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"Is that GIRFEC (getting it right for every child) you are thinking about. For example, if your child was in primary school, their named person would be the head teacher. R" Yes, that's the other name for it. | |||
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"Heard about this on the radio the other day so presuming they're still wanting to implement. We can see the thinking behind it but its like a kick in the teeth to the 99% of parents who bring up their children properly - basically saying they don't trust us to do it. Agree that certain families / children need that safety net but to impose it on everyone is excessive. No doubt some will disagree with our position but its just the way wee feel." I agree with this. | |||
"Heard about this on the radio the other day so presuming they're still wanting to implement. We can see the thinking behind it but its like a kick in the teeth to the 99% of parents who bring up their children properly - basically saying they don't trust us to do it. Agree that certain families / children need that safety net but to impose it on everyone is excessive. No doubt some will disagree with our position but its just the way wee feel." Agree with you on this | |||
"Heard about this on the radio the other day so presuming they're still wanting to implement. We can see the thinking behind it but its like a kick in the teeth to the 99% of parents who bring up their children properly - basically saying they don't trust us to do it. Agree that certain families / children need that safety net but to impose it on everyone is excessive. No doubt some will disagree with our position but its just the way wee feel." I understand your position.  | |||
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"Heard about this on the radio the other day so presuming they're still wanting to implement. We can see the thinking behind it but its like a kick in the teeth to the 99% of parents who bring up their children properly - basically saying they don't trust us to do it. Agree that certain families / children need that safety net but to impose it on everyone is excessive. No doubt some will disagree with our position but its just the way wee feel."  not to mention the abuse this system could be used for | |||
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"I think it is just trying to stop incidents slipping through the net of authorities i.e. by naming one person as responsible it should stop issues being simply passed from person to person or department to department - there have been too many incidents resulting in tragedies - I don't think it means the SNP think all parents are rubbish and for 99% of people/families it would not even be noticed/actioned. I can see however that it could be interpreted in that way." it dosnt stop it being passed between dept to dept though just makes another legal guardian without the parents consent in my eyes | |||
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" But I do worry that the line between state or officials and parents/carers responsibilities and judgement are being blurred. I don't want anyone else being responsible for or making decisions & "taking care" of my children. Fine line I suppose. Dx" I agree. That's what am wondering about. The line is fine. | |||
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"What happens to the named person if something happens to the child,,,, are they involed in a witch hunt to find out who takes the blame for the child coming to harm or neglect ????? " From what i have read it is an added role to a person's job. Nothing will happen to the named person if they 'fail' i don't think. It is not clear from what i have read if it is up to the kids and/or the parents to approach the named person if they have an issue or if the named person has an active role i.e. liaising regularly with the kids. But very hard to do if a named person is caring for up to 200 kids like in the interview I saw. There is a lot more to find out this! | |||
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"Yes, it is going ahead... sounds mad but has been approved! " Yeah 2016 I read! Am quite surprised nothing been sent out. Only finding out bits about this via the medias, but nothing sent home! | |||
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"The "named person" will have the right to talk to your children without your consent. They will be able to give "advice and offer help" with out informing you. They will be in place from 0 - 18, recent reports claim they will have a right to be involved from the 3rd month of pregnancy. Note the age 18. If two people get married at 16, and have a child. Then there will be the need for 3 "named people" Having had previous issues with my local social work. I have every confidence that this will do nothing more than add yet another layer of malfunctioning admin to a system that is already paperwork heavy. One of my kids told me that a few years ago they had a meeting with someone from the council who finished the meeting with "just keep this between you and I. It's our little secret " This legislation is unnecessary, what us required is a root and branch reform of the social care sector - not more legislation. " Thanks for that 
That is the 'not informing you' that makes me question the whole thing and also someone not knowing your family taking decisions for you concerning your kids!
And kinda saying to kids that your parents cant deal with some of your issues, that parents cant ask for help if they need it or its ok for a kid to keep stuff from parents.
Saying that I also understand that some families and kids may need that extra person.
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"The "named person" will have the right to talk to your children without your consent. They will be able to give "advice and offer help" with out informing you. They will be in place from 0 - 18, recent reports claim they will have a right to be involved from the 3rd month of pregnancy. Note the age 18. If two people get married at 16, and have a child. Then there will be the need for 3 "named people" Having had previous issues with my local social work. I have every confidence that this will do nothing more than add yet another layer of malfunctioning admin to a system that is already paperwork heavy. One of my kids told me that a few years ago they had a meeting with someone from the council who finished the meeting with "just keep this between you and I. It's our little secret " This legislation is unnecessary, what us required is a root and branch reform of the social care sector - not more legislation. Thanks for that
That is the 'not informing you' that makes me question the whole thing and also someone not knowing your family taking decisions for you concerning your kids!
And kinda saying to kids that your parents cant deal with some of your issues, that parents cant ask for help if they need it or its ok for a kid to keep stuff from parents.
Saying that I also understand that some families and kids may need that extra person.
"Add the proposal to remove corroboration to this and just think of what could happen. | |||
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"A positive example of when they may need it is through hard times of bereavement, divorce or separation, alcoholism (that one is from personal experience), drug misuse or maybe even pregnancy, as was mentioned, where the child feels they can't talk to a close family member. Gives them an outlet. Like all legislation it will never be 100% perfect for all and will no doubt have teething issues. On the whole though I agree with it and to be fair a lot of it's been in place for years to a greater or lesser degree. Highland council (I think) have already implemented this. If it prevents another Rotherham - or even as extreme as the Westminster child abuse scandal of the 80s then it has to be worth doing. B" What next? State approved Child rearing certification - prior to conception. After all its all about the quality of life for the child. Or let's just take all the kids into care... If it stops one child being abused it's worth it. | |||
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" Personally I think a lot, not all, but a fair amount, of the negative sides of this are being blown, tabloid style, out of proportion in the same way that immigration and benefit abuse has been. It's all good headline grabbing. Just my view. " You might have a point there. Medias going wild! I was just trying to find out a bit more about it and found out all about the 'controversy' around it! | |||
"Have you seen the proposal,buried in health documents, for a national entitlement card? "Proposals contained within a consultation entitled “proposed amendments to the National Health Service Central Register (Scotland) Regulations 2006? would transform the Scottish NHS register (NHSCR) into a full scale population register accessible to over 120 Scottish authorities. Anyone who hasn’t yet got an entitlement card would be given one of these unique reference numbers. Alarmingly the scheme actually goes further than the UK’s Home Office ever envisaged with their National Identity Register as it links into the Scottish NHS database, and therefore people’s health records too. Anyone registering for one gets assigned a unique citizen reference number (UCRN), this unique identifier can be used to track people across the system." One of the stated aims of the changes proposed is that it would make it easier to ‘trace people’, the examples given are tracing missing children or ‘health tourists’. This is a giveaway as to the increased surveillance capabilities the scheme would create. If it’s able to trace children through civic transactions recorded on the system then it will be able to trace political campaigners, people’s whose library books are overdue, potentially anyone who comes to the attention of the authorities." Welcome to The Database State. " "Have you seen the proposal,buried in health documents, for a national entitlement card? "Proposals contained within a consultation entitled “proposed amendments to the National Health Service Central Register (Scotland) Regulations 2006? would transform the Scottish NHS register (NHSCR) into a full scale population register accessible to over 120 Scottish authorities. Anyone who hasn’t yet got an entitlement card would be given one of these unique reference numbers. Alarmingly the scheme actually goes further than the UK’s Home Office ever envisaged with their National Identity Register as it links into the Scottish NHS database, and therefore people’s health records too. Anyone registering for one gets assigned a unique citizen reference number (UCRN), this unique identifier can be used to track people across the system." One of the stated aims of the changes proposed is that it would make it easier to ‘trace people’, the examples given are tracing missing children or ‘health tourists’. This is a giveaway as to the increased surveillance capabilities the scheme would create. If it’s able to trace children through civic transactions recorded on the system then it will be able to trace political campaigners, people’s whose library books are overdue, potentially anyone who comes to the attention of the authorities." Welcome to The Database State. " Passports, Ni numbers, voter reg, driving licences, health records, bank records, social media tracking, Internet browsing tracking (even in private mode) are all there. Locally, here in Fife, kids have a Fife card for use in sport centres, schools etc, which will also have data attached. It's an unfortunate side effect of technology and our desire for ease of information (when it suits us) that the World is naturally going to go in this direction. I don't agree with all of it, but I certainly don't fear it either, especially given the amount of personal information out there already. I'd be more concerned about the ease and ability for big business and marketeers to get their hands on your information and the reach that that will have over Governments or Local Authorities. | |||
"Have you seen the proposal,buried in health documents, for a national entitlement card? "Proposals contained within a consultation entitled “proposed amendments to the National Health Service Central Register (Scotland) Regulations 2006? would transform the Scottish NHS register (NHSCR) into a full scale population register accessible to over 120 Scottish authorities. Anyone who hasn’t yet got an entitlement card would be given one of these unique reference numbers. Alarmingly the scheme actually goes further than the UK’s Home Office ever envisaged with their National Identity Register as it links into the Scottish NHS database, and therefore people’s health records too. Anyone registering for one gets assigned a unique citizen reference number (UCRN), this unique identifier can be used to track people across the system." One of the stated aims of the changes proposed is that it would make it easier to ‘trace people’, the examples given are tracing missing children or ‘health tourists’. This is a giveaway as to the increased surveillance capabilities the scheme would create. If it’s able to trace children through civic transactions recorded on the system then it will be able to trace political campaigners, people’s whose library books are overdue, potentially anyone who comes to the attention of the authorities." Welcome to The Database State. Have you seen the proposal,buried in health documents, for a national entitlement card? "Proposals contained within a consultation entitled “proposed amendments to the National Health Service Central Register (Scotland) Regulations 2006? would transform the Scottish NHS register (NHSCR) into a full scale population register accessible to over 120 Scottish authorities. Anyone who hasn’t yet got an entitlement card would be given one of these unique reference numbers. Alarmingly the scheme actually goes further than the UK’s Home Office ever envisaged with their National Identity Register as it links into the Scottish NHS database, and therefore people’s health records too. Anyone registering for one gets assigned a unique citizen reference number (UCRN), this unique identifier can be used to track people across the system." One of the stated aims of the changes proposed is that it would make it easier to ‘trace people’, the examples given are tracing missing children or ‘health tourists’. This is a giveaway as to the increased surveillance capabilities the scheme would create. If it’s able to trace children through civic transactions recorded on the system then it will be able to trace political campaigners, people’s whose library books are overdue, potentially anyone who comes to the attention of the authorities." Welcome to The Database State. Passports, Ni numbers, voter reg, driving licences, health records, bank records, social media tracking, Internet browsing tracking (even in private mode) are all there. Locally, here in Fife, kids have a Fife card for use in sport centres, schools etc, which will also have data attached. It's an unfortunate side effect of technology and our desire for ease of information (when it suits us) that the World is naturally going to go in this direction. I don't agree with all of it, but I certainly don't fear it either, especially given the amount of personal information out there already. I'd be more concerned about the ease and ability for big business and marketeers to get their hands on your information and the reach that that will have over Governments or Local Authorities." Big business and marketeers can't break up your family or put you in jail. The state can. If a named person takes a dislike to you, with access to this sort of information they can paint/distort a picture that fits their narrative. Been there under the current system, my family have the emotional scars to show it. All they have done for me and my family us cause heartache and stress. I was 1 hour away from walking out due to the blatant lies and deceit from our social services We have no trust in our social services, none at all.. | |||
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"Would it not be better to educate children from an early age as to what help is available to them and from whom. " They already do do that in Schools and nurseries. They have in my area anyway yearly campaign about 'Childline', a phone line that the kids can call to discuss issues they have. They can choose to remain anonymous. When the kids are under 5, there is a regular contact with the health visitors so parents can be educated there too. This is lost when kids go to school as health checks are done in the school. Also would a teenager be comfortable confiding in his headmaster about personal issues? Would kids, depending on age, not prefer to choose their named person? Also waiting list time to see mental health care specialists or other specialists, once the issue has been brought up. What is the named person to do during the 8/12 weeks waiting time to support that child with his limited resources and time! Lots to think about in my opinion, not just someone's name labelled on a child. | |||
" Also would a teenager be comfortable confiding in his headmaster about personal issues? Would kids, depending on age, not prefer to choose their named person? Also waiting list time to see mental health care specialists or other specialists, once the issue has been brought up. What is the named person to do during the 8/12 weeks waiting time to support that child with his limited resources and time! Lots to think about in my opinion, not just someone's name labelled on a child. " | |||
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"Helps if I put my bit in huh? Lol Good point on the child's right to choose. That would be good. Many kids can't speak to their parents either, I was like that, but would tell my deputy head anything as there was a bond through outdoor pursuits with him (no not that kind!). " Lol. It's always good to have bits in
You're right about the connection it does help a lot.
I know Schools where only the janitor is male. Will the boys be given a named person who is female? same with the girl, a male named person? There again they might want the right to choose.
And some teenagers may feel they can't talk to their parents but they are just being 'teenagers', it would be good for the named person to also facilitate communication between the kids and the parents. Which can only be done if the named person knows the family and the family as, the parents and the siblings of the child they are looking after and this before a problem arises. Do they have the time for this?
I have only read views from heads of schools, the state and parents but not the views of the young people, which would be interesting to have. | |||
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"Oh yes we do like our bits and the bits have to be in
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