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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

BBC2. Track it down on iPlayer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Really interested in watching it Onny.... but can't find it. Any clues?

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Sorry. That was unintentionally cryptic.

It's at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03vmb0s

Remember it was made before tonight's revelation that Osborne will announce that Scotland can't use Sterling at the weekend.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ffs Onny.....its the blooming referendum

again!!!!! I thought it was going to be a historical tour of Scotland's battle sites!! No offence blondes but this brunette just had one of your moments!!

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Relax. There'll be plenty of tickets for Bannockburn 700.

Only 2,000 of the 45,000 tickets available have been sold and the head honcho is going to resign tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You gloat about the most pathetic things sometimes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Scaremongering bully boy tactics by London.....when Scotland gains independence it will be in Londons best interest to form a currency union and they know it

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"You gloat about the most pathetic things sometimes.

Merely passing on information.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You gloat about the most pathetic things sometimes.

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By *ky HookMan over a year ago

Dundee

"Ffs Onny.....its the blooming referendum

again!!!!! I thought it was going to be a historical tour of Scotland's battle sites!! No offence blondes but this brunette just had one of your moments!!

Jintz dont fret yourself. I came to the same conclusion myself. I know its a century this year since the great war started. And it is seven times that since Bannock Burn. And which site would make the #1slot? Bannock Burn, Culloden Moor, Prestonpans, Flodden, Falkirk, Stirling Brig, Killiecrankie, Dunsinane, Inverness, Haughs of Cromdale? Ok Ive listed 10. Not in order btw if anyone would like to do so giving reasons and replacing any as you see fit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Speaking of battlegrounds are there any fellow fabbers who, like myself, are into metal detecting?

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

I reckon Flodden has to be the most important 'Scottish' battle, even though it was fought in Northumberland.

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By *ky HookMan over a year ago

Dundee

"I reckon Flodden has to be the most important 'Scottish' battle, even though it was fought in Northumberland."

Thanks for the correction Onny could remember where exactly Flodden was

ok so only 9 in the list. But why would you say that my error was the most important of the ones I mentioned?

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"I reckon Flodden has to be the most important 'Scottish' battle, even though it was fought in Northumberland.

Thanks for the correction Onny could remember where exactly Flodden was

ok so only 9 in the list. But why would you say that my error was the most important of the ones I mentioned?"

It was the only error. All the rest were in Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I made the same mistake.

Thought it was a historical film and as a Scottish Historian I was looking forward to watching

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"I reckon Flodden has to be the most important 'Scottish' battle, even though it was fought in Northumberland.

Thanks for the correction Onny could remember where exactly Flodden was

ok so only 9 in the list. But why would you say that my error was the most important of the ones I mentioned?"

Flodden marked the beginning of the end of Scotland as it had been known.

Normally I'd be delighted at the demise of a monarch and so many of the 'nobility' but 16th century Scotland it was a different matter. Flodden took our bravest and our best and led to 1603 and ultimately 1707.

+ I can just about knock out the Flo'ors o the Forest on the chanter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Scotland was sold to England for a handful of gold by Scottish 'nobility' in order to recoup their losses on the Darien Scheme in Central America. Would their dead ancestors have done anything differently?

So- wasn't a battlefield as such, but was a killing field so I nominate Darien Peninsula (even tho not in Scotland)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/independent-scotland-will-not-be-allowed-to-use-british-oxygen-2014021283498

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scaremongering bully boy tactics by London.....when Scotland gains independence it will be in Londons best interest to form a currency union and they know it"

Could say exactly the same about SNP bullying, ie. if you don't let us use sterling then Scotland won't pay their share of the national debt!

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Scotland was sold to England for a handful of gold by Scottish 'nobility' in order to recoup their losses on the Darien Scheme in Central America. Would their dead ancestors have done anything differently?

So- wasn't a battlefield as such, but was a killing field so I nominate Darien Peninsula (even tho not in Scotland)

Of course we'll never know what their ancestors would have done but, had they lived, Scotland could have been a very different country and Darien might never have come about.

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Could say exactly the same about SNP bullying, ie. if you don't let us use sterling then Scotland won't pay their share of the national debt!"

I would hardly call that bullying. The

pound belongs to us. I'd they are seriously going to try to stop us using it then it's only fair to say "no asset share, no debt share." Ask anyone who has been divorced if they'd expected to lose the house but still pay the mortgage. It's not bullying, it's sticking up for yourself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Could say exactly the same about SNP bullying, ie. if you don't let us use sterling then Scotland won't pay their share of the national debt!

I would hardly call that bullying. The

I'm no fan of George Osborne but you're basically saying (in my view) if Osborne threatens not to share the pound it's bullying, if Salmond says don't share and we won't pay our share of the debt it's not bullying, it's sticking up for yourself. I'd agree right enough that maybe neither is bullying when I think about it but there's no denying one is as bad as the other in this particular case. Youre obviously we'll read on the subject but really don't seem to be capable in all the threads re the broad subject of independence that you've posted in to see anything negative in anything the SNP say or do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The concept of a Scottish colony in the West failed as a result of greed, stupidity, poor judgement and English/monarchical bullying.

Pretty much the same as Flodden, tbh.

No matter how flawed we perceive it to be, modern politics has to be a much better way forward.

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Listen I hear what you are saying but my point is that the yes campaigns view from the start is that a currency union works best for all concerned and let's have an amicable settlement and pay our share of the debt. And now we are getting this threat - vote yes and we will damage your economy (not to mention their own). Had the yes side initially stated "we are leaving and we are taking out assets and leaving the debt" I'd actually have no choice but to agree with you on the bullying thing. But the went for fairness straightaway. Give us what's ours and we will pay what we owe. And we will be civil to each other and continue to trade etc. But there comes a point where you have to stand up for yourself. What's the yes sides alternative here? Allow unelected Tories in Westminster to decide what assets of ours we get to keep?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course we'll never know what their ancestors would have done but, had they lived, Scotland could have been a very different country and Darien might never have come about."

Ancestors are the people who come BEFORE you. Try Descendants.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Could say exactly the same about SNP bullying, ie. if you don't let us use sterling then Scotland won't pay their share of the national debt!

I would hardly call that bullying. The

In the increasingly unlikely event of a yes vote in the Separendum, there'll be a period of time whilst 'negotiations' go on.

During that time, Scotland's income will come, as now, via the Treasury. An unwillingness to accept a fair share of the national debt might result in an unwillingness to share the nation's booty.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Of course we'll never know what their ancestors would have done but, had they lived, Scotland could have been a very different country and Darien might never have come about.

Ancestors are the people who come BEFORE you. Try Descendants."

I think you need a new bucket.

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

An unwillingness to accept a fair share of the national debt might result in an unwillingness to share the nation's booty."

Seriously? You inhabit a universe that is different from this one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Looking at your earlier analogy about divorce. It's ok for Scotland to say let's be nice about this and share but it's Scotland (some of Scotland) who's the one who wants to leave this 'marriage' so why should the UK just agree to that. Maybe, like in many divorces they'll cut of their noses to spite their face but it's their choice if they want to do that and you'll definitely correct me if I'm wrong but if they actually do say no what's the SNP plan for Scotland's currency?

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

An unwillingness to accept a fair share of the national debt might result in an unwillingness to share the nation's booty.

Seriously? You inhabit a universe that is different from this one. "

You're getting your pantyhose in a twist again .

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

HM Treasury has already guaranteed the entire national debt, including Scotland's 'share'.

Were Salmond to default it'd be more than just cutting off his nose.

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

If we are continuing with the broken marriage trend then isn't is worrying that last week we were being begged by Cameron to stay (we love you scotland!) and now we are being threatened? Does the sound like a particularly wealthy marriage?

As for what will we do if they formally rule it out? I don't know. One thing is for sure though - it's a bluff. Osborne is going "all in" and he doesn't exactly have a winning hand. As much as I'd love to see Yes saying okay we will just keep our Scottish pound and peg it to sterling and ram your debt up your hole, I can't see it. People have even attracted to the positivity of Yes, and that would be messy. As with a lot of this it is all political posturing. If Yes did say that, you'd see backtracking of the highest order from Osborne. Scotland, all the oil, no debt and law on their side? But realistically, I'd wait and see what language is used tomorrow. This is a major gamble by a panicked Westminster who are so out of touch they don't realise how badly this rhetoric will play in Scotland.

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

You're getting your pantyhose in a twist again ."

You were good in this I have to say. Exactly as I imagined you too.

http://youtu.be/dHW-RDJOJTo

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Continuing to bury your head in the sand isn't good for your posterior.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So Duncan, in effect what you and the SNP are saying is it's a bluff, they won't do it and you're probably right but if they do (and I meant the UK Govt, not the SNP) cut off their nose to spite their face Indepenent Scotland really has no alternative plan?

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Nicola Sturgeon"there is no plan B".

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"So Duncan, in effect what you and the SNP are saying is it's a bluff, they won't do it and you're probably right but if they do (and I meant the UK Govt, not the SNP) cut off their nose to spite their face Indepenent Scotland really has no alternative plan?"

Of course there is an alternative. We carry in using the Scottish pound and peg it to sterling. We can then gradually move to our own currency. You won't hear yes Scotland say this though, I wouldn't imagine. Just like you won't hear Osborne publically admit that a currency union would be the preferred option in the event of a yes vote. It's politics.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ok, it's just you said two posts ago 'As for what will we do if they formally rule it out? I don't know' but now your saying we simply 'peg' the Scottish pound to sterling. Sounds dead easy but I have not a clue what that means but I'll go look it up.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Stewart Hosiery "there is no plan B".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I just want to add here that there have been quite a few different referendum connected posts with lots of opposing views and some narky and heated moments. I'm not particularly a political animal but I think it's been great!

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Ok. I meant what we say. I expect the language tomorrow will be vague (words like "unlikely" and lots of "ifs") but if they come out and say "there is not a chance whatsoever of a currency union" then pressure will be on Yes to say something. That I don't know. The purpose of this is to move Yes from positive and self assured to negative and panicky. I'm not sure how they will play it. Like I say, it's a massive gamble from is Osborne and it's way to soon.

Oh and peg just means to do it up the ass with a strap on. No, wait. Sorry. It means to tie our currency to theirs so that it always has the same exchange rate.

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"I just want to add here that there have been quite a few different referendum connected posts with lots of opposing views and some narky and heated moments. I'm not particularly a political animal but I think it's been great!"

Agreed. Whatever happens in this referendum, we are all gonna have a much better idea of GDP and macro economics etc! I think it's an amazing thing that's happening in Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh and peg just means to do it up the ass with a strap on. No, wait. Sorry. It means to tie our currency to theirs so that it always has the same exchange rate. "

But can we just do that just because we want to? Surely if countries can just peg their current to another without their consent, as it were then why don't all the countries with terrible currency rates just 'peg' their currency to a successful one?

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Oh and peg just means to do it up the ass with a strap on. No, wait. Sorry. It means to tie our currency to theirs so that it always has the same exchange rate. "

That's a rather lengthy retraction, dontcha think?

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Agreed. Whatever happens in this referendum, we are all gonna have a much better idea of GDP and macro economics etc! I think it's an amazing thing that's happening in Scotland. "

Just like when Rangers went tits-up the entire population became experts in corporate insolvency - not!

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

They do!! Think about it. Money is just paper that we agree has a value. No one can stop you using whatever you like as long as everyone agrees what it is worth. As far as I am aware china peg their currency to the dollar!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That really sounds very simplistic and I'd need to be convinced. Why do so many countries have terrible currency rates etc when they can just say, right, let's peg our currency to the dollar.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

You can't spend Chinese money in a gas station in Wisconsin.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Speaking of battlegrounds are there any fellow fabbers who, like myself, are into metal detecting?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course we'll never know what their ancestors would have done but, had they lived, Scotland could have been a very different country and Darien might never have come about.

Ancestors are the people who come BEFORE you. Try Descendants.

I think you need a new bucket."

I'll get a new bucket if you promise to kick it.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Of course we'll never know what their ancestors would have done but, had they lived, Scotland could have been a very different country and Darien might never have come about.

Ancestors are the people who come BEFORE you. Try Descendants.

I think you need a new bucket.

I'll get a new bucket if you promise to kick it."

And if I miss it and accidentally kick your arse?

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

You can't spend Chinese money in a gas station in Wisconsin."

Why in earth would you need to? If you Chinese on holiday in the US then you would change currency. Unless you are a neighbouring country and huge trading partners of each other then you should probably have just agreed on a currency uni.... Oh wait.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

You can't spend Chinese money in a gas station in Wisconsin.

So a 'Scottish' pound, (pegged to Sterling) would have to be changed for genuine Sterling before it could be spent in England?

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Bottom line is, for Westminster to come out and categorically remove any chance of a currency union would be a major major gamble and seriously flawed logic. Businesses won't like it, the markets won't like it.

Funny thing is, ladbrokes are still giving away free money (if you believe there won't be a currency union, that is.)

Let's see what is said tomorrow. I expect softened language.

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

So a 'Scottish' pound, (pegged to Sterling) would have to be changed for genuine Sterling before it could be spent in England?"

Well unless businesses down south agreed for the common good to just accept them. After all, the currency will be backed by an economy stronger than their own!

More likey is that a currency union is agreed on the 19th sept.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Bottom line is, for Westminster to come out and categorically remove any chance of a currency union would be a major major gamble and seriously flawed logic. Businesses won't like it, the markets won't like it.

Funny thing is, ladbrokes are still giving away free money (if you believe there won't be a currency union, that is.)

Let's see what is said tomorrow. I expect softened language. "

What the markets don't like is uncertainty.

Gideon, who I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw him, is at least removing the uncertainty.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

So a 'Scottish' pound, (pegged to Sterling) would have to be changed for genuine Sterling before it could be spent in England?

Well unless businesses down south agreed for the common good to just accept them. After all, the currency will be backed by an economy stronger than their own!

More likey is that a currency union is agreed on the 19th sept."

Ye reckon? Eck will have set sail for Rockall by the 19th.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I could have been persuaded to vote yes at some point. I believe if Scotland went independent we would not fall off the end of the world.

However I am not convinced that the benefits of leaving the union are greater than staying within the UK.

I don't believe the UK is bullying Scotland by stating that we cannot have a currency union because they must do the best thing for the what is left of the UK.

I have heard the SNP state over and over again that there is not a plan B !!! Sorry but that is not good planning or leadership to me !!!

My most important worry is that if Scotland do walk away from the UK I will have left my pension contributions behind me.

The pension experts state that pension schemes for workers in foreign countries must be fully funded, my companies pension scheme at present is not fully funded. This is Euro law not something west minster made up. It does concern me when experts state facts the Scottish government just dismiss them as wrong !!!! So I am worried about that !!! So if Scotland do walk away debt free I cannot see the UK government being desperate to pay out pensions north of the border !!!

Will Scotland have enough money in the pot to pay my state pension as everything is gonna be a free bribe !!!!

These are just some of my concerns that have not been addressed and until they are I will not vote with my nationalistic head on but my selfish look after my self head on !!!!

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"I could have been persuaded to vote yes at some point. I believe if Scotland went independent we would not fall off the end of the world.

However I am not convinced that the benefits of leaving the union are greater than staying within the UK.

I don't believe the UK is bullying Scotland by stating that we cannot have a currency union because they must do the best thing for the what is left of the UK.

I have heard the SNP state over and over again that there is not a plan B !!! Sorry but that is not good planning or leadership to me !!!

My most important worry is that if Scotland do walk away from the UK I will have left my pension contributions behind me.

Will Scotland have enough money in the pot to pay my state pension as everything is gonna be a free bribe !!!!

These are just some of my concerns that have not been addressed and until they are I will not vote with my nationalistic head on but my selfish look after my self head on !!!!

A currency union is what is best for the rest if the uk. Scotland is it's 2nd biggest trading partner so to put up a currency barrier will cost money on both side. Totally unnecessary.

The lack of plan B is politics. Westminster cannot admit that they would want a currency union after a yes vote as it validates a yes vote. It makes it a possibility. In the same way, yes won't admit they have a plan B as it gives the opposing view validation. Annoying but that's politics I'm afraid.

As for your pension, why wouldn't it be paid? I'm certain you have this wrong and I'd recommend you get clarity on this before making up your mind. Your company would have to pay you what you are due regardless of what country you are from and the Scottish government have guaranteed your state pension. Remember, out finances are a lot better than the uk's so you'd get it in the uk, then you will get it in Scotland!

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

I've just heard Salmond plans to put a boom across Faslane and hold the subs to ransom.

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By *issyForDommeTV/TS over a year ago

glasgow

So a 'Scottish' pound, (pegged to Sterling) would have to be changed for genuine Sterling before it could be spent in England?"

What's the difference to that and now, it's near enough impossible just now to spend Scottish sterling notes in England as it is-we still need to change them cause the idiots down there seem to have a problem with them! lol

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

So a 'Scottish' pound, (pegged to Sterling) would have to be changed for genuine Sterling before it could be spent in England?

That's not been the case for a very long time and calling the English 'idiots' isn't helpful.

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By *issyForDommeTV/TS over a year ago

glasgow

So a 'Scottish' pound, (pegged to Sterling) would have to be changed for genuine Sterling before it could be spent in England?

That's not been the case for a very long time and calling the English 'idiots' isn't helpful."

I still hear friends say that they have trouble using their Scottish notes south of the border!

Also it seems pretty idiotic to me for a retailer to loose business by not accepting a legal tender note! Plus if you don't like my comment then report me and get me ban, until then I'll say what i want!

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Cybernat tempers appear to be getting frayed.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple over a year ago

chesterfield

So a 'Scottish' pound, (pegged to Sterling) would have to be changed for genuine Sterling before it could be spent in England?

That's not been the case for a very long time and calling the English 'idiots' isn't helpful.

I still hear friends say that they have trouble using their Scottish notes south of the border!

Just to let you know, I'm an idiot that accepts Scottish notes in my business and I don't know any of us idiots who don't accept them.

Out of curiosity, does anyone north of the border believe that the remainder of the uk should have a vote about a currency union with Scotland or should we do as we are told?

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

So a 'Scottish' pound, (pegged to Sterling) would have to be changed for genuine Sterling before it could be spent in England?

That's not been the case for a very long time and calling the English 'idiots' isn't helpful.

I still hear friends say that they have trouble using their Scottish notes south of the border!

Just to let you know, I'm an idiot that accepts Scottish notes in my business and I don't know any of us idiots who don't accept them.

Out of curiosity, does anyone north of the border believe that the remainder of the uk should have a vote about a currency union with Scotland or should we do as we are told?"

According to the White Paper, Salmond gets to decide and everyone else just lumps it.

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Just to let you know, I'm an idiot that accepts Scottish notes in my business and I don't know any of us idiots who don't accept them.

Out of curiosity, does anyone north of the border believe that the remainder of the uk should have a vote about a currency union with Scotland or should we do as we are told?"

As a businessman in England it will be in your best interests to have a currency union with Scotland so your elected government will very likely make that decision on your behalf.

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

According to the White Paper, Salmond gets to decide and everyone else just lumps it."

You are quite possibly the most ill informed person i've seen on this entire debate. You should read more and post less.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So a 'Scottish' pound, (pegged to Sterling) would have to be changed for genuine Sterling before it could be spent in England?

That's not been the case for a very long time and calling the English 'idiots' isn't helpful.

I still hear friends say that they have trouble using their Scottish notes south of the border!

Nonsence. I have lived in England over 18 years and worked in public customer service retail type rolls. I never have a prob other than the odd joke about it. If Scots got the chips off their shoulder we could all be more pleasant to each other at times. At times I am embarrassed by my fellow Scots. Just as I'm sure many English folk are at times

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By *picyspiregirlCouple over a year ago

chesterfield

Just to let you know, I'm an idiot that accepts Scottish notes in my business and I don't know any of us idiots who don't accept them.

Out of curiosity, does anyone north of the border believe that the remainder of the uk should have a vote about a currency union with Scotland or should we do as we are told?

As a businessman in England it will be in your best interests to have a currency union with Scotland so your elected government will very likely make that decision on your behalf. "

Thank you for that. So as a business WOMAN and being in England, I am to be denied the chance to debate the issue, a chance given to you, and I am expected to be dictated to without the chance to voice my opinions?

P.s. I find it a little derogatory for me to be told what is in my best interest, I believe I may know my interests better than you but thank you for your concern.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Just to let you know, I'm an idiot that accepts Scottish notes in my business and I don't know any of us idiots who don't accept them.

Out of curiosity, does anyone north of the border believe that the remainder of the uk should have a vote about a currency union with Scotland or should we do as we are told?

As a businessman in England it will be in your best interests to have a currency union with Scotland so your elected government will very likely make that decision on your behalf.

P.s. I find it a little derogatory for me to be told what is in my best interest, I believe I may know my interests better than you but thank you for your concern."

That's how the SNP treat people.

Uncle Alex knows best.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

lets compare wee eck with Kim Jung ill

They are/were both short arses

They both live in the North of their country

They are both trained economists

They both know/knew everything about everyting.

Anyone who disagrees with them is quite simply wong.

When does wee eck start killing folks?

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Just to let you know, I'm an idiot that accepts Scottish notes in my business and I don't know any of us idiots who don't accept them.

Out of curiosity, does anyone north of the border believe that the remainder of the uk should have a vote about a currency union with Scotland or should we do as we are told?

As a businessman in England it will be in your best interests to have a currency union with Scotland so your elected government will very likely make that decision on your behalf.

P.s. I find it a little derogatory for me to be told what is in my best interest, I believe I may know my interests better than you but thank you for your concern."

Eh? Apart from accidentally calling you a businessman rather than a business woman, I'm not sure what I've said that was so offensive to you.

Governments we elect make the decisions on this. That's not derogatory that's just the way it works.

I'm not saying you can debate the issue at all! My opinion is that it is indeed in your best interest to have a currency union if you, in England, and doing business in Scotland. This is because of the cost of transactions.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Just to let you know, I'm an idiot that accepts Scottish notes in my business and I don't know any of us idiots who don't accept them.

Out of curiosity, does anyone north of the border believe that the remainder of the uk should have a vote about a currency union with Scotland or should we do as we are told?

As a businessman in England it will be in your best interests to have a currency union with Scotland so your elected government will very likely make that decision on your behalf.

P.s. I find it a little derogatory for me to be told what is in my best interest, I believe I may know my interests better than you but thank you for your concern.

Eh? Apart from accidentally calling you a businessman rather than a business woman, I'm not sure what I've said that was so offensive to you.

Governments we elect make the decisions on this. That's not derogatory that's just the way it works.

Both governments were elected. I'd rather have neither but there we are.

Both governments have a voice. One government says No.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"lets compare wee eck with Kim Jung ill

They are/were both short arses

They both live in the North of their country

They are both trained economists

They both know/knew everything about everyting.

Anyone who disagrees with them is quite simply wong.

When does wee eck start killing folks?"

Hahahaha spot on lol.

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By *awk3y3Man over a year ago

West Lothian

Just a different perspective

Scotland would not need permission to continue using the pound despite the Chancellor's view on the issue, and could continue with the currency in the same way countries like Panama and Ecuador use the US dollar, Sam Bowman from the Adam Smith Institute said today.

An independent Scotland would not need England’s permission to continue using the pound sterling, and in fact would be better off using the pound without such permission.

There is very little that an English government would actually be able to do to stop Scottish people from continuing to use the pound sterling if they wanted to.

Scotland’s position would be closer to that of countries like Panama, Ecuador and El Salvador, which use the US Dollar without American “permission”, and, according to research by the Federal Reserve of Atlanta, consequentially have far more prudent and stable financial systems than if they were part of a formal currency union.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"lets compare wee eck with Kim Jung ill

They are/were both short arses

They both live in the North of their country

They are both trained economists

They both know/knew everything about everyting.

Anyone who disagrees with them is quite simply wong.

When does wee eck start killing folks?"

When he gets hungry.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"BBC2. Track it down on iPlayer."

Repeated now. BBC2 Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Could say exactly the same about SNP bullying, ie. if you don't let us use sterling then Scotland won't pay their share of the national debt!"

How does pointing out that they can't have it both ways constitute bullying? Especially compared to "Do want we want or we'll punish you and us"?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"lets compare wee eck with Kim Jung ill

They are/were both short arses

They both live in the North of their country

They are both trained economists

They both know/knew everything about everyting.

Anyone who disagrees with them is quite simply wong.

When does wee eck start killing folks?"

Nice to see the Unionists maintain their usual level of perspicacious, mature and balanced debate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"lets compare wee eck with Kim Jung ill

They are/were both short arses

They both live in the North of their country

They are both trained economists

They both know/knew everything about everyting.

Anyone who disagrees with them is quite simply wong.

When does wee eck start killing folks?

Nice to see the Unionists maintain their usual level of perspicacious, mature and balanced debate.

Nice to see the separatist sense of humour has been maintained ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You can't spend Chinese money in a gas station in Wisconsin.

So a 'Scottish' pound, (pegged to Sterling) would have to be changed for genuine Sterling before it could be spent in England?"

Pretty much the same just now anyway....ever tried to use a Clydesdale bank tenner in a shop in England?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's see what is said tomorrow. I expect softened language......

So much for that theory !!!

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Well, now we know.

What was that about plan B?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If we vote yes we will all be able to use the pound or any other currency we choose that will not stop.

What the UK is not letting Scotland do is have influence when setting interest rates , state borrowing etc.

Why would the UK let Scotland potentially damage the union that it has just left ????

If Scotland does walk away leaving the debt behind it would be increadably difficult to raise money on the international markets as we would have already defaulted on the UK debt, the markets would use this as an excuse for charging ridiculous rates of interest !!!

I find it interesting that the SNP are not turning to Europe for assistance on the currency problem or are they not admitting that the help would not be forth coming !!!!

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By *addie bunnetMan over a year ago

glasgow

who told you that or is it just your opinion

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

I find it interesting that the SNP are not turning to Europe for assistance on the currency problem or are they not admitting that the help would not be forth coming !!!!"

No doubt they'll turn to their 'friends in the North'.

What's Norwegian for 'fuck off Alex'?

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By *andACouple over a year ago

glasgow

Have the SNP asked any of the credit agencies what Scotlands credit rating would be post independence?

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By *ompip3Couple over a year ago

Paisley

You can't spend Chinese money in a gas station in Wisconsin.

So a 'Scottish' pound, (pegged to Sterling) would have to be changed for genuine Sterling before it could be spent in England?

Pretty much the same just now anyway....ever tried to use a Clydesdale bank tenner in a shop in England?"

So true!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have the SNP asked any of the credit agencies what Scotlands credit rating would be post independence?"

A good question as we are going to have to raise our own funds through bond sales !!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why is my bedroom not listed

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By *aveandSue1Couple over a year ago

Doncaster

"Scaremongering bully boy tactics by London.....when Scotland gains independence it will be in Londons best interest to form a currency union and they know it

Could say exactly the same about SNP bullying, ie. if you don't let us use sterling then Scotland won't pay their share of the national debt!"

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By *andACouple over a year ago

glasgow

"Have the SNP asked any of the credit agencies what Scotlands credit rating would be post independence?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have the SNP asked any of the credit agencies what Scotlands credit rating would be post independence?

you would need to ask the SNP for this pressing answer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ffs Onny.....its the blooming referendum

again!!!!! I thought it was going to be a historical tour of Scotland's battle sites!! No offence blondes but this brunette just had one of your moments!!

Surely some of the Govan pubs should be on the list?

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has said it would be "extremely difficult, if not impossible" for an independent Scotland to join the European Union.

Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr show he said independent Scotland would have to apply for membership and get the approval of all current member states.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26215963

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Onny has it not occurred to you yet that mr Barroso is fighting his own campaign to be re-elected to his position as president of the European commission.

As a result he is taking every opportunity for political posturing and grandstanding that he can find.

As i pointed out about a week ago there are conflicting opinions from the leading members of the commission, and we should wait for the report from their legal consultation on the issue which is due very soon.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Onny has it not occurred to you yet that mr Barroso is fighting his own campaign to be re-elected to his position as president of the European commission.

As a result he is taking every opportunity for political posturing and grandstanding that he can find.

The SNP are on pretty thin ice when it comes to legal opinion which they claim to have - yet don't.

"Alex Salmond spent nearly £20,000 trying to hide the fact that the Scottish government did not take any independent legal advice on Scotland's potential European Union membership as an independent country.

The Scottish First Minister launched a legal battle to overturn an order from the Scottish Information Commissioner to reveal what legal opinion he took to back up claims an independent Scotland would automatically be a member of the European Union.

However, he later backed as deputy Scottish minister Nicola Sturgeon admitted that total cost of the legal challenge was £19,452.92."

That £19k is thought to roughly the cost to the taxpayer of his new trews.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Onny has it not occurred to you yet that mr Barroso is fighting his own campaign to be re-elected to his position as president of the European commission.

As a result he is taking every opportunity for political posturing and grandstanding that he can find.

The SNP are on pretty thin ice when it comes to legal opinion which they claim to have - yet don't.

However, he later backed as deputy Scottish minister Nicola Sturgeon admitted that total cost of the legal challenge was £19,452.92."

That £19k is thought to roughly the cost to the taxpayer of his new trews."

_nny why not just be like most of us and say to yourself, ok i will wait for the European commission to publish their position on the issue ?

Instead you want to turn the commissions position into a pathetic attempt to attack ONE party and SINGLE OUT INDIVIDUALS for the sort of behaviour that ALL POLITICIANS AND PARTIES indulge in, and before you point out wee eck lied, show me a politician who doesnt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Onny has it not occurred to you yet that mr Barroso is fighting his own campaign to be re-elected to his position as president of the European commission.

As a result he is taking every opportunity for political posturing and grandstanding that he can find.

What will you say when this report says Scotland will have to negotiate entry, just the same as when anyone disagrees with Yes, say they're wrong, we disagree, we have experts who say otherwise, theyre bullying us? Be nice if, just for once the SNP took one on the chin and admitted they can actually be wrong about something

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

.............

I guess the block capitals show that Barroso's comments have touched a nerve.

I'm not sure the defence of 'it isnae jist me, we're a' lyin' scum' will go down well in Bute House, but it's good to know Eck's footsoldiers admit he's a lying toerag.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Onny has it not occurred to you yet that mr Barroso is fighting his own campaign to be re-elected to his position as president of the European commission.

As a result he is taking every opportunity for political posturing and grandstanding that he can find.

Scotland will have to negotiate in order to be a part of the EU no matter what, the thing that most are failing to understand is not whether we would negotiate but the terms under which it would take place, that is what the commissions legal advice is trying to figure out.

The reality is that none of the EU treaties or articles deal with the independence issue directly, there are two opposing positions one that article 49 applies, this is in relation to external entities seeking to join. The other is that article 48 would apply, on the basis of EU rules which indicate that the EU and the UK have a duty to ensure that all EU citizens living here are protected and maintain their rights to EU citizenship.

As far as what would I say, easily answered, whatever decision the commission decide goes. After all its up to them and EU law how to apply the articles.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

.............

I guess the block capitals show that Barroso's comments have touched a nerve.

I'm not sure the defence of 'it isnae jist me, we're a' lyin' scum' will go down well in Bute House, but it's good to know Eck's footsoldiers admit he's a lying toerag.

no _nny i dont give a monkeys about Barroso's comments and again im at loss as to whether you are deliberately trying to move debate away from the issues and instead to being about personalities, or that you just dont get that i and others are fed up with your inane attempts to attribute behaviours to one side of the debate but not the other.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

.............

I guess the block capitals show that Barroso's comments have touched a nerve.

I'm not sure the defence of 'it isnae jist me, we're a' lyin' scum' will go down well in Bute House, but it's good to know Eck's footsoldiers admit he's a lying toerag.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Onny, where are you going to move to when Independence comes?

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"...........

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It seems only yesterday, ooops, it WAS only yesterday, Eck was assuring us there'd be 'no need for negotiations'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"...........

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It seems only yesterday, ooops, it WAS only yesterday, Eck was assuring us there'd be 'no need for negotiations'."

_nny thats embarrassing, i respond to a question asking what I think regarding the EU, and instead of debating with me you decide to partially quote me and somehow attempt to link my views with Alex Salmonds comments.

I'm pretty sure i'm not him, i do agree with you though that salmon is a slippery fish.

I have told you this before anddespite the fact that you are either unwillinv or unable to understand i will repeat myself, Iam not an snp supporter,like the majority of the population, I am someone with no party allegiance and want an open, honest and well informed debate on the future of our country, without all the personality politics nonsense.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

I struggle to believe the speed at which the Separatists are seeking to disassociate themselves from Eck.

A clear case of rats deserting a sinking shit (sic).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I struggle to believe the speed at which the Separatists are seeking to disassociate themselves from Eck.

A clear case of rats deserting a sinking shit (sic).

boring and predictable _nny, wish i had placed another bet regarding your response could have won myself another 40 quid.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"I struggle to believe the speed at which the Separatists are seeking to disassociate themselves from Eck.

A clear case of rats deserting a sinking shit (sic).

boring and predictable _nny, wish i had placed another bet regarding your response could have won myself another 40 quid.

40 quid Sterling?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I struggle to believe the speed at which the Separatists are seeking to disassociate themselves from Eck.

A clear case of rats deserting a sinking shit (sic).

boring and predictable _nny, wish i had placed another bet regarding your response could have won myself another 40 quid.

40 quid Sterling?"

yawn, like i said before predictable.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I struggle to believe the speed at which the Separatists are seeking to disassociate themselves from Eck.

A clear case of rats deserting a sinking shit (sic).

boring and predictable _nny, wish i had placed another bet regarding your response could have won myself another 40 quid.

40 quid Sterling?

yawn, like i said before predictable."

Bino, even you have to admit, that was quite a sharp retort lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I struggle to believe the speed at which the Separatists are seeking to disassociate themselves from Eck.

A clear case of rats deserting a sinking shit (sic).

boring and predictable _nny, wish i had placed another bet regarding your response could have won myself another 40 quid.

40 quid Sterling?

yawn, like i said before predictable.

Bino, even you have to admit, that was quite a sharp retort lol"

you view it as sharp, my view is its exactly whst i expected as i wrote my post.

In case you missed it i won £40 a week or two ago due to the ease of predicting _nnys responses.

back to the EU question though, my understanding of the whole article 49 issue is that in the event of a yes vote the European parliament would need to decide if Scotland would be considered to be outside the EU, and that would mean that our population no longer being EU citizens and there is conflicting legal opinion over whether that breaches our rights as EU citizens.

so its really a case of whether we would be negotiating from within or without, hopefully the results of the commissions legal consultations clear this up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The SNP keep on about Scotland having been in the EU since the 70's. No we haven't, the united Kingdom has. If you take it to its conclusion then Shetland could ask for its independence from Scotland (which is what some shetlanders want) would they also be able to say they've been members since the 70's?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The SNP keep on about Scotland having been in the EU since the 70's. No we haven't, the united Kingdom has. If you take it to its conclusion then Shetland could ask for its independence from Scotland (which is what some shetlanders want) would they also be able to say they've been members since the 70's?"

yeah you are correct,but try to view this from different perspectives, the UK are the member state with Scotland being a part of the UK, so dependant on how you choose to interpret that statement it is both right and wrong at the same time, each and everyone of us who is a British subject are EU citizens whether we view ourselves as Scottish, English, Welsh,Irish, Shetlander or any other label.

In respect of the shetlands its potentially a big can of worms being opened, But then thats the essence of true democracy, allowing the population to decide their own fate.

unfortunately we are at the mercy of the standard behaviour of our politicians and media, with inaccurate information, mis-information, bias, personality politics etc.

And before anyone pops up with "wee eck says" or "call me dave says" both the yes camp and no camp are equally guilty of this, as are a number of individuals and organisations with a vested interest in the result of the vote.

The results of these behaviours is confusion, fear, conflict and disengagement none of which help anyone decide.

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By *uncan20004Man over a year ago

Glasgow

So the the EU, who have recently granted access to Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia will veto Scotland, the 8th richest country in the world and a country whose citizens are currently EU, on the grounds that we are no longer attached to a country whose finances are worse, deficit is bigger and is currently trying to arrange a referendum to exit the EU.

Right.

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By *awk3y3Man over a year ago

West Lothian

Is there a mechanism within the EU To kick Scotland out post independence ? . . The people in scotland have been covered by the European Union as part of the UK the EU couldn't leave Scotland's people out in the cold and therefore negotiate a new place from within.

Just my tuppence worth in a non legal and non prejudice way

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By *ola cubesMan over a year ago

coatbridge

feek me same pish drivel no matter which thread its on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is there a mechanism within the EU To kick Scotland out post independence ? . . The people in scotland have been covered by the European Union as part of the UK the EU couldn't leave Scotland's people out in the cold and therefore negotiate a new place from within.

Just my tuppence worth in a non legal and non prejudice way

Thats one of the complications, the treaties of the EU dont have a specific section setting out a process to deal with this situation.

As EU citizens we are afforded certain rights and it isnt clear whether the EU would be breaching those rights (which the European commission, parliament and the member nations created) if we are declared as being outside the EU.

This is one of the reasons the commission are seeking legal advice, to give clarity not only to us but all member states.

Not to mention the complex political web of the EU the individual member states.

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By *nny OP Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Just my tuppence worth in a non legal and non prejudice way

Izzat tuppence Sterling?

Will that be another £40 for you bino?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just my tuppence worth in a non legal and non prejudice way

Izzat tuppence Sterling?

Will that be another £40 for you bino?"

yawn

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