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By *omma49 OP Man
over a year ago
GLASGOW |
Woman in South Shields, batters another woman, and racially abuses her, the woman was a native of Glasgow, police charged her and the judge gave her two years in jail, for assault and the verbal abuse
I and my brother get racially abused here in Glasgow the Procurator Fiscal wouldnt prosecute the moron who abused my brother and I 3 yrs ago, so much for a tough stance on racial abuse by the SNP!!!! |
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over a year ago
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By *omma49 OP Man
over a year ago
GLASGOW |
Clever bugger knowing how to copy and paste lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sorry. To hear that my freind but unfortunately. In law in this country. And probably. Worse in others someone. Always. Gets the shitty end of the stick. |
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By *omma49 OP Man
over a year ago
GLASGOW |
captain jack much obliged to you anyways  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"captain jack much obliged to you anyways "
i nonScots catholic i feel your frustration Tomma |
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Link to the South Shields Case Tomma... Were the women Scottish/English... or Caucasian/Ethnic?
Not saying its here, but far too many people raise the "racial' card... when... it simply isnt racial at all.
Seems that you cant have a disagreement with someone now of a different race/religion/colour without it been racially motivated.
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Each case will I'm sure be _iewed by its own merits by the court and if a judge deems it not to be racial abuse he must have had a reason for doing so.
But without full facts cant really comment any further.
But no one should be abused in any way shape or form for any reason. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Each case will I'm sure be _iewed by its own merits by the court and if a judge deems it not to be racial abuse he must have had a reason for doing so.
But without full facts cant really comment any further.
But no one should be abused in any way shape or form for any reason. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Depends on how things go as to whether it's racial. If it's just a fight, then it's a plain fight, but if you start to use racial/ethnic/religious slurs, then it becomes a hate crime. |
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U say the woman was south shields (newcastle area ). The other glasgow origin . Where was the offence |
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Also , what was the racial abuse towards yourselves, . Also like to point out the example you gave there was assault aswell as verbal |
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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago
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"Woman in South Shields, batters another woman, and racially abuses her, the woman was a native of Glasgow, police charged her and the judge gave her two years in jail, for assault and the verbal abuse
I and my brother get racially abused here in Glasgow the Procurator Fiscal wouldnt prosecute the moron who abused my brother and I 3 yrs ago, so much for a tough stance on racial abuse by the SNP!!!! "
Were you and your brother beat up??
And what racial abuse? |
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Friendly foe lol ill take bets on this 1  |
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By *omma49 OP Man
over a year ago
GLASGOW |
the police officers charged him with racially aggravated breach of the peace, and rightly so- the police case was rock solid, they had corroboration from an independent witness so what happened to us was bollocks, |
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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago
In a crisp poke on the A814 |
I agree what happened to you was bollox....
But you cant compare the two!
The woman was beat up!! |
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By *omma49 OP Man
over a year ago
GLASGOW |
re: my posting, this south shields woman told the glasgow woman: go back to where you came from, that is exactly what was said to us, which is bloody ludicrous, as my dads cousins, were scottish, and irish, scotland is my ancestral home whether people like it, or not
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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago
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re: your OP...
The woman was battered  |
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By *omma49 OP Man
over a year ago
GLASGOW |
the Op misses the point altogether- I do not condone what happened to this woman, it was outrageous that she was assaulted my point was she got justice for what happened to her, a thorough investigation by 2 police officers, brought us nothing the law failed my brother and I |
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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago
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"the Op misses the point altogether- "
He sure did!!  |
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Ok seen as you chose not to answer any question , lol , i take it the example you gave happened in south shields , where was your eh incident |
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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago
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"Ok seen as you chose not to answer any question , lol , i take it the example you gave happened in south shields , where was your eh incident"
Il take a guess and say Scotland  |
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"Ok seen as you chose not to answer any question , lol , i take it the example you gave happened in south shields , where was your eh incident
Il take a guess and say Scotland "
So one in england , one in scotland , 2 diff laws, yet he chooses to bring the snp into his comparissons |
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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago
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So one in england , one in scotland , 2 diff laws, yet he chooses to bring the snp into his comparissons"
I did wonder what the SNP had to do with it...
But then I realised I didnt really care |
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By *omma49 OP Man
over a year ago
GLASGOW |
the SNP is the ruling party, which probably explains why the country is as badly run as it is- bring back the Labour party is all I can say |
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By *omma49 OP Man
over a year ago
GLASGOW |
funny how Op choose to criticise me, yet they have me on block- lol |
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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago
In a crisp poke on the A814 |
"funny how Op choose to criticise me, yet they have me on block- lol"
YOU are the OP
Unblock yourself |
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Could i ask where your abuse took place, |
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By *omma49 OP Man
over a year ago
GLASGOW |
was at the taxi rank at buchanan bus station, police did their job, but my brother and I, were let down by a lousy justice system, |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Was the abuse physical, verbal or both tomma ? |
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By *omma49 OP Man
over a year ago
GLASGOW |
the police charged him with racially aggravated breach of the peace, didnt strike out- but nobody, deserves to be told: go back to where you came from, geordies are closer to scottish folks than anyone i know of, just shows the ignorance of the man |
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As much as I am against the SNP and Salmond.... I cant really see what the SNP have to do with this.
Yes, they are the governing party at the time but the laws set down in Scotland (and england) were there many years before the SNP were in power. The police and the justice system were just following guidance/laws already set.
If you think that the law is better in England and you would of had a better experience there... Theres a simple solution.......
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By *omma49 OP Man
over a year ago
GLASGOW |
should i go back to england where I belong! i have earned my place in scotland, whether certain people like it or not- I am here as long as I wish to be, nobody dictates where I go EVER!! |
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"should i go back to england where I belong! i have earned my place in scotland, whether certain people like it or not- I am here as long as I wish to be, nobody dictates where I go EVER!!"
Nope.... I meant you should become an MP and get it changed.... with all the fault been blamed on the SNP and Salmond...maybe you could make a change?
Of course I wouldnt say go and live in England, wouldnt want anyone thinking that was racist. |
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Im confused how you have earned your place, did you lose the the english one, |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"was at the taxi rank at buchanan bus station, police did their job, but my brother and I, were let down by a lousy justice system, "
Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me. Grow a pair. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Im fairly happy with the last 5 years of SNP government, I used to vote labour but I cannot stand Johann Lamont and seriously cannot see her doing any good for Scotland.
I consider the Country badly run due to Westminster, Cameron, Miliband, Clegg, Ed Balls, George Osborne and all the other millionaire cronies who use their MP roll as a "status symbol".
The Scottish government is limited to what it can do and also limited with the funds it receives.
If you think things are tough now, just wait until all the miss-guided vote no and win the better together campaign on 18th September, the following few years will be hell for Scotland and Westminster will crucify us, wait and watch.
And if any Tories here do you seriously think Ruth Davidson could do better
I will be voting yes on the 18th as I believe in the Scottish people, regardless of who is voted into power the following year.
And one thing the SNP has done, is deliver the promise of the vote for Independence,
Do you really think Westminster will allow a vote on Europe, lets wait and see, I suspect we will wait a long long time |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Im fairly happy with the last 5 years of SNP government, I used to vote labour but I cannot stand Johann Lamont and seriously cannot see her doing any good for Scotland.
I consider the Country badly run due to Westminster, Cameron, Miliband, Clegg, Ed Balls, George Osborne and all the other millionaire cronies who use their MP roll as a "status symbol".
The Scottish government is limited to what it can do and also limited with the funds it receives.
If you think things are tough now, just wait until all the miss-guided vote no and win the better together campaign on 18th September, the following few years will be hell for Scotland and Westminster will crucify us, wait and watch.
And if any Tories here do you seriously think Ruth Davidson could do better
I will be voting yes on the 18th as I believe in the Scottish people, regardless of who is voted into power the following year.
And one thing the SNP has done, is deliver the promise of the vote for Independence,
Do you really think Westminster will allow a vote on Europe, lets wait and see, I suspect we will wait a long long time"
with the greatest of respect this isnt an indy ref thread, maybe stick to commenting on the justice/court system. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"the SNP is the ruling party, which probably explains why the country is as badly run as it is- bring back the Labour party is all I can say "
I don't like the SNP but Labour? Tired of the establishment as they no longer represent you whether you like it or not. We need something different and rid ourselves of them once and for all. They'll attempt to cling on at whatever cost.
It is wrong what you experienced but it's nothing to do with the SNP likely the people handling it. |
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I take it the case was thrown out by the Procurators Fiscal office as a no proceedings? Doesn't matter if there is all the evidence in the report confirming a good case, they have to consider various factors, is this in the best public interest, what is the likelihood of a successful prosecution, what is the court caseload currently.......you get my drift. It's not that they don't take the case seriously. The case the OP originally referred to involved, I believe, a physical assault. Being verbally abused is not pleasant in the slightest, but there was no actual bodily harm. Big difference between the two situations and not a fair comparison IMO. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Why bring it up now if it happened 13 years ago? Just curious... |
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"Why bring it up now if it happened 13 years ago? Just curious..."
Was 3 years ago Miss Bentley  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why bring it up now if it happened 13 years ago? Just curious..."
I think it was 3 years ago, the I immediately preceding the 3 is a letter, not a number. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why bring it up now if it happened 13 years ago? Just curious...
Was 3 years ago Miss Bentley "
Silly me lol but even so same question, if 3 yrs ago why bring it up now? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why bring it up now if it happened 13 years ago? Just curious...
I think it was 3 years ago, the I immediately preceding the 3 is a letter, not a number. "
Yes I see now where I got it wrong lol but still wasn't recent so Im still wondering.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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with the greatest of respect this isnt an indy ref thread, maybe stick to commenting on the justice/court system. "
I was replying to comments made by the originator of this thread, if the person who made this thread quotes & makes comments on parties in power, I am entitled to stick in my 2p worth as reply, this is a forum and due to being a forum everyone is entitled to their individual _iew otherwise it would not be a forum, and as so my comment above was justified. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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with the greatest of respect this isnt an indy ref thread, maybe stick to commenting on the justice/court system.
I was replying to comments made by the originator of this thread, if the person who made this thread quotes & makes comments on parties in power, I am entitled to stick in my 2p worth as reply, this is a forum and due to being a forum everyone is entitled to their individual _iew otherwise it would not be a forum, and as so my comment above was justified."
easy tiger
just for clarity, the comments by the op have nothing to do with the indy ref, they are an attempt to link a decision made within the justice system to a political party.
if your response had made any mention of this then it would be justifiable on this thread.
while you are correct about being entitled to express your _iews, there comes with that the obligation to do so at an appropriate time and in an appropriate place, in this case an indy ref thread. |
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I think going by other postings by the op , that there are underlying proffessional issues to be addressed  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Tbh I think that the op was just looking for a reason to have a rant against the SNP rather than anything else. |
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"Tbh I think that the op was just looking for a reason to have a rant against the SNP rather than anything else. "
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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago
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Beat me down if I am wrong (and I probably am), but has there not always been a difference in laws between Scotland and England???
OP, you are English, yet choose to live in Scotland, thereby "accepting" the Scottish justice system... |
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"Beat me down if I am wrong (and I probably am), but has there not always been a difference in laws between Scotland and England???
OP, you are English, yet choose to live in Scotland, thereby "accepting" the Scottish justice system..."
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By *araidWoman
over a year ago
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Definition of racism
'Conduct, words or practices which disadvantage or advantage people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin. It can be subtle or overt, intentional or unwitting.'
Now I'm confused - since both the victim and the perpetrator(s) were white and british - where is the racial aggravation?
Dreadful incident I agree, but racism?
Lets keep the names for the very heinous crimes they are there to address please folks. Racism is a dreadful crime - a fight with name calling between two white Brits on a Glasgow Street is just that - assault/Breach of the peace. |
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By *araidWoman
over a year ago
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Definition of racism
'Conduct, words or practices which disadvantage or advantage people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin. It can be subtle or overt, intentional or unwitting.'
Now I'm confused - since both the victim and the perpetrator(s) were white and british - where is the racial aggravation?
Dreadful incident I agree, but racism?
Lets keep the names for the very heinous crimes they are there to address please folks. Racism is a dreadful crime - a fight with name calling between two white Brits on a Glasgow Street is just that - assault/Breach of the peace."
I agree totally...I was always under the impression that race meant ethnicity. My feelings are that it greatly trivialises real racist crimes for incidents such as these to be so labelled. |
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By *araidWoman
over a year ago
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"Definition of racism
'Conduct, words or practices which disadvantage or advantage people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin. It can be subtle or overt, intentional or unwitting.'
Now I'm confused - since both the victim and the perpetrator(s) were white and british - where is the racial aggravation?
Dreadful incident I agree, but racism?
Lets keep the names for the very heinous crimes they are there to address please folks. Racism is a dreadful crime - a fight with name calling between two white Brits on a Glasgow Street is just that - assault/Breach of the peace.
I agree totally...I was always under the impression that race meant ethnicity. My feelings are that it greatly trivialises real racist crimes for incidents such as these to be so labelled. "
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"Definition of racism
'Conduct, words or practices which disadvantage or advantage people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin. It can be subtle or overt, intentional or unwitting.'
Now I'm confused - since both the victim and the perpetrator(s) were white and british - where is the racial aggravation?
Dreadful incident I agree, but racism?
Lets keep the names for the very heinous crimes they are there to address please folks. Racism is a dreadful crime - a fight with name calling between two white Brits on a Glasgow Street is just that - assault/Breach of the peace.
I agree totally...I was always under the impression that race meant ethnicity. My feelings are that it greatly trivialises real racist crimes for incidents such as these to be so labelled. "
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This was a Breach of the Peace, plain and simple, not racial at all, hence why it was treated as such.
There are too many people that jump on the racial bandwagon to either provoke a response or inflame a less minor incident |
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"Definition of racism
'Conduct, words or practices which disadvantage or advantage people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin. It can be subtle or overt, intentional or unwitting.'
Now I'm confused - since both the victim and the perpetrator(s) were white and british - where is the racial aggravation?
Dreadful incident I agree, but racism?
Lets keep the names for the very heinous crimes they are there to address please folks. Racism is a dreadful crime - a fight with name calling between two white Brits on a Glasgow Street is just that - assault/Breach of the peace.
I agree totally...I was always under the impression that race meant ethnicity. My feelings are that it greatly trivialises real racist crimes for incidents such as these to be so labelled. "
Totally agree.
The racism card is played far too many times and in completely the wrong circumstances. Thus, it waters down any genuine complaints of racism that is abhorrent.
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Angus & Findhorn |
deal with it at the time, then leave it in the past.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Woman in South Shields, batters another woman, and racially abuses her, the woman was a native of Glasgow, police charged her and the judge gave her two years in jail, for assault and the verbal abuse
I and my brother get racially abused here in Glasgow the Procurator Fiscal wouldnt prosecute the moron who abused my brother and I 3 yrs ago, so much for a tough stance on racial abuse by the SNP!!!! "
Did you or your brother get "battered"? Or was it only verbally? |
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