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Sept 30% rise in alcohol tax -SNP
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd ! |
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It is not a tax it is a levy which goes to the drinks manufacturers as compensation for possible drop in sales due to MUP....they missed a trick there as it should have been used for education on the health effects of alcohol or help with rehab...Wales also introducing it....you have been paying MUP prices in bars and clubs for years. |
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"Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd !"
Are you going to drive to England to buy drink? |
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"Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd !
Are you going to drive to England to buy drink?"
I will. I go down once a month anyway so I'll start buying it while I'm there.
I've took the hit up till now but this increase is a bit much to ignore. |
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"Stealth tax. They wont admit it though. Dont forget the extra incone tax bands too ??
The vast majority in scotland pay less tax than other areas in UK. Ppl who earn a lot should pay more. "
This^ then count in free prescriptions and further education to name 2 things the rest of UK don't get.
I'd rather pay a bit more for drink to be honest |
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By (user no longer on site)
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People will still drink, people pay more for everything else these days. No point in complaining it’s just how things are. I would rather stay in the U.K. than most countries. If you want to see how hard things can be go to some third world countries you won’t be long in changing your mindset. |
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"Stealth tax. They wont admit it though. Dont forget the extra incone tax bands too ??
The vast majority in scotland pay less tax than other areas in UK. Ppl who earn a lot should pay more. "
If you earn more you pay more with the bandings anyway, it’s all relative but not sure I agree with increasing yet again the higher earners  |
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"Stealth tax. They wont admit it though. Dont forget the extra incone tax bands too ??
The vast majority in scotland pay less tax than other areas in UK. Ppl who earn a lot should pay more. "
Define "a lot". |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stealth tax. They wont admit it though. Dont forget the extra incone tax bands too ??
The vast majority in scotland pay less tax than other areas in UK. Ppl who earn a lot should pay more.
If you earn more you pay more with the bandings anyway, it’s all relative but not sure I agree with increasing yet again the higher earners "
I don’t mind paying higher tax, I don’t agree with the benefits system to many freewheeling people who get things to easy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’m against it. Wages are vastly below such increases which are across the board from a loaf of bread to energy prices. Working class people spend when they have money in their pockets but with everything rising in price this will have an impact on local ecomomies via pubs, cafes and restaurants. It’s not just drink as food prices add to the pressure of socialising whether with friends or family. As someone said, people will always drink but it’s the hospitality sector that will suffer and that’s a huge impact in many ways. |
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"Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd !"
Im just off the m74 in south lanarkshire so it would be worth driving down for an hours drive and fill the car or a van, might be an option  |
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"I’m against it. Wages are vastly below such increases which are across the board from a loaf of bread to energy prices. Working class people spend when they have money in their pockets but with everything rising in price this will have an impact on local ecomomies via pubs, cafes and restaurants. It’s not just drink as food prices add to the pressure of socialising whether with friends or family. As someone said, people will always drink but it’s the hospitality sector that will suffer and that’s a huge impact in many ways. "
I agree but companies also taking advantage of the crisis by raising prices, that leads to all shops raising prices. It is out of control with the government blaming everything on wars ect. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stealth tax. They wont admit it though. Dont forget the extra incone tax bands too ??
The vast majority in scotland pay less tax than other areas in UK. Ppl who earn a lot should pay more.
This^ then count in free prescriptions and further education to name 2 things the rest of UK don't get.
I'd rather pay a bit more for drink to be honest"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I’m against it. Wages are vastly below such increases which are across the board from a loaf of bread to energy prices. Working class people spend when they have money in their pockets but with everything rising in price this will have an impact on local ecomomies via pubs, cafes and restaurants. It’s not just drink as food prices add to the pressure of socialising whether with friends or family. As someone said, people will always drink but it’s the hospitality sector that will suffer and that’s a huge impact in many ways.
I agree but companies also taking advantage of the crisis by raising prices, that leads to all shops raising prices. It is out of control with the government blaming everything on wars ect."
Just give it a couple of more months things are going to increase yet again. This Red Sea thing hasn’t started to hurt yet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I get the arguement about the health advantages not disputing this.
But it was not a game changer people still drink that did not suddenly stop( myself included) but let's be honest sadly some in society will let themselves or their children go without to buy alcohol, or even more scary it will do what has happened with cigarettes the black market.
Simply put it's a blunt tool that I do not believe addresses the problem at the time when we are all suffering due to crazy inflation outstripping wages this is not going to help.
If it was a tax then fair enough if they could show it was be used for health or treating alcoholism, but merely increasing the profit margin for drinks companies is not in the best interests of anyone but them |
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By *andi_CDTV/TS
over a year ago
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"It’s not a tax, it’s a rise in the legal minimum price per unit. Not a big deal unless your tipple of choice resembles paint stripper.
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Bingo - someone who undrstands how it works. Most drinks are unaffected |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It’s not a tax, it’s a rise in the legal minimum price per unit. Not a big deal unless your tipple of choice resembles paint stripper.
Bingo - someone who undrstands how it works. Most drinks are unaffected"
Very condescending |
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I get on one hand the MUP is good idea
originally I believe it was brought in to curb the under age culture we have- who knew mums and dad's would give them more so it only affected the normal man and Lady on the street who liked a couple of beers wines to unwind
the majority of us all probably work so it's another levy just like Brown Bins charge TV Licence etc etc
if we didn't drink we don't pay
same as gardens or stream tvs
personally myself I go to England often as just over the border they are still getting 25% off 6 bottles at times ( higher price better discount) and so many cases of beer too
it's a shame Scotland could gain more but lose out to silly ideas like this plus the licensing times
can't buy a drink before 10am
what if you were dependent on it
loads of pros and cons to everything
I just know we pay too much in this country and been too soft for years
the peasants should start a revolution |
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"Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd !
Im just off the m74 in south lanarkshire so it would be worth driving down for an hours drive and fill the car or a van, might be an option "
We’re just outside Dumfries and know quite a few who nip to Asda in Carlisle to do a booze run. Almost at the same point of people doing drinks runs to France years ago |
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I wouldn’t see a problem with it if it applied to pubs and nightclubs as well, especially nightclubs so that pubs start getting a profit on their income again and don’t have to close. The problem is that it is becoming cheaper to go to a nightclub where more issues, not just alcohol illnesses but fighting fuelled by alcohol, can occur.
Alcohol is already taxed on top of the basic VAT |
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"Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd !"
Amazon and other online stores aren’t allowed to sell to Scottish addresses without adding on the extra charge I believe. They can’t deliver alcohol before 10am or after 10pm either |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd !
Amazon and other online stores aren’t allowed to sell to Scottish addresses without adding on the extra charge I believe. They can’t deliver alcohol before 10am or after 10pm either"
I buy lager from Amazon..always at the advertised cost no extra charge and much cheaper than our supermarkets. Stella Artois equates to about 1.80 per litre..online |
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"Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd !
Amazon and other online stores aren’t allowed to sell to Scottish addresses without adding on the extra charge I believe. They can’t deliver alcohol before 10am or after 10pm either"
I've bought from Amazon before at the English price when I lived in Wales. Had a weekly subscription for a case of Stella for the then wife. |
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"Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd !
Amazon and other online stores aren’t allowed to sell to Scottish addresses without adding on the extra charge I believe. They can’t deliver alcohol before 10am or after 10pm either
I've bought from Amazon before at the English price when I lived in Wales. Had a weekly subscription for a case of Stella for the then wife. "
Wales don’t have a price per unit so that’s irrelevant. |
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"Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd !
Amazon and other online stores aren’t allowed to sell to Scottish addresses without adding on the extra charge I believe. They can’t deliver alcohol before 10am or after 10pm either
I buy lager from Amazon..always at the advertised cost no extra charge and much cheaper than our supermarkets. Stella Artois equates to about 1.80 per litre..online"
Maybe it’s the online supermarkets and stores then, however not managed to find any decent bitter that ain’t as cheap as local stores  |
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"Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd !
Amazon and other online stores aren’t allowed to sell to Scottish addresses without adding on the extra charge I believe. They can’t deliver alcohol before 10am or after 10pm either
I've bought from Amazon before at the English price when I lived in Wales. Had a weekly subscription for a case of Stella for the then wife.
Wales don’t have a price per unit so that’s irrelevant. "
Wales has had a minimum unit price since 2020. |
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"Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd !
Amazon and other online stores aren’t allowed to sell to Scottish addresses without adding on the extra charge I believe. They can’t deliver alcohol before 10am or after 10pm either
I've bought from Amazon before at the English price when I lived in Wales. Had a weekly subscription for a case of Stella for the then wife.
Wales don’t have a price per unit so that’s irrelevant.
Wales has had a minimum unit price since 2020. "
Sorry, first time I’ve heard that. Suppose not living in Wales and not really paying attention to local news elsewhere, it’s never really been seen by me. I know how you feel for it though, it sucks for the people not binging so much. It didn’t affect the decent wine too much, however started making my own for much less  |
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"Absolutely disgusting ..taxing those who enjoy a drink to pay for all their cock ups. Buying drinks off Amazon or nipping across the border is the way fwd !
Amazon and other online stores aren’t allowed to sell to Scottish addresses without adding on the extra charge I believe. They can’t deliver alcohol before 10am or after 10pm either
I've bought from Amazon before at the English price when I lived in Wales. Had a weekly subscription for a case of Stella for the then wife.
Wales don’t have a price per unit so that’s irrelevant.
Wales has had a minimum unit price since 2020.
Sorry, first time I’ve heard that. Suppose not living in Wales and not really paying attention to local news elsewhere, it’s never really been seen by me. I know how you feel for it though, it sucks for the people not binging so much. It didn’t affect the decent wine too much, however started making my own for much less "
Yeah I'm an ex home brewer myself. Had a great kegerator set-up in a pubshed (years before COVID and everyone did them lol). Been considering doing it again but I don't drink anywhere near what I used to. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Last rised saved lives
Am all for saving more
And hey a was 1 that was saved
Still in a bad way way health at moment due to alcohol
So the more they charge more people we can save |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’m not someone who drinks heavily in the slightest and I know that the policy has saved and improved lives but FUCK OFF!!
I shouldn’t be shafted if I fancy a couple of tins of Thatcher’s on a weekend |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just to 3ducate People. It is not a tax it is Minimum Pricing per alcoholic unit. The money is profit to the company."
Call it what you want ...it's still tax on enjoyment |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Scotland is a 3 rd world country if u take into account drug deaths health service roads rubbish strewn everywhere beggars I moved to Spain last year everything is so much better I wouldn’t move back for a minute most things are so much cheaper here gas electricity rates and state pensions are far more if you have been a worker if not you get what u deserve and then there’s the weather. Best thing I’ve done |
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By *amierebelMan
over a year ago
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Dont really drink these days no big on alcohol so this personally won't affect me.
I am however about a hr on the bus fae Carlisle so tempted to take a wee day trip up there one time just tae see the difference in prices.
Used to drink frosty Jack's cider a a teen as was cheap was 2x 3ltr bottles for a fiver at shop near me I'm all for the price increases on that basis granted I'm going back a great few years for them prices as I'm sure it's around 14/15 a single bottle last I checked and absolute gut rot save lives and cost to the NHS |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Scotland is a 3 rd world country if u take into account drug deaths health service roads rubbish strewn everywhere beggars I moved to Spain last year everything is so much better I wouldn’t move back for a minute most things are so much cheaper here gas electricity rates and state pensions are far more if you have been a worker if not you get what u deserve and then there’s the weather. Best thing I’ve done "
That will be us soon ! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Hubby was in bath visiting relatives..his brother in law gave him a pint can of cider at 5.2%.. a pound from Tesco ! Equivalent here is 1.48. come September it will be near 2 pound....double the price of Englanshire |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just to 3ducate People. It is not a tax it is Minimum Pricing per alcoholic unit. The money is profit to the company."
Of which the government get a big fat slice in taxation |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Well my reaction was to buy some home brew equipment lol"
Oh I can remember my dad brewing beer..used to get it from boots. He had the full kit. Think the brew was tom caxtons or something like that
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"I have a cider kit just now but see how it goes once the initial expenses are by should be ok and scope to try something different I guess"
Look up turbo cider on YouTube. You can make it without kits, just apple juice from concentrate and yeast. Add anything to it as well like summer fruits diluting juice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have a cider kit just now but see how it goes once the initial expenses are by should be ok and scope to try something different I guess
Look up turbo cider on YouTube. You can make it without kits, just apple juice from concentrate and yeast. Add anything to it as well like summer fruits diluting juice. "
Yes I seen that got this kit just now and pricing up the kits are cheaper than buying the apple juice tbh |
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By *oversfunCouple
over a year ago
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"They’ve got to pay for those expensive ferries some how do you know much about building ferries
The SNP and Cal Mac obviously don't."
when did snp start building ferries?always thought it was a shipyard  |
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By *oversfunCouple
over a year ago
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"They’ve got to pay for those expensive ferries some how do you know much about building ferries
About as much ass the Scottish government, nothing ! "
when did the scottish goverment start building ferries ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They’ve got to pay for those expensive ferries some how do you know much about building ferries
About as much ass the Scottish government, nothing ! when did the scottish goverment start building ferries ?"
The SNP gave out the contract...no home work done !! Just think how many millions of that over expenditure could have been used in health education etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They’ve got to pay for those expensive ferries some how do you know much about building ferries
About as much ass the Scottish government, nothing ! when did the scottish goverment start building ferries ?
The SNP gave out the contract...no home work done !! Just think how many millions of that over expenditure could have been used in health education etc."
Yes the problem was the number of major changes during build when the propulsion system had to be redesigned that was government fault the poor management was the yards fault the poor building standards were a mix of hasty redesign and poor workmanship ie cable runs being too short etc |
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The original policy was aimed at cheap cider and Buckfast.
It did increase big bottles of cider and high strenght beer....it did not touch the retail price of bucky. So those drinkers moved to bucky.
So did it really affect alcohol deaths.
65p still does not touch bucky...instead normal punters get it.
However It did hit spirits, beers and wine |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well as some one who like vodka and whisky it's going to affect me for sure. Basically levels the field or wipes out the lower quality stuff so in effect it's just driving out the cheaper brands and inflating the premium brands at a staggering level even the UK government can't manage lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Well as some one who like vodka and whisky it's going to affect me for sure. Basically levels the field or wipes out the lower quality stuff so in effect it's just driving out the cheaper brands and inflating the premium brands at a staggering level even the UK government can't manage lol"
Exactly !! |
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"Best thing that could ever happen...
Coming from a broken home with alcoholic parents, if the tax is put to its rightful use to help those with addiction, bash on. Increase it to £2!!!
It's not a tax, government gets nothing from it.
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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And yet idiots still vote for them after the catalogue of failures right across the country. For me the ferry fiasco is one of the worst. Anybody voting for the SNP on Arran need their head examined and I'd wager are infected with English hatred, basically the only thing that drives SNP politics. In this day and age deplorable. |
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"And yet idiots still vote for them after the catalogue of failures right across the country. For me the ferry fiasco is one of the worst. Anybody voting for the SNP on Arran need their head examined and I'd wager are infected with English hatred, basically the only thing that drives SNP politics. In this day and age deplorable. "
I vote snp and hate no one in england |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 52 weeks ago
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13.4 % if true that's great. But I don't see why I should have to pay more cos others can't control their drinking. Some people can't or don't want to help themselves regarding their drinking habits..maybe charging them for hospital visits and treatment for their self inflicted illness would be a better option and the measily 13.4% would be a lot higher. |
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"13.4 % if true that's great. But I don't see why I should have to pay more cos others can't control their drinking. Some people can't or don't want to help themselves regarding their drinking habits..maybe charging them for hospital visits and treatment for their self inflicted illness would be a better option and the measily 13.4% would be a lot higher."
I dont think 13.4% is measliy,i dont think you can pls everyone but we are know as one of the unhealthiest countries in the world,it is not perfect but its a start |
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"13.4 % if true that's great. But I don't see why I should have to pay more cos others can't control their drinking. Some people can't or don't want to help themselves regarding their drinking habits..maybe charging them for hospital visits and treatment for their self inflicted illness would be a better option and the measily 13.4% would be a lot higher."
Would it be difficult for you to moderate your drinking to a level you could comfortably afford? |
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"13.4 % if true that's great. But I don't see why I should have to pay more cos others can't control their drinking. Some people can't or don't want to help themselves regarding their drinking habits..maybe charging them for hospital visits and treatment for their self inflicted illness would be a better option and the measily 13.4% would be a lot higher."
Great idea. See those arseholes that play sport tae. Get them to pay NHS for injuries sustained while they keep fit.
Fuck it if yer gonny go a walk and trip up n break yer ankle. Charge them too.
Where will it end. People have health issues NHS should be free at point of crisis for everyone. Too many folk judge others and a lot of people are only 1 crisis and a couple bottles of vodka away from needing help themselves.
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"13.4 % if true that's great. But I don't see why I should have to pay more cos others can't control their drinking. Some people can't or don't want to help themselves regarding their drinking habits..maybe charging them for hospital visits and treatment for their self inflicted illness would be a better option and the measily 13.4% would be a lot higher.
Great idea. See those arseholes that play sport tae. Get them to pay NHS for injuries sustained while they keep fit.
Fuck it if yer gonny go a walk and trip up n break yer ankle. Charge them too.
Where will it end. People have health issues NHS should be free at point of crisis for everyone. Too many folk judge others and a lot of people are only 1 crisis and a couple bottles of vodka away from needing help themselves.
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that made me chuckle,esp the arseholes who play sport |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 52 weeks ago
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"13.4 % if true that's great. But I don't see why I should have to pay more cos others can't control their drinking. Some people can't or don't want to help themselves regarding their drinking habits..maybe charging them for hospital visits and treatment for their self inflicted illness would be a better option and the measily 13.4% would be a lot higher.
Would it be difficult for you to moderate your drinking to a level you could comfortably afford?"
It's not about affording it...we are fortunate that our enjoyment of having a few sociable drinks doesn't make a dent in our finances..but again why should we pay more ?? All because SNP have let the problem get out of control |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 52 weeks ago
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"13.4 % if true that's great. But I don't see why I should have to pay more cos others can't control their drinking. Some people can't or don't want to help themselves regarding their drinking habits..maybe charging them for hospital visits and treatment for their self inflicted illness would be a better option and the measily 13.4% would be a lot higher.
Great idea. See those arseholes that play sport tae. Get them to pay NHS for injuries sustained while they keep fit.
Fuck it if yer gonny go a walk and trip up n break yer ankle. Charge them too.
Where will it end. People have health issues NHS should be free at point of crisis for everyone. Too many folk judge others and a lot of people are only 1 crisis and a couple bottles of vodka away from needing help themselves.
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Totally missing the point...but hey hoe
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"13.4 % if true that's great. But I don't see why I should have to pay more cos others can't control their drinking. Some people can't or don't want to help themselves regarding their drinking habits..maybe charging them for hospital visits and treatment for their self inflicted illness would be a better option and the measily 13.4% would be a lot higher.
Would it be difficult for you to moderate your drinking to a level you could comfortably afford?
It's not about affording it...we are fortunate that our enjoyment of having a few sociable drinks doesn't make a dent in our finances..but again why should we pay more ?? All because SNP have let the problem get out of control"
can you tell me how the snp have let the problem get out of control ? |
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"13.4 % if true that's great. But I don't see why I should have to pay more cos others can't control their drinking. Some people can't or don't want to help themselves regarding their drinking habits..maybe charging them for hospital visits and treatment for their self inflicted illness would be a better option and the measily 13.4% would be a lot higher.
Great idea. See those arseholes that play sport tae. Get them to pay NHS for injuries sustained while they keep fit.
Fuck it if yer gonny go a walk and trip up n break yer ankle. Charge them too.
Where will it end. People have health issues NHS should be free at point of crisis for everyone. Too many folk judge others and a lot of people are only 1 crisis and a couple bottles of vodka away from needing help themselves.
Totally missing the point...but hey hoe
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I really don't think I did. |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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I support the increase. If it discourages people, especially young people from drinking too much then how can that be bad? Might see a reduction in alcohol addiction in the future, drink induced fights, d*unk driving, domestic abuse... |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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100% agree with the levy (as a child of a chronic alcoholic parent)…
Triple the tax on fags too, and I’m sure any government, devolved or not, needs money… why not tax my beard or long hair, or tax the gays… they don’t have kids. they can afford it |
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