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"Finally this dangerous fantasist has gone " How many useless PMs did see see in and Out? of course she wasn't perfect, at least she cared about the country you live in. | |||
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"Don't like her, but good luck to her. During Covid, I thought she did a good job most of the time." Thank gawd it wasn't boris. | |||
"Don't like her, but good luck to her. During Covid, I thought she did a good job most of the time. Thank gawd it wasn't boris. " yes, the fridge dweller really did great things for the UK, didnt he... Nope | |||
"Don't like her, but good luck to her. During Covid, I thought she did a good job most of the time." Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though | |||
"Don't like her, but good luck to her. During Covid, I thought she did a good job most of the time. Thank gawd it wasn't boris. yes, the fridge dweller really did great things for the UK, didnt he... Nope" the fridge dweller. | |||
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"Ah well. Wonder who will replace her?" Swinney the Woke Wet Lettuce is being circulated! | |||
"Don't like her, but good luck to her. During Covid, I thought she did a good job most of the time. Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though " and still not half as corrupt and the least corrupt in WM. | |||
"Ah well. Wonder who will replace her? Swinney the Woke Wet Lettuce is being circulated!" That doesn't surprise me. | |||
"Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though " If it wasn't in the media then how do you know about it? | |||
"Don't like her, but good luck to her. During Covid, I thought she did a good job most of the time. Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though " and you have proof of this ? | |||
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"Thank goodness for that. She was so dangerous for the uk " Dangerous to Wm's, strangehold on our products and tax monies. | |||
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"Ah well. Wonder who will replace her? Swinney the Woke Wet Lettuce is being circulated!" Aka the reverend I M Jolley No wonder he wasn’t invited to any covid party, death would be kinder | |||
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"Finally this dangerous fantasist has gone " Ridiculous post, and belongs in the politics section. | |||
"Don't like her, but good luck to her. During Covid, I thought she did a good job most of the time. Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though " Can't decide if this is funny or stupid. Think I'll go with both. Belive that and you will Belive anything. | |||
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"Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though If it wasn't in the media then how do you know about it?" I know the journalist who has been prevented from reporting on this for the last two years! | |||
"It’s hilarious that the first defence of Herr Sturgeon is always some inane drivel about WM, I wonder where that theme comes from… Her record of achievements in power is an abomination and the cult of the Snazi’s will forever be in awe of her. The nation is in a worse state than when they came to power but hey, don’t blame her, that’s all WM’s fault dontcha know" Is that like her Covid Briefings? SNP- St Sturgeon is showing strong leadership, taking ownership, doing right by us despite Westminster throwing us to the wolves. Everyone else - Had to be centre of attention, didn't trust her Health Minister to brief, still determined to push the independence agenda despite more important things affecting lives and livelihoods? | |||
"Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though If it wasn't in the media then how do you know about it? I know the journalist who has been prevented from reporting on this for the last two years!" Hahaha hahaha. What else did he tell you? This is comedy gold. Keep them coming | |||
"Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though If it wasn't in the media then how do you know about it? I know the journalist who has been prevented from reporting on this for the last two years!" Hear say then. *Thrown out of the court room* | |||
"It’s hilarious that the first defence of Herr Sturgeon is always some inane drivel about WM, I wonder where that theme comes from… Her record of achievements in power is an abomination and the cult of the Snazi’s will forever be in awe of her. The nation is in a worse state than when they came to power but hey, don’t blame her, that’s all WM’s fault dontcha know Is that like her Covid Briefings? SNP- St Sturgeon is showing strong leadership, taking ownership, doing right by us despite Westminster throwing us to the wolves. Everyone else - Had to be centre of attention, didn't trust her Health Minister to brief, still determined to push the independence agenda despite more important things affecting lives and livelihoods? " For me Indy Is the nimber one issue for Scotland and always will be until we vote out of this lie of a union. | |||
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"Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though If it wasn't in the media then how do you know about it? I know the journalist who has been prevented from reporting on this for the last two years!" So you say but we have no way of proving that, do we? Surely if this journalist is talking about something that has an injunction they are opening themselves up to being sued, are they not? I say this as a non SNP supporter and no fan of Sturgeon in particular, just curious as to why someone would put themselves in the firing line like that. For me personally I'm not bothered that she's stepping down, as one person is not a whole party, but I admire how she handled the pandemic, got more right than wrong and was more cautious than Westminster. No idea who will replace her and don't particularly care. | |||
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"To her loyal supporters, never forget Police Scotland The education system The ferries Higher taxation than the rest of uk Duelling of a9 and a96 Oh and the self gender twaddle Yes she was brilliant wasnt she " | |||
"Don't like her, but good luck to her. During Covid, I thought she did a good job most of the time. Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though " --------- Flying down to France? Didn't see any evidence about that... Superinjunction? How come you know all about it then? If superinjunctions were so easy to obtain Boris and his cronies would be up to their ears in them! Corrupt?? eh... that's Westminster you're thinking of isn't it...? ----------- | |||
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"Don't like her, but good luck to her. During Covid, I thought she did a good job most of the time. Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though " I’m no lawyer, but who else thinks this post is potentially libellous? | |||
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"I'm not a fan of hers, but she certainly isn't stupid. I wonder if she has got wind of something and is bailing out early. Or before she gets caught. " That is what I have been thinking. Politicians like the power & prestige, I don't think they would just give it up out of the blue. This applies to all politicians of all parties not just NS. | |||
"and the transphobes wetter than an otters pocket." I'm trans and absolutely ecstatic she has resigned. She has set the trans cause back 30 years with her ill thought out GRA reforms. I've never seen transphobia like I see now. | |||
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"I'm not a fan of hers, but she certainly isn't stupid. I wonder if she has got wind of something and is bailing out early. Or before she gets caught. " Why isn’t she stupid? She certainly has displayed stupidity Belligerence and avoidance doesn’t equal intelligence And any fool can break things | |||
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"Gutted she's leaving her position but that's true strength to know when to stand down. Her speech was legendary, and as ever straight from the heart. Disgusting how the right wing media getting boners over it, and the transphobes wetter than an otters pocket. Scotland having a politician who gave answers and didn't depend on scripts was a breath of fresh air. Hoping her stepping down doesn't open the door to a rise in opportunistic corrupt torys, or more right wing rhetoric because Scotland is greater than that." | |||
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"It’s not a cult, she was a democratically elected MSP, seen off many of the English PMs during her time, sad day for Scotland. " Agree Where does that leave us now in separating from Westminster thats the bit that saddens me ,yes she did make mistakes but I think she was more honest than the 5 she saw off collectively | |||
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"I'm not a fan of hers, but she certainly isn't stupid. I wonder if she has got wind of something and is bailing out early. Or before she gets caught. Why isn’t she stupid? She certainly has displayed stupidity Belligerence and avoidance doesn’t equal intelligence And any fool can break things " She isn't stupid, she rode Scotland I to a frenzy over nationalisation. She had nearly half the country backing her. The stupidity came from those that put her in that position. | |||
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"A normal nation state is inevitable. The clue is "normal". That's all we ask, to be the same. It will happen. The weans will do it even if we can't. " I doubt it, Westminster won't allow another slip like that. It will be normal, just normal as per what Westminster dictates. | |||
"Still don't get this Scottish nazi party wanted us to be ruled by Brussels independent really ?, all her victories brilliant super but never mind that we pay more taxes than the rest of UK and has run Scotland into ground can't even build a couple of ferry's hospitals schools police in a mess time we got politicians that can run country properly and she lost her cup final chasing moonbeams with the moonhowlers " And who do you think would run the country? | |||
"To her loyal supporters, never forget Police Scotland The education system The ferries Higher taxation than the rest of uk Duelling of a9 and a96 Oh and the self gender twaddle Yes she was brilliant wasnt she " | |||
"Finally this dangerous fantasist has gone " Can you explain your reason for that statement | |||
"Don't like her, but good luck to her. During Covid, I thought she did a good job most of the time. Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though " | |||
"Finally this dangerous fantasist has gone Ridiculous post, and belongs in the politics section. " So someone has an opinion you don't like so you shout them down and demand their post being moved to another forum. Personally I agree with it!!! | |||
"Finally this dangerous fantasist has gone Ridiculous post, and belongs in the politics section. So someone has an opinion you don't like so you shout them down and demand their post being moved to another forum. Personally I agree with it!!! " How is that shouting them down. And where exactly is the demanding part. You might be aware that there is a politics section on the forum. If this isn't political then what is? Rhetorical question, I can see you might have trouble answering it. | |||
"Still don't get this Scottish nazi party wanted us to be ruled by Brussels independent really ?, all her victories brilliant super but never mind that we pay more taxes than the rest of UK and has run Scotland into ground can't even build a couple of ferry's hospitals schools police in a mess time we got politicians that can run country properly and she lost her cup final chasing moonbeams with the moonhowlers " You should google Godwin’s law. | |||
"Finally this dangerous fantasist has gone Ridiculous post, and belongs in the politics section. So someone has an opinion you don't like so you shout them down and demand their post being moved to another forum. Personally I agree with it!!! How is that shouting them down. And where exactly is the demanding part. You might be aware that there is a politics section on the forum. If this isn't political then what is? Rhetorical question, I can see you might have trouble answering it. " It’s also pertaining to Scotland , she tried her best to ruin Scotland economy,schooling NHS, island ferries, police service etc etc so yes it’s is politics it’s also Scotland She had no desire for independence nor was she respectful of democracy as was displayed by her ambition to join the wholly un democratic EU Her sole being was hatred for the evil Toories or Westminster or English truck drivers A thoroughly nasty person and Scotland is best shot of her But yes it is politics you are right on that alone | |||
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"The nazi references are out of order, uncalled for and disgusting. Not sure why fab allows this. " Nor the constant Jimmy Krankie references. Neither original nor funny, rather pathetic. | |||
"The nazi references are out of order, uncalled for and disgusting. Not sure why fab allows this. Nor the constant Jimmy Krankie references. Neither original nor funny, rather pathetic." | |||
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"The nazi references are out of order, uncalled for and disgusting. Not sure why fab allows this. " certainly helps to know who to block though | |||
"The nazi references are out of order, uncalled for and disgusting. Not sure why fab allows this. " Nationalism = racism For centuries to come historians will be studying the iron grip herr sturgeon and her SNP cronies held over this country of ours all the while running it into the ground. I take it you understand devolution and how much of a mess they have made of the devolved powers they are actually in control of? | |||
"Finally this dangerous fantasist has gone How many useless PMs did see see in and Out? of course she wasn't perfect, at least she cared about the country you live in. " | |||
"Some of the replies on here are cringey as fuck....sad people with sad lives Lets get Scotland the fuck out the uk. We deserve better " We do..and now wee Jimmy Krankie has gone hopefully we will see sense as a nation and vote for better at next opportunity. | |||
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"Yeah when she wasn’t flying down to France to see her girlfriend during lockdown while we couldn’t go anywhere! Super injunction obtained to prevent that from getting in the media. Every reason to expect the next one to be just as corrupt though If it wasn't in the media then how do you know about it? I know the journalist who has been prevented from reporting on this for the last two years! Hahaha hahaha. What else did he tell you? This is comedy gold. Keep them coming " Nicola Sturgeon had a female partner before she rose within the SNP and married for convenience. Her constituents knew about it before you ask about my source. | |||
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"I bet most of you guys would still like to fuck her tho" Christ...it's grim that a woman was the first to trot out this line | |||
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"Well using this forum post alone as a straw poll it seems that the lovely Nicola wasn’t as loved as she thought she was As for the nats _iew that she won election after election so she must have been popular well she lost every election for a real MP job, so she gave up on that idea, she lost the indi ref, she lost the EU ref , in fact she seemed to choose the losing side more often than not Really she was a waste of space who presented a dangerous fairy story to those still fighting the battles of Culloden and Bannockburn " Actually, Scotland voted to remain in the EU and rejected Brexit. | |||
"Well using this forum post alone as a straw poll it seems that the lovely Nicola wasn’t as loved as she thought she was As for the nats _iew that she won election after election so she must have been popular well she lost every election for a real MP job, so she gave up on that idea, she lost the indi ref, she lost the EU ref , in fact she seemed to choose the losing side more often than not Really she was a waste of space who presented a dangerous fairy story to those still fighting the battles of Culloden and Bannockburn Actually, Scotland voted to remain in the EU and rejected Brexit. " They were the minority vote. The same as the Welsh and Northern Irish that voted to remain. The majority regardless of where you live in the UK voted to leave. | |||
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"Yeah and Scotland voted to reject independence so why does the SNP keep trying to get an other vote is it never going to end SNP voters take no for an answer. " They were promised all sorts of wonderful things by their leader. An independent Scotland with trade and travel links to Europe. A huge oil wealth, industry and manufacturing growth, lower taxes and it's own currency. The reality is the SNP party failed to achieve the majority of it's proposed mandate (as have the other parties). Some supporters have chosen to move on, and press ahead with what really matters in Scotland. Some won't. | |||
"Well using this forum post alone as a straw poll it seems that the lovely Nicola wasn’t as loved as she thought she was As for the nats _iew that she won election after election so she must have been popular well she lost every election for a real MP job, so she gave up on that idea, she lost the indi ref, she lost the EU ref , in fact she seemed to choose the losing side more often than not Really she was a waste of space who presented a dangerous fairy story to those still fighting the battles of Culloden and Bannockburn Actually, Scotland voted to remain in the EU and rejected Brexit. " What a tiresome banal argument this is , moray voted conservative at the general election on your logic moray should not accept a SNP government , it’s called democracy , jeeze what a ridiculous argument Scotland voted in is | |||
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"This thread is a gift to my block list and I hope that the feeling is mutual. " Meh your a single bloke, I doubt anyone would notice Sorry that was to easy. | |||
"This thread is a gift to my block list and I hope that the feeling is mutual. " So you would base your potential meets on political bias? | |||
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"Well using this forum post alone as a straw poll it seems that the lovely Nicola wasn’t as loved as she thought she was As for the nats _iew that she won election after election so she must have been popular well she lost every election for a real MP job, so she gave up on that idea, she lost the indi ref, she lost the EU ref , in fact she seemed to choose the losing side more often than not Really she was a waste of space who presented a dangerous fairy story to those still fighting the battles of Culloden and Bannockburn Actually, Scotland voted to remain in the EU and rejected Brexit. They were the minority vote. The same as the Welsh and Northern Irish that voted to remain. The majority regardless of where you live in the UK voted to leave. " We can breakdown data by nations and, in reporting and looking at the data, the majority of those living in Scotland did vote to remain. That is a fact. It was a minority in the UK context but not in the Scottish. So, no, that desire outcome was not the minority in the context the previous poster was talking about. | |||
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"Couldnt read everyones messages as i disagreed with the SNP haters who voted NO, who are loyal to not only the biggest liars in UK politics but loyal to a goverment which is westminister who said back in tge referendum that the oil was running out and the value of it was diminishing(record profits being produced) a goverment whose MPs have shares in all the big energy providers who again post record profits allowing the elderly and disabled people to live in a world they cant afford to heat there houses. The snp werent determined to join the EU, Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU but against our will were forced to leave so that the goverment all SNP haters love could post these record profit. What you see happening in ukraine apart from being bombing Scotland has been getting ruled and cheated for more than 500 years, yes thats because ENGLAND need SCOTLAND, we dont need England or any other uk country as we have the resources that keep the UK war efforts need to support it, oil, whiskey, gaming, forrestry and so on, ENGLAND has no natural resources therefor its economy would would without SCOTLAND yet Nicola Sturgeon did her best with very little resources dictated by a tory goverment over 500 miles away whichdecides how much how much of a percentage of these resources profits we are allowed to use to fund the NHS, fund councils etc. NICOLA is a legend who did her best with her hands tied behind her back so enjoy war all you tory loving easily brainwashed, deluded tory lovers,ALBA GU BRATH!!! Free Scotland " Well said, agree with everything you say. We need to be in control of our own destiny. Our votes need to start to count for something. We should be no ones lap dog. Scotland is well equipped to go out and thrive in its own. It deserves to. Sturgeon is the best politician of my lifetime and will be sadly missed. | |||
"Couldnt read everyones messages as i disagreed with the SNP haters who voted NO, who are loyal to not only the biggest liars in UK politics but loyal to a goverment which is westminister who said back in tge referendum that the oil was running out and the value of it was diminishing(record profits being produced) a goverment whose MPs have shares in all the big energy providers who again post record profits allowing the elderly and disabled people to live in a world they cant afford to heat there houses. The snp werent determined to join the EU, Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU but against our will were forced to leave so that the goverment all SNP haters love could post these record profit. What you see happening in ukraine apart from being bombing Scotland has been getting ruled and cheated for more than 500 years, yes thats because ENGLAND need SCOTLAND, we dont need England or any other uk country as we have the resources that keep the UK war efforts need to support it, oil, whiskey, gaming, forrestry and so on, ENGLAND has no natural resources therefor its economy would would without SCOTLAND yet Nicola Sturgeon did her best with very little resources dictated by a tory goverment over 500 miles away whichdecides how much how much of a percentage of these resources profits we are allowed to use to fund the NHS, fund councils etc. NICOLA is a legend who did her best with her hands tied behind her back so enjoy war all you tory loving easily brainwashed, deluded tory lovers,ALBA GU BRATH!!! Free Scotland Well said, agree with everything you say. We need to be in control of our own destiny. Our votes need to start to count for something. We should be no ones lap dog. Scotland is well equipped to go out and thrive in its own. It deserves to. Sturgeon is the best politician of my lifetime and will be sadly missed. " Shes not gone in fact shes in a better position now to drive the independence campaign on now she doesnt need to do a job with her hands tied behind her back, whoever takes the SNP hotseat is working on a budget that westminister decides, Nicola has had enough so now she is putting all her time and effortd into independence, on you go Nicola we are all behind you | |||
"I’m assuming all those who keep going on about the weird conspiracy that Sturgeon is a closet lesbian, are completely open with every single person in their life that they are swingers. The rampant hypocritical, let alone fantastical, behaviour on display here is staggering. Topped with the misogyny, homophobia and antisemitism…" Nothing ‘closet’ about her being a lesbian. She lived with a female partner before conveniently marrying and rising within the ranks of the SNP party. One if my friends lives in her constituency. I wonder how much longer her marriage will last now that it won’t be of any political benefit to her. Swinging is a lifestyle, being lesbian is a sexual preference. Two distinctly different things. I’m female and bi so definitely not a misogynist or homophobic. | |||
"I’m assuming all those who keep going on about the weird conspiracy that Sturgeon is a closet lesbian, are completely open with every single person in their life that they are swingers. The rampant hypocritical, let alone fantastical, behaviour on display here is staggering. Topped with the misogyny, homophobia and antisemitism… Nothing ‘closet’ about her being a lesbian. She lived with a female partner before conveniently marrying and rising within the ranks of the SNP party. One if my friends lives in her constituency. I wonder how much longer her marriage will last now that it won’t be of any political benefit to her. Swinging is a lifestyle, being lesbian is a sexual preference. Two distinctly different things. I’m female and bi so definitely not a misogynist or homophobic. " She could also just be bi…and what does it matter if she is? Isn’t it more telling about society if she felt the need to appear as a straight, married female rather than any judgement on her? I think the previous poster was comparing swinging and sexuality in order to highlight that people can choose to keep things secret. No one owes anything to anyone in what they tell people or keep secret - how does her potential sexuality impact on any part of her ability or do her job? It shouldn’t be a topic of discussion. And, again, read the post, he was clearly implying homophobia, misogyny were on this forum and not explicitly from you. Although worrying that you didn’t reply saying you weren’t anti-Semitic… | |||
"One if my friends lives in her constituency. " And so of course, that must mean your friend knows about her sex life | |||
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"I’m assuming all those who keep going on about the weird conspiracy that Sturgeon is a closet lesbian, are completely open with every single person in their life that they are swingers. The rampant hypocritical, let alone fantastical, behaviour on display here is staggering. Topped with the misogyny, homophobia and antisemitism…" | |||
"I’m assuming all those who keep going on about the weird conspiracy that Sturgeon is a closet lesbian, are completely open with every single person in their life that they are swingers. The rampant hypocritical, let alone fantastical, behaviour on display here is staggering. Topped with the misogyny, homophobia and antisemitism… Nothing ‘closet’ about her being a lesbian. She lived with a female partner before conveniently marrying and rising within the ranks of the SNP party. One if my friends lives in her constituency. I wonder how much longer her marriage will last now that it won’t be of any political benefit to her. Swinging is a lifestyle, being lesbian is a sexual preference. Two distinctly different things. I’m female and bi so definitely not a misogynist or homophobic. " Sorry but i think its sad that someone felt the need to highlights someones sexuality as a topic to discuss when deciding to resign from a job that she was dedicated to for a long time, longer than any other first minister of Scotland | |||
"I’m assuming all those who keep going on about the weird conspiracy that Sturgeon is a closet lesbian, are completely open with every single person in their life that they are swingers. The rampant hypocritical, let alone fantastical, behaviour on display here is staggering. Topped with the misogyny, homophobia and antisemitism… Nothing ‘closet’ about her being a lesbian. She lived with a female partner before conveniently marrying and rising within the ranks of the SNP party. One if my friends lives in her constituency. I wonder how much longer her marriage will last now that it won’t be of any political benefit to her. Swinging is a lifestyle, being lesbian is a sexual preference. Two distinctly different things. I’m female and bi so definitely not a misogynist or homophobic. " Educate yourself on the concept on internalisation. And then consider how many women or gay men have used hate to leverage their own power. Just being something doesn’t mean you are exempt from displaying and using hate again those who are similar. | |||
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"To her loyal supporters, never forget Police Scotland The education system The ferries Higher taxation than the rest of uk Duelling of a9 and a96 Oh and the self gender twaddle Yes she was brilliant wasnt she " Not forgetting letting oaps out of hospital during covid, no defence plans, no plans for Scottish currency, oil gone down the tubes but it will be alright be back in the EU, oh no we won’t as got to wait 5 years then any EU member can block it and by then finances will be in such a state EU won’t accept Scotland!! | |||
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"Majority of Scotland kept her in a job for 8 years so she couldn’t be that bad !! Can’t deny she loves our country. I’m an Indy voter but she’ll be missed. Fear for the snp now though and would you rather have labour or tories in control ????????????????????" Majority of London kept Boris Johnson as Mayor for 8 years so he couldn't be that bad... | |||
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"Got to love the servile, unimaginative folk convinced by UK gov & media propaganda that Scotland is singularly the only country in the world too wee, too poor & too stupid to be independent. Scotland is none of those things. Smaller countries than us in Europe have made use of all the levers being fully independent brings & manage just fine with much fewer natural resources than Scotland has. Brilliant for adding folk to the block list this thread!" | |||
"To her loyal supporters, never forget Police Scotland The education system The ferries Higher taxation than the rest of uk Duelling of a9 and a96 Oh and the self gender twaddle Yes she was brilliant wasnt she Not forgetting letting oaps out of hospital during covid, no defence plans, no plans for Scottish currency, oil gone down the tubes but it will be alright be back in the EU, oh no we won’t as got to wait 5 years then any EU member can block it and by then finances will be in such a state EU won’t accept Scotland!!" What a total load of b&££$@t, Scotland dont control the oil, its your so called better together tories that control it to fund there obsession and war against Putin, are all you Scotland and SNP haters heads so far up your arses that yous cznt see war coming? Scotland coped better than any other UK nation during covid, at least they werent partying away like boris and the other torie members when they OAPS were dying eh | |||
"I meet different people in different circumstances . Usually every week and 90% of the ones I talk to do not want independence or the snp !! I don’t understand the figures saying they want independence " Yet the SNP control almost every constituency in Scotland because the people voted for them, are you in tge south coast of ENGLAND having these discussions?? SCotland need independence, ENGLAND need Scotland simple as that, Scotland dont need England or any other UK nation we have more natural resources than all 3 other nations put together, open your eyes Scotlands getting r@ped by the UK | |||
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"Great leader, great politician and will be sorely missed. Had the brain washed unionists who lap up the propaganda running scared. " What total drivel.... | |||
"I meet different people in different circumstances . Usually every week and 90% of the ones I talk to do not want independence or the snp !! I don’t understand the figures saying they want independence Yet the SNP control almost every constituency in Scotland because the people voted for them, are you in tge south coast of ENGLAND having these discussions?? SCotland need independence, ENGLAND need Scotland simple as that, Scotland dont need England or any other UK nation we have more natural resources than all 3 other nations put together, open your eyes Scotlands getting r@ped by the UK" More money per head of population is spent on Scotland... Natural resources aren't owned by Scotland. Can see how brainwashing sturgeon has been. | |||
"Don’t do politics as it’s boring and they are all liars cheats, idiots and fakes, like a lot of people on here (thumb 6 verifications in one day being an example or those who advertise narcotics on here REALLY WTF. It doesn’t matter who or what is in charge of our great nation nothing will ever change for the good and from the moment you are born you die so we are all fucked anyway." Well ain't you a great big ray of sunshine on a cloudy day! | |||
"To her loyal supporters, never forget Police Scotland The education system The ferries Higher taxation than the rest of uk Duelling of a9 and a96 Oh and the self gender twaddle Yes she was brilliant wasnt she " I have to agree with you, the SNP have and continue to ruin Scotland for all the above reasons and many more. Nothing is ever their fault, always quick to blame Westminster even for devolved issues. Always demanding more money which begs the question how would they run the country without Westminster support. For those who dont understand the Barnett Formula.....Scotland receives more from Westminster than they pay to Westminster. | |||
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"Couldnt read everyones messages as i disagreed with the SNP haters who voted NO, who are loyal to not only the biggest liars in UK politics but loyal to a goverment which is westminister who said back in tge referendum that the oil was running out and the value of it was diminishing(record profits being produced) a goverment whose MPs have shares in all the big energy providers who again post record profits allowing the elderly and disabled people to live in a world they cant afford to heat there houses. The snp werent determined to join the EU, Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU but against our will were forced to leave so that the goverment all SNP haters love could post these record profit. What you see happening in ukraine apart from being bombing Scotland has been getting ruled and cheated for more than 500 years, yes thats because ENGLAND need SCOTLAND, we dont need England or any other uk country as we have the resources that keep the UK war efforts need to support it, oil, whiskey, gaming, forrestry and so on, ENGLAND has no natural resources therefor its economy would would without SCOTLAND yet Nicola Sturgeon did her best with very little resources dictated by a tory goverment over 500 miles away whichdecides how much how much of a percentage of these resources profits we are allowed to use to fund the NHS, fund councils etc. NICOLA is a legend who did her best with her hands tied behind her back so enjoy war all you tory loving easily brainwashed, deluded tory lovers,ALBA GU BRATH!!! Free Scotland " This is spot on, for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would want to stay part of a union which by no means is equal in any part. I'd like to hear the amazing reason's why we should staying the union I've never heard anyone say why we should and why it's the best thing to do??? | |||
"Couldnt read everyones messages as i disagreed with the SNP haters who voted NO, who are loyal to not only the biggest liars in UK politics but loyal to a goverment which is westminister who said back in tge referendum that the oil was running out and the value of it was diminishing(record profits being produced) a goverment whose MPs have shares in all the big energy providers who again post record profits allowing the elderly and disabled people to live in a world they cant afford to heat there houses. The snp werent determined to join the EU, Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU but against our will were forced to leave so that the goverment all SNP haters love could post these record profit. What you see happening in ukraine apart from being bombing Scotland has been getting ruled and cheated for more than 500 years, yes thats because ENGLAND need SCOTLAND, we dont need England or any other uk country as we have the resources that keep the UK war efforts need to support it, oil, whiskey, gaming, forrestry and so on, ENGLAND has no natural resources therefor its economy would would without SCOTLAND yet Nicola Sturgeon did her best with very little resources dictated by a tory goverment over 500 miles away whichdecides how much how much of a percentage of these resources profits we are allowed to use to fund the NHS, fund councils etc. NICOLA is a legend who did her best with her hands tied behind her back so enjoy war all you tory loving easily brainwashed, deluded tory lovers,ALBA GU BRATH!!! Free Scotland This is spot on, for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would want to stay part of a union which by no means is equal in any part. I'd like to hear the amazing reason's why we should staying the union I've never heard anyone say why we should and why it's the best thing to do???" You dont want one union which gives you money hand over fist but want another where you'll have even less say and less money?? | |||
"Couldnt read everyones messages as i disagreed with the SNP haters who voted NO, who are loyal to not only the biggest liars in UK politics but loyal to a goverment which is westminister who said back in tge referendum that the oil was running out and the value of it was diminishing(record profits being produced) a goverment whose MPs have shares in all the big energy providers who again post record profits allowing the elderly and disabled people to live in a world they cant afford to heat there houses. The snp werent determined to join the EU, Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU but against our will were forced to leave so that the goverment all SNP haters love could post these record profit. What you see happening in ukraine apart from being bombing Scotland has been getting ruled and cheated for more than 500 years, yes thats because ENGLAND need SCOTLAND, we dont need England or any other uk country as we have the resources that keep the UK war efforts need to support it, oil, whiskey, gaming, forrestry and so on, ENGLAND has no natural resources therefor its economy would would without SCOTLAND yet Nicola Sturgeon did her best with very little resources dictated by a tory goverment over 500 miles away whichdecides how much how much of a percentage of these resources profits we are allowed to use to fund the NHS, fund councils etc. NICOLA is a legend who did her best with her hands tied behind her back so enjoy war all you tory loving easily brainwashed, deluded tory lovers,ALBA GU BRATH!!! Free Scotland This is spot on, for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would want to stay part of a union which by no means is equal in any part. I'd like to hear the amazing reason's why we should staying the union I've never heard anyone say why we should and why it's the best thing to do??? You dont want one union which gives you money hand over fist but want another where you'll have even less say and less money?? " Well the propaganda certainly works. | |||
"Couldnt read everyones messages as i disagreed with the SNP haters who voted NO, who are loyal to not only the biggest liars in UK politics but loyal to a goverment which is westminister who said back in tge referendum that the oil was running out and the value of it was diminishing(record profits being produced) a goverment whose MPs have shares in all the big energy providers who again post record profits allowing the elderly and disabled people to live in a world they cant afford to heat there houses. The snp werent determined to join the EU, Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU but against our will were forced to leave so that the goverment all SNP haters love could post these record profit. What you see happening in ukraine apart from being bombing Scotland has been getting ruled and cheated for more than 500 years, yes thats because ENGLAND need SCOTLAND, we dont need England or any other uk country as we have the resources that keep the UK war efforts need to support it, oil, whiskey, gaming, forrestry and so on, ENGLAND has no natural resources therefor its economy would would without SCOTLAND yet Nicola Sturgeon did her best with very little resources dictated by a tory goverment over 500 miles away whichdecides how much how much of a percentage of these resources profits we are allowed to use to fund the NHS, fund councils etc. NICOLA is a legend who did her best with her hands tied behind her back so enjoy war all you tory loving easily brainwashed, deluded tory lovers,ALBA GU BRATH!!! Free Scotland This is spot on, for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would want to stay part of a union which by no means is equal in any part. I'd like to hear the amazing reason's why we should staying the union I've never heard anyone say why we should and why it's the best thing to do???" lmfao If you hate the United Kingdom so much, why do you stay in it | |||
"I meet different people in different circumstances . Usually every week and 90% of the ones I talk to do not want independence or the snp !! I don’t understand the figures saying they want independence Yet the SNP control almost every constituency in Scotland because the people voted for them, are you in tge south coast of ENGLAND having these discussions?? SCotland need independence, ENGLAND need Scotland simple as that, Scotland dont need England or any other UK nation we have more natural resources than all 3 other nations put together, open your eyes Scotlands getting r@ped by the UK More money per head of population is spent on Scotland... Natural resources aren't owned by Scotland. Can see how brainwashing sturgeon has been. " | |||
"Finally this dangerous fantasist has gone " not quite gone, she hopes she is gone, she hopes she is hidden but the police will eventually catch up with her. wonder what gender she will decide to be when she is sent to prison?? £600,000 | |||
"Couldnt read everyones messages as i disagreed with the SNP haters who voted NO, who are loyal to not only the biggest liars in UK politics but loyal to a goverment which is westminister who said back in tge referendum that the oil was running out and the value of it was diminishing(record profits being produced) a goverment whose MPs have shares in all the big energy providers who again post record profits allowing the elderly and disabled people to live in a world they cant afford to heat there houses. The snp werent determined to join the EU, Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU but against our will were forced to leave so that the goverment all SNP haters love could post these record profit. What you see happening in ukraine apart from being bombing Scotland has been getting ruled and cheated for more than 500 years, yes thats because ENGLAND need SCOTLAND, we dont need England or any other uk country as we have the resources that keep the UK war efforts need to support it, oil, whiskey, gaming, forrestry and so on, ENGLAND has no natural resources therefor its economy would would without SCOTLAND yet Nicola Sturgeon did her best with very little resources dictated by a tory goverment over 500 miles away whichdecides how much how much of a percentage of these resources profits we are allowed to use to fund the NHS, fund councils etc. NICOLA is a legend who did her best with her hands tied behind her back so enjoy war all you tory loving easily brainwashed, deluded tory lovers,ALBA GU BRATH!!! Free Scotland This is spot on, for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would want to stay part of a union which by no means is equal in any part. I'd like to hear the amazing reason's why we should staying the union I've never heard anyone say why we should and why it's the best thing to do??? lmfao If you hate the United Kingdom so much, why do you stay in it " I for one don't. Not my flag, not my country. Iv already said to my Mrs if don't get independence and the timing is right in regards to the kids grown up etc I'd be open to moving abroad. Can't stomach the union. | |||
"Couldnt read everyones messages as i disagreed with the SNP haters who voted NO, who are loyal to not only the biggest liars in UK politics but loyal to a goverment which is westminister who said back in tge referendum that the oil was running out and the value of it was diminishing(record profits being produced) a goverment whose MPs have shares in all the big energy providers who again post record profits allowing the elderly and disabled people to live in a world they cant afford to heat there houses. The snp werent determined to join the EU, Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU but against our will were forced to leave so that the goverment all SNP haters love could post these record profit. What you see happening in ukraine apart from being bombing Scotland has been getting ruled and cheated for more than 500 years, yes thats because ENGLAND need SCOTLAND, we dont need England or any other uk country as we have the resources that keep the UK war efforts need to support it, oil, whiskey, gaming, forrestry and so on, ENGLAND has no natural resources therefor its economy would would without SCOTLAND yet Nicola Sturgeon did her best with very little resources dictated by a tory goverment over 500 miles away whichdecides how much how much of a percentage of these resources profits we are allowed to use to fund the NHS, fund councils etc. NICOLA is a legend who did her best with her hands tied behind her back so enjoy war all you tory loving easily brainwashed, deluded tory lovers,ALBA GU BRATH!!! Free Scotland This is spot on, for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would want to stay part of a union which by no means is equal in any part. I'd like to hear the amazing reason's why we should staying the union I've never heard anyone say why we should and why it's the best thing to do??? lmfao If you hate the United Kingdom so much, why do you stay in it " Where does it say hate the uk ? | |||
"Couldnt read everyones messages as i disagreed with the SNP haters who voted NO, who are loyal to not only the biggest liars in UK politics but loyal to a goverment which is westminister who said back in tge referendum that the oil was running out and the value of it was diminishing(record profits being produced) a goverment whose MPs have shares in all the big energy providers who again post record profits allowing the elderly and disabled people to live in a world they cant afford to heat there houses. The snp werent determined to join the EU, Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU but against our will were forced to leave so that the goverment all SNP haters love could post these record profit. What you see happening in ukraine apart from being bombing Scotland has been getting ruled and cheated for more than 500 years, yes thats because ENGLAND need SCOTLAND, we dont need England or any other uk country as we have the resources that keep the UK war efforts need to support it, oil, whiskey, gaming, forrestry and so on, ENGLAND has no natural resources therefor its economy would would without SCOTLAND yet Nicola Sturgeon did her best with very little resources dictated by a tory goverment over 500 miles away whichdecides how much how much of a percentage of these resources profits we are allowed to use to fund the NHS, fund councils etc. NICOLA is a legend who did her best with her hands tied behind her back so enjoy war all you tory loving easily brainwashed, deluded tory lovers,ALBA GU BRATH!!! Free Scotland This is spot on, for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would want to stay part of a union which by no means is equal in any part. I'd like to hear the amazing reason's why we should staying the union I've never heard anyone say why we should and why it's the best thing to do??? lmfao If you hate the United Kingdom so much, why do you stay in it I for one don't. Not my flag, not my country. Iv already said to my Mrs if don't get independence and the timing is right in regards to the kids grown up etc I'd be open to moving abroad. Can't stomach the union. " hahaha and what country would you escape to? where would you move? best start thinking now, because you will never see an independent Scotland, the snp are not capable of achieving this and your numbers are dropping daily. | |||
"Couldnt read everyones messages as i disagreed with the SNP haters who voted NO, who are loyal to not only the biggest liars in UK politics but loyal to a goverment which is westminister who said back in tge referendum that the oil was running out and the value of it was diminishing(record profits being produced) a goverment whose MPs have shares in all the big energy providers who again post record profits allowing the elderly and disabled people to live in a world they cant afford to heat there houses. The snp werent determined to join the EU, Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU but against our will were forced to leave so that the goverment all SNP haters love could post these record profit. What you see happening in ukraine apart from being bombing Scotland has been getting ruled and cheated for more than 500 years, yes thats because ENGLAND need SCOTLAND, we dont need England or any other uk country as we have the resources that keep the UK war efforts need to support it, oil, whiskey, gaming, forrestry and so on, ENGLAND has no natural resources therefor its economy would would without SCOTLAND yet Nicola Sturgeon did her best with very little resources dictated by a tory goverment over 500 miles away whichdecides how much how much of a percentage of these resources profits we are allowed to use to fund the NHS, fund councils etc. NICOLA is a legend who did her best with her hands tied behind her back so enjoy war all you tory loving easily brainwashed, deluded tory lovers,ALBA GU BRATH!!! Free Scotland This is spot on, for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would want to stay part of a union which by no means is equal in any part. I'd like to hear the amazing reason's why we should staying the union I've never heard anyone say why we should and why it's the best thing to do??? lmfao If you hate the United Kingdom so much, why do you stay in it I for one don't. Not my flag, not my country. Iv already said to my Mrs if don't get independence and the timing is right in regards to the kids grown up etc I'd be open to moving abroad. Can't stomach the union. hahaha and what country would you escape to? where would you move? best start thinking now, because you will never see an independent Scotland, the snp are not capable of achieving this and your numbers are dropping daily." Beyond belief that folk like yourself can't see the wood for the trees | |||
"I meet different people in different circumstances . Usually every week and 90% of the ones I talk to do not want independence or the snp !! I don’t understand the figures saying they want independence Yet the SNP control almost every constituency in Scotland because the people voted for them, are you in tge south coast of ENGLAND having these discussions?? SCotland need independence, ENGLAND need Scotland simple as that, Scotland dont need England or any other UK nation we have more natural resources than all 3 other nations put together, open your eyes Scotlands getting r@ped by the UK More money per head of population is spent on Scotland... Natural resources aren't owned by Scotland. Can see how brainwashing sturgeon has been. " Heard it all now, you say SCOTLANDS natural resources arent owned by SCOTLAND yes we know that they are owned by ENGLISH companies, in what walk of life is it fair that english companies and the englush income tax service benefit from resources that the country tge resources are dont benefit?? Fu d the war in ukraine, fund the wR that scotland should be fighting the uk goverment. Not got a clue what your talking about | |||
"Couldnt read everyones messages as i disagreed with the SNP haters who voted NO, who are loyal to not only the biggest liars in UK politics but loyal to a goverment which is westminister who said back in tge referendum that the oil was running out and the value of it was diminishing(record profits being produced) a goverment whose MPs have shares in all the big energy providers who again post record profits allowing the elderly and disabled people to live in a world they cant afford to heat there houses. The snp werent determined to join the EU, Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU but against our will were forced to leave so that the goverment all SNP haters love could post these record profit. What you see happening in ukraine apart from being bombing Scotland has been getting ruled and cheated for more than 500 years, yes thats because ENGLAND need SCOTLAND, we dont need England or any other uk country as we have the resources that keep the UK war efforts need to support it, oil, whiskey, gaming, forrestry and so on, ENGLAND has no natural resources therefor its economy would would without SCOTLAND yet Nicola Sturgeon did her best with very little resources dictated by a tory goverment over 500 miles away whichdecides how much how much of a percentage of these resources profits we are allowed to use to fund the NHS, fund councils etc. NICOLA is a legend who did her best with her hands tied behind her back so enjoy war all you tory loving easily brainwashed, deluded tory lovers,ALBA GU BRATH!!! Free Scotland This is spot on, for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would want to stay part of a union which by no means is equal in any part. I'd like to hear the amazing reason's why we should staying the union I've never heard anyone say why we should and why it's the best thing to do??? lmfao If you hate the United Kingdom so much, why do you stay in it I for one don't. Not my flag, not my country. Iv already said to my Mrs if don't get independence and the timing is right in regards to the kids grown up etc I'd be open to moving abroad. Can't stomach the union. hahaha and what country would you escape to? where would you move? best start thinking now, because you will never see an independent Scotland, the snp are not capable of achieving this and your numbers are dropping daily. Beyond belief that folk like yourself can't see the wood for the trees" you still haven't said where you are moving to | |||
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"Can I ask why nationalits still think Scotland can be self sustaining? It been mentioned above that the majority of funding comes from Westminster. A hard reset and fresh start seems an illogical move considerably the current climate. Is it just a matter of pride that nationalists refuse to work with unionist's for a better Scotland?" They will never give you an honest answer, they have no answer for where the money will come from, what currency they will use. The ship building will stop as they cant build warships for the UK if independant. Europe wont let them join either. We already pay higher income tax, the minimum pricing on alcohol has been proved not to work too. We will end up paying higher council tax as central government reduce what they give to councils, income tax will rise so will NI. Services will be cut.......its going to be a shit show. | |||
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"You won’t hear any legitimate positive reasons, only unionist sound bites, and propaganda. I’d rather have my money go to Edinburgh as opposed to Westminster with they give two fucks less for anywhere above the Watford gap. Also as for someone above who mentioned leaving one union to be ruled by one in Brussels. Here’s a question for you. Are Spain, Germany, France and the rest of the EU countries not independent? Also politics are fluid, yes the nationalists lost the in 2014 (better together only won, because of project fear, this came straight from Blair McDougall. Look it up) does that mean we say “oh well fuck it we tried!” With that mindset we shouldn’t have any elections then. Might I remind you Northern Ireland gets a referendum on the constitutional issues every seven years." I don't think Scotland as an independent country is viable. Where will the money come from? I voted yes in 2014, but after a decade, I've seen nothing but hollow promises and "but when we get independence" everything will suddenly be better, Scotland will prosper and thrive. | |||
"Couldnt read everyones messages as i disagreed with the SNP haters who voted NO, who are loyal to not only the biggest liars in UK politics but loyal to a goverment which is westminister who said back in tge referendum that the oil was running out and the value of it was diminishing(record profits being produced) a goverment whose MPs have shares in all the big energy providers who again post record profits allowing the elderly and disabled people to live in a world they cant afford to heat there houses. The snp werent determined to join the EU, Scotland voted to REMAIN in the EU but against our will were forced to leave so that the goverment all SNP haters love could post these record profit. What you see happening in ukraine apart from being bombing Scotland has been getting ruled and cheated for more than 500 years, yes thats because ENGLAND need SCOTLAND, we dont need England or any other uk country as we have the resources that keep the UK war efforts need to support it, oil, whiskey, gaming, forrestry and so on, ENGLAND has no natural resources therefor its economy would would without SCOTLAND yet Nicola Sturgeon did her best with very little resources dictated by a tory goverment over 500 miles away whichdecides how much how much of a percentage of these resources profits we are allowed to use to fund the NHS, fund councils etc. NICOLA is a legend who did her best with her hands tied behind her back so enjoy war all you tory loving easily brainwashed, deluded tory lovers,ALBA GU BRATH!!! Free Scotland This is spot on, for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone would want to stay part of a union which by no means is equal in any part. I'd like to hear the amazing reason's why we should staying the union I've never heard anyone say why we should and why it's the best thing to do??? lmfao If you hate the United Kingdom so much, why do you stay in it I for one don't. Not my flag, not my country. Iv already said to my Mrs if don't get independence and the timing is right in regards to the kids grown up etc I'd be open to moving abroad. Can't stomach the union. hahaha and what country would you escape to? where would you move? best start thinking now, because you will never see an independent Scotland, the snp are not capable of achieving this and your numbers are dropping daily. Beyond belief that folk like yourself can't see the wood for the trees you still haven't said where you are moving to" As I previously already said, and try to keep up here. It would be in the future. Not now, and that is none of your business. You stick to burying your head in the sand. | |||
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"Remember the old saying from Andrew Carnegie. Anything worth having, is worth working for. " Exactly, of course there would be issues. But who would not want to be in charge of their own destiny. Make decisions to benefit Scotland and vote knowing the vote counts. Scotland have more than enough going for it to be its own country and have been for a lot longer than it has been part of the so called union. | |||
"Remember the old saying from Andrew Carnegie. Anything worth having, is worth working for. Exactly, of course there would be issues. But who would not want to be in charge of their own destiny. Make decisions to benefit Scotland and vote knowing the vote counts. Scotland have more than enough going for it to be its own country and have been for a lot longer than it has been part of the so called union. " I wish I could share your optimism, but it just doesn't seem feasible. | |||
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"How do other countries the size, or smaller than Scotland manage?" Many with less resources. | |||
"The nazi references are out of order, uncalled for and disgusting. Not sure why fab allows this. Nationalism = racism For centuries to come historians will be studying the iron grip herr sturgeon and her SNP cronies held over this country of ours all the while running it into the ground. I take it you understand devolution and how much of a mess they have made of the devolved powers they are actually in control of?" What utter pish. We already have a nation. We seek only statehood. | |||
"How do other countries the size, or smaller than Scotland manage?" They have been independent for decades if not centuries. | |||
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