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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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whats your take on this latest campaign ?
Whilst i am against the non controlled 'street' side of this age old proffesion i see no harm whatso ever in massage parlours / saunas
My work has saw my visit a few of these establishments over the years and i have been impressed and pleasantley surprised by all aspects , from how genuine and friendly the girls are to the high levels of hygiene .
i must say i have never used the services on offer ( even at the discounted rates i have been offered )
But it would be a shame to shut these places down and drive it back onto the streets and underground again
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Once you accept that people will always pay for sex regardless of their upbringing, I can't think of any reason to outlaw prostitution.
Providing safe areas or licensed premises for this type of work, alongside ample education on the risks, and a continued rollout of sexual health clinics, is the way forward, IMHO.
Maybe not in Glasgow, though. The council are a bunch of prudes. |
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I follow your logic ok but then I'd fall into the 'not in my back yard' brigade, and can't really fault anyone else thinking the same. So how you gonna designate these areas if the residents don't want them? |
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"Once you accept that people will always pay for sex regardless of their upbringing, I can't think of any reason to outlaw prostitution.
Providing safe areas or licensed premises for this type of work, alongside ample education on the risks, and a continued rollout of sexual health clinics, is the way forward, IMHO.
Maybe not in Glasgow, though. The council are a bunch of prudes."
Glasgow City Council are reflecting the views of their electorate and the advice of the polis. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Glasgow City Council are reflecting the views of their electorate and the advice of the polis. "
Possibly. Does it then follow that the electorate and the police are a bunch of prudes? Also, possibly. |
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"Glasgow City Council are reflecting the views of their electorate and the advice of the polis.
Possibly. Does it then follow that the electorate and the police are a bunch of prudes? Also, possibly."
Possibly but not all of us. Elected members take into account the views of their electorate at surgeries and the recently resurrected community council meetings. You can hardly blame them for keeping the punters sweet.
Then there's the elephant in the room in the shape of the influence exerted by the Catholic church. That's not to suggest the Presbyterian (and other) churches ain't against prostitution - there's no doubt they are - merely a reflection of the power Mario Conti and his chums still have. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Possibly but not all of us. Elected members take into account the views of their electorate at surgeries and the recently resurrected community council meetings. You can hardly blame them for keeping the punters sweet."
It's a tough one to call, though. How many people are going to go to a regular surgery and ask for -more- prostitution in their area? (So to speak.)
Example: I take a completely liberal view. I don't care if it happens outside my flat. When the topic comes up, I tend to advocate less restriction and greater education. This position does not compel me to go along to a surgery to make a point, because it's not something I want the council to fix for me as soon as possible.
Negativity toward prostitution visible at regular surgeries is likely to be primarily NIMBYism. Which is a shame. If there were an actual focussed forum in which all opinions were welcomed, then I'd go. But I'm unlikely to go along to a surgery and ask that prostitution regulation be loosened.
This, in my view, is not what surgeries are for.
So, your point makes me wonder if regulation is influenced too heavily by negative, reactionary knee-jerking around the problem? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'd hazard a guess that councillors work on the assumption that everyone who doesn't get in touch actively supporting prostitution is against it."
You understand that this is a flawed assumption, right? Based on the apparent contentiousness of the issue and the inherent NIMBYism.
There's a more altruistic stance here. Decisions could be heavily influenced by research and statistics, possibly leading to a fairer set of rules. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As an aside, my councillor's response rate with regards to personal communication is exactly 0%. I do not feel compelled to get in touch if I do not know that my messages are being read. |
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Yes, it's flawed but it's safe ground. Councillors ain't interested in 'a fairer set of rules'; they're interested in getting re-elected and the recent introduction of multi-member wards makes that more difficult than ever before.
You're in Pertyck, right? Try writing to Aileen suggesting brothels on Byres Road or whore-houses on White Street and see what response you get.
What has surprised me is the extent to which the 'girls in a flat' scene has prospered relatively unhindered by the cops although I gather from conversation with the Divisional Commander (recently retired) that it was on her hit list.
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"As an aside, my councillor's response rate with regards to personal communication is exactly 0%. I do not feel compelled to get in touch if I do not know that my messages are being read."
Email. You have four of them now. Play them off against each other. Make them earn your vote next time. It works a treat. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Email. You have four of them now. Play them off against each other. Make them earn your vote next time. It works a treat."
Of course, email. There is no other way!  Actually I'm thinking it's my MP who has a 0% response rate. My councillors when I stayed over in Ibrox were top-notch, apart from whoever the Labour representative was, who wouldn't respond. I haven't tried while I've been in Partick. |
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I believe the issue was raised in response to complaints forwarded by... yes, you've guessed it, councillors.
Some of the problems sounded pretty bad. Punters would appear when the girls were out or busy and press all the entryphone buzzers to gain access. This would also happen in the middle of the night when some bevvied-up punter had the horn and thought he'd 'just pop round'.
Residents and their kids would be accosted entering and leaving the close.
Punters would be found queueing on the stair and so on. |
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Of course, email. There is no other way! Actually I'm thinking it's my MP who has a 0% response rate. My councillors when I stayed over in Ibrox were top-notch, apart from whoever the Labour representative was, who wouldn't respond. I haven't tried while I've been in Partick."
I don't know anything about the south side. I avoid going there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Now -that's- an issue, yes. It's unacceptable that people be disturbed in their own home.
But then what of the people who want to use sex as a form of income? And those who want to pay for sex? There are three parties in this equation (sex "workers", sex "customers", and the otherwise accosted or irritated).
I wonder if there are similar problems to those you mention around known brothels. If not, then is the solution to allow more of them? |
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I wonder if there are similar problems to those you mention around known brothels. If not, then is the solution to allow more of them?"
I guess that depends on the location. There's a couple of brothels thinly disguised as massage parlours been running quite happily for years on the fringes of the city centre. I don't know what complaints, if any, are received about them but they're stil open.
Then there's the one, now closed, in the Park area (which, as you'll be aware is slowly being reclaimed for housing after years of being offices). The building next door was converted into flats and sold to people who, when they'd come to view, couldn't have missed the massage parlour sign on the building next door.
As soon as they were esconced in their new homes thay began a campaign to get the place shut for resale values. fear it would affect resale values.
Why aren't there more? I suppose if demand was there then there would be more. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why aren't there more? I suppose if demand was there then there would be more."
Possibly. But then it's presumably easier to rent a flat and run your own operation via the web these days than it is to open and manage a walk-in brothel... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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think considering it's "oldest profession in the world" its not going to go away ... if you take a look back think the earliest known prostitutes were around in BC times.. so best to accept it and make it safe ... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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" so best to accept it and make it safe ..."
Yep i agree with that , allow brothels in areas that will cause minimum disruption and not offend any of the general public .
Ensure they meet with required health and hygiene standards and the jobs a good un ,
But as said it is far easier to run a business from a flat and via the web , that and the street girls is the main problem i think |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i think it should definately be legalised once it has been explored correctly as in location rules etc etc and as someone said taxed appropriately!
the oldest profession as it is known will always be around and if it can be done more safely to the girls/men and customers then it should be done!
but as per usual some idiot in his wee gilded tower will morally object whilst probably got a few tucked away!!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Should have an area in every big city that has legal hoars like amsterdam. Tax them and make money off them.
It would save the streets being littered with junkies out looking to make a few buck.
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girls on the street have a problem and its the weirdos it is safer for them to get in to a sauna or the like ,then they can do as in amsterdam or anywhere in europe. safe -medical checks-pension - ect.
but to change it a bit
think of some one with a disability they might not be able to get female company normally and find the company of a girl from a parlour or agency the easiest way or if you are into a kink that your partner is not then a pro will satisfy that need and they will not treat you as an odd ball.
there are alot of reasons to legalise it and there are enough buisness parks where they can have brothels ,safe that they are away from children and the like . so like most on here i would say legalise it then it can be monitored not controled .
I would like to see a court case where a girl takes a council to court for withholding her right to work in a job she wants to do .
whitter over |
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