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It's up to all those living in Scotland to decide the future, not just Scottish people.
One thing is for sure, the way DRoss and Johnson carry on it does not go down well. What is it with DRoss having to be backed up by a non-MSP that sold out to Johnson |
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By *un44Man
over a year ago
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Every country should have the right to govern their own destiny and make their own decisions. Unfortunately we have political parties that are only interested in themselves and their own agendas rather than what the public need. As for how he would get on, as a nation of people we could make it work but being guided by politicians from any of the current parties it would be a disaster. |
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All you need to do is read the political news & look at polling.
You will find some do and some dont.
Pretty much like every political issue.
Ps, there is a politics forum for this sort of question as well, you will find plenty of view points in there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"All you need to do is read the political news & look at polling.
You will find some do and some dont.
Pretty much like every political issue.
Ps, there is a politics forum for this sort of question as well, you will find plenty of view points in there."
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"What do you Scottish people really think
As an Englishman I wonder do people really want to leave the UK I now do you think you’ll get on"
There's a variety a views. We've all got our own mind and don't agree on everything just because we live in Scotland.
That's before you even include the diaspora.
Hope that helps. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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some people have an appetite for destruction but most do not. The SNP independence is a scam houdoni trick to hide all their mistakes, sleaze, white elephant porjects and cover-ups. Grievance politics at it's finest.... |
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over a year ago
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I just want a political party that is interested in getting things working well. Don’t really care where the office is. Just that my kids have good schools and the roads don’t have to meany potholes etc. Very unimpressed by the SNP’s track record. I would vote against further bickering and just want a quite comfortable life. |
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Unfortunetly the way the current UK government has conducted itself of late has really thrown the cat amongst the pigeons.
Brexit meant pressure in Northern Ireland, pressure that this government denied even existed has broken the union.
By placing a sea border between northern Ireland and the rest of the UK has opened the gates. They cannot be seen as the Conservative and unionist party. Everything argument that have to counter Scottish independence is at complete odds with their brexit stance and Northern Ireland approach.
Devolution is a small step to the natural existence of independence for Scotland. My English partner agrees also. |
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Yes
No country that's left the empire has ever asked to come back.
Scotland has never sent a majority of tory mps to Westminster in the last 70 years but we end up with them thanks to English voters.
Fuck the Tories |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It really makes no odds what people want I mean the question was answered but here we are still harping on pretending the question wasn't answered  "
This ×1000 |
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No country that's left the empire has ever asked to come back.
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This.
Whether you like the SNP or not. The only way I see Scotland escaping the constant pillage from Westminister is to back the SNP.
Once we are separated we can vote for people who will do justice to our country and maybe the SNP will still be there and maybe they won't.
But Scotland will be free and voting will be fairer to all Scottish people.
That's what scares Westminster!!!
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"All you need to do is read the political news & look at polling.
You will find some do and some dont.
Pretty much like every political issue.
Ps, there is a politics forum for this sort of question as well, you will find plenty of view points in there."
pps there are forums for many topics I'm afraid it goes to the usual warcry of the fab elite don't like don't look.
This like it or lump it is a topic the mostly involves scotland so it really is in the correct section.
Use it as a filter tool to highlight those who you feel are tapped in the head.
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"All you need to do is read the political news & look at polling.
You will find some do and some dont.
Pretty much like every political issue.
Ps, there is a politics forum for this sort of question as well, you will find plenty of view points in there.pps there are forums for many topics I'm afraid it goes to the usual warcry of the fab elite don't like don't look.
This like it or lump it is a topic the mostly involves scotland so it really is in the correct section.
Use it as a filter tool to highlight those who you feel are tapped in the head.
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Get if your high horse kola, that wasnt a "fuck off to politics forum" post, it was advice that the answers already exist elsewhere. |
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"All you need to do is read the political news & look at polling.
You will find some do and some dont.
Pretty much like every political issue.
Ps, there is a politics forum for this sort of question as well, you will find plenty of view points in there.pps there are forums for many topics I'm afraid it goes to the usual warcry of the fab elite don't like don't look.
This like it or lump it is a topic the mostly involves scotland so it really is in the correct section.
Use it as a filter tool to highlight those who you feel are tapped in the head.
Get if your high horse kola, that wasnt a "fuck off to politics forum" post, it was advice that the answers already exist elsewhere."
they don't though... they exist in the scotland forum where matters pertaining to Scotland should be and it's yourself "getting on a high horse" when you write there's a politics forum for this type of question. I don't see you telling folk making hi just joined the forum thread there's an intro section I don't see you telling How's CJs there's a club section bike rides there's a bike ride section.
Said in many posts you don't get to pick and chose so remove thine ass from the lofty saddle and accept that's how it is |
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"All you need to do is read the political news & look at polling.
You will find some do and some dont.
Pretty much like every political issue.
Ps, there is a politics forum for this sort of question as well, you will find plenty of view points in there.pps there are forums for many topics I'm afraid it goes to the usual warcry of the fab elite don't like don't look.
This like it or lump it is a topic the mostly involves scotland so it really is in the correct section.
Use it as a filter tool to highlight those who you feel are tapped in the head.
Get if your high horse kola, that wasnt a "fuck off to politics forum" post, it was advice that the answers already exist elsewhere.they don't though... they exist in the scotland forum where matters pertaining to Scotland should be and it's yourself "getting on a high horse" when you write there's a politics forum for this type of question. I don't see you telling folk making hi just joined the forum thread there's an intro section I don't see you telling How's CJs there's a club section bike rides there's a bike ride section.
Said in many posts you don't get to pick and chose so remove thine ass from the lofty saddle and accept that's how it is "
You really need to look in a mirror, you have a massive history of being that guy, maybe take your own advice and pass by any posts you dont like |
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"All you need to do is read the political news & look at polling.
You will find some do and some dont.
Pretty much like every political issue.
Ps, there is a politics forum for this sort of question as well, you will find plenty of view points in there.pps there are forums for many topics I'm afraid it goes to the usual warcry of the fab elite don't like don't look.
This like it or lump it is a topic the mostly involves scotland so it really is in the correct section.
Use it as a filter tool to highlight those who you feel are tapped in the head.
Get if your high horse kola, that wasnt a "fuck off to politics forum" post, it was advice that the answers already exist elsewhere.they don't though... they exist in the scotland forum where matters pertaining to Scotland should be and it's yourself "getting on a high horse" when you write there's a politics forum for this type of question. I don't see you telling folk making hi just joined the forum thread there's an intro section I don't see you telling How's CJs there's a club section bike rides there's a bike ride section.
Said in many posts you don't get to pick and chose so remove thine ass from the lofty saddle and accept that's how it is
You really need to look in a mirror, you have a massive history of being that guy, maybe take your own advice and pass by any posts you dont like"
lol a "massive history" of not agreeing with the glitterati of forums yup guilty as charged and don't expect it to change anytime soon signed "that guy" |
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"All you need to do is read the political news & look at polling.
You will find some do and some dont.
Pretty much like every political issue.
Ps, there is a politics forum for this sort of question as well, you will find plenty of view points in there.pps there are forums for many topics I'm afraid it goes to the usual warcry of the fab elite don't like don't look.
This like it or lump it is a topic the mostly involves scotland so it really is in the correct section.
Use it as a filter tool to highlight those who you feel are tapped in the head.
Get if your high horse kola, that wasnt a "fuck off to politics forum" post, it was advice that the answers already exist elsewhere.they don't though... they exist in the scotland forum where matters pertaining to Scotland should be and it's yourself "getting on a high horse" when you write there's a politics forum for this type of question. I don't see you telling folk making hi just joined the forum thread there's an intro section I don't see you telling How's CJs there's a club section bike rides there's a bike ride section.
Said in many posts you don't get to pick and chose so remove thine ass from the lofty saddle and accept that's how it is
You really need to look in a mirror, you have a massive history of being that guy, maybe take your own advice and pass by any posts you dont likelol a "massive history" of not agreeing with the glitterati of forums yup guilty as charged and don't expect it to change anytime soon signed "that guy" "
Forum glitterati 
I see you still have your tinfoil hat as well
Have a nice day |
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By *lixerMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"some people have an appetite for destruction but most do not. The SNP independence is a scam houdoni trick to hide all their mistakes, sleaze, white elephant porjects and cover-ups. Grievance politics at it's finest.... "
Some people have a desire to live in a normal nation/state. Some though choose an abnormal setup that has been copied by no other nations in the world.
The Scottish Government have done a better job for Scotland than any Unionist party ever could.
Normality simply will prevail. The monstrosity that is WM is as good as dead. It serves no purpose. It will end. |
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Over the last decade Scottish politics has shifted axis.
It is no longer left v right wing but is now very much Indy v Union.
And this division has polarised folk far more as its a binary choice with no middle ground. |
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"Over the last decade Scottish politics has shifted axis.
It is no longer left v right wing but is now very much Indy v Union.
And this division has polarised folk far more as its a binary choice with no middle ground."
. . correct. It shocks me how ignorant people are to not realising the damage it is doing and racism it enables... and yet some people think the SNP are doing a grand job, are not sleazy at all and corrupt at all despite all the evidence. All because they believe in a 'confident' voice of leadership that consistently lies, blames and misdirects.
55% of Scots are dependent on State aid that is propped up by the UK. we have the worst health and addiction issues in all of Europe. Education standards are fallen.
It will not be long before People in the South actually push themselves to separate to free up the net gain cash that comes to Scotland... and then the brain drain of people and businesses that will occur.
becareful what you
wish for... Peace is built from unity. |
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"Over the last decade Scottish politics has shifted axis.
It is no longer left v right wing but is now very much Indy v Union.
And this division has polarised folk far more as its a binary choice with no middle ground.. . correct. It shocks me how ignorant people are to not realising the damage it is doing and racism it enables... and yet some people think the SNP are doing a grand job, are not sleazy at all and corrupt at all despite all the evidence. All because they believe in a 'confident' voice of leadership that consistently lies, blames and misdirects.
55% of Scots are dependent on State aid that is propped up by the UK. we have the worst health and addiction issues in all of Europe. Education standards are fallen.
It will not be long before People in the South actually push themselves to separate to free up the net gain cash that comes to Scotland... and then the brain drain of people and businesses that will occur.
becareful what you
wish for... Peace is built from unity. "
Can you provide a link to your assertion that 55% of Scotland relies on state aid provided by the UK ?
Be mindful the UK is not a country. |
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"Over the last decade Scottish politics has shifted axis.
It is no longer left v right wing but is now very much Indy v Union.
And this division has polarised folk far more as its a binary choice with no middle ground.. . correct. It shocks me how ignorant people are to not realising the damage it is doing and racism it enables... and yet some people think the SNP are doing a grand job, are not sleazy at all and corrupt at all despite all the evidence. All because they believe in a 'confident' voice of leadership that consistently lies, blames and misdirects.
55% of Scots are dependent on State aid that is propped up by the UK. we have the worst health and addiction issues in all of Europe. Education standards are fallen.
It will not be long before People in the South actually push themselves to separate to free up the net gain cash that comes to Scotland... and then the brain drain of people and businesses that will occur.
becareful what you
wish for... Peace is built from unity. "
If Scotland is so bad, such a drain to England is it not strange that a party that won't even subsidise a bedroom want so desperately to keep us? Just makes no sense. Also I find it hard to swallow that Scotland has all these problems and it's the snp fault after 14 years and not the unions fault considering we have been in it for 300 more years. If the union is so great why is large parts of north England wanting change? Why is there a rise in desire for independence in wales? And why is there a rise in calls for unity in NI? it's simply because the union isn't working anymore. Democracy can't be decided just because one part of the union out votes the others. And If anyone doesn't get riled by Douglas Ross' inability to answer a question is be surprised. Says he doesn't want indyref2 so that's it we're not allowed it.....Aye right. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Independence was always something I fully supported and also leaving the eu
Now however that much of the I dependence push is being focused a lot of returning to the eu I’m no having doubts
I want independence not jumping back into bed with the eu it’s time to go alone and wear the big kids pants and grow up on our out cut the apron strings |
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"Independence was always something I fully supported and also leaving the eu
Now however that much of the I dependence push is being focused a lot of returning to the eu I’m no having doubts
I want independence not jumping back into bed with the eu it’s time to go alone and wear the big kids pants and grow up on our out cut the apron strings "
I don't think you are alone in that view. I'd imagine an independent Scotland would need to re-vote on membership of the EU. |
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To all the SNP and Independence supporters in Scotland please answer this. Scotland currently spends £15 billion pounds a year more than it receives in taxes from the Scottish people. Thats 15 BILLION POUNDS a year. How on earth are you going to make up that money every year?
I'll tell you how. Get independence and everyone in Scotland's taxes will rise (we are already the highest taxed in the U.K.). Get independence and:-
Say goodbye to free prescriptions.
Say goodbye to free higher education.
Say goodbye to the millions received from the Barnett formula.
Say goodbye to the tourist industry. Over 75% of our tourism comes from the rest of the UK and many of them are fed up at being harassed and called names by nationalists.
Our biggest trading partner is the rest of the UK. Say goodbye to that.
Say goodbye to our state pensions. Westminster has already stated that state pensions will be the sole responsibility of the Scottish Government the day after Independence.
Don't say oil is our big money saviour. People working in the oil industry in Aberdeen say it’s worth "shit". Plus, the oil fields are mainly in Scottish waters, but the gas is more or less all in English waters. So, what we make from oil, we lose from gas. Don’t mention wind power as the SNP have already destroyed that industry with the disgusting BiFab fiasco!
What about the 16,000 Defence Jobs that will be lost when Holy Loch is shut down?
What about the loss of highly skilled jobs at BAE on the Clyde and Rosyth?
What about the private companies that would register in England to avoid the damaging taxes and levies that would be imposed on private business?
What about the Banking and Corporate Jobs that would be lost as jobs are relocated South during the transition phase, never to return?
We wouldn't even have our own currency. Don’t listen to MSP Emma Harper who says that credit and debit cards can be used all over the world! But in what currency??!! We can’t use the £ as this is governed by the Bank of England, yes, the England you all hate. They would not allow Sterling to be used by a country OUTSIDE of the United Kingdom, which an independent Scotland would be!
We will have 8% of the UK dept to pay which, due to the last year, is in the trillions. Don’t believe the SNP who say that Scotland won’t have to repay that debt. Try saying that to your credit card company and see what happens!
Go independent and become an instant 3rd world country, run by a corrupt tin pot dictator. A 3rd world country would be the last thing the EU would allow back in. If you don’t have the entry fee, you can’t join the party!
You would literally be like another load of turkeys voting for Christmas.
When all your chips have fallen off your shoulders and you have washed the blue paint off your faces, you would soon realise that all you have done is cut off your noses to spite your faces.
Remember, it was a Scottish King that united the Kingdoms in the first place over 300 years ago. |
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Even if the SNP get an overall majority today and even if Bojo allows Indyref2 and even if Indyref2 votes in favour of independence, does anyone genuinely think that Spain will allow an independent Scotland to join the EU? To allow that would be to cut their own throats, with a number of regions there wanting their own independence from Madrid.
Scotland would be less independent in the EU than it is in the UK and don't even get me started on the currency! For many years Scots have gone to Scottish Banks and asked for English notes to take abroad. Some places we've visited won't even look at Scottish sterling and others that do offer an inferior exchange rate. |
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"To all the SNP and Independence supporters in Scotland please answer this. Scotland currently spends £15 billion pounds a year more than it receives in taxes from the Scottish people. Thats 15 BILLION POUNDS a year. How on earth are you going to make up that money every year?
I'll tell you how. Get independence and everyone in Scotland's taxes will rise (we are already the highest taxed in the U.K.). Get independence and:-
Say goodbye to free prescriptions.
Say goodbye to free higher education.
Say goodbye to the millions received from the Barnett formula.
Say goodbye to the tourist industry. Over 75% of our tourism comes from the rest of the UK and many of them are fed up at being harassed and called names by nationalists.
Our biggest trading partner is the rest of the UK. Say goodbye to that.
Say goodbye to our state pensions. Westminster has already stated that state pensions will be the sole responsibility of the Scottish Government the day after Independence.
Don't say oil is our big money saviour. People working in the oil industry in Aberdeen say it’s worth "shit". Plus, the oil fields are mainly in Scottish waters, but the gas is more or less all in English waters. So, what we make from oil, we lose from gas. Don’t mention wind power as the SNP have already destroyed that industry with the disgusting BiFab fiasco!
What about the 16,000 Defence Jobs that will be lost when Holy Loch is shut down?
What about the loss of highly skilled jobs at BAE on the Clyde and Rosyth?
What about the private companies that would register in England to avoid the damaging taxes and levies that would be imposed on private business?
What about the Banking and Corporate Jobs that would be lost as jobs are relocated South during the transition phase, never to return?
We wouldn't even have our own currency. Don’t listen to MSP Emma Harper who says that credit and debit cards can be used all over the world! But in what currency??!! We can’t use the £ as this is governed by the Bank of England, yes, the England you all hate. They would not allow Sterling to be used by a country OUTSIDE of the United Kingdom, which an independent Scotland would be!
We will have 8% of the UK dept to pay which, due to the last year, is in the trillions. Don’t believe the SNP who say that Scotland won’t have to repay that debt. Try saying that to your credit card company and see what happens!
Go independent and become an instant 3rd world country, run by a corrupt tin pot dictator. A 3rd world country would be the last thing the EU would allow back in. If you don’t have the entry fee, you can’t join the party!
You would literally be like another load of turkeys voting for Christmas.
When all your chips have fallen off your shoulders and you have washed the blue paint off your faces, you would soon realise that all you have done is cut off your noses to spite your faces.
Remember, it was a Scottish King that united the Kingdoms in the first place over 300 years ago."
Project fear. 
Every single point is factually incorrect.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Something I've learned by living in Scotland gor 20 years is that scots have very different social priorities to Westminster and SE England.
Successive Westminster governments have ignored this and treated Scotland as if it were just another region of England.
There's no reason why Scotland and the rUK can't be good neighbours after independence. No need for a hard border. Co-operation on currency during transition. Good trade relations. It would only be Westminster (Tory) spite and sour grapes that would try to make it otherwise, to the detriment of the rUK.
I'm Pro-Indy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"some people have an appetite for destruction but most do not. The SNP independence is a scam houdoni trick to hide all their mistakes, sleaze, white elephant porjects and cover-ups. Grievance politics at it's finest.... "
And I suppose the Tories are all angles what a loada pish |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes
No country that's left the empire has ever asked to come back.
Scotland has never sent a majority of tory mps to Westminster in the last 70 years but we end up with them thanks to English voters.
Fuck the Tories "
This |
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By *immm4uMan
over a year ago
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Why did Uk want to leave The EU
Because it wasn’t working for some in the Uk
Mostly England as they had the most population
So it’s the same in Scotland
The UK is not working for people here and as in the EU referendum it should be the people who decide .
It’s Not Boris or the linesman who decides if we get another referendum |
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As someone who left Northern Ireland to escape the vitriolic hatred and constant bickering that comes with the union/indy debate. I find it quite sad that Scotland is heading down the same road.. nothing comes from this but pain and suffering, and those who would try to convince you that they have your best interests at heart, line their pockets whilst the debate continues. Do people really think the pro union supporters will just give up if Scotland becomes and independent country? Come on...get real, there's too much money in it give up the fight.. meanwhile the average person ends up losing out. |
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By *orteMan
over a year ago
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"As someone who left Northern Ireland to escape the vitriolic hatred and constant bickering that comes with the union/indy debate. I find it quite sad that Scotland is heading down the same road.. nothing comes from this but pain and suffering, and those who would try to convince you that they have your best interests at heart, line their pockets whilst the debate continues. Do people really think the pro union supporters will just give up if Scotland becomes and independent country? Come on...get real, there's too much money in it give up the fight.. meanwhile the average person ends up losing out."
Their solutions are our problems
They put up the wall
On each side, time and prime us
Make sure we get fuck all |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As someone who left Northern Ireland to escape the vitriolic hatred and constant bickering that comes with the union/indy debate. I find it quite sad that Scotland is heading down the same road.. nothing comes from this but pain and suffering, and those who would try to convince you that they have your best interests at heart, line their pockets whilst the debate continues. Do people really think the pro union supporters will just give up if Scotland becomes and independent country? Come on...get real, there's too much money in it give up the fight.. meanwhile the average person ends up losing out."
Wise words. I think we should all take heed. I've feared where we may eventually end up for a long time now.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As someone who left Northern Ireland to escape the vitriolic hatred and constant bickering that comes with the union/indy debate. I find it quite sad that Scotland is heading down the same road.. nothing comes from this but pain and suffering, and those who would try to convince you that they have your best interests at heart, line their pockets whilst the debate continues. Do people really think the pro union supporters will just give up if Scotland becomes and independent country? Come on...get real, there's too much money in it give up the fight.. meanwhile the average person ends up losing out.
Wise words. I think we should all take heed. I've feared where we may eventually end up for a long time now. "
Fear not, the people of Scotland will have their say again and the SNP will continue for another generation to pass ( 6 months ) lol, crying foul and looking for Indy 3. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What do you Scottish people really think
As an Englishman I wonder do people really want to leave the UK I now do you think you’ll get on"
Its a seriously genuinely deluded ideology owned, pedalled and fed by left wing parties, people and media. Not a single plan for how any of Scotlands extremely costly societal expenses are to be paid for... Its obvious tp anybody with half a brain, and a good lot of their own, that theres a huge hole in the finances and whats worrying is the snp and many of their nutter supporters know full well Scotland wouldnt manage, especially eventually. What drives them is a disgusting bigoted hatred of people who vote conservative, have businesses, assets, savings, or good earnings and they simply wish those people to be taxed and robbed of their money so that it can be given in handouts to those of a lesser work ethic. It really is as simple as that. Its socialism, being ramped up by nationalism.. a destructive combination everywhere in the world where its reared its ugly head. It needs educated out of people. Could go on and on and on but thats the basics. Too high a percentage of stupid people who vote for the snp. |
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I am not a unionist never but great piece above telling the truth what would happen if Scotland went indi at present the SNP just preaches hate brainwashed half the country with lies so worried about boris ,the SNP do Scotland a great disservice how they run the country it is a shambles,how does indi work joining euro,would still be waiting on vaccines yet why do they want to be run by idiots from brussels ,Snp can never answer question what currency we would use how our taxes would go up despite having about 40 years to come up with something sensisble tangible if SNP so confident about indi ive got an idea have one big vote agreed by everyone all parties courts but proper vote 16 s 17s but should be 70% OF COUNTRY HAVE TO VOTE IN FAVOUR then if its leave go indi but not in europe sort our own currency out set up our own central bank |
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By (user no longer on site)
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a full negotiation and agreement should be done before a second independence referendum is approved by Boris. If the Scottish people vote to remain - a further referendum should never be allowed for at least a 100 years. Let the Scottish people decide on the exit agreement ahead of any vote and inform them fully on the likely grim facts versus the pipe dreams and delusions of SNPnatz.
The impacts and risks are clear - Scotland does not generate enough tax to sustain itself. Those with wealth would protect it and also likely move elsewhere and intelligent people would go where the money is. Pensions and property would take enormous losses. Taxes would rise and a social marxist republic if oppression would rise that the EU will never accept (Spain will never let Scotland in straight off the bat).
just think about the it.... |
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"I am not a unionist never but great piece above telling the truth what would happen if Scotland went indi at present the SNP just preaches hate brainwashed half the country with lies so worried about boris ,the SNP do Scotland a great disservice how they run the country it is a shambles,how does indi work joining euro,would still be waiting on vaccines yet why do they want to be run by idiots from brussels ,Snp can never answer question what currency we would use how our taxes would go up despite having about 40 years to come up with something sensisble tangible if SNP so confident about indi ive got an idea have one big vote agreed by everyone all parties courts but proper vote 16 s 17s but should be 70% OF COUNTRY HAVE TO VOTE IN FAVOUR then if its leave go indi but not in europe sort our own currency out set up our own central bank"
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"As someone who left Northern Ireland to escape the vitriolic hatred and constant bickering that comes with the union/indy debate. I find it quite sad that Scotland is heading down the same road.. nothing comes from this but pain and suffering, and those who would try to convince you that they have your best interests at heart, line their pockets whilst the debate continues. Do people really think the pro union supporters will just give up if Scotland becomes and independent country? Come on...get real, there's too much money in it give up the fight.. meanwhile the average person ends up losing out.
Wise words. I think we should all take heed. I've feared where we may eventually end up for a long time now.
Fear not, the people of Scotland will have their say again and the SNP will continue for another generation to pass ( 6 months ) lol, crying foul and looking for Indy 3. "
Maybe if you voted you’d have your say but you didn’t by your own admission so really no point moaning |
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By *edeWoman
over a year ago
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Question - how many times will there be referendums on this vote? And if they get a 'yes' with 51% like the 'no' vote did last time....will they then hold another one in 7 years incase that two percent want to jump back to 'no' again??
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"What do you Scottish people really think
As an Englishman I wonder do people really want to leave the UK I now do you think you’ll get on"
I 100% want to leave the UK, it has nothing to do with nationality at all and everything to do with the the polotics of Westminster. Inthink most people want a change there from every part of the Uk, but we have terrible options.
Yes I think we will get on fine, things will change over time, and that isnthe point,I am certain they will change for the better and with the will of Scottish people finally being taken imto consideration. |
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"Doesn't really matter all politicians lie and promise things they never deliver"
If we every become Indy we will have more power to remove any corrupt, incapable politicians, right.mownScottish people have little ability to do this as more politicians exist outwith Scotland, in the Uk, than in Scotland |
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"To all the SNP and Independence supporters in Scotland please answer this. Scotland currently spends £15 billion pounds a year more than it receives in taxes from the Scottish people. Thats 15 BILLION POUNDS a year. How on earth are you going to make up that money every year?
I'll tell you how. Get independence and everyone in Scotland's taxes will rise (we are already the highest taxed in the U.K.). Get independence and:-
Say goodbye to free prescriptions.
Say goodbye to free higher education.
Say goodbye to the millions received from the Barnett formula.
Say goodbye to the tourist industry. Over 75% of our tourism comes from the rest of the UK and many of them are fed up at being harassed and called names by nationalists.
Our biggest trading partner is the rest of the UK. Say goodbye to that.
Say goodbye to our state pensions. Westminster has already stated that state pensions will be the sole responsibility of the Scottish Government the day after Independence.
Don't say oil is our big money saviour. People working in the oil industry in Aberdeen say it’s worth "shit". Plus, the oil fields are mainly in Scottish waters, but the gas is more or less all in English waters. So, what we make from oil, we lose from gas. Don’t mention wind power as the SNP have already destroyed that industry with the disgusting BiFab fiasco!
What about the 16,000 Defence Jobs that will be lost when Holy Loch is shut down?
What about the loss of highly skilled jobs at BAE on the Clyde and Rosyth?
What about the private companies that would register in England to avoid the damaging taxes and levies that would be imposed on private business?
What about the Banking and Corporate Jobs that would be lost as jobs are relocated South during the transition phase, never to return?
We wouldn't even have our own currency. Don’t listen to MSP Emma Harper who says that credit and debit cards can be used all over the world! But in what currency??!! We can’t use the £ as this is governed by the Bank of England, yes, the England you all hate. They would not allow Sterling to be used by a country OUTSIDE of the United Kingdom, which an independent Scotland would be!
We will have 8% of the UK dept to pay which, due to the last year, is in the trillions. Don’t believe the SNP who say that Scotland won’t have to repay that debt. Try saying that to your credit card company and see what happens!
Go independent and become an instant 3rd world country, run by a corrupt tin pot dictator. A 3rd world country would be the last thing the EU would allow back in. If you don’t have the entry fee, you can’t join the party!
You would literally be like another load of turkeys voting for Christmas.
When all your chips have fallen off your shoulders and you have washed the blue paint off your faces, you would soon realise that all you have done is cut off your noses to spite your faces.
Remember, it was a Scottish King that united the Kingdoms in the first place over 300 years ago.
Project fear.
Every single point is factually incorrect.
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Yup and also a cut and paste message thats been doing the rounds, also utter claptrap tory pish. |
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Scotland hasn't voted tory for over 70 years but keep getting tory governments voted in by England.
I for one want a government voted by the Scottish people to govern us, not some blubbering idiot like Johnson voted in by English voters. |
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"What do you Scottish people really think
As an Englishman I wonder do people really want to leave the UK I now do you think you’ll get on
I 100% want to leave the UK, it has nothing to do with nationality at all and everything to do with the the polotics of Westminster. Inthink most people want a change there from every part of the Uk, but we have terrible options.
Yes I think we will get on fine, things will change over time, and that isnthe point,I am certain they will change for the better and with the will of Scottish people finally being taken imto consideration."
You are deluded. Simple maths will tell you. People are already refraining from investing in Scotland and others are already planning to leave as we speak. I am taking advice on it and i cant even get an appointment with any financial advisors for 2 weeks they are that busy they say with folk wanting advice about their money in the event on an independent Scotland. |
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"Scotland hasn't voted tory for over 70 years but keep getting tory governments voted in by England.
I for one want a government voted by the Scottish people to govern us, not some blubbering idiot like Johnson voted in by English voters."
Scotland will have had non tory rule for over 25 years come the next election. Snp voters have got snp governance justcwhat they wanted for years in Scotland ... Your tory arguement is bullshit .... |
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"What do you Scottish people really think
As an Englishman I wonder do people really want to leave the UK I now do you think you’ll get on
I 100% want to leave the UK, it has nothing to do with nationality at all and everything to do with the the polotics of Westminster. Inthink most people want a change there from every part of the Uk, but we have terrible options.
Yes I think we will get on fine, things will change over time, and that isnthe point,I am certain they will change for the better and with the will of Scottish people finally being taken imto consideration.
You are deluded. Simple maths will tell you. People are already refraining from investing in Scotland and others are already planning to leave as we speak. I am taking advice on it and i cant even get an appointment with any financial advisors for 2 weeks they are that busy they say with folk wanting advice about their money in the event on an independent Scotland. "
lol alot of the banking sector have publicly stated they will leave Scotland if indy happens as it won't be financially viable to stay |
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"Over the last decade Scottish politics has shifted axis.
It is no longer left v right wing but is now very much Indy v Union.
And this division has polarised folk far more as its a binary choice with no middle ground.. . correct. It shocks me how ignorant people are to not realising the damage it is doing and racism it enables... and yet some people think the SNP are doing a grand job, are not sleazy at all and corrupt at all despite all the evidence. All because they believe in a 'confident' voice of leadership that consistently lies, blames and misdirects.
55% of Scots are dependent on State aid that is propped up by the UK. we have the worst health and addiction issues in all of Europe. Education standards are fallen.
It will not be long before People in the South actually push themselves to separate to free up the net gain cash that comes to Scotland... and then the brain drain of people and businesses that will occur.
becareful what you
wish for... Peace is built from unity. "
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"Over the last decade Scottish politics has shifted axis.
It is no longer left v right wing but is now very much Indy v Union.
And this division has polarised folk far more as its a binary choice with no middle ground.. . correct. It shocks me how ignorant people are to not realising the damage it is doing and racism it enables... and yet some people think the SNP are doing a grand job, are not sleazy at all and corrupt at all despite all the evidence. All because they believe in a 'confident' voice of leadership that consistently lies, blames and misdirects.
55% of Scots are dependent on State aid that is propped up by the UK. we have the worst health and addiction issues in all of Europe. Education standards are fallen.
It will not be long before People in the South actually push themselves to separate to free up the net gain cash that comes to Scotland... and then the brain drain of people and businesses that will occur.
becareful what you
wish for... Peace is built from unity. "
What utter unionist pish!!
Either be truthful or at least honest about which side of the fence you sit? |
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"Scotland hasn't voted tory for over 70 years but keep getting tory governments voted in by England.
I for one want a government voted by the Scottish people to govern us, not some blubbering idiot like Johnson voted in by English voters.
Scotland will have had non tory rule for over 25 years come the next election. Snp voters have got snp governance justcwhat they wanted for years in Scotland ... Your tory arguement is bullshit .... "
1955 was the last time Scotland voted tory.
The Scottish unionist party then becoming the conservatives in 1965
Quite a bizarre statement 25 years. |
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Scottish currency is a joke around the world as we speak. What hope of being taken seriously when finally independent and trading with the Thistle or the Bagpipe or whatever SNP decide to call it?
Why will SNP never tell us what currency is being planned? It's a very basic question. |
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No country that's left the empire has ever asked to come back.
This.
Whether you like the SNP or not. The only way I see Scotland escaping the constant pillage from Westminister is to back the SNP.
Once we are separated we can vote for people who will do justice to our country and maybe the SNP will still be there and maybe they won't.
But Scotland will be free and voting will be fairer to all Scottish people.
That's what scares Westminster!!!
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Exactly, SNP are a conduit to Independence. Once achieved we will have a variety of parties whose only purpose will be to look after those who choose to live in Scotland, no longer pandering to the south of England. Time will tell whether the Tories actually do invest in the Northern towns of England. “The northern powerhouse”, haven’t heard much about that in a long time. |
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I am not or never will be unionist but too many people seem to think of the promised land of milk honey gold by the Snp its bad now but we would be far worse off with a crippling debt much higher taxes thats a fact not lies just voting for snp to get indi is a nonsense what if they get indi they have already proved they are not capable of running the country prime example today 1200 fans not allowed in a controlled stadium next week but today they are letting thousands run amok in Glasgow unchecked never proactive SNP but are great at hindsight and it will be somebody elses fault |
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"Scottish currency is a joke around the world as we speak. What hope of being taken seriously when finally independent and trading with the Thistle or the Bagpipe or whatever SNP decide to call it?
Why will SNP never tell us what currency is being planned? It's a very basic question."
The scot govt has already said it will use the pound and transition its own currency. |
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As the Scottish pound is already valued less than the English pound abroad ( different exchange rates offered around Europe), maybe we should be buying US Dollars or Euros in advance of possible independence, even though I can't see an independent Scotland being accepted into the EU? They are at least recognised world currencies.
Approaching pensionable age, we are both seriously concerned about reserves of cash held in Scottish banks and also what we will get for our retirement income.
Independence has to be sold as a practicality, not just a misty-eyed, romantic dream. |
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Can never take SNP seriously use the English pound when were in indi call me old fashioned but you plan head with pensions currency etc but they have not got a clue never have, we will never be allowed in eu what for so we can sponge off them Spain will always veto Scotland, indi country that has an English pound and run by Europe cant wait to vote for indi Scotland NOT |
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"Can never take SNP seriously use the English pound when were in indi call me old fashioned but you plan head with pensions currency etc but they have not got a clue never have, we will never be allowed in eu what for so we can sponge off them Spain will always veto Scotland, indi country that has an English pound and run by Europe cant wait to vote for indi Scotland NOT"
There are many small independent thriving nations not in the EU.
Iceland, Norway as an example.
The rejoining the EU post indy isn’t a given by any means.
Unlike Brexit where Scotland was dragged out against its wishes the people of Scotland will decide to apply or not. |
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"As the Scottish pound is already valued less than the English pound abroad ( different exchange rates offered around Europe), maybe we should be buying US Dollars or Euros in advance of possible independence, even though I can't see an independent Scotland being accepted into the EU? They are at least recognised world currencies.
Approaching pensionable age, we are both seriously concerned about reserves of cash held in Scottish banks and also what we will get for our retirement income.
Independence has to be sold as a practicality, not just a misty-eyed, romantic dream."
it's not a different exchange rate that's a myth it's pounds sterling regardless of which bank issues it.
It's not accepted as its not in the books that show examples of legal tender from each country.
Some exchanges will use this to their advantage and take the risk on Irish Welsh Scottish pound notes but give a lower exchange rate.
It's "value" is the same as any pound Stirling its simply not in the recognition books used by foreign exchange bureau's |
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"Can never take SNP seriously use the English pound when were in indi call me old fashioned but you plan head with pensions currency etc but they have not got a clue never have, we will never be allowed in eu what for so we can sponge off them Spain will always veto Scotland, indi country that has an English pound and run by Europe cant wait to vote for indi Scotland NOT
There are many small independent thriving nations not in the EU.
Iceland, Norway as an example.
The rejoining the EU post indy isn’t a given by any means.
Unlike Brexit where Scotland was dragged out against its wishes the people of Scotland will decide to apply or not. "
eh the people of Scotland were not dragged out we voted to remain give the oh woe is the down trodden jock nonsense a rest.
I know you won't you will answer back with the usual but but but cack |
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"Can never take SNP seriously use the English pound when were in indi call me old fashioned but you plan head with pensions currency etc but they have not got a clue never have, we will never be allowed in eu what for so we can sponge off them Spain will always veto Scotland, indi country that has an English pound and run by Europe cant wait to vote for indi Scotland NOT
There are many small independent thriving nations not in the EU.
Iceland, Norway as an example.
The rejoining the EU post indy isn’t a given by any means.
Unlike Brexit where Scotland was dragged out against its wishes the people of Scotland will decide to apply or not. eh the people of Scotland were not dragged out we voted to remain give the oh woe is the down trodden jock nonsense a rest.
I know you won't you will answer back with the usual but but but cack"
Scotland voted to remain in the EU. Fact
You’ve already been corrected many times on the issue. |
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"Can never take SNP seriously use the English pound when were in indi call me old fashioned but you plan head with pensions currency etc but they have not got a clue never have, we will never be allowed in eu what for so we can sponge off them Spain will always veto Scotland, indi country that has an English pound and run by Europe cant wait to vote for indi Scotland NOT
There are many small independent thriving nations not in the EU.
Iceland, Norway as an example.
The rejoining the EU post indy isn’t a given by any means.
Unlike Brexit where Scotland was dragged out against its wishes the people of Scotland will decide to apply or not. eh the people of Scotland were not dragged out we voted to remain give the oh woe is the down trodden jock nonsense a rest.
I know you won't you will answer back with the usual but but but cack
Scotland voted to remain in the EU. Fact
You’ve already been corrected many times on the issue. "
ehhhhhh scotlands part of the UK and as the UK voted to get the fuck out the disaster so did Scotland |
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"Can never take SNP seriously use the English pound when were in indi call me old fashioned but you plan head with pensions currency etc but they have not got a clue never have, we will never be allowed in eu what for so we can sponge off them Spain will always veto Scotland, indi country that has an English pound and run by Europe cant wait to vote for indi Scotland NOT
There are many small independent thriving nations not in the EU.
Iceland, Norway as an example.
The rejoining the EU post indy isn’t a given by any means.
Unlike Brexit where Scotland was dragged out against its wishes the people of Scotland will decide to apply or not. eh the people of Scotland were not dragged out we voted to remain give the oh woe is the down trodden jock nonsense a rest.
I know you won't you will answer back with the usual but but but cack
Scotland voted to remain in the EU. Fact
You’ve already been corrected many times on the issue. ehhhhhh scotlands part of the UK and as the UK voted to get the fuck out the disaster so did Scotland "
Ah Scotland gets what England votes for. Tooooo easyyyyy |
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"Scotland 62% remain
32% leave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
Suck it up "
lol polling figures you may find your 62% ain't all the population of Scotland. Many didn't vote on that issue go on another but but but before your blue paint drys up |
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"Scotland 62% remain
32% leave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
Suck it up lol polling figures you may find your 62% ain't all the population of Scotland. Many didn't vote on that issue go on another but but but before your blue paint drys up "
62% voted to remain, 32% to leave, 6% didn’t vote.
That’s 100% of the Scottish electorate.
The Many you talk off is 6% |
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"How many countries have decided to go independent then asked to come back, as like many claim, they were to small, to poor, to incapable.
go on, how many.
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0"
do your research quite a few ask to rejoin the nation they were part of.
the better question to ask is how many were allowed to rejoin. |
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"Scotland 62% remain
32% leave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
Suck it up lol polling figures you may find your 62% ain't all the population of Scotland. Many didn't vote on that issue go on another but but but before your blue paint drys up
62% voted to remain, 32% to leave, 6% didn’t vote.
That’s 100% of the Scottish electorate.
The Many you talk off is 6% "
recheck your stats here's a clue turnout figures |
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"How many countries have decided to go independent then asked to come back, as like many claim, they were to small, to poor, to incapable.
go on, how many.
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0do your research quite a few ask to rejoin the nation they were part of.
the better question to ask is how many were allowed to rejoin. "
Can you show us how many of the former commonwealth asked to rejoin ? |
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"Scotland 62% remain
32% leave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
Suck it up lol polling figures you may find your 62% ain't all the population of Scotland. Many didn't vote on that issue go on another but but but before your blue paint drys up
62% voted to remain, 32% to leave, 6% didn’t vote.
That’s 100% of the Scottish electorate.
The Many you talk off is 6% recheck your stats here's a clue turnout figures "
You don’t recognise Scotland as a sovereign nation. That’s entirely fine but the electorate voted democratically in Scotland to remain in the EU.
The turn out figures you talk off you’re saying actually wanted to remain part of the EU so never bothered voting. That’s China material right there. |
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"How many countries have decided to go independent then asked to come back, as like many claim, they were to small, to poor, to incapable.
go on, how many.
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0do your research quite a few ask to rejoin the nation they were part of.
the better question to ask is how many were allowed to rejoin.
Can you show us how many of the former commonwealth asked to rejoin ? "
do I appear to be your lackey?
The user posed a question I answered it.
I do as I please not what some "influencer" tells me to do I'm bored toying with you off to watch braveheart (factually correct according to many) |
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"Scotland 62% remain
32% leave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
Suck it up lol polling figures you may find your 62% ain't all the population of Scotland. Many didn't vote on that issue go on another but but but before your blue paint drys up
62% voted to remain, 32% to leave, 6% didn’t vote.
That’s 100% of the Scottish electorate.
The Many you talk off is 6% recheck your stats here's a clue turnout figures
You don’t recognise Scotland as a sovereign nation. That’s entirely fine but the electorate voted democratically in Scotland to remain in the EU.
The turn out figures you talk off you’re saying actually wanted to remain part of the EU so never bothered voting. That’s China material right there. "
nope I said they didn't vote I didn't say how they voted.
Unlike you claiming Scotland wants to be part of the failing project. Go on more but but but lol butt hurt is closer to the truth nighty nighty now |
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"Scotland 62% remain
32% leave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
Suck it up lol polling figures you may find your 62% ain't all the population of Scotland. Many didn't vote on that issue go on another but but but before your blue paint drys up
62% voted to remain, 32% to leave, 6% didn’t vote.
That’s 100% of the Scottish electorate.
The Many you talk off is 6% recheck your stats here's a clue turnout figures
You don’t recognise Scotland as a sovereign nation. That’s entirely fine but the electorate voted democratically in Scotland to remain in the EU.
The turn out figures you talk off you’re saying actually wanted to remain part of the EU so never bothered voting. That’s China material right there. nope I said they didn't vote I didn't say how they voted.
Unlike you claiming Scotland wants to be part of the failing project. Go on more but but but lol butt hurt is closer to the truth nighty nighty now "
Everyone can see that Scotland voted to remain in the EU.
Only you fail to recognise a democratic vote overwhelmingly.
We can all see you’ve no ammo in this when you’re getting personal |
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"How many countries have decided to go independent then asked to come back, as like many claim, they were to small, to poor, to incapable.
go on, how many.
.
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.
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0do your research quite a few ask to rejoin the nation they were part of.
the better question to ask is how many were allowed to rejoin.
Can you show us how many of the former commonwealth asked to rejoin ? do I appear to be your lackey?
The user posed a question I answered it.
I do as I please not what some "influencer" tells me to do I'm bored toying with you off to watch braveheart (factually correct according to many) "
You can’t back your claim up because zero former commonwealth countries asked to rejoin the commonwealth.
In a debate I ask a question you answer, you ask as question I answer. You can back by facts not rhetoric. In summarising you’ve nothing to convince anyone of your debate. |
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"Scotland 62% remain
32% leave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
Suck it up lol polling figures you may find your 62% ain't all the population of Scotland. Many didn't vote on that issue go on another but but but before your blue paint drys up
62% voted to remain, 32% to leave, 6% didn’t vote.
That’s 100% of the Scottish electorate.
The Many you talk off is 6% recheck your stats here's a clue turnout figures
You don’t recognise Scotland as a sovereign nation. That’s entirely fine but the electorate voted democratically in Scotland to remain in the EU.
The turn out figures you talk off you’re saying actually wanted to remain part of the EU so never bothered voting. That’s China material right there. nope I said they didn't vote I didn't say how they voted.
Unlike you claiming Scotland wants to be part of the failing project. Go on more but but but lol butt hurt is closer to the truth nighty nighty now
Everyone can see that Scotland voted to remain in the EU.
Only you fail to recognise a democratic vote overwhelmingly.
We can all see you’ve no ammo in this when you’re getting personal "
who's getting personal certainly not me.
I show the inconsistencies in your flawed theories. You throw the Teddy out the cot and claim (as you just have) everyone can see scotland voted to remain in the EU.
We both know the figures so we both know your statements inaccurate.
Of the 67% who could be arsed voting would have been a more accurate statement but that doesn't suit your narrative so you put out what you want believed and claim it as fact.
It's not me unwilling to accept the democratic vote ain't me crying scotland wants to be free.
Gonna put this real simple for you scotland voted to remain within this country.
This country voted to leave the EU. No ifs or buts there it is plain and simple. Though you won't accept that because....... But but but |
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"How many countries have decided to go independent then asked to come back, as like many claim, they were to small, to poor, to incapable.
go on, how many.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
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0do your research quite a few ask to rejoin the nation they were part of.
the better question to ask is how many were allowed to rejoin.
Can you show us how many of the former commonwealth asked to rejoin ? do I appear to be your lackey?
The user posed a question I answered it.
I do as I please not what some "influencer" tells me to do I'm bored toying with you off to watch braveheart (factually correct according to many)
You can’t back your claim up because zero former commonwealth countries asked to rejoin the commonwealth.
In a debate I ask a question you answer, you ask as question I answer. You can back by facts not rhetoric. In summarising you’ve nothing to convince anyone of your debate. "
pmsl I answered your question here it is again.... I ain't your lackey.
You attempt to change the question to justify your argument.
How many countries have decided to go independent then asked to come back....
This is the question I answered.
Nighty night now |
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"Scotland 62% remain
32% leave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
Suck it up lol polling figures you may find your 62% ain't all the population of Scotland. Many didn't vote on that issue go on another but but but before your blue paint drys up
62% voted to remain, 32% to leave, 6% didn’t vote.
That’s 100% of the Scottish electorate.
The Many you talk off is 6% recheck your stats here's a clue turnout figures
You don’t recognise Scotland as a sovereign nation. That’s entirely fine but the electorate voted democratically in Scotland to remain in the EU.
The turn out figures you talk off you’re saying actually wanted to remain part of the EU so never bothered voting. That’s China material right there. nope I said they didn't vote I didn't say how they voted.
Unlike you claiming Scotland wants to be part of the failing project. Go on more but but but lol butt hurt is closer to the truth nighty nighty now
Everyone can see that Scotland voted to remain in the EU.
Only you fail to recognise a democratic vote overwhelmingly.
We can all see you’ve no ammo in this when you’re getting personal who's getting personal certainly not me.
I show the inconsistencies in your flawed theories. You throw the Teddy out the cot and claim (as you just have) everyone can see scotland voted to remain in the EU.
We both know the figures so we both know your statements inaccurate.
Of the 67% who could be arsed voting would have been a more accurate statement but that doesn't suit your narrative so you put out what you want believed and claim it as fact.
It's not me unwilling to accept the democratic vote ain't me crying scotland wants to be free.
Gonna put this real simple for you scotland voted to remain within this country.
This country voted to leave the EU. No ifs or buts there it is plain and simple. Though you won't accept that because....... But but but "
The country Scotland voted to remain. We can read and back that up apart from you.
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"Scotland 62% remain
32% leave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
Suck it up lol polling figures you may find your 62% ain't all the population of Scotland. Many didn't vote on that issue go on another but but but before your blue paint drys up
62% voted to remain, 32% to leave, 6% didn’t vote.
That’s 100% of the Scottish electorate.
The Many you talk off is 6% recheck your stats here's a clue turnout figures
You don’t recognise Scotland as a sovereign nation. That’s entirely fine but the electorate voted democratically in Scotland to remain in the EU.
The turn out figures you talk off you’re saying actually wanted to remain part of the EU so never bothered voting. That’s China material right there. nope I said they didn't vote I didn't say how they voted.
Unlike you claiming Scotland wants to be part of the failing project. Go on more but but but lol butt hurt is closer to the truth nighty nighty now
Everyone can see that Scotland voted to remain in the EU.
Only you fail to recognise a democratic vote overwhelmingly.
We can all see you’ve no ammo in this when you’re getting personal who's getting personal certainly not me.
I show the inconsistencies in your flawed theories. You throw the Teddy out the cot and claim (as you just have) everyone can see scotland voted to remain in the EU.
We both know the figures so we both know your statements inaccurate.
Of the 67% who could be arsed voting would have been a more accurate statement but that doesn't suit your narrative so you put out what you want believed and claim it as fact.
It's not me unwilling to accept the democratic vote ain't me crying scotland wants to be free.
Gonna put this real simple for you scotland voted to remain within this country.
This country voted to leave the EU. No ifs or buts there it is plain and simple. Though you won't accept that because....... But but but
The country Scotland voted to remain. We can read and back that up apart from you.
Only you could think that 6% who didn’t vote trumps 62% who did vote "
lol again turnout figures or do you not understand what the turnout figure is? You want a clue on what the 6% is? Don't run around citing figures when you don't even understand what they are.
You know what I give up no point trying to show someone their errors when they are blind to even the most basic stats and there meanings. |
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray "
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol |
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol "
again your attempting to deceive folk the UK voted to leave. Though you always have a but but but.
Why because your unwilling to accept the simple truths and attempt to disguise it with misdirection pretty sad |
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol again your attempting to deceive folk the UK voted to leave. Though you always have a but but but.
Why because your unwilling to accept the simple truths and attempt to disguise it with misdirection pretty sad "
You do realise the UK is NOT a country |
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"More misdirection really stings getting your theories shredded eh "
You’re claims... Scotland isn’t a country
6% is greater than 62%
Democracy isn’t a thing
No back up to any former commonwealth country ever asking to rejoin. |
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Jesus looked across the table at God and asked “Where have you been these last months?”
God replied “I’ve been in Scotland”
Jesus with a shocked look said “So for the last year there’s been a pandemic raging and you’ve been in Scotland! Doing what???”
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Oh dear another attempt at misdirection or inability to understand what the percentages are so I will lay it out for you.
Percentage of eligible voters who actually voted in the uks referendum vote on leaving the EU (turnout) 67% of eligible voters.
62% of the 67% voted remain
32% 0f the 67% voted leave
6% were invalid ballots
33% of eligible voters totally abstained from the vote.
Scotlands ballots were added to England Wales and Ireland votes and the return was leave the EU.
No ifs and or buts that's how it is your inability to accept what the people have asked for is your issue not scotlands as you want to paint it accept the democratic votes that happened or keep crying wolf and blaming England and continue to look foolish. |
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"Jesus looked across the table at God and asked “Where have you been these last months?”
God replied “I’ve been in Scotland”
Jesus with a shocked look said “So for the last year there’s been a pandemic raging and you’ve been in Scotland! Doing what???”
God leaned over and whispered “Working from home Son, working from home” "
jesus then looked across the table and replied have those eijets sorted out the crazy devisivness yet |
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"Oh dear another attempt at misdirection or inability to understand what the percentages are so I will lay it out for you.
Percentage of eligible voters who actually voted in the uks referendum vote on leaving the EU (turnout) 67% of eligible voters.
62% of the 67% voted remain
32% 0f the 67% voted leave
6% were invalid ballots
33% of eligible voters totally abstained from the vote.
Scotlands ballots were added to England Wales and Ireland votes and the return was leave the EU.
No ifs and or buts that's how it is your inability to accept what the people have asked for is your issue not scotlands as you want to paint it accept the democratic votes that happened or keep crying wolf and blaming England and continue to look foolish. "
Except we’re not talking UK percentages we’re talking the the sovereign nation of Scotland.
Your perception is the UK is one country which it isn’t. The UK is not a country. |
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"Oh dear another attempt at misdirection or inability to understand what the percentages are so I will lay it out for you.
Percentage of eligible voters who actually voted in the uks referendum vote on leaving the EU (turnout) 67% of eligible voters.
62% of the 67% voted remain
32% 0f the 67% voted leave
6% were invalid ballots
33% of eligible voters totally abstained from the vote.
Scotlands ballots were added to England Wales and Ireland votes and the return was leave the EU.
No ifs and or buts that's how it is your inability to accept what the people have asked for is your issue not scotlands as you want to paint it accept the democratic votes that happened or keep crying wolf and blaming England and continue to look foolish.
Except we’re not talking UK percentages we’re talking the the sovereign nation of Scotland.
Your perception is the UK is one country which it isn’t. The UK is not a country. "
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"Oh dear another attempt at misdirection or inability to understand what the percentages are so I will lay it out for you.
Percentage of eligible voters who actually voted in the uks referendum vote on leaving the EU (turnout) 67% of eligible voters.
62% of the 67% voted remain
32% 0f the 67% voted leave
6% were invalid ballots
33% of eligible voters totally abstained from the vote.
Scotlands ballots were added to England Wales and Ireland votes and the return was leave the EU.
No ifs and or buts that's how it is your inability to accept what the people have asked for is your issue not scotlands as you want to paint it accept the democratic votes that happened or keep crying wolf and blaming England and continue to look foolish.
Except we’re not talking UK percentages we’re talking the the sovereign nation of Scotland.
Your perception is the UK is one country which it isn’t. The UK is not a country. lol get over it indy was voted on and rejected but but but"
On a mandate of lies ?
Pension ?
Currency ?
Brexit ?
Constitution?
Covid ?
Again, 62% trumped the union |
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"Some people peddle their own views to such an extent that they will not tolerate anyone else having a different stance.
Sad sad little people that you are"
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"Jesus looked across the table at God and asked “Where have you been these last months?”
God replied “I’ve been in Scotland”
Jesus with a shocked look said “So for the last year there’s been a pandemic raging and you’ve been in Scotland! Doing what???”
God leaned over and whispered “Working from home Son, working from home” "
Oops… meant to above… I’m a total spanner ! |
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From today's Sunday Times.
'Which currency would an independent Scotland use?
There are three currency options: a new Scottish currency; retaining the pound sterling; and joining the euro.
A new currency now appears to be preference of the SNP leadership'
Very worrying.
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I was born in Scotland, grew up in Scotland, live in Scotland. I'm British. I think that answers how I feel.
I think the idea of the nation state has run its course. The problems that need solved by governments are global, splitting the world in to smaller and smaller factions is counter productive and unnecessary.
In my experience Scotland 'piss up brewery organise couldn't'. I think we need to stop being so uppity and accept our place. |
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"I was born in Scotland, grew up in Scotland, live in Scotland. I'm British. I think that answers how I feel.
I think the idea of the nation state has run its course. The problems that need solved by governments are global, splitting the world in to smaller and smaller factions is counter productive and unnecessary.
In my experience Scotland 'piss up brewery organise couldn't'. I think we need to stop being so uppity and accept our place. "
Accept our place? At the mercy of Westminster? Fucking hell what a bleak outlook |
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"Oh dear another attempt at misdirection or inability to understand what the percentages are so I will lay it out for you.
Percentage of eligible voters who actually voted in the uks referendum vote on leaving the EU (turnout) 67% of eligible voters.
62% of the 67% voted remain
32% 0f the 67% voted leave
6% were invalid ballots
33% of eligible voters totally abstained from the vote.
Scotlands ballots were added to England Wales and Ireland votes and the return was leave the EU.
No ifs and or buts that's how it is your inability to accept what the people have asked for is your issue not scotlands as you want to paint it accept the democratic votes that happened or keep crying wolf and blaming England and continue to look foolish.
Except we’re not talking UK percentages we’re talking the the sovereign nation of Scotland.
Your perception is the UK is one country which it isn’t. The UK is not a country. lol get over it indy was voted on and rejected but but but
On a mandate of lies ?
Pension ?
Currency ?
Brexit ?
Constitution?
Covid ?
Again, 62% trumped the union "
I'm sure that many people who voted to remain in the EU have changed their mind since seeing how the EU has behaved since Brexit! |
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"I was born in Scotland, grew up in Scotland, live in Scotland. I'm British. I think that answers how I feel.
I think the idea of the nation state has run its course. The problems that need solved by governments are global, splitting the world in to smaller and smaller factions is counter productive and unnecessary.
In my experience Scotland 'piss up brewery organise couldn't'. I think we need to stop being so uppity and accept our place.
Accept our place? At the mercy of Westminster? Fucking hell what a bleak outlook"
Sadly this is common, my country folk suffering from, Stockholm syndrome. |
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"Oh dear another attempt at misdirection or inability to understand what the percentages are so I will lay it out for you.
Percentage of eligible voters who actually voted in the uks referendum vote on leaving the EU (turnout) 67% of eligible voters.
62% of the 67% voted remain
32% 0f the 67% voted leave
6% were invalid ballots
33% of eligible voters totally abstained from the vote.
Scotlands ballots were added to England Wales and Ireland votes and the return was leave the EU.
No ifs and or buts that's how it is your inability to accept what the people have asked for is your issue not scotlands as you want to paint it accept the democratic votes that happened or keep crying wolf and blaming England and continue to look foolish.
Except we’re not talking UK percentages we’re talking the the sovereign nation of Scotland.
Your perception is the UK is one country which it isn’t. The UK is not a country. lol get over it indy was voted on and rejected but but but
On a mandate of lies ?
Pension ?
Currency ?
Brexit ?
Constitution?
Covid ?
Again, 62% trumped the union
I'm sure that many people who voted to remain in the EU have changed their mind since seeing how the EU has behaved since Brexit! "
And immediately after the result was announced,.loads of people said they instantly regretted voting for it.
And all those poor people.that cant go to their holiday homes now.
1,2,3 Awwwww |
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"Oh dear another attempt at misdirection or inability to understand what the percentages are so I will lay it out for you.
Percentage of eligible voters who actually voted in the uks referendum vote on leaving the EU (turnout) 67% of eligible voters.
62% of the 67% voted remain
32% 0f the 67% voted leave
6% were invalid ballots
33% of eligible voters totally abstained from the vote.
Scotlands ballots were added to England Wales and Ireland votes and the return was leave the EU.
No ifs and or buts that's how it is your inability to accept what the people have asked for is your issue not scotlands as you want to paint it accept the democratic votes that happened or keep crying wolf and blaming England and continue to look foolish.
Except we’re not talking UK percentages we’re talking the the sovereign nation of Scotland.
Your perception is the UK is one country which it isn’t. The UK is not a country. lol get over it indy was voted on and rejected but but but
On a mandate of lies ?
Pension ?
Currency ?
Brexit ?
Constitution?
Covid ?
Again, 62% trumped the union
I'm sure that many people who voted to remain in the EU have changed their mind since seeing how the EU has behaved since Brexit!
And immediately after the result was announced,.loads of people said they instantly regretted voting for it.
And all those poor people.that cant go to their holiday homes now.
1,2,3 Awwwww"
So, no doubt, a Yes vote for independence would do the same. Well pointed out. Get what you vote for but regret it afterwards. |
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"How many countries have decided to go independent then asked to come back, as like many claim, they were to small, to poor, to incapable.
go on, how many.
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0"
Yep, it's usually a case of amalgamating eg Germany (Prussia etc), Italy etc. There are still parts of Italy that are German speaking although the powers that be are trying to prevent the schools in those areas teaching in German now! |
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"Oh dear another attempt at misdirection or inability to understand what the percentages are so I will lay it out for you.
Percentage of eligible voters who actually voted in the uks referendum vote on leaving the EU (turnout) 67% of eligible voters.
62% of the 67% voted remain
32% 0f the 67% voted leave
6% were invalid ballots
33% of eligible voters totally abstained from the vote.
Scotlands ballots were added to England Wales and Ireland votes and the return was leave the EU.
No ifs and or buts that's how it is your inability to accept what the people have asked for is your issue not scotlands as you want to paint it accept the democratic votes that happened or keep crying wolf and blaming England and continue to look foolish.
Except we’re not talking UK percentages we’re talking the the sovereign nation of Scotland.
Your perception is the UK is one country which it isn’t. The UK is not a country. lol get over it indy was voted on and rejected but but but
On a mandate of lies ?
Pension ?
Currency ?
Brexit ?
Constitution?
Covid ?
Again, 62% trumped the union
I'm sure that many people who voted to remain in the EU have changed their mind since seeing how the EU has behaved since Brexit!
And immediately after the result was announced,.loads of people said they instantly regretted voting for it.
And all those poor people.that cant go to their holiday homes now.
1,2,3 Awwwww
So, no doubt, a Yes vote for independence would do the same. Well pointed out. Get what you vote for but regret it afterwards. "
so Scotland would be the ONLY country in history that regrets cutting its ties with a corrupted WM, highly unlikely. |
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"Jesus looked across the table at God and asked “Where have you been these last months?”
God replied “I’ve been in Scotland”
Jesus with a shocked look said “So for the last year there’s been a pandemic raging and you’ve been in Scotland! Doing what???”
God leaned over and whispered “Working from home Son, working from home”
Oops… meant to above… I’m a total spanner !"
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"I was born in Scotland, grew up in Scotland, live in Scotland. I'm British. I think that answers how I feel.
I think the idea of the nation state has run its course. The problems that need solved by governments are global, splitting the world in to smaller and smaller factions is counter productive and unnecessary.
In my experience Scotland 'piss up brewery organise couldn't'. I think we need to stop being so uppity and accept our place.
Accept our place? At the mercy of Westminster? Fucking hell what a bleak outlook"
Bleak is very worrying I agree, it’s a choice and there would be problems to overcome but I’m sure we’d do it just like every other country that’s freed itself from another. This debate will rage forever whether we stay or leave but what really gets me is the notion that we are subsidised. I can’t help but think why would any county subsidise another to its detriment. We are wanted in the union because we pay our way and more probably. Also if the UK split England would lose what remains of its street cred as a world power. Not the mighty United Kingdom just another wee country. I’m not in the slightest anti English but hate the notion that many have that they “keep” us. Nonsense!!! If it is true (for those that believe that) I’d rather do without something and be master of our own destiny than be cap in hand.
I’ve heard and seen all the arguments for years and that’s my opinion dear forumites so please don’t list all the do’s and donts YOU feel would result should we leave, they are all listed above and the many other threads...
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"I was born in Scotland, grew up in Scotland, live in Scotland. I'm British. I think that answers how I feel.
I think the idea of the nation state has run its course. The problems that need solved by governments are global, splitting the world in to smaller and smaller factions is counter productive and unnecessary.
In my experience Scotland 'piss up brewery organise couldn't'. I think we need to stop being so uppity and accept our place.
Accept our place? At the mercy of Westminster? Fucking hell what a bleak outlook
Bleak is very worrying I agree, it’s a choice and there would be problems to overcome but I’m sure we’d do it just like every other country that’s freed itself from another. This debate will rage forever whether we stay or leave but what really gets me is the notion that we are subsidised. I can’t help but think why would any county subsidise another to its detriment. We are wanted in the union because we pay our way and more probably. Also if the UK split England would lose what remains of its street cred as a world power. Not the mighty United Kingdom just another wee country. I’m not in the slightest anti English but hate the notion that many have that they “keep” us. Nonsense!!! If it is true (for those that believe that) I’d rather do without something and be master of our own destiny than be cap in hand.
I’ve heard and seen all the arguments for years and that’s my opinion dear forumites so please don’t list all the do’s and donts YOU feel would result should we leave, they are all listed above and the many other threads...
Enjoy your debate "
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"Anything would be better than been governed by the Muppets in Westminster... "
Sounds like what was said about the Weimar Republic. Not that the term 'muppets' was used but definitely the same sentiment. |
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Give the rest UK vote on if they want Scotland to leave uk the SNP would get their wish then people are dying and all you get is the nationalists moaning
Can tell you now no way will.you have a soft border betweeen Scotland and rest UK |
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The SNP message is that of the truculent teenager...The what have they ever done for us etc....It is the politics of division and grievence which always flourish after the economy tanks...2008 anyone ?
So if you really beieve that the SNP and independance is the solution to our social ills...I have some magic beans for sale |
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"To all the SNP and Independence supporters in Scotland please answer this. Scotland currently spends £15 billion pounds a year more than it receives in taxes from the Scottish people. Thats 15 BILLION POUNDS a year. How on earth are you going to make up that money every year?
I'll tell you how. Get independence and everyone in Scotland's taxes will rise (we are already the highest taxed in the U.K.). Get independence and:-
Say goodbye to free prescriptions.
Say goodbye to free higher education.
Say goodbye to the millions received from the Barnett formula.
Say goodbye to the tourist industry. Over 75% of our tourism comes from the rest of the UK and many of them are fed up at being harassed and called names by nationalists.
Our biggest trading partner is the rest of the UK. Say goodbye to that.
Say goodbye to our state pensions. Westminster has already stated that state pensions will be the sole responsibility of the Scottish Government the day after Independence.
Don't say oil is our big money saviour. People working in the oil industry in Aberdeen say it’s worth "shit". Plus, the oil fields are mainly in Scottish waters, but the gas is more or less all in English waters. So, what we make from oil, we lose from gas. Don’t mention wind power as the SNP have already destroyed that industry with the disgusting BiFab fiasco!
What about the 16,000 Defence Jobs that will be lost when Holy Loch is shut down?
What about the loss of highly skilled jobs at BAE on the Clyde and Rosyth?
What about the private companies that would register in England to avoid the damaging taxes and levies that would be imposed on private business?
What about the Banking and Corporate Jobs that would be lost as jobs are relocated South during the transition phase, never to return?
We wouldn't even have our own currency. Don’t listen to MSP Emma Harper who says that credit and debit cards can be used all over the world! But in what currency??!! We can’t use the £ as this is governed by the Bank of England, yes, the England you all hate. They would not allow Sterling to be used by a country OUTSIDE of the United Kingdom, which an independent Scotland would be!
We will have 8% of the UK dept to pay which, due to the last year, is in the trillions. Don’t believe the SNP who say that Scotland won’t have to repay that debt. Try saying that to your credit card company and see what happens!
Go independent and become an instant 3rd world country, run by a corrupt tin pot dictator. A 3rd world country would be the last thing the EU would allow back in. If you don’t have the entry fee, you can’t join the party!
You would literally be like another load of turkeys voting for Christmas.
When all your chips have fallen off your shoulders and you have washed the blue paint off your faces, you would soon realise that all you have done is cut off your noses to spite your faces.
Remember, it was a Scottish King that united the Kingdoms in the first place over 300 years ago."
A Scottish king wanting fame and fortune. If you knew your history you would recognise England/UK has took from all the colonies over and over again. Everyone who leaves prospers!!! All you have said is spout the rubbish what we bring in Tax wise?? Tell me what’s not on that balance sheet??
Hope over Fear don’t be afraid!!
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol "
So why doesn't the vote to remain part of the Union hold the same clout for you?
It seems you like you're only choosing to accept the decision you agree with. |
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Since there is obviously such division in Scotland regarding independence, what do people think might happen? Is Scotland likely to break up? Would the border regions become like Northern Ireland and remain part of the Union? Would many people from elsewhere in Scotland move to what's left of the UK. As an example, I think it was about one third of the population of Donegal moved to the UK after Irish independence. Would the Northern Isles separate?
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"I was born in Scotland, grew up in Scotland, live in Scotland. I'm British. I think that answers how I feel.
I think the idea of the nation state has run its course. The problems that need solved by governments are global, splitting the world in to smaller and smaller factions is counter productive and unnecessary.
In my experience Scotland 'piss up brewery organise couldn't'. I think we need to stop being so uppity and accept our place.
Accept our place? At the mercy of Westminster? Fucking hell what a bleak outlook
Sadly this is common, my country folk suffering from, Stockholm syndrome."
Stockholm syndrome? The South East of Scotland is predominantly Anglo-Saxon after moving in or invading Brythonic Celtic lands. The South West of Scotland is predominantly Brythonic Celtic (ie British) and pretty much the same as what we term the Picts. The Goidelic Celts invaded (or settled if you want to be nice about it) and either wiped out or absorbed much of the Pictish areas.
Then, of course, there are all the Danish and Norse invasions and colonisation etc.
Very similar things happened in what is now England and Wales.
The mix is very interesting and most of us are a mix of these different races anyway.
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol
So why doesn't the vote to remain part of the Union hold the same clout for you?
It seems you like you're only choosing to accept the decision you agree with. "
If you recall back the unionists stated the only way to stay part of Europe was to vote NO
One of many lies.
You may like being lied to but I certainly don’t. |
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"I was born in Scotland, grew up in Scotland, live in Scotland. I'm British. I think that answers how I feel.
I think the idea of the nation state has run its course. The problems that need solved by governments are global, splitting the world in to smaller and smaller factions is counter productive and unnecessary.
In my experience Scotland 'piss up brewery organise couldn't'. I think we need to stop being so uppity and accept our place.
Accept our place? At the mercy of Westminster? Fucking hell what a bleak outlook
Sadly this is common, my country folk suffering from, Stockholm syndrome.
Stockholm syndrome? The South East of Scotland is predominantly Anglo-Saxon after moving in or invading Brythonic Celtic lands. The South West of Scotland is predominantly Brythonic Celtic (ie British) and pretty much the same as what we term the Picts. The Goidelic Celts invaded (or settled if you want to be nice about it) and either wiped out or absorbed much of the Pictish areas.
Then, of course, there are all the Danish and Norse invasions and colonisation etc.
Very similar things happened in what is now England and Wales.
The mix is very interesting and most of us are a mix of these different races anyway.
If there is Stockholm Syndrome, you're looking at it from the wrong point of view. "
Am i, how should i look at it?
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol
So why doesn't the vote to remain part of the Union hold the same clout for you?
It seems you like you're only choosing to accept the decision you agree with.
If you recall back the unionists stated the only way to stay part of Europe was to vote NO
One of many lies.
You may like being lied to but I certainly don’t. "
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"I was born in Scotland, grew up in Scotland, live in Scotland. I'm British. I think that answers how I feel.
I think the idea of the nation state has run its course. The problems that need solved by governments are global, splitting the world in to smaller and smaller factions is counter productive and unnecessary.
In my experience Scotland 'piss up brewery organise couldn't'. I think we need to stop being so uppity and accept our place.
Accept our place? At the mercy of Westminster? Fucking hell what a bleak outlook
Sadly this is common, my country folk suffering from, Stockholm syndrome.
Stockholm syndrome? The South East of Scotland is predominantly Anglo-Saxon after moving in or invading Brythonic Celtic lands. The South West of Scotland is predominantly Brythonic Celtic (ie British) and pretty much the same as what we term the Picts. The Goidelic Celts invaded (or settled if you want to be nice about it) and either wiped out or absorbed much of the Pictish areas.
Then, of course, there are all the Danish and Norse invasions and colonisation etc.
Very similar things happened in what is now England and Wales.
The mix is very interesting and most of us are a mix of these different races anyway.
If there is Stockholm Syndrome, you're looking at it from the wrong point of view.
Am i, how should i look at it?
I am always happy to learn "
I hoped that from my point you'd now be considering the different regional settlement patterns by 'race'. For instance, the Lothians and Borders which were once part of Northumbria perhaps represent the idea of Stockholm Syndrome better.
Even the language of 'Inglis' was renamed as 'Scots' but it doesn't make it less Northumbrian and more Scottish despite what people generally accept now. |
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"I was born in Scotland, grew up in Scotland, live in Scotland. I'm British. I think that answers how I feel.
I think the idea of the nation state has run its course. The problems that need solved by governments are global, splitting the world in to smaller and smaller factions is counter productive and unnecessary.
In my experience Scotland 'piss up brewery organise couldn't'. I think we need to stop being so uppity and accept our place.
Accept our place? At the mercy of Westminster? Fucking hell what a bleak outlook
Sadly this is common, my country folk suffering from, Stockholm syndrome.
Stockholm syndrome? The South East of Scotland is predominantly Anglo-Saxon after moving in or invading Brythonic Celtic lands. The South West of Scotland is predominantly Brythonic Celtic (ie British) and pretty much the same as what we term the Picts. The Goidelic Celts invaded (or settled if you want to be nice about it) and either wiped out or absorbed much of the Pictish areas.
Then, of course, there are all the Danish and Norse invasions and colonisation etc.
Very similar things happened in what is now England and Wales.
The mix is very interesting and most of us are a mix of these different races anyway.
If there is Stockholm Syndrome, you're looking at it from the wrong point of view.
Am i, how should i look at it?
I am always happy to learn
I hoped that from my point you'd now be considering the different regional settlement patterns by 'race'. For instance, the Lothians and Borders which were once part of Northumbria perhaps represent the idea of Stockholm Syndrome better.
Even the language of 'Inglis' was renamed as 'Scots' but it doesn't make it less Northumbrian and more Scottish despite what people generally accept now. "
no i am not, i still view it as Wm is a foreign power hellbent on illegal wars, conning the population, and being c*nts in general.
i want nothing to do with it. |
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"I was born in Scotland, grew up in Scotland, live in Scotland. I'm British. I think that answers how I feel.
I think the idea of the nation state has run its course. The problems that need solved by governments are global, splitting the world in to smaller and smaller factions is counter productive and unnecessary.
In my experience Scotland 'piss up brewery organise couldn't'. I think we need to stop being so uppity and accept our place.
Accept our place? At the mercy of Westminster? Fucking hell what a bleak outlook
Sadly this is common, my country folk suffering from, Stockholm syndrome.
Stockholm syndrome? The South East of Scotland is predominantly Anglo-Saxon after moving in or invading Brythonic Celtic lands. The South West of Scotland is predominantly Brythonic Celtic (ie British) and pretty much the same as what we term the Picts. The Goidelic Celts invaded (or settled if you want to be nice about it) and either wiped out or absorbed much of the Pictish areas.
Then, of course, there are all the Danish and Norse invasions and colonisation etc.
Very similar things happened in what is now England and Wales.
The mix is very interesting and most of us are a mix of these different races anyway.
If there is Stockholm Syndrome, you're looking at it from the wrong point of view.
Am i, how should i look at it?
I am always happy to learn
I hoped that from my point you'd now be considering the different regional settlement patterns by 'race'. For instance, the Lothians and Borders which were once part of Northumbria perhaps represent the idea of Stockholm Syndrome better.
Even the language of 'Inglis' was renamed as 'Scots' but it doesn't make it less Northumbrian and more Scottish despite what people generally accept now. "
In 2018 I attended an event commemorating the Battle of Carham which took place in 1018. An allied force of Scots and Strathclyde Britons defeated the Northumbrian and it ultimately led to the border being moved to, more or less, where it is now. However it wasn't official until after the Treaty of York over 200 years later.
Anyway, the point is this: A battle reenactment took place. A young child sitting nearby me was cheering because the 'Scots' won. This child was from somewhere like Kelso or Coldstream ie Northumbrian at the time of the battle so was really cheering on the aggressors and enemy. |
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol
So why doesn't the vote to remain part of the Union hold the same clout for you?
It seems you like you're only choosing to accept the decision you agree with.
If you recall back the unionists stated the only way to stay part of Europe was to vote NO
One of many lies.
You may like being lied to but I certainly don’t.
exavtly, one of manyies, all they seem to do down there is lie and misinform, no wonder so many people are scepticle about Covid 19, we know our governments cant be trusted at the best of times, so, they dont trust them now either."
Does that make wee nic a liar to then , she's on TV every day talking about covid ?? |
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol
So why doesn't the vote to remain part of the Union hold the same clout for you?
It seems you like you're only choosing to accept the decision you agree with.
If you recall back the unionists stated the only way to stay part of Europe was to vote NO
One of many lies.
You may like being lied to but I certainly don’t.
exavtly, one of manyies, all they seem to do down there is lie and misinform, no wonder so many people are scepticle about Covid 19, we know our governments cant be trusted at the best of times, so, they dont trust them now either.
Does that make wee nic a liar to then , she's on TV every day talking about covid ??"
I didnt say they are lying about covid, i said its no wonder people do bot trust them, the Governemnt in general |
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol
So why doesn't the vote to remain part of the Union hold the same clout for you?
It seems you like you're only choosing to accept the decision you agree with.
If you recall back the unionists stated the only way to stay part of Europe was to vote NO
One of many lies.
You may like being lied to but I certainly don’t.
exavtly, one of manyies, all they seem to do down there is lie and misinform, no wonder so many people are scepticle about Covid 19, we know our governments cant be trusted at the best of times, so, they dont trust them now either.
Does that make wee nic a liar to then , she's on TV every day talking about covid ??"
You don’t vote so nothing you say in politics matters if you can’t back up your words with a X in a box |
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"I was born in Scotland, grew up in Scotland, live in Scotland. I'm British. I think that answers how I feel.
I think the idea of the nation state has run its course. The problems that need solved by governments are global, splitting the world in to smaller and smaller factions is counter productive and unnecessary.
In my experience Scotland 'piss up brewery organise couldn't'. I think we need to stop being so uppity and accept our place.
Accept our place? At the mercy of Westminster? Fucking hell what a bleak outlook
Sadly this is common, my country folk suffering from, Stockholm syndrome.
Stockholm syndrome? The South East of Scotland is predominantly Anglo-Saxon after moving in or invading Brythonic Celtic lands. The South West of Scotland is predominantly Brythonic Celtic (ie British) and pretty much the same as what we term the Picts. The Goidelic Celts invaded (or settled if you want to be nice about it) and either wiped out or absorbed much of the Pictish areas.
Then, of course, there are all the Danish and Norse invasions and colonisation etc.
Very similar things happened in what is now England and Wales.
The mix is very interesting and most of us are a mix of these different races anyway.
If there is Stockholm Syndrome, you're looking at it from the wrong point of view.
Am i, how should i look at it?
I am always happy to learn
I hoped that from my point you'd now be considering the different regional settlement patterns by 'race'. For instance, the Lothians and Borders which were once part of Northumbria perhaps represent the idea of Stockholm Syndrome better.
Even the language of 'Inglis' was renamed as 'Scots' but it doesn't make it less Northumbrian and more Scottish despite what people generally accept now.
no i am not, i still view it as Wm is a foreign power hellbent on illegal wars, conning the population, and being c*nts in general.
i want nothing to do with it."
And you really think the SNP isn't conning the population?
I recall loads of people saying that the Alex Salmon sex scandal was a stitch-up. Then when it looked like it was a stitch-up by the SNP, the very same people went very quiet. Perhaps people want to be conned if it fits in with their agenda!
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"I was born in Scotland, grew up in Scotland, live in Scotland. I'm British. I think that answers how I feel.
I think the idea of the nation state has run its course. The problems that need solved by governments are global, splitting the world in to smaller and smaller factions is counter productive and unnecessary.
In my experience Scotland 'piss up brewery organise couldn't'. I think we need to stop being so uppity and accept our place.
Accept our place? At the mercy of Westminster? Fucking hell what a bleak outlook
Sadly this is common, my country folk suffering from, Stockholm syndrome.
Stockholm syndrome? The South East of Scotland is predominantly Anglo-Saxon after moving in or invading Brythonic Celtic lands. The South West of Scotland is predominantly Brythonic Celtic (ie British) and pretty much the same as what we term the Picts. The Goidelic Celts invaded (or settled if you want to be nice about it) and either wiped out or absorbed much of the Pictish areas.
Then, of course, there are all the Danish and Norse invasions and colonisation etc.
Very similar things happened in what is now England and Wales.
The mix is very interesting and most of us are a mix of these different races anyway.
If there is Stockholm Syndrome, you're looking at it from the wrong point of view.
Am i, how should i look at it?
I am always happy to learn
I hoped that from my point you'd now be considering the different regional settlement patterns by 'race'. For instance, the Lothians and Borders which were once part of Northumbria perhaps represent the idea of Stockholm Syndrome better.
Even the language of 'Inglis' was renamed as 'Scots' but it doesn't make it less Northumbrian and more Scottish despite what people generally accept now.
no i am not, i still view it as Wm is a foreign power hellbent on illegal wars, conning the population, and being c*nts in general.
i want nothing to do with it.
And you really think the SNP isn't conning the population?
I recall loads of people saying that the Alex Salmon sex scandal was a stitch-up. Then when it looked like it was a stitch-up by the SNP, the very same people went very quiet. Perhaps people want to be conned if it fits in with their agenda!
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol
So why doesn't the vote to remain part of the Union hold the same clout for you?
It seems you like you're only choosing to accept the decision you agree with.
If you recall back the unionists stated the only way to stay part of Europe was to vote NO
One of many lies.
You may like being lied to but I certainly don’t.
exavtly, one of manyies, all they seem to do down there is lie and misinform, no wonder so many people are scepticle about Covid 19, we know our governments cant be trusted at the best of times, so, they dont trust them now either.
Does that make wee nic a liar to then , she's on TV every day talking about covid ??
You don’t vote so nothing you say in politics matters if you can’t back up your words with a X in a box "
Not voting is a vote though its a vote of no confidence in all |
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol
So why doesn't the vote to remain part of the Union hold the same clout for you?
It seems you like you're only choosing to accept the decision you agree with.
If you recall back the unionists stated the only way to stay part of Europe was to vote NO
One of many lies.
You may like being lied to but I certainly don’t.
exavtly, one of manyies, all they seem to do down there is lie and misinform, no wonder so many people are scepticle about Covid 19, we know our governments cant be trusted at the best of times, so, they dont trust them now either.
Does that make wee nic a liar to then , she's on TV every day talking about covid ??
You don’t vote so nothing you say in politics matters if you can’t back up your words with a X in a box Not voting is a vote though its a vote of no confidence in all "
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Horses for courses as I have stated many times I mistrust all politicians and believe the only thing you can depend on them doing is filling theirs and their cronies pockets (there are levels of competence with some) |
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voting No certainly does not mean I am happy with the way things are.i vote no because I believe that a Yes vote is not a credible alternative. No plan no policy no ideas. The yes side 7 years later still have no firm policy . The level of competence I see on display on transport, health,policing economy etc certainly do not inspire trust.A vote for yes is based on faith and not a lot else. |
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol
So why doesn't the vote to remain part of the Union hold the same clout for you?
It seems you like you're only choosing to accept the decision you agree with.
If you recall back the unionists stated the only way to stay part of Europe was to vote NO
One of many lies.
You may like being lied to but I certainly don’t.
exavtly, one of manyies, all they seem to do down there is lie and misinform, no wonder so many people are scepticle about Covid 19, we know our governments cant be trusted at the best of times, so, they dont trust them now either.
Does that make wee nic a liar to then , she's on TV every day talking about covid ??
You don’t vote so nothing you say in politics matters if you can’t back up your words with a X in a box "
As said already ,many many times. If there is no credible option to vote for then I'm not simply going to vote for the least shit option. Neither am I going to deface my vote then send it or take it in as I have no intention of wasting my time . Not even a few seconds of my time. You vote but nothing you say really contributes to these discussions either though. It's either Westminsters fault or but but but replies. So being a voter or not is pretty much irrelevant in lots of cases.
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"Everyone can see 62% of 100% is a majority lol 62% of 67% you still attempting to push your narrative.
That's immaterial anyway as the country as a whole voted out the failing project hoooo Ray
The country voted to remain as backed up by absolutely everyone except YOU lol
So why doesn't the vote to remain part of the Union hold the same clout for you?
It seems you like you're only choosing to accept the decision you agree with.
If you recall back the unionists stated the only way to stay part of Europe was to vote NO
One of many lies.
You may like being lied to but I certainly don’t.
exavtly, one of manyies, all they seem to do down there is lie and misinform, no wonder so many people are scepticle about Covid 19, we know our governments cant be trusted at the best of times, so, they dont trust them now either.
Does that make wee nic a liar to then , she's on TV every day talking about covid ??
You don’t vote so nothing you say in politics matters if you can’t back up your words with a X in a box
As said already ,many many times. If there is no credible option to vote for then I'm not simply going to vote for the least shit option. Neither am I going to deface my vote then send it or take it in as I have no intention of wasting my time . Not even a few seconds of my time. You vote but nothing you say really contributes to these discussions either though. It's either Westminsters fault or but but but replies. So being a voter or not is pretty much irrelevant in lots of cases.
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"People who don’t vote deserve to get shafted.
I find it highly hypocritical for folk to not back up or disapprove their leanings through the ballot box. "
can't you read? Why vote if you mistrust every option?
You really don't understand what the turnout figure is about do you |
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"People who don’t vote deserve to get shafted.
I find it highly hypocritical for folk to not back up or disapprove their leanings through the ballot box. can't you read? Why vote if you mistrust every option?
You really don't understand what the turnout figure is about do you "
Can’t you read ? lol
You really don’t understand democracy and the importance of voting. |
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"People who don’t vote deserve to get shafted.
I find it highly hypocritical for folk to not back up or disapprove their leanings through the ballot box. "
Lol so if I don't like a particular movie the actors in it can come and pump my arse because I never wrote to points of view about how bad it was . |
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"People who don’t vote deserve to get shafted.
I find it highly hypocritical for folk to not back up or disapprove their leanings through the ballot box.
Lol so if I don't like a particular movie the actors in it can come and pump my arse because I never wrote to points of view about how bad it was . "
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"People who don’t vote deserve to get shafted.
I find it highly hypocritical for folk to not back up or disapprove their leanings through the ballot box. can't you read? Why vote if you mistrust every option?
You really don't understand what the turnout figure is about do you
Can’t you read ? lol
You really don’t understand democracy and the importance of voting. "
you vote on something you agree with and believe those people stating policy's will carry them out..... Right.... So you don't trust any of them to follow through with their words cmon educate us what do you do?
You either look foolish here and admit your wrong or look like a lunitics and claim you must vote your choice |
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"People who don’t vote deserve to get shafted.
I find it highly hypocritical for folk to not back up or disapprove their leanings through the ballot box.
Lol so if I don't like a particular movie the actors in it can come and pump my arse because I never wrote to points of view about how bad it was .
Whatever floats yer boat "
Well it's your suggestion !!
I dont vote for any politicians so the only people that can shaft me are the politicians ,your words , just now that's the SNP. Ps even those that voted are getting shafted by them so brings it back to vote or don't vote, makes no difference. Lol |
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"People who don’t vote deserve to get shafted.
I find it highly hypocritical for folk to not back up or disapprove their leanings through the ballot box.
Lol so if I don't like a particular movie the actors in it can come and pump my arse because I never wrote to points of view about how bad it was .
Whatever floats yer boat
Well it's your suggestion !!
I dont vote for any politicians so the only people that can shaft me are the politicians ,your words , just now that's the SNP. Ps even those that voted are getting shafted by them so brings it back to vote or don't vote, makes no difference. Lol"
You obvs don’t know how govt works nor reserved matters.
Maybe if crayons were provided at the polling booth you’d manage ok |
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"Lol so you choose to call names it's not me making silly claims not me crying like a baby not me that can't accept votes that were returned as I said looking a little foolish cmon educate us "
Call names ?
I’m still waiting on you providing a credible source to the once in a generation mantra that you couldn’t back up.
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"Lol so you choose to call names it's not me making silly claims not me crying like a baby not me that can't accept votes that were returned as I said looking a little foolish cmon educate us
Call names ?
I’m still waiting on you providing a credible source to the once in a generation mantra that you couldn’t back up.
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your party favorites all stated it in public appearances cmon do your own research plenty of soundbites around for you to listen to...... Avoidance of answering its just eh eh you gotta vote and snp are da bomb |
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