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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes here to though mr is a No

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By *UNKIEMan over a year ago

south east

"Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it . "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it .

+1"

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By *ifes journeyCouple over a year ago

scotland

Very easy to pass opinion on what has happened in the past and to highlight failings of previous leadership.

Very hard to predict what will happen in the future. Even Mr Salmond is having difficulty with that as most the questions asked are replied to with fluff or the word negotiate is heavily used.

Scotland could be good independant but it's all too much 'wing & prayer' going on for my liking.

However, I respect everyone has their own vote.

I also believe whatever happens, we will go from one bunch of toffee nosed idiots running the country to another who just happen to be more local.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nope

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it . "

What nasty comments are you on about? Please can you point them out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it .

What nasty comments are you on about? Please can you point them out.

J"
its still a nope

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh another referendum thread. . . .well that's something we've not had for about 20 minutes

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it . "

A brighter future? So what about the economic of it all and the membership of things like EU and NATO. The list is massive and the answers have not been given, I will not even mention the fact that if it is a yes we will be using another countries money and dont mention Panama as they actually have their own currency as well as use the US Dollar, but we will not have a central bank, who sets the interest rates? Who is around to do the regulations?

Anyway your voting Yes because you can see the future being brighter, good luck.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh another referendum thread. . . .well that's something we've not had for about 20 minutes

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20 minutes is a long time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh another referendum thread. . . .well that's something we've not had for about 20 minutes

20 minutes is a long time

Not long enough when this particular topic is concerned!!!

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Oh another referendum thread. . . .well that's something we've not had for about 20 minutes

20 minutes is a long time

Not long enough when this particular topic is concerned!!!"

Well the OP thought that the other thread was nasty for some reason....I thought it was pretty civilised in the discussion/debate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh another referendum thread. . . .well that's something we've not had for about 20 minutes

20 minutes is a long time

Not long enough when this particular topic is concerned!!!"
any more than 30 seconds listening to the drivel from either side is enough for me

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

I would ask the OP to convince me why I should vote Yes. Please give sound reasons based on facts. Here is your chance to turn a No voter to a Yes voter.

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By *unglasgow69Man over a year ago

Glasgow

It's a Naw from me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Big YES from me all the way..

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By *mudg3rMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

I agree. I want a brighter future. So it NO. !!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I would ask the OP to convince me why I should vote Yes. Please give sound reasons based on facts. Here is your chance to turn a No voter to a Yes voter."

I'm not here to change your mind. I just know what my heart and mind say

And I meant on other threads

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes voter !

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Big YES from me all the way.."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it . "

I was beginning to think I was imagining all the negativity and arrogance of some ppl on here glad to see I'm not the only one

It helped me in a way to come to my decision

I'm voting yes coz I'm proud to be scottish first

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it .

I was beginning to think I was imagining all the negativity and arrogance of some ppl on here glad to see I'm not the only one

It helped me in a way to come to my decision

I'm voting yes coz I'm proud to be scottish first

Being proud to be Scottish is your first reason for vote? What about other reasons then that have an effect on the country? Economics for starters or is it a case of lets vote Yes and sort it all out afterwards?

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"I would ask the OP to convince me why I should vote Yes. Please give sound reasons based on facts. Here is your chance to turn a No voter to a Yes voter.

I'm not here to change your mind. I just know what my heart and mind say

And I meant on other threads "

You say your heart, what about the economics of it all? Your mind is saying that its all fine and that all these groups are totally wrong and that the EU are wrong and Nato are wrong and we will just walk straight in with membership and that no matter what is said by anyone Salmond and his burd are right? We dont even have a plan for a currency of our own...but dont worry we will be like Norway...I hope you dont drink, smoke, drive a car.....but thanks anyway for the reply. J

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By *mudg3rMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it .

I was beginning to think I was imagining all the negativity and arrogance of some ppl on here glad to see I'm not the only one

It helped me in a way to come to my decision

I'm voting yes coz I'm proud to be scottish first

I'm enormously proud to be Scottish. I've travelled a fair bit of the world supporting Scotland at rugby. Not always great experience. Lol. Being proud to be Scottish is not a good reason to vote yes. I respect all yes voters but hope that pride is not the reason. It's deeper than that v

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Yes voter !

Come on please convince me to Vote Yes, give me sound reasons why I should change my mind and also why other No voters on here should change their mind?

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By *andemanMan over a year ago

bedforshire

"Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it .

I was beginning to think I was imagining all the negativity and arrogance of some ppl on here glad to see I'm not the only one

It helped me in a way to come to my decision

I'm voting yes coz I'm proud to be scottish first

I am deeply proud to be a Scot. The real fight for Scotish Pride is not in independence it is in winning a fair deal for all Celtic people in the UK. Since when does Scotland run away from a fight.??

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

Glasgow ish

"Pride", "Honour","Fairness", "Justice", are all fine words.

However they don't put food on the table, pay the bills and clothe you.

I read a diatribe by a Yes voter today that put all the blames for "failure" on the Westminister parliament.

One line being - "1 in 3 people in council estates in the West of Scotland leave school without a single qualification."

That's NOT a failure of government, that's a lack of pride in yourself and a drive to better yourself. The "government" can't take your exams for you.

Or the rubbish about being "subjugated", "a colony". Show me where the yoke of english oppression lies on my shoulders?

Fairness - £16.25 million pa, on an empty ayrshire airfield.

£0.5 million for all the food banks in Scotland.

Don't swallow the land of milk and honey idea being peddled, there will be pain, it will take time, and people will suffer because of it.

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By *othingButCocoChanelWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

"I would ask the OP to convince me why I should vote Yes. Please give sound reasons based on facts. Here is your chance to turn a No voter to a Yes voter."

Surely you have seen the facts if you have came to a no conclusion

Why should the OP waste time trying to convince someone who has already made a decision

Its a YES from me

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By *othingButCocoChanelWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

"Yes voter !

Come on please convince me to Vote Yes, give me sound reasons why I should change my mind and also why other No voters on here should change their mind?

You CLEARLY already have your mind made up so i think its best to "try and get" undeciders to vote yes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes voter !

Come on please convince me to Vote Yes, give me sound reasons why I should change my mind and also why other No voters on here should change their mind?

why should someone om a swingers site have to convince u to vote whatever surely u are grown up enough to make your own mind up who u are voting for ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""Pride", "Honour","Fairness", "Justice", are all fine words.

However they don't put food on the table, pay the bills and clothe you.

I read a diatribe by a Yes voter today that put all the blames for "failure" on the Westminister parliament.

One line being - "1 in 3 people in council estates in the West of Scotland leave school without a single qualification."

That's NOT a failure of government, that's a lack of pride in yourself and a drive to better yourself. The "government" can't take your exams for you.

Or the rubbish about being "subjugated", "a colony". Show me where the yoke of english oppression lies on my shoulders?

Fairness - £16.25 million pa, on an empty ayrshire airfield.

£0.5 million for all the food banks in Scotland.

Don't swallow the land of milk and honey idea being peddled, there will be pain, it will take time, and people will suffer because of it."

its probably ppl like u who would say ppl in poverty is their own fault and would rather stick with a goverment who do not give a toss for the common ppl ,yip let the lords and eton millionaires look after all their rich friends and tell us we are all in this together my fcking arse,and pls dont come back with scaremongering figures as i care more about fairness and equality than money .

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By *unybunyWoman over a year ago

Living in a Scottish office somewhere

regardless of how it goes wish it was all over and done with, totally sick of it all

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Surely you have seen the facts if you have came to a no conclusion

Why should the OP waste time trying to convince someone who has already made a decision

Its a YES from me "

The vote is on the 18th both sides are trying to convince people to change thier vote or the undeciders to pick Yes or No, also there are still people from either side changing, so are Yes and No wasting their time then trying to do this? Also thanks for the PM that you sent.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Yes voter !

Come on please convince me to Vote Yes, give me sound reasons why I should change my mind and also why other No voters on here should change their mind?

You CLEARLY already have your mind made up so i think its best to "try and get" undeciders to vote yes

Do you? Well in that case you are very narrow minded indeed. The Yes campaign should be trying to presuade everyone that they should be voting Yes, I have not cast my vote just like millions of others so who is to say they cant/wont change their minds.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Yes voter !

Come on please convince me to Vote Yes, give me sound reasons why I should change my mind and also why other No voters on here should change their mind?

why should someone om a swingers site have to convince u to vote whatever surely u are grown up enough to make your own mind up who u are voting for ?

So just because this is a swingers site we cant talk about voting Yes or No? Another narrow _iew.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If the damning news in today Sunday Herald is not enough to convince some that the UK government is complicit in propagating scare stores and orchestrating lies to us through the media then I don't know what will.

Make your own mind up, take responsibility and sit with yourself for your choices.

Of course we don't know what will happen should we gain independent Scotland but we certainly will know what will happen should we stay.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Of course we don't know what will happen should we gain independent Scotland but we certainly will know what will happen should we stay."

What will happen if we stay then?

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By *eatherWoman over a year ago

glasgow

Go into Glasgow city centre soak up the Pre referendum aymospher have a wee debate and on friday we will have the right vote which is everyones choice to decide what to do

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Everyday there is a different scare story/tactic it's getting farcical now

It just pushes me more and makes me more determined that Iv made the correct decision in making a yes vote !!!

Will always be scottish first British second!!

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By *eatherWoman over a year ago

glasgow

meant atmosphere

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Of course we don't know what will happen should we gain independent Scotland but we certainly will know what will happen should we stay.

What will happen if we stay then?"

Remember Margaret thatcher and what she did for Scotland and privatising everything

And we are in danger of a Tory / UKIP joint government in the nxt general election not for me no thank you

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Everyday there is a different scare story/tactic it's getting farcical now

It just pushes me more and makes me more determined that Iv made the correct decision in making a yes vote !!!

Will always be scottish first British second!!"

So your saying that there are no scare stories from the SNP then? Phew am glad your not narrow minded at all.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Of course we don't know what will happen should we gain independent Scotland but we certainly will know what will happen should we stay.

What will happen if we stay then?

Remember Margaret thatcher and what she did for Scotland and privatising everything

And we are in danger of a Tory / UKIP joint government in the nxt general election not for me no thank you

Remember people in Scotland voted for UKIP and they have a MEP, why did they not vote for the SNP?

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By *andemanMan over a year ago

bedforshire

""Pride", "Honour","Fairness", "Justice", are all fine words.

However they don't put food on the table, pay the bills and clothe you.

I read a diatribe by a Yes voter today that put all the blames for "failure" on the Westminister parliament.

One line being - "1 in 3 people in council estates in the West of Scotland leave school without a single qualification."

That's NOT a failure of government, that's a lack of pride in yourself and a drive to better yourself. The "government" can't take your exams for you.

Or the rubbish about being "subjugated", "a colony". Show me where the yoke of english oppression lies on my shoulders?

Fairness - £16.25 million pa, on an empty ayrshire airfield.

£0.5 million for all the food banks in Scotland.

Don't swallow the land of milk and honey idea being peddled, there will be pain, it will take time, and people will suffer because of it.

I also care more about fairness and equality than I do about money. But money does put food on the table of the poor and books in their hands to learn. It also helps to provide the opportunities to build a life that enriches the soul and is worth the greatest treasure of all life itself.

Every Child matters and it is not right to suggest that those who suffer now as a result of separation are expendable. Vote no.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Of course we don't know what will happen should we gain independent Scotland but we certainly will know what will happen should we stay.

What will happen if we stay then?"

Guaranteed as follows;

25 Billion NHS cuts

Welfare budget slashed

Interest rate rise

Referendum of EU membership

Nothing solid on more devolved power

10% increase on MP wages

Dis-investment in green energy

Abolition of working tax credit

All already in the pipelines UK wide.

If we go, we cannot be certain but of one thing, we can no longer blame anyone but ourselves for anything that happens. We will be solely responsible, Im up for taking responsibility, are you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Of course we don't know what will happen should we gain independent Scotland but we certainly will know what will happen should we stay.

What will happen if we stay then?

Guaranteed as follows;

25 Billion NHS cuts

Welfare budget slashed

Interest rate rise

Referendum of EU membership

Nothing solid on more devolved power

10% increase on MP wages

Dis-investment in green energy

Abolition of working tax credit

All already in the pipelines UK wide.

If we go, we cannot be certain but of one thing, we can no longer blame anyone but ourselves for anything that happens. We will be solely responsible, Im up for taking responsibility, are you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Instead of asking what and why and convince me, something you stole and regurgitated parrot fashion from other no supporters, what's your mind needing to.convince it of the need to vote yes?

What exactly do.you want? You spew out all this stuff and rhetoric that has no substance nor validity which is there for all to see.

How about this.

I guarantee that if you vote yes you will have to.take it on the chin and graft with the rest of us to make it work. No matter what. You up for it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyday there is a different scare story/tactic it's getting farcical now

It just pushes me more and makes me more determined that Iv made the correct decision in making a yes vote !!!

Will always be scottish first British second!!

So your saying that there are no scare stories from the SNP then? Phew am glad your not narrow minded at all."

Fighting amongst ourselves isn't the answer either

And I did say there was scare stories everyday didn't say which camp they were coming from????

Iv made my informed and adult decision

2/3 of my family are English so no hatred there it's about taking charge of our own destiny and decisions like any adult has to

I'm not scared and scotland is an intelligent mature country it will make the right decisions on the day I'm positive of it

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By *mudg3rMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it . "

You seem to have started something. Lol

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Guaranteed as follows;

25 Billion NHS cuts

+ How much is that in Scotland how will we pay for Scottish NHS

Welfare budget slashed

+ How mus is for Scotland and how will we pay for it.

Interest rate rise

+ Who will set the interest rates in Scotland? We will not have a central bank so where do we get the interest rate? Remember Plan A is not to have our own currency.

Referendum of EU membership

+ At least they will be members of the EU. Scotland will NOT be a member of the EU and have to apply for Eu membership.

Nothing solid on more devolved power

+ Its been stated that they will give the devolved powers and put the changes into law so if thats not solid enough for you. Also more devolved powers come into force soon.

10% increase on MP wages

+But MSP agreed to cap their pay rises across all parties.

Dis-investment in green energy

+The biggest con going. I all these windfarms and my bills are not going down. How much more needs to be invested.

Abolition of working tax credit

+Again part of the re_iew of all taxs. I would say that we need a higher minimum wage and have a living wage.

All already in the pipelines UK wide.

If we go, we cannot be certain but of one thing, we can no longer blame anyone but ourselves for anything that happens. We will be solely responsible, Im up for taking responsibility, are you?

+So if we go how do we pay for all these things? Oh our oil? Our tax receipts?

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Instead of asking what and why and convince me, something you stole and regurgitated parrot fashion from other no supporters, what's your mind needing to.convince it of the need to vote yes?

What exactly do.you want? You spew out all this stuff and rhetoric that has no substance nor validity which is there for all to see.

How about this.

I guarantee that if you vote yes you will have to.take it on the chin and graft with the rest of us to make it work. No matter what. You up for it?"

Spew out? Stole from No supporters you really do take the mick dont you. No substance or vadility? Oh ok then, the facts dont count do they but you want to take a blind leap of faith. Good on you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Oh another referendum thread. . . .well that's something we've not had for about 20 minutes

Why bother reading and commenting then?

Jasmine

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My faith is not blind, my faith is in you, my faith is that.

Come September 19th that you and I will stand together in an independent Scotland and we together, despite what has been said or done before, will work hard to make this a better world.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Oh another referendum thread. . . .well that's something we've not had for about 20 minutes

Why bother reading and commenting then?

Jasmine "

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"My faith is not blind, my faith is in you, my faith is that.

Come September 19th that you and I will stand together in an independent Scotland and we together, despite what has been said or done before, will work hard to make this a better world."

That said on the 19th of September if its a NO vote which I hope it is that everyone will stand together.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I will, the whole premise is that we accept what happens and get on with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Right, noo, away find a burd to take out all your frustration

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh another referendum thread. . . .well that's something we've not had for about 20 minutes

Why bother reading and commenting then?

Jasmine

The future of Scotland not worth talking about ??

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Just a quick one on the 10percent pay rise for MPs. It was not the MP that put that rise thru, if you read the article the MPs dont want it

When the proposal was first announced last year it provoked widespread public anger. The leaders of all three main parties condemned the pay rise as “wholly inappropriate” and “incomprehensible” at a time when public-sector workers’ pay increases had been capped at 1 per cent.

The Prime Minister threatened to abolish Ipsa entirely if it did not “think again”, saying that the rise was “wrong”'

The man in charge of IPSA

He added: “Parliament has created an independent body to set MPs’ pay. We have gone through the process in a really rigorous way. It is not an arbitrary figure.

“Obviously, it is for Parliament to decide whether they want to take back responsibility for setting their own pay. I don’t believe that’s right.”

So lets make sure folk have the facts. The independant body is the one that has set this amount and the MP disagree with them. Your posting does not make it clear apart from they are getting a 10 percent increase but did not state who made that suggestion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes voter !

Come on please convince me to Vote Yes, give me sound reasons why I should change my mind and also why other No voters on here should change their mind?

why should someone om a swingers site have to convince u to vote whatever surely u are grown up enough to make your own mind up who u are voting for ?

So just because this is a swingers site we cant talk about voting Yes or No? Another narrow _iew."

why dont you.grow up be an adult and make your own choice,instead of asking ppl to convince u which way to vote .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it .

You seem to have started something. Lol"

Oh dear I think I did. I don't see what's wrong with actually thinking Scottish people have the courage and know how to run Scotland. It's not out off hatred for anyone. Jasmine

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

only one thing for sure, it is going to get nastier...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes voter !

Come on please convince me to Vote Yes, give me sound reasons why I should change my mind and also why other No voters on here should change their mind?

why should someone om a swingers site have to convince u to vote whatever surely u are grown up enough to make your own mind up who u are voting for ?

So just because this is a swingers site we cant talk about voting Yes or No? Another narrow _iew.

why dont you.grow up be an adult and make your own choice,instead of asking ppl to convince u which way to vote ."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

if Scotland runs scared if being a self determining country on the 19th , then the next campaign to win freedom should start on the 20th

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Yes voter !

Come on please convince me to Vote Yes, give me sound reasons why I should change my mind and also why other No voters on here should change their mind?

why should someone om a swingers site have to convince u to vote whatever surely u are grown up enough to make your own mind up who u are voting for ?

So just because this is a swingers site we cant talk about voting Yes or No? Another narrow _iew.

why dont you.grow up be an adult and make your own choice,instead of asking ppl to convince u which way to vote ."

In that case can you tell all the YES and NO people to stop putting leaflets thru the door, appearing on tv, being out on the streets as its obvioius from your comment that no one should be convinced of anything.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Vote yes if you want to take a massive risk - there's no going back

It's far to big a question for a simple yes or no vote.

If it's a yes, it should be a staged transition with opt outs

For me it's a no, but yes for devo max, see how it works out and if it's working take vote again.

What we have to remember is we're a very small country and if we'd been independent when the crash happened, any money you had in the bank, especially RBS would be gone and no gaurnteed safety net either

So for me, more powers and control over how our tax's are spent, absolutely yes, independence absolutely not

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Vote yes if you want to take a massive risk - there's no going back

It's far to big a question for a simple yes or no vote.

If it's a yes, it should be a staged transition with opt outs

For me it's a no, but yes for devo max, see how it works out and if it's working take vote again.

So for me, more powers and control over how our tax's are spent, absolutely yes, independence absolutely not"

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"Yes voter !

Come on please convince me to Vote Yes, give me sound reasons why I should change my mind and also why other No voters on here should change their mind?

why should someone om a swingers site have to convince u to vote whatever surely u are grown up enough to make your own mind up who u are voting for ?

So just because this is a swingers site we cant talk about voting Yes or No? Another narrow _iew.

why dont you.grow up be an adult and make your own choice,instead of asking ppl to convince u which way to vote .

The people putting the leaflets through your door, appearing on tv, being out on the streets are members of the YES and NO campaigns - that's why they are doing it.

Your asking people on a swinging site to convince you when they are not members of either campaign - there lies the difference!

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By *anarkshirelassCouple over a year ago

lanarkshire

NO....NO...and just in case someone misinterprets my answer...

NO....

The Republic of Scotland....No thank you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Republic of Scotland ? has a nice sound to it , free and self determining and no english royal family to have to pay for , whats not to like

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Republic of Scotland ? has a nice sound to it , free and self determining and no english royal family to have to pay for , whats not to like

Oh well you and wee eck will not get on. He wants to keep the Queen as head of state....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We wouldn't be a republic

I think this is the biggest decision in our adult lives we will ever have to make

Never ever thought it would happen in our lifetime but it has an it's our responsibility to take in an digest all the information and _iews that are out there so that we can be sure to make make the right informed decision

It's on our heads ppl be strong like the nation I know we are without doubt make your own minds up we sit a stupid nation .....

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By *ife in furCouple over a year ago

glasgow

No more fear from big business, banks and right wing politicians, no more Tory governments, yes yes yes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i have never met eck nor voted for him , he might want to keep the royal family of england i certainly dont share that ambition

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"No more fear from big business, banks and right wing politicians, no more Tory governments, yes yes yes."

No fear of big business? Sorry your wrong we need big business

Banks - We need them

Right Wing Politicians - Its a democracy we need them, we even need the Greens and Liberals.

Tory Govs - We will still have Tory MSPs and Councilors.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i have never met eck nor voted for him , he might want to keep the royal family of england i certainly dont share that ambition

We did used to have our own royal family our own kings and queens of Scotland lol ... But she's not just the queen of England she is head of the commonwealth we would still be part of it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Personally I'm not voting for wee eck

I'm voting for Scotland ...

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"Yes voter !

Come on please convince me to Vote Yes, give me sound reasons why I should change my mind and also why other No voters on here should change their mind?

why should someone om a swingers site have to convince u to vote whatever surely u are grown up enough to make your own mind up who u are voting for ?

So just because this is a swingers site we cant talk about voting Yes or No? Another narrow _iew.

why dont you.grow up be an adult and make your own choice,instead of asking ppl to convince u which way to vote .

The people putting the leaflets through your door, appearing on tv, being out on the streets are members of the YES and NO campaigns - that's why they are doing it.

Your asking people on a swinging site to convince you when they are not members of either campaign - there lies the difference!

* You're *

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

she is not any queen i voted for, I owe her no allegiance. she is not my Sovereign; she never received my homage; and whilst life is in this body, she never shall receive it.

god knows why folks would want to keep paying for an off the shelf royal family that was shipped over from germany , i hope that they are very happy paying for the house of Saxe Coburg Gothe , or what ever they have changed their name to now ,down south , no need for them in the free country Scotland deserves to be

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

" no need for them in the free country Scotland deserves to be"

Well if the Yes vote goes thru you will still have them so thats the way it is unless you can get Wee Eck to change his mind..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Vote yes if you want to take a massive risk - there's no going back

It's far to big a question for a simple yes or no vote.

If it's a yes, it should be a staged transition with opt outs

For me it's a no, but yes for devo max, see how it works out and if it's working take vote again.

So for me, more powers and control over how our tax's are spent, absolutely yes, independence absolutely not"

you took the words right out of my mouth!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still a yes yes yes yes yes yes from me!!!

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By *ife in furCouple over a year ago

glasgow

We need a fairer society not dictated by big business, what we need is an end to zero hour contracts, low pay, and food banks, do not want another Tory government in 2016 with ukip coalition and that is what we will get. Been better together for my lifetime and have seen my community ravaged by cuts, unemployment and despair. Not snp here but want a fairer society for my children. Yes yes

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"We need a fairer society not dictated by big business, what we need is an end to zero hour contracts, low pay, and food banks, do not want another Tory government in 2016 with ukip coalition and that is what we will get. Been better together for my lifetime and have seen my community ravaged by cuts, unemployment and despair. Not snp here but want a fairer society for my children. Yes yes"

1. We have always had food banks. Even good old Norway that SNP shout about has food banks.

2. Cuts we cant keep on spending money on services, something has to give.

3. Unemployment. How are the SNP going to get all these new jobs when we are going to loose 1000s of jobs if there is a yes vote

4. Big business. We need big business. We already have it them here, Stagecoach for starters.

5. Zero hours contracts. I doubt if SNP will get rid of them it will cost business way too much money.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

I must add that I am enjoying this civilised debate with _iews from both sides. A good mixture of yes and no.

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

Glasgow ish

Sigh.

"Ppl" like me? With a great grandfather, leather worker, who fought and survived the 1st world war, then was in George Square in 1919. A grandfather who was a brass founder who came from the Calton.

What did they teach me - you get nothing for nothing in this life and you have to stand on your own two feet.

Is your idea of throwing "ppl" like me on the scrapheap and having "the foodbank" as the measure of equality and fairness?

It was nice to see "Mr Reckoning" giving his inter_iew out side his £1 million pound mansion yesterday.

Or how do you feel about Mr Salmond with his multiple pensions and £54k in fripperies, are you happy to pay for his £250 tartan troo's?

They are all at it.. Snouts in the trough.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Does anybody think wee Eck looks like Mr Potato Head

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Does anybody think wee Eck looks like Mr Potato Head"

Hmmm no. But Nics Stur is on SKY news just now...all dolled up but wearing trousers....sitting on a chair...if she showed some leg and boobs she might sway me for a few seconds lol

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By *ife in furCouple over a year ago

glasgow

Not going to be snp in Scotland, after yes vote we will have elections to decide our own government. If you think we live in a fair society under west minister rule with labour acting like red Tories, with people like murphyReid, milliband and now Tory Blair getting on in the act. They are running scared of the Scottish people who are saying we have had enough of your neo liberal politics. Do not want to rely on Middle England for me to get a better life. Communities in Scotland are saying we have had enough so we are voting yes. They are running scared, never felt so positive for change. Yes

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

But the Scottish people are not saying that, its not a majority of the Scottish people. People keep on saying the Scottish People, you dont speak for me, I am from Scotland and I dont want to be included in your Scottish People.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Oh! Nicy has came out and said she does not agree with Stillers comments about day of reckoning....a split in the SNP already...told you it was a bad move for them to bring him back in, for whatever reason they did.

Well said Nicy....

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

Whether it is a couple of people from Scotland or 3 million people from Scotland - They are still Scottish People

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By *ola cubesMan over a year ago

coatbridge

"Not going to be snp in Scotland, after yes vote we will have elections to decide our own government. If you think we live in a fair society under west minister rule with labour acting like red Tories, with people like murphyReid, milliband and now Tory Blair getting on in the act. They are running scared of the Scottish people who are saying we have had enough of your neo liberal politics. Do not want to rely on Middle England for me to get a better life. Communities in Scotland are saying we have had enough so we are voting yes. They are running scared, never felt so positive for change. Yes"
the issue isnt red labour or tories this or that its can scotland be independant one thing you can rely on independant or not political partys will promise you the world fill their pockets and run away im voting on what I believe is best for the country and not because I dont like labour tories english salmond or feekin outer gebrovians

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By *ola cubesMan over a year ago

coatbridge

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

Glasgow ish

Sorry to rain on the parade, but it will be an SNP government until

5 May 2016

Which is the next date for the Scottish government elections.

Mr Salmond has already stated that he will complete his full term.

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By *owayjose8Man over a year ago

dundee

It's a big yes in this household 4 of us if for no other reason than to get rid of nuclear weapons let the target be hundreds of miles down the coast and we will take our chance on the fall out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Its got to be a defo "YES"

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By *andemanMan over a year ago

bedforshire

"Been reading all nasty comments and bitching on here.

I'm voting YES because I believe we can have a brighter future. That's it .

You seem to have started something. Lol

Oh dear I think I did. I don't see what's wrong with actually thinking Scottish people have the courage and know how to run Scotland. It's not out off hatred for anyone. Jasmine"

I agree with you on this. Scotland can run itself and in the end prosper. The question is is this the right way to go about it? I frankly think not.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

What nasty comments are you on about? Please can you point them out.

Well the whole better together campaign has been negative.

Big business will immediately leave Scotland, your weekly shopping will suddenly cost a fortune, your mobile phone bill will increase greatly. Oh and the latest is we are going to be like 1930 America and the Great Depression. I mean come on it's pretty laughable.

Oh and the three main party leaders have a few days out in Scotland telling us what we should do.

On other forums there's comments that England and the rest of the union subsides us???

Why are they so keen to keep us then?

And on the nuclear deterrent I think it would be better on the Thames.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

What nasty comments are you on about? Please can you point them out.

Well the whole better together campaign has been negative.

Oh and the three main party leaders have a few days out in Scotland telling us what we should do.

On other forums there's comments that England and the rest of the union subsides us???

Why are they so keen to keep us then?

And on the nuclear deterrent I think it would be better on the Thames.

those are nasty

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

No probably not more laughable lol

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

"No probably not more laughable lol "

they work for me

it's a NO

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By *andemanMan over a year ago

bedforshire

"Vote yes if you want to take a massive risk - there's no going back

It's far to big a question for a simple yes or no vote.

If it's a yes, it should be a staged transition with opt outs

For me it's a no, but yes for devo max, see how it works out and if it's working take vote again.

So for me, more powers and control over how our tax's are spent, absolutely yes, independence absolutely not"

Now that sounds like a sensible and workable plan.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Think we have definitely found out, that through this process that Scotland is not as patriotic a nation as we claim to be.

The strange argument that yes I'm proud of Scotland and proud to be Scottish but I don't think we're capable of running Scotland ourselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Think we have definitely found out, that through this process that Scotland is not as patriotic a nation as we claim to be.

The strange argument that yes I'm proud of Scotland and proud to be Scottish but I don't think we're capable of running Scotland ourselves."

have to disagree with you, i dont _iew that as any measure of patriotism.

I see it more as a reflection of the pessimistic side of Scottish characteristics , to quote the late great John Laurie "we're all doomed"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You could be right there with the pessimistic side.

"We are all doomed" that could be a better together slogan.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not about patriotism - it's one thing voting with your heart - that only works in films

This is one for the head.

Way I see it, I'm Scottish first, British second & I don't want to give up either.

If nothing else comes out of this other than wrestling of power out of Westminster to all UK regions then it'll be a huge success

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

But partof the Edinburgh agreement was that there was to be no "devo max". It was yes or no.

Curious that this more power offer has appeared when panic is/was setting in.

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By *unknSoulCouple over a year ago

dumfries-ish

We have not got the balls to say yes( including me) so we stick to the same old same old what we know all safe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have found a webpage which might be useful to anyone wondering what happens once the polling booths close.

If interested search for tim johns dot org

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By *andACouple over a year ago

glasgow

Well the whole better together campaign has been negative.

Those claims have come from the businesses involved (and a foreign bank). None of them are part of the Better Together campaign.

It's not a case of the Better Together campaign making up these claims. They are rightly pointing out what these companies are saying.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well if you take the RBS statements and how there going to leave. Let's not forget the majority share holder is the U.K. Treasury.

I think it's fair to say there not impartial on this subject.

With regards to the deutsche bank comments, Iain Blackford who previously ran deutsche bank in Scotland and the Netherlands described the comments as disingenuous and preposterous.

As did Edward McDowell who was a former risk manger for Lloyds banking group.

But these people don't get the same platform to be heard or press coverage.

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

Glasgow ish

"Well if you take the RBS statements and how there going to leave. Let's not forget the majority share holder is the U.K. Treasury.

I think it's fair to say there not impartial on this subject.

With regards to the deutsche bank comments, Iain Blackford who previously ran deutsche bank in Scotland and the Netherlands described the comments as disingenuous and preposterous.

As did Edward McDowell who was a former risk manger for Lloyds banking group.

But these people don't get the same platform to be heard or press coverage."

Is that Ian Blackford, sacked SNP treasurer?

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By *andACouple over a year ago

glasgow

"Well if you take the RBS statements and how there going to leave. Let's not forget the majority share holder is the U.K. Treasury.

I think it's fair to say there not impartial on this subject.

With regards to the deutsche bank comments, Iain Blackford who previously ran deutsche bank in Scotland and the Netherlands described the comments as disingenuous and preposterous.

As did Edward McDowell who was a former risk manger for Lloyds banking group.

But these people don't get the same platform to be heard or press coverage."

Is that the same Ian Blackford who's part of the 'Business for Scotland' campaign? Not sure if he's still an SNP member but he was previously their treasurer and has claimed that he was labelled a 'fundamentalist' by other members. Hardly an impartial opinion. I'm assuming he's made up with Salmond after the SNP's no confidence vote in him back in the day...

The information from Deutsche bank was advice intended for their clients and had nothing to do with either side in the campaign so it was completely independent.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Also the head of Aberdeen asset management Martin Gilbert, has said that Scotland would prosper either with a yes or no. But I guess that's not what the no campaign wants to people to hear.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Which ever way the vote goes it will be interesting to see how the different regions of Scotland vote.

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By *andACouple over a year ago

glasgow

"Also the head of Aberdeen asset management Martin Gilbert, has said that Scotland would prosper either with a yes or no. But I guess that's not what the no campaign wants to people to hear.

You're right, but people want to hear reasons, not platitudes. For example, regarding the Deutsche bank information the reply has basically been 'they're wrong things will be fine...'. It would be better if someone actually addressed the points in their report, for example the section regarding 'Twin deficits and keeping the pound'.

Also, you are making the assumption that everyone who posts something that doesn't agree with the Yes campaign is part of the No campaign. I've just shown that isn't the case. This is an independent bank advising their investors.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

"Also the head of Aberdeen asset management Martin Gilbert, has said that Scotland would prosper either with a yes or no. But I guess that's not what the no campaign wants to people to hear.

and it is still a NO

and Brian Souter says Yes....

and it is still a No

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I understand that, but also it has to be said that the banking system caused the current financial state we are in so it's some how ironic that we are willing to trust there word with out reservation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

dont worry , if the hell no brigade keep Scotland shackled to the will of westminster this time round then we try try try again til Scotland no longer dances to westminsters tune

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

and it is still a NO

and Brian Souter says Yes....

and it is still a No

That's the great thing about democracy different opinions and you get the government the majority of people vote for, unless it's a UK general election and you live in Scotland.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

and it is still a NO

and Brian Souter says Yes....

and it is still a No

That's the great thing about democracy different opinions."

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By *erfume-LoverMan over a year ago

Lothian area

Can't wait till Boris is PM

That will sort out the yes nomads

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

when posh davie and his chum cleggie the cardboard cut out are replaced by the bold farage and mad bad boris i wonder how delighted the hell no brigade will be then having those 2 fine fellows making Scotlands decisions for us ? the sad thing is they will probably be very delighted , just so long as Scotland doesnt get to govern itself they dont really care who does

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Or John Prescott who thinks we should have a joint football team so we can beat the Germans.

He then suggested Labour voters were not clever enough to understand the arguments about independence.

Slightly Condescending I would say.

Not seen him on TV lately right enough

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By *andACouple over a year ago

glasgow

"I understand that, but also it has to be said that the banking system caused the current financial state we are in so it's some how ironic that we are willing to trust there word with out reservation. "

Again, this isn't addressing the actual points the bank have made. The points they have made are published online so easy to find and comment on. If there is something you disagree with in their analysis then great we can discuss that. But no one seems to be doing that and your respnse above doesn't either.

Basically you are saying we can ignore what the banks have to say due to previous mistakes etc but I'm pretty certain that wouldn't be the case if their advice had suited the Yes side. That's why to avoid bias we discuss the points made rather than just go for an ad hominem.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i saw shagger prescot when he came to edinburgh for armed forces day a few years back , a guy stood next to me shouted to him if he got to do a bit more shagging now he is a house of lords chappie lol he didnt see the funny side , had a face like a slapped arse

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well I disagree that we will end up like 1930s American and the Great Depression. Where there is money to be made, banks and large companies will be there for there share, that's for sure.

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

Glasgow ish

From the Scotsman

WeareScotsnotBrits

We know how France felt under Hitler

We know how Jamacia felt under Ingerlish colonial rule

We know how Estonia felt under Gorbachov and Karpov

We know how Turks felt under Ottomam empire

We know how the Iraqis felt under Nasser Hussein

We know how WE feel under this Westminster rule!

jetztnleckerbierchenisdochfreitag79

Maybe no voters are ashamed just like the collabotators in france and norway in the 40s? They are serving a foreign power to rule their country and rule their people/neighbours. I would hide too. Quisling is nothing to be proud of. I have an understanding for these people(money and being on the winners side for some time)but they are not the shiny knight in this story. Bought and sold for english gold.

Nasty, just nasty.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Interest rate rise

okay... need to inject here is this is one of the reasons you are going to vote "YES"......

a) they are only 0.5% now..... just how much lower would you like it to go... of course it is only going to go one way!!!!.....

b) as someone else has said... if you are going to use someone else currency.. you will have no control of interest rates anyway!!!!

c) Ecomonic interest rate lesson time....0.5% is historically low anyway!!!! in most ecomonies functioning normally.. you would like the same incentive to both save and spend... most ecomonists think that level is somewhere between 2 and 2.5% (thats why when inflation is over 2.5% the govenor of the BOE has to write a letter explaining why this is)

in times of recession/depression the interest rate is lower as a disentive to save and incentive to spend to get economies going again......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm voting Yes, any votes on Scotland in the UK parliament are taken with England's interest being taken first.

We continue to subsidise the rest of the UK on a constant basis and are always told that we get more than it fair share.

We only actually get a government we vote for every 5 out of fifteen years, even then they do not represent our best interests.

About time we took our future in our own hands forget all these lame excuses that keep getting trundled forward and be masters of our own destiny.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

are you voting yes in this much underplayed referendum of ours _abio ?

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Think we have definitely found out, that through this process that Scotland is not as patriotic a nation as we claim to be.

The strange argument that yes I'm proud of Scotland and proud to be Scottish but I don't think we're capable of running Scotland ourselves."

Hold on, I am Patriotic, just because I will vote NO does not mean I am a patriotic. It is totally disgusting that you even suggest that if you dont vote Yes your not a Patriot. Pathetic.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"But partof the Edinburgh agreement was that there was to be no "devo max". It was yes or no.

Curious that this more power offer has appeared when panic is/was setting in."

Yes that is right there is no devo max on the vote. There are other changes comging into play shortly which will give the Scottish Gov more powers. This process is on going.

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By *wiftieeMan over a year ago

near Glasgow

" We know how Jamacia felt under Ingerlish colonial rule "

Excuse me, if you're going to argue, at least get your facts right!

It was the BRITISH Empire. And there were plenty Scots who did all right out of the colonies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

if a person votes to keep a foreign power in charge of the country can that constitute as patriotism ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Scotland never voted as a free and independant country to occupy Jamaica and populate it with slaves england decided that in a place called london , bugger all to to with Scotland

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I didn't say if you vote no your not patriotic. I think it's fair to say that this debate shows how divided Scotland is.

Some people are more proud of holding onto there Britishness than others I guess.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Also the head of Aberdeen asset management Martin Gilbert, has said that Scotland would prosper either with a yes or no. But I guess that's not what the no campaign wants to people to hear.

the interesting part though is that Gilbert and Souter as both at pains to re-iterate that they are speaking as individuals and not on behalf of their business's... which makes me wonder...

where do you think their monies for their business's will end up if there is a yes vote.... north or south of the border......

I'm guessing south.... (you can see the "in the best interests of their shareholders" arguement coming from a mile away)

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

and it is still a NO

and Brian Souter says Yes....

and it is still a No

That's the great thing about democracy different opinions and you get the government the majority of people vote for, unless it's a UK general election and you live in Scotland."

Not true at all. I voted Labour during the UK General election on for the UK Gov, they did not get in. Simple as that. If you wanted the SNP to win the UK General Election then they should have put candidates up across the UK.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Or John Prescott who thinks we should have a joint football team so we can beat the Germans.

He then suggested Labour voters were not clever enough to understand the arguments about independence.

Slightly Condescending I would say.

Not seen him on TV lately right enough

Whats wrong with a joint football team? There was a GB Football team for the Olympics. As for JP he was on tv the other day.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Also the head of Aberdeen asset management Martin Gilbert, has said that Scotland would prosper either with a yes or no. But I guess that's not what the no campaign wants to people to hear.

the interesting part though is that Gilbert and Souter as both at pains to re-iterate that they are speaking as individuals and not on behalf of their business's... which makes me wonder...

where do you think their monies for their business's will end up if there is a yes vote.... north or south of the border......

I'm guessing south.... (you can see the "in the best interests of their shareholders" arguement coming from a mile away)

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

So the conservatives and liberal democrats are in power in Westminster, there was no huge support for either in Scotland surely that's not right.

Thatcher governments we we're saddled with we're not popular in Scotland. But that's what we got.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Personally I think we're damned if we do and damned if we Don't,I honestly can't wait til its over with,its dragged on for so long now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

the sad truth is that a large portion of the population here in Scotland ( some even claiming to be Scots )are so damm desperate for london to make our decisions for us , if they want ruled from london mabye a move south of the border would make them very happy chappies indeed

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Whats wrong with a joint football team? There was a GB Football team for the Olympics. As for JP he was on tv the other day. "

Well other labour pro no campaigners described him as a "fu**** moron" so they obviously didn't agree.

I'm not suggesting that football is a reason to vote either way obviously, but it's an odd comment to say the least.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Interest rate rise

okay... need to inject here is this is one of the reasons you are going to vote "YES"......

a) they are only 0.5% now..... just how much lower would you like it to go... of course it is only going to go one way!!!!.....

b) as someone else has said... if you are going to use someone else currency.. you will have no control of interest rates anyway!!!!

in times of recession/depression the interest rate is lower as a disentive to save and incentive to spend to get economies going again......"

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"if a person votes to keep a foreign power in charge of the country can that constitute as patriotism ?"

What foreign power are you on about? Are you trying to twist things to suit yourself? It seems that way.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"are you voting yes in this much underplayed referendum of ours _abio ?

your decision in scotland will effect us in north east england.... I think that is something you seem to forget a lot in the "me first" attitudes......

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Also the head of Aberdeen asset management Martin Gilbert, has said that Scotland would prosper either with a yes or no. But I guess that's not what the no campaign wants to people to hear.

the interesting part though is that Gilbert and Souter as both at pains to re-iterate that they are speaking as individuals and not on behalf of their business's... which makes me wonder...

where do you think their monies for their business's will end up if there is a yes vote.... north or south of the border......

I'm guessing south.... (you can see the "in the best interests of their shareholders" arguement coming from a mile away)

Martin Gilbert was filmed and inter_iewed outside his London office.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"dont worry , if the hell no brigade keep Scotland shackled to the will of westminster this time round then we try try try again til Scotland no longer dances to westminsters tune

"Scotland's First Minister has said the independence vote is a "once in a generation" opportunity as he pledged not to bring back another referendum if Scots choose to remain in the UK."

The Herald.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

come north , apply for citezenship , a free Scotland will be free from the buffoons in the south of your country , and with your vote you can have a direct influence on how Scotland affects your life

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Scotland never voted as a free and independant country to occupy Jamaica and populate it with slaves england decided that in a place called london , bugger all to to with Scotland"

Do you know what part Scotland played in the slave trade in general? If not I suggest you have a look around and find out the truth.

Here is some info to help you along

" Earl Moxam, Senior Gleaner Writer

There is a great stirring of painful memories in Scotland today and Jamaica is at the heart of the reawakening.

Many of today's Scots are for the first time being made aware of the role their forebears played in the enslavement of thousands of Africans and in the operation of sugar plantations using slave labour in the West Indies. This, in turn, served to enrich and transform their country.

One of the main instigators of this reawakening is Jamaican Professor, Geoff Palmer - a grain scientist who has spent the last two years away from his usual scientific pursuits in Edinburgh in order to reconstruct the historical links between the two countries during the era of slavery.

In his book, The Enlightenment Abolished, Professor Palmer highlights the part Scotland played in Jamaica's slavery-driven economy and details the largely forgotten activities of Scottish men of great distinction in perpetuating the evil system.

It was, he claims, a period in which the Scottish economy grew from being one of the weakest in Europe to becoming one of the most powerful. All over Glasgow and Edinburgh there are monuments and edifices to honour these participants in Jamaica's slave economy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Yes he was, big businesses tend have offices all over the world he could equally been out side the New York office.

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By *wiftieeMan over a year ago

near Glasgow

"the sad truth is that a large portion of the population here in Scotland ( some even claiming to be Scots )are so damm desperate for london to make our decisions for us , if they want ruled from london mabye a move south of the border would make them very happy chappies indeed

Oh yes? And take our taxes with us?

Had to laugh the other night at Denis Canavan on the telly, spouting all the old socialist rubbish. And totally denying the simply logic from John Boyle.

The banks, and any other business which moves it's REGISTERED office south of the border, will pay it's taxes south of the border. How much simpler and plainer could it be?

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Sorry but your showing total ignorance now. So if we dont vote YES we should move out of Scotland. Pathetic.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

" We know how Jamacia felt under Ingerlish colonial rule

Excuse me, if you're going to argue, at least get your facts right!

It was the BRITISH Empire. And there were plenty Scots who did all right out of the colonies.

okay... that one did make me squirm...

............ and someone ought to remind him why there are lots of black people in the carribean with "scottish" sounding surnames.....*cough* slaveowners *cough*

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"come north , apply for citezenship , a free Scotland will be free from the buffoons in the south of your country , and with your vote you can have a direct influence on how Scotland affects your life

Your really dont put your point across at all. You have no FACTS or substance to your input into this debate. You are just spouting off.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

And Burns, that great Scots hero, came very close to going to work in the slave colonies of Jamaica.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

Your really dont put your point across at all. You have no FACTS or substance to your input into this debate. You are just spouting off."

Any doing the Nat case a great disservice in the choice of language and attitude.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"So the conservatives and liberal democrats are in power in Westminster, there was no huge support for either in Scotland surely that's not right.

Thatcher governments we we're saddled with we're not popular in Scotland. But that's what we got."

too right... and the labour government(s) in the middle.... scotland didn't vote for them either...oh.... hang on!!.... shit.... that arguement doesn't work then!

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

" We know how Jamacia felt under Ingerlish colonial rule

Excuse me, if you're going to argue, at least get your facts right!

It was the BRITISH Empire. And there were plenty Scots who did all right out of the colonies.

okay... that one did make me squirm...

............ and someone ought to remind him why there are lots of black people in the carribean with "scottish" sounding surnames.....*cough* slaveowners *cough*

The man does not have a clue about the slave trade and how Glasgow and Liverpool made from it big time. The ignorance of some folk is shameful.

I hope what I posted clears up the fact that Scotland DID play a big part in the Jamacian slave trade but maybe am scaremongering and its big business telling lies about it all...cough splutter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

what prof is there that Scotland will be run any different to what it is now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

its a nice easy solution , after freedom day should some folks in Scotland still have a burning desire to be ruled by a foriegn country , head south . But would england want to accept a collection of people so negitivly minded and opposed to freedom ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

too right... and the labour government(s) in the middle.... scotland didn't vote for them either...oh.... hang on!!.... shit.... that arguement doesn't work then!

So the argument that Scotland doesn't vote for a Tory government but that what we get, doesn't stand up?

Not really democracy even Cameron asked that the Scottish people don't use the referendum to bash the Tories.

So he understands that they don't have the greatest success here in elections.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"its a nice easy solution , after freedom day should some folks in Scotland still have a burning desire to be ruled by a foriegn country , head south . But would england want to accept a collection of people so negitivly minded and opposed to freedom ?

You really cant put forward a case can you.

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By *ola cubesMan over a year ago

coatbridge

Tired of reading your not a true scot if you dont vote yes im voting NO and im as patriotic as the next man or woman I would like a free scotland but now is not the time for it I feel right now independance would be counter productive not because im a con .....libral or even laboir as an aside I have never voted partly to do with job and later as I see no point all partys are basically middle of the road and say what sounds good so lets quit the no voters are unpatriotic nonsense

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Tired of reading your not a true scot if you dont vote yes im voting NO and im as patriotic as the next man or woman I would like a free scotland but now is not the time for it I feel right now independance would be counter productive not because im a con .....libral or even laboir as an aside I have never voted partly to do with job and later as I see no point all partys are basically middle of the road and say what sounds good so lets quit the no voters are unpatriotic

nonsense"

But surely the point is when it's No, you won't get another chance so the moment has gone.

We're all proud scots but are incapable of running our own country? I do find that odd.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

too right... and the labour government(s) in the middle.... scotland didn't vote for them either...oh.... hang on!!.... shit.... that arguement doesn't work then!

So the argument that Scotland doesn't vote for a Tory government but that what we get, doesn't stand up?

Not really democracy even Cameron asked that the Scottish people don't use the referendum to bash the Tories.

So he understands that they don't have the greatest success here in elections."

but only 43% of people who voted in the last scottish election voted SNP.... so therefore 57% of people in scotland didn't get the party they voted for either....

see where this arguement is going.......

what you are saying it that voting only counts when your party wins.... right?

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *aucy3Couple over a year ago

glasgow

I'm voting yes coz I'm proud to be scottish first

I'm voting no coz I'm proud to be Scottish first.

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By *ola cubesMan over a year ago

coatbridge

nonsense

But surely the point is when it's No, you won't get another chance so the moment has gone.

We're all proud scots but are incapable of running our own country? I do find that odd.

"
who said there wont be other times one thing you can take for sure this wont be the last referendum on independance if it dosnt push through this time it will at a ltr time for me its where we are now we aint able to run our own country in time we will be but right now its a no feom me

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Don't think the turn out was 100% tho? So not the whole country voted. But if you don't vote can't complain.

Would like to see figures over the years from general elections. Where conservatives have been elected.

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman over a year ago

Glenrothes

Although I will be voting yes, the only thing I will say at this stage is, VOTE!!!! It doesn't matter what you vote, so long as you do. This is the people's opportunity to have their say.

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By *MD47Man over a year ago

Glasgow

too right... and the labour government(s) in the middle.... scotland didn't vote for them either...oh.... hang on!!.... shit.... that arguement doesn't work then!

So the argument that Scotland doesn't vote for a Tory government but that what we get, doesn't stand up?

Not really democracy even Cameron asked that the Scottish people don't use the referendum to bash the Tories.

So he understands that they don't have the greatest success here in elections."

The Tories had over 10m votes with labour on 8.5M. LibDem got 6.8m The total amount of votes was 29m. To say teh people of England got the Gov they wanted is not toally true and the only way the Tories got in was the with the help of the LibDems.

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