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"I dont want to play fair "You get spanked otherwise | |||
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"And I'm NOT voting yes to PP either! "You banned from voting anyway as you talk funny and drink pints of speckled hen  | |||
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"And I'm NOT voting yes to PP either!
You banned from voting anyway as you talk funny and drink pints of speckled hen "She wasn't speckled - she was freckled   | |||
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"As Duncan Ballentyne would say.. . . 'am in' " Good man | |||
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"No chance whatsoever !!! I am not voting to plunge into the great un known !!!!!" Can I ask what concerns you about it? There are a lot of unknowns in the current system. And not a lot of control! | |||
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"There is a reason London wants to keep Scotland in its shackles and it's not for the good of the people up here. Voting no is voting for the tory twats " showing a little bit of bias and lack of understanding voting isnt simply a vote for tory twats 
Its a vote for westminster twats across all the main parties. | |||
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"So what is the point of going Independent ??????" All other factors aside it will be easier for me to smash their back doors in, the parliament that is | |||
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"Not many of my concerns have been addressed by the diddy parliament in Edinburgh.If a Scottish government had been in place for a decent time and had made a difference then I could consider voting yes. The Scottish government has not made the improvements they boast they can make. We have a budget so spend it wisely and show the people over the longer time they can be effective. I do not think borrowing even more money is the way to solve Scotland's problems especially since The Bank of England will have the last say on an independent Scotland's fiscal policy. So what is the point of going Independent ??????" where to start with this 
the scottish parliament havnt addressed your concerns, only you can know that as the rest of us dont know what your concerns are. But give yourself the answer to this question, are your concerns within holyroods remit or are they reserved to westminster ? Add to that does westminster policy prevent holyrood from implementing change to successfully address your concerns.
Scottish government boasts, again you dont specify which improvements you are referring to. If you mean the sort of things we have been hearing about recently then they havnt delivered them because they are talking about what they believe they can do in an independent scotland, without the westminster shackles.
I agree that borrowing isnt the answer to scotlands problems, but then i look at the uk borrowing figures which are now circa £50billion more per year than 5 years ago and ask is this good fiscal policy from the very people who say scotland cant afford to take care of its self ? The words pot and kettle spring to mind.
Bank of england, with the exception of setting interest rates which they already do, nobody can tell us if they would have any other input or not, and if so what that input would be. The reason for this is that it would only become clear after negotiations take place, but that just plays into the hands of scaremongers. | |||
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"Immigration is one of my biggest bugbears and easier to tackle as an independent country than thrust upon us by Europe and westminster. " Eck has insisted there'll be no border controls. If we can't control who arrives from England, how will that tackle immigration? | |||
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"Immigration is one of my biggest bugbears and easier to tackle as an independent country than thrust upon us by Europe and westminster. Eck has insisted there'll be no border controls. If we can't control who arrives from England, how will that tackle immigration?" _nny im begining to think you have a secret crush on mr salmond
the way you insist on lambasting him at every opportunity reminds me of primary school boys pulling the pigtails of girls they fancy 
anyway on to the issue, the snp have not said they will not have border controls. What they have said is that they dont see a need for check points on the border with england.
much the same as the situation between eire and northern ireland for example.
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"I am all for Scotland being Independent, although my biggest worry and main concern with us doing this is:- Who will bail us out if it goes the shape of the pear? The UK just now is in a bad enough state and shape as it is. Can you imagine us standing alone and things not working out right? The pieman and his cronies would have a lot to answer for? Or would we just blame ourselves for voting Yes. Answers on a postcard please!!! " The same people that would bail us out if the UK needed a bail out, the EU. In an independent Scotland will be a much more prosperous nation. It will have a lot of advantages that the likes of Italy, Greece and even our close neighbors in Ireland just dont have. So the chances of it going pear shaped are slim. check out this link for just how wealthy an independent scotland could be. http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/10-key-economic-facts-that-prove-scotland-will-be-a-wealthy-independent-nation/ | |||
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"Immigration is one of my biggest bugbears and easier to tackle as an independent country than thrust upon us by Europe and westminster. Eck has insisted there'll be no border controls. If we can't control who arrives from England, how will that tackle immigration?" The voting public decide how the country is governed once independent they listen, act or get booted at the ballot box. | |||
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"There is most definitely a visible shift toward yes lately. The more people learn about independence and what it means, the more they are open to it. This illusion that we are (a) subsidised from the south or (b) somehow helpless without Westminster is fading by the day and the ludicrous suggestion that we are all blindly basing out futures on the vision of one power obsessed politician is an insult to our collective intelligence. The no camp, as mentioned earlier, are countering strong positive arguments with scare stories and negativity and it's just no longer being bought. The yes camp have activities and events all over Scotland all the time. Better together just can't compete with the enthusiasm of it. I think we are in for a very interesting next 8 months!" lol not hard to see which side of the fence your on and scare stories is that not what your doing right now where are you seeing this visible shift ? let me guess from a poll published by a yes happy campaugn lol must be true. folk are able to make their own choices for my money yes we are subsidised from down south because down south shut this country down years ago oil revenue dont make me laugh its americas maggie sold that off in the eightys i would love to see an independant scotland but right now we couldnt stand on our feet devo max would be my choice allow the country to regenerate then become an independant state when its viable | |||
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"Immigration is one of my biggest bugbears and easier to tackle as an independent country than thrust upon us by Europe and westminster. Eck has insisted there'll be no border controls. If we can't control who arrives from England, how will that tackle immigration? _nny im begining to think you have a secret crush on mr salmond
the way you insist on lambasting him at every opportunity reminds me of primary school boys pulling the pigtails of girls they fancy
anyway on to the issue, the snp have not said they will not have border controls. What they have said is that they dont see a need for check points on the border with england.
much the same as the situation between eire and northern ireland for example.
Try to stop yourself from muddying the waters, theres a good boy. "I was replying to a post suggesting that Separation would make immigration easier to tackle. It won't. It can't because if there's no controls, as Eck insists there won't be, anyone who gets into England can simply stroll into Scotland. | |||
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"It can't because if there's no controls, as Eck insists there won't be, anyone who gets into England can simply stroll into Scotland." Regardless of border control there is other ways to control immigration a primary example being having nothing for the immigrants to come here for. Bringing all the family's over from Europe breeding and fleecing the pockets of the tax payer. | |||
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"It can't because if there's no controls, as Eck insists there won't be, anyone who gets into England can simply stroll into Scotland. Regardless of border control there is other ways to control immigration a primary example being having nothing for the immigrants to come here for. Bringing all the family's over from Europe breeding and fleecing the pockets of the tax payer. " Eck insists a Separate Scotland will be an attractive place to live. If the UK, with all the sophisticated systems they have in place, can't stop the unwanted from getting onto British soil, how can they be stopped from coming to Scotland through an already porous land border? | |||
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"Immigration is one of my biggest bugbears and easier to tackle as an independent country than thrust upon us by Europe and westminster. Eck has insisted there'll be no border controls. If we can't control who arrives from England, how will that tackle immigration? _nny im begining to think you have a secret crush on mr salmond
the way you insist on lambasting him at every opportunity reminds me of primary school boys pulling the pigtails of girls they fancy
anyway on to the issue, the snp have not said they will not have border controls. What they have said is that they dont see a need for check points on the border with england.
much the same as the situation between eire and northern ireland for example.
Try to stop yourself from muddying the waters, theres a good boy.
I was replying to a post suggesting that Separation would make immigration easier to tackle. It won't.
It can't because if there's no controls, as Eck insists there won't be, anyone who gets into England can simply stroll into Scotland."again i will point out that there HAS NOT been any statement saying there will be no BORDER CONTROLS the scottish governments position is there would be no need for CHECK POINTS between Scotland and England all other controls would remain within an immigration policy suitable for Scotlands needs. as for people being able to travel freely from England is that not part of the situation you wish retain. oh and i am aware you were replying to another post, just try to do so accurately instead of using misinformation tactics. | |||
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"It can't because if there's no controls, as Eck insists there won't be, anyone who gets into England can simply stroll into Scotland. Regardless of border control there is other ways to control immigration a primary example being having nothing for the immigrants to come here for. Bringing all the family's over from Europe breeding and fleecing the pockets of the tax payer. Eck insists a Separate Scotland will be an attractive place to live. If the UK, with all the sophisticated systems they have in place, can't stop the unwanted from getting onto British soil, how can they be stopped from coming to Scotland through an already porous land border?" what sophisticated systems ? the uk government dont even have a system to count how many people come and go, they use guesstimates. Would be as well sticking yer erse out the window to see what way the wind is blowing. The current system which uses the IPS is a hit or miss survey which is deployed to a small number of locations for a limited number of hours on a handfull of days each year, the passengers who are approached can simply say they dont want to answer and walk on. even MP's say its not fit for purpose (public admin committee in july last year) makes you wonder about all the rhetoric and hyperbole from the leaders of the main westminster parties and the media. | |||
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"Immigration is one of my biggest bugbears and easier to tackle as an independent country than thrust upon us by Europe and westminster. Eck has insisted there'll be no border controls. If we can't control who arrives from England, how will that tackle immigration? _nny im begining to think you have a secret crush on mr salmond
the way you insist on lambasting him at every opportunity reminds me of primary school boys pulling the pigtails of girls they fancy
anyway on to the issue, the snp have not said they will not have border controls. What they have said is that they dont see a need for check points on the border with england.
much the same as the situation between eire and northern ireland for example.
Try to stop yourself from muddying the waters, theres a good boy.
I was replying to a post suggesting that Separation would make immigration easier to tackle. It won't.
It can't because if there's no controls, as Eck insists there won't be, anyone who gets into England can simply stroll into Scotland.
again i will point out that there HAS NOT been any statement saying there will be no BORDER CONTROLS the scottish governments position is there would be no need for CHECK POINTS between Scotland and England all other controls would remain within an immigration policy suitable for Scotlands needs.
as for people being able to travel freely from England is that not part of the situation you wish retain.
oh and i am aware you were replying to another post, just try to do so accurately instead of using misinformation tactics.
"That's simply nonsense. So there WILL be border controls but NO checkpoints? How will that work? | |||
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"Immigration is one of my biggest bugbears and easier to tackle as an independent country than thrust upon us by Europe and westminster. Eck has insisted there'll be no border controls. If we can't control who arrives from England, how will that tackle immigration? _nny im begining to think you have a secret crush on mr salmond
the way you insist on lambasting him at every opportunity reminds me of primary school boys pulling the pigtails of girls they fancy
anyway on to the issue, the snp have not said they will not have border controls. What they have said is that they dont see a need for check points on the border with england.
much the same as the situation between eire and northern ireland for example.
Try to stop yourself from muddying the waters, theres a good boy.
I was replying to a post suggesting that Separation would make immigration easier to tackle. It won't.
It can't because if there's no controls, as Eck insists there won't be, anyone who gets into England can simply stroll into Scotland.
again i will point out that there HAS NOT been any statement saying there will be no BORDER CONTROLS the scottish governments position is there would be no need for CHECK POINTS between Scotland and England all other controls would remain within an immigration policy suitable for Scotlands needs.
as for people being able to travel freely from England is that not part of the situation you wish retain.
oh and i am aware you were replying to another post, just try to do so accurately instead of using misinformation tactics.
That's simply nonsense.
So there WILL be border controls but NO checkpoints?
How will that work?"try engaging brain _nny, there will be no men in uniform manning a barrier between Scotland and England asking for your paper. But then its not just England that people travel from, our ports will still have migration controls the same as other nations. you have enough intelligence to understand this, and as stated above this situation already exists within the british isles. stop trying to scaremonger, thats a good boy. | |||
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"There's no need for such patronising pish." im finding it fun, stop your biased scaremongering and i wont see any need to challenge your behaviour. you are of course entitled to an opinion but try expressing it without attempting to twist everything and misinform anyone reading these threads. oops thats the only plan from the better together campaign though, do everything possible to confuse the issues and hope that the electorate become disengaged with the process | |||
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"There's no need for such patronising pish. im finding it fun, ......" That doesn't surprise me. Having read your infantile 'contributions' to other threads, I'm just surprised your solitary synapse hasn't given up under the strain. Like all fanatics, you're concealing a secret doubt. | |||
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"There's no need for such patronising pish. im finding it fun, ...... That doesn't surprise me. Having read your infantile 'contributions' to other threads, I'm just surprised your solitary synapse hasn't given up under the strain. Like all fanatics, you're concealing a secret doubt." what exactly am i fanatical about, oh yeah having an honest and unbiased debate on the future of our country without scaremongering or misinformation. come back when you have something to add to the debate that isnt regurgitated from the red tops. | |||
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"There's no need for such patronising pish. im finding it fun, ...... That doesn't surprise me. Having read your infantile 'contributions' to other threads, I'm just surprised your solitary synapse hasn't given up under the strain. Like all fanatics, you're concealing a secret doubt. what exactly am i fanatical about, oh yeah having an honest and unbiased debate on the future of our country without scaremongering or misinformation. come back when you have something to add to the debate that isnt regurgitated from the red tops." . Copying and pasting from the Shite Paper or newsnetscotland doesn't contribute to honest and unbiased debate. | |||
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" fanatics" House! (Chuckles to self after resounding intellectual debating victory) | |||
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"There's no need for such patronising pish. im finding it fun, ...... That doesn't surprise me. Having read your infantile 'contributions' to other threads, I'm just surprised your solitary synapse hasn't given up under the strain. Like all fanatics, you're concealing a secret doubt. what exactly am i fanatical about, oh yeah having an honest and unbiased debate on the future of our country without scaremongering or misinformation. come back when you have something to add to the debate that isnt regurgitated from the red tops.. Copying and pasting from the Shite Paper or newsnetscotland doesn't contribute to honest and unbiased debate." your right, good thing im using a phone with no copy and paste function isnt it | |||
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" Shite Paper" House! (Smiles in satisfaction at skewering another argument so comprehensively.) | |||
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" Shite Paper House! (Smiles in satisfaction at skewering another argument so comprehensively.)" FFS. Get yer ain putdown. Sit back and relax. Haudit's little friend, Doddit, has arrived. | |||
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"Haha putdown. It is the debating equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I?" And you let everyone watch you do it. " I, and the rest of the forum, know exactly what you are. 50% of Tledumb and Tlebumber. | |||
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"Haha putdown. It is the debating equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I?" And you let everyone watch you do it. I, and the rest of the forum, know exactly what you are. 50% of Tledumb and Tlebumber." the predictability of your posts astounds me the only thing that would astound me more would be if you actually debate an issue with someone instead of spout out the usual rhetoric and hyperbole
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"You and Duncan sharing a brain?" and once again _nny adds something constructive to the independance debate. oh i forgot you have already indicated your propensity to knock down rather than be constructive. A true child of westminster. | |||
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"You and Duncan sharing a brain? and once again _nny adds something constructive to the independance debate. oh i forgot you have already indicated your propensity to knock down rather than be constructive. A true child of westminster. "Could you really be anymore pompous and patronising? | |||
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"You and Duncan sharing a brain? and once again _nny adds something constructive to the independance debate. oh i forgot you have already indicated your propensity to knock down rather than be constructive. A true child of westminster.
Could you really be anymore pompous and patronising?"yes if i thought it was worth making an effort | |||
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"You and Duncan sharing a brain? and once again _nny adds something constructive to the independance debate. oh i forgot you have already indicated your propensity to knock down rather than be constructive. A true child of westminster. "You might think it's a dance, the rest of us take it seriously. | |||
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"You and Duncan sharing a brain? and once again _nny adds something constructive to the independance debate. oh i forgot you have already indicated your propensity to knock down rather than be constructive. A true child of westminster.
You might think it's a dance, the rest of us take it seriously."honestly _nny if you were taking this seriously you would engage in debate instead of all the wee eck nonsense you post. | |||
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"You and Duncan sharing a brain? and once again _nny adds something constructive to the independance debate. oh i forgot you have already indicated your propensity to knock down rather than be constructive. A true child of westminster.
Could you really be anymore pompous and patronising?"All bino is wanting is a constructive debate, which _nny is incapable of giving, mostly because the better campaign hasnt offered any constructive debates themsleves. Yes campaign is offering a lot of ideas and plans for the future of Scotland. Better Together campaign offer same old same old a long with all their scare mongering. | |||
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"You and Duncan sharing a brain? and once again _nny adds something constructive to the independance debate. oh i forgot you have already indicated your propensity to knock down rather than be constructive. A true child of westminster.
You might think it's a dance, the rest of us take it seriously.
honestly _nny if you were taking this seriously you would engage in debate instead of all the wee eck nonsense you post."But the Wee Shite is such an obvious target, who wouldn't give him a verbal kicking when the opportunity arises, as it so often does. I note the Cybernats have not only told Anas Sarwar that he's worse than Fred West & Harold Shipman, that he should "go home", that he's a traitor to my "anchesters", but that a lamppost and rope has been allocated for him. | |||
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"You and Duncan sharing a brain? and once again _nny adds something constructive to the independance debate. oh i forgot you have already indicated your propensity to knock down rather than be constructive. A true child of westminster.
You might think it's a dance, the rest of us take it seriously.
honestly _nny if you were taking this seriously you would engage in debate instead of all the wee eck nonsense you post.
But the Wee Shite is such an obvious target, who wouldn't give him a verbal kicking when the opportunity arises, as it so often does.
I note the Cybernats have not only told Anas Sarwar that he's worse than Fred West & Harold Shipman, that he should "go home", that he's a traitor to my "anchesters", but that a lamppost and rope has been allocated for him. "I just googled to see what you were talking about, A few people tweeting him with drivel. Of which nobody in their right mind would condone. But why make it public? Sympathy vote? or is it just to create some publicity so the people in Scotland actually know who he is. Alex Salmond gets called hitler and dictator on a daily basis, dont see him crying about it though eh? | |||
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"You and Duncan sharing a brain? and once again _nny adds something constructive to the independance debate. oh i forgot you have already indicated your propensity to knock down rather than be constructive. A true child of westminster.
You might think it's a dance, the rest of us take it seriously.
honestly _nny if you were taking this seriously you would engage in debate instead of all the wee eck nonsense you post.
But the Wee Shite is such an obvious target, who wouldn't give him a verbal kicking when the opportunity arises, as it so often does.
I note the Cybernats have not only told Anas Sarwar that he's worse than Fred West & Harold Shipman, that he should "go home", that he's a traitor to my "anchesters", but that a lamppost and rope has been allocated for him. "that just says so much about your attitude, im truly embarrassed for you. just because you can doesnt mean you must, have a think about it. as for what anyone posts about anas sarwar thats no way to justify what you do, again have a think about it. And for the record i think anyone posting that sort of bile about mr sarwar should face the consequences through the proper legal channels. Can you tell me where you seen this as i would like to see it for myself. | |||
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"Here is the story he is on about. http://wingsoverscotland.com/cybernat-of-the-week/#more-49009 So have a look everyone. And then decide for yourself. I saw a tweet the other day saying they wished to assiainate Salmond. Didn't hear Salmond mention it once. He just ignored it like he does the rest of the abuse. " So the taliban joke was from a Sheffield United fan from Manchester? LMFAO See why we cant trust any party associated with the UK? Lies upon lies | |||
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"Check Anas Facebook page. These Cybernats are worse than the Ku Klux Klan. Klan, there's an interesting word in this context." you know what _nny, from what i have seen you are either someone who is very coniving and manipulative or you really dont get it that your behaviour is being challenged. in this case you have switched your attention away from mr salmond to people who have abused mr sarwar. your decision to refer to them as cybernats and comparing them with the kkk is obviously a deliberate and thinly veiled way of suggesting that nationalism is akin to racism. behaviour like that will simply earn you more disdain and going by some of the posts i have seen from you in the past i know you are capable of better. poor show sir. | |||
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"Here is the story he is on about. http://wingsoverscotland.com/cybernat-of-the-week/#more-49009 So have a look everyone. And then decide for yourself. I saw a tweet the other day saying they wished to assiainate Salmond. Didn't hear Salmond mention it once. He just ignored it like he does the rest of the abuse. " hmm this makes it look more like a typical bnp/edf type of supporter who has made these comments. Makes the cybernat label look a little bit foolish. assuming that wings over scotland are being honest in their evalution that is. | |||
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"Check Anas Facebook page. These Cybernats are worse than the Ku Klux Klan. Klan, there's an interesting word in this context." tried to check his page but found 3 of them and none of them appeared to have any posts since at least 2012 will try again later as i want to get a balanced account of this. | |||
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"So, the consensus here is that it's OK to threaten to lynch Anas Sarwar. That about sum it up?" Have you looked at the link? | |||
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"So, the consensus here is that it's OK to threaten to lynch Anas Sarwar. That about sum it up? Have you looked at the link?" Yeah. It's shite. Do you thinks it's OK to threaten to lynch Anas? | |||
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"So, the consensus here is that it's OK to threaten to lynch Anas Sarwar. That about sum it up?" where did that come from _nny ? Havnt read any suggestion that its ok to threaten anyone | |||
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"So, the consensus here is that it's OK to threaten to lynch Anas Sarwar. That about sum it up? where did that come from _nny ? Havnt read any suggestion that its ok to threaten anyone " You won't have a problem condemning those who have threatened to lynch Anas then, will you? | |||
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"So, the consensus here is that it's OK to threaten to lynch Anas Sarwar. That about sum it up? where did that come from _nny ? Havnt read any suggestion that its ok to threaten anyone You won't have a problem condemning those who have threatened to lynch Anas then, will you?" Anyone threatening to lynch anyone is unacceptable. Who did this? Anyway. Is independence a good thing for Scotland? Discuss. With reasons. | |||
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"So, the consensus here is that it's OK to threaten to lynch Anas Sarwar. That about sum it up? where did that come from _nny ? Havnt read any suggestion that its ok to threaten anyone You won't have a problem condemning those who have threatened to lynch Anas then, will you?" try reading back up through the thread you will see i already have. sad attempt to twist comments _nny. another poor show. | |||
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"So, the consensus here is that it's OK to threaten to lynch Anas Sarwar. That about sum it up? Have you looked at the link? Yeah. It's shite. Do you thinks it's OK to threaten to lynch Anas?" so whats shite about that link? Seems pretty logical to me, Anas Sarwar attempting to put the blame of racist comments on the Yes campaign but been found out that it was someone living in manchester that has fuck all to do with the Yes campaign. And also very likely English. So does that mean it is a good thing to vote yes so we can get away from racist and abusive people like that? | |||
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"Now, now little ones. There's no need to get angry just cos that nasty Mr Carney stole your scone the other day "answer my question to you _nny | |||
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"Now, now little ones. There's no need to get angry just cos that nasty Mr Carney stole your scone the other day
answer my question to you _nny "About what? | |||
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"Now, now little ones. There's no need to get angry just cos that nasty Mr Carney stole your scone the other day "another thread where you post, get found out then try to change the subject. not clever, can i suggest you change your name to mr celophane because we can see right through you.
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"Now, now little ones. There's no need to get angry just cos that nasty Mr Carney stole your scone the other day
another thread where you post, get found out then try to change the subject.
not clever, can i suggest you change your name to mr celophane because we can see right through you.
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"Now, now little ones. There's no need to get angry just cos that nasty Mr Carney stole your scone the other day
answer my question to you _nny
About what?"This question so whats shite about that link? Seems pretty logical to me, Anas Sarwar attempting to put the blame of racist comments on the Yes campaign but been found out that it was someone living in manchester that has fuck all to do with the Yes campaign. And also very likely English. So does that mean it is a good thing to vote yes so we can get away from racist and abusive people like that? to make it easier for you, there are actually 2 questions. 1. What was shite about that link? 2. And with the person who tweeted that taliban joke being English, does that mean it is a good thing to vote yes so we can get away from racist and abusive people like that? | |||
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