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"good luck to her, it is good to see women reach the top in politics
Suggesting that becoming leader of the SNP is 'reaching the top in politics' is stretching credibility more than a bit.
you are better than that, to lead a party is significant and be the first minister.
good luck to her
well said "
She must be the only party leader to celebrate her coronation by running a Defeat Tour of Scotland 2014.
Are you suggesting that Jim Murphy's tour was triumphant? Or, that Davidson or Lamont have reached the apogee of Scottish politics?
Maybe you hark back to McLeish - who ended with an apology - or McConnell - who started with an apology, or Curran who sits like a parrot on the shoulder of the less able/credible brother - the fact remains that Sturgeon leads the most popular and powerful political party in Scotland, she is our First Minister.
In keeping with the ethos of this site -Labour are going to get humped at the next election. |
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Finally - someone who thinks that the, 'Just For Men' Jim Murphy made a worthwhile contribution to the Referendum! The outcome isn't in contestation - the contributing factors are myriad - Let's all wait and see what happens at the next election - Onny thoughts / predictions/ apologies/scapegoats or ridiculous propositions for your forthcoming spanking - again, trying to use concepts relevant to the site... |
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"I can only reiterate
1) I said we were going to win the Referendum
2) I explained why we were going to win
3) I came close to getting the %ages right"
Sad and damning that by tour own admission this is all you can do. I believe that others can do more / better. |
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"How will UKIP do in Scotland, I wonder?"
Frankly, I regard them as foreigners - illegal aliens who have no place here!
I'm being flippant - I understand their appeal - but don't revel in it. I deplore their appeal to the Zenophobic, and hope that we can address the concerns of those whose concerns are more tangible - our greatest export is our own people - maybe we should try to ensure that our greatest imports are other people? |
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"How will the Greens do?"
I've voted Green in the past and might well do so again - at the minute, I believe in pursuing independence as a primary route to securing the fairness, sustainability and wellbeing that I hope for. |
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"How will the Greens do?
I've voted Green in the past and might well do so again - at the minute, I believe in pursuing independence as a primary route to securing the fairness, sustainability and wellbeing that I hope for."
Whats their defence policy? |
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"How will the Greens do?
I've voted Green in the past and might well do so again - at the minute, I believe in pursuing independence as a primary route to securing the fairness, sustainability and wellbeing that I hope for.
Whats their defence policy?"
Peace and Non Violence |
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Ayrshire you can pursue Indepedence till your wee heart is content. But this I will confidently say it's not going to happen anytime soon  . You had ur chance u lost I would say quite emphatically. The appetite for change simply was not there. But in the meantime enjoy your pursuing lol. |
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"The Green Party would have us defending ourselves with pea shooters if it was left to them. "
Against whom?
As things stand, we have a defence strategy based on 20th Century battle lines. We still have enemies - but they're in the current Century. Do you think the new Crusades have helped?
Not the only changes that appear to have escaped some people... |
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Ayrshire if you really need to ask who we need to defend ourselves against then really I despair with you. You seem like quite an intelligent guy so don't act thick when asking who do we need defended against. If you are happy with pea shooters then more power to you. Me I prefer having the army, navy & airforce we currently have looking after & defending our country. |
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"Ayrshire you can pursue Indepedence till your wee heart is content. But this I will confidently say it's not going to happen anytime soon . You had ur chance u lost I would say quite emphatically. The appetite for change simply was not there. But in the meantime enjoy your pursuing lol."
I will indeed enjoy the pursuit - and just for interest- I don't have a wee heart - I have a big heart! |
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"Ayrshire if you really need to ask who we need to defend ourselves against then really I despair with you. You seem like quite an intelligent guy so don't act thick when asking who do we need defended against. If you are happy with pea shooters then more power to you. Me I prefer having the army, navy & airforce we currently have looking after & defending our country. "
The Maginot line didn't work last time around - let's not build another one. There is indeed a need for a strong defence of our nation - but let's not build a moat! Let's deal with this century's threats...
PS - I'm not quite intelligent, I'm very intelligent! |
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I'm glad u have a big heart Ayrshire. Just means your big heart was broken when you emphatically lost the referndum...... Which is nice & makes me glad. So happy pursuing & maybe one day you might even find a pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow. Well that's more likely than Independence anytime soon .
Ps Sorry I did you a disservice saying u seemed mildly intelligent. My mistake you still think Independence is going to happen sometime soon so on reflection I have given you more credit than you deserved. You are not quite as intelligent as you try to make out |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I can only reiterate
1) I said we were going to win the Referendum
2) I explained why we were going to win
3) I came close to getting the %ages right
Sad and damning that by tour own admission this is all you can do. I believe that others can do more / better."
It's better to be right about 3 things (as I am) than wrong about everything (as you are). |
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"I can only reiterate
1) I said we were going to win the Referendum
2) I explained why we were going to win
3) I came close to getting the %ages right
Sad and damning that by tour own admission this is all you can do. I believe that others can do more / better.
It's better to be right about 3 things (as I am) than wrong about everything (as you are)."
I watched The Apprentice tonight - lots of testosterone fuelled assertion - little response to questions asked.
Where's your defence of Murphy, McLeish, McConnell and Curran? And if you fancy yourself as Mystic Onny - what are your predictions for the results of the next Scottish election?
Got to be torn by tribalism and cognition here... |
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"I'm glad u have a big heart Ayrshire. Just means your big heart was broken when you emphatically lost the referndum...... Which is nice & makes me glad. So happy pursuing & maybe one day you might even find a pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow. Well that's more likely than Independence anytime soon .
My heart soared when I saw the engagement of young people in this process. Never broken and no joy in others displeasure or disappointment. There are senses in which I appear to be more of a Unionist than you.
PS
Love your quaint use of the word midly -I'm sure it was deliberate.
Ps Sorry I did you a disservice saying u seemed mildly intelligent. My mistake you still think Independence is going to happen sometime soon so on reflection I have given you more credit than you deserved. You are not quite as intelligent as you try to make out "
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So Ayrshire let's be frank as far as ur concerned all Labour politicians you have an issue with so no matter how robust a defence we make it's going to make no difference to your opinion ....... So why would anyone waste their time on a fruitless & thankless debate as whatever we say you are going to disagree with it.
What I will say about Murphy this is the same guy who the Yes campaign tried to intimidate with some unsavoury scenes. You just need to google it & you will find it. But I'm sure in your eyes Ayrshire that's ok.
As for the future of politics well Septic Peg why don't you make your forecast as you clearly feel you are privy to the results of the forthcoming general elections already . |
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"I can only reiterate
1) I said we were going to win the Referendum
2) I explained why we were going to win
3) I came close to getting the %ages right
Sad and damning that by tour own admission this is all you can do. I believe that others can do more / better.
It's better to be right about 3 things (as I am) than wrong about everything (as you are)."
Well, here are the specific points that I made, all of which you said are wrong. I suspect that your response will be the customary bluster rather than a rational response - but here you go - a chance to prove me wrong - rather than just decry me as wrong...
!. Are you suggesting that Jim Murphy's tour was triumphant? Or, that Davidson or Lamont have reached the apogee of Scottish politics? Happy to hear about the achievements of any of the aforementioned.
2.Maybe you hark back to McLeish - who ended with an apology (Am I wrong?) - or McConnell - who started with an apology (Again - am I wrong?, or Curran who sits like a parrot on the shoulder of the less able/credible brother (Wrong?)
- the fact remains that Sturgeon leads the most popular and powerful political party in Scotland, she is our First Minister. (Wrong?
In keeping with the ethos of this site -Labour are going to get humped at the next election. (Wrong?)
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"So Ayrshire let's be frank as far as ur concerned all Labour politicians you have an issue with so no matter how robust a defence we make it's going to make no difference to your opinion ....... So why would anyone waste their time on a fruitless & thankless debate as whatever we say you are going to disagree with it.
What I will say about Murphy this is the same guy who the Yes campaign tried to intimidate with some unsavoury scenes. You just need to google it & you will find it. But I'm sure in your eyes Ayrshire that's ok.
As for the future of politics well Septic Peg why don't you make your forecast as you clearly feel you are privy to the results of the forthcoming general elections already ."
Wrong Wrong Wrong. I'm an instinctive Labour voter who can't vote for them. They were woeful in power - UK and Scotland, and in Scotland have been outdone by a smarter and harder working administration. I have several friends who voted No - who will vote SNP on the basis that they are more credible and productive than their Labour contemporaries.
Insulted that you think I would support any assault on anyone articulating their opinion- I don't share Jim Murray's _iews - and I don't think he's a very able politician - but violence and abuse are unacceptable.
As to my prediction - I think that you've got a better chance at getting humped at the next election than you have on this site! |
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Obviously Jim Murphys tour was triumphant you want to know why??? Because he was on the winning triumphant side
As for McLeish & McConnell geeso how far do you want to go back??? Will be go back to the days of Churchill & Lloyd George. Let's deal with the here & now.
Yes Snp are the most popular party for now!!! It will not always be the case times change & they will not always be as popular as they are now.
As for your predictions of humping well I'm pretty sure you were saying you were going to win the yes vote..... Remind me how did that work out for you again Ayrshire????? |
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Lol Ayrshire when u start throwing personal insults it tells me you are losing the argument.
As for getting humped..... This coming from the guy with no verifications. Aye very good Ayrshire why don't you crawl back Into the rock you came out from. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"......
- the fact remains that Sturgeon ....... is our First Minister. (Wrong?
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Wrong.
Sturgeon will become leader of the SNP when Eck formally stands down and will (probably) become First Minister when Holyrood and (this will really get on her tits) the Queen approve it. |
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"Lol Ayrshire when u start throwing personal insults it tells me you are losing the argument.
As for getting humped..... This coming from the guy with no verifications. Aye very good Ayrshire why don't you crawl back Into the rock you came out from."
Firstly -I threw no insults - pointing out your ridiculous use of mangled text speak was done as a service to you.
Should you apply a greater degree of attention than is usual for you, you will see that my profile is verified.
As to rocks - let me know if you ever develop a second cell and manage to see the daylight.
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"......
- the fact remains that Sturgeon ....... is our First Minister. (Wrong?
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Wrong.
Sturgeon will become leader of the SNP when Eck formally stands down and will (probably) become First Minister when Holyrood and (this will really get on her tits) the Queen approve it."
Good on the headlines - not so good on the analysis. The Pulitzer is not in the post.
Send her victorious... |
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Ayrshire you did throw insults fact.... Why cause you are losing the argument.
As for paying attention well no verifications were showing on your profile when I checked it FACT. But maybe you changed that now. As for having only 1 cell then I am pleased to say it's clearly 1 more than you have Ayrshire |
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"Ayrshire you did throw insults fact.... Why cause you are losing the argument.
As for paying attention well no verifications were showing on your profile when I checked it FACT. But maybe you changed that now. As for having only 1 cell then I am pleased to say it's clearly 1 more than you have Ayrshire "
Again with the ill-founded assertions and accusations. I'm all for care in the community - but think I'll stick to chucking a couple of quid in a bucket instead of trying to convince flat earth society members that their comprehension of the world might be somewhat limited.
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"I can only reiterate
1) I said we were going to win the Referendum
2) I explained why we were going to win
3) I came close to getting the %ages right"
lotto numbers for sat _nny??? |
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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago
Glasgow ish |
"Ayrshire you did throw insults fact.... Why cause you are losing the argument.
As for paying attention well no verifications were showing on your profile when I checked it FACT. But maybe you changed that now. As for having only 1 cell then I am pleased to say it's clearly 1 more than you have Ayrshire
Again with the ill-founded assertions and accusations. I'm all for care in the community - but think I'll stick to chucking a couple of quid in a bucket instead of trying to convince flat earth society members that their comprehension of the world might be somewhat limited.
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Couple of quid in a bucket.. reminds me, any signs of a cogent currency policy yet.
As for comprehension, currently Brent crude $83 dollars a barrel. SNP projections ~$115 dpb.
How would you provide an oil fund, meet the start up costs and finance the ongoing structural debt in Scotland?
Abrogate our existing debt commitments? Scotland being a new country? Oh that would go down like a lead brick on the financial markets.
As for 'flat earth society' - what was the campaigns offer to the Scottish research sector - "there will be a common research area". Guess what, that would have met with the same answer that the "common currency" did. So where would the new state find the cash to fund the 45% cut in research income to the Scottish science sector?
Maybe you should come out from underneath your insular nationalist blanket and join the interconnected world.
The YES campaign did well to paint Scotland's Future as a document of fact, when I'm reality it was only an aspirational document.
In simple terms - a wish list.
I aspire to a better future for myself, my family and those around me.
The offer on the table at the vote did not, in my judgement, provide that.
The sovereign will of the Scottish people spoke. "No".
80 years of preparation, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning. Whose fault you didn't win?
Not those that voted no. Look to those that put such a poorly thought out document in front of their fellow Scots. |
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By *i_garyMan
over a year ago
glasgow |
"Brent Crude now $85 a barrel.
Good for petrol prices.
Bad for Eckonomics."
I posted about this in another thread and there was pretty much no response to it. Snp estimates for oil income last year were £7.1 to £8.3 billion and they were actually £4.1 billion. The figures they've used throughout the campaign are now being show to be massively wrong. The other thing to keep in mind is that much of the oil left in the North Sea is only economically viable to recover at certain levels and as oil prices continue decreasing then it can't be recovered so again that shows up the Snp's estimates that production will increase over the coming years to be ridiculous. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"I can only reiterate
1) I said we were going to win the Referendum
2) I explained why we were going to win
3) I came close to getting the %ages rightlotto numbers for sat _nny???"
There's too much chance in Lotto. The Referendum was a certainty. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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a few very smug pps on this new thread ,i will be voting snp at general election as i feel i can trust nicola sturgeon a lot more than any of the rest esp ed milliband god help us if he ever becomes pm |
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"Ayrshire you did throw insults fact.... Why cause you are losing the argument.
As for paying attention well no verifications were showing on your profile when I checked it FACT. But maybe you changed that now. As for having only 1 cell then I am pleased to say it's clearly 1 more than you have Ayrshire
Again with the ill-founded assertions and accusations. I'm all for care in the community - but think I'll stick to chucking a couple of quid in a bucket instead of trying to convince flat earth society members that their comprehension of the world might be somewhat limited.
Couple of quid in a bucket.. reminds me, any signs of a cogent currency policy yet.
As for comprehension, currently Brent crude $83 dollars a barrel. SNP projections ~$115 dpb.
How would you provide an oil fund, meet the start up costs and finance the ongoing structural debt in Scotland?
Abrogate our existing debt commitments? Scotland being a new country? Oh that would go down like a lead brick on the financial markets.
As for 'flat earth society' - what was the campaigns offer to the Scottish research sector - "there will be a common research area". Guess what, that would have met with the same answer that the "common currency" did. So where would the new state find the cash to fund the 45% cut in research income to the Scottish science sector?
Maybe you should come out from underneath your insular nationalist blanket and join the interconnected world.
The YES campaign did well to paint Scotland's Future as a document of fact, when I'm reality it was only an aspirational document.
In simple terms - a wish list.
I aspire to a better future for myself, my family and those around me.
The offer on the table at the vote did not, in my judgement, provide that.
The sovereign will of the Scottish people spoke. "No".
80 years of preparation, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning. Whose fault you didn't win?
Not those that voted no. Look to those that put such a poorly thought out document in front of their fellow Scots. "
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"Ayrshire you did throw insults fact.... Why cause you are losing the argument.
As for paying attention well no verifications were showing on your profile when I checked it FACT. But maybe you changed that now. As for having only 1 cell then I am pleased to say it's clearly 1 more than you have Ayrshire
Again with the ill-founded assertions and accusations. I'm all for care in the community - but think I'll stick to chucking a couple of quid in a bucket instead of trying to convince flat earth society members that their comprehension of the world might be somewhat limited.
Couple of quid in a bucket.. reminds me, any signs of a cogent currency policy yet.
As for comprehension, currently Brent crude $83 dollars a barrel. SNP projections ~$115 dpb.
How would you provide an oil fund, meet the start up costs and finance the ongoing structural debt in Scotland?
Abrogate our existing debt commitments? Scotland being a new country? Oh that would go down like a lead brick on the financial markets.
As for 'flat earth society' - what was the campaigns offer to the Scottish research sector - "there will be a common research area". Guess what, that would have met with the same answer that the "common currency" did. So where would the new state find the cash to fund the 45% cut in research income to the Scottish science sector?
Maybe you should come out from underneath your insular nationalist blanket and join the interconnected world.
The YES campaign did well to paint Scotland's Future as a document of fact, when I'm reality it was only an aspirational document.
In simple terms - a wish list.
I aspire to a better future for myself, my family and those around me.
The offer on the table at the vote did not, in my judgement, provide that.
The sovereign will of the Scottish people spoke. "No".
80 years of preparation, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning. Whose fault you didn't win?
Not those that voted no. Look to those that put such a poorly thought out document in front of their fellow Scots. "
Excellently put Jane... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"a few very smug pps on this new thread ,i will be voting snp at general election as i feel i can trust nicola sturgeon a lot more than any of the rest esp ed milliband god help us if he ever becomes pm"
we will be doing the same ,and as for ed milliband they are going to have a very tough job trying to win back the many thousands that feel betrayed by them for losing their socialist values. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Angus & Findhorn |
"Ayrshire you did throw insults fact.... Why cause you are losing the argument.
As for paying attention well no verifications were showing on your profile when I checked it FACT. But maybe you changed that now. As for having only 1 cell then I am pleased to say it's clearly 1 more than you have Ayrshire
Again with the ill-founded assertions and accusations. I'm all for care in the community - but think I'll stick to chucking a couple of quid in a bucket instead of trying to convince flat earth society members that their comprehension of the world might be somewhat limited.
Couple of quid in a bucket.. reminds me, any signs of a cogent currency policy yet.
As for comprehension, currently Brent crude $83 dollars a barrel. SNP projections ~$115 dpb.
How would you provide an oil fund, meet the start up costs and finance the ongoing structural debt in Scotland?
Abrogate our existing debt commitments? Scotland being a new country? Oh that would go down like a lead brick on the financial markets.
As for 'flat earth society' - what was the campaigns offer to the Scottish research sector - "there will be a common research area". Guess what, that would have met with the same answer that the "common currency" did. So where would the new state find the cash to fund the 45% cut in research income to the Scottish science sector?
Maybe you should come out from underneath your insular nationalist blanket and join the interconnected world.
The YES campaign did well to paint Scotland's Future as a document of fact, when I'm reality it was only an aspirational document.
In simple terms - a wish list.
I aspire to a better future for myself, my family and those around me.
The offer on the table at the vote did not, in my judgement, provide that.
The sovereign will of the Scottish people spoke. "No".
80 years of preparation, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning. Whose fault you didn't win?
Not those that voted no. Look to those that put such a poorly thought out document in front of their fellow Scots. "
an excellent post |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Show me a politician who doesn't lie or patronize the electorate they are all so out of touch no wonder there is such public apathy effectively offering devo max after refusing it be part of the referendum has mate the no campaign look foolish and every time you do the sums or examine the firelighters that were the white paper the yes campaign looks foolish
I can place no trust in any of them personally |
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By *i_garyMan
over a year ago
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"Ayrshire you did throw insults fact.... Why cause you are losing the argument.
As for paying attention well no verifications were showing on your profile when I checked it FACT. But maybe you changed that now. As for having only 1 cell then I am pleased to say it's clearly 1 more than you have Ayrshire
Again with the ill-founded assertions and accusations. I'm all for care in the community - but think I'll stick to chucking a couple of quid in a bucket instead of trying to convince flat earth society members that their comprehension of the world might be somewhat limited.
Couple of quid in a bucket.. reminds me, any signs of a cogent currency policy yet.
As for comprehension, currently Brent crude $83 dollars a barrel. SNP projections ~$115 dpb.
How would you provide an oil fund, meet the start up costs and finance the ongoing structural debt in Scotland?
Abrogate our existing debt commitments? Scotland being a new country? Oh that would go down like a lead brick on the financial markets.
As for 'flat earth society' - what was the campaigns offer to the Scottish research sector - "there will be a common research area". Guess what, that would have met with the same answer that the "common currency" did. So where would the new state find the cash to fund the 45% cut in research income to the Scottish science sector?
Maybe you should come out from underneath your insular nationalist blanket and join the interconnected world.
The YES campaign did well to paint Scotland's Future as a document of fact, when I'm reality it was only an aspirational document.
In simple terms - a wish list.
I aspire to a better future for myself, my family and those around me.
The offer on the table at the vote did not, in my judgement, provide that.
The sovereign will of the Scottish people spoke. "No".
80 years of preparation, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning. Whose fault you didn't win?
Not those that voted no. Look to those that put such a poorly thought out document in front of their fellow Scots. "
Regarding the final point, there were disagreements within the YES camp about the white paper with (I think it was the Greens) wanting a factual document rather than an 'aspirational' one. But as usual the SNP went ahead did what they wanted. That probably cost them quite a few votes from people who, rightly, thought it wasn't grounded in reality and therefore not to be trusted. |
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