)
I have knowledge and common sense... I also have empathy.
Should I apologise for not fitting in with the government's capitalist system?
"No but you should appologise to everyone you consider and call stupid just because they share a different view from you, that is, if you are man enough | |||
"I just find it ironic that the people who voted no in the Indyref are voting yes to Brexot and quoting from the same SNP propaganda they ridiculed in 2014 " Theres a lot of it around | |||
" Basically I'm voting remain because I'm not stupid. So are you saying that us who think the UK can prosper on our own and wish to leave ARE stupid (by your comment phrase above) ? If you think the UK can prosper, flourish, and become anything the even resembles 'Socially Just', then yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. then you lack education & knowledge, or perhaps you have far too much of both that you lack common sense have a nice day now; (if you can put up with all us fools that is)
I have knowledge and common sense... I also have empathy.
Should I apologise for not fitting in with the government's capitalist system?
No but you should appologise to everyone you consider and call stupid just because they share a different view from you, that is, if you are man enough "I wasn't calling everyone stupid for voting to leave... just the vast majority for wanting to leave given their reasoning for it. And apologising for having an opinion wouldn't make me any more of a man than I already am.
Besides, the only people who could be offended by me calling them stupid are stupid people, and if they're stupid then me calling them stupid shouldn't offend them as it's fact.
Look at the people trying to convince us to vote leave, then look at the people telling us to remain... now ask yourself which side is the more sensible side.
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"So you have basically compI led a list of half truths, hearsay, utter nonsense, tory quotes and right wing immigration pish to form your argument for the biggest vote of your lifetime... What would happen to the millions of British economic migrants living and working across mainland Europe or living out their retirementheory in Spain etc? ***Perhaps they would return to Britain and prop up our own economy rather than the EU**** What would happen to our economy if migrant workers weren't allowed to work here? ***Wages would go up for the UK lower paid**** but ofcourse you already know that Farming subsidies? Where are they coming from? There's nothing in place just yet. *** There will be, especially with the daily savings we will make when we do not have to contribute to the EU***but ofcourse you already know that Export markets? Where are our exports going to go without European trade agreements? *****TWO WORDS- FREE TRADE***but ofcourse you already know that Energy... What's stopping energy prices from rocketing? ****Energy prices are rocketing just now**** what specific type of energy would you like to take about, and ofcourse if we break away from EU Home energy costs will fall, but ofcourse you already know that So many questions are going unanswered... maybe you should look at the positive things EU membership affords us? ****I can only think of the harm that has came from EU****** " | |||
"Oh... I only just noticed your last post. I got as far down as 'working time directive'. You do know that the working time directive is there to safeguard employees, don't you? You can opt out of it by signing a simple form. How else have I managed to work 80 hour weeks for the last 7 years? Just another example of a half truth. "YES; The gutless will sign out / opt out whilst they bend over backwards to their employer tell me ??? Who is the fool? - working 80 hour weeks think about it | |||
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"Stay stay stay! It's not perfect by any stretch (what is?) but better than the catastrophic risk of an EU implosion We will not get anything like equitable trading terms if we vote to leave as The EU will have to disincentivise anyone else from leaving Russia must be over the moon we are doing their job for them " I agree. Russia would love it if we left. There's a lot wrong with the EU but we have to stay in | |||
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"will keep it short buddy, my answers are within the **** stars**** I'll put my reply directly afterwards... So you have basically compI led a list of half truths, hearsay, utter nonsense, tory quotes and right wing immigration pish to form your argument for the biggest vote of your lifetime... What would happen to the millions of British economic migrants living and working across mainland Europe or living out their retirementheory in Spain etc? ***Perhaps they would return to Britain and prop up our own economy rather than the EU**** so you want to force people back to the UK even though they don't want to be here? What would happen to our economy if migrant workers weren't allowed to work here? ***Wages would go up for the UK lower paid**** but ofcourse you already know that wages go up? And then so will prices and that'll fuck the economy. Also, you're assuming that there are enough qualified British people to do the jobs. You're living in a dream world. Farming subsidies? Where are they coming from? There's nothing in place just yet. *** There will be, especially with the daily savings we will make when we do not have to contribute to the EU***but ofcourse you already know that but with nothing in place already what makes you so sure? Can you really trust a capitalist government to do that? Or will they just watch that die like every other industry? Export markets? Where are our exports going to go without European trade agreements? *****TWO WORDS- FREE TRADE***but ofcourse you already know that we already have trade agreements with countries outside of the EU. Our exports to EU countries far out weight those though, so basically we renegotiate deals on far worse terms? Energy... What's stopping energy prices from rocketing? ****Energy prices are rocketing just now**** what specific type of energy would you like to take about, and ofcourse if we break away from EU Home energy costs will fall, but ofcourse you already know that newsflash. The biggest energy company in the UK is French. If the French aren't governed by the EU to cap energy prices then what? So many questions are going unanswered... maybe you should look at the positive things EU membership affords us? ****I can only think of the harm that has came from EU****** then I'm guessing your politically right wing and not willing to look for anything good. I've had time to think and reflect on my earlier statement, and I'm going to have to stick to my guns when it comes to thinking brexit fans are stupid. " | |||
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"Just re read the thread, according to the op there is no rational argument or fact possible that would make anyone with a brain decide against leaving, and yet he believes it's the stay campaign who are brainwashed. OK, I give up arguing as reason can't work with a zealot " I see just as many dull witted must stay scattered through the post. My opinions are just that for my way of thinking we give to much up for miniscule benefits | |||
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"Leave leave leave We give too much away to the Eu Over 250 million every week Look after your own before you look after others My Moto Please vote leave " | |||
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"Leave leave leave We give too much away to the Eu Over 250 million every week Look after your own before you look after others My Moto Please vote leave "But we're not looking after 'our own', are we? In fact, we're not really looking after anyone. PS... define 'our own'? Do you mean humans? I mean, can you explain the difference between us and them? Because as far as I can make out the only difference is where we were fortunate/unfortunate enough to be born. | |||
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"Leave leave leave We give too much away to the Eu Over 250 million every week Look after your own before you look after others My Moto Please vote leave
But we're not looking after 'our own', are we? In fact, we're not really looking after anyone.
PS... define 'our own'? Do you mean humans? I mean, can you explain the difference between us and them? Because as far as I can make out the only difference is where we were fortunate/unfortunate enough to be born.
"Exactly! We struggle to look after our own! We have too many Families in Britain homeless! In workless house holds! In need of care! Our services are struggling and we don't have enough social housing for our own families and neighbours so doesn't make sense to me that we would keep our boarders open for people to freely come to Britain cause they are struggling were they are! I admit I don't truly understand the whole EU debate in financial terms cause it's too complicated to understand for most of us! but I DO know how my own community is being affected! | |||
"Leave leave leave We give too much away to the Eu Over 250 million every week Look after your own before you look after others My Moto Please vote leave
But we're not looking after 'our own', are we? In fact, we're not really looking after anyone.
PS... define 'our own'? Do you mean humans? I mean, can you explain the difference between us and them? Because as far as I can make out the only difference is where we were fortunate/unfortunate enough to be born.
"I think the point people make by their own is yes born in this country I believe if my country was as bad as some are then an uprising would happen and oust the bad. not run off to another country which seems a little easy. Im in no way a racist but I feel its time to shut the borders sort our own countrys problems the money that would have been spent on immigrants could go into education that would get get our countrymen and woman in better positions which in turn would generate more buisness | |||
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"Anyone who thinks that Johnson, Gove, IDS and Rupert Murdoch and George Galloway have our best interests at heart needs their head read. And yeah, Cameron and Osborne are equally crooked, but that side also have pretty much every business leader, scientist and economist in the world on it. " My thoughts exactly and the same ones that say the £350 million per week (figures that they know are wrong) that we pay could be used for the NHS are the people that are currently privatising the NHS there are lotaof Tory MPs who have an interest in private health companies and would love it to go completely private. If we do leave htose right wing brexit MPs will start to do away with workers rights and it will be aquick change they are only restrained by the EU rules just now. | |||
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"I'm 'probably' still in but the fact that Cameron is leading that campaign grates with me. It started off like the Indy ref with scare after scare story. Now it's all just getting petty and playground. Right now I'm really not arsed and to be honest not even sure I will vote as I can't commit one way or the other with any conviction. That said, Boris, fuck sake, Boris. The U.K. Trump, is leading out. Where does that leave your 'got their shit together' normal human being. If only we'd made the right vote 20 months ago! B" Having saw Cameron on an IN/ Out debate I very much doubt if he realy wants the uK to stay in my opinion he wants brexit. | |||
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"Incidentally, the final straw making me an in was UKIP having Neil fucking Hamilton comment on greed and corruption in Brussels Neil Hamilton FFS" Sorry - Celtic cousin here whose interested in the Scottish perspective. I can see arguments for leaving, but it amazes me that UKIP is on the march in Wales and that fool Hamilton has a seat in the assembly now. He's already embarrassed himself. I keep hearing my fellow Welsh folk saying "the EU has done nothing for me/us". It's far from perfect, but Wales is a net beneficiary from the EU! I've spent most of my working life in communities that are amongst the poorest in the UK. They have received massive amounts of support through Objective One funding etc. The same people who moan about the EU "doing nothing for us" walk on land reclaimed and environmentally enhanced by EU funding, go for jobs in factories in industrial estates built with EU money, getting there on roads dualled with EU funding. I feel successive UK governments have shown a shameful neglect for those poorest areas and I'd imagine the same is true in Scotland. What good I've seen done whilst working and living there has mostly come from funding from those faceless bureaucrats in Europe. I'm far from convinced that a right-wing government with the likes of Boris, Gove or IDS would show the slightest concern for those areas and would allow the market to rule their futures. I'm actually not a socialist - I believe Wales and Scotland needs to be more entrepreneurial and grasp opportunities e.g. in digital technologies. However, I do believe areas of industrial decline in our two parts of the U.K. need special attention and support to rectify the neglect shown over many years. I don't believe a Boris led Tory administration would give them a second thought. | |||
"80 hour weeks for 7 years, your life will be over before it starts come on buddy, you need to look for another job" Some peope really enjoy their work. That is an admirable attribute . | |||
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"If we do leave htose right wing brexit MPs will start to do away with workers rights and it will be a quick change they are only restrained by the EU rules just now." well maybe it's about time workers/people made a stand, these companies would be nothing without them, people need to realise that they are actually being made slaves. honestly doesn't make sense to me how things are the way they are, how the hell did we let these people in too decide the way we live our lives? bullshit lies, bailouts, wars, expenses, etc etc the list is huge it's not like they're intelligent, quite the opposite ffs they can't even keep a simple budget, morons. they are taking the piss, laughing at the under classes and we are doing nothing about it, have people really become that dumb and wrapped up in their own little lives, that they don't really care until something happens that affects them. too busy with soaps, BGT, X factor, social media platforms etc etc since when have we become so soft lol rant over! | |||
"If we do leave htose right wing brexit MPs will start to do away with workers rights and it will be a quick change they are only restrained by the EU rules just now. well maybe it's about time workers/people made a stand, these companies would be nothing without them, people need to realise that they are actually being made slaves. honestly doesn't make sense to me how things are the way they are, how the hell did we let these people in too decide the way we live our lives? bullshit lies, bailouts, wars, expenses, etc etc the list is huge it's not like they're intelligent, quite the opposite ffs they can't even keep a simple budget, morons. they are taking the piss, laughing at the under classes and we are doing nothing about it, have people really become that dumb and wrapped up in their own little lives, that they don't really care until something happens that affects them. too busy with soaps, BGT, X factor, social media platforms etc etc since when have we become so soft lol rant over! "That is not a rant; that is spot on
The majority of the UK workforce is gutless, unprepared to make a stand for their rights and will stab fellow work colleagues in the back to obtain as little as a few hours overtime.
Thatcher had it right in the 80's opening up the right to buy, so everyone could hang a noose around their neck with huge mortgage and frightened to say boo or stand up for their rights with fear of being docked an hours pay.
I remember sitting on the helidecks on strike in the 80's fighting for better conditions, more time off (leave) and eventually we got a 2 week on 3 week off rota, almost 30 years on oil companies have put the majority on 3/3 and everyone frightened to speak out (and that's big bear oil workers).
The majority of the UK bends over backwards to take a fucking from their employer today without standing up for their rights or fighting for better conditions
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"If we do leave htose right wing brexit MPs will start to do away with workers rights and it will be a quick change they are only restrained by the EU rules just now. well maybe it's about time workers/people made a stand, these companies would be nothing without them, people need to realise that they are actually being made slaves. honestly doesn't make sense to me how things are the way they are, how the hell did we let these people in too decide the way we live our lives? bullshit lies, bailouts, wars, expenses, etc etc the list is huge it's not like they're intelligent, quite the opposite ffs they can't even keep a simple budget, morons. they are taking the piss, laughing at the under classes and we are doing nothing about it, have people really become that dumb and wrapped up in their own little lives, that they don't really care until something happens that affects them. too busy with soaps, BGT, X factor, social media platforms etc etc since when have we become so soft lol rant over!
That is not a rant; that is spot on
The majority of the UK workforce is gutless, unprepared to make a stand for their rights and will stab fellow work colleagues in the back to obtain as little as a few hours overtime.
Thatcher had it right in the 80's opening up the right to buy, so everyone could hang a noose around their neck with huge mortgage and frightened to say boo or stand up for their rights with fear of being docked an hours pay.
I remember sitting on the helidecks on strike in the 80's fighting for better conditions, more time off (leave) and eventually we got a 2 week on 3 week off rota, almost 30 years on oil companies have put the majority on 3/3 and everyone frightened to speak out (and that's big bear oil workers).
The majority of the UK bends over backwards to take a fucking from their employer today without standing up for their rights or fighting for better conditions
now that's a rant "You both got it bang on and remember the blacklist that came form the north sea sit in some boys did not work for a long time after that and I remember our steward a man who was for the men did not work for 5 years, we see all the people complain about the French air traffic controllers going on strike sure it is shit when you are abbout to go on holiday but these people are actually doing something while we sit and whinge to each other about all the corruption and double dealings going on plus the austerity that seems to = take from Joe Bloggs and give to mr millionaire. | |||
"If we do leave htose right wing brexit MPs will start to do away with workers rights and it will be a quick change they are only restrained by the EU rules just now. well maybe it's about time workers/people made a stand, these companies would be nothing without them, people need to realise that they are actually being made slaves. honestly doesn't make sense to me how things are the way they are, how the hell did we let these people in too decide the way we live our lives? bullshit lies, bailouts, wars, expenses, etc etc the list is huge it's not like they're intelligent, quite the opposite ffs they can't even keep a simple budget, morons. they are taking the piss, laughing at the under classes and we are doing nothing about it, have people really become that dumb and wrapped up in their own little lives, that they don't really care until something happens that affects them. too busy with soaps, BGT, X factor, social media platforms etc etc since when have we become so soft lol rant over!
That is not a rant; that is spot on
The majority of the UK workforce is gutless, unprepared to make a stand for their rights and will stab fellow work colleagues in the back to obtain as little as a few hours overtime.
Thatcher had it right in the 80's opening up the right to buy, so everyone could hang a noose around their neck with huge mortgage and frightened to say boo or stand up for their rights with fear of being docked an hours pay.
I remember sitting on the helidecks on strike in the 80's fighting for better conditions, more time off (leave) and eventually we got a 2 week on 3 week off rota, almost 30 years on oil companies have put the majority on 3/3 and everyone frightened to speak out (and that's big bear oil workers).
The majority of the UK bends over backwards to take a fucking from their employer today without standing up for their rights or fighting for better conditions
now that's a rant "For once I'll agree with you a lot. Yes, if people are genuinely pissed off with working hours, pay, ect, go on strike, protest. We have a right to let companies and the government know if we feel down trodden, if they wont listen or act on complaint then profit and efficiency can suffer for a while till they buck their ideas up. Not sure about peoples opinions on the matter but look at the doctors strike. | |||
"If us voting made a actual difference then we wouldn't be allowed to vote, personally think all voting is rigged but if it did make a difference then I'd say leave the EU, get our own country back on its feet before we start looking over the big pond. Get back out farming communities again, plenty of ways to generate the lost EU income without worrying about the scaremongering John "For first time ever i think we might actually agree on something john lol  | |||
"If we do leave htose right wing brexit MPs will start to do away with workers rights and it will be a quick change they are only restrained by the EU rules just now. well maybe it's about time workers/people made a stand, these companies would be nothing without them, people need to realise that they are actually being made slaves. honestly doesn't make sense to me how things are the way they are, how the hell did we let these people in too decide the way we live our lives? bullshit lies, bailouts, wars, expenses, etc etc the list is huge it's not like they're intelligent, quite the opposite ffs they can't even keep a simple budget, morons. they are taking the piss, laughing at the under classes and we are doing nothing about it, have people really become that dumb and wrapped up in their own little lives, that they don't really care until something happens that affects them. too busy with soaps, BGT, X factor, social media platforms etc etc since when have we become so soft lol rant over!
That is not a rant; that is spot on
The majority of the UK workforce is gutless, unprepared to make a stand for their rights and will stab fellow work colleagues in the back to obtain as little as a few hours overtime.
Thatcher had it right in the 80's opening up the right to buy, so everyone could hang a noose around their neck with huge mortgage and frightened to say boo or stand up for their rights with fear of being docked an hours pay.
I remember sitting on the helidecks on strike in the 80's fighting for better conditions, more time off (leave) and eventually we got a 2 week on 3 week off rota, almost 30 years on oil companies have put the majority on 3/3 and everyone frightened to speak out (and that's big bear oil workers).
The majority of the UK bends over backwards to take a fucking from their employer today without standing up for their rights or fighting for better conditions
now that's a rant You both got it bang on and remember the blacklist that came form the north sea sit in some boys did not work for a long time after that and I remember our steward a man who was for the men did not work for 5 years, we see all the people complain about the French air traffic controllers going on strike sure it is shit when you are abbout to go on holiday but these people are actually doing something while we sit and whinge to each other about all the corruption and double dealings going on plus the austerity that seems to = take from Joe Bloggs and give to mr millionaire.
"The French air traffic controllers are hardly an example to follow. They are just totally selfish people living in a by gone era who seem to be happy to destroy peoples holidays . | |||
"If we do leave htose right wing brexit MPs will start to do away with workers rights and it will be a quick change they are only restrained by the EU rules just now. well maybe it's about time workers/people made a stand, these companies would be nothing without them, people need to realise that they are actually being made slaves. honestly doesn't make sense to me how things are the way they are, how the hell did we let these people in too decide the way we live our lives? bullshit lies, bailouts, wars, expenses, etc etc the list is huge it's not like they're intelligent, quite the opposite ffs they can't even keep a simple budget, morons. they are taking the piss, laughing at the under classes and we are doing nothing about it, have people really become that dumb and wrapped up in their own little lives, that they don't really care until something happens that affects them. too busy with soaps, BGT, X factor, social media platforms etc etc since when have we become so soft lol rant over!
That is not a rant; that is spot on
The majority of the UK workforce is gutless, unprepared to make a stand for their rights and will stab fellow work colleagues in the back to obtain as little as a few hours overtime.
Thatcher had it right in the 80's opening up the right to buy, so everyone could hang a noose around their neck with huge mortgage and frightened to say boo or stand up for their rights with fear of being docked an hours pay.
I remember sitting on the helidecks on strike in the 80's fighting for better conditions, more time off (leave) and eventually we got a 2 week on 3 week off rota, almost 30 years on oil companies have put the majority on 3/3 and everyone frightened to speak out (and that's big bear oil workers).
The majority of the UK bends over backwards to take a fucking from their employer today without standing up for their rights or fighting for better conditions
now that's a rant "Luckily the majority of workers have sufficient common sense to realise that companies have to operate profitably . If you think that you are underpaid , the answer is simple , go and work somewhere else . What rights are you referring to?. | |||
"now that's a rant You both got it bang on and remember the blacklist that came form the north sea sit in some boys did not work for a long time after that and I remember our steward a man who was for the men did not work for 5 years, we see all the people complain about the French air traffic controllers going on strike sure it is shit when you are abbout to go on holiday but these people are actually doing something while we sit and whinge to each other about all the corruption and double dealings going on plus the austerity that seems to = take from Joe Bloggs and give to mr millionaire.
"Yes I agree and Press were one of the top companies to blacklist the guys, at least we stood up for ourselves. The French have always got it right, they look after their own As for the UK today, gutless is one word which comes to mind | |||
"-) Luckily the majority of workers have sufficient common sense to realise that companies have to operate profitably . If you think that you are underpaid , the answer is simple , go and work somewhere else . What rights are you referring to?. " Pat69drive; I suspect you are either in management or a voiceless employee I am far from underpaid, oil corporations throw cash at employees, I fight for better working conditions and a reasonable amount of time at home, does health & safety not ring a bell to you, or is it just about money | |||
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"-) Luckily the majority of workers have sufficient common sense to realise that companies have to operate profitably . If you think that you are underpaid , the answer is simple , go and work somewhere else . What rights are you referring to?. Pat69drive; I suspect you are either in management or a voiceless employee I am far from underpaid, oil corporations throw cash at employees, I fight for better working conditions and a reasonable amount of time at home, does health & safety not ring a bell to you, or is it just about money " If oil companies are throwing cash at enployees this should be investigated as it is share holders money . The price of shares in some oil companies companies has collapsed recently. As oil companies are generally good employees , fighting for your so called rigbts is hardly necessary. | |||
"-) If oil companies are throwing cash at enployees this should be investigated as it is share holders money . The price of shares in some oil companies companies has collapsed recently. As oil companies are generally good employees , fighting for your so called rigbts is hardly necessary. " share prices collapsed; not that im aware off, and our company has a scheme buy one, get two free, so each month you can buy £250 worth of shares and the total amount being £750 and even if shares do fall, they soon fire back up
as for your next part; you have obviously never worked offshore on the oilrigs, never experienced the day to day danger & risk involved as well as risk assessments that are rewritten to enable a job to go ahead, you have never experienced 2 or 3 man rooms where you sleep in room with guys you have never met before, nor have you experienced the shocking food, lack of sleep due to noise and the explosive environment you work in!!!
but then, why complain eh | |||
"-) If oil companies are throwing cash at enployees this should be investigated as it is share holders money . The price of shares in some oil companies companies has collapsed recently. As oil companies are generally good employees , fighting for your so called rigbts is hardly necessary. share prices collapsed; not that im aware off, and our company has a scheme buy one, get two free, so each month you can buy £250 worth of shares and the total amount being £750 and even if shares do fall, they soon fire back up
as for your next part; you have obviously never worked offshore on the oilrigs, never experienced the day to day danger & risk involved as well as risk assessments that are rewritten to enable a job to go ahead, you have never experienced 2 or 3 man rooms where you sleep in room with guys you have never met before, nor have you experienced the shocking food, lack of sleep due to noise and the explosive environment you work in!!!
but then, why complain eh "As said you cannot have worked in that environment so wont know what it is about I did in the early to mid eighties and as mentioned the sit in saw a lot of men lose jobs and resulted in being many blacklisted ( any thoughts on the blacklist?) £ companies have recently paid out £73 million in compensation to some of those blacklisted and hopefully a lot more will get justice too as it is not too well publicised and a lot probably do not know that there is now a lsit that can be checked to see if your name was on it. | |||
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"-) If oil companies are throwing cash at enployees this should be investigated as it is share holders money . The price of shares in some oil companies companies has collapsed recently. As oil companies are generally good employees , fighting for your so called rigbts is hardly necessary. share prices collapsed; not that im aware off, and our company has a scheme buy one, get two free, so each month you can buy £250 worth of shares and the total amount being £750 and even if shares do fall, they soon fire back up
as for your next part; you have obviously never worked offshore on the oilrigs, never experienced the day to day danger & risk involved as well as risk assessments that are rewritten to enable a job to go ahead, you have never experienced 2 or 3 man rooms where you sleep in room with guys you have never met before, nor have you experienced the shocking food, lack of sleep due to noise and the explosive environment you work in!!!
but then, why complain eh "However , no one is compelled to work in that type of environment . If you do not like your working conditions , why not just leave and let those who have the best interests of the company at heart get on with it . | |||
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" . People. this a big point, Scotland is full of european inmigrants, most of them working, even if some politicians believe we are here abusing on the benefits, the solution here is not easy, give the citizenship to foreigners so we can stay without visa, are we gonna have to get a visa like USA, I won't accept a visa system like the american one where my visa would be related to my contract in a company, could Scotland stay without the migrants? there are over a million brits in Spain, they would need to return to their country and apply for a visa to be able to go to spain where some of them has bought properties, the retired ones would find theirselves in a country where they need visa to stay up to 90 days and no public health system for them so they would need to pay for the medical costs..." Such as Life; get used to it If you have a good job and you are a valued employee your employer will take care of visa & residential requirements. As for your million Brits in Spain, I am sure they will all be voting to remain, if it goes tits up for them then they will have to modify their comfortable lifestyle just like anyone else. We all need to vote Leave, and we all need to turn out to do this Vote Leave | |||
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"I'm in for a few reasons - human rights protection. I do t trust the Tories without the watchful eye of the away - workers / employment rights. Same reasons as above - free movement, the ability to just go and work and live in Germany/ Spain etc without visas is brilliant - regeneration funding. This will be pulled, the poorest areas will suffer " *dont | |||
" . People. this a big point, Scotland is full of european inmigrants, most of them working, even if some politicians believe we are here abusing on the benefits, the solution here is not easy, give the citizenship to foreigners so we can stay without visa, are we gonna have to get a visa like USA, I won't accept a visa system like the american one where my visa would be related to my contract in a company, could Scotland stay without the migrants? there are over a million brits in Spain, they would need to return to their country and apply for a visa to be able to go to spain where some of them has bought properties, the retired ones would find theirselves in a country where they need visa to stay up to 90 days and no public health system for them so they would need to pay for the medical costs... Such as Life; get used to it If you have a good job and you are a valued employee your employer will take care of visa & residential requirements. As for your million Brits in Spain, I am sure they will all be voting to remain, if it goes tits up for them then they will have to modify their comfortable lifestyle just like anyone else. We all need to vote Leave, and we all need to turn out to do this Vote Leave" when your visa is related to a contract you are suffering a kind of slavery, you cannot afford to leave a job because any reason because you are risking be kicked out of the country, if I have a well paid job I can fin a equally well paid job somewhere else | |||
"Ok, so if we leave, will we become trading partners like we were when it was the old EEC? But without the extra laws and costs that are associated with the EU?
Not quite, we would need to negotiate a deal similair to Norway or Switzerland, which would mean still forking over billions each year and accepting most EU laws,rules and regs. However we would not get a seat at the table when the laws, rules and regs are being decided.that would be down to us negotiating we wouldnt have to accept anything the eu say. also it wouldnt happen ocernight there is a cooling period of two yrs to get these issues settled. Everything would hinge on what was negotiated"Not sure that is correct. My understanding is that like every British company that sells or provides service to another it has to reach the quality control procedures of the recipient. If the UK wishes to sell or provide anything to somewhere within the EU then it will have to conform to the EU's quality control procedures, either in product or service. Out of the EU would mean the UK could not negotiate what those standards were, but simply put up with them. By the way I'm still leave, just, but I do think it won't be until our grandchildren are drawing their pensions that the UK will see the benefits of leaving. Scary stuff this ref. | |||
Interesting to see Cameron saying this morning on Marr about Norway: 'it has the same amount of oil as we have but it only has 4m(sic) people...so it's better off'
Suspect that might come to haunt him...
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"Gogsy Broon is back...new Vow coming tomorrow. B"All the termites are crawling out of the woodwork with warnings of doom if we dare to vote against the dysfunctional status quo - Major minor of ERM notoriety, Blair the warmongering psychopath who brought catastrophe to the Middle East and Broon the sociopath who thought it was a good idea to socialise the losses of the financial buccaneers and transfer that burden on to the taxpayer. These idiots also ask us to listen to the "respected" economists/guesswork pundits who failed to forecast the financial crash and who claimed that it was vital that we should adopt the euro!!! Amazing - they still think they enjoy some credibility! | |||
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"I'm leaving. Fed up with the liberal elite screwing us over and dismissing genuine concerns of ordinary people. To express concern over rapid population increase through mass unchecked immigration is not racist! Threats of war pestilence famine and plague in the case of Brexit are incredible. It is only a couple of months ago that Cameron was telling us we could do fine outside of the EU and he was ruling nothing out!" are you voting to leave or just leaving no matter what way it goes ? | |||
"Ok, so if we leave, will we become trading partners like we were when it was the old EEC? But without the extra laws and costs that are associated with the EU?
Not quite, we would need to negotiate a deal similair to Norway or Switzerland, which would mean still forking over billions each year and accepting most EU laws,rules and regs. However we would not get a seat at the table when the laws, rules and regs are being decided.that would be down to us negotiating we wouldnt have to accept anything the eu say. also it wouldnt happen ocernight there is a cooling period of two yrs to get these issues settled. Everything would hinge on what was negotiated
Not sure that is correct. My understanding is that like every British company that sells or provides service to another it has to reach the quality control procedures of the recipient.
If the UK wishes to sell or provide anything to somewhere within the EU then it will have to conform to the EU's quality control procedures, either in product or service.
Out of the EU would mean the UK could not negotiate what those standards were, but simply put up with them.
By the way I'm still leave, just, but I do think it won't be until our grandchildren are drawing their pensions that the UK will see the benefits of leaving.
Scary stuff this ref."much in the same way we sell to countrys outwith the eu. Sit round a table and hash out a deal I believe these matters are better in our own hands I see no advantage in faceles folk who dont understand how we tick telling us how to tock | |||
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"how many companies that manufacture in scotland are actually uk based most are foreign owned who produce here so that can distribute freely and the eu it wont be us thats renegotiating it will be them and a lot will relocate to the eu then import back to us at the cost of a lot of jobs " or we let them go the workers have the skillset an entrepreneur sets up a buisness and we fleece the eu its swings and roundabouts phoenix from the flames as someone has said above the benefits of leaving may take a while.imo the eu is a broken concept because each country has its own if you will flavour that the eu want to stamp out in order to make a cohesive entity. When you look at any large country they want to seperate to keep their flavour america has lots of states that want seperation canadas another china or the good old ussr | |||
"how many companies that manufacture in scotland are actually uk based most are foreign owned who produce here so that can distribute freely and the eu it wont be us thats renegotiating it will be them and a lot will relocate to the eu then import back to us at the cost of a lot of jobs or we let them go the workers have the skillset an entrepreneur sets up a buisness and we fleece the eu its swings and roundabouts phoenix from the flames as someone has said above the benefits of leaving may take a while.imo the eu is a broken concept because each country has its own if you will flavour that the eu want to stamp out in order to make a cohesive entity. When you look at any large country they want to seperate to keep their flavour america has lots of states that want seperation canadas another china or the good old ussr " you cant just manufacture other companies products theirs copy right for that same reason no one can make scotch whiskey and samr reason barrs fought and won to stop russia producing irn bru jvc shut down ek and moved to poland to cut production costs i dont see anyone opening it up and selling ek tellys | |||
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"how many companies that manufacture in scotland are actually uk based most are foreign owned who produce here so that can distribute freely and the eu it wont be us thats renegotiating it will be them and a lot will relocate to the eu then import back to us at the cost of a lot of jobs or we let them go the workers have the skillset an entrepreneur sets up a buisness and we fleece the eu its swings and roundabouts phoenix from the flames as someone has said above the benefits of leaving may take a while.imo the eu is a broken concept because each country has its own if you will flavour that the eu want to stamp out in order to make a cohesive entity. When you look at any large country they want to seperate to keep their flavour america has lots of states that want seperation canadas another china or the good old ussr you cant just manufacture other companies products theirs copy right for that same reason no one can make scotch whiskey and samr reason barrs fought and won to stop russia producing irn bru jvc shut down ek and moved to poland to cut production costs i dont see anyone opening it up and selling ek tellys "why not ? If the products good lg retails about 30% cheaper than sony.......but uses alot of the same parts and of course companys will go where its best (not neccesarily cheapest) thats where we would have to make it an inviting prospect we managed before the eu and imo alot of the strife we now feel is due to eu intervention hell im sure in your opinion im wrong but thats why the referendums been handed to the people | |||
"how many companies that manufacture in scotland are actually uk based most are foreign owned who produce here so that can distribute freely and the eu it wont be us thats renegotiating it will be them and a lot will relocate to the eu then import back to us at the cost of a lot of jobs or we let them go the workers have the skillset an entrepreneur sets up a buisness and we fleece the eu its swings and roundabouts phoenix from the flames as someone has said above the benefits of leaving may take a while.imo the eu is a broken concept because each country has its own if you will flavour that the eu want to stamp out in order to make a cohesive entity. When you look at any large country they want to seperate to keep their flavour america has lots of states that want seperation canadas another china or the good old ussr you cant just manufacture other companies products theirs copy right for that same reason no one can make scotch whiskey and samr reason barrs fought and won to stop russia producing irn bru jvc shut down ek and moved to poland to cut production costs i dont see anyone opening it up and selling ek tellys why not ? If the products good lg retails about 30% cheaper than sony.......but uses alot of the same parts and of course companys will go where its best (not neccesarily cheapest) thats where we would have to make it an inviting prospect we managed before the eu and imo alot of the strife we now feel is due to eu intervention hell im sure in your opinion im wrong but thats why the referendums been handed to the people"but these parts are copy written too and why some tvs are better than others same as if you want a fuel pump for your car chances are its either a bosch or a lucas because they own the copy rights to their own pumps and a world company like jvc buy their parts far cheaper than a one man band would so it cost you three times as much to make the telly you wont sell many | |||
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"Getting of point but copyright of an article is very hard to tie down its the reason there are lots of third party producers alot of things take multiple things to work change the position of a transistor the copy protection is void the car industry is full of replica suppliers. Dysons a good example believing he had tied down his invention to later find other companys using his copy protected invention court found no case to answer " their not that hard look at mcdonalds its only a burger and some chips why is their no uk based drive ins ? because they own the rights to the way the burger is frozen and still be cooked in 30 sec but the point is why would a company produce 10,000 units and pay import tax on 8000 to the eu when they can produce 10,000 in eu and only pay tax on 2000 sent back to us | |||
"Getting of point but copyright of an article is very hard to tie down its the reason there are lots of third party producers alot of things take multiple things to work change the position of a transistor the copy protection is void the car industry is full of replica suppliers. Dysons a good example believing he had tied down his invention to later find other companys using his copy protected invention court found no case to answer their not that hard look at mcdonalds its only a burger and some chips why is their no uk based drive ins ? because they own the rights to the way the burger is frozen and still be cooked in 30 sec but the point is why would a company produce 10,000 units and pay import tax on 8000 to the eu when they can produce 10,000 in eu and only pay tax on 2000 sent back to us " is that mcdonalds that "claim" the intellectual rights on making sandwiches ie if I have a bbq and have lettuce tomato onion I would be in copyright infringment as its there sandwich. The biggest reason there is no other drive ins is us we (well most i dont eat eyeballs n testicles)choose to allow them to corner the market I buy from a burger van across the road as I detest fast food that I have no faith in mcds has made loads of failed patents a better question to ask is why does their patties not rot like real food but thats a whole other debate | |||
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"we where threatened at the referendum if we went independent we would not get in the eu now we are getting took out if the uk vote to leave we should have another referendum so the people of scotland can decide if we leave as part of the uk or stay as independent and whats best for scotland "im pretty sure in a yr or twos time irrespective of this result a seperation referendum will be called I also believe it will be a landslide result as more folk have engaged with whats at risk | |||
"we where threatened at the referendum if we went independent we would not get in the eu now we are getting took out if the uk vote to leave we should have another referendum so the people of scotland can decide if we leave as part of the uk or stay as independent and whats best for scotland im pretty sure in a yr or twos time irrespective of this result a seperation referendum will be called I also believe it will be a landslide result as more folk have engaged with whats at risk"if we leave to get more powers who gets the power ? will scotland get them ? no chance we will still be controlled from london without anyone keeping them in check | |||
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"Gogsy Broon is back...new Vow coming tomorrow.
Interesting to see Cameron saying this morning on Marr about Norway: 'it has the same amount of oil as we have but it only has 4m(sic) people...so it's better off'
Suspect that might come to haunt him...
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"we where threatened at the referendum if we went independent we would not get in the eu now we are getting took out if the uk vote to leave we should have another referendum so the people of scotland can decide if we leave as part of the uk or stay as independent and whats best for scotland "As much as I fought for Independence and I am a SNP member, I am beginning to believe that Nicola Sturgeon is not whats "best" for Scotland I have already voted to leave the EU (against snp wishes)and from who I have spoken direct to, so far, other snp members are voting to leave also . just out of interest? are there any snp members here wishing to remain? just curious as so far I have not came across any in the area I live | |||
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"Voting leave, amongst other things, puts your employment rights, pension, NHS and economic prospects into the hands of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Ian Duncan Smith. What a dark, gloomy prospect that is. If you thought the last eight years of austerity was bad......." its ok to take the pi** oit of boris mick and ian yoir forgeting to take the pi** out the rest of the politicians the biggest diffrence as someone said above if we leave we can vote the idiots out stay you just have to bend over and accept | |||
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"Voting leave, amongst other things, puts your employment rights, pension, NHS and economic prospects into the hands of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Ian Duncan Smith. What a dark, gloomy prospect that is. If you thought the last eight years of austerity was bad.......its ok to take the pi** oit of boris mick and ian yoir forgeting to take the pi** out the rest of the politicians the biggest diffrence as someone said above if we leave we can vote the idiots out stay you just have to bend over and accept" But if we leave, the break up of the UK is highly likely, leading to a perpetual Tory government dominated by the likes of these idealogues. God help the poorer parts of the England and Wales in that scenario - and I'm not even a socialist. | |||
"Getting of point but copyright of an article is very hard to tie down its the reason there are lots of third party producers alot of things take multiple things to work change the position of a transistor the copy protection is void the car industry is full of replica suppliers. Dysons a good example believing he had tied down his invention to later find other companys using his copy protected invention court found no case to answer their not that hard look at mcdonalds its only a burger and some chips why is their no uk based drive ins ? because they own the rights to the way the burger is frozen and still be cooked in 30 sec but the point is why would a company produce 10,000 units and pay import tax on 8000 to the eu when they can produce 10,000 in eu and only pay tax on 2000 sent back to us is that mcdonalds that "claim" the intellectual rights on making sandwiches ie if I have a bbq and have lettuce tomato onion I would be in copyright infringment as its there sandwich. The biggest reason there is no other drive ins is us we (well most i dont eat eyeballs n testicles)choose to allow them to corner the market I buy from a burger van across the road as I detest fast food that I have no faith in mcds has made loads of failed patents a better question to ask is why does their patties not rot like real food but thats a whole other debate "the burguers don't rot because they are salty and so slim, as they are salty the salt dehydratate the burguer, no water no roting, and around the burguer you have bread, which absorbs the water from the burguer, so the trick is the amount of salt and how thick they are | |||
"Voting leave, amongst other things, puts your employment rights, pension, NHS and economic prospects into the hands of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Ian Duncan Smith. What a dark, gloomy prospect that is. If you thought the last eight years of austerity was bad......." WRONG, employment rights, pension, NHS and economic prospects are in the hands of the UK people, (if they have the courage to stand up and fight, like our parents and grand parents once did) It is time we stood up on our own two feet without demands and instruction from the EU | |||
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"Getting of point but copyright of an article is very hard to tie down its the reason there are lots of third party producers alot of things take multiple things to work change the position of a transistor the copy protection is void the car industry is full of replica suppliers. Dysons a good example believing he had tied down his invention to later find other companys using his copy protected invention court found no case to answer their not that hard look at mcdonalds its only a burger and some chips why is their no uk based drive ins ? because they own the rights to the way the burger is frozen and still be cooked in 30 sec but the point is why would a company produce 10,000 units and pay import tax on 8000 to the eu when they can produce 10,000 in eu and only pay tax on 2000 sent back to us is that mcdonalds that "claim" the intellectual rights on making sandwiches ie if I have a bbq and have lettuce tomato onion I would be in copyright infringment as its there sandwich. The biggest reason there is no other drive ins is us we (well most i dont eat eyeballs n testicles)choose to allow them to corner the market I buy from a burger van across the road as I detest fast food that I have no faith in mcds has made loads of failed patents a better question to ask is why does their patties not rot like real food but thats a whole other debate
the burguers don't rot because they are salty and so slim, as they are salty the salt dehydratate the burguer, no water no roting, and around the burguer you have bread, which absorbs the water from the burguer, so the trick is the amount of salt and how thick they are"yes water content is a factor not the main one though a woman in the states who promotes healthy eating uses a burger as a prop........14 yrs old still looks the same | |||
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"Voting leave, amongst other things, puts your employment rights, pension, NHS and economic prospects into the hands of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Ian Duncan Smith. What a dark, gloomy prospect that is. If you thought the last eight years of austerity was bad......." Hi. There is no need to worry about austerity . Just look at the record number of new cars being sold , packed restaurants and the prices people pay to attend football matches. Your pension will depend on how you invest your funds , so over time there is nothing to worry about . If we leave there will be less strain on the NHS | |||
