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"In 1988, a US navy ship fired 2 ground to air missiiles at an Iranian passenger plane killing 290 passengers. I think they even gave the captain of ship who gave the order to fire a medal!! Think theres a US navy captain needing justice dealt too?" I saw the documentary about this. A whole catalogue of unfortunate things happened to cause the order to be given. A medal for him isn't right but he can't be blamed for giving the order. | |||
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"They had to release him. His appeal was grinding it's way inexorably to court, despite having been delayed by years. And he was going to win his appeal hands down, no question. Was he, in some way, involved in the plot to bring down Pan Am103? Probably, yes. Wittingly or unwittingly? We'll never know. Was he 'the bomber'? No. Was his imprisonment a massive miscarriage of justice. Definitely. Anyone who wants to be bothered to actually find out what happened, and where the justice system went wrong should buy a copy of "Lockerbie, Flight from Justice" by Paul Foot - The most respected investigive journalist of his generation. Also, listen to Jim Swire, who's daughter was killed on the flight and who has been the public face of the families and a campaigner for justice throughout.. He fully supports the prisoners release. And to the poster above who mentioned Swire making money from media appearances - Shame on you. " if he was guilty then leave it to a court to prove it, after all it was a court that proved his guilt and i cant believe it was done on specualtive comments and conspircay theories...as we have been surrounded with ever since! as i said, his innocence/guilt is irrelevent....the person that approved his release has to assume he is guilty as he was proved to be and can only make his decision based on that premise. if i were innocent i'd still be fighting to clear my name if that was the case. i certainly would not be befriending the country that extradited me for trial knowing what my fate would be!!! | |||
" if he was guilty then leave it to a court to prove it, " delete guilty, insert innocent! | |||
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" if he was guilty then leave it to a court to prove it, delete guilty, insert innocent!" The pending appeal was going to prove, not his innocence, but that he didnt get a fair trial in the first place. | |||
"i dont actually think the guy done it,,,if he did then he shld have rotted in jail but very unlikely he did do it,,however i do not agree with the americans demanding an xplenation on our goverment cld you imagine us doing that to them,,,they would laugh at us???our goverment did something right or wronge they only have the scottish people to answer to no one else as per the yanks think they own the world and try to bully other countries into doing what they want to do gggrr auds x "the only reason the scots held megrahi is that it is the only way that libys would extradite him; the conditions of his release were that he was tried in neutral territory by a scottish court and that the sentence was carried out in scotland. you cannot say that the US should not have been consulted considering their responsibility to ensure the welfare of the victims families...and the support towards the bomber by a few of their relatives does not a majority vote make! i think everyone is looking at this as a matter of innocence, not proved and of a political wrangling between 'them and us' rather than look at this as an isolated issue. the US have stated that had they been informed of his release, they would have pressed for him to be extradited to the US...how that would have been possible, i don't know, nor am i going to speculate...already too much of that! however, for us to say that the US should not have been AT THE VERY LEAST kept informed of the scottish governments intentions is, at the least, negligable. what they are actually saying is that the victims families have no right to know what is happening to the perpretator of the crime. any other victim of a crime is advised in advance of their release, it is a common courtesy and this should be no different. | |||
" if he was guilty then leave it to a court to prove it, delete guilty, insert innocent! The pending appeal was going to prove, not his innocence, but that he didnt get a fair trial in the first place. " you miss the point, the americans are arguing that they should have been advised, in advance, of his release. that is what the debate between the US and the Scottish Government is centered on. | |||
" if he was guilty then leave it to a court to prove it, delete guilty, insert innocent! The pending appeal was going to prove, not his innocence, but that he didnt get a fair trial in the first place. you miss the point, the americans are arguing that they should have been advised, in advance, of his release. that is what the debate between the US and the Scottish Government is centered on. " Correction; Ameican SENATORS are making all the noise. Not the american Government. The American Govt has had a bit of a grumble, for sure, but nothing more. Dogs. Sleeping. Lie. Let. Trust me. | |||
" if he was guilty then leave it to a court to prove it, delete guilty, insert innocent! The pending appeal was going to prove, not his innocence, but that he didnt get a fair trial in the first place. you miss the point, the americans are arguing that they should have been advised, in advance, of his release. that is what the debate between the US and the Scottish Government is centered on. Correction; Ameican SENATORS are making all the noise. Not the american Government. The American Govt has had a bit of a grumble, for sure, but nothing more. Dogs. Sleeping. Lie. Let. Trust me." that, like the scottish governments handling of this, is a total cop out! obama himself even commented on this and called it an injustice, now if he doesnt speak for the american government as a whole, then i don't know who does?! | |||
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"it happens everyday? peados...murderers get relesed without their victims knowing about it? why shld this be any diffrent im not sayn that the americans families shldnt have been told im sayn that the americans cant flex their muscles and jump up and down and expect everyone to do what they say? im not pretending to know the ins and outs right or wrong of it just dnt like bullies getn the better of things
auds x "From the Socttish Governements Website: 4.24 The Scottish Prison Service currently operates a victim notification scheme, for victims of violent or sexual crimes whose assailant is sentenced to a custodial sentence of 4 years or more. In this case, the victim will be informed by the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service that they are eligible for inclusion in this scheme, and if they opt to receive the information, their details will be sent to the Scottish Prison Service for inclusion in the scheme's records. The scheme ensures that, when the offender is about to be released from custody, the Scottish Prison Service will so inform the victim. This ensures that the victim has appropriate information regarding the offender's incarceration status. The Americans haven't asked why they weren't included in the decision making, but why the decision was made and the prisoner subsequently released without the courtesy of informing them. As the majority of the victims were Amercian, is this unreasonable? | |||
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" None of the players gives a toss about a)the public or b) the niceties of the Scottish Prison Service rules..." ...including the scottish government. | |||
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"We the people of Scotland will NEVER be told the truth of the entire matter. I personally do not think the guy was guilty. What happened was tit for tat between the US and Libya, The plane was delayed in leaving London and should have blew up over the Atlantic. The US is looking for retributon and as a notorious kick ass nation will not be content until the guy is dead. Lets face it their stand on the death penalty is matched only by Iraq, Iran and China I can remember the case in Vietnam when an American troop butchered an entire town of innocent women and children, and this from a civilised nation." I say that the recent rumblings from the U.S OF A regarding justice and judicial systems against our (Scottish) system need to remind them selves of the OJ Simson charade. | |||
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"obama himself even commented on this and called it an injustice, now if he doesnt speak for the american government as a whole, then i don't know who does?!" He spoke on behalf of media grumbling purporting to represent the American people. He did so to calm people down on his side of the Atlantic. That's fairly natural posturing to appease a populace. He himself realises that this is one small component of Scotland's, and the UK's, relationship with the US, which is why he's barely said anything at all. | |||
"The American Govt has had a bit of a grumble, for sure, but nothing more. Dogs. Sleeping. Lie. Let. Trust me." Agree, by a country mile. | |||
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