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"Think I'm on the wrong site. I thought this was a swingers site not a political one "
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"check other posts ! and tell me if there all about swinging ???" No there not but your pissing into the wind with this post. Do you honestly think anyone is going to take the advice on politics from some random guy on a swingers forum. We are all big enough and ugly enough to decide for ourselves how we will vote. Threads like this only cause arguing. | |||
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"check other posts ! and tell me if there all about swinging ??? No there not but your pissing into the wind with this post. Do you honestly think anyone is going to take the advice on politics from some random guy on a swingers forum. We are all big enough and ugly enough to decide for ourselves how we will vote. Threads like this only cause arguing. " No they don't.   | |||
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"Threads like this only cause arguing. No they don't. "Oh yes they do | |||
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"check other posts ! and tell me if there all about swinging ??? No there not but your pissing into the wind with this post. Do you honestly think anyone is going to take the advice on politics from some random guy on a swingers forum. We are all big enough and ugly enough to decide for ourselves how we will vote. Threads like this only cause arguing. No they don't. "yes they f@#$&!g do | |||
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"Shakes fist in air,whilst throwing dummy out of pram. No they friggin don't. And I'm having anybody who says otherwise, grrrrrrrrrr. ( )"MON THEN YA BASSA | |||
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"Pmsl this is getting naughty lol " join in anytime you want | |||
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"Shakes fist in air,whilst throwing dummy out of pram. No they friggin don't. And I'm having anybody who says otherwise, grrrrrrrrrr. ( )MON THEN YA BASSA "Your getting chibbed ya tool Young scheme ya bass.
Ps when I say young scheme,that's not strictly true.
It's more middle to old scheme ya bass,but it just didn't have the same ring to it..   | |||
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"Shakes fist in air,whilst throwing dummy out of pram. No they friggin don't. And I'm having anybody who says otherwise, grrrrrrrrrr. ( )MON THEN YA BASSA
Your getting chibbed ya tool
Young scheme ya bass.
Ps when I say young scheme,that's not strictly true.
It's more middle to old scheme ya bass,but it just didn't have the same ring to it.. "bring yer mates pmsl | |||
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"Shakes fist in air,whilst throwing dummy out of pram. No they friggin don't. And I'm having anybody who says otherwise, grrrrrrrrrr. ( )MON THEN YA BASSA
Your getting chibbed ya tool
Young scheme ya bass.
Ps when I say young scheme,that's not strictly true.
It's more middle to old scheme ya bass,but it just didn't have the same ring to it.. bring yer mates pmsl "You've asked for it. As soon as the matron gies us wer wee cup a tea,and biscuit,we're coming right doon there. Prepare for Zimmer shaped bruisin ya eedjit. | |||
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"Shakes fist in air,whilst throwing dummy out of pram. No they friggin don't. And I'm having anybody who says otherwise, grrrrrrrrrr. ( )MON THEN YA BASSA
Your getting chibbed ya tool
Young scheme ya bass.
Ps when I say young scheme,that's not strictly true.
It's more middle to old scheme ya bass,but it just didn't have the same ring to it.. bring yer mates pmsl
You've asked for it.
As soon as the matron gies us wer wee cup a tea,and biscuit,we're coming right doon there.
Prepare for Zimmer shaped bruisin ya eedjit.
"awa ye go ya daftie,youll no catch me with that and youll feel the thick end o ma walking stick | |||
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"Shakes fist in air,whilst throwing dummy out of pram. No they friggin don't. And I'm having anybody who says otherwise, grrrrrrrrrr. ( )MON THEN YA BASSA
Your getting chibbed ya tool
Young scheme ya bass.
Ps when I say young scheme,that's not strictly true.
It's more middle to old scheme ya bass,but it just didn't have the same ring to it.. bring yer mates pmsl
You've asked for it.
As soon as the matron gies us wer wee cup a tea,and biscuit,we're coming right doon there.
Prepare for Zimmer shaped bruisin ya eedjit.
awa ye go ya daftie,youll no catch me with that and youll feel the thick end o ma walking stick "
Ermmm we canny make it anyhow.
The matrons naw letting us oot.
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"Shakes fist in air,whilst throwing dummy out of pram. No they friggin don't. And I'm having anybody who says otherwise, grrrrrrrrrr. ( )MON THEN YA BASSA
Your getting chibbed ya tool
Young scheme ya bass.
Ps when I say young scheme,that's not strictly true.
It's more middle to old scheme ya bass,but it just didn't have the same ring to it.. bring yer mates pmsl
You've asked for it.
As soon as the matron gies us wer wee cup a tea,and biscuit,we're coming right doon there.
Prepare for Zimmer shaped bruisin ya eedjit.
awa ye go ya daftie,youll no catch me with that and youll feel the thick end o ma walking stick
Ermmm we canny make it anyhow.
The matrons naw letting us oot.
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"Pmsl this is getting naughty lol join in anytime you want "I'm up for it.... Bring it lol | |||
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"Pmsl this is getting naughty lol join in anytime you want
I'm up for it.... Bring it lol "firstly is there a matron to stop you? | |||
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"Pmsl this is getting naughty lol join in anytime you want
I'm up for it.... Bring it lol firstly is there a matron to stop you? "Nope | |||
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"Pmsl this is getting naughty lol join in anytime you want
I'm up for it.... Bring it lol firstly is there a matron to stop you?
Nope "right mon then | |||
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"the people that vote no should watch benefit street and see what we are aspiring to.we are nearly there but no quite ..,..wise man he say " fleedom fankyou vely much". . but i think he meant freedom x. x X "Remember Onthank. | |||
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"the people that vote no should watch benefit street and see what we are aspiring to.we are nearly there but no quite ..,..wise man he say " fleedom fankyou vely much". . but i think he meant freedom x. x X
Remember Onthank."ha i cant say where i stay but was in the news of the world as "village of the dammed" or is that damned ?what makes me think that? is there a silent n ?.anyway its no exactly picturesque but g was born here and still love it...another crazy idea that came to me the other day and i thought of this one myself..if you lookat a map of Britain we are smaller than England but no by that much and haven't got round to comparing populations but i bet you will know.i would think that surely we are knocking it off if we separate because England is much more over populated than Scotland..do you get my thinking ..i know im a bit mad but there is a brain in there somewhere .. maybe ?  | |||
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" Do you honestly think anyone is going to take the advice on politics from some random guy on a swingers forum. " | |||
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"Voting no is advocating Cameron and all the tory twats who couldn't give a shit about anything outside London. ......." Cameron and Salmond are two cheeks of the same erse. | |||
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"Voting no is advocating Cameron and all the tory twats who couldn't give a shit about anything outside London. I just don't get how some people have such a low opinion of themselves that they think we are not capable of running our own country effectively." totally agree with u on this | |||
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"Voting no is advocating Cameron and all the tory twats who couldn't give a shit about anything outside London. ....... Cameron and Salmond are two cheeks of the same erse." Youve said something sensible at last _nny
now you still have time to make up your mind based on policy and not personality, same to all wee eck & call me dave haters  | |||
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"its Salmond i have a low opinion of !!! " A vote for independence is not a vote for Salmond - Labour could run an Independant Scotland after the elections in 2016 . . | |||
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"its Salmond i have a low opinion of !!! A vote for independence is not a vote for Salmond - Labour could run an Independant Scotland after the elections in 2016 . . " I wasn't sure but having listened to my daughter's thinking its acted from me and I also agree with the above comment. The transition will take time, but I think Scotland can do it. | |||
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"One of our closest neighbours, Norway, has the THIRD highest standard of living in the world with a smaller population and less resources. ............." House! And the rate of personal taxation is ? | |||
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" House! And the rate of personal taxation is ?" And the average wage is...? And the level of child poverty is...? And the public facilities are...? And the overall happiness if the inhabitants of the country is...? Nothing wrong with aspiring to something better, you know. | |||
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" House! And the rate of personal taxation is ? And the average wage is...? And the level of child poverty is...? And the public facilities are...? And the overall happiness if the inhabitants of the country is...? .......... " I guessed you wouldn't know the answer. | |||
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" House! And the rate of personal taxation is ? And the average wage is...? And the level of child poverty is...? And the public facilities are...? And the overall happiness if the inhabitants of the country is...? .......... I guessed you wouldn't know the answer." Here ye go, though you similarly didn't really counter the argument. UK tax 20% plus 12% NI Norway 28% plus 7% NI Average monthly wage: UK £1.9k Norway £4.3 K Child Poverty: UK 27% Nowrway 10% Other taxes, as with UK many other variables: road fund, alcohol, fuel, electricity etc. They have no council tax however. Take. At source from salary depending where you live. Happiness is generally one of the best globally, though also, they have one if the highest dependency rates of anti depressant use. Similarly, we are high there also. Gimme high taxes any day. Also, watch this: http://youtu.be/dM0JsBjcx2E It's in gaelic with subtitles but exposes some of the 30 year rule docs surrounding the discovery of oil and even as bizarre as the reason Ian Hamilton was never charged with returning the 'Stone' to Scotland. | |||
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"No to independence or Scotland will be ruined ! so Alex Salmond can go down in history !!!" Make me | |||
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"No to independence or Scotland will be ruined ! so Alex Salmond can go down in history !!!" Jeez, the No campaign must be struggling if they think that by trying to influence a group of swingers to vote no that will win the day the day for them. | |||
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"Anyone that votes no because they dont like alex salmond shouldnt be allowed to vote. If there was a Yes vote then the SNP would only be in charge for the transition from being in the UK to full independence. Also the SNP would likely split up after that period. As there are people with all sorts of political beliefs in the SNP united in the belief that an independent Scotland is better for Scotland. Mostly people think alex salmond is full of himself and a liar. I say he is very confident and self assured person and rightfully so as he is 1 of the main reasons we have gotten this vote. And all politicians are liars, so to just brand him with that is ludicrous. Vote yes, for a better Scotland "That post deserves to be saved for posterior. | |||
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"Anyone that votes no because they dont like alex salmond shouldnt be allowed to vote. If there was a Yes vote then the SNP would only be in charge for the transition from being in the UK to full independence. Also the SNP would likely split up after that period. As there are people with all sorts of political beliefs in the SNP united in the belief that an independent Scotland is better for Scotland. Mostly people think alex salmond is full of himself and a liar. I say he is very confident and self assured person and rightfully so as he is 1 of the main reasons we have gotten this vote. And all politicians are liars, so to just brand him with that is ludicrous. Vote yes, for a better Scotland
That post deserves to be saved for posterior."Sometimes predictive text hits the nail on the head. | |||
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"Scotland has ben ruined for a long time now your just a Westminster lover just like the rest of Scotland " Aye, there's not much to compete with a good Scottish education. | |||
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"YYYYYYYYYYAAAAWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN....wrong place for this. Please grow up! Sigh" We can discuss anything we like on the forums, Susan. If you don't want to join in, don't read it. But 'Grow up' is hardly a sensible comment on a discussion about THE most important choice we've ever had to make.
As most will know, I totally disagree with Onny on this matter and, like most Unionists, I find his comments on the matter blinkered, closed-minded and dismissive of Scotland and her ability to run herself. However, I still enjoy debating him on it occasionally and it doesn't affect any other aspect of my interaction with him on this site (not that there's much as he lacks the equipment I like). I doubt it makes much of a difference to anyone else and whether or not they'd bang the living daylights out of one another.
I can understand that you, like many,are bored with the debate. It was another Unionist dirty trick to put people off the debate. The referendum was promised for the end of this parliament. They insisted on bringing it to the front of the agenda as early as possible to scunner people and put them off the idea. Shane it seems to be having the opposite effect on the numbers... | |||
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"................. I can understand that you, like many,are bored with the debate. It was another Unionist dirty trick to put people off the debate. The referendum was promised for the end of this parliament. They insisted on bringing it to the front of the agenda as early as possible to scunner people and put them off the idea. Shane it seems to be having the opposite effect on the numbers... "Haud the bus! You reckon the Unionists chose the date for the Separation referendum? | |||
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"................. I can understand that you, like many,are bored with the debate. It was another Unionist dirty trick to put people off the debate. The referendum was promised for the end of this parliament. They insisted on bringing it to the front of the agenda as early as possible to scunner people and put them off the idea. Shane it seems to be having the opposite effect on the numbers...
Haud the bus!
You reckon the Unionists chose the date for the Separation referendum?"no _nny thats not what he said, but good attempt at misinformation maybe you should be on mr darlings team
the poster was refering to the pro westminster unionist camp who jumped straight in demanding answers as soon as the edinburgh agreement was announced in oct 2012, 23 months before the referendum takes place. Compare this with the standard uk position where it is accepted that there will be 6 weeks of campaigning.
Obviously 6 weeks is not enough in this situation, however there is a massive gulf between the two.
The innevitable outcome being that the public get fed up hearing the same negative rhetoric over and over again and anyone who is politically engaged will know this tends to result in low engagement by the public, which in turns usually ends up with the status quo being maintained.
although im not sure i would agree with him that its having the opposite effect. | |||
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"A YES VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE IS PLUNGING SCOTLAND, INTO POTENTIALLY THE SAME SITUATION THAT HAS HAPPENED IN GREECE, NEAR BANKRUPTCY, PEOPLES SAVINGS BEEN LENT ON TO BAIL THE COUNTRY OUT, INCREASED UNEMPLOYMENT, DO WE REALLY WANT A SCENARIO, LIKE WE HAVE SEEN HAPPEN IN GREECE- PEOPLE WHO VOTE YES BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY CAN TRUST THE SNP TO LOOK AFTER SCOTLAND, ARE FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG, LIKE IT OR NOT, WE NEED A UNITED KINGDOM, SCOTLAND DOESNT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO GO IT ALONE, A NO VOTE, ISN'T BEING ANTI=SCOTTISH, BUT MORE LIKELY SAYING SCOTLAND DOESN'T NEED THE BACKING OF THE UK, WE DO- REMEMBER THE OLD SAYING: SAFETY IN NUMBERS! "you might want to bear in mind that we have already been put in the position of "potential" bankruptcy by the westminster goverment. The relaxation of banking regulations was a result of westminster policy, which led to the collapse of northern rock and a number of other banks almost following them. interestingly the most robust bank in the uk during this period was the airdrie savings bank perhaps that should seen as a better indicator of scottish fiscal responsibility and economics. | |||
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"I dont pretend to understand the scottish mentality,i cant even understand the language,but i read with interest seems to be alot of talk of money and taxes and the like i thought i would see more passion here maybe if we got the option of independence handed to us we would be same but we fought for it. those guys in the trenches didnt look at the favourable german tax system nor did my uncle bill think hed be better off financially under the brittish.heros them all there is more to freedom than pounds and pence or watever u guys use now" Agree but passion won't win votes. The people of Scotland have been ruled by Westminster and fed so much guff through the media that a lot of people actually believe that we "need" another country to survive. It's the strangest thing but it is rife here. It's like Stockholm syndrome. I've lived in Ireland and the sense of confidence is palpable compared to here. We have had "you need London" dripped into our heads out whole lives. If we on the yes side displayed passion first and sensible head second we'd be accused of braveheart style nationalism...actually, hold on... But seriously, I'd vote yes even if we weren't net contributors to the uk economy. We could turn things around and we'd have Scotland back where she belongs. But it just so happens that we contribute more financially than we get back and that is starting to sink in up here. People are starting to get it and the confidence is growing. | |||
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id say most irish would vote to rejoin the u.k now,we so broke
maybe ill keep out of it | |||
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"Maybe ireland isnt the best example of how to manage your own finances after independence
id say most irish would vote to rejoin the u.k now,we so broke
maybe ill keep out of it "Not an example of how to manage finances but certainly an example of a confident independent nation. Ireland recovered from the downturn a lot faster then the UK. Smaller countries can react faster and make necessary changes - Ireland, Iceland etc all richer than the uk. | |||
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"If, IF, Scotland doesn't need the backing of the backing of the UK, there'll be no need for a Sterling zone, will there?" And if there's no need for Scotland to stay, they'd let us go. Right? | |||
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"................. I can understand that you, like many,are bored with the debate. It was another Unionist dirty trick to put people off the debate. The referendum was promised for the end of this parliament. They insisted on bringing it to the front of the agenda as early as possible to scunner people and put them off the idea. Shane it seems to be having the opposite effect on the numbers...
Haud the bus!
You reckon the Unionists chose the date for the Separation referendum?
no _nny thats not what he said, but good attempt at misinformation maybe you should be on mr darlings team
the poster was refering to the pro westminster unionist camp who jumped straight in demanding answers as soon as the edinburgh agreement was announced in oct 2012, 23 months before the referendum takes place. Compare this with the standard uk position where it is accepted that there will be 6 weeks of campaigning.
Obviously 6 weeks is not enough in this situation, however there is a massive gulf between the two.
The innevitable outcome being that the public get fed up hearing the same negative rhetoric over and over again and anyone who is politically engaged will know this tends to result in low engagement by the public, which in turns usually ends up with the status quo being maintained.
although im not sure i would agree with him that its having the opposite effect."Salmond picked the date. Of course we want answers. 600 + pages of coulds, mights and shoulds won't satisfy anyone. | |||
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"Maybe ireland isnt the best example of how to manage your own finances after independence
id say most irish would vote to rejoin the u.k now,we so broke
maybe ill keep out of it
Not an example of how to manage finances but certainly an example of a confident independent nation.
Ireland recovered from the downturn a lot faster then the UK. Smaller countries can react faster and make necessary changes - Ireland, Iceland etc all richer than the uk."House! Another two of the Arc of Insolvency. | |||
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"A YES VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE IS PLUNGING SCOTLAND, INTO POTENTIALLY THE SAME SITUATION THAT HAS HAPPENED IN GREECE, NEAR BANKRUPTCY, PEOPLES SAVINGS BEEN LENT ON TO BAIL THE COUNTRY OUT, INCREASED UNEMPLOYMENT, DO WE REALLY WANT A SCENARIO, LIKE WE HAVE SEEN HAPPEN IN GREECE- PEOPLE WHO VOTE YES BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY CAN TRUST THE SNP TO LOOK AFTER SCOTLAND, ARE FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG, LIKE IT OR NOT, WE NEED A UNITED KINGDOM, SCOTLAND DOESNT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO GO IT ALONE, A NO VOTE, ISN'T BEING ANTI=SCOTTISH, BUT MORE LIKELY SAYING SCOTLAND DOESN'T NEED THE BACKING OF THE UK, WE DO- REMEMBER THE OLD SAYING: SAFETY IN NUMBERS!
you might want to bear in mind that we have already been put in the position of "potential" bankruptcy by the westminster goverment.
The relaxation of banking regulations was a result of westminster policy, which led to the collapse of northern rock and a number of other banks almost following them.
interestingly the most robust bank in the uk during this period was the airdrie savings bank perhaps that should seen as a better indicator of scottish fiscal responsibility and economics."Completely different scenario with regards to the financial climate in each country. Scotland is in a very strong position financially, strong exports, tight government, came out of recession before rUK, higher GDP and tax take than rUK and when Indy happens we'll still share the same strong trading with our neighbours. Greece never had any of that. That's why Greece failed. | |||
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"I dont pretend to understand the scottish mentality,i cant even understand the language,but i read with interest seems to be alot of talk of money and taxes and the like i thought i would see more passion here maybe if we got the option of independence handed to us we would be same but we fought for it. those guys in the trenches didnt look at the favourable german tax system nor did my uncle bill think hed be better off financially under the brittish.heros them all there is more to freedom than pounds and pence or watever u guys use now" fought for it ? "guys in the trenches" perhaps you need to look at the actual history what you want to call a war was nothing more that terrorist attacks (before you say about the easter uprising and other civil uprisings look into scotlands history plenty of these episodes also) on the soverign government officials. independance was handed to the southern states while great britain and those who wanted to be british (and some other terrorists) remained in the northern states as british citizens. scotland has a long history of passion. its now for the people of scotland to make their own choice one based on sound judgement and a clear understanding of the risks and possible hardships it entails not to slap a kilt on and run about shouting frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom | |||
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"People should remember that a vote for Independence is not a vote for Salmond, it is a vote for INDEPENDENCE. It just so happence he is the leader of the party that is pushing for it I have no time for him but have always wanted an Independent Scotland. If we get independence, further elections will follow where you get to choose the party you wish to run the country "Why are the Separatists frantically trying to disown Salmond? | |||
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"People should remember that a vote for Independence is not a vote for Salmond, it is a vote for INDEPENDENCE. It just so happence he is the leader of the party that is pushing for it I have no time for him but have always wanted an Independent Scotland. If we get independence, further elections will follow where you get to choose the party you wish to run the country "Exactly. Thinking back to 97, does anyone say the voted "yes/yes" for Donald dewar? We voted for a Scottish parliament not a person. | |||
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"People should remember that a vote for Independence is not a vote for Salmond, it is a vote for INDEPENDENCE. It just so happence he is the leader of the party that is pushing for it I have no time for him but have always wanted an Independent Scotland. If we get independence, further elections will follow where you get to choose the party you wish to run the country
Why are the Separatists frantically trying to disown Salmond? "
i dont think u r grasping the point _nny this is not about salmond its about us either staying with a westminister goverment who dont give a toss about us or taking the chance to govern ourselfs ,i will be voting yes. | |||
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"People should remember that a vote for Independence is not a vote for Salmond, it is a vote for INDEPENDENCE. It just so happence he is the leader of the party that is pushing for it I have no time for him but have always wanted an Independent Scotland. If we get independence, further elections will follow where you get to choose the party you wish to run the country
Why are the Separatists frantically trying to disown Salmond? "perhaps _nny thats because not everyone who are in favour of independance are conected to the snp and alex salmond
included in the yes camp :
Scottish greens.
scottish socialists.
Wealth nation(all conservative party people).
Radical independance (left wing cross party campaign, mainly labour supporters).
The highland two, jean urquhart and ross finnie who have both left the snp.
dennis canavan, anyone who follows scottish politics will know his political position.
solidarity, tommy sheridans political vehicle.
now that looks like a very broad cross section of scotlands politics. | |||
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"People should remember that a vote for Independence is not a vote for Salmond, it is a vote for INDEPENDENCE. It just so happence he is the leader of the party that is pushing for it I have no time for him but have always wanted an Independent Scotland. If we get independence, further elections will follow where you get to choose the party you wish to run the country
Exactly. Thinking back to 97, does anyone say the voted "yes/yes" for Donald dewar? We voted for a Scottish parliament not a person. "He got a statue and a centre named after him though  | |||
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"People should remember that a vote for Independence is not a vote for Salmond, it is a vote for INDEPENDENCE. It just so happence he is the leader of the party that is pushing for it I have no time for him but have always wanted an Independent Scotland. If we get independence, further elections will follow where you get to choose the party you wish to run the country
Why are the Separatists frantically trying to disown Salmond?
perhaps _nny thats because not everyone who are in favour of independance are conected to the snp and alex salmond
included in the yes camp :
Scottish greens.
scottish socialists.
Wealth nation(all conservative party people).
Radical independance (left wing cross party campaign, mainly labour supporters).
The highland two, jean urquhart and ross finnie who have both left the snp.
dennis canavan, anyone who follows scottish politics will know his political position.
solidarity, tommy sheridans political vehicle.
now that looks like a very broad cross section of scotlands politics. "Oh well, with Shagger Sheridan's mob onboard, what can possibly go wrong? | |||
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"People should remember that a vote for Independence is not a vote for Salmond, it is a vote for INDEPENDENCE. It just so happence he is the leader of the party that is pushing for it I have no time for him but have always wanted an Independent Scotland. If we get independence, further elections will follow where you get to choose the party you wish to run the country
Why are the Separatists frantically trying to disown Salmond?
perhaps _nny thats because not everyone who are in favour of independance are conected to the snp and alex salmond
included in the yes camp :
Scottish greens.
scottish socialists.
Wealth nation(all conservative party people).
Radical independance (left wing cross party campaign, mainly labour supporters).
The highland two, jean urquhart and ross finnie who have both left the snp.
dennis canavan, anyone who follows scottish politics will know his political position.
solidarity, tommy sheridans political vehicle.
now that looks like a very broad cross section of scotlands politics.
Oh well, with Shagger Sheridan's mob onboard, what can possibly go wrong?"how predictable are you, if you cant pick on salmond pick on someone else, that should distract everyone from the truth that the yes vote isnt confined to one party !! Or maybe not | |||
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"People should remember that a vote for Independence is not a vote for Salmond, it is a vote for INDEPENDENCE. It just so happence he is the leader of the party that is pushing for it I have no time for him but have always wanted an Independent Scotland. If we get independence, further elections will follow where you get to choose the party you wish to run the country
Why are the Separatists frantically trying to disown Salmond?
perhaps _nny thats because not everyone who are in favour of independance are conected to the snp and alex salmond
included in the yes camp :
Scottish greens.
scottish socialists.
Wealth nation(all conservative party people).
Radical independance (left wing cross party campaign, mainly labour supporters).
The highland two, jean urquhart and ross finnie who have both left the snp.
dennis canavan, anyone who follows scottish politics will know his political position.
solidarity, tommy sheridans political vehicle.
now that looks like a very broad cross section of scotlands politics.
Oh well, with Shagger Sheridan's mob onboard, what can possibly go wrong?
how predictable are you, if you cant pick on salmond pick on someone else, that should distract everyone from the truth that the yes vote isnt confined to one party !!
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"People should remember that a vote for Independence is not a vote for Salmond, it is a vote for INDEPENDENCE. It just so happence he is the leader of the party that is pushing for it I have no time for him but have always wanted an Independent Scotland. If we get independence, further elections will follow where you get to choose the party you wish to run the country
Why are the Separatists frantically trying to disown Salmond?
perhaps _nny thats because not everyone who are in favour of independance are conected to the snp and alex salmond
included in the yes camp :
Scottish greens.
scottish socialists.
Wealth nation(all conservative party people).
Radical independance (left wing cross party campaign, mainly labour supporters).
The highland two, jean urquhart and ross finnie who have both left the snp.
dennis canavan, anyone who follows scottish politics will know his political position.
solidarity, tommy sheridans political vehicle.
now that looks like a very broad cross section of scotlands politics.
Oh well, with Shagger Sheridan's mob onboard, what can possibly go wrong?
how predictable are you, if you cant pick on salmond pick on someone else, that should distract everyone from the truth that the yes vote isnt confined to one party !!
Or maybe not
Well, if you're going to set up easy targets, you can't be surprised if people knock them down."knocking targets down would be your choice not mine. in that pist we find out more about your agenda and thought process, better to knock down than to build up 
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"I'm 100% positive the Better Together campaign will be successful." that actually made me laugh,the paradox of someone being positive outcome of a negative campaign | |||
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I'm not sure you grasp the notion of paradox."or maybe you dont grasp the common usage of the word paradox to illustrate an outcome which is either ironic or unexpected, being positive about negativity for example. | |||
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"People should remember that a vote for Independence is not a vote for Salmond, it is a vote for INDEPENDENCE. It just so happence he is the leader of the party that is pushing for it I have no time for him but have always wanted an Independent Scotland. If we get independence, further elections will follow where you get to choose the party you wish to run the country "I have quoted that statement so many times yet the debaters fail to grasp it, its really simples | |||
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"No to independence or Scotland will be ruined ! so Alex Salmond can go down in history !!!" theres one flaw in this argument about alex salmond, he has already ensured that he will have a place in the history books. but im interested in whether you have seen the future ? Do you own a modified delorian car ? It would explain your ability to state that without a no vote scotland will be ruined. From what i can see successive westminster governments have made good attempts already | |||
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"YYYYYYYYYYAAAAWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN....wrong place for this. Please grow up! Sigh We can discuss anything we like on the forums, Susan. If you don't want to join in, don't read it. But 'Grow up' is hardly a sensible comment on a discussion about THE most important choice we've ever had to make.
As most will know, I totally disagree with Onny on this matter and, like most Unionists, I find his comments on the matter blinkered, closed-minded and dismissive of Scotland and her ability to run herself. However, I still enjoy debating him on it occasionally and it doesn't affect any other aspect of my interaction with him on this site (not that there's much as he lacks the equipment I like). I doubt it makes much of a difference to anyone else and whether or not they'd bang the living daylights out of one another.
I can understand that you, like many,are bored with the debate. It was another Unionist dirty trick to put people off the debate. The referendum was promised for the end of this parliament. They insisted on bringing it to the front of the agenda as early as possible to scunner people and put them off the idea. Shane it seems to be having the opposite effect on the numbers... "Sorry...but yawn again...... | |||
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"Onny, you're right; Salmond did pick the date. After months of Unionist pressure to do so and childish name calling until he did. SNP policy was to have the referendum "at the end of the next parliament" but your lot constantly badgered for a date from day one. The hope being that the likes of Susan would get bored and disaffected by the debate, preferably then either voting no or not voting at all so they can be claimed as implicit naysayers. Of course, and you're a perfect example, Unionist tactics of juvenile mudslinging, name-calling and refusing to engage in any meaningful debate have continued. I mean, trying to run down the supporters of independence by making a derogatory reference to Tommy Sheridan's swinging proclivities on a swingers'site of which you are a member? Aye, that's going to put the rest of us off him. I said, elsewhere, that I enjoy debating you on this topic, but I'm getting really bored with your constant name-calling, evasions and regurgitating of Bitter Together's oft-discredited lies. Up your game. Or do you, like the rest of the no campaign have no real argument available? "Did that take you a week? | |||
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"I don't live on this site, you know. And was that really all you could come up with? " It was all it was worth. | |||
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"Onny, you're right; Salmond did pick the date. After months of Unionist pressure to do so and childish name calling until he did. SNP policy was to have the referendum "at the end of the next parliament" but your lot constantly badgered for a date from day one. The hope being that the likes of Susan would get bored and disaffected by the debate, preferably then either voting no or not voting at all so they can be claimed as implicit naysayers. Of course, and you're a perfect example, Unionist tactics of juvenile mudslinging, name-calling and refusing to engage in any meaningful debate have continued. I mean, trying to run down the supporters of independence by making a derogatory reference to Tommy Sheridan's swinging proclivities on a swingers'site of which you are a member? Aye, that's going to put the rest of us off him. I said, elsewhere, that I enjoy debating you on this topic, but I'm getting really bored with your constant name-calling, evasions and regurgitating of Bitter Together's oft-discredited lies. Up your game. Or do you, like the rest of the no campaign have no real argument available?
Did that take you a week?"the guy gave u a platform to state your veiws and thats all u could come up with ,i have read all this thread and your comments have been childish,let us here your veiws on why we should stay with a goverment who dont give a toss about us who dont care about child poverty and youth unemployment rising in scotland,its all yours _nny lets here from you why we should vote no. | |||
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"No to independence or Scotland will be ruined ! so Alex Salmond can go down in history !!!" . how very dare you!.i think i will decide who i vote for..ma uncle rab didni get hung drawn and quartered for nuthin . | |||
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"No to independence or Scotland will be ruined ! so Alex Salmond can go down in history !!!. how very dare you!.i think i will decide who i vote for..ma uncle rab didni get hung drawn and quartered for nuthin . "Surely ye mean yer uncle Bill? | |||
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"Onny, you're right; Salmond did pick the date. After months of Unionist pressure to do so and childish name calling until he did. SNP policy was to have the referendum "at the end of the next parliament" but your lot constantly badgered for a date from day one. The hope being that the likes of Susan would get bored and disaffected by the debate, preferably then either voting no or not voting at all so they can be claimed as implicit naysayers. Of course, and you're a perfect example, Unionist tactics of juvenile mudslinging, name-calling and refusing to engage in any meaningful debate have continued. I mean, trying to run down the supporters of independence by making a derogatory reference to Tommy Sheridan's swinging proclivities on a swingers'site of which you are a member? Aye, that's going to put the rest of us off him. I said, elsewhere, that I enjoy debating you on this topic, but I'm getting really bored with your constant name-calling, evasions and regurgitating of Bitter Together's oft-discredited lies. Up your game. Or do you, like the rest of the no campaign have no real argument available?
Did that take you a week?
the guy gave u a platform to state your veiws and thats all u could come up with ,i have read all this thread and your comments have been childish,let us here your veiws on why we should stay with a goverment who dont give a toss about us who dont care about child poverty and youth unemployment rising in scotland,its all yours _nny lets here from you why we should vote no."I'm sorry you feel that way. You are, of course, entitled to hold that opinion. | |||
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"No to independence or Scotland will be ruined ! so Alex Salmond can go down in history !!!. how very dare you!.i think i will decide who i vote for..ma uncle rab didni get hung drawn and quartered for nuthin .
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"The euro isn't a requirement of the eu and it can't be thrust upon us against our will. If you believe it can be, fine. But I believe you will be going to the polls with incorrect information. The union doesn't work for Scotland , it works for London. It sucks our resources, our money and our talent away. This is the chance if a lifetime to make real change in our country. Not just swapping blue for red every 4 years. " Quoting from the EU's own website: "The euro area includes those EU Member States that have adopted the single currency. But the euro area is not static – under the Treaty, all EU Member States have to join the euro area once the necessary conditions are fulfilled, except Denmark and the United Kingdom which have negotiated an 'opt-out' clause that allows them to remain outside the euro area." - Scotland has no such opt-out clause. Possibilities of having an opt-out clause for an independent Scotland were scuttled when the EU said, and I quote "nations wanting to join the EU are forced to “take pretty much what is offered”.", and that any new nations wanting to join "must sign up to the single currency in principle with a view to joining at a later date." It is not my information that is flawed, it is the propaganda you've swallowed. | |||
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" "must sign up to the single currency in principle with a view to joining at a later date." It is not my information that is flawed, it is the propaganda you've swallowed." I know that it is a but complicated. But the bit above is key. In order to join the euro you must be in ERM2. But there is no requirement to join this. You can just state that you will "join at a later date". Like I say, look at Sweden. This is exactly their stance and they have no intention of joining the single currency. There is a reason better together are not shouting from the roof tops that it's euro or nothing. | |||
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"While I am going to vote no to Scottish Independence, I am doing so mostly because I don't think it's been thought through all that fully. A newly independent Scotland would need to apply for EU membership. EU law dictates that new members must adopt the Euro. The Welsh Assembley stated that it would veto Scotland's inclusion into a proposed "Stirling Zone", RBS stated that it would withdraw from Scotland. A lot of work would be needed for Scotland to transition to the Euro (think of all the vending machines, and the exchange of currency for regulars across the border... both ways), which in recent years hasn't proven to be a very reliable currency for a relatively small country to jump into. I see Scotland going the way of Greece after a few years. The oil, sure, you have that for the moment, but eventually that is going to run out, and new sources may not be in Scottish waters, so you may have 40 years of that at most. There are better alternatives to independence that will give the Scottish Government the powers it desires while keeping the benefits of the Union. Giving the Scottish Government the power to set its own taxes and decide what to do with them fully, removing Scottish MP's from Westminster so that the Scottish people do not get a say in the affairs of England, ensuring that only English taxes pay for things in England and only Scottish taxes pay for things in Scotland, while keeping the currency, the armed forces, the jobs that the British Military sends up here such as ship construction and a whole load of others. But all that doesn't matter to me. The main reason I am voting No is because I do not want to be a foreigner in a country that I love." Fair amount in there. EU wise, Scotland technically is already a member as part of the UK, widely accepted, by various people within Brussels, that a transition will be pretty seamless, and more importantly, welcomed. As for the Euro, that's a bit of a myth as far as we are concerned as we'll be sticking with Sterling - despite the scare stories to the contrary 9though part of me wishes they'd just say fuck it and get a Scottish currency then that is out the way - sadly that really would screw the rUK - Sterling is, in the interim, in the best interests for Scotland and the rUK). No one has yet said 'you will not use' only 'unlikely' which is a stalling move by BT. Wales' view was simply what of the Labour First Minister, he's towing the company line fed from London. RBS leaving Scotland? You really think so? how much would that cost in redundancies and the inevitable tribunals and court cases that would ensue because the company didn't want Scotland to be independent? Hardly an economic case. They trade all over the world with no problems - that will continue. Another scare story. Though to be fair if they do want to leave, then fair play. That answers the "Scotland wouldn't be able to bail out RBS' scare story - though even that was a myth as we would have paid the same amount as an Indy country as we did as part of the Union. The analogy with Greece doesn't hold as I mentioned above some posts back. Two completely different economies. Scotland already starts with low unelmployement, high exports and a balance sheet in the black. Greece never had any of that. Oil? sure it will run out. That's not going to just be this country's problem though, that's a global issue. Scotland on the other hand is leading the way in renewables already. There's still at least 50 years oil that's discovered already, enough to get an oil fund behind us - like Norway has - and the UK should have, but it squandered it all. We haven't started on the west coast exploration yet, that's already been discussed now. Your part about Scottish MPs kind of answers the Yes case. We are constantly having things imposed on us that we neither want nor vote for; Tories, wars, bedroomtax, trident (which Labour now want to renew). Ship building is another herring. MOD already has ships being built abroad 'in other countries', why should here be any different? Surely its simply an economic matter rather than the security one banded about. The Scots are hardly going to rig the ships so we can attack rUK. Foreigner in your own country? Not sure I understand that. | |||
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"The euro isn't a requirement of the eu and it can't be thrust upon us against our will. If you believe it can be, fine. But I believe you will be going to the polls with incorrect information. The union doesn't work for Scotland , it works for London. It sucks our resources, our money and our talent away. This is the chance if a lifetime to make real change in our country. Not just swapping blue for red every 4 years. Quoting from the EU's own website: "The euro area includes those EU Member States that have adopted the single currency. But the euro area is not static – under the Treaty, all EU Member States have to join the euro area once the necessary conditions are fulfilled, except Denmark and the United Kingdom which have negotiated an 'opt-out' clause that allows them to remain outside the euro area." - Scotland has no such opt-out clause. Possibilities of having an opt-out clause for an independent Scotland were scuttled when the EU said, and I quote "nations wanting to join the EU are forced to “take pretty much what is offered”.", and that any new nations wanting to join "must sign up to the single currency in principle with a view to joining at a later date." It is not my information that is flawed, it is the propaganda you've swallowed." you are correct that all members except the UK and Denmark are required to join the euro, but there is a vital part of this that everyone overlooks and that is that it is necessary to fulfill the conditions of membership, there is no guarantee that an independent Scotland would do so, making this a bit of a moot point. It would also be worth noting a couple of things: Firstly that Denmark are currently discussing ways to make it possible for them to join the euro. Secondly, the UK has as far as i am aware never been able to fulfill the conditions of membership, missing 4 of 5 in the last 2 years. On that basis alone its no surprise that westminster politics want us all to believe that membership of the euro would be such a terrible thing for the UK. Finally, the euro is now the second largest currency behind the US dollar and will continue to grow as nations grow. On this basis there is a danger that the UK could find itself left out in the cold with the pound potentially finding its influence on global economics being greatly diminished. As far as a sterling zone goes i find it interesting that there is no commitment from the leading UK parties as to their position, instead there is a careful use of language that doesnt rule it out or in. | |||
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here, here. where's all the sex talk happening ? "Everyone knows sex will be so much better in an Independent Scotland. There's been a report on it by the Boaby Council. | |||
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"Think I'm on the wrong site. I thought this was a swingers site not a political one
here, here. where's all the sex talk happening ? "i thought the forum was a place for members of the site to discuss any issues and/or interests which they have a shared interest in. No one is compelled to read every thread, if it doesnt interest you simply move on | |||
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"Think I'm on the wrong site. I thought this was a swingers site not a political one
here, here. where's all the sex talk happening ?
Everyone knows sex will be so much better in an Independent Scotland. There's been a report on it by the Boaby Council.
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" A newly independent Scotland would need to apply for EU membership." The truth of the debate on this subject is that we have been subjected to selective information and the interpretation of the treaties and articles of the EU by a variety of individuals and organisations who for the most part are presenting their opinions and half truths which suit their agendas. The latest one i read was by Graham Avery of the european commission (also responsible for negotiating UK membership of the EU) who says that an independent Scotland could be EU members within 18 months and that the UK government position is both "perplexing" and "absurd" . His colleague in the european commission Manuel Barrosso disagrees with him. We need a clear position set out by the commission, but we can only get that if westminster request the commission to do so. | |||
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"Salmond and his all righteous blinkered cronies are an absolute embarrassment to Scotland. Anyone that seriously considers that lot needs their heads looking at." can i take the opportunity to point out that the referendum is not a personality contest. A yes vote is not an endorsement of mr Salmond in the same way that a no vote is not an endorsement of mr Cameron. | |||
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"Salmond and his all righteous blinkered cronies are an absolute embarrassment to Scotland. Anyone that seriously considers that lot needs their heads looking at." Well there's certainly one of my heads I wouldn't mind being looked it | |||
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" A newly independent Scotland would need to apply for EU membership. The truth of the debate on this subject is that we have been subjected to selective information and the interpretation of the treaties and articles of the EU by a variety of individuals and organisations who for the most part are presenting their opinions and half truths which suit their agendas. ......" Including Mr Salmond who lied for months about having legal opinion in this regard, only to have to hide behind Nicola's skirts when she was sent out to confess that that simply wasn't true. | |||
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" A newly independent Scotland would need to apply for EU membership. The truth of the debate on this subject is that we have been subjected to selective information and the interpretation of the treaties and articles of the EU by a variety of individuals and organisations who for the most part are presenting their opinions and half truths which suit their agendas. ...... Including Mr Salmond who lied for months about having legal opinion in this regard, only to have to hide behind Nicola's skirts when she was sent out to confess that that simply wasn't true." are you ever going to stop trying to make open debate into an alex salmond witchhunt ? I did think that the number of people expressing to you that they are fed up with it would make you think about your approach to the independence debate. | |||
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"Salmond and his all righteous blinkered cronies are an absolute embarrassment to Scotland. Anyone that seriously considers that lot needs their heads looking at." What makes you say that? Democratically independence makes sense as we will get the government we vote for every time as opposed to now. Financially it makes sense as we will no longer be sending taxes to Westminster and living from their allocation (which is less than we have them) and for the good of our society it makes sense as we will be responsible for ourselves in good times and bad like every other country. What concerns do you have about independence? | |||
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"How about I share my vote with the ballot box and you do the same!!! Either way, we have to live with the final decision!" How about those who wish to keep it to themselves bow out of the debate and those who wish to discuss such a major decision be free to do so? | |||
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"I fail to see how reminding people that Salmond lied counts as a witch hunt. He told a bare faced lie, was caught out and sent Nicola to face the fallout." you wouldnt, but then my point wasnt about that single post of yours but your propensity to take every opportunity to single out someone from the snp (mostly alex salmond) instead of attributing actions and/or behaviour as appropriate across the entire political spectrum. | |||
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"How about I share my vote with the ballot box and you do the same!!! Either way, we have to live with the final decision! How about those who wish to keep it to themselves bow out of the debate and those who wish to discuss such a major decision be free to do so? " How about I am allowed to have my opinion as you are yours!! How about 2 lines that I wrote does not constitute an argument. My point was with the opening statement "telling" how to vote!! | |||
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" How about I am allowed to have my opinion as you are yours!! How about 2 lines that I wrote does not constitute an argument. My point was with the opening statement "telling" how to vote!!" Okay. My apologies. Think I've just seen too many people come on and say "this isn't a political forum" or "yawn/boring" etc etc. Sorry if I picked you up wrong. | |||
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"Salmond and his all righteous blinkered cronies are an absolute embarrassment to Scotland. Anyone that seriously considers that lot needs their heads looking at. Well there's certainly one of my heads I wouldn't mind being looked it "same, hahaha | |||
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"Salmond and his all righteous blinkered cronies are an absolute embarrassment to Scotland. Anyone that seriously considers that lot needs their heads looking at. Well there's certainly one of my heads I wouldn't mind being looked it
same, hahaha "But you do realise that you are not voting for any one person or his or her cronies. 20 years from now as many people will think of independence as being Salmonds as they currently think of devolution as being Donald Dewar's. Go ahead and think that it's about Salmond or the snp if you want but you are simply missing the point. | |||
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" How about I am allowed to have my opinion as you are yours!! How about 2 lines that I wrote does not constitute an argument. My point was with the opening statement "telling" how to vote!! Okay. My apologies. Think I've just seen too many people come on and say "this isn't a political forum" or "yawn/boring" etc etc. Sorry if I picked you up wrong. " No problem, apology accepted x | |||
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"Republic of Scotland....!! It just doesn't sit with me. Nope not for me "But presumably being dragged into multiple wars that we had absolutely no say in ...... Or being guinea pigs for new taxes....or in general elections voting labour and getting Tories Sits just fine???? | |||
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"Republic of Scotland....!! It just doesn't sit with me. Nope not for me "Would independence make us a republic
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"Republic of Scotland....!! It just doesn't sit with me. Nope not for me
But presumably being dragged into multiple wars that we had absolutely no say in ...... Or being guinea pigs for new taxes....or in general elections voting labour and getting Tories
Sits just fine???? "you will have the same say whether we stay or go so that voids that argument | |||
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"Republic of Scotland....!! It just doesn't sit with me. Nope not for me "Any other reasons though? Other than what we call it? | |||
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"Republic of Scotland....!! It just doesn't sit with me. Nope not for me
But presumably being dragged into multiple wars that we had absolutely no say in ...... Or being guinea pigs for new taxes....or in general elections voting labour and getting Tories
Sits just fine???? "It wasn't voting Labour that brought the Tories, it was voting SNP, Lib Dem, Plaid, assorted Ulster parties, Green and, of course, Tory. That's before we remind ourselves who brought Thatcher to power (hint, it was the SNP). | |||
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" It wasn't voting Labour that brought the Tories, it was voting SNP, Lib Dem, Plaid, assorted Ulster parties, Green and, of course, Tory. That's before we remind ourselves who brought Thatcher to power (hint, it was the SNP)." I've often wondered, do you have any arguments against the idea of Scottish independence? You spend a bit of time on here so I was just wondering if you had anything to say on the matter. Cheers. | |||
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"Republic of Scotland....!! It just doesn't sit with me. Nope not for me
But presumably being dragged into multiple wars that we had absolutely no say in ...... Or being guinea pigs for new taxes....or in general elections voting labour and getting Tories
Sits just fine????
It wasn't voting Labour that brought the Tories, it was voting SNP, Lib Dem, Plaid, assorted Ulster parties, Green and, of course, Tory.
That's before we remind ourselves who brought Thatcher to power (hint, it was the SNP)."i have a fantastic idea for a tv game show lets call it the blame the snp for everything game
and as a theme tune.....
"dont blame it on the sunshine
dont blame it on the moonlight
dont blame it on the good times
blame it on the snp"
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"So why the hell does Cammeron want us so badly all at once?our award winning personalities I don't think so. "Why does Salmond want to keep Sterling and the Monarchy? | |||
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"So why the hell does Cammeron want us so badly all at once?our award winning personalities I don't think so.
Why does Salmond want to keep Sterling and the Monarchy?"Sterling - good business sense for all concerned Monarchy - there is something about kicking out an old woman who has been on the thrown for 60 odd years that won't sit right with a lot of people. However, after her and when a new monarch is in place, I wouldn't be surprised to see a call in Scotland for a the referendum to end he monarchy but that is just my view. The good thing about that is, it would be a purely democratic decision for the people of Scotland. One of the many advantages of independence. | |||
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"Why does Salmond want to keep Sterling and the Monarchy? Sterling - good business sense for all concerned Monarchy - there is something about kicking out an old woman who has been on the thrown for 60 odd years that won't sit right with a lot of people. However, after her and when a new monarch is in place, I wouldn't be surprised to see a call in Scotland for a the referendum to end he monarchy but that is just my view. The good thing about that is, it would be a purely democratic decision for the people of Scotland. One of the many advantages of independence. " Sterling is the simplest solution until we are indipendant. Once we are, then we can look to restarting our own currency. Monarch does actualy bring money into the country from oversea tourists. Should we be a Republic or retain a Monarchy after indipendance is something that should be voted by an indipendant scottish people. If we are to remain a Monarchy then we do not have to retain the current incumbents. Nor would we have to allow the public purse to maintain them in splendour in perpetuaty. We could set the age limit at 21 for all but the direct line. And even if we were to ellect our head of state then they could still be titled King or Queen. | |||
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"Why does Salmond want to keep Sterling and the Monarchy? Sterling - good business sense for all concerned Monarchy - there is something about kicking out an old woman who has been on the thrown for 60 odd years that won't sit right with a lot of people. However, after her and when a new monarch is in place, I wouldn't be surprised to see a call in Scotland for a the referendum to end he monarchy but that is just my view. The good thing about that is, it would be a purely democratic decision for the people of Scotland. One of the many advantages of independence. Sterling is the simplest solution until we are indipendant. Once we are, then we can look to restarting our own currency. ......" In other words a con trick. | |||
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"Why does Salmond want to keep Sterling and the Monarchy? Sterling - good business sense for all concerned Monarchy - there is something about kicking out an old woman who has been on the thrown for 60 odd years that won't sit right with a lot of people. However, after her and when a new monarch is in place, I wouldn't be surprised to see a call in Scotland for a the referendum to end he monarchy but that is just my view. The good thing about that is, it would be a purely democratic decision for the people of Scotland. One of the many advantages of independence. Sterling is the simplest solution until we are indipendant. Once we are, then we can look to restarting our own currency. ...... In other words a con trick. " instead of knocking everyone else _nny why dont you tell us your position regarding the currency if there is a yes vote | |||
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"Why does Salmond want to keep Sterling and the Monarchy? Sterling - good business sense for all concerned Monarchy - there is something about kicking out an old woman who has been on the thrown for 60 odd years that won't sit right with a lot of people. However, after her and when a new monarch is in place, I wouldn't be surprised to see a call in Scotland for a the referendum to end he monarchy but that is just my view. The good thing about that is, it would be a purely democratic decision for the people of Scotland. One of the many advantages of independence. Sterling is the simplest solution until we are indipendant. Once we are, then we can look to restarting our own currency. ...... In other words a con trick. instead of knocking everyone else _nny why dont you tell us your position regarding the currency if there is a yes vote" Onny can you explain to me what makes it a con trick please? I will take it that you actualy agree with my assessment of the Monarchy situation tho since you havent posted any response to my answer for that half of your question let alone an as elequent one as you used for the currency reply. | |||
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" ...... In other words a con trick. instead of knocking everyone else _nny why dont you tell us your position regarding the currency if there is a yes vote" Because he, like all the other Unionuts, doesn't have one. On this or any other item in the debate. All he has is slander, division, diversion and a talent for being obtuse. | |||
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" 1.so you may have 40 years of that at most. 2.There are better alternatives to independence that will give the Scottish Government the powers it desires while keeping the benefits of the Union. Giving the Scottish Government the power to set its own taxes and decide what to do with them fully, removing Scottish MP's from Westminster so that the Scottish people do not get a say in the affairs of England, ensuring that only English taxes pay for things in England and only Scottish taxes pay for things in Scotland, while keeping the currency, the armed forces, the jobs that the British Military sends up here such as ship construction and a whole load of others 3.I do not want to be a foreigner in a country that I love." So much so wrong in this is hard to know where to start. 1.Only 40 years? Just think what we could do with 40 years of oil money when is not being spent on weapons of mass destruction, supporting English unemployment, paying bankers'bonuses and propping get up privatised industries that were undersold to line the pockets of the city spivs. 2. We were promised all sorts of powers if we voted no to devolution the first time round. Know when we finally got them? After we voted yes in the 2nd Devo referendum. Know what we'll get if we vote no this time? Remember they just quietly took powers AWAY from our parliament several weeks ago. You know, whilst trying to hint they'll give us more. Westminster is the UK parliament. I know many of the English think it's the English parliament and this was a reason given by many in the north east for voting against their own regional assembly, but it is not. If they want English only votes on English only matters (and the union survives) they have to have their own assembly. Besides, watch the news, these 'English-only' matters are reported on the national news. When was the last time you saw a Scottish - only NHS matter, for example, reported on the national news? Besides, all this whingeing about Scottish mps voting on English-only (note how they forget the Welsh are always part of those?) is a real laugh considering how we've been ruled from London. Remember English mps holding all the jobs in the Scottish office because they only had one mp? 3. What makes you think you'll be a foreigner? | |||
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"As it had already been made clear all wine " Bloody auto-complete. 'Will', not 'wine'. | |||
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"Why does Salmond want to keep Sterling and the Monarchy? Sterling - good business sense for all concerned Monarchy - there is something about kicking out an old woman who has been on the thrown for 60 odd years that won't sit right with a lot of people. However, after her and when a new monarch is in place, I wouldn't be surprised to see a call in Scotland for a the referendum to end he monarchy but that is just my view. The good thing about that is, it would be a purely democratic decision for the people of Scotland. One of the many advantages of independence. Sterling is the simplest solution until we are indipendant. Once we are, then we can look to restarting our own currency. ...... In other words a con trick. instead of knocking everyone else _nny why dont you tell us your position regarding the currency if there is a yes vote" There isn't going to be a yes vote. | |||
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"Why does Salmond want to keep Sterling and the Monarchy? Sterling - good business sense for all concerned Monarchy - there is something about kicking out an old woman who has been on the thrown for 60 odd years that won't sit right with a lot of people. However, after her and when a new monarch is in place, I wouldn't be surprised to see a call in Scotland for a the referendum to end he monarchy but that is just my view. The good thing about that is, it would be a purely democratic decision for the people of Scotland. One of the many advantages of independence. Sterling is the simplest solution until we are indipendant. Once we are, then we can look to restarting our own currency. ...... In other words a con trick. instead of knocking everyone else _nny why dont you tell us your position regarding the currency if there is a yes vote There isn't going to be a yes vote." cheers _nny, when i posted that i made a bet with 2 mates what your response would be. im now £40 up | |||
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"Why does Salmond want to keep Sterling and the Monarchy? Sterling - good business sense for all concerned Monarchy - there is something about kicking out an old woman who has been on the thrown for 60 odd years that won't sit right with a lot of people. However, after her and when a new monarch is in place, I wouldn't be surprised to see a call in Scotland for a the referendum to end he monarchy but that is just my view. The good thing about that is, it would be a purely democratic decision for the people of Scotland. One of the many advantages of independence. Sterling is the simplest solution until we are indipendant. Once we are, then we can look to restarting our own currency. ...... In other words a con trick. instead of knocking everyone else _nny why dont you tell us your position regarding the currency if there is a yes vote There isn't going to be a yes vote. cheers _nny, when i posted that i made a bet with 2 mates what your response would be. im now £40 up "your predictable nature has finally paid off | |||
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"........ why dont you tell us your position regarding the currency if there is a yes vote There isn't going to be a yes vote. cheers _nny, when i posted that i made a bet with 2 mates what your response would be. im now £40 up
your predictable nature has finally paid off "Do yourself a favour - put the £40 on a no vote | |||
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" In other words a con trick. instead of knocking everyone else _nny why dont you tell us your position regarding the currency if there is a yes vote There isn't going to be a yes vote. cheers _nny, when i posted that i made a bet with 2 mates what your response would be. im now £40 up "Onny Im not laughing at you regarding your reply... but I am hugely disapointed that an orator of your skills has not managed to respond to me | |||
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"God sake the male bitching and sniping is worse than a woman's on ere "this is the modern world of equality, bitching is now a multi gender pastime | |||
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"God sake the male bitching and sniping is worse than a woman's on ere
this is the modern world of equality, bitching is now a multi gender pastime "That comment can come back and bit you on the ass lol ...... | |||
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" In other words a con trick. instead of knocking everyone else _nny why dont you tell us your position regarding the currency if there is a yes vote There isn't going to be a yes vote. cheers _nny, when i posted that i made a bet with 2 mates what your response would be. im now £40 up
Onny Im not laughing at you regarding your reply... but I am hugely disapointed that an orator of your skills has not managed to respond to me"I must have missed your post. Sorry. | |||
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"Why does Salmond want to keep Sterling and the Monarchy? Sterling is the simplest solution until we are indipendant. Once we are, then we can look to restarting our own currency. ...... In other words a con trick. instead of knocking everyone else _nny why dont you tell us your position regarding the currency if there is a yes vote Onny can you explain to me what makes it a con trick please? I will take it that you actualy agree with my assessment of the Monarchy situation tho since you havent posted any response to my answer for that half of your question let alone an as elequent one as you used for the currency reply." There it is Onny I scrolled up and found it for you mate | |||
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