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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Thoughts on the new rules.
For me the 2nd hand car market is going to explode. As of July 2022 all new cars must be fitted with speed limiters and smart computers to know the speed limit on the road your on . Big brother is shaking the pointy stick again. Will never buy a new car again. |
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"Thoughts on the new rules.
For me the 2nd hand car market is going to explode. As of July 2022 all new cars must be fitted with speed limiters and smart computers to know the speed limit on the road your on . Big brother is shaking the pointy stick again. Will never buy a new car again. "
Mine is a shit heap, I’ll swap you! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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There also looking at making it illegal to open your car door with your right hand.
They say if you use your left hand it forces you to twist your body making you look round for cars or cyclists approaching on your right.
It's pish I tried it this morning and can do it without twisting.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As a cyclist I think speed limiters in a populated area is a great thing. I got passed by a car going 40+ the other day in a 20 zone. Some drivers need to be forced to be safer when driving. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think the new rule on cars turning must give way to pedestrians is mental. That is going to cause more problems than it solves. I for one will NOT be walking in front of any cars. "
2 things for this, rear end collisions will see a huge increase and kids coming out schools or crossing to go to shops at lunchtime will bring traffick to a standstill for huge periods of times. By the time all the kids have crossed to shop the ones coming back will be crossing back to school, rules dictate traffic must allow all pedestrians right of way . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There also looking at making it illegal to open your car door with your right hand.
They say if you use your left hand it forces you to twist your body making you look round for cars or cyclists approaching on your right.
It's pish I tried it this morning and can do it without twisting. "
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"There also looking at making it illegal to open your car door with your right hand.
They say if you use your left hand it forces you to twist your body making you look round for cars or cyclists approaching on your right.
It's pish I tried it this morning and can do it without twisting. "
I can't reach the door handle with my left hand never mind pushing it open. Wee fatty problems  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"There also looking at making it illegal to open your car door with your right hand.
They say if you use your left hand it forces you to twist your body making you look round for cars or cyclists approaching on your right.
It's pish I tried it this morning and can do it without twisting.
I can't reach the door handle with my left hand never mind pushing it open. Wee fatty problems "
So the idea would work for you as it would mean turning your body to the side so you could reach the handle. It's being proposed as heavy fines for non compliance. It is fuckin nonsense.
Imagine being pulled by cops and asked to sit in their car and also get a ticket for exiting your car incorrectly.
Ps there is NO legal obligation for you to leave your car during a stop for any reason ie , spot check , alcohol check, speeding ect , only if they say there arresting you then you are required to get out. |
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"There also looking at making it illegal to open your car door with your right hand.
They say if you use your left hand it forces you to twist your body making you look round for cars or cyclists approaching on your right.
It's pish I tried it this morning and can do it without twisting.
I can't reach the door handle with my left hand never mind pushing it open. Wee fatty problems
So the idea would work for you as it would mean turning your body to the side so you could reach the handle. It's being proposed as heavy fines for non compliance. It is fuckin nonsense.
Imagine being pulled by cops and asked to sit in their car and also get a ticket for exiting your car incorrectly.
Ps there is NO legal obligation for you to leave your car during a stop for any reason ie , spot check , alcohol check, speeding ect , only if they say there arresting you then you are required to get out."
They will need to fine me then....or open the door for me |
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"There also looking at making it illegal to open your car door with your right hand.
They say if you use your left hand it forces you to twist your body making you look round for cars or cyclists approaching on your right.
It's pish I tried it this morning and can do it without twisting.
I can't reach the door handle with my left hand never mind pushing it open. Wee fatty problems
So the idea would work for you as it would mean turning your body to the side so you could reach the handle. It's being proposed as heavy fines for non compliance. It is fuckin nonsense.
Imagine being pulled by cops and asked to sit in their car and also get a ticket for exiting your car incorrectly.
Ps there is NO legal obligation for you to leave your car during a stop for any reason ie , spot check , alcohol check, speeding ect , only if they say there arresting you then you are required to get out."
Really? I’ve always been asked to get in the back of their car! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"There also looking at making it illegal to open your car door with your right hand.
They say if you use your left hand it forces you to twist your body making you look round for cars or cyclists approaching on your right.
It's pish I tried it this morning and can do it without twisting.
I can't reach the door handle with my left hand never mind pushing it open. Wee fatty problems
So the idea would work for you as it would mean turning your body to the side so you could reach the handle. It's being proposed as heavy fines for non compliance. It is fuckin nonsense.
Imagine being pulled by cops and asked to sit in their car and also get a ticket for exiting your car incorrectly.
Ps there is NO legal obligation for you to leave your car during a stop for any reason ie , spot check , alcohol check, speeding ect , only if they say there arresting you then you are required to get out.
Really? I’ve always been asked to get in the back of their car!"
So have I Regina, but no more, they can stand in the rain from now on hopefully.
The idea of putting you in their car is a tactic to give them an upper hand during questioning as well as a camera in their car for proof when you incriminate yourself during "friendly" questioning for some minor issue but it all helps towards their quotas. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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" ...Some drivers need to be forced to be safer when driving.
As do quite a few cyclists. Especially those who consider give way lines and red lights , suggestions  "
100% agree ^^^^^^^^^ |
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" As of July 2022 all new cars must be fitted with speed limiters and smart computers to know the speed limit on the road your on "
 guess it going to be like driving around with your own personal average speed camera keeping an eye on you.
Guess over taking will also become a thing of the past too |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Improving driving standards rather than restricting vehicles. I have been behind many a vehicle doing say 40 in a 60 where there is no risk to going faster. Same car enters a w0 does ot slow down. However the driver that will do 60 or pushe the boundaries when there is low risk but own down in high risk areas is still seen as a maniac. There also needs to be a ban or legal restriction in some bike lights some are like floodlights and also mandatory mirrors on bikes on the road. I cannot take my car on the road in a full racing configuration but doesn't apply to cyclist with who may have limited brakes or feet clamped to pedals etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Thoughts on the new rules.
For me the 2nd hand car market is going to explode. As of July 2022 all new cars must be fitted with speed limiters and smart computers to know the speed limit on the road your on . Big brother is shaking the pointy stick again. Will never buy a new car again. "
The cost of 2nd cars has rocketed. |
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Re new car changes - I'll keep my older car for longer
New highway code - don't believe the poor reporting on this. No significant changes, just a stronger wording around some areas, the new heirachy of vulnerable users and responsibilities.
All of us need to be more respectful and share space. |
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By *andi_CDTV/TS
over a year ago
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"There also looking at making it illegal to open your car door with your right hand.
They say if you use your left hand it forces you to twist your body making you look round for cars or cyclists approaching on your right.
It's pish I tried it this morning and can do it without twisting.
I can't reach the door handle with my left hand never mind pushing it open. Wee fatty problems "
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I'm a cyclist myself and also drive. Many cyclists seem to be totally oblivious of road traffic signals (traffic lights etc) and decide that when a red light is agai them they suddenly turn off and cycle across a pedestrian crossing! None of us "owns" the road so we need to be considerate of each other. It's as simple as that. |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
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Been hit twice, both times they apologised!
luckily the worst I got was a staved wrist bouncing of the side of a car, who crossed to the opposite side of the road to get a parking space....he then moaned because I called him a fuxin blind fecker.
About time the laws changed in favour of cyclists.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's not a law, it's just been added to the Highway Code and if you can manage it it's a good idea to stop folks opening the door in front of cyclists."
Most of the rules are backed up by traffic laws so while your correct your also minimising the power it actually has .
Will be honest I couldn't give a fuck about cyclists, when they start respecting traffic lights I will start respecting them, until then they should stay out my way. |
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"It's not a law, it's just been added to the Highway Code and if you can manage it it's a good idea to stop folks opening the door in front of cyclists.
Most of the rules are backed up by traffic laws so while your correct your also minimising the power it actually has .
Will be honest I couldn't give a fuck about cyclists, when they start respecting traffic lights I will start respecting them, until then they should stay out my way. "
if drivers have to give 1.5 meters gab cyclists should give cars the same distance |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's not a law, it's just been added to the Highway Code and if you can manage it it's a good idea to stop folks opening the door in front of cyclists.
Most of the rules are backed up by traffic laws so while your correct your also minimising the power it actually has .
Will be honest I couldn't give a fuck about cyclists, when they start respecting traffic lights I will start respecting them, until then they should stay out my way. if drivers have to give 1.5 meters gab cyclists should give cars the same distance "
Yeah 1.5 meters downward. |
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They'll need to come up with a new catchy slogan for the green cross code. First thing I learned was "Look left, Look right, Look left again"
ah fuck it just step out from the road that car will stop |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"They'll need to come up with a new catchy slogan for the green cross code. First thing I learned was "Look left, Look right, Look left again"
ah fuck it just step out from the road that car will stop "
Teenagers are gonna love the new rules, walking straight out into traffick knowing they have right of way. The kids do it just now and take the piss running out in front of cars at the local schools , just wait and see how slow they cross from now on. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"They'll need to come up with a new catchy slogan for the green cross code. First thing I learned was "Look left, Look right, Look left again"
ah fuck it just step out from the road that car will stop
Teenagers are gonna love the new rules, walking straight out into traffick knowing they have right of way. The kids do it just now and take the piss running out in front of cars at the local schools , just wait and see how slow they cross from now on."
Could be the death of the lollipop man . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm a cyclist myself and also drive. Many cyclists seem to be totally oblivious of road traffic signals (traffic lights etc) and decide that when a red light is agai them they suddenly turn off and cycle across a pedestrian crossing! None of us "owns" the road so we need to be considerate of each other. It's as simple as that. "
We should use dashcams against the ones who can't stick to the rules of the road. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They'll need to come up with a new catchy slogan for the green cross code. First thing I learned was "Look left, Look right, Look left again"
ah fuck it just step out from the road that car will stop
Teenagers are gonna love the new rules, walking straight out into traffick knowing they have right of way. The kids do it just now and take the piss running out in front of cars at the local schools , just wait and see how slow they cross from now on."
Driving near a school with loads of kids about, you shouldn't be doing more than 20 as it is.
Just try and avoid schools at certain times |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's not a law, it's just been added to the Highway Code and if you can manage it it's a good idea to stop folks opening the door in front of cyclists."
I done this down in Oxford (passenger side)
The guy was raging
He was going to phone the police until I pointed out he had no lights |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There also looking at making it illegal to open your car door with your right hand.
They say if you use your left hand it forces you to twist your body making you look round for cars or cyclists approaching on your right.
It's pish I tried it this morning and can do it without twisting. "
In all fairness I nearly came a cropper riding my bike down viccy road |
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This is really a prelude to self drive cars. They will be on the roads within 10 or less years.
The introduction of these laws now, makes sense from that point of view.
However, I passed my test some 35 years ago, I already don't know what half the signs on the road mean, there will have to be a massive educational program to get this to stick.. |
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Iam all for giving bikes room on the road but for safety reasons should bikes not also have a law to use cycle paths that is on the same route as they are heading have seen many bikes on roads with cycle paths next to main roads |
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"Iam all for giving bikes room on the road but for safety reasons should bikes not also have a law to use cycle paths that is on the same route as they are heading have seen many bikes on roads with cycle paths next to main roads "
That's because there inconsiderate fuckwits, bleet about drivers whilst ignoring the rules of the road themselves. |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
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"Iam all for giving bikes room on the road but for safety reasons should bikes not also have a law to use cycle paths that is on the same route as they are heading have seen many bikes on roads with cycle paths next to main roads
That's because there inconsiderate fuckwits, bleet about drivers whilst ignoring the rules of the road themselves. "
Cmon the Cyclists |
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By *eaSlutsCouple
over a year ago
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"Iam all for giving bikes room on the road but for safety reasons should bikes not also have a law to use cycle paths that is on the same route as they are heading have seen many bikes on roads with cycle paths next to main roads
That's because there inconsiderate fuckwits, bleet about drivers whilst ignoring the rules of the road themselves. "
One of the biggest issues I've found with the cycle lanes is that they aren't maintained that well.
Yes, they are there but they are quite often full of risks (glass etc).
I've been OK so far thankfully due to pretty heavy duty downhill rated tyres on an MTB but I know a lot of road bike users who have had puncture after puncture from riding in the specified lanes. As you can imagine, not the most handy thing when you're trying to commute to work.
If the council were able to commit to regularly firing a street sweeper down the lanes, I'd hope for more regular usage of them.
Granted, there are always clowns who won't use them and cause agro much like there are clowns in cars who endanger cyclists with their driving.
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Anyone arguing that pedestrians/bikes/cars/trucks break the law is a non-argument
All users make mistakes and or break rules, to a greater or lesser extent.
To suggest "all" are therefore somehow responsible for the crap actions of a few is nonsense.
There's a give and take to all this, a respect for everyone on and around roads and pavements. This then is the heirachy of responsibilities that these Highway Code changes bring in.
Please do go and read the .gov site on all this - and don't believe the poor journalism around this... |
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I know in Kirkintilloch Main Street, they have a different style of road compared to the rest of the street, on the bits for people to cross at junctions which is fair enough if you live there but I don’t and didn’t know why all these people were walking out in front of me until I was told why it was happening.
But i don’t see how only turning left it can apply because obv the other side of the road need to stop to allow the person to cross too or they are only able to cross half the road safely :/
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"I know in Kirkintilloch Main Street, they have a different style of road compared to the rest of the street, on the bits for people to cross at junctions which is fair enough if you live there but I don’t and didn’t know why all these people were walking out in front of me until I was told why it was happening.
But i don’t see how only turning left it can apply because obv the other side of the road need to stop to allow the person to cross too or they are only able to cross half the road safely :/
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Whether your turning left or right into another road you still need to give way to a pedestrian, so now main roads could be blocked in both directions by a few pedestrians crossing a side road , it's nuts. |
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"I know in Kirkintilloch Main Street, they have a different style of road compared to the rest of the street, on the bits for people to cross at junctions which is fair enough if you live there but I don’t and didn’t know why all these people were walking out in front of me until I was told why it was happening.
But i don’t see how only turning left it can apply because obv the other side of the road need to stop to allow the person to cross too or they are only able to cross half the road safely :/
Whether your turning left or right into another road you still need to give way to a pedestrian, so now main roads could be blocked in both directions by a few pedestrians crossing a side road , it's nuts."
That’s what I thought but someone had said it’s only When turning left into a junction but it didn’t make sense to be like that lol so I am just going to go with the way I drive through Kirkintilloch and hope for the best..makes me quite scared at the fact people can walk out at such busy junctions! But I’m guessing it only applies if there isn’t already traffic lights and expect them to wait for the green man - surely! |
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"Iam all for giving bikes room on the road but for safety reasons should bikes not also have a law to use cycle paths that is on the same route as they are heading have seen many bikes on roads with cycle paths next to main roads
That's because there inconsiderate fuckwits, bleet about drivers whilst ignoring the rules of the road themselves.
One of the biggest issues I've found with the cycle lanes is that they aren't maintained that well.
Yes, they are there but they are quite often full of risks (glass etc).
I've been OK so far thankfully due to pretty heavy duty downhill rated tyres on an MTB but I know a lot of road bike users who have had puncture after puncture from riding in the specified lanes. As you can imagine, not the most handy thing when you're trying to commute to work.
If the council were able to commit to regularly firing a street sweeper down the lanes, I'd hope for more regular usage of them.
Granted, there are always clowns who won't use them and cause agro much like there are clowns in cars who endanger cyclists with their driving.
C x "
All well & good saying these things but if you’ve ever tried to cycle on one of these designated cycle paths it’s not designed for Road bikes due to being overrun by joggers, walkers and dogs.
Road bikes can be doing 15-20 mph or more making the cycle paths unsafe for use due to obstacles and general poor surface conditions. That’s why most Road cyclists use the road and hence the new changes to stop cars cutting them off at junctions or forcing them off the road by passing at pinch points or demanding they ride in the gutter cos “its on the left hand side”. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Iam all for giving bikes room on the road but for safety reasons should bikes not also have a law to use cycle paths that is on the same route as they are heading have seen many bikes on roads with cycle paths next to main roads
That's because there inconsiderate fuckwits, bleet about drivers whilst ignoring the rules of the road themselves.
One of the biggest issues I've found with the cycle lanes is that they aren't maintained that well.
Yes, they are there but they are quite often full of risks (glass etc).
I've been OK so far thankfully due to pretty heavy duty downhill rated tyres on an MTB but I know a lot of road bike users who have had puncture after puncture from riding in the specified lanes. As you can imagine, not the most handy thing when you're trying to commute to work.
If the council were able to commit to regularly firing a street sweeper down the lanes, I'd hope for more regular usage of them.
Granted, there are always clowns who won't use them and cause agro much like there are clowns in cars who endanger cyclists with their driving.
C x
All well & good saying these things but if you’ve ever tried to cycle on one of these designated cycle paths it’s not designed for Road bikes due to being overrun by joggers, walkers and dogs.
Road bikes can be doing 15-20 mph or more making the cycle paths unsafe for use due to obstacles and general poor surface conditions. That’s why most Road cyclists use the road and hence the new changes to stop cars cutting them off at junctions or forcing them off the road by passing at pinch points or demanding they ride in the gutter cos “its on the left hand side”. "
Your making the very argument we motorists have as to why you should be using the cycle paths . The roads are already a very crowded environment, that's why you had cycle lanes constructed, the clue is in the word "cycle lanes" cars can travel upward of 30 mph to 70 mph bit like you on your push bike doing 15 -20 mph and coming across pedestrians. Yet here you are saying having designated areas ain't good enough for you poor souls. |
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The new rules themselves are not a problem, (no matter how ludicrous they may seem).
The problem is complacency from cyclists and pedestrians. Because the law is on your side does not excuse you from taking responsibility for personal safety.
Also, introducing rules without training is cheap and with no regard to peoples safety.
Rule changes must also come in to balance responsibilities.
If you wish to use the public highway with anything that has wheels or hooves, you need adequate insurance cover.
Any road traffic offences should be commuted to your driving licence if you hold one.
All road users are responsible for their own and other road users. At the moment the rules leaning towards the minority with no onus on them to meet a minimum standard of training or cover. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The new rules themselves are not a problem, (no matter how ludicrous they may seem).
The problem is complacency from cyclists and pedestrians. Because the law is on your side does not excuse you from taking responsibility for personal safety.
Also, introducing rules without training is cheap and with no regard to peoples safety.
Rule changes must also come in to balance responsibilities.
If you wish to use the public highway with anything that has wheels or hooves, you need adequate insurance cover.
Any road traffic offences should be commuted to your driving licence if you hold one.
All road users are responsible for their own and other road users. At the moment the rules leaning towards the minority with no onus on them to meet a minimum standard of training or cover."
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If you wish to use the public highway with anything that has wheels or hooves, you need adequate insurance cover.
Any road traffic offences should be commuted to your driving licence if you hold one.
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It's all in balance though, eh.
You want to cross the street? You need insurance and a licence please....?
Your 8 year old wants to go on a bike ride, sorry love you need insurance and training...?
You want to ride a bike, you need to show your insurance and license, but rated to where you ride and at what speed....?
The reasons car, van, truck and buse drivers are licensed and insured is that they kill 2 and seriously injure nearly 30 people a day.
Pedestrians I don't think I've ever heard of them killing or seriously injuring. Bike riders kill 1 and injure 12 a year. (And most have insurance through home insurance and most adult also hold driving license as a rider).
So the cost and burden rests with the most damaging mode of transport. And the excessive requirements of drivers of motorbike/cars/vans/buses being applied to pedestrians and cyclists is just jealous overreaction.
Finally, the 'cost' of driving a car to environment, our communities, our health and our tax bill is huge. The benefits of walking and cycling is either tiny, or on fact a benefit. Why therefore put up barriers to healthier, happier, greener places to live?
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If you wish to use the public highway with anything that has wheels or hooves, you need adequate insurance cover.
Any road traffic offences should be commuted to your driving licence if you hold one.
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It's all in balance though, eh.
You want to cross the street? You need insurance and a licence please....?
Your 8 year old wants to go on a bike ride, sorry love you need insurance and training...?
You want to ride a bike, you need to show your insurance and license, but rated to where you ride and at what speed....?
The reasons car, van, truck and buse drivers are licensed and insured is that they kill 2 and seriously injure nearly 30 people a day.
Pedestrians I don't think I've ever heard of them killing or seriously injuring. Bike riders kill 1 and injure 12 a year. (And most have insurance through home insurance and most adult also hold driving license as a rider).
So the cost and burden rests with the most damaging mode of transport. And the excessive requirements of drivers of motorbike/cars/vans/buses being applied to pedestrians and cyclists is just jealous overreaction.
Finally, the 'cost' of driving a car to environment, our communities, our health and our tax bill is huge. The benefits of walking and cycling is either tiny, or on fact a benefit. Why therefore put up barriers to healthier, happier, greener places to live?
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You missed my point slightly.
Wheels or hooves, is not people crossing the street.
8 year olds on the public highway then yes, training. Thats common sense. As in the USA, you can have, road traffic laws that are age related so. Youths may be exempt from insurance cover.
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By *eaSlutsCouple
over a year ago
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"If cyclists want to ignore the cycle lanes and use the roads then let them pay tax to use the roads like every other road user. "
The problem is that cyclists dont cause significant CO2 emissions, which is what VED is based on. Usage of roads doesn't automatically incur taxation. |
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"If cyclists want to ignore the cycle lanes and use the roads then let them pay tax to use the roads like every other road user. "
A) no one has paid road tax since 1960s, you pay VED based on how polluting the vehicle is.
B) local roads are mainly paid from council tax
C) VED is only a small proportion of what we pay to have roads/pavements/cycle lanes.
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You missed my point slightly.
Wheels or hooves, is not people crossing the street.
8 year olds on the public highway then yes, training. Thats common sense. As in the USA, you can have, road traffic laws that are age related so. Youths may be exempt from insurance cover.
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But you're point didn't stand. Most adult cyclists have insurance AND are trained and tested.
And if they cause very minimal harm, and bring great benefit, then they shouldn't be penalised as a driver of a polluting, dangerous and ill-health causing car should. |
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You missed my point slightly.
Wheels or hooves, is not people crossing the street.
8 year olds on the public highway then yes, training. Thats common sense. As in the USA, you can have, road traffic laws that are age related so. Youths may be exempt from insurance cover.
But you're point didn't stand. Most adult cyclists have insurance AND are trained and tested.
And if they cause very minimal harm, and bring great benefit, then they shouldn't be penalised as a driver of a polluting, dangerous and ill-health causing car should."
For me I don't see it has anything to do with VED , I'm a car owner and pay zero anyway for my diesel guzzler but I agree cyclists on the roads should have proper insurance and be identified by some kind of registration system to prove insurance, ie some sort of licence. I need a licence for my hobby , flying drones, zero impact on the environment, its nothing to do with stats on what's more harmful. Also cyclists should be punished like car drivers for breaking the rules of the road ie ignoring red lights, wrong way up one way streets ect, as it stands I've never seen a cyclist fined for their bad cycling habits. I'm not anti cycling but if your gonna demand your rights to use the roads safely I feel I'm entitled to demand you are also held accountable on the same level as other road users. |
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"It's not a law, it's just been added to the Highway Code and if you can manage it it's a good idea to stop folks opening the door in front of cyclists.
Most of the rules are backed up by traffic laws so while your correct your also minimising the power it actually has .
Will be honest I couldn't give a fuck about cyclists, when they start respecting traffic lights I will start respecting them, until then they should stay out my way. "
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Personally I feel they should be paying some form of road tax"
They do, as most road funding comes from general taxation such as income tax, corporation tax and vat. Local roads also paid for by council tax.
Many of us also pay road tax but chose to cycle.
Arguably most cyclists pay the same while causing less damage to the roads, less pollution and less congestion.
So by all means persuade people back into cars - but congestion increases and the cost of roads increases.
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Personally I feel they should be paying some form of road tax
They do, as most road funding comes from general taxation such as income tax, corporation tax and vat. Local roads also paid for by council tax.
Many of us also pay road tax but chose to cycle.
Arguably most cyclists pay the same while causing less damage to the roads, less pollution and less congestion.
So by all means persuade people back into cars - but congestion increases and the cost of roads increases.
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I pay more road tax on my motorcycles than most car owners pay?!
When i wrote the dvla and questioned them on this, i was told it was taxed as a leisure vehicle. I commute with them? |
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So I've seen reports of pedestrians not knowing the new rules and waiting to cross whilst cars are stopping and waiting for them to cross , also other way round too, pedestrians walking out as is now their entitlement and car drivers whilst don't know the rules almost running them over
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It's a fuckin shambles and the quicker they change this stupid rule the better. I see it only a matter of time before someone is killed by these new rules. |
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"So I've seen reports of pedestrians not knowing the new rules and waiting to cross whilst cars are stopping and waiting for them to cross , also other way round too, pedestrians walking out as is now their entitlement and car drivers whilst don't know the rules almost running them over
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It's a fuckin shambles and the quicker they change this stupid rule the better. I see it only a matter of time before someone is killed by these new rules."
Iv seen this aswell, sometimes people just stand at the side of the road having a chat and aren't even thinking about crossing.
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"So I've seen reports of pedestrians not knowing the new rules and waiting to cross whilst cars are stopping and waiting for them to cross , also other way round too, pedestrians walking out as is now their entitlement and car drivers whilst don't know the rules almost running them over
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It's a fuckin shambles and the quicker they change this stupid rule the better. I see it only a matter of time before someone is killed by these new rules."
When you say reports, do you mean 2? |
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"I know in Kirkintilloch Main Street, they have a different style of road compared to the rest of the street, on the bits for people to cross at junctions which is fair enough if you live there but I don’t and didn’t know why all these people were walking out in front of me until I was told why it was happening.
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Kirky main street is an absolute joke it makes no sense for cars or pedestrians everybody just stops because they are too scared |
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Personally I feel they should be paying some form of road tax
They do, as most road funding comes from general taxation such as income tax, corporation tax and vat. Local roads also paid for by council tax.
Many of us also pay road tax but chose to cycle.
Arguably most cyclists pay the same while causing less damage to the roads, less pollution and less congestion.
So by all means persuade people back into cars - but congestion increases and the cost of roads increases.
I pay more road tax on my motorcycles than most car owners pay?!
When i wrote the dvla and questioned them on this, i was told it was taxed as a leisure vehicle. I commute with them?"
Nobody actually pays road tax it's a tax on owning a vehicle not a tax to use the roads |
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"So I've seen reports of pedestrians not knowing the new rules and waiting to cross whilst cars are stopping and waiting for them to cross , also other way round too, pedestrians walking out as is now their entitlement and car drivers whilst don't know the rules almost running them over
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It's a fuckin shambles and the quicker they change this stupid rule the better. I see it only a matter of time before someone is killed by these new rules."
I know - I've walked, cycled and driven this week, complete mayhem... |
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I know - I've walked, cycled and driven this week, complete mayhem... "
Hopefully not at the same time.
You could go for the grand slam and say you done all 3 plus using your mobile phone and drinking alcohol all at the same time. |
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