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"Oh dear. Here we go again. Misunderstanding how the world works. So you can be independent if you share the pound. What currency does the Isle of Man use? Is the Isle of Man in the uk? France and Ireland share currency - are they independent? The only country that is "truly independent" in the world today is North Korea. We will be using the pound post independence. If you don't know that by now, I'm sorry, but you really need to pay more attention. " Been here with you before and had enough of selective quotes and blinkered one eyed nonsense, continue with your delusions without me | |||
"Oh dear. Here we go again. Misunderstanding how the world works. So you can be independent if you share the pound. What currency does the Isle of Man use? Is the Isle of Man in the uk? France and Ireland share currency - are they independent? The only country that is "truly independent" in the world today is North Korea. We will be using the pound post independence. If you don't know that by now, I'm sorry, but you really need to pay more attention. Been here with you before and had enough of selective quotes and blinkered one eyed nonsense, continue with your delusions without me" Roughly translates as "I simply cannot argue against that logical point you just raised so I'll skim past it, imply you are a fanatic, and hope no one notices." The tide is turning in Scotland. The people are either not bothered about what the currency will be, they just want democracy and self government, or they can see through this currency crap and see it for what it is. The fact this is all the no camp seem to have these days tells you all you need to know about their 'positive case for the union.' | |||
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The people of Scotland are intelligent human beings who will vote how they see fit.
Ramming rubbish down their throats isn't very helpful. 
We ALL know how you will be voting.
But leave us to make our OWN minds up please  | |||
"Oh god. Not again. Will you ever give up?
The people of Scotland are intelligent human beings who will vote how they see fit.
Ramming rubbish down their throats isn't very helpful.
We ALL know how you will be voting.
But leave us to make our OWN minds up please "Who exactly are it talking to here? The thread is title is quite clear. If you don't want to debate, go to another thread. Debating this issue is crucial. There are plenty of other threads for you. | |||
"Oh god. Not again. Will you ever give up?
The people of Scotland are intelligent human beings who will vote how they see fit.
Ramming rubbish down their throats isn't very helpful.
We ALL know how you will be voting.
But leave us to make our OWN minds up please
Who exactly are it talking to here? The thread is title is quite clear. If you don't want to debate, go to another thread.
Debating this issue is crucial. There are plenty of other threads for you. "Debate - yes Ramming your own beliefs down other people's throats - not so good. But stop spitting out the same old rubbish - next it will be how people make you sick by wanting to vote No or even better than that, we will start bashing the English again like we did earlier in the week. MY own personal view that the people of Scotland are intelligent enough to make their own minds up is JUST as valid as anyone else's opinion. But then I suppose it's not very popular to say that as it actually backs democracy and not one of the 'sides' in this referendum | |||
"This is it, the chance for Alex Salmond to clear up the currency issue, he does that? Thousands of undecideds will probably then decide,,,will he though? "In answer to you OP - no he won't clear this up because he doesn't have a Plan B. If he did, he would tell us what it is | |||
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"Oh god. Not again. Will you ever give up?
The people of Scotland are intelligent human beings who will vote how they see fit.
Ramming rubbish down their throats isn't very helpful.
We ALL know how you will be voting.
But leave us to make our OWN minds up please
Who exactly are it talking to here? The thread is title is quite clear. If you don't want to debate, go to another thread.
Debating this issue is crucial. There are plenty of other threads for you.
Debate - yes
Ramming your own beliefs down other people's throats - not so good.
But stop spitting out the same old rubbish - next it will be how people make you sick by wanting to vote No or even better than that, we will start bashing the English again like we did earlier in the week.
MY own personal view that the people of Scotland are intelligent enough to make their own minds up is JUST as valid as anyone else's opinion.
But then I suppose it's not very popular to say that as it actually backs democracy and not one of the 'sides' in this referendum "I wasn't debating this issue earlier in the week. You've mixed me up with someone else. Your subsequent post about plan B shows that you have fundamentally misunderstood the currency issue. What I mean is, if you don't know what plan B is, or if you think there isn't one, then the most important part of the currency issue has passed you by. | |||
"Oh god. Not again. Will you ever give up?
The people of Scotland are intelligent human beings who will vote how they see fit.
Ramming rubbish down their throats isn't very helpful.
We ALL know how you will be voting.
But leave us to make our OWN minds up please
Who exactly are it talking to here? The thread is title is quite clear. If you don't want to debate, go to another thread.
Debating this issue is crucial. There are plenty of other threads for you.
Debate - yes
Ramming your own beliefs down other people's throats - not so good.
But stop spitting out the same old rubbish - next it will be how people make you sick by wanting to vote No or even better than that, we will start bashing the English again like we did earlier in the week.
MY own personal view that the people of Scotland are intelligent enough to make their own minds up is JUST as valid as anyone else's opinion.
But then I suppose it's not very popular to say that as it actually backs democracy and not one of the 'sides' in this referendum
I wasn't debating this issue earlier in the week. You've mixed me up with someone else.
Your subsequent post about plan B shows that you have fundamentally misunderstood the currency issue. What I mean is, if you don't know what plan B is, or if you think there isn't one, then the most important part of the currency issue has passed you by. "Ok, so what is plan B? No one knows so if you do, please inform us all | |||
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"Fuck it Andy, I'm off to the pub "Have fun | |||
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"Used Ireland as a fine example of an independant country? Needed a Eurozone bail-out. Greece, a marvelous indeed booming finance mid 2000, yes booming it was, thats what the yes lot promise us too, booming, and better this n that. Greece needed bailed out too ! "The UK needed a bailout too remember. And Ireland recovered far quicker than the UK. No one is promising booming. But we can do better than this. | |||
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"Ok, heres a point, this yes/no thing, has it come about by popular demand from all in scotland? The stats showing half the country not kean on the idea currently, they never pushed for the vote on it to come about, who then engineered it all ?" Socialist & SNP | |||
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"Ok, heres a point, this yes/no thing, has it come about by popular demand from all in scotland? The stats showing half the country not kean on the idea currently, they never pushed for the vote on it to come about, who then engineered it all ? Socialist & SNP" Alex Salmond | |||
"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? " His plan be is to quit & move country | |||
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"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? " No plan A is a currency union. Plan B is to use the pound without a currency union. The first is what will happen. If the refuse, then their economy will take a serious shunt and a 10% drop in the uk balance of payments. They will never admit this though. They have too much to lose. They're all in and the Scottish government are, correctly in my view, holding position. Remember we are the richer partner in this union. And the reason we are having this referendum is because the snp promised to have one if elected. They won by a landslide. | |||
"UK needed a bail out ?...from whom ?" The US federal reserve. | |||
"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? No plan A is a currency union. Plan B is to use the pound without a currency union. The first is what will happen. If the refuse, then their economy will take a serious shunt and a 10% drop in the uk balance of payments. They will never admit this though. They have too much to lose. They're all in and the Scottish government are, correctly in my view, holding position. Remember we are the richer partner in this union. And the reason we are having this referendum is because the snp promised to have one if elected. They won by a landslide. " Lots of "facts" with no sources or proof. Are you actually Mr Salmond? | |||
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"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? No plan A is a currency union. Plan B is to use the pound without a currency union. The first is what will happen. If the refuse, then their economy will take a serious shunt and a 10% drop in the uk balance of payments. They will never admit this though. They have too much to lose. They're all in and the Scottish government are, correctly in my view, holding position. Remember we are the richer partner in this union. And the reason we are having this referendum is because the snp promised to have one if elected. They won by a landslide. " But then if there is no currency union, it would be a Scottish Pound. So it would be a new currency, and with a new currency comes new credit ratings which will be non-existent as there is no proven track record for the currency or the economy | |||
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"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? No plan A is a currency union. Plan B is to use the pound without a currency union. The first is what will happen. If the refuse, then their economy will take a serious shunt and a 10% drop in the uk balance of payments. They will never admit this though. They have too much to lose. They're all in and the Scottish government are, correctly in my view, holding position. Remember we are the richer partner in this union. And the reason we are having this referendum is because the snp promised to have one if elected. They won by a landslide. But then if there is no currency union, it would be a Scottish Pound. So it would be a new currency, and with a new currency comes new credit ratings which will be non-existent as there is no proven track record for the currency or the economy " No this is incorrect. It is still sterling. Isle of Man use sterling. Anyone can use sterling. All this stuff about currency is just politics though. Go and ask the 80,000 people who use foodbanks in Scotland and ask them if they give a damn what the currency is going to be. | |||
"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? No plan A is a currency union. Plan B is to use the pound without a currency union. The first is what will happen. If the refuse, then their economy will take a serious shunt and a 10% drop in the uk balance of payments. They will never admit this though. They have too much to lose. They're all in and the Scottish government are, correctly in my view, holding position. Remember we are the richer partner in this union. And the reason we are having this referendum is because the snp promised to have one if elected. They won by a landslide. But then if there is no currency union, it would be a Scottish Pound. So it would be a new currency, and with a new currency comes new credit ratings which will be non-existent as there is no proven track record for the currency or the economy No this is incorrect. It is still sterling. Isle of Man use sterling. Anyone can use sterling. All this stuff about currency is just politics though. Go and ask the 80,000 people who use foodbanks in Scotland and ask them if they give a damn what the currency is going to be." That's about as clumsy an attempt to change the subject as I've seen. | |||
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"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? No plan A is a currency union. Plan B is to use the pound without a currency union. The first is what will happen. If the refuse, then their economy will take a serious shunt and a 10% drop in the uk balance of payments. They will never admit this though. They have too much to lose. They're all in and the Scottish government are, correctly in my view, holding position. Remember we are the richer partner in this union. And the reason we are having this referendum is because the snp promised to have one if elected. They won by a landslide. But then if there is no currency union, it would be a Scottish Pound. So it would be a new currency, and with a new currency comes new credit ratings which will be non-existent as there is no proven track record for the currency or the economy No this is incorrect. It is still sterling. Isle of Man use sterling. Anyone can use sterling. All this stuff about currency is just politics though. Go and ask the 80,000 people who use foodbanks in Scotland and ask them if they give a damn what the currency is going to be." 1. BNP Paribas estimate 20 -40,000 job losses in the Scottish financial services industry if an iScotland opts for the Panama Pound option. 2. "Scotland would be faced with monetary policy implementation without representation – a very odd form of independence." Chairman of HSBC. 3. "uncertainty over Scotland's currency arrangements could prompt capital flight from the country, leaving its financial system in a parlous state." Same article as above. As for food banks, the current Scottish Government recently "gave" food banks £501k. Laudable, yet the very same Government found £1 to buy and a further £16.5 MILLON for an ayrshire airport that was, to use the owners terms, economically unsustainable. Surely the £16.5 million would have aided so many more had it been spent on alleviating hunger. 4. The NHS 'scare'. - The Scottish NHS budget is fully devolved. If the Scottish government wish to add to the budget, then they can ask the electorate to allow them to vary scottish tax via the next scottish elections. 5. Renationalisation of the Post Office - estimated cost £1 billion - where's the money going to come for that? 6. Research funding - Scotland currently has about 13%-15% of the uk research pot. Like currency, the Yes campaign, have stated "there WILL BE a common research area". Erm I seriously doubt that! Cost to keep funding for research at current levels ~£200 -£300 million p/a. 7. State security services - how much to set up and run Och Aye 5? 8. Walk away from the debt, walk away from current UK government services. So costs for DVLA, passport office, overseas embassies, border control, tax collection (£675 million & 10 years to implement), benefits agency, dept of external relations, resource management, foreign aid etc, etc, etc. 80 years of campaigning, 7 years of government, 3 years of referendum and the SNP have given the electorate such a 'pick n mix'of a 'manifesto' that it is laughable. Independence means that. Not the muddled half way house proposed by the SNP/Yes campaign. | |||
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"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? No plan A is a currency union. Plan B is to use the pound without a currency union. The first is what will happen. If the refuse, then their economy will take a serious shunt and a 10% drop in the uk balance of payments. They will never admit this though. They have too much to lose. They're all in and the Scottish government are, correctly in my view, holding position. Remember we are the richer partner in this union. And the reason we are having this referendum is because the snp promised to have one if elected. They won by a landslide. But then if there is no currency union, it would be a Scottish Pound. So it would be a new currency, and with a new currency comes new credit ratings which will be non-existent as there is no proven track record for the currency or the economy No this is incorrect. It is still sterling. Isle of Man use sterling. Anyone can use sterling. All this stuff about currency is just politics though. Go and ask the 80,000 people who use foodbanks in Scotland and ask them if they give a damn what the currency is going to be." So there is no Plan B then? Ok, thanks for sharing | |||
"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? No plan A is a currency union. Plan B is to use the pound without a currency union. The first is what will happen. If the refuse, then their economy will take a serious shunt and a 10% drop in the uk balance of payments. They will never admit this though. They have too much to lose. They're all in and the Scottish government are, correctly in my view, holding position. Remember we are the richer partner in this union. And the reason we are having this referendum is because the snp promised to have one if elected. They won by a landslide. But then if there is no currency union, it would be a Scottish Pound. So it would be a new currency, and with a new currency comes new credit ratings which will be non-existent as there is no proven track record for the currency or the economy No this is incorrect. It is still sterling. Isle of Man use sterling. Anyone can use sterling. All this stuff about currency is just politics though. Go and ask the 80,000 people who use foodbanks in Scotland and ask them if they give a damn what the currency is going to be. 1. BNP Paribas estimate 20 -40,000 job losses in the Scottish financial services industry if an iScotland opts for the Panama Pound option. 2. "Scotland would be faced with monetary policy implementation without representation – a very odd form of independence." Chairman of HSBC. 3. "uncertainty over Scotland's currency arrangements could prompt capital flight from the country, leaving its financial system in a parlous state." Same article as above. As for food banks, the current Scottish Government recently "gave" food banks £501k. Laudable, yet the very same Government found £1 to buy and a further £16.5 MILLON for an ayrshire airport that was, to use the owners terms, economically unsustainable. Surely the £16.5 million would have aided so many more had it been spent on alleviating hunger. 4. The NHS 'scare'. - The Scottish NHS budget is fully devolved. If the Scottish government wish to add to the budget, then they can ask the electorate to allow them to vary scottish tax via the next scottish elections. 5. Renationalisation of the Post Office - estimated cost £1 billion - where's the money going to come for that? 6. Research funding - Scotland currently has about 13%-15% of the uk research pot. Like currency, the Yes campaign, have stated "there WILL BE a common research area". Erm I seriously doubt that! Cost to keep funding for research at current levels ~£200 -£300 million p/a. 7. State security services - how much to set up and run Och Aye 5? 8. Walk away from the debt, walk away from current UK government services. So costs for DVLA, passport office, overseas embassies, border control, tax collection (£675 million & 10 years to implement), benefits agency, dept of external relations, resource management, foreign aid etc, etc, etc. 80 years of campaigning, 7 years of government, 3 years of referendum and the SNP have given the electorate such a 'pick n mix'of a 'manifesto' that it is laughable. Independence means that. Not the muddled half way house proposed by the SNP/Yes campaign. " See, there ARE intelligent people in Scotland who can decide for themselves, I was right | |||
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They probably re wrote flower of Scotland to say
Never ever ever be a nation again | |||
"Could almost be the mantra of the hell no to freedom brigade
They probably re wrote flower of Scotland to say
Never ever ever be a nation again "I think most people want substance... rather than patrotic soundbites.... actually have to say I am looking forward to tomorrow... maybe eck will finally utter a plausable "plan b" | |||
"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? No plan A is a currency union. Plan B is to use the pound without a currency union. The first is what will happen. If the refuse, then their economy will take a serious shunt and a 10% drop in the uk balance of payments. They will never admit this though. They have too much to lose. They're all in and the Scottish government are, correctly in my view, holding position. Remember we are the richer partner in this union. And the reason we are having this referendum is because the snp promised to have one if elected. They won by a landslide. " Where did you get this information on the 10% drop in balance of payments. Was this from the computer games journalist who runs the wings over scotland website? Because if it is I challenged him on his site about it and he was unable to back it up in anyway when challenged | |||
" The UK needed a bailout too remember. And Ireland recovered far quicker than the UK. No one is promising booming. But we can do better than this. " This is untrue about the Irish economy, where are you getting the information from? Here's a quote from an article in the Irish Times on the 8th August: '... Those numbers are both welcome and impressive but need to be placed in context: we are still a long, long way from the economy getting back to pre-recession levels, something that has now been achieved in both the UK and US.' The ironic thing is, the Irish recovery is in part being driven by the fact that the UK economy is improving at a better than expected rate this year, boosting exports. | |||
"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? No plan A is a currency union. Plan B is to use the pound without a currency union. The first is what will happen. If the refuse, then their economy will take a serious shunt and a 10% drop in the uk balance of payments. They will never admit this though. They have too much to lose. They're all in and the Scottish government are, correctly in my view, holding position. Remember we are the richer partner in this union. And the reason we are having this referendum is because the snp promised to have one if elected. They won by a landslide. Where did you get this information on the 10% drop in balance of payments. Was this from the computer games journalist who runs the wings over scotland website? Because if it is I challenged him on his site about it and he was unable to back it up in anyway when challenged" Surprised you weren't banned for asking difficult questions. "Rev" Stu and his Wee Blue Book. Shades of Mao in that. In 1968 a Red Guard publication instructed that scientists must follow Mao Zedong’s injunction: “Be resolute, fear no sacrifice and surmount every difficulty to win victory.” Freedom at any cost? | |||
"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? No plan A is a currency union. Plan B is to use the pound without a currency union. The first is what will happen. If the refuse, then their economy will take a serious shunt and a 10% drop in the uk balance of payments. They will never admit this though. They have too much to lose. They're all in and the Scottish government are, correctly in my view, holding position. Remember we are the richer partner in this union. And the reason we are having this referendum is because the snp promised to have one if elected. They won by a landslide. Where did you get this information on the 10% drop in balance of payments. Was this from the computer games journalist who runs the wings over scotland website? Because if it is I challenged him on his site about it and he was unable to back it up in anyway when challenged Surprised you weren't banned for asking difficult questions. "Rev" Stu and his Wee Blue Book. Shades of Mao in that. In 1968 a Red Guard publication instructed that scientists must follow Mao Zedong’s injunction: “Be resolute, fear no sacrifice and surmount every difficulty to win victory.” Freedom at any cost?" I did cheat a little by adding a comment at the end about there being enough good reasons for independence without using blatant untruths. Just used that line in the hope he would assume I was pro indy and try to address the point. But alas he was obviously unable to. | |||
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"Hang on, the pound is Plan A! So again, I'll ask, what is plan B? No plan A is a currency union. Plan B is to use the pound without a currency union. The first is what will happen. If the refuse, then their economy will take a serious shunt and a 10% drop in the uk balance of payments. They will never admit this though. They have too much to lose. They're all in and the Scottish government are, correctly in my view, holding position. Remember we are the richer partner in this union. And the reason we are having this referendum is because the snp promised to have one if elected. They won by a landslide. Where did you get this information on the 10% drop in balance of payments. Was this from the computer games journalist who runs the wings over scotland website? Because if it is I challenged him on his site about it and he was unable to back it up in anyway when challenged" And why does the 'wings' guy (Stuart Campbell ) call himself Rev? Is it to imply some form of respectability? | |||
"To clear up the currency issue? A straighter answer could not have been given to that question. The pound. That's the answer. If anyone thinks someone can take the pound from them, would they mind very much sending all their pounds to me please?" You can call your own currency anything you want. Think how many variations of the dollar there is. What they are saying is that a currency union has been ruled out so it won't be a pound sterling but a wee eck pound which might or might not have parity with the pound sterling. The alternative is to buy notes from the Bank of England which are backed by that bank. | |||
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"If Scotland votes no and there is the slightest off bad news be prepared for the blame you no voters out there !!!!" Dunno how to take that? Serious or ironic?  | |||
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"If Scotland votes no and there is the slightest off bad news be prepared for the blame you no voters out there !!!!Dunno how to take that? Serious or ironic? "After you have blamed Westminster for keeping the country in chains and on it's knees you need to blame someone else certainly not your lack of credibility. | |||
"Just remember this isn't a vote for Salmond it is a vote for independence and if Scotland becomes independent there will be a vote for the party who will govern. Salmond and the SNP are in power in Scotland because the Scottish people put them there. I don't particularly care what a persons political stance is I just urge everyone eligible to vote to get to their polling station and vote. An 80 to 90 percent turn out will mean that regardless of which way the vote goes it will be a democratic and majority decision." Well said. | |||
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"If Scotland votes no and there is the slightest off bad news be prepared for the blame you no voters out there !!!!Dunno how to take that? Serious or ironic? "That 'advice' will work both ways. | |||
"Just remember this isn't a vote for Salmond it is a vote for independence and if Scotland becomes independent there will be a vote for the party who will govern......" Salmond has made it a vote about him by insisting he appears in the tv debates. There'll be a vote for who governs Scotland regardless of the outcome of the referendum. We even know the date. | |||
"My mother and father, for daring to stop and look at a "No Thanks" stand in their local high street, got "traitors" shouted at them, by someone they have known all their lives, they are both i their 80's !!! Freedom indeed. "I have deliberately not commented on this thread today, but i need to point out it happens the other way around as well. yesterday as i went about my business someone stepped in front off me and thrust a no thanks leaflet at me. after saying no thanks mate (trying to be witty) i walked on, only to hear his mate say that i "am probably one of those fenians that want to turn Scotland into another Ireland" | |||
"My mother and father, for daring to stop and look at a "No Thanks" stand in their local high street, got "traitors" shouted at them, by someone they have known all their lives, they are both i their 80's !!! Freedom indeed.
I have deliberately not commented on this thread today, but i need to point out it happens the other way around as well.
yesterday as i went about my business someone stepped in front off me and thrust a no thanks leaflet at me.
after saying no thanks mate (trying to be witty) i walked on, only to hear his mate say that i "am probably one of those fenians that want to turn Scotland into another Ireland"
"Yip, which is why i certainly cant wait for sept the 19th, and it all goes away. | |||
"My mother and father, for daring to stop and look at a "No Thanks" stand in their local high street, got "traitors" shouted at them, by someone they have known all their lives, they are both i their 80's !!! Freedom indeed.
I have deliberately not commented on this thread today, but i need to point out it happens the other way around as well.
yesterday as i went about my business someone stepped in front off me and thrust a no thanks leaflet at me.
after saying no thanks mate (trying to be witty) i walked on, only to hear his mate say that i "am probably one of those fenians that want to turn Scotland into another Ireland"
Yip, which is why i certainly cant wait for sept the 19th, and it all goes away."It wont. The Nats are notoriously bad losers. | |||
"My mother and father, for daring to stop and look at a "No Thanks" stand in their local high street, got "traitors" shouted at them, by someone they have known all their lives, they are both i their 80's !!! Freedom indeed.
I have deliberately not commented on this thread today, but i need to point out it happens the other way around as well.
yesterday as i went about my business someone stepped in front off me and thrust a no thanks leaflet at me.
after saying no thanks mate (trying to be witty) i walked on, only to hear his mate say that i "am probably one of those fenians that want to turn Scotland into another Ireland"
Yip, which is why i certainly cant wait for sept the 19th, and it all goes away."if only
the reality of what happens on the 19th is that we know the result, one side gloats and the risks involved no matter which way it goes start to take effect.
to paraphrase Churchill, "the 19th sept is not the end, its not even the beginning of the end. But it is perhaps the end of the beginning" | |||
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"I still have a dream, a dream deeply rooted in the HUMAN dream – one day this WORLD will rise up and live up to its creed, 'We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal and deserving to be free from the corrupting grasp of ALL POLITICIANS and its lackeys who would seek to bind our people in tawdry chains of gold in exchange for their liberty "Fixed that for you | |||
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"i very much doubt it " Honestly? I doubt it too but wouldn't the WORLD be a better place? | |||
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"I still have a dream, a dream deeply rooted in the Scottish dream – one day this nation will rise up and live up to its creed, 'We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal and deserving to be free from the corrupting grasp of westminster and its lackeys who would seek to bind our people in tawdry chains of gold in exchange for their liberty "How tawdry can this campaigning get. Bastardising THAT inspirational, meaningful speech is appalling Comparing Scottish independence to Martin Luther Kings civil rights campaign, how low will you lot stoop Saddened beyond belief | |||
"Keep seeing talk of food banks and how it's disgraceful we have them in our country. I was surprised when I heard on the radio the other day that Germany, among other countries, has them with around 1.5 million people using the 1000 foodbanks in the country. Someone also raised an interesting point about foodbanks creating a demand. Basically if you're giving something away for free their will always be a demand. At what point would we know that there was no more need/ demand for foodbanks? I honestly have no idea." I think the misconception with foodbanks is that they create a demand... the truth with most foodbank charities/providers is that you actually have to be referred to them... and they will only allow use to use them once every 6 months ish so you dont develop a reliance on them.... | |||
"I still have a dream, a dream deeply rooted in the Scottish dream – one day this nation will rise up and live up to its creed, 'We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal and deserving to be free from the corrupting grasp of westminster and its lackeys who would seek to bind our people in tawdry chains of gold in exchange for their liberty
How tawdry can this campaigning get.
Bastardising THAT inspirational, meaningful speech is appalling
Comparing Scottish independence to Martin Luther Kings civil rights campaign, how low will you lot stoop
Saddened beyond belief"thank you.... thank you.... thank you! I am glad someone has finally said this because as someone who was born in the south (atlanta) and had parents and grandparents than fought in that struggle for basic civil rights.... that was borderling offence to make that comparison...... | |||
"I still have a dream, a dream deeply rooted in the Scottish dream – one day this nation will rise up and live up to its creed, 'We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal and deserving to be free from the corrupting grasp of westminster and its lackeys who would seek to bind our people in tawdry chains of gold in exchange for their liberty
How tawdry can this campaigning get.
Bastardising THAT inspirational, meaningful speech is appalling
Comparing Scottish independence to Martin Luther Kings civil rights campaign, how low will you lot stoop
Saddened beyond belief
thank you.... thank you.... thank you!
I am glad someone has finally said this because as someone who was born in the south (atlanta) and had parents and grandparents than fought in that struggle for basic civil rights.... that was borderling offence to make that comparison......"Understood and agreed, sad it happened | |||
What they don't have is Eck's £1.4 billion vanity Queensferry Crossing. | |||
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"Do people really think that Scotland will still keep the 10% over spend in comparison to England after this vote if we stay as one. The English are already complaining. There are so many this that are likely to get worse if we stay now that this has been done. If we leave things will probably get worse too.... to start with. But the thy will pic up and 10 years from now we will be much better of I believe. Most of the no vote is one you will lose this money and that but now that it's been brought to light do you really think we will keep all the extra funding etc. Plus if there is no currency union we will mot take on the debts but there is no legal means of England stopping us from using it. And all this rubbish about if we don't control the interest rates etc do you really this we have any impact ad it is over the bank of England base rate etc I think not. My thoughts" thanks for sharing, just a wee bit incoherent but thats ok | |||
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"Is Germany not a wealthier country than the Uk and they have food banks !!!! How the hell did Westminster cause that !!! It is totaly amazing !!!!"" It's all the Tory's fault!! Along with the rain and the midges. | |||
"How about this, instead of coming on here having pointless debates trying to ram your thoughts down people's throats you just go to the polls on the day and vote how you feel is best for our country. Just a thought? " I'm rather with you on that one. Salmond must be wondering why he was so dead set on the debates. | |||
"Do people really think that Scotland will still keep the 10% over spend in comparison to England after this vote if we stay as one. The English are already complaining. There are so many this that are likely to get worse if we stay now that this has been done. If we leave things will probably get worse too.... to start with. But the thy will pic up and 10 years from now we will be much better of I believe. Most of the no vote is one you will lose this money and that but now that it's been brought to light do you really think we will keep all the extra funding etc. Plus if there is no currency union we will mot take on the debts but there is no legal means of England stopping us from using it. And all this rubbish about if we don't control the interest rates etc do you really this we have any impact ad it is over the bank of England base rate etc I think not. My thoughts" If a nation defaults on debt then they have problems getting credit and if they do it is at high rates. A bit like Wonga but for larger amounts. No matter what John Swinney says and he has been proven to be a liar you cannot walk away from responsibilities. There is also the slight matter of asset division, you try and walk away and the chances of you keeping the goods is remote. I can just imagine your face if the rest of the UK still has base rate of 0.5% and Scotland is paying Italian rates of over 7%. We'll see if a Scottish passport is really worth the extra money out your wallet. Has Wee Eck even talked about income tax rates to fund his tartan Utopia? A yes vote is a vote for the unknown. Not even Wee Eck knows the answers as negotiations don't start until after a yes vote. What happens if the SNP don't like the terms? What happens if the SNP lose the 2016 Scottish elections? Bare in mind that only 45% of the electorate voted for them previously so they are a minority goverment trying to impose their will on the majority. | |||
".... Has Wee Eck even talked about income tax rates to fund his tartan Utopia? " Eck had a perfectly legal way of varying income tax +/- 3% but he allowed John Swindle to let the power lapse. | |||
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"I can't understand where all this new money is coming from. Scotland would need to either increase taxation, thank you very much or increase borrowing, no thank you, at stupid rates of interest but the worst part is Scotland's share of the national debt which in April 2014 was announced to be 1.3 trillion pounds with interest of 1 billion pounds per week. Capital spending has increased quite dramatically in recent months strangely enough so that Mr Salmond and Co can shout about what they are currently doing, makes no sense whatsoever" And Salmond's plan to reduce the rate of corporation tax (as per the Shite Paper) can only increase the burden on the rest of us. | |||
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