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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago
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""if your not careful,the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed,and loving the people who are doing the oppressing" -malcolm x"
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"“Often times I have hated in self-defense; if I were stronger I would not have used such a weapon.”.
Kahlil Gibran"
profound! I love it! Thanks for sharing! im opposed to hate because I have alot of experience and understanding of it's insidious and infectious nature and the potential it has to poison the hearts,minds and lives of everyone around us....we shouldn't fight hatred with hatred,violence with violence,ignorance with ignorance because we will inadvertently become a part of the problem and not the solution,history has taught us that the old ways haven't worked so it's time to try something different ...lets stand united and fight for a world of peace and love and fabswingers socials and orgies! Who's with me? xx |
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"I'm sure I seen that quote in Starbucks just after I had a McDonald's this morning
John  "
you should be boycotting starfucks and smackDonalds and any other multinational corporations that don't pay taxes and invests profits into war and weapons and killing people through bad nutrition and toxic and substandard chemically enhanced process food products |
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"“Often times I have hated in self-defense; if I were stronger I would not have used such a weapon.”.
Kahlil Gibranprofound! I love it! Thanks for sharing! im opposed to hate because I have alot of experience and understanding of it's insidious and infectious nature and the potential it has to poison the hearts,minds and lives of everyone around us....we shouldn't fight hatred with hatred,violence with violence,ignorance with ignorance because we will inadvertently become a part of the problem and not the solution,history has taught us that the old ways haven't worked so it's time to try something different ...lets stand united and fight for a world of peace and love and fabswingers socials and orgies! Who's with me? xx"
What would you do if someone punched you hard in the face and when you got up they said it was wrong to fight violence with violence and you shouldn't retaliate? Then they punched you in the face again and said you still shouldn't retaliate? Repeat as necessary...
I'm all for world peace and love however until everyone in the world shares the same _iew (and they never will) nothing will change. How do you fight for a world of peace and love without eradicating those disruptive elements?
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There will never be world peace if the means used to obtain it are that of foce,murder....you can't put out a fire by throwing petrol on it and self defense is different from attacking people out of a misguided sense of fear/revenge and the reason that these terrorists use to justify what they're doing is that the western world has killed millions of their women and children in the name of power,politics,profit so the situation will only get alot worse if we adopt the same thoughts and actions..the bible does state that should someone strike your cheek that you should turn the other cheek and also that thou should not kill and only god should judge men not men;-)
"“Often times I have hated in self-defense; if I were stronger I would not have used such a weapon.”.
Kahlil Gibranprofound! I love it! Thanks for sharing! im opposed to hate because I have alot of experience and understanding of it's insidious and infectious nature and the potential it has to poison the hearts,minds and lives of everyone around us....we shouldn't fight hatred with hatred,violence with violence,ignorance with ignorance because we will inadvertently become a part of the problem and not the solution,history has taught us that the old ways haven't worked so it's time to try something different ...lets stand united and fight for a world of peace and love and fabswingers socials and orgies! Who's with me? xx
What would you do if someone punched you hard in the face and when you got up they said it was wrong to fight violence with violence and you shouldn't retaliate? Then they punched you in the face again and said you still shouldn't retaliate? Repeat as necessary...
I'm all for world peace and love however until everyone in the world shares the same _iew (and they never will) nothing will change. How do you fight for a world of peace and love without eradicating those disruptive elements?
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Its impossible to erradicate we enjoy the liveswe have it has to be protectedit is a real shame but its closing into the tilt point france is already stepping up its bombing campaign and to my mind it needs the free world to unite and stamp this beast out hard then we can look to peace and world harmony |
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"There will never be world peace if the means used to obtain it are that of foce,murder....you can't put out a fire by throwing petrol on it and self defense is different from attacking people out of a misguided sense of fear/revenge and the reason that these terrorists use to justify what they're doing is that the western world has killed millions of their women and children in the name of power,politics,profit so the situation will only get alot worse if we adopt the same thoughts and actions..the bible does state that should someone strike your cheek that you should turn the other cheek and also that thou should not kill and only god should judge men not men;-)“Often times I have hated in self-defense; if I were stronger I would not have used such a weapon.”.
Kahlil Gibranprofound! I love it! Thanks for sharing! im opposed to hate because I have alot of experience and understanding of it's insidious and infectious nature and the potential it has to poison the hearts,minds and lives of everyone around us....we shouldn't fight hatred with hatred,violence with violence,ignorance with ignorance because we will inadvertently become a part of the problem and not the solution,history has taught us that the old ways haven't worked so it's time to try something different ...lets stand united and fight for a world of peace and love and fabswingers socials and orgies! Who's with me? xx
What would you do if someone punched you hard in the face and when you got up they said it was wrong to fight violence with violence and you shouldn't retaliate? Then they punched you in the face again and said you still shouldn't retaliate? Repeat as necessary...
I'm all for world peace and love however until everyone in the world shares the same _iew (and they never will) nothing will change. How do you fight for a world of peace and love without eradicating those disruptive elements?
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You quote biblical stuff my friend.
These animals do not sit within any biblical writings or adhere to even their own biblical laws.
They are animals that bite and in our society animals that bite should be put down without remorse.
Before you say it my friend i most definitely can see the big picture as like a few on here i live in that world on a daily basis.
Peace and understanding is not required here, we tried that in 1939 and we all know what transpired there. |
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By *all saulMan
over a year ago
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Not getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this |
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"Not getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this"
To fight evil mate requires an appropriate reaction, these animals need to be taken down and taken out, eventually we will reach the source and stop that threat, history has proved this |
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By *all saulMan
over a year ago
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"Not getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this
To fight evil mate requires an appropriate reaction, these animals need to be taken down and taken out, eventually we will reach the source and stop that threat, history has proved this "
Has it really when have the west or indeed the east ever fully defeated a gorilla war the might of the USA found it hard fighting in the jungle not knowing friend from foe. The huge USSR war machine struggled against the Afghans. Both the gulf wars did we crush the enemy or just run them underground or worse create an army of matters hiding in amongst civilians waiting to start a new kind of war?
Just playing devils advocate here but until the west started telling the east what to do the west was not a target |
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"Not getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this"
young children in the western world are also trained to commit acts of atrocity which is their justification for doing what they do
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By *all saulMan
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"Not getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat thisyoung children in the western world are also trained to commit acts of atrocity which is their justification for doing what they do"
Am not saying otherwise point am making is how do you tell friend from foe nowadays |
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The more that we bomb them indiscriminately the more that we will feed their cause to "react" to our actions and your right that it will never end till not only they are completely wiped out but also when we are completely wiped out because thats the way things are heading at this rate with the tit for tat retaliations back and forth ...we have no right to call ourselves civilized if we think that killing countless innocent women and children is justifiable.....we will reap what we sow so to say...we must start as we mean to go on, a society built on a foundation of fear and hatred and legalized murder and violence shall also fall by the very same negative factors that built it, and that is what history has taught us.....Hitler was a terrorist who saught to wipe out this country yet many celebrate and honor him by attempting to perpetuate the very self same cycle of genocide against our fellow men....by all means those responsible for the destruction of society should be sought and brought to justice but to villify a people based apon their religion or color of skin is really not what I would call justice
"Not getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this
To fight evil mate requires an appropriate reaction, these animals need to be taken down and taken out, eventually we will reach the source and stop that threat, history has proved this "
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"Not getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat thisyoung children in the western world are also trained to commit acts of atrocity which is their justification for doing what they do
Am not saying otherwise point am making is how do you tell friend from foe nowadays"
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The same way we always did....what your saying is that we should now be wary ox anyone who looks like a "Muslim"...this is an excuse to justify racism....racism is a weapon of mass destruction that impacts us all irregardless of the color of our skin or our religion
"Not getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat thisyoung children in the western world are also trained to commit acts of atrocity which is their justification for doing what they do
Am not saying otherwise point am making is how do you tell friend from foe nowadays"
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"The more that we bomb them indiscriminately the more that we will feed their cause to "react" to our actions and your right that it will never end till not only they are completely wiped out but also when we are completely wiped out because thats the way things are heading at this rate with the tit for tat retaliations back and forth ...we have no right to call ourselves civilized if we think that killing countless innocent women and children is justifiable.....we will reap what we sow so to say...we must start as we mean to go on, a society built on a foundation of fear and hatred and legalized murder and violence shall also fall by the very same negative factors that built it, and that is what history has taught us.....Hitler was a terrorist who saught to wipe out this country yet many celebrate and honor him by attempting to perpetuate the very self same cycle of genocide against our fellow men....by all means those responsible for the destruction of society should be sought and brought to justice but to villify a people based apon their religion or color of skin is really not what I would call justiceNot getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this
To fight evil mate requires an appropriate reaction, these animals need to be taken down and taken out, eventually we will reach the source and stop that threat, history has proved this "
Do not you ever dare call me a racist.
I fight for the right of the people of the United Kingdom be they of any creed or colour, i fight for YOUR country so never ever doubt ideals, you talk about tit for tat retaliation????
Yes i would and i will do that, defend your country and the divercive culture within it  |
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You hit the nail on the head....we here in the UK say that we don't want our sacred way of life to change,we don't want no Sharon law coz we got enough laws as it is and we don't want to halal bacon sandwiches from greggs so by the same token these muslamics don't want us going over to their country and trying to force McDonald's and pop music onto them....what's good for the goose is good for the gander...the more that we poke a stick at the hornets nest the more likely we're gonna get stung...if we feel so strongly about killing women and children and people who had nothing to do with the atrocious attack directly in a country aside from our own then how are people in the countries we're bombing going to feel about us? Just saying
"Not getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this
To fight evil mate requires an appropriate reaction, these animals need to be taken down and taken out, eventually we will reach the source and stop that threat, history has proved this
Has it really when have the west or indeed the east ever fully defeated a gorilla war the might of the USA found it hard fighting in the jungle not knowing friend from foe. The huge USSR war machine struggled against the Afghans. Both the gulf wars did we crush the enemy or just run them underground or worse create an army of matters hiding in amongst civilians waiting to start a new kind of war?
Just playing devils advocate here but until the west started telling the east what to do the west was not a target"
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I'm a child of this world,all borders and differences between us humans are perceived and this is what really instigates antagonism between mankind...im not into killing off all the people in all the other countries just in case they threaten to come here and change fish and chips from being the number 1 nationally celebrated dish...variety is the spice of life....I wasn't aware that I had called you a racist but by definition it's someone who justifies undermining and oppressing those of rival ethnic groups
"The more that we bomb them indiscriminately the more that we will feed their cause to "react" to our actions and your right that it will never end till not only they are completely wiped out but also when we are completely wiped out because thats the way things are heading at this rate with the tit for tat retaliations back and forth ...we have no right to call ourselves civilized if we think that killing countless innocent women and children is justifiable.....we will reap what we sow so to say...we must start as we mean to go on, a society built on a foundation of fear and hatred and legalized murder and violence shall also fall by the very same negative factors that built it, and that is what history has taught us.....Hitler was a terrorist who saught to wipe out this country yet many celebrate and honor him by attempting to perpetuate the very self same cycle of genocide against our fellow men....by all means those responsible for the destruction of society should be sought and brought to justice but to villify a people based apon their religion or color of skin is really not what I would call justiceNot getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this
To fight evil mate requires an appropriate reaction, these animals need to be taken down and taken out, eventually we will reach the source and stop that threat, history has proved this
Do not you ever dare call me a racist.
I fight for the right of the people of the United Kingdom be they of any creed or colour, i fight for YOUR country so never ever doubt ideals, you talk about tit for tat retaliation????
Yes i would and i will do that, defend your country and the divercive culture within it "
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"You hit the nail on the head....we here in the UK say that we don't want our sacred way of life to change,we don't want no Sharon law coz we got enough laws as it is and we don't want to halal bacon sandwiches from greggs so by the same token these muslamics don't want us going over to their country and trying to force McDonald's and pop music onto them....what's good for the goose is good for the gander...the more that we poke a stick at the hornets nest the more likely we're gonna get stung...if we feel so strongly about killing women and children and people who had nothing to do with the atrocious attack directly in a country aside from our own then how are people in the countries we're bombing going to feel about us? Just sayingNot getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this
To fight evil mate requires an appropriate reaction, these animals need to be taken down and taken out, eventually we will reach the source and stop that threat, history has proved this
Has it really when have the west or indeed the east ever fully defeated a gorilla war the might of the USA found it hard fighting in the jungle not knowing friend from foe. The huge USSR war machine struggled against the Afghans. Both the gulf wars did we crush the enemy or just run them underground or worse create an army of matters hiding in amongst civilians waiting to start a new kind of war?
Just playing devils advocate here but until the west started telling the east what to do the west was not a target"
Poke a stick at the hornets nest????
So you suggest we just brush them under the carpet and forget about them????
Nope unleash what we are and have and hunt them down and remove them |
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WAR stands for "We Are Right" ...to play this age old rated 18 game of death and destruction you don't even have to be 18 coz both sides like to start them young...instill the belief of "them/us" feed the fear and mistrust of "them" and anyone who doesn't agree with our _iews...then ensure that both sides feel the same way then and only then are you ready to play a game that's been going on ever since Adam cheated on eve with Steve and eve got her big crazy Dave to stone steve to death for sodomy and Steve's ex a rather big fella named goliath showed up on the scene to exact revenge and crazy Dave also known by his Sunday name of "David" put a stone between the eye of goliath and it all kicked off and they say that MTV and video games made the children of today crazy and violent |
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"WAR stands for "We Are Right" ...to play this age old rated 18 game of death and destruction you don't even have to be 18 coz both sides like to start them young...instill the belief of "them/us" feed the fear and mistrust of "them" and anyone who doesn't agree with our _iews...then ensure that both sides feel the same way then and only then are you ready to play a game that's been going on ever since Adam cheated on eve with Steve and eve got her big crazy Dave to stone steve to death for sodomy and Steve's ex a rather big fella named goliath showed up on the scene to exact revenge and crazy Dave also known by his Sunday name of "David" put a stone between the eye of goliath and it all kicked off and they say that MTV and video games made the children of today crazy and violent"
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What I suggest is that we stop funding and training small terrorist organizations and empowering them to commit unspeakable acts so that we could then justify us commiting worse act's ...if we're agreed that we don't want to have to live in fear of getting blown up on our streets on the way to getting the dinner then it's fair to say that we shouldn't be blowing people up on their way to the market for a kebab and no matter what anyone says I will never ever ever support the killing of women and children no matter what because I certainly wouldn't want to live in a world where people thought that was acceptable...women and children are sacred and crucial to our future....should we lose sight of that then we are all doomed!
"You hit the nail on the head....we here in the UK say that we don't want our sacred way of life to change,we don't want no Sharon law coz we got enough laws as it is and we don't want to halal bacon sandwiches from greggs so by the same token these muslamics don't want us going over to their country and trying to force McDonald's and pop music onto them....what's good for the goose is good for the gander...the more that we poke a stick at the hornets nest the more likely we're gonna get stung...if we feel so strongly about killing women and children and people who had nothing to do with the atrocious attack directly in a country aside from our own then how are people in the countries we're bombing going to feel about us? Just sayingNot getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this
To fight evil mate requires an appropriate reaction, these animals need to be taken down and taken out, eventually we will reach the source and stop that threat, history has proved this
Has it really when have the west or indeed the east ever fully defeated a gorilla war the might of the USA found it hard fighting in the jungle not knowing friend from foe. The huge USSR war machine struggled against the Afghans. Both the gulf wars did we crush the enemy or just run them underground or worse create an army of matters hiding in amongst civilians waiting to start a new kind of war?
Just playing devils advocate here but until the west started telling the east what to do the west was not a target
Poke a stick at the hornets nest????
So you suggest we just brush them under the carpet and forget about them????
Nope unleash what we are and have and hunt them down and remove them"
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"What I suggest is that we stop funding and training small terrorist organizations and empowering them to commit unspeakable acts so that we could then justify us commiting worse act's ...if we're agreed that we don't want to have to live in fear of getting blown up on our streets on the way to getting the dinner then it's fair to say that we shouldn't be blowing people up on their way to the market for a kebab and no matter what anyone says I will never ever ever support the killing of women and children no matter what because I certainly wouldn't want to live in a world where people thought that was acceptable...women and children are sacred and crucial to our future....should we lose sight of that then we are all doomed!You hit the nail on the head....we here in the UK say that we don't want our sacred way of life to change,we don't want no Sharon law coz we got enough laws as it is and we don't want to halal bacon sandwiches from greggs so by the same token these muslamics don't want us going over to their country and trying to force McDonald's and pop music onto them....what's good for the goose is good for the gander...the more that we poke a stick at the hornets nest the more likely we're gonna get stung...if we feel so strongly about killing women and children and people who had nothing to do with the atrocious attack directly in a country aside from our own then how are people in the countries we're bombing going to feel about us? Just sayingNot getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this
To fight evil mate requires an appropriate reaction, these animals need to be taken down and taken out, eventually we will reach the source and stop that threat, history has proved this
Has it really when have the west or indeed the east ever fully defeated a gorilla war the might of the USA found it hard fighting in the jungle not knowing friend from foe. The huge USSR war machine struggled against the Afghans. Both the gulf wars did we crush the enemy or just run them underground or worse create an army of matters hiding in amongst civilians waiting to start a new kind of war?
Just playing devils advocate here but until the west started telling the east what to do the west was not a target
Poke a stick at the hornets nest????
So you suggest we just brush them under the carpet and forget about them????
Nope unleash what we are and have and hunt them down and remove them"
You just sound like a keyboard warrior that has never fought????
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"“Often times I have hated in self-defense; if I were stronger I would not have used such a weapon.”.
Kahlil Gibranprofound! I love it! Thanks for sharing! im opposed to hate because I have alot of experience and understanding of it's insidious and infectious nature and the potential it has to poison the hearts,minds and lives of everyone around us....we shouldn't fight hatred with hatred,violence with violence,ignorance with ignorance because we will inadvertently become a part of the problem and not the solution,history has taught us that the old ways haven't worked so it's time to try something different ...lets stand united and fight for a world of peace and love and fabswingers socials and orgies! Who's with me? xx"
In no way do I doubt the sincerity, or well meaning of the post above ( or the other posts on this thread). But , we cannot blame the west, capitalism or other factors on these atrocities .We have been on a collision course for many years, and now find ourselves in an escalating conflict my friends. Military force will unfortunately determine the outcome. Eschewing force ( or violence as some might say) is a well meaning but naieve course . It will be interesting to see how the Guardian covers this.... But ultimately you need force and armed forces. To quote the well know pacifist and author George Orwell
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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Lol or perhaps I sound like someone who doesn't want to have to fight for politics,power,profit what does it profit a man to gain the world and forfeit his soul?
"What I suggest is that we stop funding and training small terrorist organizations and empowering them to commit unspeakable acts so that we could then justify us commiting worse act's ...if we're agreed that we don't want to have to live in fear of getting blown up on our streets on the way to getting the dinner then it's fair to say that we shouldn't be blowing people up on their way to the market for a kebab and no matter what anyone says I will never ever ever support the killing of women and children no matter what because I certainly wouldn't want to live in a world where people thought that was acceptable...women and children are sacred and crucial to our future....should we lose sight of that then we are all doomed!You hit the nail on the head....we here in the UK say that we don't want our sacred way of life to change,we don't want no Sharon law coz we got enough laws as it is and we don't want to halal bacon sandwiches from greggs so by the same token these muslamics don't want us going over to their country and trying to force McDonald's and pop music onto them....what's good for the goose is good for the gander...the more that we poke a stick at the hornets nest the more likely we're gonna get stung...if we feel so strongly about killing women and children and people who had nothing to do with the atrocious attack directly in a country aside from our own then how are people in the countries we're bombing going to feel about us? Just sayingNot getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this
To fight evil mate requires an appropriate reaction, these animals need to be taken down and taken out, eventually we will reach the source and stop that threat, history has proved this
Has it really when have the west or indeed the east ever fully defeated a gorilla war the might of the USA found it hard fighting in the jungle not knowing friend from foe. The huge USSR war machine struggled against the Afghans. Both the gulf wars did we crush the enemy or just run them underground or worse create an army of matters hiding in amongst civilians waiting to start a new kind of war?
Just playing devils advocate here but until the west started telling the east what to do the west was not a target
Poke a stick at the hornets nest????
So you suggest we just brush them under the carpet and forget about them????
Nope unleash what we are and have and hunt them down and remove them
You just sound like a keyboard warrior that has never fought????
Nice skills on the keyboard"
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I don't disagree in the slightest to what your saying...there are wolves and there are sheep and this is the natural order of things ...one cannot exist without the other but I understand that wars will be fought to indulge the egos of men whether we like it or not,we say we're fighting for our freedom but how can that really be so when we're losing our freedom as a result of the perpetual conflict....the western world isn't singlehandedly responsible for what's wrong with the world today and they certainly aren't innocent of any blame either....it takes two to tango...the bottom line I that the government are going to do whatever they're going to do anyways "in the interest of our safety" ...what I have an issue with is your average Joe blogg thinking it's ok to attack the Romanian guy down the street coz he's mistaken the fact that he has a darker complexion to mean that he's a terrorist or something
"“Often times I have hated in self-defense; if I were stronger I would not have used such a weapon.”.
Kahlil Gibranprofound! I love it! Thanks for sharing! im opposed to hate because I have alot of experience and understanding of it's insidious and infectious nature and the potential it has to poison the hearts,minds and lives of everyone around us....we shouldn't fight hatred with hatred,violence with violence,ignorance with ignorance because we will inadvertently become a part of the problem and not the solution,history has taught us that the old ways haven't worked so it's time to try something different ...lets stand united and fight for a world of peace and love and fabswingers socials and orgies! Who's with me? xx
In no way do I doubt the sincerity, or well meaning of the post above ( or the other posts on this thread). But , we cannot blame the west, capitalism or other factors on these atrocities .We have been on a collision course for many years, and now find ourselves in an escalating conflict my friends. Military force will unfortunately determine the outcome. Eschewing force ( or violence as some might say) is a well meaning but naieve course . It will be interesting to see how the Guardian covers this.... But ultimately you need force and armed forces. To quote the well know pacifist and author George Orwell
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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1984! Nuff said many won't get it but im sure you will
"“Often times I have hated in self-defense; if I were stronger I would not have used such a weapon.”.
Kahlil Gibranprofound! I love it! Thanks for sharing! im opposed to hate because I have alot of experience and understanding of it's insidious and infectious nature and the potential it has to poison the hearts,minds and lives of everyone around us....we shouldn't fight hatred with hatred,violence with violence,ignorance with ignorance because we will inadvertently become a part of the problem and not the solution,history has taught us that the old ways haven't worked so it's time to try something different ...lets stand united and fight for a world of peace and love and fabswingers socials and orgies! Who's with me? xx
In no way do I doubt the sincerity, or well meaning of the post above ( or the other posts on this thread). But , we cannot blame the west, capitalism or other factors on these atrocities .We have been on a collision course for many years, and now find ourselves in an escalating conflict my friends. Military force will unfortunately determine the outcome. Eschewing force ( or violence as some might say) is a well meaning but naieve course . It will be interesting to see how the Guardian covers this.... But ultimately you need force and armed forces. To quote the well know pacifist and author George Orwell
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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""Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace."-Dalai Lama
Is thee more apt summation of recent events"
hear hear...get this fella a pint and a massage with a happy ending...he's earned it |
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""Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace."-Dalai Lama
Is thee more apt summation of recent eventshear hear...get this fella a pint and a massage with a happy ending...he's earned it"
Fight aggression with aggression then we will win |
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""Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace."-Dalai Lama
Is thee more apt summation of recent eventshear hear...get this fella a pint and a massage with a happy ending...he's earned it
Fight aggression with aggression then we will win"
not when you aim to drop bombs on innocent civilians hoping to catch a terrorist or two.. Do you mean to kill every single person who you suspect might have anything to do with it all? Including a third of the worlds population who happen to be Muslim or anyone like myself who doesn't support the killing of women and children and innocent civilians in their hundreds of thousands |
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I have no idea where folk are getting that woman and children are targeted it simply isnt the case. All measures are taken by our forces to minimise collateral damage.whereas these scum target non combatants that is the reason they must be taken out.although we the west should keep our beaks out of others affairs. Like our prime minister trying to get a stay of execution that was that countrys law and the perpetrator knew the law before he broke it |
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I don't have a quote. I only have my own words.
All these years of evolutions and advances yet we still feel the need to kill other human beings mindlessly.
I'm not political at all. I'm just an ordinary woman leading an ordinary life. I just wish I knew why the world has become such a horrific place. Is it that the west now try to get involved in things (perhaps with good intentions) however they are not actually wanted?
The world is so cruel and full of hate. It's not helping anything. I just wish that in the generations to come war stops being seen as some sort of answer.  |
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Collateral damage is a massive part of the war machine,since 9/11 1.2million plus people have been killed by allied forces in the name of the war on terror and a small percentage of them have been actual terrorists....don't take my word on it feel free to find out for yourself,there are countless vids on YouTube of American/British soldier's shooting/blowing up people indiscriminately and many soldiers have left the army as a result of such things and it's been confirmed by many more that they were instructed to kill women and children,I know of at least a dozen soldiers who have confirmed this to be a fact,you know what they say...all's fair in love and war and it's a dirty game of life and death...not in my name is all im saying
"I have no idea where folk are getting that woman and children are targeted it simply isnt the case. All measures are taken by our forces to minimise collateral damage.whereas these scum target non combatants that is the reason they must be taken out.although we the west should keep our beaks out of others affairs. Like our prime minister trying to get a stay of execution that was that countrys law and the perpetrator knew the law before he broke it "
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Thanks for your heartfelt contribution,but be careful your not labeled as a terrorist supporter just because you won't support the grinding war machine of death and destruction...I'm now receiving corresponence to that effect lol
"I don't have a quote. I only have my own words.
All these years of evolutions and advances yet we still feel the need to kill other human beings mindlessly.
I'm not political at all. I'm just an ordinary woman leading an ordinary life. I just wish I knew why the world has become such a horrific place. Is it that the west now try to get involved in things (perhaps with good intentions) however they are not actually wanted?
The world is so cruel and full of hate. It's not helping anything. I just wish that in the generations to come war stops being seen as some sort of answer. "
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Absolute nonsense youtube has the facts lol served a fair portion of my life in our military and can say hand on heart me or my comrades were never asked or allowed to go mad with a gun or bomb if we felt like it. Never ordered to kill innocents either.infact I were a scar standing up for a woman who was being persecuted for her religion.and it is in your name its being fought like it or lump it az you sit posting away on the forums going about your day to day life behind the scenes this is being protected for you. With conflict there will always be casualtys its the effort that goes in to minimise it the justifys it |
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"As for people leaving the forces if you lived in their shoes you would get why they are leaving its many things but not what you seem to think"
what makes you assume that I haven't lived in their shoes? What would you have done and what would you think now if you did have the experience of being instructed to kill non combatants or you had witnessed it? I know there are many other issues that inspire people to leave the force's but I also know of a fair few people,family and friend's who have experienced what im discussing and have left on those grounds,I've also had close friends kill themselves as a direct consequence of their experience in the army, one friend came and stayed with me for a few days and we spoke at length about it all and he subsequently departed from my place a few nights later and I heard nothing more from him till several months later I found out that he had left my place and went to the woods round the corner from me and killed himself :-S
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"As for people leaving the forces if you lived in their shoes you would get why they are leaving its many things but not what you seem to think"
we won't all be "sitting about posting on the forums and going about our day to day life" if "they" bring the war to us and that's what concerns me more than ignorance |
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"As for people leaving the forces if you lived in their shoes you would get why they are leaving its many things but not what you seem to thinkwhat makes you assume that I haven't lived in their shoes? What would you have done and what would you think now if you did have the experience of being instructed to kill non combatants or you had witnessed it? I know there are many other issues that inspire people to leave the force's but I also know of a fair few people,family and friend's who have experienced what im discussing and have left on those grounds,I've also had close friends kill themselves as a direct consequence of their experience in the army, one friend came and stayed with me for a few days and we spoke at length about it all and he subsequently departed from my place a few nights later and I heard nothing more from him till several months later I found out that he had left my place and went to the woods round the corner from me and killed himself :-S"
report it to a superior as what you describe is an unlawful act. Alot leave the forces with ptsd the things they see are horific and leave mental scarring some will succumb to this and take their own lives im sure most here can relate to this sons daughters friends family. It dosnt change the fact that things need done
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"Not getting dragged into this but at what point do you draw the line young children are trained to perform horrendous acts in name of religion when can you tell an innocent child from that of a trained killer it's not like you are fighting an army of soldiers it's a nearly impossible battle to win without taking many innocent civilians down with the terrorist elements I honestly don't know how to combat this
To fight evil mate requires an appropriate reaction, these animals need to be taken down and taken out, eventually we will reach the source and stop that threat, history has proved this
Has it really when have the west or indeed the east ever fully defeated a gorilla war the might of the USA found it hard fighting in the jungle not knowing friend from foe. The huge USSR war machine struggled against the Afghans. Both the gulf wars did we crush the enemy or just run them underground or worse create an army of matters hiding in amongst civilians waiting to start a new kind of war?
Just playing devils advocate here but until the west started telling the east what to do the west was not a target"
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All religion is an absolute farce, it is a second rate excuse for idiots the world over to fight with others as their opinions n outlooks differ from each other.
Just last week I was working in the street near a mosque n we were told, not asked i may add,to turn of our radio as the found "our" music offensive... RADIO 2!!
If westerners go to their countries we have to abide by their laws and cultures, we know them b4 we go. What right do they have to come here and complain n try n ban our culture in our country?
They knew our traditions b4 coming here. I am in no way racist but if they're not happy here n don't like our beliefs/traditions the can get on the next plane/train/boat n fuck off!!
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If you were outside a chapel or church you may be asked to turn it down though I suspect you would not have put it on in the first place. also is it not right to allow folk to practice their religion in peace. Anyone in thiscountry must abide by our laws and not sure about yourself but its never been a tradition of mine to play music outside a house of worship |
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The only way peace will become a reality in that region is if the other Muslim countries join forces(either with the Western powers)or preferably with each other. Saudi, Iran, Jordan must be a large part of this. . But hatred that exists between these Arab countries is unlikely to facilitate this.
So, it's gonna take the west and probably Russia to sort out.
Russia is reeling from its downed aircraft, France is grieving its loss . . . Here are two countries who will participate |
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"im not racist but....." generally followed by a racist comment as you so textbookly demonstrated with your follow up sentence....many people go to other countries and know the majority of the laws of the land and disregard them anyways...you need only look at Brits abroad in Spain,Ibiza,Columbia,Jamaica,Thailand,Dubai etc...there are so many cases that they even have tv shows dedicated to showing how ignorant we can be abroad,so perhaps we can hardly criticize anyone coming here and not wanting to conform if we're not willing to do the same when we're elsewhere in the world...when in Rome do as the Romans..so I went to Rome and I said hail ceaser to everyone I met! (true story!)
"All religion is an absolute farce, it is a second rate excuse for idiots the world over to fight with others as their opinions n outlooks differ from each other.
Just last week I was working in the street near a mosque n we were told, not asked i may add,to turn of our radio as the found "our" music offensive... RADIO 2!!
If westerners go to their countries we have to abide by their laws and cultures, we know them b4 we go. What right do they have to come here and complain n try n ban our culture in our country?
They knew our traditions b4 coming here. I am in no way racist but if they're not happy here n don't like our beliefs/traditions the can get on the next plane/train/boat n fuck off!!
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"If you were outside a chapel or church you may be asked to turn it down though I suspect you would not have put it on in the first place. also is it not right to allow folk to practice their religion in peace. Anyone in thiscountry must abide by our laws and not sure about yourself but its never been a tradition of mine to play music outside a house of worship"
well said...although im not religious I respect the choice of others to practice their religious beliefs so long as they don't try to force it on me lol im happy to discuss religion and learn from people but I shant be signing up for a newsletter and leaving my millions to them in my will |
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"If you were outside a chapel or church you may be asked to turn it down though I suspect you would not have put it on in the first place. also is it not right to allow folk to practice their religion in peace. Anyone in thiscountry must abide by our laws and not sure about yourself but its never been a tradition of mine to play music outside a house of worship"
We have the radio on regardless of where we work, there was no signs saying it was a mosque, it just looked like any other building in the street.
The music wasn't put on deliberately as u seem to be angling towards... It wasn't how what he said it was how he said it. After all we weren't working in the grounds of the building but a public street. Was he gonna stand all day n ask passing cars to turn of their radios? |
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If it was Kylie's greatest hits then I'd have asked you to turn it down/off aswell mate lol he might not have asked you in a polite manner but that doesn't justify you drawing the conclusion that he should fuck off back to where they come from especially considering the fact that Muslims (moors) have been in this country longer than you would believe
"If you were outside a chapel or church you may be asked to turn it down though I suspect you would not have put it on in the first place. also is it not right to allow folk to practice their religion in peace. Anyone in thiscountry must abide by our laws and not sure about yourself but its never been a tradition of mine to play music outside a house of worship
We have the radio on regardless of where we work, there was no signs saying it was a mosque, it just looked like any other building in the street.
The music wasn't put on deliberately as u seem to be angling towards... It wasn't how what he said it was how he said it. After all we weren't working in the grounds of the building but a public street. Was he gonna stand all day n ask passing cars to turn of their radios?"
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""im not racist but....." generally followed by a racist comment as you so textbookly demonstrated with your follow up sentence....many people go to other countries and know the majority of the laws of the land and disregard them anyways...you need only look at Brits abroad in Spain,Ibiza,Columbia,Jamaica,Thailand,Dubai etc...there are so many cases that they even have tv shows dedicated to showing how ignorant we can be abroad,so perhaps we can hardly criticize anyone coming here and not wanting to conform if we're not willing to do the same when we're elsewhere in the world...when in Rome do as the Romans..so I went to Rome and I said hail ceaser to everyone I met! (true story!) All religion is an absolute farce, it is a second rate excuse for idiots the world over to fight with others as their opinions n outlooks differ from each other.
Just last week I was working in the street near a mosque n we were told, not asked i may add,to turn of our radio as the found "our" music offensive... RADIO 2!!
If westerners go to their countries we have to abide by their laws and cultures, we know them b4 we go. What right do they have to come here and complain n try n ban our culture in our country?
They knew our traditions b4 coming here. I am in no way racist but if they're not happy here n don't like our beliefs/traditions the can get on the next plane/train/boat n fuck off!!
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As a matter of interest, what shows are these that you speak of and are they shown in this country or abroad?
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"Prob the " Brits abroad" shows ...ibiza etc "
Been to Spain many a time and seen Spanish pissed in the streets, should see it if barca or Madrid win something they are alot wilder than us. Can discount these shows |
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"Prob the " Brits abroad" shows ...ibiza etc
Been to Spain many a time and seen Spanish pissed in the streets, should see it if barca or Madrid win something they are alot wilder than us. Can discount these shows "
cant remember the name of the show but was about brits in middle eastern countrys. moaning about being jailed for public shows of affection while not married jist of the prog they felt they did no wrong. |
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