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By *wiftiee OP Man
over a year ago
near Glasgow |
........I'm sure the 'Yes' voters will be along shortly to thank us 'No' voters for saving them from economic ruin.
A £15billion deficit, the poor man of Europe, according to the official figures. I feel quite proud to have saved my fellow Scots from economic suicide.
Of course the bold Alex won't be too bothered, he now has his nose in every trough he can find! |
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over a year ago
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"........I'm sure the 'Yes' voters will be along shortly to thank us 'No' voters for saving them from economic ruin.
A £15billion deficit, the poor man of Europe, according to the official figures. I feel quite proud to have saved my fellow Scots from economic suicide.
Of course the bold Alex won't be too bothered, he now has his nose in every trough he can find! "
 hate feeling a sense of "I made the right choice" when so many ppl are struggling. But it could have been so much worse |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We need a complete government overhaul.
We can bail,out bankers yet our nation is in horrendous debt. Caused by faulse wars mainly....
We allow bankers too create money out of thin air and lend it too us at interest. Creating more debt than cash in circulation. There is no way out of the deficit. It is all scaremongering bullshit.. The government have no interest in reducing it. Lobbying insures this...
We had the chance to privatise the banking sector with the bailout. But unfortunately our government think its better to sell the shares off at a cut rate price to the very people who caused the crisis in the first place.....
Wee need to model ourselves on Iceland if we were ever to become independant. Just cant see it being allowed to happen |
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"........I'm sure the 'Yes' voters will be along shortly to thank us 'No' voters for saving them from economic ruin.
A £15billion deficit, the poor man of Europe, according to the official figures. I feel quite proud to have saved my fellow Scots from economic suicide.
Of course the bold Alex won't be too bothered, he now has his nose in every trough he can find! "
I'm glad I said No
It didn't work the last time we were independent so how will it ever work this time. We need to stay in the United Kingdom of Great Britain !!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"........I'm sure the 'Yes' voters will be along shortly to thank us 'No' voters for saving them from economic ruin.
A £15billion deficit, the poor man of Europe, according to the official figures. I feel quite proud to have saved my fellow Scots from economic suicide.
Of course the bold Alex won't be too bothered, he now has his nose in every trough he can find!
I'm glad I said No
It didn't work the last time we were independent so how will it ever work this time. We need to stay in the United Kingdom of Great Britain !!!"
How would you know? Scotland hasn't been independent since 1707, if you were around then can you turn me please? Vampyrism sounds fun.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You do know that the Tory government are a bunch of lying money orientated greedy fuckwits, if you read Tory propaganda you'll support Tory, try reading independent not ruled by the government information |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
Falkirk |
I kind of agree with Mr Nice Guy.
Governments of all sides fail the majority. Simple as that.
We need to look after our old, our young, our vulnerable FIRST
Then if there's money left over in the pot, let's help others too.
But they are too busy either trying to make a name for themselves or attempting to line their pockets or those of their 'friends'. It's a shame that those 'friends' desert them when they are needed to save their asses when they get caught out eh?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"........I'm sure the 'Yes' voters will be along shortly to thank us 'No' voters for saving them from economic ruin.
A £15billion deficit, the poor man of Europe, according to the official figures. I feel quite proud to have saved my fellow Scots from economic suicide.
Of course the bold Alex won't be too bothered, he now has his nose in every trough he can find! "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"........I'm sure the 'Yes' voters will be along shortly to thank us 'No' voters for saving them from economic ruin.
A £15billion deficit, the poor man of Europe, according to the official figures. I feel quite proud to have saved my fellow Scots from economic suicide.
Of course the bold Alex won't be too bothered, he now has his nose in every trough he can find!
I'm glad I said No
It didn't work the last time we were independent so how will it ever work this time. We need to stay in the United Kingdom of Great Britain !!!"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So many people are easily taken in by the media and Westminster spin. First of all these figures are while Westminster are in control of the Scottish economy, so they are saying that Westminster are in control during economic disaster (while still managing to install the lowest tax levels for the wealthy in history) but it is the fault of oil prices dropping. All Scotland's revenue from whiskey exports, which co-incidentally is about £15b is counted as English DOP as the tax is registered from London. So while Bothy rejoices over the fact that tens that of thousands of Scots have been shoved into poverty by his English masters, to keep the uperclesses richer, the rest of you believe the mis-management of the figures. Try to think for yourselves while Bothy master ages at the thought of being a pigs head for Cameron! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So many people are easily taken in by the media and Westminster spin. First of all these figures are while Westminster are in control of the Scottish economy, so they are saying that Westminster are in control during economic disaster (while still managing to install the lowest tax levels for the wealthy in history) but it is the fault of oil prices dropping. All Scotland's revenue from whiskey exports, which co-incidentally is about £15b is counted as English DOP as the tax is registered from London. So while Bothy rejoices over the fact that tens that of thousands of Scots have been shoved into poverty by his English masters, to keep the uperclesses richer, the rest of you believe the mis-management of the figures. Try to think for yourselves while Bothy master ages at the thought of being a pigs head for Cameron!"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Thank's the tory's one of my neighbour's who i was speaking to yesterday has just been told he is losing £30 a week in his DLA money, he is in a wheelchair after losing both his legs 4 years ago, he was only getting £230 a month now he gets £110 to live on.
No one can say for sure this wouldn't have happened if we had gotten independence but can definitely say it did happen because we didn't. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We need a complete government overhaul.
We can bail,out bankers yet our nation is in horrendous debt. Caused by faulse wars mainly....
We allow bankers too create money out of thin air and lend it too us at interest. Creating more debt than cash in circulation. There is no way out of the deficit. It is all scaremongering bullshit.. The government have no interest in reducing it. Lobbying insures this...
We had the chance to privatise the banking sector with the bailout. But unfortunately our government think its better to sell the shares off at a cut rate price to the very people who caused the crisis in the first place.....
Wee need to model ourselves on Iceland if we were ever to become independant. Just cant see it being allowed to happen "
We bailed out 'BANKS' not bankERS because it would have been worse for our economy and the people with their money in those banks to let them fail
The way the media spin it you would think they literally took money out of wee jeanies pension and gave it to a ceo of a bank just because the ceo was their pal  |
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Classic believe the hype........unless its snp hype. I voted no before I hear the typical yes voter response.of course the uk govt is going to do all they can to justify that the correct decision was made that dosnt make everything they say true. So many complex things are req to show exactly what the difference would be not to mention the changes that an independant govt would have made. Its simplistic to say I was right while spouting figures that dont take anything into account. I still believe I made the right choice.......for that time and circumstance that was placed before us. Who knows what changes will be in the next proposal. Im sure there will be folk swapping sides dependant on these changes |
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"Classic believe the hype........unless its snp hype. I voted no before I hear the typical yes voter response.of course the uk govt is going to do all they can to justify that the correct decision was made that dosnt make everything they say true. So many complex things are req to show exactly what the difference would be not to mention the changes that an independant govt would have made. Its simplistic to say I was right while spouting figures that dont take anything into account. I still believe I made the right choice.......for that time and circumstance that was placed before us. Who knows what changes will be in the next proposal. Im sure there will be folk swapping sides dependant on these changes"
I agree...... And I'm more than capable of seeing through Westminster/ media..... And snp spin  |
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bottom line was that all the lies, from both sides were seen through by both sides and the SNP lies proved more dangerous to Scotland. Had we voted Yes, we wold be on the verge of some extremely difficult financial times |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So many people are easily taken in by the media and Westminster spin. First of all these figures are while Westminster are in control of the Scottish economy, so they are saying that Westminster are in control during economic disaster (while still managing to install the lowest tax levels for the wealthy in history) but it is the fault of oil prices dropping. All Scotland's revenue from whiskey exports, which co-incidentally is about £15b is counted as English DOP as the tax is registered from London. So while Bothy rejoices over the fact that tens that of thousands of Scots have been shoved into poverty by his English masters, to keep the uperclesses richer, the rest of you believe the mis-management of the figures. Try to think for yourselves while Bothy master ages at the thought of being a pigs head for Cameron!"
Is that the 15b that Scotland gave The Westminster to fund their lies deceit and peadophile chain .. ?
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"You do know that the Tory government are a bunch of lying money orientated greedy fuckwits, if you read Tory propaganda you'll support Tory, try reading independent not ruled by the government information "
This is a description of EVERY party. . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"........I'm sure the 'Yes' voters will be along shortly to thank us 'No' voters for saving them from economic ruin.
A £15billion deficit, the poor man of Europe, according to the official figures. I feel quite proud to have saved my fellow Scots from economic suicide.
Of course the bold Alex won't be too bothered, he now has his nose in every trough he can find! "
Because the fact we even have a deficit was caused by an independent Scotland eh... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We need a complete government overhaul.
We can bail,out bankers yet our nation is in horrendous debt. Caused by faulse wars mainly....
We allow bankers too create money out of thin air and lend it too us at interest. Creating more debt than cash in circulation. There is no way out of the deficit. It is all scaremongering bullshit.. The government have no interest in reducing it. Lobbying insures this...
We had the chance to privatise the banking sector with the bailout. But unfortunately our government think its better to sell the shares off at a cut rate price to the very people who caused the crisis in the first place.....
Wee need to model ourselves on Iceland if we were ever to become independant. Just cant see it being allowed to happen
We bailed out 'BANKS' not bankERS because it would have been worse for our economy and the people with their money in those banks to let them fail
The way the media spin it you would think they literally took money out of wee jeanies pension and gave it to a ceo of a bank just because the ceo was their pal "
It was the bankers who were creating false mortgage portfolios. Putting AAA rating mortgaged in with B rating mortgages and then lending on their strength. Knowing fine well when the interest rates rise the people with b mortgages would most likely fail. Causing whole portfolios to become in deficit. Creating a housing bubble that had no option but to burst. Effectively creating a crisis.
The government allowed This to happen. With absolutely no punishment for the folk involved.
Sure it didn't come directly fro. Wee Jennie's pension fund then. But just look at what's happening regards pensions now. A knock on affect in my opinion.
Bankers literally get away with murder. HSBC for example helping drug cartels launder billions in cash. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Maybe if Scotland had had control over her own revenue she wouldn't be so poor IF that's even true... all politicians manipulate things to suit themsevles, it's the thing I find most disgusting. If there was ONE out there that actually cared and worked for their country and it's people I would vote for them no matter what party they were. |
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"We need a complete government overhaul.
We can bail,out bankers yet our nation is in horrendous debt. Caused by faulse wars mainly....
We allow bankers too create money out of thin air and lend it too us at interest. Creating more debt than cash in circulation. There is no way out of the deficit. It is all scaremongering bullshit.. The government have no interest in reducing it. Lobbying insures this...
We had the chance to privatise the banking sector with the bailout. But unfortunately our government think its better to sell the shares off at a cut rate price to the very people who caused the crisis in the first place.....
Wee need to model ourselves on Iceland if we were ever to become independant. Just cant see it being allowed to happen
We bailed out 'BANKS' not bankERS because it would have been worse for our economy and the people with their money in those banks to let them fail
The way the media spin it you would think they literally took money out of wee jeanies pension and gave it to a ceo of a bank just because the ceo was their pal
It was the bankers who were creating false mortgage portfolios. Putting AAA rating mortgaged in with B rating mortgages and then lending on their strength. Knowing fine well when the interest rates rise the people with b mortgages would most likely fail. Causing whole portfolios to become in deficit. Creating a housing bubble that had no option but to burst. Effectively creating a crisis.
The government allowed This to happen. With absolutely no punishment for the folk involved.
Sure it didn't come directly fro. Wee Jennie's pension fund then. But just look at what's happening regards pensions now. A knock on affect in my opinion.
Bankers literally get away with murder. HSBC for example helping drug cartels launder billions in cash. "
Has someone been watching.. "the long short"?
The subprime lending scandal was a USA issue and not a European scandal let alone uk scandal so not to sure what your point is in connection with this thread. Yes it impacted on us and the rest of the world economy but unsure how our government could have stopped subprime lending in the US  |
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By *wiftiee OP Man
over a year ago
near Glasgow |
"You do know that the Tory government are a bunch of lying money orientated greedy fuckwits..... "
You need to keep up with current events, how many SNP politicians are currently suspended due to being caught.......fiddling of one sort or another!!! |
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"Thank's the tory's one of my neighbour's who i was speaking to yesterday has just been told he is losing £30 a week in his DLA money, he is in a wheelchair after losing both his legs 4 years ago, he was only getting £230 a month now he gets £110 to live on.
No one can say for sure this wouldn't have happened if we had gotten independence but can definitely say it did happen because we didn't. "
£110 a month to live on? Surely not. A person with such a disability would receive employment and support allowance along with the support element of it at around the £109 per week with a disabled element top up most likely from anything between £15 and £60 and then there would be DLA or PIP mobility at either £21 or £57 per week depending on which level.
The minimum amount an able-bodied adult over 25 is £73.40 |
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By *wiftiee OP Man
over a year ago
near Glasgow |
" So while Bothy rejoices over the fact that tens that of thousands of Scots have been shoved into poverty by his English masters, to keep the upperclasses richer, the rest of you believe the mis-management of the figures. Try to think for yourselves while Bothy master ages at the thought of being a pigs head for Cameron!"
"English masters". I really am getting fed up listening to the constant SNP rubbish, blaming ALL our troubles on the English, or the dreadful Tories.
So the independence alternative, being ruled by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels??
Once again I ask the question, what's the point of getting independence from Westminster, and then being ruled by Brussels??? |
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By *wiftiee OP Man
over a year ago
near Glasgow |
"bottom line was that all the lies, from both sides were seen through by both sides and the SNP lies proved more dangerous to Scotland. Had we voted Yes, we wold be on the verge of some extremely difficult financial times"
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"So many people are easily taken in by the media and Westminster spin. First of all these figures are while Westminster are in control of the Scottish economy, so they are saying that Westminster are in control during economic disaster (while still managing to install the lowest tax levels for the wealthy in history) but it is the fault of oil prices dropping. All Scotland's revenue from whiskey exports, which co-incidentally is about £15b is counted as English DOP as the tax is registered from London. So while Bothy rejoices over the fact that tens that of thousands of Scots have been shoved into poverty by his English masters, to keep the uperclesses richer, the rest of you believe the mis-management of the figures. Try to think for yourselves while Bothy master ages at the thought of being a pigs head for Cameron!"
There's an awful lot that's wrong in here so I'll address it point by point
1) Gers are the Scottish Government's own figures, they're not media or Westminster spin. If you look back in time a bit you'll see the SNP trumpeting these figures when they thought it suited them, it's only now it doesn't suit them that they are suddenly trying to discredit them.
2)It's only an 'economic disaster' if we're independent. The fact is, without a large income from gas or oil we will always require subsidy from the UK govt. This doesn't mean we're poor, or stupid etc it's just the reality of having a relatively small population spread over a large land area. It makes higher public expenditure inevitable.
3)The thing about whisky is a descredited myth spread by some nats. There is no tax paid on whisky exports. The duty paid on whisky in foreign markets is paid in those countries. In the same way that the tax we pay for French wine goes to the UK exchequer duty paid on whisky in foreign countries goes to their own governments. I'd love to know who's peddalling the £15bn myth. The Scottish whisky association confirm the total tax contributed is less than £1bn
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
glasgow |
I understand that it's easy to type anything and claim it's a fact so with regards to the nats whisky myth I've taken the following quote from the Scotch Whisky Associations website:
'In its direct impact, the Scotch Whisky industry adds value of nearly £3.3bn to the economy, employs
10,800 workers, and generates almost £530m in salaries for its employees.
In indirect and induced impacts, the industry adds a further £1.7bn in value.
Most of the economic impact (95% or £4.8bn) is felt within Scotland but a significant minority (5% or
£274m) falls to the rest of the UK.' |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We need a complete government overhaul.
We can bail,out bankers yet our nation is in horrendous debt. Caused by faulse wars mainly....
We allow bankers too create money out of thin air and lend it too us at interest. Creating more debt than cash in circulation. There is no way out of the deficit. It is all scaremongering bullshit.. The government have no interest in reducing it. Lobbying insures this...
We had the chance to privatise the banking sector with the bailout. But unfortunately our government think its better to sell the shares off at a cut rate price to the very people who caused the crisis in the first place.....
Wee need to model ourselves on Iceland if we were ever to become independant. Just cant see it being allowed to happen
We bailed out 'BANKS' not bankERS because it would have been worse for our economy and the people with their money in those banks to let them fail
The way the media spin it you would think they literally took money out of wee jeanies pension and gave it to a ceo of a bank just because the ceo was their pal
It was the bankers who were creating false mortgage portfolios. Putting AAA rating mortgaged in with B rating mortgages and then lending on their strength. Knowing fine well when the interest rates rise the people with b mortgages would most likely fail. Causing whole portfolios to become in deficit. Creating a housing bubble that had no option but to burst. Effectively creating a crisis.
The government allowed This to happen. With absolutely no punishment for the folk involved.
Sure it didn't come directly fro. Wee Jennie's pension fund then. But just look at what's happening regards pensions now. A knock on affect in my opinion.
Bankers literally get away with murder. HSBC for example helping drug cartels launder billions in cash.
Has someone been watching.. "the long short"?
The subprime lending scandal was a USA issue and not a European scandal let alone uk scandal so not to sure what your point is in connection with this thread. Yes it impacted on us and the rest of the world economy but unsure how our government could have stopped subprime lending in the US "
Are you suggesting our economies aren't linked????
Imf, wcb, federal reserve ect ect ect. Are all owned by the same people. Coincidence. Hmmmm ??
Yes I did watch the movie. But if you do some research for yourself you will easily find that our banks were gambling our money in the US housing market!!!
Same shit done differently...
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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago
glasgow |
The reason the UK and most economies are struggling is because of the gambling of the major banks on sub prime mortgages etc.....Oh and the SNP?,.....delusional at best wicked at worst....you only need to pick which you believe, thank goodness we wont have an indy 2 ....even Nicola knows that boat is sunk now |
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"We need a complete government overhaul.
We can bail,out bankers yet our nation is in horrendous debt. Caused by faulse wars mainly....
We allow bankers too create money out of thin air and lend it too us at interest. Creating more debt than cash in circulation. There is no way out of the deficit. It is all scaremongering bullshit.. The government have no interest in reducing it. Lobbying insures this...
We had the chance to privatise the banking sector with the bailout. But unfortunately our government think its better to sell the shares off at a cut rate price to the very people who caused the crisis in the first place.....
Wee need to model ourselves on Iceland if we were ever to become independant. Just cant see it being allowed to happen
We bailed out 'BANKS' not bankERS because it would have been worse for our economy and the people with their money in those banks to let them fail
The way the media spin it you would think they literally took money out of wee jeanies pension and gave it to a ceo of a bank just because the ceo was their pal
It was the bankers who were creating false mortgage portfolios. Putting AAA rating mortgaged in with B rating mortgages and then lending on their strength. Knowing fine well when the interest rates rise the people with b mortgages would most likely fail. Causing whole portfolios to become in deficit. Creating a housing bubble that had no option but to burst. Effectively creating a crisis.
The government allowed This to happen. With absolutely no punishment for the folk involved.
Sure it didn't come directly fro. Wee Jennie's pension fund then. But just look at what's happening regards pensions now. A knock on affect in my opinion.
Bankers literally get away with murder. HSBC for example helping drug cartels launder billions in cash.
Has someone been watching.. "the long short"?
The subprime lending scandal was a USA issue and not a European scandal let alone uk scandal so not to sure what your point is in connection with this thread. Yes it impacted on us and the rest of the world economy but unsure how our government could have stopped subprime lending in the US
Are you suggesting our economies aren't linked????
Imf, wcb, federal reserve ect ect ect. Are all owned by the same people. Coincidence. Hmmmm ??
Yes I did watch the movie. But if you do some research for yourself you will easily find that our banks were gambling our money in the US housing market!!!
Same shit done differently...
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And are you suggesting that our government has the power and the right to legislate USA, to have insight into what was happening there with subprime lending unlike the US government? Are you suggesting the our government has the right to stop privately owned banks from branching out into other countries such as the US and yes I am well aware banks such as the RBS got burnt as part of the subprime lending scandal but as a business that was their risk to take.
I am interested in what you believe our government at the time could have realistically have done and what they can do if/when the arse falls out the Chinese economy? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We need a complete government overhaul.
We can bail,out bankers yet our nation is in horrendous debt. Caused by faulse wars mainly....
We allow bankers too create money out of thin air and lend it too us at interest. Creating more debt than cash in circulation. There is no way out of the deficit. It is all scaremongering bullshit.. The government have no interest in reducing it. Lobbying insures this...
We had the chance to privatise the banking sector with the bailout. But unfortunately our government think its better to sell the shares off at a cut rate price to the very people who caused the crisis in the first place.....
Wee need to model ourselves on Iceland if we were ever to become independant. Just cant see it being allowed to happen
We bailed out 'BANKS' not bankERS because it would have been worse for our economy and the people with their money in those banks to let them fail
The way the media spin it you would think they literally took money out of wee jeanies pension and gave it to a ceo of a bank just because the ceo was their pal
It was the bankers who were creating false mortgage portfolios. Putting AAA rating mortgaged in with B rating mortgages and then lending on their strength. Knowing fine well when the interest rates rise the people with b mortgages would most likely fail. Causing whole portfolios to become in deficit. Creating a housing bubble that had no option but to burst. Effectively creating a crisis.
The government allowed This to happen. With absolutely no punishment for the folk involved.
Sure it didn't come directly fro. Wee Jennie's pension fund then. But just look at what's happening regards pensions now. A knock on affect in my opinion.
Bankers literally get away with murder. HSBC for example helping drug cartels launder billions in cash.
Has someone been watching.. "the long short"?
The subprime lending scandal was a USA issue and not a European scandal let alone uk scandal so not to sure what your point is in connection with this thread. Yes it impacted on us and the rest of the world economy but unsure how our government could have stopped subprime lending in the US
Are you suggesting our economies aren't linked????
Imf, wcb, federal reserve ect ect ect. Are all owned by the same people. Coincidence. Hmmmm ??
Yes I did watch the movie. But if you do some research for yourself you will easily find that our banks were gambling our money in the US housing market!!!
Same shit done differently...
And are you suggesting that our government has the power and the right to legislate USA, to have insight into what was happening there with subprime lending unlike the US government? Are you suggesting the our government has the right to stop privately owned banks from branching out into other countries such as the US and yes I am well aware banks such as the RBS got burnt as part of the subprime lending scandal but as a business that was their risk to take.
I am interested in what you believe our government at the time could have realistically have done and what they can do if/when the arse falls out the Chinese economy? "
I honestly believe that our puppet government and any government for that matter have absolutely no control over a situation like this.. I do however believe that they are aware of the situation. Yet didn't even pretend to stop it.
We have absolutely no control over our own economy. It's all premeditated in my view...
As you said when the arse falls out of china will make for an interesting situation. That's if the euro doesnt collapse first.
Sorry for hijacking your thread dude... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The oil & gas industry is knackered, a reported 70000 people across the uk have been made redundant due to the collapse. These are direct workers & supply chain from steel mills to local suppliers. Would independance cured the collapse? I think not & i voted yes. Every days a gamble |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's a gamble worth taking if you feel it would bring forward change..
Sure we can't control oil prices.... But with a Norwegian style attitude towards our oil and gas sector we could have so much more potential.. Could this happen tho.. Financially regarding buying out current drilling rights contracts ect.. |
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"So many people are easily taken in by the media and Westminster spin. First of all these figures are while Westminster are in control of the Scottish economy, so they are saying that Westminster are in control during economic disaster (while still managing to install the lowest tax levels for the wealthy in history) but it is the fault of oil prices dropping. All Scotland's revenue from whiskey exports, which co-incidentally is about £15b is counted as English DOP as the tax is registered from London. So while Bothy rejoices over the fact that tens that of thousands of Scots have been shoved into poverty by his English masters, to keep the uperclesses richer, the rest of you believe the mis-management of the figures. Try to think for yourselves while Bothy master ages at the thought of being a pigs head for Cameron!"
very good post
only problem is that the SNP has no (ZERO) opposition in Scotland, other 3 parties are run by Westminster puppets, this in turn allows snp a free reign to do as the please
I am sure Scotland could have done well as an independent country if all tax went to Scotland and not to Westminster but then Westminster will never let that happen and they have spin doctors that will brush the wool over most Scots eyes, you can see that with the amount of NO voters who genuinely think they have saved us all (which does make you laugh).
At the same time, Scotland has as much chance of becoming independent as California does in the USA which is zero, this is simply down to people with no bottle, no determination, no up and go spirit, no fight and really no future, sad and disappointing
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The drop in oil prices has caused £15b drop in Scotland's GDP! And people are calling it a catastrophe. The Westminster government is spending exactly half that, £7.5bn, on upgrading one building, the Houses of Parliament, they are spending ten times that amount on a weapon of mass destruction which is near Glasgow because it is too dangerous to put near London. They are spending the same amount £15bn on a rail link that goes nowhere near Scotland! They are spending billions bombing poor countries around the world. But hey, they do save a couple of million by evicting the poorest people who are so evil as to have a spare bedroom! Yeah we are better together! |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
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"15bn a year in wisky. £3000 a person. That's a fortune!"
I've already posted about this above. It's a blatant lie.
The thing about whisky is a descredited myth spread by some nats. There is no tax paid on whisky exports. The duty paid on whisky in foreign markets is paid in those countries. In the same way that the tax we pay for French wine goes to the UK exchequer duty paid on whisky in foreign countries goes to their own governments. I'd love to know who's peddalling the £15bn myth. The Scottish whisky association confirm the total tax contributed is less than £1bn.
I've taken the following quote from the Scotch Whisky Associations website:
'In its direct impact, the Scotch Whisky industry adds value of nearly £3.3bn to the economy, employs
10,800 workers, and generates almost £530m in salaries for its employees.
In indirect and induced impacts, the industry adds a further £1.7bn in value.
Most of the economic impact (95% or £4.8bn) is felt within Scotland but a significant minority (5% or
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"So many people are easily taken in by the media and Westminster spin. First of all these figures are while Westminster are in control of the Scottish economy, so they are saying that Westminster are in control during economic disaster (while still managing to install the lowest tax levels for the wealthy in history) but it is the fault of oil prices dropping. All Scotland's revenue from whiskey exports, which co-incidentally is about £15b is counted as English DOP as the tax is registered from London. So while Bothy rejoices over the fact that tens that of thousands of Scots have been shoved into poverty by his English masters, to keep the uperclesses richer, the rest of you believe the mis-management of the figures. Try to think for yourselves while Bothy master ages at the thought of being a pigs head for Cameron!
very good post
only problem is that the SNP has no (ZERO) opposition in Scotland, other 3 parties are run by Westminster puppets, this in turn allows snp a free reign to do as the please
I am sure Scotland could have done well as an independent country if all tax went to Scotland and not to Westminster but then Westminster will never let that happen and they have spin doctors that will brush the wool over most Scots eyes, you can see that with the amount of NO voters who genuinely think they have saved us all (which does make you laugh).
At the same time, Scotland has as much chance of becoming independent as California does in the USA which is zero, this is simply down to people with no bottle, no determination, no up and go spirit, no fight and really no future, sad and disappointing
people are frightened of change and like to live in the security of the stockholm syndrome "
See now this is what pisses me off!! The snp " puppets" that think that the no voters only voted that way because of fear and that somehow we are unpatriotic ..... What on earth makes you think that we are not capable ( the same way you are) of making our decisions based on what we think would be better for us at the time |
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"So many people are easily taken in by the media and Westminster spin. First of all these figures are while Westminster are in control of the Scottish economy, so they are saying that Westminster are in control during economic disaster (while still managing to install the lowest tax levels for the wealthy in history) but it is the fault of oil prices dropping. All Scotland's revenue from whiskey exports, which co-incidentally is about £15b is counted as English DOP as the tax is registered from London. So while Bothy rejoices over the fact that tens that of thousands of Scots have been shoved into poverty by his English masters, to keep the uperclesses richer, the rest of you believe the mis-management of the figures. Try to think for yourselves while Bothy master ages at the thought of being a pigs head for Cameron!
very good post
only problem is that the SNP has no (ZERO) opposition in Scotland, other 3 parties are run by Westminster puppets, this in turn allows snp a free reign to do as the please
I am sure Scotland could have done well as an independent country if all tax went to Scotland and not to Westminster but then Westminster will never let that happen and they have spin doctors that will brush the wool over most Scots eyes, you can see that with the amount of NO voters who genuinely think they have saved us all (which does make you laugh).
At the same time, Scotland has as much chance of becoming independent as California does in the USA which is zero, this is simply down to people with no bottle, no determination, no up and go spirit, no fight and really no future, sad and disappointing
people are frightened of change and like to live in the security of the stockholm syndrome
See now this is what pisses me off!! The snp " puppets" that think that the no voters only voted that way because of fear and that somehow we are unpatriotic ..... What on earth makes you think that we are not capable ( the same way you are) of making our decisions based on what we think would be better for us at the time "
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I thinks it's because you all like to bend over and take it up the ass from the English, believe all the lies and bull they tell you and your too busy saying yes sir no sir to actually hear what's going on"
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I thinks it's because you all like to bend over and take it up the ass from the English, believe all the lies and bull they tell you and your too busy saying yes sir no sir to actually hear what's going on
Aw thanks for proving my point "
I believe there were people who made the decision to vote no based on the fact that they honestly thought it was best for the country but I also believe that number to be very small, larger number are based on pensioners who were told they will lose their pension if it's a yes vote, but a week after the vote the bank of England revealed they had plans to ensure the safety of their pensions & the pound in Scotland the entire time. Scaremongering played a huge part in the no vote.
Now the one that will get some backlash but it is true, if rangers fans didn't associate the British flag with their team I 100% honestly believe this would now be an independent Scotland, the next day in George square proves this very theory, the entirety of larkhall proves this lol people have straight up admitted to me & I mean at least 20! They voted no either becuase they are rangers supporters or becuase they're protestant.
My dad is also one of these people, he's not usually like that but for 2weeks after the no vote he went around the house singing God save the queen & rangers songs.
Reject that if you will hit me with abuse if you want to but I'm afraid it did play a huge if not the biggest part in the no vote. |
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I thinks it's because you all like to bend over and take it up the ass from the English, believe all the lies and bull they tell you and your too busy saying yes sir no sir to actually hear what's going on
Aw thanks for proving my point "
don't think he was proving any point just speaking his mind, and I guess there is a flicker of truth in that
but regardless; is there any party in Scotland that can actually be trusted to be a good opposition against the snp
Labour, Tory & Lib Dem puppets are an embarrassment,
I guess I will not be voting this year as there is no - one party I can fully agree with |
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I thinks it's because you all like to bend over and take it up the ass from the English, believe all the lies and bull they tell you and your too busy saying yes sir no sir to actually hear what's going on
Aw thanks for proving my point I believe there were people who made the decision to vote no based on the fact that they honestly thought it was best for the country but I also believe that number to be very small, larger number are based on pensioners who were told they will lose their pension if it's a yes vote, but a week after the vote the bank of England revealed they had plans to ensure the safety of their pensions & the pound in Scotland the entire time. Scaremongering played a huge part in the no vote.
Now the one that will get some backlash but it is true, if rangers fans didn't associate the British flag with their team I 100% honestly believe this would now be an independent Scotland, the next day in George square proves this very theory, the entirety of larkhall proves this lol people have straight up admitted to me & I mean at least 20! They voted no either becuase they are rangers supporters or becuase they're protestant.
My dad is also one of these people, he's not usually like that but for 2weeks after the no vote he went around the house singing God save the queen & rangers songs.
Reject that if you will hit me with abuse if you want to but I'm afraid it did play a huge if not the biggest part in the no vote."
yep you are fairly spot on; I have good friends in Larkhall that long before the independence vote considered themselves British first then English, then Scottish even although born in Scotland!
When a Scotland / England match was played they supported England; weird but as you say, the majority of Rangers fans are lost in the soul of football and voted entirely for that reason.
Do they still have continuous orange walks playing in the pubs, at first I thought it was on the news on TV until going up for a second and third pint and realising it was a continuous orange walk being played on tv. Job Centre windows getting smashed because they are green, and grass getting sprayed blue
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I thinks it's because you all like to bend over and take it up the ass from the English, believe all the lies and bull they tell you and your too busy saying yes sir no sir to actually hear what's going on
Aw thanks for proving my point I believe there were people who made the decision to vote no based on the fact that they honestly thought it was best for the country but I also believe that number to be very small, larger number are based on pensioners who were told they will lose their pension if it's a yes vote, but a week after the vote the bank of England revealed they had plans to ensure the safety of their pensions & the pound in Scotland the entire time. Scaremongering played a huge part in the no vote.
Now the one that will get some backlash but it is true, if rangers fans didn't associate the British flag with their team I 100% honestly believe this would now be an independent Scotland, the next day in George square proves this very theory, the entirety of larkhall proves this lol people have straight up admitted to me & I mean at least 20! They voted no either becuase they are rangers supporters or becuase they're protestant.
My dad is also one of these people, he's not usually like that but for 2weeks after the no vote he went around the house singing God save the queen & rangers songs.
Reject that if you will hit me with abuse if you want to but I'm afraid it did play a huge if not the biggest part in the no vote."
I've no intention of giving anyone abuse..... I will leave that to the folk who think that just because you disagree with them your somehow stupid and incapable of making rational decisions based on finding out facts for yourself and not believing scaremongering.....
I have nothing against folk who voted yes if that's what they believe was best for them, and I have no need to call them names either |
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I thinks it's because you all like to bend over and take it up the ass from the English, believe all the lies and bull they tell you and your too busy saying yes sir no sir to actually hear what's going on
Aw thanks for proving my point I believe there were people who made the decision to vote no based on the fact that they honestly thought it was best for the country but I also believe that number to be very small, larger number are based on pensioners who were told they will lose their pension if it's a yes vote, but a week after the vote the bank of England revealed they had plans to ensure the safety of their pensions & the pound in Scotland the entire time. Scaremongering played a huge part in the no vote.
Now the one that will get some backlash but it is true, if rangers fans didn't associate the British flag with their team I 100% honestly believe this would now be an independent Scotland, the next day in George square proves this very theory, the entirety of larkhall proves this lol people have straight up admitted to me & I mean at least 20! They voted no either becuase they are rangers supporters or becuase they're protestant.
My dad is also one of these people, he's not usually like that but for 2weeks after the no vote he went around the house singing God save the queen & rangers songs.
Reject that if you will hit me with abuse if you want to but I'm afraid it did play a huge if not the biggest part in the no vote.
I've no intention of giving anyone abuse..... I will leave that to the folk who think that just because you disagree with them your somehow stupid and incapable of making rational decisions based on finding out facts for yourself and not believing scaremongering.....
I have nothing against folk who voted yes if that's what they believe was best for them, and I have no need to call them names either "
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"The drop in oil prices has caused £15b drop in Scotland's GDP! And people are calling it a catastrophe. The Westminster government is spending exactly half that, £7.5bn, on upgrading one building, the Houses of Parliament, they are spending ten times that amount on a weapon of mass destruction which is near Glasgow because it is too dangerous to put near London. They are spending the same amount £15bn on a rail link that goes nowhere near Scotland! They are spending billions bombing poor countries around the world. But hey, they do save a couple of million by evicting the poorest people who are so evil as to have a spare bedroom! Yeah we are better together! "
I don't think many people want HS2, either here or in the rest of the UK. The issue re trident is difficult to quantify though. Even if we use CND's figures (and we can assume they have gone for the highest possible amount) they have estimated it will cost between £2bn and £2.4bn per year. In terms of Scotland that would equate to about £200 - £240m per year. The question then becomes, how much does trident bring to the local economy on the Clyde and Faslane in terms of jobs etc? It's hard to say exactly but there's every chance it could be a similar amount. |
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By *wiftiee OP Man
over a year ago
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"So many people are easily taken in by the media and Westminster spin. First of all these figures are while Westminster are in control of the Scottish economy, so they are saying that Westminster are in control during economic disaster (while still managing to install the lowest tax levels for the wealthy in history) but it is the fault of oil prices dropping. All Scotland's revenue from whiskey exports, which co-incidentally is about £15b is counted as English DOP as the tax is registered from London. So while Bothy rejoices over the fact that tens that of thousands of Scots have been shoved into poverty by his English masters, to keep the uperclesses richer, the rest of you believe the mis-management of the figures. Try to think for yourselves while Bothy master ages at the thought of being a pigs head for Cameron!
very good post
only problem is that the SNP has no (ZERO) opposition in Scotland, other 3 parties are run by Westminster puppets, this in turn allows snp a free reign to do as the please
I am sure Scotland could have done well as an independent country if all tax went to Scotland and not to Westminster but then Westminster will never let that happen and they have spin doctors that will brush the wool over most Scots eyes, you can see that with the amount of NO voters who genuinely think they have saved us all (which does make you laugh).
At the same time, Scotland has as much chance of becoming independent as California does in the USA which is zero, this is simply down to people with no bottle, no determination, no up and go spirit, no fight and really no future, sad and disappointing
people are frightened of change and like to live in the security of the stockholm syndrome
See now this is what pisses me off!! The snp " puppets" that think that the no voters only voted that way because of fear and that somehow we are unpatriotic ..... What on earth makes you think that we are not capable ( the same way you are) of making our decisions based on what we think would be better for us at the time "
Getting very tired of this too! |
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Yes we are a one party state. A party that only has one MP in Scotland but can still drag us into illegal wars, take £30 per week off our disabled and punish the poorest for daring to have a spare bedroom and at the same time put us £1.56 TRILLION in debt, while saying the Scottish government is fiscally incompetent, and Bothy, I'm a Tory, tells us that scots are incapable of running our own country. But at least the tax threshold for the richest has been lowered! Better together? only the richest 1% |
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"You do know that the Tory government are a bunch of lying money orientated greedy fuckwits, if you read Tory propaganda you'll support Tory, try reading independent not ruled by the government information "
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"Yes we are a one party state. A party that only has one MP in Scotland but can still drag us into illegal wars, take £30 per week off our disabled and punish the poorest for daring to have a spare bedroom and at the same time put us £1.56 TRILLION in debt, while saying the Scottish government is fiscally incompetent, and Bothy, I'm a Tory, tells us that scots are incapable of running our own country. But at least the tax threshold for the richest has been lowered! Better together? only the richest 1%"
You truly must feel horribly downtrodden on a daily basis. How do you even make it out of bed every day with the crushing weight of the UK government (which the SNP are part of) bearing down on you, looking to fuck up your life as best they can at every turn? |
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"I thinks it's because you all like to bend over and take it up the ass from the English, believe all the lies and bull they tell you and your too busy saying yes sir no sir to actually hear what's going on"
Brilliant argument! I completely see the reasoning and intelligent rationale in what you're saying there. |
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There's some real nastiness and bitterness on this thread, which is why I hate talking about politics and religion. People seem to think it's ok to say someone with an opposing view is stupid, blind, living in fear.
The vast majority of people I've met are quite capable of looking at all the facts available and making their decision accordingly.
I voted no, I believe that was the right choice for me and I stand by it. Do I call Yes voters names, or belittle them? No. Because I'm an adult. |
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But first, the news: The House of Commons was sealed off today after police chased an escaped lunatic through the front door during Prime Minister's question time. A spokesman at Scotland Yard said it was like looking for a needle in a haystack.
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"But first, the news: The House of Commons was sealed off today after police chased an escaped lunatic through the front door during Prime Minister's question time. A spokesman at Scotland Yard said it was like looking for a needle in a haystack.
lighten up people "
Surely looking for a needle in a needle stack |
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"The oil & gas industry is knackered, a reported 70000 people across the uk have been made redundant due to the collapse. These are direct workers & supply chain from steel mills to local suppliers. Would independance cured the collapse? I think not & i voted yes. Every days a gamble"
Why is the oil & gas industry knackered???
What was the price of oil on 1999/2000 was it higher or lower than now (I will give you a clue on where to start - $12)
Do you know how much it costs to produce one barrel of oil??
what about the new fields west of Shetland??
what about existing fields, buzzard, elgin etc ???
What about new projects ongoing???
What about oil EOR???
Oil & Gas is far from knackered, its just another slump same as we see every 8 - 10 years and you then read reports and hear broadcasts from reporters and government officials who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and while they broadcast they still show out dated pics & films of the Brents
Oil & Gas is on a low at this moment same as back in the 80's, same as 1999/2000 and like these times, it will pick up again
if not, maybe we should call Total, Shell, BP, Chevron and inform them, tell then to halt all their ongoing multi billion pound projects |
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"But first, the news: The House of Commons was sealed off today after police chased an escaped lunatic through the front door during Prime Minister's question time. A spokesman at Scotland Yard said it was like looking for a needle in a haystack.
lighten up people "
Surely not.....Corbyn stands out like a sore thumb !!! |
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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago
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The one thing i do know for sure, if there is an "Indy 2". It will lead to further divisions, recreate the same ugly atmosphere and make me despair for this country ,which i once believed was a good land with friendly open people... i was wrong as the events of only 18months ago showed  |
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I was and always will be a yes supporter and I'm proud that I had the guts to vote yes,I didn't think that my generation would have reaped the benefits of an independent Scotland but I did it so that our future generations might have had a better time of it. No doubt in my mind that it will happen one day.. Saor alba |
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"I was and always will be a yes supporter and I'm proud that I had the guts to vote yes,I didn't think that my generation would have reaped the benefits of an independent Scotland but I did it so that our future generations might have had a better time of it. No doubt in my mind that it will happen one day.. Saor alba "
great thoughts for yourself. But saying you had the guts to say yes comes across as if those who voted no have no guts which couldnt be further from the truth. We were all asked to vote and I believe most folk voted with what they believe was best for our nation not as some have alluded to football and religion. Like it or lump it some folk see themselves as british its the island they were born on scotland for now at least is british. And that was the decision of the have guts scottish people |
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"Yes we are a one party state. A party that only has one MP in Scotland but can still drag us into illegal wars, take £30 per week off our disabled and punish the poorest for daring to have a spare bedroom and at the same time put us £1.56 TRILLION in debt, while saying the Scottish government is fiscally incompetent, and Bothy, I'm a Tory, tells us that scots are incapable of running our own country. But at least the tax threshold for the richest has been lowered! Better together? only the richest 1%
You truly must feel horribly downtrodden on a daily basis. How do you even make it out of bed every day with the crushing weight of the UK government (which the SNP are part of) bearing down on you, looking to fuck up your life as best they can at every turn?"
Interesting how you never responded to any of the points made but just resorted to cheap insults. I love my life but I do hate what is being done to the poorest and most vulnerable in this country and people like you who are not only compliant with it but actually rejoice at their suffering caused by a regime that less than 15% of the Scottish electorate voted for. |
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"The one thing i do know for sure, if there is an "Indy 2". It will lead to further divisions, recreate the same ugly atmosphere and make me despair for this country ,which i once believed was a good land with friendly open people... i was wrong as the events of only 18months ago showed "
I take it you are talking about the thugs who came to George square the day after the referendum with their union jacks and rioted, spitting and hitting females yes supporter So? Or perhaps the two thugs who attacked the pregnant yes campaigner days before the vote, or the no supporter who tried to run down Alex Salmond? Or maybe the fact that poor Jim Smurphy got hit by an egg!
Personally I loved the fact that we had lively political debate, the carnival atmosphere and the fact that a large percentage of the population who had never taken an interest before woke up to the injustices that were being done. |
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The Snp finally seen in all their glory...they bring a whole new meaning to No Surrender. There will always be a threat of another referendum until they get their way. Simples.
Quite how they differentiate between being ruled by Westminster and being ruled by a bunch of unelected, unaccountable lunatics, led by A Haus Frau in Berlin is way beyond me.
Let's reverse the Highland Clearances and call everywhere north of Inverness New Africa.
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"I was and always will be a yes supporter and I'm proud that I had the guts to vote yes,I didn't think that my generation would have reaped the benefits of an independent Scotland but I did it so that our future generations might have had a better time of it. No doubt in my mind that it will happen one day.. Saor alba "
And you've just done it there - 'the guts'. Why can't some people accept that others have different views? |
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"I was and always will be a yes supporter and I'm proud that I had the guts to vote yes,I didn't think that my generation would have reaped the benefits of an independent Scotland but I did it so that our future generations might have had a better time of it. No doubt in my mind that it will happen one day.. Saor alba great thoughts for yourself. But saying you had the guts to say yes comes across as if those who voted no have no guts which couldnt be further from the truth. We were all asked to vote and I believe most folk voted with what they believe was best for our nation not as some have alluded to football and religion. Like it or lump it some folk see themselves as british its the island they were born on scotland for now at least is british. And that was the decision of the have guts scottish people"
Perhaps guts was a poor choice of word lol but I sometimes wonder if some of the people who did vote no did it purely because of the fear campaign that westmonster set upon us. One thing I always wondered though, do no voter's still sing flower of Scotland when our national teams play lol |
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"I was and always will be a yes supporter and I'm proud that I had the guts to vote yes,I didn't think that my generation would have reaped the benefits of an independent Scotland but I did it so that our future generations might have had a better time of it. No doubt in my mind that it will happen one day.. Saor alba great thoughts for yourself. But saying you had the guts to say yes comes across as if those who voted no have no guts which couldnt be further from the truth. We were all asked to vote and I believe most folk voted with what they believe was best for our nation not as some have alluded to football and religion. Like it or lump it some folk see themselves as british its the island they were born on scotland for now at least is british. And that was the decision of the have guts scottish people"
It's a blue moon when I agree with Kola,
But yes. I still describe myself as Scottish, I just believe we're better staying. |
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"I was and always will be a yes supporter and I'm proud that I had the guts to vote yes,I didn't think that my generation would have reaped the benefits of an independent Scotland but I did it so that our future generations might have had a better time of it. No doubt in my mind that it will happen one day.. Saor alba
And you've just done it there - 'the guts'. Why can't some people accept that others have different views? "
surely that works both ways though? I fully accept people have different views some of my good friends chose to vote no and I've also been abused by yes voter's because I didn't agree with them wanting to boycott tunnocks (I love a tea cake). Both sides are just as bad as each other. Politics and religion the two deadliest forces known to man lol |
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"I was and always will be a yes supporter and I'm proud that I had the guts to vote yes,I didn't think that my generation would have reaped the benefits of an independent Scotland but I did it so that our future generations might have had a better time of it. No doubt in my mind that it will happen one day.. Saor alba
And you've just done it there - 'the guts'. Why can't some people accept that others have different views?
surely that works both ways though? I fully accept people have different views some of my good friends chose to vote no and I've also been abused by yes voter's because I didn't agree with them wanting to boycott tunnocks (I love a tea cake). Both sides are just as bad as each other. Politics and religion the two deadliest forces known to man lol"
Yes it should work both ways, and in my case it does. I've never made derogatory comments to anyone who voted Yes. But you just did by saying us no voters don't have any guts. Which is offensive. |
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Apologies if anyone took offence to that, it wasn't my intention. I only meant that perhaps it took more guts to try and bring about a major historical and economical change in my country by deciding to vote yes than what it did by voting to keep things the same. I also fail to see how I'm contradicting myself, that's purely down to your interpretation of my comments. |
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"Apologies if anyone took offence to that, it wasn't my intention. I only meant that perhaps it took more guts to try and bring about a major historical and economical change in my country by deciding to vote yes than what it did by voting to keep things the same. I also fail to see how I'm contradicting myself, that's purely down to your interpretation of my comments. "
could it not be that it took more guts to realise that independance was not right for that time and to take the harder option to vote no. It took no more guts to vote yes than it did no. it was a choice that folk made in your eyes wrongly but to those folk you see the world completly diffrent. Acceptance is key no excuses no reasons why it was fixed just acceptance that the majority of scots felt the time was wrong or that they want to remain part of great britain.
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"Apologies if anyone took offence to that, it wasn't my intention. I only meant that perhaps it took more guts to try and bring about a major historical and economical change in my country by deciding to vote yes than what it did by voting to keep things the same. I also fail to see how I'm contradicting myself, that's purely down to your interpretation of my comments. "
When you said no voters didn't have the guts, then said you fully accept other people's opinions, that's a contradiction.
The yes voters decided that it was worth the risk, the no voters didn't think independence was the best option.
I believe that had Devo Max stayed on the table, that's what we would have now. But if it comes down to a straight yes/no vote, I vote no. Until it can be proved that it's financially viable and in our best interests. |
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"We need a complete government overhaul.
We can bail,out bankers yet our nation is in horrendous debt. Caused by faulse wars mainly....
We allow bankers too create money out of thin air and lend it too us at interest. Creating more debt than cash in circulation. There is no way out of the deficit. It is all scaremongering bullshit.. The government have no interest in reducing it. Lobbying insures this...
We had the chance to privatise the banking sector with the bailout. But unfortunately our government think its better to sell the shares off at a cut rate price to the very people who caused the crisis in the first place.....
Wee need to model ourselves on Iceland if we were ever to become independant. Just cant see it being allowed to happen "
What are you on about, Iceland became totally bankrupt after the banking crisis and is still really struggling |
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"I didn't once say that no voters didn't have any guts, if you read my comment it says that I had the guts, nothing was mentioned about no voters "
Thereby implying that no voters were too scared. See? |
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By *wiftiee OP Man
over a year ago
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I might, MIGHT be swayed towards independence, if it was linked with coming out of the EU.
But as I keep saying, what on earth is the point of getting independence from Westminster, and then being ruled by a corrupt and unelected bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels. People rant on about being ruled by the terrible Tories who got few votes in Scotland, and yet they'd be happy to be ruled by Brussels?? Could somebody explain that warped logic please?  |
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"I didn't once say that no voters didn't have any guts, if you read my comment it says that I had the guts, nothing was mentioned about no voters
Thereby implying that no voters were too scared. See?"
I wasn't trying to imply anything that's purely a misinterpretation on your part lol but we can go around in circles all night but I'd rather not lol so apologies if you took my comment the wrong way it wasn't intended to imply that no voters had no guts lol |
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One of the greatest changes in Scotland is that people have grown bored with moaners and naysayers. Don’t grumble — get it done.
Only scots will ever truly understand our mentality passions and hopes and be able to govern over us with ambitions to improve our nation at present can you honestly say Westminster has our best interests at heart they don't even have England's best interest at heart. Just London and its suburbs. Old Etonians run Scotland. For anyone who voted no you are allowed to have a differing view to the 45 hopefully when the European debate is over we may get another chance and I can be part of the 51 that stands up to be counted against the next old Etonian to be leader of Scotland Boris Johnston. It's scary that he may lead us alongside Donald trump |
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Haha, yeah, thanks from saving us from certain doom .
Consider this though.....
SNP wanted independence, yay, we're rich and don't need the UK. Now, SNP want to stay in Europe and alas we're terribly poor and need the EU.
The cold hard truth.....
Your vote means nothing. The super powers in this world didn't want the UK breaking up and guess what, we "lost" the vote. The exact same thing will happen in the EU indy vote because the same powers don't want us out of Europe any more than they wanted Scotland out of the UK.
We're not really free, you think you can vote how you please but you can't and thank goodness for that. Breaking up the UK might have been good for Scotland in the long run but it would have been a disaster for the rest of the world and the UK leaving Europe will have the exact same effect.... FACT
So let's just keep the orgies rolling. Peace out government controlled minions  . |
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"I didn't once say that no voters didn't have any guts, if you read my comment it says that I had the guts, nothing was mentioned about no voters
Thereby implying that no voters were too scared. See?
I wasn't trying to imply anything that's purely a misinterpretation on your part lol but we can go around in circles all night but I'd rather not lol so apologies if you took my comment the wrong way it wasn't intended to imply that no voters had no guts lol "
Yeah ok, if you say so lol |
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"The oil & gas industry is knackered, a reported 70000 people across the uk have been made redundant due to the collapse. These are direct workers & supply chain from steel mills to local suppliers. Would independance cured the collapse? I think not & i voted yes. Every days a gamble
Why is the oil & gas industry knackered???
What was the price of oil on 1999/2000 was it higher or lower than now (I will give you a clue on where to start - $12)
Do you know how much it costs to produce one barrel of oil??
what about the new fields west of Shetland??
what about existing fields, buzzard, elgin etc ???
What about new projects ongoing???
What about oil EOR???
Oil & Gas is far from knackered, its just another slump same as we see every 8 - 10 years and you then read reports and hear broadcasts from reporters and government officials who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and while they broadcast they still show out dated pics & films of the Brents
Oil & Gas is on a low at this moment same as back in the 80's, same as 1999/2000 and like these times, it will pick up again
if not, maybe we should call Total, Shell, BP, Chevron and inform them, tell then to halt all their ongoing multi billion pound projects"
Its a slump?? Well i hope everyone thats lost there jobs knows its just a slump & make them sleep easier at night.
I know theres projects going on but it looks as though it,ll be 2017 before it recovers. |
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"Haha, yeah, thanks from saving us from certain doom .
Consider this though.....
SNP wanted independence, yay, we're rich and don't need the UK. Now, SNP want to stay in Europe and alas we're terribly poor and need the EU.
The cold hard truth.....
Your vote means nothing. The super powers in this world didn't want the UK breaking up and guess what, we "lost" the vote. The exact same thing will happen in the EU indy vote because the same powers don't want us out of Europe any more than they wanted Scotland out of the UK.
We're not really free, you think you can vote how you please but you can't and thank goodness for that. Breaking up the UK might have been good for Scotland in the long run but it would have been a disaster for the rest of the world and the UK leaving Europe will have the exact same effect.... FACT
So let's just keep the orgies rolling. Peace out government controlled minions ."
Are you sugesting that the idea of democracy is just an elaborate cover up and all votes are rigged?
Thats some conspiracy theory ... Who is righing the vote? The free masons? |
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Just caught up with all the posts in the thread and at risk of being just as offensive as some of them i actually believe some of you are delusional
The main reason the vote was no is because rangers fans associate the union jack with their team and are bigoted? Really? Rangers are a glasgow based team and this sectarianism is mostly a west of scotland mentality ... But they caused the majority of scotland to vote no? (Ps glasgow - where most rangers fans are based - was actually one of the few places to come out with a yes majority)
And we all voted no because we had no guts to stand up to the scaremongering and were too busy bending over for the english?
Much rather that than take a spanking from nicola sturgeon while she promises rainbows and unicorns |
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"Just caught up with all the posts in the thread and at risk of being just as offensive as some of them i actually believe some of you are delusional
The main reason the vote was no is because rangers fans associate the union jack with their team and are bigoted? Really? Rangers are a glasgow based team and this sectarianism is mostly a west of scotland mentality ... But they caused the majority of scotland to vote no? (Ps glasgow - where most rangers fans are based - was actually one of the few places to come out with a yes majority)
And we all voted no because we had no guts to stand up to the scaremongering and were too busy bending over for the english?
Much rather that than take a spanking from nicola sturgeon while she promises rainbows and unicorns "
If a second referendum brings a yes vote, do we all get a rainbow coloured unicorn? That *might* be worth voting for |
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Of course and what is even better ... Like everything the snp promise it will be free! Pad for by that pot of money found at the end of the rainbow where they found the unicorn to start with |
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Why don't we all just stop looking like petty little children talking about rainbows and unicorns and try and preserve some self dignity.
At the end of the day it was a no vote, no changing it, simple.
No on really knows if Scotland would've been better or worse as an independent country & I can pretty much assure most people who voted yes didn't vote yes becuase of promises made by politicians we voted yes becuase were Scottish not British and we wanted independence we didn't listen to promises about oil and whiskey.
But what we do know is Scotland has been turning into a 3rd world country slowly but surely "under British rule" it is getting worse, more and more people are using food banks & now people who need their DLA will lose £30 a week or be completely cut off this includes people who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan in the "British" army and have lost limbs or suffer from mental disabilities like PTSD, all under British rule.
The fact is in about 20years time country's like Africa will have little oxfam boxes in schools and shops giving money to help the scottish, Bob geldof will be making Christmas songs for us, children in need will be for us.
All under British rule! |
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By *MD47Man
over a year ago
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"You do know that the Tory government are a bunch of lying money orientated greedy fuckwits, if you read Tory propaganda you'll support Tory, try reading independent not ruled by the government information "
Maybe you should ask the two EX-SNP MPs who are in Westminster and had to withdraw from the SNP over fraud investigations. Maybe while your at it tell the other SNP MP who is being investigate or tell that to the 16 of the that had their parliament credit cards suspended. Try telling that to the SNP MPs who are making money on various 2nd incomes but mainly renting houses. Maybe ask how many of them have given their wage rise to charity as they promised.
So many things we can go on about. |
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By *MD47Man
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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Much rather that than take a spanking from nicola sturgeon while she promises rainbows and unicorns "
Now you and Nicola having a spanking session....can you please make sure your in the chat room on cam please... Then again I don't think your that desperate..... |
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"The oil & gas industry is knackered, a reported 70000 people across the uk have been made redundant due to the collapse. These are direct workers & supply chain from steel mills to local suppliers. Would independance cured the collapse? I think not & i voted yes. Every days a gamble
Why is the oil & gas industry knackered???
What was the price of oil on 1999/2000 was it higher or lower than now (I will give you a clue on where to start - $12)
Do you know how much it costs to produce one barrel of oil??
what about the new fields west of Shetland??
what about existing fields, buzzard, elgin etc ???
What about new projects ongoing???
What about oil EOR???
Oil & Gas is far from knackered, its just another slump same as we see every 8 - 10 years and you then read reports and hear broadcasts from reporters and government officials who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and while they broadcast they still show out dated pics & films of the Brents
Oil & Gas is on a low at this moment same as back in the 80's, same as 1999/2000 and like these times, it will pick up again
if not, maybe we should call Total, Shell, BP, Chevron and inform them, tell then to halt all their ongoing multi billion pound projects
Its a slump?? Well i hope everyone thats lost there jobs knows its just a slump & make them sleep easier at night.
I know theres projects going on but it looks as though it,ll be 2017 before it recovers. "
Welcome to Oil & Gas; it happens every 8 - 10 years, its not near as bad as in 1999 - 2000 though then the price of oil was down to $12 a barrel, such as life, we adjust and get on with it
anyone who has worked offshore for a long period of time is aware of this and have things in place to keep them afloat in bad times |
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"Why don't we all just stop looking like petty little children talking about rainbows and unicorns and try and preserve some self dignity.
At the end of the day it was a no vote, no changing it, simple.
No on really knows if Scotland would've been better or worse as an independent country & I can pretty much assure most people who voted yes didn't vote yes becuase of promises made by politicians we voted yes becuase were Scottish not British and we wanted independence we didn't listen to promises about oil and whiskey.
But what we do know is Scotland has been turning into a 3rd world country slowly but surely "under British rule" it is getting worse, more and more people are using food banks & now people who need their DLA will lose £30 a week or be completely cut off this includes people who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan in the "British" army and have lost limbs or suffer from mental disabilities like PTSD, all under British rule.
The fact is in about 20years time country's like Africa will have little oxfam boxes in schools and shops giving money to help the scottish, Bob geldof will be making Christmas songs for us, children in need will be for us.
All under British rule! "
Of course they will |
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An agreement on oil reserves being reduced has already seen price of a barrel jump so the doom and gloom might not be so bad as certain politicians would like and as the son of an oil worker who was on the first rig in the North Sea the present state of affairs happened once a decade on average and you never heard panic in Westminster but now apparently it is a huge thing |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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Ok this is a genuine question probably more for no voters as am interested to know this since the EU referendum is happening this summer.
The Better Together camp said vote no to make sure we stay in the EU if you vote yes they you could end up coming out of the EU.
Now say Scotland does infact vote to stay and the rest of the UK want to leave how would no voters feel as Better Together said nothing about a EU referednum before the Scottish Referendum took place.
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"Ok this is a genuine question probably more for no voters as am interested to know this since the EU referendum is happening this summer.
The Better Together camp said vote no to make sure we stay in the EU if you vote yes they you could end up coming out of the EU.
Now say Scotland does infact vote to stay and the rest of the UK want to leave how would no voters feel as Better Together said nothing about a EU referednum before the Scottish Referendum took place.
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Can't speak for anyone else, but the EU was not a part of my decision. It was whether or not we could financially support ourselves and maintain quality services, which in my opinion we cannot.
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The EU did play a small part of my voting in the Ref.
If we had voted yes then we would have to applied to the EU for membership. I do believe that that it would have been fastracted but at what cost ??
Scotland would have taken on the Euro !
As we would have had a large deficit then like Greece we would have much worse austerity imposed on us to comply With EU rules.
I still have not decided which way I will vote in the EU ref. |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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"Ok this is a genuine question probably more for no voters as am interested to know this since the EU referendum is happening this summer.
The Better Together camp said vote no to make sure we stay in the EU if you vote yes they you could end up coming out of the EU.
Now say Scotland does infact vote to stay and the rest of the UK want to leave how would no voters feel as Better Together said nothing about a EU referednum before the Scottish Referendum took place.
Can't speak for anyone else, but the EU was not a part of my decision. It was whether or not we could financially support ourselves and maintain quality services, which in my opinion we cannot.
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I get that as i know no voters had other reasons for their vote and i respect that
But it doesnt stop people having an opinion on it as the Better Together camp did say vote no to make sure we stay in the EU some people may have voted for that reason so if Scotland choose to vote to stay and the rest of the UK vote to leave would it be fair for the Scottish people who want to stay and voted in the Scottish referendum because they were told vote no and you will be able to stay in the Eu vote yes and you will have to leave the EU.
If it does happen that Scotland votes to stay and the Rest of the UK vote to leave my opinion is that is a clear breach of what was said in Scottish referendum and a lie to the Scottish people. |
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"Ok this is a genuine question probably more for no voters as am interested to know this since the EU referendum is happening this summer.
The Better Together camp said vote no to make sure we stay in the EU if you vote yes they you could end up coming out of the EU.
Now say Scotland does infact vote to stay and the rest of the UK want to leave how would no voters feel as Better Together said nothing about a EU referednum before the Scottish Referendum took place.
Can't speak for anyone else, but the EU was not a part of my decision. It was whether or not we could financially support ourselves and maintain quality services, which in my opinion we cannot.
I get that as i know no voters had other reasons for their vote and i respect that
But it doesnt stop people having an opinion on it as the Better Together camp did say vote no to make sure we stay in the EU some people may have voted for that reason so if Scotland choose to vote to stay and the rest of the UK vote to leave would it be fair for the Scottish people who want to stay and voted in the Scottish referendum because they were told vote no and you will be able to stay in the Eu vote yes and you will have to leave the EU.
If it does happen that Scotland votes to stay and the Rest of the UK vote to leave my opinion is that is a clear breach of what was said in Scottish referendum and a lie to the Scottish people. "
I doubt the EU was people's sole reason for voting, so I'm not really sure what they would think tbh.
Guess we'll just need to wait and see what happens |
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over a year ago
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I see claims that oil is just in a slump at the moment and will recover but the facts tell a different story. Oil production has dropped every single year for the past 15 years. That isn't a slump, it's the reality of using a finite resource that is becoming more difficult to recover. When the oil price recovers there will still be a massive deficit between our income and expenditure. |
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LandA whats your experience in the oil industry just out of curiosity?
I suspect you will be similar to me with 30 years knowledge to quote such,
you do realise the amount of projects actually being tied in and coming online at this moment in time
can you name 5 of them  |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
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"LandA whats your experience in the oil industry just out of curiosity?
I suspect you will be similar to me with 30 years knowledge to quote such,
you do realise the amount of projects actually being tied in and coming online at this moment in time
can you name 5 of them "
Not going to bore everyone with an argument about who knows the most etc (or point out the number of fields coming to the end of their life) so I'll go back to the point I posted. Production has been dropping for the past 15 years, other than a small increase last year. The days of 2.4m barrels per day are long gone and aren't returning. You won't find anyone out there credible claiming they will |
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Right now; 2016 there is 30 to 50 years recovery still left in North Sea and West of Shetland
We wont mention anything about the reserves found and capped on the West Coast because; oh yes, we cant recover them due to Trident |
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"Right now; 2016 there is 30 to 50 years recovery still left in North Sea and West of Shetland
We wont mention anything about the reserves found and capped on the West Coast because; oh yes, we cant recover them due to Trident "
lost for words?? |
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"Right now; 2016 there is 30 to 50 years recovery still left in North Sea and West of Shetland
We wont mention anything about the reserves found and capped on the West Coast because; oh yes, we cant recover them due to Trident
lost for words??"
then that's the final say on the matter |
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"Right now; 2016 there is 30 to 50 years recovery still left in North Sea and West of Shetland
We wont mention anything about the reserves found and capped on the West Coast because; oh yes, we cant recover them due to Trident
lost for words??
then that's the final say on the matter"
Last chance anyone |
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No statistics to sway the argument either way.
Just. If I argue that my partner has no feasable assets, cannot support herself, is a drain on my resources and will never improve her situation. WHY? Would I put so much into an argument to keep her???????
Just an obsevation. |
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"No statistics to sway the argument either way.
Just. If I argue that my partner has no feasable assets, cannot support herself, is a drain on my resources and will never improve her situation. WHY? Would I put so much into an argument to keep her???????
Just an obsevation. "
Maybe cos she's a bloody good ride |
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"Right now; 2016 there is 30 to 50 years recovery still left in North Sea and West of Shetland
We wont mention anything about the reserves found and capped on the West Coast because; oh yes, we cant recover them due to Trident
lost for words??
then that's the final say on the matter
Last chance anyone"
You realise your in a forum and not a chat room? Just because you never got an instant response does not mean people have taken your comment as 'final say on the matter' |
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over a year ago
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"Right now; 2016 there is 30 to 50 years recovery still left in North Sea and West of Shetland
We wont mention anything about the reserves found and capped on the West Coast because; oh yes, we cant recover them due to Trident
lost for words??"
Well for a start I'm not permanently on the site. In fact I'm hardly ever on here at all, it's usually my other half.
So I'll just add, to the fact that production has been decreasing for years now, that any new fields will be lucky to cover the production lost by the number of fields that are winding down. We will never come close to the production levels of 2000 and no one is daft enough to make such claims.
I'll file the fields in the West Coast of Scotland that we can't use because of trident under conspiracy theory. |
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By *wiftiee OP Man
over a year ago
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"Right now; 2016 there is 30 to 50 years recovery still left in North Sea and West of Shetland
We wont mention anything about the reserves found and capped on the West Coast because; oh yes, we cant recover them due to Trident
lost for words??
then that's the final say on the matter
Last chance anyone
You realise your in a forum and not a chat room? Just because you never got an instant response does not mean people have taken your comment as 'final say on the matter' "
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"Right now; 2016 there is 30 to 50 years recovery still left in North Sea and West of Shetland
We wont mention anything about the reserves found and capped on the West Coast because; oh yes, we cant recover them due to Trident
lost for words??
Well for a start I'm not permanently on the site. In fact I'm hardly ever on here at all, it's usually my other half.
So I'll just add, to the fact that production has been decreasing for years now, that any new fields will be lucky to cover the production lost by the number of fields that are winding down. We will never come close to the production levels of 2000 and no one is daft enough to make such claims.
I'll file the fields in the West Coast of Scotland that we can't use because of trident under conspiracy theory."
Again 30 - 50 years life still in North Sea and West of Shetland
No conspiracy theory with West Coast it was actually BP that drilled and capped the wells, two other well known companies drilled at same time as BP
But as we know; we must find and pay £143 billion for trident and keep the wells capped with no further exploration.
You are aware I expect that in the year 2000, many platforms fully cut back to minimum flow due to the cost of oil being $12, the reason the did not shut down in full is to prevent cooling in the lines causing slugs & condensates as well as all the other problems that occur with full shutdown
what platforms in 2000 produced more oil than the buzzard is producing now?
I was on the Piper when it peaked 100,000 barrels per day, the platform was so unstable at that point they severely cut back
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