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Well, it hasn't taken long for the vow to be broken. Not unpredictable of course - the hyena is incapable of changing its spots.
The agenda from the wee whorehouse on the Thames is falling short of the home rule rhetoric espoused in desperation by the unionist campaign and which probably swung the vote away from YES.
If you were persuaded to vote for the status quo on the basis of the base Brown's duplicitous rhetoric, how are you feeling today? Somewhat deceived?
Thanks to the Smith Commission's report, the argument in favour of independence will certainly not be assuaged - although the ludicrous labour sound-bite of the day, powerhouse parliament, fits in neatly with the "comedians" thread on this forum.
Well done Mr Smith....
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"Well, it hasn't taken long for the vow to be broken. Not unpredictable of course - the hyena is incapable of changing its spots.
The agenda from the wee whorehouse on the Thames is falling short of the home rule rhetoric espoused in desperation by the unionist campaign and which probably swung the vote away from YES.
If you were persuaded to vote for the status quo on the basis of the base Brown's duplicitous rhetoric, how are you feeling today? Somewhat deceived?
Thanks to the Smith Commission's report, the argument in favour of independence will certainly not be assuaged - although the ludicrous labour sound-bite of the day, powerhouse parliament, fits in neatly with the "comedians" thread on this forum.
Well done Mr Smith....
Commonwealth Games: success.
Foray into politics: failure."
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"If its such a crap deal, why did the Nats sign up to it?"
YOU know exactly why, so cut out the nonsense, they took it because it is very slightly better than NOTHING
typical Westminster scam |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"If its such a crap deal, why did the Nats sign up to it?
YOU know exactly why, so cut out the nonsense, they took it because it is very slightly better than NOTHING
typical Westminster scam"
That sounds like the definition of an unprincipled stance. |
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"If its such a crap deal, why did the Nats sign up to it?
YOU know exactly why, so cut out the nonsense, they took it because it is very slightly better than NOTHING
typical Westminster scam
That sounds like the definition of an unprincipled stance."
nope, its in the better interests of Scotland, shame the no voters never thought of what's best for Scotland, lets watch Westminster crucify us all |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"If its such a crap deal, why did the Nats sign up to it?
YOU know exactly why, so cut out the nonsense, they took it because it is very slightly better than NOTHING
typical Westminster scam
That sounds like the definition of an unprincipled stance.
nope, its in the better interests of Scotland, shame the no voters never thought of what's best for Scotland, lets watch Westminster crucify us all"
We DID think of what's best for Scotland, voted accordingly and
WON 55-45. |
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At the minute all the Scottish Gov can do is dish out the money allocated to it.
If people want the Scottish Gov to do things that make Scotland attractive to business then they need the powers to make that happen. |
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"If its such a crap deal, why did the Nats sign up to it?
YOU know exactly why, so cut out the nonsense, they took it because it is very slightly better than NOTHING
typical Westminster scam
That sounds like the definition of an unprincipled stance.
nope, its in the better interests of Scotland, shame the no voters never thought of what's best for Scotland, lets watch Westminster crucify us all
We DID think of what's best for Scotland, voted accordingly and
WON 55-45."
you know very well that lies & cheating do not count as a win; that is of course; unless you are a fraudster yourself; done any time???
anyway, why am I debating with you when you wont show your profile, your comments will be ignored from now on |
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"At the minute all the Scottish Gov can do is dish out the money allocated to it.
If people want the Scottish Gov to do things that make Scotland attractive to business then they need the powers to make that happen. "
Westminster will never allow |
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"At the minute all the Scottish Gov can do is dish out the money allocated to it.
If people want the Scottish Gov to do things that make Scotland attractive to business then they need the powers to make that happen.
Westminster will never allow"
And that's the message the SNP should be campaigning on. |
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"At the minute all the Scottish Gov can do is dish out the money allocated to it.
If people want the Scottish Gov to do things that make Scotland attractive to business then they need the powers to make that happen.
Westminster will never allow
And that's the message the SNP should be campaigning on. "
THE TIDE IS TURNING |
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funny much as I usually enjoy being shafted I'm not laughing. I think it is a disgrace. To me Westminster has always smacked of arrogance and the Establishment looking down on us. I think we are treated as 2nd class and not understod. We get a party in power we didnt vote for and some seriously bad politicians. Irrespective of views on SNP I personally believe Scotland can quite easily manage its own affairs. It is in our nature to control budgets and to look after our ain. We dont give much credence to toffee noses and wed soon sort land issues out. Newer better politicians would rise up and step in. We are so far removed from London centric thinking, UKIP et al. Pay a visit to London, its like a different planet. Who are these people down there who know what is best for Scotland? Every step in the direction of more power and control is to be welcomed and each step will persuade more of us that are MORE than capable of running our own affairs. Even small things like no prescription charges and no bridge tolls make a significant difference - maybe I'm easily bought? ha ha Thats my hope anyway. Others are quite entitled to their own opinions, its what makes it a great place to be. |
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"At the minute all the Scottish Gov can do is dish out the money allocated to it.
If people want the Scottish Gov to do things that make Scotland attractive to business then they need the powers to make that happen.
Westminster will never allow
And that's the message the SNP should be campaigning on.
THE TIDE IS TURNING"
There might be another referendum in 2017, much sooner than anyone thought. |
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shooting and deerstalking estates to be stripped of an exemption from business rates, and about time too
£7 million saving used instead to fund buyouts of land and deliver the SNP’s target of having a million acres in community ownership by 2020.
Funny how estates changed over to shooting & stalking to avoid tax, well the wealthy estate owner's will now cough up, and if they aint happy then they can sell their land, I will happily buy and pay tax due |
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SNP ministers have promised to ensure Scotland's land is more "fairly" distributed, arguing that it is not right that only 432 owners have half the private land north of the Border |
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Ms Sturgeon told the Scottish Parliament that a policy statement on “land rights and responsibilities” would be published next week, along with a consultation on a “radical” Land Reform Bill |
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This report will be the final nail in labours and the daily records coffin.
The most important 2 lines in the report are as follows...
"It is agreed nothing in this report Prevents Scotland becoming an independent Country in the future Should the people of Scotland so choose."
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"SNP ministers have promised to ensure Scotland's land is more "fairly" distributed, arguing that it is not right that only 432 owners have half the private land north of the Border"
What would be the correct number? |
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For the love of god get over it I keep reading how we will not be held down westminster shackles and any other piece of nonsense fact ALL people of scotland were given the vote
fact of those who choose to vote a majority of no was returned.
Until their is another referendum and a decent plan put in place instead of a pipedream that is how it will stay keep the devide open you will never get change let the rift heal who knows but constantly whining about "the vow" shows how childish some can be please explain where "the vow" was broken because I dont see it ? |
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"For the love of god get over it I keep reading how we will not be held down westminster shackles and any other piece of nonsense fact ALL people of scotland were given the vote
fact of those who choose to vote a majority of no was returned.
Until their is another referendum and a decent plan put in place instead of a pipedream that is how it will stay keep the devide open you will never get change let the rift heal who knows but constantly whining about "the vow" shows how childish some can be please explain where "the vow" was broken because I dont see it ?"
Get over it ?
You'd have fuck all if it weren't for those fighting.
Promises made are broken. |
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Just because a no vote was returned, that doesn't stop the SNP or supporters of independence from wanting a better deal for Scotland.
People don't stop campaigning for what they want just because they fall at a certain hurdle. They pick themselves up and keep going. |
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"For the love of god get over it I keep reading how we will not be held down westminster shackles and any other piece of nonsense fact ALL people of scotland were given the vote
fact of those who choose to vote a majority of no was returned.
Until their is another referendum and a decent plan put in place instead of a pipedream that is how it will stay keep the devide open you will never get change let the rift heal who knows but constantly whining about "the vow" shows how childish some can be please explain where "the vow" was broken because I dont see it ?
Get over it ?
You'd have fuck all if it weren't for those fighting.
Promises made are broken. "
what promise is broken ? And for your information I have seen plenty fighting for my country |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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There are those who, for reasons of their own, quite enjoy being shackled.
They have a 'poor me' attitude to life (all aspects) and are currently bitterly disappointed that Eck marched them up a hill only to find the promised land wasn't there at all. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"For the love of god get over it I keep reading how we will not be held down westminster shackles and any other piece of nonsense fact ALL people of scotland were given the vote
fact of those who choose to vote a majority of no was returned.
Until their is another referendum and a decent plan put in place instead of a pipedream that is how it will stay keep the devide open you will never get change let the rift heal who knows but constantly whining about "the vow" shows how childish some can be please explain where "the vow" was broken because I dont see it ?
Get over it ?
You'd have fuck all if it weren't for those fighting.
Promises made are broken. "
No promises have been broken. The
Smith Commission is on time. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Just because a no vote was returned, that doesn't stop the SNP or supporters of independence from wanting a better deal for Scotland.
People don't stop campaigning for what they want just because they fall at a certain hurdle. They pick themselves up and keep going. "
We ALL want a better Scotland but independence isn't the answer. |
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"Just because a no vote was returned, that doesn't stop the SNP or supporters of independence from wanting a better deal for Scotland.
People don't stop campaigning for what they want just because they fall at a certain hurdle. They pick themselves up and keep going.
We ALL want a better Scotland but independence isn't the answer."
Which is why the SNP are pushing for a better devolution deal. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Just because a no vote was returned, that doesn't stop the SNP or supporters of independence from wanting a better deal for Scotland.
People don't stop campaigning for what they want just because they fall at a certain hurdle. They pick themselves up and keep going.
We ALL want a better Scotland but independence isn't the answer.
Which is why the SNP are pushing for a better devolution deal. "
Which is what Smith is providing. |
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"Just because a no vote was returned, that doesn't stop the SNP or supporters of independence from wanting a better deal for Scotland.
People don't stop campaigning for what they want just because they fall at a certain hurdle. They pick themselves up and keep going.
We ALL want a better Scotland but independence isn't the answer."
As a labour whip said we have been truly and utterly out manoeuvred.
Otherwise put. Were fucked  |
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"Just because a no vote was returned, that doesn't stop the SNP or supporters of independence from wanting a better deal for Scotland.
People don't stop campaigning for what they want just because they fall at a certain hurdle. They pick themselves up and keep going.
We ALL want a better Scotland but independence isn't the answer.
Which is why the SNP are pushing for a better devolution deal.
Which is what Smith is providing."
Not if the most effective outcome is wanted. |
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"Just because a no vote was returned, that doesn't stop the SNP or supporters of independence from wanting a better deal for Scotland.
People don't stop campaigning for what they want just because they fall at a certain hurdle. They pick themselves up and keep going.
We ALL want a better Scotland but independence isn't the answer.
As a labour whip said we have been truly and utterly out manoeuvred.
Otherwise put. Were fucked "
You're on the right site! |
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"There are those who, for reasons of their own, quite enjoy being shackled.
They have a 'poor me' attitude to life (all aspects) and are currently bitterly disappointed that Eck marched them up a hill only to find the promised land wasn't there at all."
from the guy on all his benefits
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"Just because a no vote was returned, that doesn't stop the SNP or supporters of independence from wanting a better deal for Scotland.
People don't stop campaigning for what they want just because they fall at a certain hurdle. They pick themselves up and keep going.
We ALL want a better Scotland but independence isn't the answer.
Which is why the SNP are pushing for a better devolution deal. "
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"what promise is broken ? And for your information I have seen plenty fighting for my country "
Devo max
I'm sure bullets and bombs are more convincing than democracy. |
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"what promise is broken ? And for your information I have seen plenty fighting for my country
Devo max
I'm sure bullets and bombs are more convincing than democracy. "
and getting paid for it too with a generous pension, if you enter the forces you have to be prepared to do Westminster's dirty work for them, do as your told whether legal or illegal war, run along now, earn your crust.
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"what promise is broken ? And for your information I have seen plenty fighting for my country
Devo max
I'm sure bullets and bombs are more convincing than democracy.
and getting paid for it too with a generous pension, if you enter the forces you have to be prepared to do Westminster's dirty work for them, do as your told whether legal or illegal war, run along now, earn your crust.
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In reality our forces rarely join up for the pay packet - it really isn't that brilliant. As for the pension - serve 22 years and you may walk away with a semi decent pension to live on. But at what cost? Ask yourself could you put your life on hold for your country because that is what they do every day without complaint!
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It's been interesting that the Tories have been more willing to accept more powers to Scotland! there stance is "As long as we keep the oil money and dump our nuclear weapons in your country instead of ours you can do whatever the fuck you want!!"
It's labour that have been fighting to keep every scrap of power in westminster because they know that if they lose scotland they lose power in England for ever!!! Scotland has been shafted by Labour and they are now going to suffer at the next election. |
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"what promise is broken ? And for your information I have seen plenty fighting for my country
Devo max
I'm sure bullets and bombs are more convincing than democracy.
and getting paid for it too with a generous pension, if you enter the forces you have to be prepared to do Westminster's dirty work for them, do as your told whether legal or illegal war, run along now, earn your crust.
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decent pension lol how little you know the army pension is terrible as said above unless you do the full 22yr colour service and even then its dependant on leaving rank its a pittance hell you dont even get a pension of any sort till 12 yrs commuted mine grand value of 5 grand the one thing you got right you join knowing you will follow the orders of whichever party is in power you really think snp will change this if they are in force oh the army of scotland only does as each individual wants .... get real an army is nothing more than the military power of the elected party hence the reason you have no political affiliation or vote and all this is known BEFORE you join you want change stop moaning about losing the referendum tell your party what you feel will convince more folk that a free scotland is possible but crying over spilt milk and decrying anyone who dosnt agree with your rose tinted view of a free scotland under the all powerful snp dream proposal will change nothing |
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"what promise is broken ? And for your information I have seen plenty fighting for my country
Devo max
I'm sure bullets and bombs are more convincing than democracy.
and getting paid for it too with a generous pension, if you enter the forces you have to be prepared to do Westminster's dirty work for them, do as your told whether legal or illegal war, run along now, earn your crust.
.decent pension lol how little you know the army pension is terrible as said above unless you do the full 22yr colour service and even then its dependant on leaving rank its a pittance hell you dont even get a pension of any sort till 12 yrs commuted mine grand value of 5 grand the one thing you got right you join knowing you will follow the orders of whichever party is in power you really think snp will change this if they are in force oh the army of scotland only does as each individual wants .... get real an army is nothing more than the military power of the elected party hence the reason you have no political affiliation or vote and all this is known BEFORE you join you want change stop moaning about losing the referendum tell your party what you feel will convince more folk that a free scotland is possible but crying over spilt milk and decrying anyone who dosnt agree with your rose tinted view of a free scotland under the all powerful snp dream proposal will change nothing"
Shows you how much you know about politics it wasnt just the SNP greens ssp and even some labour factions wanted it.
Westminster tells you to wage an illegal war and your proud of it ? |
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"what promise is broken ? And for your information I have seen plenty fighting for my country
Devo max
I'm sure bullets and bombs are more convincing than democracy.
and getting paid for it too with a generous pension, if you enter the forces you have to be prepared to do Westminster's dirty work for them, do as your told whether legal or illegal war, run along now, earn your crust.
.decent pension lol how little you know the army pension is terrible as said above unless you do the full 22yr colour service and even then its dependant on leaving rank its a pittance hell you dont even get a pension of any sort till 12 yrs commuted mine grand value of 5 grand the one thing you got right you join knowing you will follow the orders of whichever party is in power you really think snp will change this if they are in force oh the army of scotland only does as each individual wants .... get real an army is nothing more than the military power of the elected party hence the reason you have no political affiliation or vote and all this is known BEFORE you join you want change stop moaning about losing the referendum tell your party what you feel will convince more folk that a free scotland is possible but crying over spilt milk and decrying anyone who dosnt agree with your rose tinted view of a free scotland under the all powerful snp dream proposal will change nothing
Shows you how much you know about politics it wasnt just the SNP greens ssp and even some labour factions wanted it.
Westminster tells you to wage an illegal war and your proud of it ? "
illegal war ? Is that not a perspective thing? has anyone been charged with war crime against them any convictions by any war crimes body ? Just claiming its an illegal war dosnt make it so as a soldier you follow the orders of your commanders you have no political view as for other partys whos pipedream proposal was it believe it or not I would love an independant scotland but not at any cost |
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"illegal war ? Is that not a perspective thing? has anyone been charged with war crime against them any convictions by any war crimes body ? Just claiming its an illegal war dosnt make it so as a soldier you follow the orders of your commanders you have no political view as for other partys whos pipedream proposal was it believe it or not I would love an independant scotland but not at any cost"
"if you enter the forces you have to be prepared to do Westminster's dirty work for them, do as your told whether legal or illegal war, run along now, earn your crust."
By your own admission your happy to wage illegal wars.
Fought for your country ? Wow i can't recall us being invaded ?
You only have to look at Ferguson and see how the establishment roam free. |
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"the vow has still to be debated in the commons and then the Lords to make it law now i wonder what the outcome will be Any suggestiond  "
Forget the lords they only hold shit up but ultimately its the commons who legislate but your correct many labour mp's are already crying fowl. |
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"illegal war ? Is that not a perspective thing? has anyone been charged with war crime against them any convictions by any war crimes body ? Just claiming its an illegal war dosnt make it so as a soldier you follow the orders of your commanders you have no political view as for other partys whos pipedream proposal was it believe it or not I would love an independant scotland but not at any cost
if you enter the forces you have to be prepared to do Westminster's dirty work for them, do as your told whether legal or illegal war, run along now, earn your crust.
By your own admission your happy to wage illegal wars.
Fought for your country ? Wow i can't recall us being invaded ?
You only have to look at Ferguson and see how the establishment roam free. "
as of right now the conflict was not illegal and invasion wasnt the reason for the conflict human rights and atrocitys by another country and illegal weapons of mass destruction are the stated reasons its widely held that oil was the main drive and public opinion at the time agreed with nato forces stepping in..... hindsight has casted doubt on it so no I never took part in an illegal conflict and with the same published circumstances I would agree with our forces stepping in again legally |
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"illegal war ? Is that not a perspective thing? has anyone been charged with war crime against them any convictions by any war crimes body ? Just claiming its an illegal war dosnt make it so as a soldier you follow the orders of your commanders you have no political view as for other partys whos pipedream proposal was it believe it or not I would love an independant scotland but not at any cost
if you enter the forces you have to be prepared to do Westminster's dirty work for them, do as your told whether legal or illegal war, run along now, earn your crust.
By your own admission your happy to wage illegal wars.
Fought for your country ? Wow i can't recall us being invaded ?
You only have to look at Ferguson and see how the establishment roam free. as of right now the conflict was not illegal and invasion wasnt the reason for the conflict human rights and atrocitys by another country and illegal weapons of mass destruction are the stated reasons its widely held that oil was the main drive and public opinion at the time agreed with nato forces stepping in..... hindsight has casted doubt on it so no I never took part in an illegal conflict and with the same published circumstances I would agree with our forces stepping in again legally "
Forget about that
Your statement as it stands currently shows your happy to wage illegal wars. No ifs no butts. |
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"illegal war ? Is that not a perspective thing? has anyone been charged with war crime against them any convictions by any war crimes body ? Just claiming its an illegal war dosnt make it so as a soldier you follow the orders of your commanders you have no political view as for other partys whos pipedream proposal was it believe it or not I would love an independant scotland but not at any cost
if you enter the forces you have to be prepared to do Westminster's dirty work for them, do as your told whether legal or illegal war, run along now, earn your crust.
By your own admission your happy to wage illegal wars.
Fought for your country ? Wow i can't recall us being invaded ?
You only have to look at Ferguson and see how the establishment roam free. as of right now the conflict was not illegal and invasion wasnt the reason for the conflict human rights and atrocitys by another country and illegal weapons of mass destruction are the stated reasons its widely held that oil was the main drive and public opinion at the time agreed with nato forces stepping in..... hindsight has casted doubt on it so no I never took part in an illegal conflict and with the same published circumstances I would agree with our forces stepping in again legally
Forget about that
Your statement as it stands currently shows your happy to wage illegal wars. No ifs no butts. "
lol as I said perspective in your eyes illegal in the world community legal |
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"illegal war ? Is that not a perspective thing? has anyone been charged with war crime against them any convictions by any war crimes body ? Just claiming its an illegal war dosnt make it so as a soldier you follow the orders of your commanders you have no political view as for other partys whos pipedream proposal was it believe it or not I would love an independant scotland but not at any cost
if you enter the forces you have to be prepared to do Westminster's dirty work for them, do as your told whether legal or illegal war, run along now, earn your crust.
By your own admission your happy to wage illegal wars.
Fought for your country ? Wow i can't recall us being invaded ?
You only have to look at Ferguson and see how the establishment roam free. as of right now the conflict was not illegal and invasion wasnt the reason for the conflict human rights and atrocitys by another country and illegal weapons of mass destruction are the stated reasons its widely held that oil was the main drive and public opinion at the time agreed with nato forces stepping in..... hindsight has casted doubt on it so no I never took part in an illegal conflict and with the same published circumstances I would agree with our forces stepping in again legally
Forget about that
Your statement as it stands currently shows your happy to wage illegal wars. No ifs no butts. lol as I said perspective in your eyes illegal in the world community legal "
Its not my perspective at all its what you wrote making it your perspective. |
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Sorry I never claimed iraq was an illegal war someone else did guess who lol im mearly pointing out the holes in the argument ie you and others can claim its illegal hell even believe it but the world community dosnt agree same as snps pipedream wasnt believed |
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"Sorry I never claimed iraq was an illegal war someone else did guess who lol im mearly pointing out the holes in the argument ie you and others can claim its illegal hell even believe it but the world community dosnt agree same as snps pipedream wasnt believed "
You don't even know what the vow is come back when you do and we can talk politics |
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Thats because the vow was nothing more than "scotland will have more devolved powers" exactly what those powers are were never promised so if they allow scotland to sell its own s**t they have upheld "the vow " if they promised something tangible you could then claim that it was reneged on but sorry for what was said no vow promise has been broken |
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Still amuses me its pro independants that place so much on the vow most no voters did so without the vow being an issue then proceed to tell us are you proud this untangible vow hasnt been kept lol what hasnt been kept the vow its laughable |
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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago
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Surely that is not the Nationalists griping ...yet again .....They asked for and have got more powers...or is it maybe that the old "poor us were all victims" act which most of us ...well 55% of us saw through.Is wearing thin and the day of having to be responsible and answerable is not too far away for all the Hollyrood MSPs...I for one am all in favour of personal responsibility. |
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"Surely that is not the Nationalists griping ...yet again .....They asked for and have got more powers...or is it maybe that the old "poor us were all victims" act which most of us ...well 55% of us saw through.Is wearing thin and the day of having to be responsible and answerable is not too far away for all the Hollyrood MSPs...I for one am all in favour of personal responsibility."
Like jim murphy, ali D, lamont, anus sarwar, and soon to be brown not to mention at the ballot box ?
Yup i'm all for that as well but most will be rewarded with a lordship.
Loyalist/unionists would say shit smelt of roses if it meant continuing follow following the queen |
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"If its such a crap deal, why did the Nats sign up to it?"
Because if they didn't they'd be getting slaughtered by the media for not taking at least a partial victory / refusing to take on the responsibility of governing Scotland. It's a crap deal, but it's a step and I think we'll be revisiting this within the next 5 years or so. |
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"Yes that will be the SNP.....the midwives of Thatcherism."
Very good, you must belong to _nny's deluded gang of truth deniers and twisters.
Labour bankrupted the country (again), left the dead unburied and thwarted democracy .... yet you have the brass neck to suggest that SNP voting against those traitrous scumbags makes them Thatcher's handmaidens?
Truth is, uncomfortable though this may be for the justifiably endangered and swiftly diminishing labour rump, the labour government ushered in all those years of tory rule by being terminally useless, dishonest, self-serving and treacherous.
Plus ca change..... |
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over a year ago
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"Doesn't change the fact the SNP voted with the Tories to bring Thatcher to power."
And the lies continue vote for labour or you will get the tories.
Fact, votes brought thatcher to power predominately English ones. |
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over a year ago
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"Doesn't change the fact the SNP voted with the Tories to bring Thatcher to power."
As a no voter are you happy with smith report, get what you want or hoped for ?
Wanted more ? |
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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago
Glasgow ish |
"Doesn't change the fact the SNP voted with the Tories to bring Thatcher to power.
And the lies continue vote for labour or you will get the tories.
Fact, votes brought thatcher to power predominately English ones. "
1974 11 SNP MP'S returned
16 Conservative MP'S returned
1979 1 SNP MP returned
22 Conservative MP'S returned.
"Currency Plan B's!
3 for a dollar..... Sir!
(Apologies to MIB) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Doesn't change the fact the SNP voted with the Tories to bring Thatcher to power.
And the lies continue vote for labour or you will get the tories.
Fact, votes brought thatcher to power predominately English ones.
1974 11 SNP MP'S returned
16 Conservative MP'S returned
1979 1 SNP MP returned
22 Conservative MP'S returned.
"Currency Plan B's!
3 for a dollar..... Sir!
(Apologies to MIB)"
Delusional i'll say it once more.
Votes brought thatcher in predominately English ones.
Fear factor might have worked before but not anymore as you will find out come May.
The reports now at westminster god help us now once they rip it to bits.
shame on you. |
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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago
Glasgow ish |
"Doesn't change the fact the SNP voted with the Tories to bring Thatcher to power.
And the lies continue vote for labour or you will get the tories.
Fact, votes brought thatcher to power predominately English ones.
1974 11 SNP MP'S returned
16 Conservative MP'S returned
1979 1 SNP MP returned
22 Conservative MP'S returned.
"Currency Plan B's!
3 for a dollar..... Sir!
(Apologies to MIB)
Delusional i'll say it once more.
Votes brought thatcher in predominately English ones.
Fear factor might have worked before but not anymore as you will find out come May.
The reports now at westminster god help us now once they rip it to bits.
shame on you. "
What for, seeing through the poor "wish list" aka "Scotland's Future ".
That was continually presented as fact when it was just "aspirational".
Tory government, austerity,
80 years to prepare, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning, the extended franchise & the choice of date and it's some how my fault you didn't win.
Wow. |
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The labour party is beyond shame. It has been many decades since they could claim to be the inheritors of Keir Hardy's principles (another word which is alien to the labour lexicon).
Labour politicians' priorities... power, influence, self-enrichment, advancement, ennoblement, cronyism, corruption, gangsterism, subversion of democracy .... not much space in that hellish cocktail for service to the electorate.
We know where their priorities lie and they will be paying a heavy price at the next GE, which is why Darling and Brown are already bailing out.
Incidentally, there is an interesting piece by unionist scribe Alex Massie in the Spectator, describing labour's woes, the lacklustre Smith proposals and the post-referendum surge in support for independence. Arch unionist though he may be, he seems to have accepted that the union will not last much longer. |
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Lol careful of calling politicians liers was their a certain someone used tax payers money to halt disclosure of talks between pro independance and european advisors later to be found out that no such discussions took place make sure your washings done before you fling mud |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Doesn't change the fact the SNP voted with the Tories to bring Thatcher to power.
And the lies continue vote for labour or you will get the tories.
Fact, votes brought thatcher to power predominately English ones.
1974 11 SNP MP'S returned
16 Conservative MP'S returned
1979 1 SNP MP returned
22 Conservative MP'S returned.
"Currency Plan B's!
3 for a dollar..... Sir!
(Apologies to MIB)
Delusional i'll say it once more.
Votes brought thatcher in predominately English ones.
Fear factor might have worked before but not anymore as you will find out come May.
The reports now at westminster god help us now once they rip it to bits.
shame on you.
What for, seeing through the poor "wish list" aka "Scotland's Future ".
That was continually presented as fact when it was just "aspirational".
Tory government, austerity,
80 years to prepare, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning, the extended franchise & the choice of date and it's some how my fault you didn't win.
Wow. "
Straight from the tory now facist ukip douglas carswell school of thinking  |
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"Lol careful of calling politicians liers was their a certain someone used tax payers money to halt disclosure of talks between pro independance and european advisors later to be found out that no such discussions took place make sure your washings done before you fling mud "
Kind of like IDS done on tuesday and ed before the watered down approved from down south report was published. |
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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago
Glasgow ish |
"Doesn't change the fact the SNP voted with the Tories to bring Thatcher to power.
And the lies continue vote for labour or you will get the tories.
Fact, votes brought thatcher to power predominately English ones.
1974 11 SNP MP'S returned
16 Conservative MP'S returned
1979 1 SNP MP returned
22 Conservative MP'S returned.
"Currency Plan B's!
3 for a dollar..... Sir!
(Apologies to MIB)
Delusional i'll say it once more.
Votes brought thatcher in predominately English ones.
Fear factor might have worked before but not anymore as you will find out come May.
The reports now at westminster god help us now once they rip it to bits.
shame on you.
What for, seeing through the poor "wish list" aka "Scotland's Future ".
That was continually presented as fact when it was just "aspirational".
Tory government, austerity,
80 years to prepare, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning, the extended franchise & the choice of date and it's some how my fault you didn't win.
Wow.
Straight from the tory now facist ukip douglas carswell school of thinking "
Wow. Just wow. Come indy will I be first against the wall or will I be shipped south in the cattle truck?
Free speech our way or no way. |
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over a year ago
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"Doesn't change the fact the SNP voted with the Tories to bring Thatcher to power.
And the lies continue vote for labour or you will get the tories.
Fact, votes brought thatcher to power predominately English ones.
1974 11 SNP MP'S returned
16 Conservative MP'S returned
1979 1 SNP MP returned
22 Conservative MP'S returned.
"Currency Plan B's!
3 for a dollar..... Sir!
(Apologies to MIB)
Delusional i'll say it once more.
Votes brought thatcher in predominately English ones.
Fear factor might have worked before but not anymore as you will find out come May.
The reports now at westminster god help us now once they rip it to bits.
shame on you.
What for, seeing through the poor "wish list" aka "Scotland's Future ".
That was continually presented as fact when it was just "aspirational".
Tory government, austerity,
80 years to prepare, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning, the extended franchise & the choice of date and it's some how my fault you didn't win.
Wow.
Straight from the tory now facist ukip douglas carswell school of thinking
Wow. Just wow. Come indy will I be first against the wall or will I be shipped south in the cattle truck?
Free speech our way or no way. "
Maybe better asking Ed or cameron as both are now dancing to ukip thats how low they go to get votes. |
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"Doesn't change the fact the SNP voted with the Tories to bring Thatcher to power.
And the lies continue vote for labour or you will get the tories.
Fact, votes brought thatcher to power predominately English ones.
1974 11 SNP MP'S returned
16 Conservative MP'S returned
1979 1 SNP MP returned
22 Conservative MP'S returned.
"Currency Plan B's!
3 for a dollar..... Sir!
(Apologies to MIB)
Delusional i'll say it once more.
Votes brought thatcher in predominately English ones.
Fear factor might have worked before but not anymore as you will find out come May.
The reports now at westminster god help us now once they rip it to bits.
shame on you.
What for, seeing through the poor "wish list" aka "Scotland's Future ".
That was continually presented as fact when it was just "aspirational".
Tory government, austerity,
80 years to prepare, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning, the extended franchise & the choice of date and it's some how my fault you didn't win.
Wow.
Straight from the tory now facist ukip douglas carswell school of thinking
Wow. Just wow. Come indy will I be first against the wall or will I be shipped south in the cattle truck?
Free speech our way or no way. "
seems lots will be on the wall hard to believe its the minoroty ........shout loudest its true .......apparently forget things like facts |
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over a year ago
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"Doesn't change the fact the SNP voted with the Tories to bring Thatcher to power.
And the lies continue vote for labour or you will get the tories.
Fact, votes brought thatcher to power predominately English ones.
1974 11 SNP MP'S returned
16 Conservative MP'S returned
1979 1 SNP MP returned
22 Conservative MP'S returned.
"Currency Plan B's!
3 for a dollar..... Sir!
(Apologies to MIB)
Delusional i'll say it once more.
Votes brought thatcher in predominately English ones.
Fear factor might have worked before but not anymore as you will find out come May.
The reports now at westminster god help us now once they rip it to bits.
shame on you.
What for, seeing through the poor "wish list" aka "Scotland's Future ".
That was continually presented as fact when it was just "aspirational".
Tory government, austerity,
80 years to prepare, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning, the extended franchise & the choice of date and it's some how my fault you didn't win.
Wow.
Straight from the tory now facist ukip douglas carswell school of thinking
Wow. Just wow. Come indy will I be first against the wall or will I be shipped south in the cattle truck?
Free speech our way or no way. seems lots will be on the wall hard to believe its the minoroty ........shout loudest its true .......apparently forget things like facts "
Well lets see come may  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Doesn't change the fact the SNP voted with the Tories to bring Thatcher to power.
And the lies continue vote for labour or you will get the tories.
Fact, votes brought thatcher to power predominately English ones.
1974 11 SNP MP'S returned
16 Conservative MP'S returned
1979 1 SNP MP returned
22 Conservative MP'S returned.
"Currency Plan B's!
3 for a dollar..... Sir!
(Apologies to MIB)
Delusional i'll say it once more.
Votes brought thatcher in predominately English ones.
Fear factor might have worked before but not anymore as you will find out come May.
The reports now at westminster god help us now once they rip it to bits.
shame on you.
What for, seeing through the poor "wish list" aka "Scotland's Future ".
That was continually presented as fact when it was just "aspirational".
Tory government, austerity,
80 years to prepare, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning, the extended franchise & the choice of date and it's some how my fault you didn't win.
Wow.
Straight from the tory now facist ukip douglas carswell school of thinking
Wow. Just wow. Come indy will I be first against the wall or will I be shipped south in the cattle truck?
Free speech our way or no way. seems lots will be on the wall hard to believe its the minoroty ........shout loudest its true .......apparently forget things like facts
Well lets see come may "
we cant dwell on the past |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" we cant dwell on the past"
Exactly; We cannot Dwell on the past; today in 2014 the fight for Independence is growing stronger day by day; Labour voters by the thousands are turning to SNP; we see this weekly at the SNP meetings and no voters are realising that the threats from banks, insurance companies, pensions were just threats to the point of black mail, many no voters are changing their way of thinking and now thinking that an Independent Scotland will be a great thing for all of Scotland bar land owners (estates) and wealthy Tories.
As Bob Dylan once wrote;
Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
FOR THE LOSER NOW
WILL BE LATER TO WIN
For the times they are a-changin'
FOR THE LOSER NOW
WILL BE LATER TO WIN
For the times they are a-changin'
Scotland will gain Independence in my lifetime
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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago
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Yes the swivel eyed loons are back, Oh and it was the SNP who voted WITH the hated tories in the seventies...Oh and who was that other deluded message poster claiming to live to see independence.....You had the "perfect storm" in circumstances....even setting the question and you LOST...accept it not as an opinion or a wishful thought but as a cold hard fact...xx |
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"Yes the swivel eyed loons are back, Oh and it was the SNP who voted WITH the hated tories in the seventies...Oh and who was that other deluded message poster claiming to live to see independence.....You had the "perfect storm" in circumstances....even setting the question and you LOST...accept it not as an opinion or a wishful thought but as a cold hard fact...xx"
You are wrong but stating it as if,it is fact! Typical! There was a labour-SNP pact under Callaghans government on the basis that labour have a referendum on a Scottish PARLIAMENT! Labour then downgraded it to an assembly and then introduced the 40% for the one and only time in uk history ensuring that the election would be lost. The Tories put in their 1979 manifesto that they would give a proper parliament if Scotland voted no. And we all know how that worked out! After getting stabbed in the back by labour (not for the last time) the SNP walked out on the labour govt who turned to the Northern Irish parties. So once again we were shafted by the two main Westminster parties but people like you like to believe the easy lie that the SNP voted with the Tories rather than Scotland getting lied to by labour and the Tories. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Yes the swivel eyed loons are back, Oh and it was the SNP who voted WITH the hated tories in the seventies...Oh and who was that other deluded message poster claiming to live to see independence.....You had the "perfect storm" in circumstances....even setting the question and you LOST...accept it not as an opinion or a wishful thought but as a cold hard fact...xx
You are wrong but stating it as if,it is fact! Typical! There was a labour-SNP pact under Callaghans government on the basis that labour have a referendum on a Scottish PARLIAMENT! Labour then downgraded it to an assembly and then introduced the 40% for the one and only time in uk history ensuring that the election would be lost. The Tories put in their 1979 manifesto that they would give a proper parliament if Scotland voted no. And we all know how that worked out! After getting stabbed in the back by labour (not for the last time) the SNP walked out on the labour govt who turned to the Northern Irish parties. So once again we were shafted by the two main Westminster parties but people like you like to believe the easy lie that the SNP voted with the Tories rather than Scotland getting lied to by labour and the Tories."
I guess that means there's no chance of Nicola/ Eck agreeing to a pact with Labour post May 2015 then. |
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By *landAnnCouple
over a year ago
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"Yes the swivel eyed loons are back, Oh and it was the SNP who voted WITH the hated tories in the seventies...Oh and who was that other deluded message poster claiming to live to see independence.....You had the "perfect storm" in circumstances....even setting the question and you LOST...accept it not as an opinion or a wishful thought but as a cold hard fact...xx
You are wrong but stating it as if,it is fact! Typical! There was a labour-SNP pact under Callaghans government on the basis that labour have a referendum on a Scottish PARLIAMENT!
Labour then downgraded it to an assembly and then introduced the 40% for the one and only time in uk history ensuring that the election would be lost.
The Tories put in their 1979 manifesto that they would give a proper parliament if Scotland voted no. And we all know how that worked out!
After getting stabbed in the back by labour (not for the last time) the SNP walked out on the labour govt who turned to the Northern Irish parties.
So once again we were shafted by the two main Westminster parties but people like you like to believe the easy lie that the SNP voted with the Tories rather than Scotland getting lied to by labour and the Tories
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"Well, it hasn't taken long for the vow to be broken. Not unpredictable of course - the hyena is incapable of changing its spots.
The agenda from the wee whorehouse on the Thames is falling short of the home rule rhetoric espoused in desperation by the unionist campaign and which probably swung the vote away from YES.
If you were persuaded to vote for the status quo on the basis of the base Brown's duplicitous rhetoric, how are you feeling today? Somewhat deceived?
Thanks to the Smith Commission's report, the argument in favour of independence will certainly not be assuaged - although the ludicrous labour sound-bite of the day, powerhouse parliament, fits in neatly with the "comedians" thread on this forum.
Well done Mr Smith....
Commonwealth Games: success.
Foray into politics: failure."
Got bored after the first couple of sentences and didn't read the rest. Was it worth it??? |
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"Yes the swivel eyed loons are back, Oh and it was the SNP who voted WITH the hated tories in the seventies...Oh and who was that other deluded message poster claiming to live to see independence.....You had the "perfect storm" in circumstances....even setting the question and you LOST...accept it not as an opinion or a wishful thought but as a cold hard fact...xx
You are wrong but stating it as if,it is fact! Typical! There was a labour-SNP pact under Callaghans government on the basis that labour have a referendum on a Scottish PARLIAMENT! Labour then downgraded it to an assembly and then introduced the 40% for the one and only time in uk history ensuring that the election would be lost. The Tories put in their 1979 manifesto that they would give a proper parliament if Scotland voted no. And we all know how that worked out! After getting stabbed in the back by labour (not for the last time) the SNP walked out on the labour govt who turned to the Northern Irish parties. So once again we were shafted by the two main Westminster parties but people like you like to believe the easy lie that the SNP voted with the Tories rather than Scotland getting lied to by labour and the Tories.
I guess that means there's no chance of Nicola/ Eck agreeing to a pact with Labour post May 2015 then."
Snp lost to labour in midlothian by 69 votes in council election a hundred votes where tories voted labour in a pact to keep snp out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Tactical voting? That's a novel idea."
Tories labour labour tories all one and the same.
Hey least we have devolved power to alter our own road signs woop happy days. |
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As a former serving soldier I feel British as well as Scottish, our English cousins are in the same boat as us it's the tories we need to oust Independance isn't necessarily the answer but maybe more local powers for councils would sort it out.... just my ten sense  |
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"As a former serving soldier I feel British as well as Scottish, our English cousins are in the same boat as us it's the tories we need to oust Independance isn't necessarily the answer but maybe more local powers for councils would sort it out.... just my ten sense "
Unfortunately labour not the tories ensured less not more powers were granted. |
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"As a former serving soldier I feel British as well as Scottish, our English cousins are in the same boat as us it's the tories we need to oust Independance isn't necessarily the answer but maybe more local powers for councils would sort it out.... just my ten sense "
More local powers for local councils would be a good thing but unfortunately (and ironically) we are currently under the most centralist Scottish government in history. They are only interested in keeping the power in Edinburgh. |
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"As a former serving soldier I feel British as well as Scottish, our English cousins are in the same boat as us it's the tories we need to oust Independance isn't necessarily the answer but maybe more local powers for councils would sort it out.... just my ten sense
Unfortunately labour not the tories ensured less not more powers were granted."
Can you name a single power that the SNP govt have given to Local Authorities while controlling Council Tax, centralising the police force etc? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"As a former serving soldier I feel British as well as Scottish, our English cousins are in the same boat as us it's the tories we need to oust Independance isn't necessarily the answer but maybe more local powers for councils would sort it out.... just my ten sense
Unfortunately labour not the tories ensured less not more powers were granted."
Swinney signed up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As a former serving soldier I feel British as well as Scottish, our English cousins are in the same boat as us it's the tories we need to oust Independance isn't necessarily the answer but maybe more local powers for councils would sort it out.... just my ten sense
Unfortunately labour not the tories ensured less not more powers were granted.
Can you name a single power that the SNP govt have given to Local Authorities while controlling Council Tax, centralising the police force etc?"
Like the police force the only one paying tax to a uk government. ? |
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"As a former serving soldier I feel British as well as Scottish, our English cousins are in the same boat as us it's the tories we need to oust Independance isn't necessarily the answer but maybe more local powers for councils would sort it out.... just my ten sense
Unfortunately labour not the tories ensured less not more powers were granted.
Swinney signed up."
Well road signs are better than nothing no ? |
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"As a former serving soldier I feel British as well as Scottish, our English cousins are in the same boat as us it's the tories we need to oust Independance isn't necessarily the answer but maybe more local powers for councils would sort it out.... just my ten sense
More local powers for local councils would be a good thing but unfortunately (and ironically) we are currently under the most centralist Scottish government in history. They are only interested in keeping the power in Edinburgh."
Yes I would agree mate, but let them govern Scotland with full powers under the British flag, we have achieved so much together look at the British empire we had as much a hand in that as England did. We should be proud to be part of the greatest Island nation the world has ever seen... but am proud of my Scottish ancestors too for fighting injustice in their day, but that was a different time  |
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"As a former serving soldier I feel British as well as Scottish, our English cousins are in the same boat as us it's the tories we need to oust Independance isn't necessarily the answer but maybe more local powers for councils would sort it out.... just my ten sense
Unfortunately labour not the tories ensured less not more powers were granted.
Can you name a single power that the SNP govt have given to Local Authorities while controlling Council Tax, centralising the police force etc?
Like the police force the only one paying tax to a uk government. ? "
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"As a former serving soldier I feel British as well as Scottish, our English cousins are in the same boat as us it's the tories we need to oust Independance isn't necessarily the answer but maybe more local powers for councils would sort it out.... just my ten sense
Unfortunately labour not the tories ensured less not more powers were granted.
Can you name a single power that the SNP govt have given to Local Authorities while controlling Council Tax, centralising the police force etc?
Like the police force the only one paying tax to a uk government. ?
Eh?"
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"As a former serving soldier I feel British as well as Scottish, our English cousins are in the same boat as us it's the tories we need to oust Independance isn't necessarily the answer but maybe more local powers for councils would sort it out.... just my ten sense
Unfortunately labour not the tories ensured less not more powers were granted.
Can you name a single power that the SNP govt have given to Local Authorities while controlling Council Tax, centralising the police force etc?
Like the police force the only one paying tax to a uk government. ? "
They're paying VAT cos they're part of the Scottish Govt, not controlled by local authorities. Another of MacAskilljoy's 'bright' ideas. |
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"They're paying VAT cos they're part of the Scottish Govt, not controlled by local authorities. Another of MacAskilljoy's 'bright' ideas."
PSNI don’t pay VAT. National Crime Agency don’t pay VAT. Logic ?
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By *illi37Woman
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Rubenesque ,i have to admire your dedication to this thread, although your well informed ,i still disagree with the fundamental belief behind your messages. but is that not where the fun is anyway xx  |
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"Rubenesque ,i have to admire your dedication to this thread, although your well informed ,i still disagree with the fundamental belief behind your messages. but is that not where the fun is anyway xx "
Brown wants to hit the reset button disengage people from politics and for us all to go back in our box and be quiet.
I say fuck that |
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"Brown wants to hit the reset button disengage people from politics and for us all to go back in our box and be quiet.
I say fuck that"
True, Broon is a pitiful, deluded misanthropic example of mankind, a true coward who much prefers delivering speeches to a small room of hand-picked and unquestioning labour mentalists, than to engaging in true debate, where his nonsensical pronouncements can be torn apart.
Thank goodness the polling for the next GE has persuaded himself and serial house-flipping fraudster Darling Al to quit the scene, rather than face electoral humiliation.
Good to see also that flipper Darling's fiscal rectitude is as flexible as ever - 150K in BT expenses!
Scotland will be much the better after the upcoming clearout of labour neanderthals and crooks. |
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That's good, coming from such an arch denier of truth and reality, who still believes that the arrival of the Thatcher government was caused by the SNP, and who has voiced no condemnation of labour's usurping of democracy with the 40% fix!
Mein Partei right or wrong, nicht wahr?
I accept the reality of the result and there is no indication to the contrary in what I posted ... but I also acknowledge the devious, underhand manner in which it was achieved, but remain confident that time is on our side and independence will be achieved within a few years.
Your tory friends, with whom your leaders were so happy to share a platform in the cause of mutual self-preservation, are not such great friends now and the immediate post-vote unravelling of the BT coalition can only produce an unsatisfactory result.
We'll be back to re-visit this issue very soon - enjoy the last few years of unionism and Stockholm syndrome. |
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"That's good, coming from such an arch denier of truth and reality, who still believes that the arrival of the Thatcher government was caused by the SNP, and who has voiced no condemnation of labour's usurping of democracy with the 40% fix!
Mein Partei right or wrong, nicht wahr?
I accept the reality of the result and there is no indication to the contrary in what I posted ... but I also acknowledge the devious, underhand manner in which it was achieved, but remain confident that time is on our side and independence will be achieved within a few years.
Your tory friends, with whom your leaders were so happy to share a platform in the cause of mutual self-preservation, are not such great friends now and the immediate post-vote unravelling of the BT coalition can only produce an unsatisfactory result.
We'll be back to re-visit this issue very soon - enjoy the last few years of unionism and Stockholm syndrome."
Well said & fully agree |
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"let them govern Scotland with full powers under the British flag, we have achieved so much together look at the British empire we had as much a hand in that as England did. We should be proud to be part of the greatest Island nation the world has ever seen..."
In praise of empire? Our shameful past of invasions, murder, ethnic cleansing, oppression, slavery.
Apart from Britain's record of invasion and conquest overseas, let's not forget the oppression imposed on Ireland, nor the disgusting holocaust in the Highlands perpetrated by the butcher Cumberland's redcoats, which (later aided by the opportunist actions of the London-assimilated clan chiefs) led to the emptying of the glens, the effects of which have lasted to this day.
And that attitude still continues in the London corridors of power, as the Chagos islanders know to their cost.
The oppressor never feels the pain of his victims.
We can be proud of our culture, enterprise and discoveries .... but the empire?
Hardly |
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""let them govern Scotland with full powers under the British flag, we have achieved so much together look at the British empire we had as much a hand in that as England did. We should be proud to be part of the greatest Island nation the world has ever seen..."
In praise of empire? Our shameful past of invasions, murder, ethnic cleansing, oppression, slavery.
Apart from Britain's record of invasion and conquest overseas, let's not forget the oppression imposed on Ireland, nor the disgusting holocaust in the Highlands perpetrated by the butcher Cumberland's redcoats, which (later aided by the opportunist actions of the London-assimilated clan chiefs) led to the emptying of the glens, the effects of which have lasted to this day.
And that attitude still continues in the London corridors of power, as the Chagos islanders know to their cost.
The oppressor never feels the pain of his victims.
We can be proud of our culture, enterprise and discoveries .... but the empire?
Hardly "
I'm still proud of it, you are entitled to your opinion and I mine
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"Opinions are limited, If I put my opinion of you, it would be removed and I would face a 3 or 4 day cooling down ban
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oooohhh! think thats a dummy being spat out llf |
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