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"Thicko here...what's the question? If its what I think it is....then no....I'm not in the mood for chips tonight....  "
jinty its a tuesday we have chips the mora mind lol
the independance vote lol
im more for no myself but still undecided |
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over a year ago
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"Thicko here...what's the question? If its what I think it is....then no....I'm not in the mood for chips tonight....
jinty its a tuesday we have chips the mora mind lol
the independance vote lol
im more for no myself but still undecided "
Ah well...no to chips and no to that either....or as Cutes would say n*********t....   |
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over a year ago
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"Personally i couldnt give a fuck,if that fat little fuck salmond wins we're fucked,if monobrow wins we're fucked,so really who cares"
a yes vote isn't a vote for salmond tho
We can vote him out when we get independence  |
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"Personally i couldnt give a fuck,if that fat little fuck salmond wins we're fucked,if monobrow wins we're fucked,so really who caresa yes vote isn't a vote for salmond tho
We can vote him out when we get independence "
either way we are fucked |
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"Personally i couldnt give a fuck,if that fat little fuck salmond wins we're fucked,if monobrow wins we're fucked,so really who caresa yes vote isn't a vote for salmond tho
We can vote him out when we get independence either way we are fucked "
id rather be fucked trying it on my own tho
Than letting some that live hundreds of miles away do it for me |
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"Personally i couldnt give a fuck,if that fat little fuck salmond wins we're fucked,if monobrow wins we're fucked,so really who caresa yes vote isn't a vote for salmond tho
We can vote him out when we get independence 
True but he will ride the I won independence for Scotland from the English wave for the rest of his life, making him even more of an irritating .... Person..... Than he already is."
So we should sacrifice the opportunity to shape our own future, improve society for all & those for generations to come because Salmonds ego would be massaged!
Were voting for the ability to CHOOSE
Not for Salmond/Sturgeon |
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"Personally i couldnt give a fuck,if that fat little fuck salmond wins we're fucked,if monobrow wins we're fucked,so really who caresa yes vote isn't a vote for salmond tho
We can vote him out when we get independence
True but he will ride the I won independence for Scotland from the English wave for the rest of his life, making him even more of an irritating .... Person..... Than he already is.
So we should sacrifice the opportunity to shape our own future, improve society for all & those for generations to come because Salmonds ego would be massaged!
Were voting for the ability to CHOOSE
Not for Salmond/Sturgeon "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No from me purely based on lack of positive info from the yes camp eg pensions, infrastructure (passports, driving licences, armed force etc). But if I'm honest I wish I did not have to vote for either camp, as it's been said before we're screwed either way lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Absolutely. YES
Fucking. Forget salmond it's not about. Him. If that's your reason for voting no ffs. Don't. Bother. Don't. Let the I hate salmond cloud your vote
So just in case. You didn't. Get my vote
Its YES ALL DAY LONG |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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and its a YES from us
To many ppl thinking about how it will effect them (me me me me me!!) get a grip and look at the bigger picture. An independent Scotland free from English rule at long last  |
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over a year ago
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As for all the muppets that complain about Westminster. ..just remember Eck wants us in Europe. ..so all laws will come from brussels...they fucked greece and they will fuck us to...PS oils not going to save us. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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just watched the debate from south of the border....
I wanted to hear what salmond "plan b" was on the currency.... I still have no idea what that is!!
it wasn't a knockout either way... i think darling edged it..... |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"just watched the debate from south of the border....
I wanted to hear what salmond "plan b" was on the currency.... I still have no idea what that is!!
it wasn't a knockout either way... i think darling edged it....."
Think I'd agree with that. Salmond did look slicker as expected and Darling did seem to lose his composure a little at times but the 'plan b' issue was a big one and I think Salmonds jibes about pandas and aliens were badly misjudged in such an important debate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nicola Sturgeon's thigh flashing won it for me. (Puts on Take That blokes X Factor voice) "Nicola. It looks so wrong but I love it. You're going through to the next round! Yes! Yes! Yes!"
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over a year ago
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Have to agree on the plan B letting salmond down
It was all a bit he said you said
Don't think it would sway any undecided voters to vote yes
But have to agree where's Cameron if he wants us to stay that much? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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He wouldn't say he's got a plan b cause if he did they would say ... So you know plan A isn't gonna work lol
Your right tho he doesn't need plan b
He's a clever guy... Slimy as fook but clever just not his best debate tonight I thought |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Would anybody seriously buy a second hand car from eck? I think not...why was he debating anyway as he is not the head of Yesnp...sorry yes scotland...thought the pound was a millstone around Scotland's neck. So why does he want it so bad. I hope all yes voters have paid of their mortgage should we be saddled with independence. |
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"FREEDOM,,, 
You reckon?
Independence from Westminster, then we go cap in hand to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels?? Madness!!  "
We go cap in hand to a government not elected by Scots anyway....in Westminster. |
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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago
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"As for all the muppets that complain about Westminster. ..just remember Eck wants us in Europe. ..so all laws will come from brussels...they fucked greece and they will fuck us to...PS oils not going to save us. "
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"We don't. Need a fekin plan b
If Scotland. Gets independence
The uk government. Will be forced to let us use the pound!!
Let this plan b thing go ff's "
forced to use the pound under what circumstance....
I would love the 3 main parties here to say... if scotland vote yes.... then everyone else in the UK gets a vote in a referendum the following month as to whether they want a currency union...
after all... why should you get all the decisions.....
p.s that forced the UK conversation would probably go something like this....
S: we demand to share your currency.....
Ruk: nope....
S: we won't take on any of your debts
Ruk: so your start with a credit rating in "default" status.... plus we will veto any chance of you Joining the EU.....
enjoy that world.......... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"As for all the muppets that complain about Westminster. ..just remember Eck wants us in Europe. ..so all laws will come from brussels...they fucked greece and they will fuck us to...PS oils not going to save us.
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the funny thing is people like to blame westminster... but seem to forget they have had their own parliament for the last 20 years... which has had power to legistlate.. and has had fiscal automony over all local issues with regards to scotland
but yes.... lets blame westminster |
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"Was nobody but me perving Nicki's legs then. None of the political commentators have picked up on them. Disappointed with the whole analysis."
i can see you now sitting. Staring. At a lifesize. Pic of nicola above. The mantle lol |
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"As for all the muppets that complain about Westminster. ..just remember Eck wants us in Europe. ..so all laws will come from brussels...they fucked greece and they will fuck us to...PS oils not going to save us.
the funny thing is people like to blame westminster... but seem to forget they have had their own parliament for the last 20 years... which has had power to legistlate.. and has had fiscal automony over all local issues with regards to scotland
but yes.... lets blame westminster"
everyone in Scotland knows then only thing we vote on in the Scottish parliament is what Westminster lets us
It was a token gesture to keep us quiet |
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"Was nobody but me perving Nicki's legs then. None of the political commentators have picked up on them. Disappointed with the whole analysis.
I worry for you......... I really do!!! I suppose you have to start from the legs up.... because if you started from the face down... you would have probably run a mile before you reached the shoulders "
It worries me to. I think I need to start a thread on people who prompt a worrying fascination. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maybe not so worrying....by all accounts Nicola's nickname at uni was "chomper". It does make u wonder. "
See I got you thinking.
I need to go to bed after that and make a tent. Oh Chomper!
( I knew we could get away from the politics!) |
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sorry captain jack but the UK government will in no way be forced to let us use the pound. Wee fat Eck just didn't have an answer for that one and that's where the whole thing will fall down. Still a definate NOOOOOO here |
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Forced. Mabes a bad choice. Of words
If we win. The pound will plummet, Scotland is a net contributer to the UK.
We pay more. To the London. Exchequer
Than we get out. Therefore. If we become. Independent. The rest. Of the uk is in the shitter. The only. Way to balance. The books. Will be to raise taxes or chase. Corporations avoiding. Tax, but those. Corporate. Billionaires. Would rather. Negotiate. A currency. Union. With us rather. Thanks cough. Up out of there. Own pockets. So we have them over a barrel. So to speak. If we want. The pound we will. Get it mostly. On our terms. |
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Yes lets stay in a union that treats us as a colony forces the least well off to use foodbanks harrasses the mentally ill and termanilly ill to undergo fit for work assesments and our pensioners to be means tested who only want to look after their rich friends ,yep we r all in this together !! My arse ,time to stand together and rid ourselves of these corrupt millionairs on both sides ,think of your children and grandchildren when voting .
Oh and do u know ian duncan smith claims 38pounds every day for his breakfast on his expenses ,yep.we are all in this together !!. |
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"Yes lets stay in a union that treats us as a colony forces the least well off to use foodbanks harrasses the mentally ill and termanilly ill to undergo fit for work assesments and our pensioners to be means tested who only want to look after their rich friends ,yep we r all in this together !! My arse ,time to stand together and rid ourselves of these corrupt millionairs on both sides ,think of your children and grandchildren when voting .
Oh and do u know ian duncan smith claims 38pounds every day for his breakfast on his expenses ,yep.we are all in this together !!."
We have all of the above thanks to our current coalition government, we have a coalition government because the whole of the uk were undecided/split over who to vote for.
If we were to have a uk wide general election tommorow, with most of the country having had enough of current policies,im quite sure there would be no coalition government. |
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"We don't. Need a fekin plan b
If Scotland. Gets independence
The uk government. Will be forced to let us use the pound!!
Let this plan b thing go ff's
Fabio
What makes you think Ruk will be in Europe in 18 months
As for oil Why are BP / Shell investing in west coast drilling site and requesting staging from Machrahanish for helicopters try reading a broadsheet .
forced to use the pound under what circumstance....
I would love the 3 main parties here to say... if scotland vote yes.... then everyone else in the UK gets a vote in a referendum the following month as to whether they want a currency union...
after all... why should you get all the decisions.....
p.s that forced the UK conversation would probably go something like this....
S: we demand to share your currency.....
Ruk: nope....
S: we won't take on any of your debts
Ruk: so your start with a credit rating in "default" status.... plus we will veto any chance of you Joining the EU.....
enjoy that world.........."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Absolutely. YES
Fucking. Forget salmond it's not about. Him. If that's your reason for voting no ffs. Don't. Bother. Don't. Let the I hate salmond cloud your vote
So just in case. You didn't. Get my vote
Its YES ALL DAY LONG "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Absolutely. YES
Fucking. Forget salmond it's not about. Him. If that's your reason for voting no ffs. Don't. Bother. Don't. Let the I hate salmond cloud your vote
So just in case. You didn't. Get my vote
Its YES ALL DAY LONG "
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By (user no longer on site)
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Everyone had the right to vote
But remember if you vote no
You then have no right to moan about the state of the country or MPs as you gave the chance to change it when you voted no?
It won't be a quick fix but it will be a better country for the next generation
Surely it's worth a try? |
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"Everyone had the right to vote
But remember if you vote no
You then have no right to moan about the state of the country or MPs as you gave the chance to change it when you voted no?
It won't be a quick fix but it will be a better country for the next generation
Surely it's worth a try?"
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"Everyone had the right to vote
But remember if you vote no
You then have no right to moan about the state of the country or MPs as you gave the chance to change it when you voted no?
It won't be a quick fix but it will be a better country for the next generation
Surely it's worth a try?"
yeah but also if we vote yes..... there is no going back and no knocking on the door asking to come back. |
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"Forced. Mabes a bad choice. Of words
If we win. The pound will plummet, Scotland is a net contributer to the UK.
We pay more. To the London. Exchequer
Than we get out. Therefore. If we become. Independent. The rest. Of the uk is in the shitter. The only. Way to balance. The books. Will be to raise taxes or chase. Corporations avoiding. Tax, but those. Corporate. Billionaires. Would rather. Negotiate. A currency. Union. With us rather. Thanks cough. Up out of there. Own pockets. So we have them over a barrel. So to speak. If we want. The pound we will. Get it mostly. On our terms. "
If that is true why did Salmond not have that written down on his piece of paper? It was inevitable that the question of currency was going to come up, his team of specialist advisors will have been researching and prepping him and his answers for weeks. Why oh why did they not get him to raise that as a counter argument for why he needed no plan B - instead leaving him standing cock in hand whimpering trust me ?
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"Forced. Mabes a bad choice. Of words
If we win. The pound will plummet, Scotland is a net contributer to the UK.
We pay more. To the London. Exchequer
Than we get out. Therefore. If we become. Independent. The rest. Of the uk is in the shitter. The only. Way to balance. The books. Will be to raise taxes or chase. Corporations avoiding. Tax, but those. Corporate. Billionaires. Would rather. Negotiate. A currency. Union. With us rather. Thanks cough. Up out of there. Own pockets. So we have them over a barrel. So to speak. If we want. The pound we will. Get it mostly. On our terms.
If that is true why did Salmond not have that written down on his piece of paper? It was inevitable that the question of currency was going to come up, his team of specialist advisors will have been researching and prepping him and his answers for weeks. Why oh why did they not get him to raise that as a counter argument for why he needed no plan B - instead leaving him standing cock in hand whimpering trust me ?
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Absolutely! He lost my vote by not at least having some kind of answer or plan B. Too big a decision to vote on based on "it'll be OK"! |
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"Forced. Mabes a bad choice. Of words
If we win. The pound will plummet, Scotland is a net contributer to the UK.
We pay more. To the London. Exchequer
Than we get out. Therefore. If we become. Independent. The rest. Of the uk is in the shitter. The only. Way to balance. The books. Will be to raise taxes or chase. Corporations avoiding. Tax, but those. Corporate. Billionaires. Would rather. Negotiate. A currency. Union. With us rather. Thanks cough. Up out of there. Own pockets. So we have them over a barrel. So to speak. If we want. The pound we will. Get it mostly. On our terms.
If that is true why did Salmond not have that written down on his piece of paper? It was inevitable that the question of currency was going to come up, his team of specialist advisors will have been researching and prepping him and his answers for weeks. Why oh why did they not get him to raise that as a counter argument for why he needed no plan B - instead leaving him standing cock in hand whimpering trust me ?
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Absolutely! He lost my vote by not at least having some kind of answer or plan B. Too big a decision to vote on based on "it'll be OK"! |
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Exactly, you can sit and pretty much think of various headaches that will come with independance.
As has been said, currency,pensions/national pension, the military, will that all be divided too?
We dont need the deterant of Trident?
You seen the state of the world currently? Scarey.
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"If that is true why did Salmond not have that written down on his piece of paper? It was inevitable that the question of currency was going to come up, his team of specialist advisors will have been researching and prepping him and his answers for weeks. Why oh why did they not get him to raise that as a counter argument for why he needed no plan B - instead leaving him standing cock in hand whimpering trust me ?
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You can't come out on national telly and say that all the big companies in England are dodging tax.. It's a serious allegation but if Alex salmond didn't think we could have the pound there would be a plan b... We don't need one.. Jack is right it's in every body's best intrest for us to continue using the pound.. |
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"If, as the Separitists insist, this isn't about Salmond; why is HE debating Darling?
It should be campaign leader v campaign leader."
Darling is the leader of better together campaign |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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You can't come out on national telly and say that all the big companies in England are dodging tax.. It's a serious allegation but if Alex salmond didn't think we could have the pound there would be a plan b... We don't need one.. Jack is right it's in every body's best intrest for us to continue using the pound.. "
everyones best interest.... on the scottish side of the border
thats isn't necesarily the case on the other side of the Border as the govenor of the bank of england has stressed
most ecomonic policy would still in effect be dictated by decisions from london... interest rates for example would be dicatated by ecomonmic conditions in the Ruk rather than in scotland
Salmond (and a lot of the yes campaign) seem to think that all the negoiations would be one way.... newsflash.. they wont be!
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You can't come out on national telly and say that all the big companies in England are dodging tax.. It's a serious allegation but if Alex salmond didn't think we could have the pound there would be a plan b... We don't need one.. Jack is right it's in every body's best intrest for us to continue using the pound..
everyones best interest.... on the scottish side of the border
thats isn't necesarily the case on the other side of the Border as the govenor of the bank of england has stressed
most ecomonic policy would still in effect be dictated by decisions from london... interest rates for example would be dicatated by ecomonmic conditions in the Ruk rather than in scotland
Salmond (and a lot of the yes campaign) seem to think that all the negoiations would be one way.... newsflash.. they wont be!
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I dont think for a second that the Yes camp believe negotiations will be 1 way. In regards to this currency union its obvious that it is the best option for all countries involved.
Go out to any high street in the UK and you will see exactly the same shops, whether its in England, Northern Ireland, Wales or Scotland.
If Westminster refused a currency union then all those companies would be in trouble which would affect the whole of the British Isles considerably.
If I was living in the rest of the UK and Scotland got its independence I would be begging for a currency union. |
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everyones best interest.... on the scottish side of the border
thats isn't necesarily the case on the other side of the Border as the govenor of the bank of england has stressed
most ecomonic policy would still in effect be dictated by decisions from london... interest rates for example would be dicatated by ecomonmic conditions in the Ruk rather than in scotland
Salmond (and a lot of the yes campaign) seem to think that all the negoiations would be one way.... newsflash.. they wont be!
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The best way to be reassured about the currency issue is to understand the impact it would have on the rest of the UK and sterling itself without a currency union, once you get that you will see that they actually need it as much as we do and that it's all just threats and political posturing just now.
Firstly it is Scotland's currency and I is not there to be "taken away" now even if they could take it away they wouldn't for the following reasons....
1. The recent recession was caused by a 5% drop in GPD and look how badly that affected state finance. Excluding Scotland's economy from a sterling zone would over night cause a recession twice that size 10% this would cause a massive increase in the intrest the UK would have to pay on loans, basically bankrupting the UK that's why economists called the idea economic vandilisim.
2. All the scottish bank notes that are in circulation are backed by deposits of Scottish bullion held by the Bank of England. If we were kicked out of a sterling zone we would legitimately recall all all that security to back our own currency. Again the Bank of England would be unable to meet this demand so there will be a currency zone.
Last and most easiest reason is the £ is a fully tradable currency and anyone can use it, anyone! |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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You can't come out on national telly and say that all the big companies in England are dodging tax.. It's a serious allegation but if Alex salmond didn't think we could have the pound there would be a plan b... We don't need one.. Jack is right it's in every body's best intrest for us to continue using the pound..
everyones best interest.... on the scottish side of the border
thats isn't necesarily the case on the other side of the Border as the govenor of the bank of england has stressed
most ecomonic policy would still in effect be dictated by decisions from london... interest rates for example would be dicatated by ecomonmic conditions in the Ruk rather than in scotland
Salmond (and a lot of the yes campaign) seem to think that all the negoiations would be one way.... newsflash.. they wont be!
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They also think negotiations, should it come to that, will be quick. They won't be. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Can't understand where you think its our pound. It's regulated by the Bank of England full stop. They and the current westminster government have already both agreed that in the event of a yes vote they will pull the plug on the pound in Scotland. Don't kid yourselves with words that "it'll be all right" It certainly won't. So where do we go ...The Euro....NO way.
Alex Salmond should have known he was going to get it in the neck from Darling about the pound and was left totally speechless about the most important part of what may happen.
Wish to fuck it was the 20th of September and get rid of all this SHITE |
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I've gone from No to Yes...
Not cause of the debate though, the Tories want to carry out fracking on the eventual part of Scotland..
This is reason for voting Yes, take that abuse the Tories direct toward Scotland and those who live here away from them.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Why are we not asking the people and businesses in the uk to enquire what Westminster's plan B is in the event of a YES? How will they pay off a 1.5 trillion debt? What would happen to their credit rating etc. The truth is that it is in Westminster's 'best interest' to share the pound, they will be bankrupt if they don't! Do not let them use currency as a virtual gun to your head. The ONLY way to address inequality, low pay the social deprevation in Scotland is through independence. Let Westminster threaten all they want, at the end of the day we have the oil, we have the wealth and we have the talent in our people! Voting no is not a solution nor is it an option. Take heart, believe in yourself and believe in the very strong economic position your country finds itself in. It is the belief in ourselves as individuals and as a nation, that will carry us over any hurdle that is put in our way not false promises from 2nd and 3rd parties. It has to be YES! |
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By *landAnnCouple
over a year ago
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"Ecks a balloon. He will destroy this country so its a big no from me and everybody else I know..ukok!"
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It isn't about Salmond ffs.... it's about being able to decide which party within Scotland governs Scotland....
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"I WANT to say yes, but I'm a big scaredycat!
Feel completely unprepared and un educated enough to make such a big decision.
Definitely watching tonight. Hopefully learn something. "
#hopeoverfear!!!!!
YES!!!!!!! Voting yes there are uncertainties, voting NO the only certainty is this shit will continue on 19th september and get worse as it has been getting!!!! |
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"No from me purely based on lack of positive info from the yes camp eg pensions, infrastructure (passports, driving licences, armed force etc). But if I'm honest I wish I did not have to vote for either camp, as it's been said before we're screwed either way lol"
So your happy with the way the country is currently run? We arent in this together they rule us! Only we can change this and change our country |
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"We don't. Need a fekin plan b
If Scotland. Gets independence
The uk government. Will be forced to let us use the pound!!
Let this plan b thing go ff's "
This!!!! The pound is as much us as is theirs!! We dont need a plan b |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There seems to be an awful lot of No voters basing their vote on the basis of a politicians personality. Just to put it out there if you were to apply this logic at all times during elections you'd never vote as they're ALL a bunch if lying, self serving, egotistical wankers! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes for me i reckon, i just dont want our country ran by people who aren't even from here, i live in the highlands and yet are governed by people who probably haven't even stepped foot up hete, every general election there is is decided by english votes more or less. At least we'll choose who runs our country by ourselves. |
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By *landAnnCouple
over a year ago
Inverness |
"No from me purely based on lack of positive info from the yes camp eg pensions, infrastructure (passports, driving licences, armed force etc). But if I'm honest I wish I did not have to vote for either camp, as it's been said before we're screwed either way lol
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So your happy with the way the country is currently run? We arent in this together they rule us! Only we can change this and change our country"
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Well said..... We aren't in it together,,, they rule us, they dominate us.... but.. most important.. they need us..!
Only WE can change the way we are governed.
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"No from me purely based on lack of positive info from the yes camp eg pensions, infrastructure (passports, driving licences, armed force etc). But if I'm honest I wish I did not have to vote for either camp, as it's been said before we're screwed either way lol
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So your happy with the way the country is currently run? We arent in this together they rule us! Only we can change this and change our country
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Well said..... We aren't in it together,,, they rule us, they dominate us.... but.. most important.. they need us..!
Only WE can change the way we are governed.
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****** Hopeoverfear ********
Makes me wonder why they seem desperate to keep us? We must have something going for us or they would be saying good riddance?? |
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By *lcockMan
over a year ago
stirling |
I'm voting no.
For me Salmond dances round the questions. The currency is a fundamental part of this debate and he fails to answer the question. Should we be independent and keep the pound who sets the interest rates? The bank of England? Would that not defeat independence.
I also have concerns with our standing in Europe as this would impact us for example import and export goods.
What if it dosent work out do we go cap in hand to England. Look at the state of Ireland, Greece etc.
His white paper from what I've seen is no more than election pledges. We can't rely on wishful thinking, this is a decision that had to be made with our heads and not our hearts.
Could go on but just putting a point out.
I do agree he is a great debater and is no doubt and clever man however that dosent swing it for me.
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"I'm voting no.
For me Salmond dances round the questions. The currency is a fundamental part of this debate and he fails to answer the question. Should we be independent and keep the pound who sets the interest rates? The bank of England? Would that not defeat independence.
I also have concerns with our standing in Europe as this would impact us for example import and export goods.
What if it dosent work out do we go cap in hand to England. Look at the state of Ireland, Greece etc.
His white paper from what I've seen is no more than election pledges. We can't rely on wishful thinking, this is a decision that had to be made with our heads and not our hearts.
Could go on but just putting a point out.
I do agree he is a great debater and is no doubt and clever man however that dosent swing it for me.
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Fear written all over that!!!! |
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over a year ago
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Scotland. Supposedly. A country. Full of brave. Hearts. Of course. It won't. Be an easy. Transition. There will. Be problems I'm not that stupid!!
But for gods. Sake in some respects. Is a leap of faith. Cmon. Scotland. Be brave
And follow. Your heart!! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Ecks a balloon. He will destroy this country so its a big no from me and everybody else I know..ukok!
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It isn't about Salmond ffs.... it's about being able to decide which party within Scotland governs Scotland....
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nice speech... one tiny problem with it
you already decide that! its called the scottish parliament... you know... that thing you have been voting on for the last 20 years...... the thing that has an SNP majority rule.... and decide how things are already spent in scotland on a local scottish level
agriculture, fisheries and forestry, economic development, education, environment, food standards, health, home affairs, Scots law – courts, police and fire services, local government, sport and the arts, transport, training, tourism, research and statistics and social work. |
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"The fear is on the Yes side. They won't answer questions cos they know the Scottish people won't like the answers."
Only fear i have is we dont get independence and the country which is a shambles will continue and only get worse!! |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
glasgow |
Someone claimed above that the UK would see a 10% drop in GDP causing a recession twice as bad as the recent one if scotland didn't get currency union. This is definitely not the case. GDP is used as an indicator of a countries ability to raise taxes, and therefore service debts. So any drop in GDP will also take into account the reduced expenditure involved in Scotland becoming independent I.e both income and expenditure drop. |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
glasgow |
Should add that the gdp is irrelevant anyway as independence would mean both countries being measured seperately whether or not there is a currency union. This is what happens in the euro zone for example and why we can see countries within that zone doing fine while others are a financial basket case. |
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over a year ago
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"Ecks a balloon. He will destroy this country so its a big no from me and everybody else I know..ukok!
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It isn't about Salmond ffs.... it's about being able to decide which party within Scotland governs Scotland....
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nice speech... one tiny problem with it
you already decide that! its called the scottish parliament... you know... that thing you have been voting on for the last 20 years...... the thing that has an SNP majority rule.... and decide how things are already spent in scotland on a local scottish level
agriculture, fisheries and forestry, economic development, education, environment, food standards, health, home affairs, Scots law – courts, police and fire services, local government, sport and the arts, transport, training, tourism, research and statistics and social work."
Excuse me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming that you're English? If this is the case can I ask why it bothers you one way or another whether Scotland votes Yes or No? It's not a question asked to antagonise just inquisitive is all! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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Excuse me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming that you're English? If this is the case can I ask why it bothers you one way or another whether Scotland votes Yes or No? It's not a question asked to antagonise just inquisitive is all!"
I live in england... american born.....
does it bother me if you go... no
does the whole debate interest me... yep, why not...
live in the north east, and yes people here would be affected probably more than other parts of the country... for example if scotland, got rid of the airplane emissions levy... that would basically kill off teeside and newcastle airport.....
the best comparison i use to describe the situation to people in the US is that at the moment is it the same relationship that the "states" themselves have to washington dc... in that the states themselves decide things at a local level.. and congress decides thing at the national levels
a lot of the arguements about greater power i don't get.. because you already have that power, you already get to decide who governs locally at a local level (something I believe the north east was mad to turn down when they had a chance of a regional assembly)
Northern ireland get to govern locally at a local level.... wales gets to govern locally at a locally level...
a lot of the "westminster" bashing is unwarrented because the decisions are made locally... but it happens to be a convienient excuse..... if something is going right then maybe they should be scrutinised more
Do i personally think you'd be better for leaving... nope... it's like when people in texas talk about sussceding from the union.... madness! especially since no one wants to confront the topic of plan b....
I watched the debate yesterday... I wanted to hear what the other option would be...
If I could hear someone say "this is actually the worst that could happen if we go" and people are prepared to say I can live with that... then cool, but everyline so far it's "this is the rosy garden we will be living in!" |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Ecks a balloon. He will destroy this country so its a big no from me and everybody else I know..ukok!
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It isn't about Salmond ffs.... it's about being able to decide which party within Scotland governs Scotland....
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nice speech... one tiny problem with it
you already decide that! its called the scottish parliament... you know... that thing you have been voting on for the last 20 years...... the thing that has an SNP majority rule.... and decide how things are already spent in scotland on a local scottish level
agriculture, fisheries and forestry, economic development, education, environment, food standards, health, home affairs, Scots law – courts, police and fire services, local government, sport and the arts, transport, training, tourism, research and statistics and social work.
Excuse me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming that you're English? If this is the case can I ask why it bothers you one way or another whether Scotland votes Yes or No? It's not a question asked to antagonise just inquisitive is all!"
For a question not asked to antagonise it does a good job of being antagonistic. It's also symptomatic of the 'what's it go to do with you?' attitude of some narrow minded Scots. |
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I would vote yes purely because I want ALL aspects of the governance of Scotland to be determined by representatives elected by the people of Scotland, not only those judged by a "kindly patriarch" government to be within our capabilities. Since 1959 the Conserative party have had absolutely no mandate in Scotland yet in that time Scotland has been governed and subject to the policies of numerous Conservative governments. That to me is not democracy! |
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"Ecks a balloon. He will destroy this country so its a big no from me and everybody else I know..ukok!
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It isn't about Salmond ffs.... it's about being able to decide which party within Scotland governs Scotland....
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nice speech... one tiny problem with it
you already decide that! its called the scottish parliament... you know... that thing you have been voting on for the last 20 years...... the thing that has an SNP majority rule.... and decide how things are already spent in scotland on a local scottish level
agriculture, fisheries and forestry, economic development, education, environment, food standards, health, home affairs, Scots law – courts, police and fire services, local government, sport and the arts, transport, training, tourism, research and statistics and social work.
Excuse me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming that you're English? If this is the case can I ask why it bothers you one way or another whether Scotland votes Yes or No? It's not a question asked to antagonise just inquisitive is all!
For a question not asked to antagonise it does a good job of being antagonistic. It's also symptomatic of the 'what's it go to do with you?' attitude of some narrow minded Scots."
An opinion you're entitled to but not one I'd agree with. Narrow minded? Can I ask what would merit such a personal slur? Perhaps that I have an opinion or position that differs from your own? The gentleman in question was kind enough to answer the question in the spirit in which it was intended. Do me a favour bud....wind yer f$&@ing neck in! |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Ecks a balloon. He will destroy this country so its a big no from me and everybody else I know..ukok!
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It isn't about Salmond ffs.... it's about being able to decide which party within Scotland governs Scotland....
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nice speech... one tiny problem with it
you already decide that! its called the scottish parliament... you know... that thing you have been voting on for the last 20 years...... the thing that has an SNP majority rule.... and decide how things are already spent in scotland on a local scottish level
agriculture, fisheries and forestry, economic development, education, environment, food standards, health, home affairs, Scots law – courts, police and fire services, local government, sport and the arts, transport, training, tourism, research and statistics and social work.
Excuse me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming that you're English? If this is the case can I ask why it bothers you one way or another whether Scotland votes Yes or No? It's not a question asked to antagonise just inquisitive is all!
For a question not asked to antagonise it does a good job of being antagonistic. It's also symptomatic of the 'what's it go to do with you?' attitude of some narrow minded Scots.
An opinion you're entitled to but not one I'd agree with. Narrow minded? Can I ask what would merit such a personal slur? Perhaps that I have an opinion or position that differs from your own? The gentleman in question was kind enough to answer the question in the spirit in which it was intended. Do me a favour bud....wind yer f$&@ing neck in!"
There we go. I disagree so the abuse starts. Typical Cybernat tactics. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"If, as the Separitists insist, this isn't about Salmond; why is HE debating Darling?
It should be campaign leader v campaign leader.
Darling is the leader of better together campaign "
And his opposite number at the Separatists is Dennis Canavan - not Eck.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ecks a balloon. He will destroy this country so its a big no from me and everybody else I know..ukok!
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It isn't about Salmond ffs.... it's about being able to decide which party within Scotland governs Scotland....
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nice speech... one tiny problem with it
you already decide that! its called the scottish parliament... you know... that thing you have been voting on for the last 20 years...... the thing that has an SNP majority rule.... and decide how things are already spent in scotland on a local scottish level
agriculture, fisheries and forestry, economic development, education, environment, food standards, health, home affairs, Scots law – courts, police and fire services, local government, sport and the arts, transport, training, tourism, research and statistics and social work.
Excuse me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming that you're English? If this is the case can I ask why it bothers you one way or another whether Scotland votes Yes or No? It's not a question asked to antagonise just inquisitive is all!
For a question not asked to antagonise it does a good job of being antagonistic. It's also symptomatic of the 'what's it go to do with you?' attitude of some narrow minded Scots.
An opinion you're entitled to but not one I'd agree with. Narrow minded? Can I ask what would merit such a personal slur? Perhaps that I have an opinion or position that differs from your own? The gentleman in question was kind enough to answer the question in the spirit in which it was intended. Do me a favour bud....wind yer f$&@ing neck in!
There we go. I disagree so the abuse starts. Typical Cybernat tactics."
Would you not say that judging someone who you don't know, have never met and never engaged with previously as being "narrow minded" to be abuse then? As for your assumption that I am a "Cybernat" until such times as you stand next to me at the ballot box you have absolutely no idea what my politics are and would do well not to make such ill informed judgements! |
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over a year ago
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mmmm im off to put the lottery on , I must be lucky as fuck , cos I spend 25% of my time in London and always manage to pass Scottish notes , even Clydesdale bank one,s! |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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For a question not asked to antagonise it does a good job of being antagonistic. It's also symptomatic of the 'what's it go to do with you?' attitude of some narrow minded Scots.
An opinion you're entitled to but not one I'd agree with. Narrow minded? Can I ask what would merit such a personal slur? Perhaps that I have an opinion or position that differs from your own? The gentleman in question was kind enough to answer the question in the spirit in which it was intended. Do me a favour bud....wind yer f$&@ing neck in!
There we go. I disagree so the abuse starts. Typical Cybernat tactics.
Would you not say that judging someone who you don't know, have never met and never engaged with previously as being "narrow minded" to be abuse then? As for your assumption that I am a "Cybernat" until such times as you stand next to me at the ballot box you have absolutely no idea what my politics are and would do well not to make such ill informed judgements!"
No.
Like most Fabsters our interaction is mostly about posts on the Forums. I've read yours and still by my narrow minded assessment. |
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No.
Like most Fabsters our interaction is mostly about posts on the Forums. I've read yours and still by my narrow minded assessment."
You read one post I made and jumped to an ill informed conclusion and thus by definition are showing yourself to be the very thing you accuse me of. You "cry" about personal abuse yet it's a tactic which you seem to utilise all too readily to put your point across, smacks of hypocrisy in my opinion! |
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Excuse me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming that you're English? If this is the case can I ask why it bothers you one way or another whether Scotland votes Yes or No? It's not a question asked to antagonise just inquisitive is all!
I live in england... american born.....
does it bother me if you go... no
does the whole debate interest me... yep, why not...
live in the north east, and yes people here would be affected probably more than other parts of the country... for example if scotland, got rid of the airplane emissions levy... that would basically kill off teeside and newcastle airport.....
the best comparison i use to describe the situation to people in the US is that at the moment is it the same relationship that the "states" themselves have to washington dc... in that the states themselves decide things at a local level.. and congress decides thing at the national levels
a lot of the arguements about greater power i don't get.. because you already have that power, you already get to decide who governs locally at a local level (something I believe the north east was mad to turn down when they had a chance of a regional assembly)
Northern ireland get to govern locally at a local level.... wales gets to govern locally at a locally level...
a lot of the "westminster" bashing is unwarrented because the decisions are made locally... but it happens to be a convienient excuse..... if something is going right then maybe they should be scrutinised more
Do i personally think you'd be better for leaving... nope... it's like when people in texas talk about sussceding from the union.... madness! especially since no one wants to confront the topic of plan b....
I watched the debate yesterday... I wanted to hear what the other option would be...
If I could hear someone say "this is actually the worst that could happen if we go" and people are prepared to say I can live with that... then cool, but everyline so far it's "this is the rosy garden we will be living in!""
Amazing - not sure if it makes me laugh it cry that one if the best and most coherent statements about the independence debate comes from an American living in England instead of from within those campaigning!
Brilliant |
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Amazing - not sure if it makes me laugh it cry that one if the best and most coherent statements about the independence debate comes from an American living in England instead of from within those campaigning!
Brilliant "
Totally agree |
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"No from me purely based on lack of positive info from the yes camp eg pensions, infrastructure (passports, driving licences, armed force etc). But if I'm honest I wish I did not have to vote for either camp, as it's been said before we're screwed either way lol
So your happy with the way the country is currently run? We arent in this together they rule us! Only we can change this and change our country"
But the thing is we DO run Scotland. We have (I'll admit) limited taxation powers and as stated a control over most home matters in Scotland (more than the Welsh assembly gets), but no member of government will open say "we're raising tax by XYZ to pay for ...." because it's a a death sentence to their term in office. I can't mind what it is now but it was 3p in every pound which could be raised when the parliament first came in, and as far as I remember none of the parliaments in Scotland have raised it (again, not to sure so if I got that wrong sorry)
I would gladly vote yes IF the yes camp could give me strong definitive answers to the points I raised. But until they do I am in the No camp.
Personally though I think we should a "federal UK" where the only things controlled by the central government are foreign relations, defence, passports. Then each nation set it's on tax levels, health care budget etc. this would also get rid of Scottish mp's voting on matters which only concern England and Wales. |
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