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"The EU would reject them as a piss poor drain on their resources" or see us another source of income | |||
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"Assuming that Scotland are granted right to hold a second independent referendum and the majority voted yes as polls currently indicate - would an independent Scotland then need to call for a referendum to establish whether an application to rejoin EU should be made?" Your point fails when you say independent then application to rejoin.  | |||
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"Just Snp keep indicating that an independent Scotland would want to be back in EU and was just wondering if that would be without having a referendum" When wee nic tells the truth about having to change currency to the euro if she want independence then wait and see how many actually vote yes. Assuming there ever is another referendum that is. | |||
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"If a referendum is called and yes is the majority does everyone else get to shout and scream for another one. It's laughable it's even discussed we wNt independence...... So the EU can tell us what to do lol" Since the majority voted no on the first indy ref, yet we all didn't want to leave the EU I really don't know. All I do know is that if we do get independence, I'll be moving to England to keep my career. Independence destroys that for me | |||
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"I just posted the question as to whether a second EU referendum would be required or would those in charge point to the fact that majority of Scots had voted to remain first time round. " If that’s the case why would we need a second independence referendum when the majority of Scots voted No last time round. | |||
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"Because according to polls majority of Scots want independence or at least a second vote. They would point to the argument first time round when they were told that to stay in EU they should vote no to independence" The polls said Brexit didn’t a chance in 2016. Look how that turned out. There’s only 1 poll that matters. The rest are all worthless. | |||
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"Because according to polls majority of Scots want independence or at least a second vote. They would point to the argument first time round when they were told that to stay in EU they should vote no to independence" Also this is completely wrong. There’s no appetite for a referendum if you look at the last meaningful poll. The general election. Just simply look at the numbers. More people voted for parties against a referendum than voted for ones who are for one. | |||
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"If a referendum is called and yes is the majority does everyone else get to shout and scream for another one. It's laughable it's even discussed we wNt independence...... So the EU can tell us what to do lol Since the majority voted no on the first indy ref, yet we all didn't want to leave the EU I really don't know. All I do know is that if we do get independence, I'll be moving to England to keep my career. Independence destroys that for me" Me too. My workplace is a big international business. It would die if scotland became independent. We have 2 plants in Scotland and they'd both close and move south | |||
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"We would have to take our share of the “Covid” debt ( along with wrest of the deficit) & attempt to set up a central bank, leaving us as an economic basket case. I think that our level of debt would bar us from joining the brownies, never mind the EU" Same as every other nation then. And no reason not to be a normal nation/state. Why talk your nation down? We are as good as any. No better, no worse. But equal. | |||
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"The EU would reject them as a piss poor drain on their resourcesor see us another source of income " You live in cloud coo coo land if you think that ..  .. the public sector wage bill in Scotland is eye watering for a country of only 4.4 million working age tax paying population. Far better we remain part of the UK.
The EU is on its last legs in its current form its been that way for quite some time. The UK will make a success of brexit after the pain of transitioning has been mostly dealt with and other countries that bankroll the less productive will want out too. Holland wanted out, France voted to pull out and Ireland did too and the EU wouldn't accept it .. why would you want to join a corrupt out of touch sinking ship. | |||
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"I think it would be a complete disaster if Scotland went independent. We're not financially stable and Scotland itself is not a rich country anymore, we don't make anything or build anything anymore. Our deficit is way too high! Sturgeon would be clamouring for money from Brussels to bail our country out. " So what nation would we be comparable to, post normalisation, in your opinion? Given the abundance of resources we have (recognised internationally), roughly who would we most resemble? | |||
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"Before any country can apply they have to meet the entry criteria. Scotland does not meet any of them. " True, you’re clever and logical thinking man. In my opinion there’s no chance to rejoin EU, anyway EU is like a domino nowadays and there’s something in the air, something big. World like we knew changed drastically, we're having some kind of hybrid war right now and I’m afraid that’s the begging of new global conflict. | |||
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"Assuming that Scotland are granted right to hold a second independent referendum and the majority voted yes as polls currently indicate - would an independent Scotland then need to call for a referendum to establish whether an application to rejoin EU should be made?" I would say a referendum on joining the EU after independence would be required. There's a perfectly good left-wing argument for leaving the EU which was drowned out by the xenophobic nonsense peddled by Farage/Rees Mogg and their ilk.I voted to remain purely because of that. The end does not justify the means... I'd be perfectly happy to vote again on whether we should re-join the EU. I might even vote to stay out if the argument is civilly presented. But the moment I hear any kind of pound shop Moseley, I guarantee I'll be EU all the way baby!  | |||
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"Is their anything more vomit inducing than forelock tugging yoon clowns who never realised ‘The U.K.’ was sovereign all along and had a veto on any EU vote. Small minded, putting their country down. A disgrace and embarrassment to our great wee country. Oh, sorry, this seemed to be the level of ‘debate’ you guys are going for? What legislation are you gentlemen glad we’re ‘free’ of then? " | |||
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"The EU would reject them as a piss poor drain on their resources" Shame - is that what you really think of Scotland and it’s people. | |||
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"Before we even get to the discussion of currency I'd like to know how we plan to generate enough income to support us being independent. All the industries that we used as a lever have been decimated by covid and we are looking to severely reduce oil for petrol purposes over the next 10 years. I'm all for countries being independent and makeing their own decisions/mistakes but we need financial independence first and I don't see where that's coming from." You are suggesting that we need England to keep giving us money to stay economically afloat - that’s not true. | |||
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"Is their anything more vomit inducing than forelock tugging yoon clowns who never realised ‘The U.K.’ was sovereign all along and had a veto on any EU vote. Small minded, putting their country down. A disgrace and embarrassment to our great wee country Oh, sorry, this seemed to be the level of ‘debate’ you guys are going for? What legislation are you gentlemen glad we’re ‘free’ of then? "Well said. Unfortunately engaland doesn’t have all the gullible fools who get their political positions via fb and the news papers that manipulate | |||
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"If a referendum is called and yes is the majority does everyone else get to shout and scream for another one. It's laughable it's even discussed we wNt independence...... So the EU can tell us what to do lol Since the majority voted no on the first indy ref, yet we all didn't want to leave the EU I really don't know. All I do know is that if we do get independence, I'll be moving to England to keep my career. Independence destroys that for me" we all didn't want to stay in the EU either to many take what they think and superimpose that belief to all. The point I'm driving at this question was asked and it was answered to remain. that is agreeing to move forwards as the UK so when the UK voted to leave that's the agreed term of being part of the union we voted for. The crys of keep the door open ursula scotlands coming home goes against what the majority voted for and no amount of number spinning and wild claims of it will be different this time can change that. So if you do have a referendum again god forbid does it just mean whoever is crying in their milk just shouts best of 3.....5...11 the screaming nationalists would probably cut it off when they win with crys of you have to accept the people's vote but why should we they certainly haven't done so the past 6 yup only six years ago vote | |||
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"I think it would be a complete disaster if Scotland went independent. We're not financially stable and Scotland itself is not a rich country anymore, we don't make anything or build anything anymore. Our deficit is way too high! Sturgeon would be clamouring for money from Brussels to bail our country out. " this is why devo-max was taken off the table | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want?" The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want?" The same old fear story you forgot to mention that our pensions would disappear and we can’t use the pound. Everything you said is a version of the fear project from the Scottish referendum days. Take a look at the situation for the UK now. That’s what the Scottish voters will think on. One of the biggest issues is Europe- the Scottish people overwhelmingly voted to stay in Europe, not just in the Brexit referendum, but also during the Scottish referendum. It was a key turning point for the voters. Today’s issues are about market access and freedom of movement. If Scotland leaves the UK should we not expect a wonderful negotiated relationship and trade agreement just like the UK now has with Europe? Sovereignty such an important Brexit point but it doesn’t apply to Scotland? If the UK voters can make a decision to leave europe why can’t the Scottish voters make a decision to leave the UK? | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want? The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. " brexit was voted for by the UK which part ain't you getting. you talk as if Scotland is separate from the UK which again its not number spinning doesn't change the facts scotland voted to remain in the UK the UK voted to leave the EU its not rocket science | |||
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"If a referendum is called and yes is the majority does everyone else get to shout and scream for another one. It's laughable it's even discussed we wNt independence...... So the EU can tell us what to do lol Since the majority voted no on the first indy ref, yet we all didn't want to leave the EU I really don't know. All I do know is that if we do get independence, I'll be moving to England to keep my career. Independence destroys that for mewe all didn't want to stay in the EU either to many take what they think and superimpose that belief to all. The point I'm driving at this question was asked and it was answered to remain. that is agreeing to move forwards as the UK so when the UK voted to leave that's the agreed term of being part of the union we voted for. The crys of keep the door open ursula scotlands coming home goes against what the majority voted for and no amount of number spinning and wild claims of it will be different this time can change that. So if you do have a referendum again god forbid does it just mean whoever is crying in their milk just shouts best of 3.....5...11 the screaming nationalists would probably cut it off when they win with crys of you have to accept the people's vote but why should we they certainly haven't done so the past 6 yup only six years ago vote " So you are only interested in the result of the Scottish referendum result and that’s how we should live for the rest of our lives? What about the Brexit vote where over 70% of Scottish voters wanted to stay in Europe. Don’t forget the no vote result in the Scottish referendum was equally driven by a desire to stay in Europe. Your loyalty to England is misplaced. | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want? The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. brexit was voted for by the UK which part ain't you getting. you talk as if Scotland is separate from the UK which again its not number spinning doesn't change the facts scotland voted to remain in the UK the UK voted to leave the EU its not rocket science" We voted as the UK, but the fact that Scotland has such a different political opinion to England and Wales on such a massive issue is evidence to me that independence isn't a bad idea. I want the political decisions made in Scotland to be the ones which Scotland wants. That's not rocket science either | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want? The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. brexit was voted for by the UK which part ain't you getting. you talk as if Scotland is separate from the UK which again its not number spinning doesn't change the facts scotland voted to remain in the UK the UK voted to leave the EU its not rocket science We voted as the UK, but the fact that Scotland has such a different political opinion to England and Wales on such a massive issue is evidence to me that independence isn't a bad idea. I want the political decisions made in Scotland to be the ones which Scotland wants. That's not rocket science either "and the majority decided they wanted their political decisions made by the UK not Scotland it will always come back to that. we voted to be in the UK not an independant Scotland and certainly not in dependant if you were to rejoin the EU and be governed by those | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want? The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. brexit was voted for by the UK which part ain't you getting. you talk as if Scotland is separate from the UK which again its not number spinning doesn't change the facts scotland voted to remain in the UK the UK voted to leave the EU its not rocket science We voted as the UK, but the fact that Scotland has such a different political opinion to England and Wales on such a massive issue is evidence to me that independence isn't a bad idea. I want the political decisions made in Scotland to be the ones which Scotland wants. That's not rocket science either and the majority decided they wanted their political decisions made by the UK not Scotland it will always come back to that.
we voted to be in the UK not an independant Scotland and certainly not in dependant if you were to rejoin the EU and be governed by those"We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question. | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want? The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. brexit was voted for by the UK which part ain't you getting. you talk as if Scotland is separate from the UK which again its not number spinning doesn't change the facts scotland voted to remain in the UK the UK voted to leave the EU its not rocket science We voted as the UK, but the fact that Scotland has such a different political opinion to England and Wales on such a massive issue is evidence to me that independence isn't a bad idea. I want the political decisions made in Scotland to be the ones which Scotland wants. That's not rocket science either and the majority decided they wanted their political decisions made by the UK not Scotland it will always come back to that.
we voted to be in the UK not an independant Scotland and certainly not in dependant if you were to rejoin the EU and be governed by those
We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question."no we voted to remain part of the UK and have democratic votes as the UK leavers try to spin it with all the but but but story's it doesn't change the fact the vote was remain the UK you can think as you please but a second reforendum right now would be opening Pandora box because any minority could then claim a but but but clause and hey ho a never ending cycle of just one more referendum | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want? The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. brexit was voted for by the UK which part ain't you getting. you talk as if Scotland is separate from the UK which again its not number spinning doesn't change the facts scotland voted to remain in the UK the UK voted to leave the EU its not rocket science We voted as the UK, but the fact that Scotland has such a different political opinion to England and Wales on such a massive issue is evidence to me that independence isn't a bad idea. I want the political decisions made in Scotland to be the ones which Scotland wants. That's not rocket science either and the majority decided they wanted their political decisions made by the UK not Scotland it will always come back to that.
we voted to be in the UK not an independant Scotland and certainly not in dependant if you were to rejoin the EU and be governed by those
We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question.no we voted to remain part of the UK and have democratic votes as the UK leavers try to spin it with all the but but but story's it doesn't change the fact the vote was remain the UK you can think as you please but a second reforendum right now would be opening Pandora box because any minority could then claim a but but but clause and hey ho a never ending cycle of just one more referendum"Clearly we disagree, but fortunately we have a mechanism to sort out these disputes. Second ref will be front and centre of next Scottish Parliamentary elections... if SNP get the votes then we're on for indy ref 2. | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want? The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. brexit was voted for by the UK which part ain't you getting. you talk as if Scotland is separate from the UK which again its not number spinning doesn't change the facts scotland voted to remain in the UK the UK voted to leave the EU its not rocket science We voted as the UK, but the fact that Scotland has such a different political opinion to England and Wales on such a massive issue is evidence to me that independence isn't a bad idea. I want the political decisions made in Scotland to be the ones which Scotland wants. That's not rocket science either and the majority decided they wanted their political decisions made by the UK not Scotland it will always come back to that.
we voted to be in the UK not an independant Scotland and certainly not in dependant if you were to rejoin the EU and be governed by those
We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question.no we voted to remain part of the UK and have democratic votes as the UK leavers try to spin it with all the but but but story's it doesn't change the fact the vote was remain the UK you can think as you please but a second reforendum right now would be opening Pandora box because any minority could then claim a but but but clause and hey ho a never ending cycle of just one more referendum
Clearly we disagree, but fortunately we have a mechanism to sort out these disputes. Second ref will be front and centre of next Scottish Parliamentary elections... if SNP get the votes then we're on for indy ref 2."Not without Westminster’s approval. | |||
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" We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question." I may be severely blinkered here but can you explain to me _ljam how the UK is to quote " radically different " . I still go to work, I still pay my taxes , I still pay my mortgage, I can still visit my gp and see a doctor for free . What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ? If your only answer is that we're no longer part of the EU then surely, so as to not make the same mistake as last time ie having an indy vote and then for things to " radically change" , the best course of action would be to wait maybe 5 years and see how being a non member of the EU pans out. Then we can have a proper informed vote on independence with a view to rejoin the EU at the earliest opportunity as opposed a quick vote and a hope for the best attitude. Perhaps Scotland will be in a super position in 5 years thx to brexit , who knows ? . Do you know Aljam, or are you just using Brexit as an excuse to ignore the last result until the next " radically different " excuse comes along. | |||
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" We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question. I may be severely blinkered here but can you explain to me _ljam how the UK is to quote " radically different " . I still go to work, I still pay my taxes , I still pay my mortgage, I can still visit my gp and see a doctor for free . What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ? If your only answer is that we're no longer part of the EU then surely, so as to not make the same mistake as last time ie having an indy vote and then for things to " radically change" , the best course of action would be to wait maybe 5 years and see how being a non member of the EU pans out. Then we can have a proper informed vote on independence with a view to rejoin the EU at the earliest opportunity as opposed a quick vote and a hope for the best attitude. Perhaps Scotland will be in a super position in 5 years thx to brexit , who knows ? . Do you know Aljam, or are you just using Brexit as an excuse to ignore the last result until the next " radically different " excuse comes along." If you can't see how big a political change brexit is, then there's no point wasting my time in telling you | |||
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" We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question. I may be severely blinkered here but can you explain to me _ljam how the UK is to quote " radically different " . I still go to work, I still pay my taxes , I still pay my mortgage, I can still visit my gp and see a doctor for free . What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ? If your only answer is that we're no longer part of the EU then surely, so as to not make the same mistake as last time ie having an indy vote and then for things to " radically change" , the best course of action would be to wait maybe 5 years and see how being a non member of the EU pans out. Then we can have a proper informed vote on independence with a view to rejoin the EU at the earliest opportunity as opposed a quick vote and a hope for the best attitude. Perhaps Scotland will be in a super position in 5 years thx to brexit , who knows ? . Do you know Aljam, or are you just using Brexit as an excuse to ignore the last result until the next " radically different " excuse comes along. If you can't see how big a political change brexit is, then there's no point wasting my time in telling you "Ahh right so nothings really changed for you thus far, that's all you need to say , no "radically difference " . Cool | |||
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"Just to give you something to reflect upon - Malta is a successful little country and a member of the EU. They managed to survive without the help of the English after independence. Do we as Scotland have such little faith in our country and resources that we can’t aspire to a level if independence like Malta. If that is the case then we deserve every hardship imposed upon us by English governments. " 'faith' is that the best you can come up with ?? The number not only don't add up, they are hundreds of miles out... I wish peopke of sound mind would see sense and change their allegiances away from English hating rhetoric based on a film ... This kind of stuff is WAY WAY more important than some emotional heart strings. It should be about common sense and economics, not national socialism. | |||
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" We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question. I may be severely blinkered here but can you explain to me _ljam how the UK is to quote " radically different " . I still go to work, I still pay my taxes , I still pay my mortgage, I can still visit my gp and see a doctor for free . What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ? If your only answer is that we're no longer part of the EU then surely, so as to not make the same mistake as last time ie having an indy vote and then for things to " radically change" , the best course of action would be to wait maybe 5 years and see how being a non member of the EU pans out. Then we can have a proper informed vote on independence with a view to rejoin the EU at the earliest opportunity as opposed a quick vote and a hope for the best attitude. Perhaps Scotland will be in a super position in 5 years thx to brexit , who knows ? . Do you know Aljam, or are you just using Brexit as an excuse to ignore the last result until the next " radically different " excuse comes along. If you can't see how big a political change brexit is, then there's no point wasting my time in telling you "What about others ? Maybe you can comment for them , what " radically difference" has affected others that could justify breaking away a country. ? | |||
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" We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question. I may be severely blinkered here but can you explain to me _ljam how the UK is to quote " radically different " . I still go to work, I still pay my taxes , I still pay my mortgage, I can still visit my gp and see a doctor for free . What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ? If your only answer is that we're no longer part of the EU then surely, so as to not make the same mistake as last time ie having an indy vote and then for things to " radically change" , the best course of action would be to wait maybe 5 years and see how being a non member of the EU pans out. Then we can have a proper informed vote on independence with a view to rejoin the EU at the earliest opportunity as opposed a quick vote and a hope for the best attitude. Perhaps Scotland will be in a super position in 5 years thx to brexit , who knows ? . Do you know Aljam, or are you just using Brexit as an excuse to ignore the last result until the next " radically different " excuse comes along. If you can't see how big a political change brexit is, then there's no point wasting my time in telling you
What about others ? Maybe you can comment for them , what " radically difference" has affected others that could justify breaking away a country. ?"Don't think the majority need it explained for them... but for any that do I'd say it again, if you can't see how radical a political change brexit is, then it's probably not worth trying to explain. It's mildly surprising that it even needs to be said... but then I've noticed some people rely on being tedious as a major forum debating tactic... boring other parties into submission. | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want? The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. brexit was voted for by the UK which part ain't you getting. you talk as if Scotland is separate from the UK which again its not number spinning doesn't change the facts scotland voted to remain in the UK the UK voted to leave the EU its not rocket science We voted as the UK, but the fact that Scotland has such a different political opinion to England and Wales on such a massive issue is evidence to me that independence isn't a bad idea. I want the political decisions made in Scotland to be the ones which Scotland wants. That's not rocket science either and the majority decided they wanted their political decisions made by the UK not Scotland it will always come back to that.
we voted to be in the UK not an independant Scotland and certainly not in dependant if you were to rejoin the EU and be governed by those
We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question.no we voted to remain part of the UK and have democratic votes as the UK leavers try to spin it with all the but but but story's it doesn't change the fact the vote was remain the UK you can think as you please but a second reforendum right now would be opening Pandora box because any minority could then claim a but but but clause and hey ho a never ending cycle of just one more referendum
Clearly we disagree, but fortunately we have a mechanism to sort out these disputes. Second ref will be front and centre of next Scottish Parliamentary elections... if SNP get the votes then we're on for indy ref 2."And if it happens it will be Pandora box as why bother having a first one lol so you can be ready for 3 4 5 6 7 ya get the point yet | |||
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"Just to give you something to reflect upon - Malta is a successful little country and a member of the EU. They managed to survive without the help of the English after independence. Do we as Scotland have such little faith in our country and resources that we can’t aspire to a level if independence like Malta. If that is the case then we deserve every hardship imposed upon us by English governments. 'faith' is that the best you can come up with ?? The number not only don't add up, they are hundreds of miles out... I wish peopke of sound mind would see sense and change their allegiances away from English hating rhetoric based on a film ... This kind of stuff is WAY WAY more important than some emotional heart strings. It should be about common sense and economics, not national socialism." What film are you referring to? My views are not anti English - I wish them no harm but also have no desire to be governed by them. Faith, belief, trust and confidence - I have all of these when it comes to believing in an independent Scotland. Scottish people making decisions for Scotland. A Scottish government that cares. I also believe that an independent Scottish political base would look very different to what we see now. | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want? The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. brexit was voted for by the UK which part ain't you getting. you talk as if Scotland is separate from the UK which again its not number spinning doesn't change the facts scotland voted to remain in the UK the UK voted to leave the EU its not rocket science We voted as the UK, but the fact that Scotland has such a different political opinion to England and Wales on such a massive issue is evidence to me that independence isn't a bad idea. I want the political decisions made in Scotland to be the ones which Scotland wants. That's not rocket science either and the majority decided they wanted their political decisions made by the UK not Scotland it will always come back to that.
we voted to be in the UK not an independant Scotland and certainly not in dependant if you were to rejoin the EU and be governed by those
We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question.no we voted to remain part of the UK and have democratic votes as the UK leavers try to spin it with all the but but but story's it doesn't change the fact the vote was remain the UK you can think as you please but a second reforendum right now would be opening Pandora box because any minority could then claim a but but but clause and hey ho a never ending cycle of just one more referendum
Clearly we disagree, but fortunately we have a mechanism to sort out these disputes. Second ref will be front and centre of next Scottish Parliamentary elections... if SNP get the votes then we're on for indy ref 2.And if it happens it will be Pandora box as why bother having a first one lol so you can be ready for 3 4 5 6 7 ya get the point yet"If that’s how you feel why bother having any elections - let’s just stick with SNP in Scotland and Torys in Westminster. No need to vote every 4 years as we will just end up changing our minds again. | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want? The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. brexit was voted for by the UK which part ain't you getting. you talk as if Scotland is separate from the UK which again its not number spinning doesn't change the facts scotland voted to remain in the UK the UK voted to leave the EU its not rocket science We voted as the UK, but the fact that Scotland has such a different political opinion to England and Wales on such a massive issue is evidence to me that independence isn't a bad idea. I want the political decisions made in Scotland to be the ones which Scotland wants. That's not rocket science either and the majority decided they wanted their political decisions made by the UK not Scotland it will always come back to that.
we voted to be in the UK not an independant Scotland and certainly not in dependant if you were to rejoin the EU and be governed by those
We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question.no we voted to remain part of the UK and have democratic votes as the UK leavers try to spin it with all the but but but story's it doesn't change the fact the vote was remain the UK you can think as you please but a second reforendum right now would be opening Pandora box because any minority could then claim a but but but clause and hey ho a never ending cycle of just one more referendum
Clearly we disagree, but fortunately we have a mechanism to sort out these disputes. Second ref will be front and centre of next Scottish Parliamentary elections... if SNP get the votes then we're on for indy ref 2.And if it happens it will be Pandora box as why bother having a first one lol so you can be ready for 3 4 5 6 7 ya get the point yet
If that’s how you feel why bother having any elections - let’s just stick with SNP in Scotland and Torys in Westminster. No need to vote every 4 years as we will just end up changing our minds again. "how often you want an indie ref till the first time it's agreed to then no more as you got what You wanted it's only 6 yrs since the last one...... Once in a generation holy christ a bugs generation were you thinking | |||
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"Spain won’t allow it " This in a nutshell is the reason why we won't be back in the EU as an independent nation if that ever happened.And considering the rest of the UK is our biggest trading partner,why on earth would you want to be part of something that is crumbling under its own delusions? The hilarity that we can afford to be independent when oil is being phased out as a fuel source and even then has to be at around $140 a barrell for it to be sufficient as an income, we couldn't afford the furlough scheme as an independent which has kept so many afloat,bye bye to "free" prescriptions,bus passes and uni places. Such a bad idea to be independent its unreal but Sturgeon is blinkered in this regard. Drug deaths highest in the world and doubled since 2014 all under her watch. Ironic seeing as less than half the country want the SNP yet they say they speak for all of Scotland. | |||
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"Spain won’t allow it This in a nutshell is the reason why we won't be back in the EU as an independent nation if that ever happened.And considering the rest of the UK is our biggest trading partner,why on earth would you want to be part of something that is crumbling under its own delusions? The hilarity that we can afford to be independent when oil is being phased out as a fuel source and even then has to be at around $140 a barrell for it to be sufficient as an income, we couldn't afford the furlough scheme as an independent which has kept so many afloat,bye bye to "free" prescriptions,bus passes and uni places. Such a bad idea to be independent its unreal but Sturgeon is blinkered in this regard. Drug deaths highest in the world and doubled since 2014 all under her watch. Ironic seeing as less than half the country want the SNP yet they say they speak for all of Scotland." There are many, many successful nations the same size as Scotland, and without our natural resources. I love my country, and I believe that if we choose to be independent then we could make a success of it. It's a shame so many people even in Scotland talk us down. It's like we've internalised the "benefit scrounger" abuse which has been unfairly levelled at us for years. | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want? The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. brexit was voted for by the UK which part ain't you getting. you talk as if Scotland is separate from the UK which again its not number spinning doesn't change the facts scotland voted to remain in the UK the UK voted to leave the EU its not rocket science We voted as the UK, but the fact that Scotland has such a different political opinion to England and Wales on such a massive issue is evidence to me that independence isn't a bad idea. I want the political decisions made in Scotland to be the ones which Scotland wants. That's not rocket science either and the majority decided they wanted their political decisions made by the UK not Scotland it will always come back to that.
we voted to be in the UK not an independant Scotland and certainly not in dependant if you were to rejoin the EU and be governed by those
We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question.no we voted to remain part of the UK and have democratic votes as the UK leavers try to spin it with all the but but but story's it doesn't change the fact the vote was remain the UK you can think as you please but a second reforendum right now would be opening Pandora box because any minority could then claim a but but but clause and hey ho a never ending cycle of just one more referendum
Clearly we disagree, but fortunately we have a mechanism to sort out these disputes. Second ref will be front and centre of next Scottish Parliamentary elections... if SNP get the votes then we're on for indy ref 2.And if it happens it will be Pandora box as why bother having a first one lol so you can be ready for 3 4 5 6 7 ya get the point yet
If that’s how you feel why bother having any elections - let’s just stick with SNP in Scotland and Torys in Westminster. No need to vote every 4 years as we will just end up changing our minds again. how often you want an indie ref till the first time it's agreed to then no more as you got what You wanted it's only 6 yrs since the last one...... Once in a generation holy christ a bugs generation were you thinking"Is that all you’ve got - a once in a generation argument. It won’t hold back the tide of change. New young voters have arrived in the thousands since the Scottish referendum. They consider their generation was cheated, betrayed and failed by you and me. What do you say to them. The new generation that has to live in this time in Scotland | |||
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"It is a laughable debate, and somewhat idiotic to contemplate independance wnen the first thing you need is money or a means of generating it. And you’ll need a lot of it. So, if anyone can show a sizeable company wholly owned by Scots, working in Scotland at present that is making profits, employs 1000’s and is an exporter to even England , tell me. Btw, my stance on independence is that I’m in favour - but not at present. You need an industry to generate funds, you need support industries to supply them, you need employees to pay taxes to support well fare, services and a huge amount of peripherals that we sometimes take for granted. So name a Scottish company owned by a Scot in Scotland that even employs 100 or more people. To help you, Baxter’s foods, Thomas Tunnock, .... Now do it with a 1000+......" You've just made the best argument ever why Scotland needs to leaves the shrinking uk. | |||
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" We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question. I may be severely blinkered here but can you explain to me _ljam how the UK is to quote " radically different " . I still go to work, I still pay my taxes , I still pay my mortgage, I can still visit my gp and see a doctor for free . What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ? If your only answer is that we're no longer part of the EU then surely, so as to not make the same mistake as last time ie having an indy vote and then for things to " radically change" , the best course of action would be to wait maybe 5 years and see how being a non member of the EU pans out. Then we can have a proper informed vote on independence with a view to rejoin the EU at the earliest opportunity as opposed a quick vote and a hope for the best attitude. Perhaps Scotland will be in a super position in 5 years thx to brexit , who knows ? . Do you know Aljam, or are you just using Brexit as an excuse to ignore the last result until the next " radically different " excuse comes along. If you can't see how big a political change brexit is, then there's no point wasting my time in telling you
What about others ? Maybe you can comment for them , what " radically difference" has affected others that could justify breaking away a country. ?
Don't think the majority need it explained for them... but for any that do I'd say it again, if you can't see how radical a political change brexit is, then it's probably not worth trying to explain.
It's mildly surprising that it even needs to be said... but then I've noticed some people rely on being tedious as a major forum debating tactic... boring other parties into submission. "You can bluster and stamp your feet all day long , you can shout about being tedious as a debating tactic but to be honest you've still not actually answered my very simple question. In case you forgot I will remind you. What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ? Don't deflect the question this time simply answer whats changed that justifies Scotland breaking away right now ? | |||
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"Just to give you something to reflect upon - Malta is a successful little country and a member of the EU. They managed to survive without the help of the English after independence. Do we as Scotland have such little faith in our country and resources that we can’t aspire to a level if independence like Malta. If that is the case then we deserve every hardship imposed upon us by English governments. 'faith' is that the best you can come up with ?? The number not only don't add up, they are hundreds of miles out... I wish peopke of sound mind would see sense and change their allegiances away from English hating rhetoric based on a film ... This kind of stuff is WAY WAY more important than some emotional heart strings. It should be about common sense and economics, not national socialism." Its really not you know... more important that is. Socialism is what lies at the very heart of the independence debate. Political sentiment in Scotland has not changed a great deal in the last 40 years. Labours collapse as they have moved away from those political ideals is stark evidence of that. Moreover, I would not support independence if it were Tory-led. Over 70% of seats in the Scottish government are held by parties of the left. Economic policy follows on necessarily from political will - and while we have the political will to make progressive socialist reforms, we do not have the powers as an independent nation to properly implement the changes we wish to see. Powers to borrow. Powers to enter into economic alliances on our own terms. You can disagree with the tenets of Socialism as you like, but I think its clear that in Scotland at least, that argument has been democratically settled for quite some time. Now all that is required is for us to take up our responsibilities and see our political will enacted. | |||
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" We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question. I may be severely blinkered here but can you explain to me _ljam how the UK is to quote " radically different " . I still go to work, I still pay my taxes , I still pay my mortgage, I can still visit my gp and see a doctor for free . What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ? If your only answer is that we're no longer part of the EU then surely, so as to not make the same mistake as last time ie having an indy vote and then for things to " radically change" , the best course of action would be to wait maybe 5 years and see how being a non member of the EU pans out. Then we can have a proper informed vote on independence with a view to rejoin the EU at the earliest opportunity as opposed a quick vote and a hope for the best attitude. Perhaps Scotland will be in a super position in 5 years thx to brexit , who knows ? . Do you know Aljam, or are you just using Brexit as an excuse to ignore the last result until the next " radically different " excuse comes along. If you can't see how big a political change brexit is, then there's no point wasting my time in telling you
What about others ? Maybe you can comment for them , what " radically difference" has affected others that could justify breaking away a country. ?
Don't think the majority need it explained for them... but for any that do I'd say it again, if you can't see how radical a political change brexit is, then it's probably not worth trying to explain.
It's mildly surprising that it even needs to be said... but then I've noticed some people rely on being tedious as a major forum debating tactic... boring other parties into submission.
You can bluster and stamp your feet all day long , you can shout about being tedious as a debating tactic but to be honest you've still not actually answered my very simple question. In case you forgot I will remind you.
What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ?
Don't deflect the question this time simply answer whats changed that justifies Scotland breaking away right now ?"Bluster and foot stamping!
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"Assuming that Scotland are granted right to hold a second independent referendum and the majority voted yes as polls currently indicate - would an independent Scotland then need to call for a referendum to establish whether an application to rejoin EU should be made? Your point fails when you say independent then application to rejoin. "No, your failure to understand the difference between the 2 unions is where you fail. We are not in a union with england we are ruled by them. | |||
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" We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question. I may be severely blinkered here but can you explain to me _ljam how the UK is to quote " radically different " . I still go to work, I still pay my taxes , I still pay my mortgage, I can still visit my gp and see a doctor for free . What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ? If your only answer is that we're no longer part of the EU then surely, so as to not make the same mistake as last time ie having an indy vote and then for things to " radically change" , the best course of action would be to wait maybe 5 years and see how being a non member of the EU pans out. Then we can have a proper informed vote on independence with a view to rejoin the EU at the earliest opportunity as opposed a quick vote and a hope for the best attitude. Perhaps Scotland will be in a super position in 5 years thx to brexit , who knows ? . Do you know Aljam, or are you just using Brexit as an excuse to ignore the last result until the next " radically different " excuse comes along. If you can't see how big a political change brexit is, then there's no point wasting my time in telling you
What about others ? Maybe you can comment for them , what " radically difference" has affected others that could justify breaking away a country. ?
Don't think the majority need it explained for them... but for any that do I'd say it again, if you can't see how radical a political change brexit is, then it's probably not worth trying to explain.
It's mildly surprising that it even needs to be said... but then I've noticed some people rely on being tedious as a major forum debating tactic... boring other parties into submission.
You can bluster and stamp your feet all day long , you can shout about being tedious as a debating tactic but to be honest you've still not actually answered my very simple question. In case you forgot I will remind you.
What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ?
Don't deflect the question this time simply answer whats changed that justifies Scotland breaking away right now ?
Bluster and foot stamping!
I refer you to my previous posts. I daresay you'll have the last word on this because I can't really be bothered taking on the tedium. Enjoy it, for all the nothing it's worth "if only it was that simple some folk feel the need to send pms rather than accept their view is not everyone's view | |||
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" We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question. I may be severely blinkered here but can you explain to me _ljam how the UK is to quote " radically different " . I still go to work, I still pay my taxes , I still pay my mortgage, I can still visit my gp and see a doctor for free . What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ? If your only answer is that we're no longer part of the EU then surely, so as to not make the same mistake as last time ie having an indy vote and then for things to " radically change" , the best course of action would be to wait maybe 5 years and see how being a non member of the EU pans out. Then we can have a proper informed vote on independence with a view to rejoin the EU at the earliest opportunity as opposed a quick vote and a hope for the best attitude. Perhaps Scotland will be in a super position in 5 years thx to brexit , who knows ? . Do you know Aljam, or are you just using Brexit as an excuse to ignore the last result until the next " radically different " excuse comes along. If you can't see how big a political change brexit is, then there's no point wasting my time in telling you
What about others ? Maybe you can comment for them , what " radically difference" has affected others that could justify breaking away a country. ?
Don't think the majority need it explained for them... but for any that do I'd say it again, if you can't see how radical a political change brexit is, then it's probably not worth trying to explain.
It's mildly surprising that it even needs to be said... but then I've noticed some people rely on being tedious as a major forum debating tactic... boring other parties into submission.
You can bluster and stamp your feet all day long , you can shout about being tedious as a debating tactic but to be honest you've still not actually answered my very simple question. In case you forgot I will remind you.
What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ?
Don't deflect the question this time simply answer whats changed that justifies Scotland breaking away right now ?
Bluster and foot stamping!
I refer you to my previous posts. I daresay you'll have the last word on this because I can't really be bothered taking on the tedium. Enjoy it, for all the nothing it's worth if only it was that simple some folk feel the need to send pms rather than accept their view is not everyone's view "Not sure why you're answering me with that... in general though, if you don't want PMs from someone then delete and block 'em | |||
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" We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question. I may be severely blinkered here but can you explain to me _ljam how the UK is to quote " radically different " . I still go to work, I still pay my taxes , I still pay my mortgage, I can still visit my gp and see a doctor for free . What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ? If your only answer is that we're no longer part of the EU then surely, so as to not make the same mistake as last time ie having an indy vote and then for things to " radically change" , the best course of action would be to wait maybe 5 years and see how being a non member of the EU pans out. Then we can have a proper informed vote on independence with a view to rejoin the EU at the earliest opportunity as opposed a quick vote and a hope for the best attitude. Perhaps Scotland will be in a super position in 5 years thx to brexit , who knows ? . Do you know Aljam, or are you just using Brexit as an excuse to ignore the last result until the next " radically different " excuse comes along. If you can't see how big a political change brexit is, then there's no point wasting my time in telling you
What about others ? Maybe you can comment for them , what " radically difference" has affected others that could justify breaking away a country. ?
Don't think the majority need it explained for them... but for any that do I'd say it again, if you can't see how radical a political change brexit is, then it's probably not worth trying to explain.
It's mildly surprising that it even needs to be said... but then I've noticed some people rely on being tedious as a major forum debating tactic... boring other parties into submission.
You can bluster and stamp your feet all day long , you can shout about being tedious as a debating tactic but to be honest you've still not actually answered my very simple question. In case you forgot I will remind you.
What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ?
Don't deflect the question this time simply answer whats changed that justifies Scotland breaking away right now ?
Bluster and foot stamping!
I refer you to my previous posts. I daresay you'll have the last word on this because I can't really be bothered taking on the tedium. Enjoy it, for all the nothing it's worth "Refer me to any post you like bud , but your still not answering my simple question. Thats what the SNP are good at too. Avoiding the simplest of questions so don't feel like your out of place. | |||
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"The EU would reject them as a piss poor drain on their resources" So we are a drain? Need subsidised? After 300+ years of the union we are a drain? So what does that say about the so called union? The problem is any resource we have is filtered down south. Dont believe me? Even north of england would agree with that. You cant suggest we are too poor when we dont even control our finances. EVERYTHING we raise in terms of finance is sent to westminster before SOME of it comes back. | |||
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"I hour we never have to go through another referendum. It was one of the most divisive things our country gone through in my lifetime. It's not worth tearing Scotland apart to get what the (at the last count) minority of people want. Countless polls in a row from various outlets have put indy at anything from 52-59% in favour. Some things are worth it. A few arguements and fallouts is a lot less than some of the baltic states had to go through to achieve their independence. It's hearts v minds and that's never a good arguement to have. " | |||
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"If Scotland wishes to be an independent country, so be it; but be an independent country. Joining the EU would relinquish any notion of sovereignty you'd think you have. I lived in Scotland for a couple of years and have deep affection for it and its people. I also witnessed some of the benefits that came with increased government spending such as free university tuition and free medical prescriptions. The fact Scotland has remained in the union allowed it rack up consistent budget deficits over the years that vary from 5-10%. The SNP is intellectually dishonest and fooling the public if they omit what would happen were the EU to accept their membership with public finances in such a state - crippling austerity measures would be imposed to meet the 3% budget rule, meaning the end of all of these benefits Scots enjoy. The government's budget would also be scrutinised and subject to approval or rejection by the European commission. Crossing the border would become a mess as the EU border would now be within the previous "British" mainland. Not to mention how trade, commerce and tourism might be affected. The EU could also impose its will and force Scotland to accept a "quota" of refugees which would be a further drain on resources. Is this what people really want? The sovereignty criticism is a total joke. Take the brexit vote for example... was the sovereignty of the Scottish vote taken into consideration? Nope. As a nation we didn't want it, but have been forced to accept a hard variation of it. In the EU we'd have a voice at the table. Sure it'd be a minor one, but we'd still be able to decide what kind of country we wanted to be. Our economy would have to change... it wouldn't be easy in the short term but to suggest Scotland couldn't thrive as an independent country is to talk us down as a nation. The mention of taking refugees is always a bit of a red flag... suggesting that taking in a relatively small number of people who have been rendered destitute by war and disaster is some sort of thing to fear is a pretty low grade criticism suggesting a lack of empathy. brexit was voted for by the UK which part ain't you getting. you talk as if Scotland is separate from the UK which again its not number spinning doesn't change the facts scotland voted to remain in the UK the UK voted to leave the EU its not rocket science We voted as the UK, but the fact that Scotland has such a different political opinion to England and Wales on such a massive issue is evidence to me that independence isn't a bad idea. I want the political decisions made in Scotland to be the ones which Scotland wants. That's not rocket science either "And do you want bankruptcy...that isn't rocket science either....and that what you would be heading for with independence. Economic forecasts were based on oil, and look what's happened the the price of that. We would resemble Venezuela now if independent had gone ahead. | |||
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"I really wish that everybody, including SNP ministers, would refrain from the continual talking about an INDEPENDENT Scotland being in the EU. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a country to be independent in the EU. Independence is an anathema to the EU cause. At least with Westminster you have a chance to kick out the government, with the unelected, bureaucratic EU commission you have no chance. And anyone who disagrees with this is being led like a lamb by the nonsense that is spewed out by the SNP. Prove me wrong! " urmmm... the EC is like... the executive branch. You don't vote for the executive in the UK either. I suspect there would be far less permanent secretaries with titles if it were. | |||
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"Assuming that Scotland are granted right to hold a second independent referendum and the majority voted yes as polls currently indicate - would an independent Scotland then need to call for a referendum to establish whether an application to rejoin EU should be made?" Scotland as a country was not a member of the EU therfore it is not possible to rejoin something you were not a member off. An independent scotland would have to meet sll the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these" It would lose it's independence for a start!! | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!! "By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved. | |||
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"Might be wiser seen how things shake out before rushing into something maybe been out out off the eu might be better nether side off theses arguments realy know " I completely agree. No one knows how this will pan out. It could be the greatest or worst thing to happen. I object to the way Sturgeon and her crew immediately jumped on the bandwagon to condemn the agreement and that was even before it had even been published. I had to laugh when the Speaker in the Commons told Blackford to sit down and let the PM speak first before objecting to what he was about to say. | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
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"Might be wiser seen how things shake out before rushing into something maybe been out out off the eu might be better nether side off theses arguments realy know I completely agree. No one knows how this will pan out. It could be the greatest or worst thing to happen. I object to the way Sturgeon and her crew immediately jumped on the bandwagon to condemn the agreement and that was even before it had even been published. I had to laugh when the Speaker in the Commons told Blackford to sit down and let the PM speak first before objecting to what he was about to say. " Blackford is a complete and utter eejit, who fails to see the stupidity in going on about an "independent Scotland in the EU". It's impossible to be independent in the EU. | |||
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"The sooner were out this Westminster union the better. I have more in common with my European friends than I will ever have with Johnson, Gove and Handjob." Ha ha ha, deluded!! | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
By consent? Independence is impossible in the EU, end of!!"Indeed - by consent. Meaning that if we join and find we don't like the way the EU is conducting business we can leave again. Britain proved this is possible - like... just 3 days ago. You might have heard a whisper about it on the news. | |||
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"Might be wiser seen how things shake out before rushing into something maybe been out out off the eu might be better nether side off theses arguments realy know I completely agree. No one knows how this will pan out. It could be the greatest or worst thing to happen. I object to the way Sturgeon and her crew immediately jumped on the bandwagon to condemn the agreement and that was even before it had even been published. I had to laugh when the Speaker in the Commons told Blackford to sit down and let the PM speak first before objecting to what he was about to say. Blackford is a complete and utter eejit, who fails to see the stupidity in going on about an "independent Scotland in the EU". It's impossible to be independent in the EU." So are france, germany spain etc not independent countries? | |||
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"On the 1st off January tampon tax was removed as the EU put it on and probably other things we never had tax on. There has been protests about the tampon tax woman have been asking for years to get it removed now wee Jimmy krankie is going to take us back into the madness of the EU that puts independence at a watered down version as someone in Brussels tells us what we have to do " Is that the same products as the Scottish government have made free at the point of use in public buildings in scotland?  | |||
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"On the 1st off January tampon tax was removed as the EU put it on and probably other things we never had tax on. There has been protests about the tampon tax woman have been asking for years to get it removed now wee Jimmy krankie is going to take us back into the madness of the EU that puts independence at a watered down version as someone in Brussels tells us what we have to do Is that the same products as the Scottish government have made free at the point of use in public buildings in scotland? "...and the tax they explicitly opposed in their 2015 manifesto? | |||
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"If you lot want independence the best thing for you to do is to get England to vote on it. They will definitely vote you out of the UK. Everyone outside of Scotland is bored with all your bleating and moaning and fed up of paying taxes to support you. It's about time the SNP started focusing on running Scotland for all it's working people and making their lives better rather than using the same old 'blame England for all the problems' nonsense. " | |||
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"If you lot want independence the best thing for you to do is to get England to vote on it. They will definitely vote you out of the UK. Everyone outside of Scotland is bored with all your bleating and moaning and fed up of paying taxes to support you. It's about time the SNP started focusing on running Scotland for all it's working people and making their lives better rather than using the same old 'blame England for all the problems' nonsense. " cool idea. off you go and organise that then... we'll wait... | |||
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"Might be wiser seen how things shake out before rushing into something maybe been out out off the eu might be better nether side off theses arguments realy know I completely agree. No one knows how this will pan out. It could be the greatest or worst thing to happen. I object to the way Sturgeon and her crew immediately jumped on the bandwagon to condemn the agreement and that was even before it had even been published. I had to laugh when the Speaker in the Commons told Blackford to sit down and let the PM speak first before objecting to what he was about to say. Blackford is a complete and utter eejit, who fails to see the stupidity in going on about an "independent Scotland in the EU". It's impossible to be independent in the EU. So are france, germany spain etc not independent countries?" No, everything is controlled by the EU, and will be more so as time goes by. | |||
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"Might be wiser seen how things shake out before rushing into something maybe been out out off the eu might be better nether side off theses arguments realy know I completely agree. No one knows how this will pan out. It could be the greatest or worst thing to happen. I object to the way Sturgeon and her crew immediately jumped on the bandwagon to condemn the agreement and that was even before it had even been published. I had to laugh when the Speaker in the Commons told Blackford to sit down and let the PM speak first before objecting to what he was about to say. Blackford is a complete and utter eejit, who fails to see the stupidity in going on about an "independent Scotland in the EU". It's impossible to be independent in the EU. So are france, germany spain etc not independent countries? No, everything is controlled by the EU, and will be more so as time goes by." Wow. | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
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"If you lot want independence the best thing for you to do is to get England to vote on it. They will definitely vote you out of the UK. Everyone outside of Scotland is bored with all your bleating and moaning and fed up of paying taxes to support you. It's about time the SNP started focusing on running Scotland for all it's working people and making their lives better rather than using the same old 'blame England for all the problems' nonsense. cool idea. off you go and organise that then... we'll wait..." Yep, that's about right. Get some English guy to organise it for you, while you sit there doing nothing and wait. Still I suppose we English have only ourselves to blame. Spoilt you rotten for 300 years and now you can't do anything for yourselves. | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
withdrawn at will have you been around the past few years lol"Exactly, but there is evidence that suggests considerable unrest bubbling just under the EU surface. So over the next few years, while the SNP might want to join, there's the possibility of a number of countries following in the footsteps of the UK. Can all these countries be in the wrong, and the SNP in the right??? | |||
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"If you lot want independence the best thing for you to do is to get England to vote on it. They will definitely vote you out of the UK. Everyone outside of Scotland is bored with all your bleating and moaning and fed up of paying taxes to support you. It's about time the SNP started focusing on running Scotland for all it's working people and making their lives better rather than using the same old 'blame England for all the problems' nonsense. cool idea. off you go and organise that then... we'll wait... Yep, that's about right. Get some English guy to organise it for you, while you sit there doing nothing and wait. Still I suppose we English have only ourselves to blame. Spoilt you rotten for 300 years and now you can't do anything for yourselves. " wow you really have some nerve spoilt us rotten what by systematically shutting Scotland down and centralising everything around the capital Views like this are a major part of the problem you speak as though we are beneath you and we are your playthings instead of equals this from a remain voter by the way disgusting post. I think you would be surprised if England did vote on it a lot of the North of England hold the same view as Scots. | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
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" We voted to remain part of a UK which was part of the EU. Only the severely blinkered would deny that the UK Scotland voted to remain part of is not now radically different. I think it's different enough to justify a second vote, and let's see how it turns out. I'm not convinced a yes vote would win, but I see no problem asking the question. I may be severely blinkered here but can you explain to me _ljam how the UK is to quote " radically different " . I still go to work, I still pay my taxes , I still pay my mortgage, I can still visit my gp and see a doctor for free . What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ? If your only answer is that we're no longer part of the EU then surely, so as to not make the same mistake as last time ie having an indy vote and then for things to " radically change" , the best course of action would be to wait maybe 5 years and see how being a non member of the EU pans out. Then we can have a proper informed vote on independence with a view to rejoin the EU at the earliest opportunity as opposed a quick vote and a hope for the best attitude. Perhaps Scotland will be in a super position in 5 years thx to brexit , who knows ? . Do you know Aljam, or are you just using Brexit as an excuse to ignore the last result until the next " radically different " excuse comes along. If you can't see how big a political change brexit is, then there's no point wasting my time in telling you
What about others ? Maybe you can comment for them , what " radically difference" has affected others that could justify breaking away a country. ?
Don't think the majority need it explained for them... but for any that do I'd say it again, if you can't see how radical a political change brexit is, then it's probably not worth trying to explain.
It's mildly surprising that it even needs to be said... but then I've noticed some people rely on being tedious as a major forum debating tactic... boring other parties into submission.
You can bluster and stamp your feet all day long , you can shout about being tedious as a debating tactic but to be honest you've still not actually answered my very simple question. In case you forgot I will remind you.
What is radically different about the UK NOW ? Whats changed for you Aljam. ?
Don't deflect the question this time simply answer whats changed that justifies Scotland breaking away right now ?"It may have slipped past you but we are no longer in Europe. No freedom of movement, no mega market access ( the deal is poor) and when you are on the outside of the club/clique you will get picked off. America is looking at our health care like a stinking vulture, the Chinese can see we are week and circle like hyenas, Russia is smiling because we have weakens the European bastion. So an awful lot has changed. | |||
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"If you lot want independence the best thing for you to do is to get England to vote on it. They will definitely vote you out of the UK. Everyone outside of Scotland is bored with all your bleating and moaning and fed up of paying taxes to support you. It's about time the SNP started focusing on running Scotland for all it's working people and making their lives better rather than using the same old 'blame England for all the problems' nonsense. cool idea. off you go and organise that then... we'll wait... Yep, that's about right. Get some English guy to organise it for you, while you sit there doing nothing and wait. Still I suppose we English have only ourselves to blame. Spoilt you rotten for 300 years and now you can't do anything for yourselves. wow you really have some nerve spoilt us rotten what by systematically shutting Scotland down and centralising everything around the capital Views like this are a major part of the problem you speak as though we are beneath you and we are your playthings instead of equals this from a remain voter by the way disgusting post. I think you would be surprised if England did vote on it a lot of the North of England hold the same view as Scots. " Sorry if I upset you Koala Cubes, I hope you don't Bear a grudge. I know the weather is a little Grizzly up there in Scotland but us English can't Panda to you all the time. | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
withdrawn at will have you been around the past few years lol
Exactly, but there is evidence that suggests considerable unrest bubbling just under the EU surface.
So over the next few years, while the SNP might want to join, there's the possibility of a number of countries following in the footsteps of the UK.
Can all these countries be in the wrong, and the SNP in the right??? "There is zero evidence for that yes there will always be a few squabbles but u would have to be mental to leave the EU single market its too lucrative to leave....opps. | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
withdrawn at will have you been around the past few years lol
Exactly, but there is evidence that suggests considerable unrest bubbling just under the EU surface.
So over the next few years, while the SNP might want to join, there's the possibility of a number of countries following in the footsteps of the UK.
Can all these countries be in the wrong, and the SNP in the right???
There is zero evidence for that yes there will always be a few squabbles but u would have to be mental to leave the EU single market its too lucrative to leave....opps. "Rubbish, you really don't know!! | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
withdrawn at will have you been around the past few years lol
Exactly, but there is evidence that suggests considerable unrest bubbling just under the EU surface.
So over the next few years, while the SNP might want to join, there's the possibility of a number of countries following in the footsteps of the UK.
Can all these countries be in the wrong, and the SNP in the right???
There is zero evidence for that yes there will always be a few squabbles but u would have to be mental to leave the EU single market its too lucrative to leave....opps.
Rubbish, you really don't know!!"Perhaps a little research genius ? Since the brexit fiasco polls in most european countries have shown a rise in support for membership. U can check for yourself. | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
withdrawn at will have you been around the past few years lol
Exactly, but there is evidence that suggests considerable unrest bubbling just under the EU surface.
So over the next few years, while the SNP might want to join, there's the possibility of a number of countries following in the footsteps of the UK.
Can all these countries be in the wrong, and the SNP in the right???
There is zero evidence for that yes there will always be a few squabbles but u would have to be mental to leave the EU single market its too lucrative to leave....opps.
Rubbish, you really don't know!!
Perhaps a little research genius ? Since the brexit fiasco polls in most european countries have shown a rise in support for membership. U can check for yourself. "you may want to check yourself frexit is gaining huge momentum with macron still pushing the global agenda italy are probably the closest to leaving support is growing ever since the EU threw them under the bus swexit also gaining momentum with polls showing around the same percentages the Great European dream is beginning to fold the UK leaving is probably the catalyst that will start the explosion. So many country's with different needs simply can't work its amazing its been put up with for so long but then they tie country's govt down with beurocratic nonsense. | |||
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" It may have slipped past you but we are no longer in Europe. No freedom of movement, no mega market access ( the deal is poor) and when you are on the outside of the club/clique you will get picked off. America is looking at our health care like a stinking vulture, the Chinese can see we are week and circle like hyenas, Russia is smiling because we have weakens the European bastion. So an awful lot has changed. " Lmao, let's break this post down a bit. It hasn't slipped past me I heard a rumour we're no longer in the EU No freedom of movement: I'm pretty sure I can still travel anywhere in the world subject to covid rules. I'm pretty sure England is our biggest trade ally, so wouldn't really call the EU a mega market plus I can still trade with EU countries just a bit more paperwork. America is looking at our NHS ? OK let's leave the UK and split up the NHS ,now that makes tons of sense. Lets divide the very product the Yanks apparently want .lol China can see we are week, let's split up our union to make us more secure . Lol Russia is smiling: na not buying that , Russians never smile . You ever seen them on holiday 
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
withdrawn at will have you been around the past few years lol
Exactly, but there is evidence that suggests considerable unrest bubbling just under the EU surface.
So over the next few years, while the SNP might want to join, there's the possibility of a number of countries following in the footsteps of the UK.
Can all these countries be in the wrong, and the SNP in the right???
There is zero evidence for that yes there will always be a few squabbles but u would have to be mental to leave the EU single market its too lucrative to leave....opps.
Rubbish, you really don't know!!
Perhaps a little research genius ? Since the brexit fiasco polls in most european countries have shown a rise in support for membership. U can check for yourself. you may want to check yourself frexit is gaining huge momentum with macron still pushing the global agenda italy are probably the closest to leaving support is growing ever since the EU threw them under the bus swexit also gaining momentum with polls showing around the same percentages the Great European dream is beginning to fold the UK leaving is probably the catalyst that will start the explosion.
So many country's with different needs simply can't work its amazing its been put up with for so long but then they tie country's govt down with beurocratic nonsense. "So much horseshit, the EU expecting 4%growth this year the uk may be negative or slightly above, a 900m stimulus about to be rolled out across europe and the uk with record numbers of food banks. Scotland need a referendum. | |||
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"The Brexit vote asked should uk remain in EU which is a different question to should an independent Scotland seek to rejoin" Scotland as an independent country did not exist at the time the United Kingdom left so therefore can not rejoin the eu and would have to apply to join as a new country and meet all the requirements and adopt all the new joiners requirements and would have no entitlement to any of the United Kingdoms old arrangements. Like wise now the uk has left we can not just rejoin the eu even if the political will was there. The uk would have to apply to join just like any other country and adopt the euro and everything else that goes with joining the eu | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
withdrawn at will have you been around the past few years lol
Exactly, but there is evidence that suggests considerable unrest bubbling just under the EU surface.
So over the next few years, while the SNP might want to join, there's the possibility of a number of countries following in the footsteps of the UK.
Can all these countries be in the wrong, and the SNP in the right???
There is zero evidence for that yes there will always be a few squabbles but u would have to be mental to leave the EU single market its too lucrative to leave....opps.
Rubbish, you really don't know!!
Perhaps a little research genius ? Since the brexit fiasco polls in most european countries have shown a rise in support for membership. U can check for yourself. you may want to check yourself frexit is gaining huge momentum with macron still pushing the global agenda italy are probably the closest to leaving support is growing ever since the EU threw them under the bus swexit also gaining momentum with polls showing around the same percentages the Great European dream is beginning to fold the UK leaving is probably the catalyst that will start the explosion.
So many country's with different needs simply can't work its amazing its been put up with for so long but then they tie country's govt down with beurocratic nonsense.
So much horseshit, the EU expecting 4%growth this year the uk may be negative or slightly above, a 900m stimulus about to be rolled out across europe and the uk with record numbers of food banks. Scotland need a referendum. "Ha ha ha, nonsense!! | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
withdrawn at will have you been around the past few years lol
Exactly, but there is evidence that suggests considerable unrest bubbling just under the EU surface.
So over the next few years, while the SNP might want to join, there's the possibility of a number of countries following in the footsteps of the UK.
Can all these countries be in the wrong, and the SNP in the right???
There is zero evidence for that yes there will always be a few squabbles but u would have to be mental to leave the EU single market its too lucrative to leave....opps.
Rubbish, you really don't know!!
Perhaps a little research genius ? Since the brexit fiasco polls in most european countries have shown a rise in support for membership. U can check for yourself. you may want to check yourself frexit is gaining huge momentum with macron still pushing the global agenda italy are probably the closest to leaving support is growing ever since the EU threw them under the bus swexit also gaining momentum with polls showing around the same percentages the Great European dream is beginning to fold the UK leaving is probably the catalyst that will start the explosion.
So many country's with different needs simply can't work its amazing its been put up with for so long but then they tie country's govt down with beurocratic nonsense.
So much horseshit, the EU expecting 4%growth this year the uk may be negative or slightly above, a 900m stimulus about to be rolled out across europe and the uk with record numbers of food banks. Scotland need a referendum. "lol instead of taking the eus forecast figures which are always going to be skewed go look at independant growth figures with the deals struck the UK has the opportunities to flourish while the EU are plagued by infighting seems to be Germans way or no way with macron licking merkels bunions You just have to look at the eus stimulus package criteria to see the panic the UK leaving has caused no stimulus unless your tied down to the EU lol if they are that secure why all the panic to tie remaining countries down. Even monsuir barnier has said the UK ended up in a super strong position and its the EU had to give in to secure a deal that they needed this is the part folk often forget the EU needed a deal with us and while it's advantages to us to have a deal we could have got by without one. To much doom and gloom about breaking the straight jacket the EU had on us I for one am glad to be rid of the dictatorship that is the EU (looking forward to a curly cucumber and a banana with more than a 5% bend) | |||
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"If you lot want independence the best thing for you to do is to get England to vote on it. They will definitely vote you out of the UK. Everyone outside of Scotland is bored with all your bleating and moaning and fed up of paying taxes to support you. It's about time the SNP started focusing on running Scotland for all it's working people and making their lives better rather than using the same old 'blame England for all the problems' nonsense. cool idea. off you go and organise that then... we'll wait... Yep, that's about right. Get some English guy to organise it for you, while you sit there doing nothing and wait. Still I suppose we English have only ourselves to blame. Spoilt you rotten for 300 years and now you can't do anything for yourselves. wow you really have some nerve spoilt us rotten what by systematically shutting Scotland down and centralising everything around the capital Views like this are a major part of the problem you speak as though we are beneath you and we are your playthings instead of equals this from a remain voter by the way disgusting post. I think you would be surprised if England did vote on it a lot of the North of England hold the same view as Scots. " You are surprised at this view from an English voter. I’m not. Too many times I have come across this attitude that Scotland are spongers and don’t contribute sufficiently. Both in business and leisure. To the general English we are the jocks, not fit to sit at the table. But handy to have around as servants, farm workers and grouse beaters. Scotland is a playground full of rich resources and pretty landscapes which they own. Your desire to remain part of the UK comes at a price - you are not equal to an Englishman. | |||
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"If you lot want independence the best thing for you to do is to get England to vote on it. They will definitely vote you out of the UK. Everyone outside of Scotland is bored with all your bleating and moaning and fed up of paying taxes to support you. It's about time the SNP started focusing on running Scotland for all it's working people and making their lives better rather than using the same old 'blame England for all the problems' nonsense. cool idea. off you go and organise that then... we'll wait... Yep, that's about right. Get some English guy to organise it for you, while you sit there doing nothing and wait. Still I suppose we English have only ourselves to blame. Spoilt you rotten for 300 years and now you can't do anything for yourselves. wow you really have some nerve spoilt us rotten what by systematically shutting Scotland down and centralising everything around the capital Views like this are a major part of the problem you speak as though we are beneath you and we are your playthings instead of equals this from a remain voter by the way disgusting post. I think you would be surprised if England did vote on it a lot of the North of England hold the same view as Scots. You are surprised at this view from an English voter. I’m not. Too many times I have come across this attitude that Scotland are spongers and don’t contribute sufficiently. Both in business and leisure. To the general English we are the jocks, not fit to sit at the table. But handy to have around as servants, farm workers and grouse beaters. Scotland is a playground full of rich resources and pretty landscapes which they own. Your desire to remain part of the UK comes at a price - you are not equal to an Englishman. " here's the problem your view is just as bad you berate any English person when in actuality the view held by that person is a tiny percentage a bit like the braveheart screamer are a tiny percentage its just they scream loud | |||
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" An independent Scotland would have to meet all the requirements as a new entrant and sadly as it stands they would not meet these It would lose it's independence for a start!!
By consent though - which can be withdrawn at will. As the UK has so ably proved.
withdrawn at will have you been around the past few years lol
Exactly, but there is evidence that suggests considerable unrest bubbling just under the EU surface.
So over the next few years, while the SNP might want to join, there's the possibility of a number of countries following in the footsteps of the UK.
Can all these countries be in the wrong, and the SNP in the right???
There is zero evidence for that yes there will always be a few squabbles but u would have to be mental to leave the EU single market its too lucrative to leave....opps.
Rubbish, you really don't know!!
Perhaps a little research genius ? Since the brexit fiasco polls in most european countries have shown a rise in support for membership. U can check for yourself. you may want to check yourself frexit is gaining huge momentum with macron still pushing the global agenda italy are probably the closest to leaving support is growing ever since the EU threw them under the bus swexit also gaining momentum with polls showing around the same percentages the Great European dream is beginning to fold the UK leaving is probably the catalyst that will start the explosion.
So many country's with different needs simply can't work its amazing its been put up with for so long but then they tie country's govt down with beurocratic nonsense.
So much horseshit, the EU expecting 4%growth this year the uk may be negative or slightly above, a 900m stimulus about to be rolled out across europe and the uk with record numbers of food banks. Scotland need a referendum. lol instead of taking the eus forecast figures which are always going to be skewed go look at independant growth figures with the deals struck the UK has the opportunities to flourish while the EU are plagued by infighting seems to be Germans way or no way with macron licking merkels bunions
You just have to look at the eus stimulus package criteria to see the panic the UK leaving has caused no stimulus unless your tied down to the EU lol if they are that secure why all the panic to tie remaining countries down.
Even monsuir barnier has said the UK ended up in a super strong position and its the EU had to give in to secure a deal that they needed this is the part folk often forget the EU needed a deal with us and while it's advantages to us to have a deal we could have got by without one.
To much doom and gloom about breaking the straight jacket the EU had on us I for one am glad to be rid of the dictatorship that is the EU (looking forward to a curly cucumber and a banana with more than a 5% bend) "Hear hear. | |||
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"The snp would have to answer the questions like what’s going to make scotland sustainable? What currency? Borders between Scotland and England? News channel, passports etc. " So what makes Ireland sustainable ? No Oil and now one of the wealthiest countries in Europe, being England's cuck for another 100 years cant be the answer. | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote" We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. " Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? " geographical locations nothing more | |||
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"The snp would have to answer the questions like what’s going to make scotland sustainable? What currency? Borders between Scotland and England? News channel, passports etc. So what makes Ireland sustainable ? No Oil and now one of the wealthiest countries in Europe, being England's cuck for another 100 years cant be the answer." The main reason for Ireland's wealth has been the influx of big tech companies like Apple which are lured there by the ultra low rates of corporation tax. This could all change as the EU has already fined Ireland 13 billion Euros as it says that the tax Apple pays there at 0.5% amounts to illegal state subsidy. Ireland could be forced to stop the practice so the tech companies could leave and the Irish back to square one. | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? geographical locations nothing more" Northern Ireland 55% voted remain, special arrangement. England, 53% voted leave. left EU Wales, 52% voted leave, left EU Gibraltar, only 4% voted to leave. Special arrangement. Scotland, 62% voted to remain, dragged out EU Perhaps scotland should shoot and bomb to get results. | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? geographical locations nothing more Northern Ireland 55% voted remain, special arrangement. England, 53% voted leave. left EU Wales, 52% voted leave, left EU Gibraltar, only 4% voted to leave. Special arrangement. Scotland, 62% voted to remain, dragged out EU Perhaps scotland should shoot and bomb to get results. " N.I eire member state of the EU gib attached to Spain again attached to an EU country absolutely nothing to do with what was voted and everything to do with geographical location | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? " Your argument fails simply by the fact your looking to say on one hand Scotlands differing opinions from the uk should count and be an overriding factor about being heard and our wishes respected then saying we should ignore another vote where those same voices were heard during the independence vote. So do we listen to the people or not. ???? | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? geographical locations nothing more Northern Ireland 55% voted remain, special arrangement. England, 53% voted leave. left EU Wales, 52% voted leave, left EU Gibraltar, only 4% voted to leave. Special arrangement. Scotland, 62% voted to remain, dragged out EU Perhaps scotland should shoot and bomb to get results. N.I eire member state of the EU gib attached to Spain again attached to an EU country absolutely nothing to do with what was voted and everything to do with geographical location" Remember the mantra vote NO to remain in the EU ? How did that work out. Ruth Davidson promised to resign if NI got a better trading deal than scotland and instead fucks of to the unelected lords on £320 a day. Anyone seriously thinking this is a union of equals are deluded. | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? Your argument fails simply by the fact your looking to say on one hand Scotlands differing opinions from the uk should count and be an overriding factor about being heard and our wishes respected then saying we should ignore another vote where those same voices were heard during the independence vote. So do we listen to the people or not. ???? " As I’ve said previously the UK is not a country. A union indicates an equal partnership. What we live in scotland is a dictatorship. | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? geographical locations nothing more Northern Ireland 55% voted remain, special arrangement. England, 53% voted leave. left EU Wales, 52% voted leave, left EU Gibraltar, only 4% voted to leave. Special arrangement. Scotland, 62% voted to remain, dragged out EU Perhaps scotland should shoot and bomb to get results. N.I eire member state of the EU gib attached to Spain again attached to an EU country absolutely nothing to do with what was voted and everything to do with geographical location Remember the mantra vote NO to remain in the EU ? How did that work out. Ruth Davidson promised to resign if NI got a better trading deal than scotland and instead fucks of to the unelected lords on £320 a day. Anyone seriously thinking this is a union of equals are deluded. " How has N.I got a better trading deal its the UK not a separate country lol your confusing yourself here and defeating your own argument | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? Your argument fails simply by the fact your looking to say on one hand Scotlands differing opinions from the uk should count and be an overriding factor about being heard and our wishes respected then saying we should ignore another vote where those same voices were heard during the independence vote. So do we listen to the people or not. ???? As I’ve said previously the UK is not a country. A union indicates an equal partnership. What we live in scotland is a dictatorship. " Thats a bit harsh calling wee Nic a dictator but I suppose she does impose her will over the people on a fairly regular basis. | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? geographical locations nothing more Northern Ireland 55% voted remain, special arrangement. England, 53% voted leave. left EU Wales, 52% voted leave, left EU Gibraltar, only 4% voted to leave. Special arrangement. Scotland, 62% voted to remain, dragged out EU Perhaps scotland should shoot and bomb to get results. N.I eire member state of the EU gib attached to Spain again attached to an EU country absolutely nothing to do with what was voted and everything to do with geographical location Remember the mantra vote NO to remain in the EU ? How did that work out. Ruth Davidson promised to resign if NI got a better trading deal than scotland and instead fucks of to the unelected lords on £320 a day. Anyone seriously thinking this is a union of equals are deluded. How has N.I got a better trading deal its the UK not a separate country lol your confusing yourself here and defeating your own argument" Only one confused is you. geographically attached to a EU country isn’t an argument for a special deal. | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? Your argument fails simply by the fact your looking to say on one hand Scotlands differing opinions from the uk should count and be an overriding factor about being heard and our wishes respected then saying we should ignore another vote where those same voices were heard during the independence vote. So do we listen to the people or not. ???? As I’ve said previously the UK is not a country. A union indicates an equal partnership. What we live in scotland is a dictatorship. Thats a bit harsh calling wee Nic a dictator but I suppose she does impose her will over the people on a fairly regular basis. "You’re politics are as trustworthy as your fences | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? geographical locations nothing more Northern Ireland 55% voted remain, special arrangement. England, 53% voted leave. left EU Wales, 52% voted leave, left EU Gibraltar, only 4% voted to leave. Special arrangement. Scotland, 62% voted to remain, dragged out EU Perhaps scotland should shoot and bomb to get results. N.I eire member state of the EU gib attached to Spain again attached to an EU country absolutely nothing to do with what was voted and everything to do with geographical location Remember the mantra vote NO to remain in the EU ? How did that work out. Ruth Davidson promised to resign if NI got a better trading deal than scotland and instead fucks of to the unelected lords on £320 a day. Anyone seriously thinking this is a union of equals are deluded. How has N.I got a better trading deal its the UK not a separate country lol your confusing yourself here and defeating your own argument Only one confused is you. geographically attached to a EU country isn’t an argument for a special deal. " pmsl cmon you can't be so crazy as to think the EU would allow a backdoor into the single market your infatuation with being the downtrodden lackey really knows no bounds that you equate this to an a front against Scotland not getting as you want to call it a special deal | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? Your argument fails simply by the fact your looking to say on one hand Scotlands differing opinions from the uk should count and be an overriding factor about being heard and our wishes respected then saying we should ignore another vote where those same voices were heard during the independence vote. So do we listen to the people or not. ???? As I’ve said previously the UK is not a country. A union indicates an equal partnership. What we live in scotland is a dictatorship. Thats a bit harsh calling wee Nic a dictator but I suppose she does impose her will over the people on a fairly regular basis.
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? Your argument fails simply by the fact your looking to say on one hand Scotlands differing opinions from the uk should count and be an overriding factor about being heard and our wishes respected then saying we should ignore another vote where those same voices were heard during the independence vote. So do we listen to the people or not. ???? As I’ve said previously the UK is not a country. A union indicates an equal partnership. What we live in scotland is a dictatorship. Thats a bit harsh calling wee Nic a dictator but I suppose she does impose her will over the people on a fairly regular basis.
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? geographical locations nothing more Northern Ireland 55% voted remain, special arrangement. England, 53% voted leave. left EU Wales, 52% voted leave, left EU Gibraltar, only 4% voted to leave. Special arrangement. Scotland, 62% voted to remain, dragged out EU Perhaps scotland should shoot and bomb to get results. N.I eire member state of the EU gib attached to Spain again attached to an EU country absolutely nothing to do with what was voted and everything to do with geographical location Remember the mantra vote NO to remain in the EU ? How did that work out. Ruth Davidson promised to resign if NI got a better trading deal than scotland and instead fucks of to the unelected lords on £320 a day. Anyone seriously thinking this is a union of equals are deluded. How has N.I got a better trading deal its the UK not a separate country lol your confusing yourself here and defeating your own argument Only one confused is you. geographically attached to a EU country isn’t an argument for a special deal. pmsl cmon you can't be so crazy as to think the EU would allow a backdoor into the single market your infatuation with being the downtrodden lackey really knows no bounds that you equate this to an a front against Scotland not getting as you want to call it a special deal" The UK say Brexit is for the whole of the UK. NI get treated differently; Gibraltar get treated differently and Scotland get told to shut up and get on with it! This will not stand. Like NI and Gibraltar we didn't vote for this shit! | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? Your argument fails simply by the fact your looking to say on one hand Scotlands differing opinions from the uk should count and be an overriding factor about being heard and our wishes respected then saying we should ignore another vote where those same voices were heard during the independence vote. So do we listen to the people or not. ???? " The SNP was very particular about the circumstances under which they would call for another independence referendum. As I am sure you know. Now... I'll grant that leaving the EU was unexpected. And perhaps calling for a section 30 in dec 2019 was a little opportunistic. However, should the SNP be voted into government again this year, there is no doubt that they will be within their remit call for a referendum again. We should absolutely respect what people have said in the past. But we should also listen to what they say now - and act accordingly. | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? geographical locations nothing more Northern Ireland 55% voted remain, special arrangement. England, 53% voted leave. left EU Wales, 52% voted leave, left EU Gibraltar, only 4% voted to leave. Special arrangement. Scotland, 62% voted to remain, dragged out EU Perhaps scotland should shoot and bomb to get results. N.I eire member state of the EU gib attached to Spain again attached to an EU country absolutely nothing to do with what was voted and everything to do with geographical location Remember the mantra vote NO to remain in the EU ? How did that work out. Ruth Davidson promised to resign if NI got a better trading deal than scotland and instead fucks of to the unelected lords on £320 a day. Anyone seriously thinking this is a union of equals are deluded. How has N.I got a better trading deal its the UK not a separate country lol your confusing yourself here and defeating your own argument Only one confused is you. geographically attached to a EU country isn’t an argument for a special deal. pmsl cmon you can't be so crazy as to think the EU would allow a backdoor into the single market your infatuation with being the downtrodden lackey really knows no bounds that you equate this to an a front against Scotland not getting as you want to call it a special deal The UK say Brexit is for the whole of the UK. NI get treated differently; Gibraltar get treated differently and Scotland get told to shut up and get on with it! This will not stand. Like NI and Gibraltar we didn't vote for this shit! " lol we did though and it's glorious | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? geographical locations nothing more Northern Ireland 55% voted remain, special arrangement. England, 53% voted leave. left EU Wales, 52% voted leave, left EU Gibraltar, only 4% voted to leave. Special arrangement. Scotland, 62% voted to remain, dragged out EU Perhaps scotland should shoot and bomb to get results. N.I eire member state of the EU gib attached to Spain again attached to an EU country absolutely nothing to do with what was voted and everything to do with geographical location Remember the mantra vote NO to remain in the EU ? How did that work out. Ruth Davidson promised to resign if NI got a better trading deal than scotland and instead fucks of to the unelected lords on £320 a day. Anyone seriously thinking this is a union of equals are deluded. How has N.I got a better trading deal its the UK not a separate country lol your confusing yourself here and defeating your own argument Only one confused is you. geographically attached to a EU country isn’t an argument for a special deal. pmsl cmon you can't be so crazy as to think the EU would allow a backdoor into the single market your infatuation with being the downtrodden lackey really knows no bounds that you equate this to an a front against Scotland not getting as you want to call it a special deal The UK say Brexit is for the whole of the UK. NI get treated differently; Gibraltar get treated differently and Scotland get told to shut up and get on with it! This will not stand. Like NI and Gibraltar we didn't vote for this shit! lol we did though and it's glorious "62% remain. Facts | |||
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"If an independence referendum granted and came out for independence as you say then definitely yes we have to have a referendum 0n being part of the EU or not. The UK membership of the EU will be totally different to the terms of Scotland being a members we need to vote We would need to get the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th independence referendums out the way first because why should the losers accept a yes vote when the no vote won last time and alex and wee nic never shut up about getting another vote almost immediately. Why should scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU be dragged out against its will ? Before you say it’s a UK wide vote, explain why NI and Gibraltar have special arrangements ? geographical locations nothing more Northern Ireland 55% voted remain, special arrangement. England, 53% voted leave. left EU Wales, 52% voted leave, left EU Gibraltar, only 4% voted to leave. Special arrangement. Scotland, 62% voted to remain, dragged out EU Perhaps scotland should shoot and bomb to get results. N.I eire member state of the EU gib attached to Spain again attached to an EU country absolutely nothing to do with what was voted and everything to do with geographical location Remember the mantra vote NO to remain in the EU ? How did that work out. Ruth Davidson promised to resign if NI got a better trading deal than scotland and instead fucks of to the unelected lords on £320 a day. Anyone seriously thinking this is a union of equals are deluded. How has N.I got a better trading deal its the UK not a separate country lol your confusing yourself here and defeating your own argument Only one confused is you. geographically attached to a EU country isn’t an argument for a special deal. pmsl cmon you can't be so crazy as to think the EU would allow a backdoor into the single market your infatuation with being the downtrodden lackey really knows no bounds that you equate this to an a front against Scotland not getting as you want to call it a special deal The UK say Brexit is for the whole of the UK. NI get treated differently; Gibraltar get treated differently and Scotland get told to shut up and get on with it! This will not stand. Like NI and Gibraltar we didn't vote for this shit! lol we did though and it's glorious
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"we had a vote and it was no she said oil will pay for it but in 10 years they want us all to use electric cars and by 2035 no gas in houses it was going to be 2020 gas got stopped now 2035 scotland cant survive on its own we cant keep having votes until she gets her way we voted and it was to stay in the uk and if we was still in the eu say good by to a lot more like the pound and drive on the right as they would change it all " https://www.businessforscotland.com/scotland-is-one-of-the-worlds-most-naturally-wealthy-nations/ Don’t let anyone tell you Scotland is too wee or too poor. That’s why England wants to hold on to us. | |||
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"If a referendum is called and yes is the majority does everyone else get to shout and scream for another one. It's laughable it's even discussed we wNt independence...... So the EU can tell us what to do lol" Exactly I though it was a democracy, or do we just keep voting untill nippy gets the result she wants | |||
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"If a referendum is called and yes is the majority does everyone else get to shout and scream for another one. It's laughable it's even discussed we wNt independence...... So the EU can tell us what to do lol Exactly I though it was a democracy, or do we just keep voting untill nippy gets the result she wants " We keep voting... on everything... forever... Democracy is awful like that | |||
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"If a referendum is called and yes is the majority does everyone else get to shout and scream for another one. It's laughable it's even discussed we wNt independence...... So the EU can tell us what to do lol Exactly I though it was a democracy, or do we just keep voting untill nippy gets the result she wants We keep voting... on everything... forever... Democracy is awful like that" Not on something you have already held a vote on missing the point | |||
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"If a referendum is called and yes is the majority does everyone else get to shout and scream for another one. It's laughable it's even discussed we wNt independence...... So the EU can tell us what to do lol Exactly I though it was a democracy, or do we just keep voting untill nippy gets the result she wants We keep voting... on everything... forever... Democracy is awful like that" It’s awful that the youngster not old enough to vote in elections or referendums back then can vote now to determine their future. Democracy sucks. Lets be like China | |||
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"If a referendum is called and yes is the majority does everyone else get to shout and scream for another one. It's laughable it's even discussed we wNt independence...... So the EU can tell us what to do lol Exactly I though it was a democracy, or do we just keep voting untill nippy gets the result she wants We keep voting... on everything... forever... Democracy is awful like that It’s awful that the youngster not old enough to vote in elections or referendums back then can vote now to determine their future. Democracy sucks. Lets be like China "They lowered the voting age if I remember correctly for the referendum Tbh I hate politics their just crooks in suits | |||
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"If a referendum is called and yes is the majority does everyone else get to shout and scream for another one. It's laughable it's even discussed we wNt independence...... So the EU can tell us what to do lol Exactly I though it was a democracy, or do we just keep voting untill nippy gets the result she wants We keep voting... on everything... forever... Democracy is awful like that Not on something you have already held a vote on missing the point " ok  | |||
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"If a referendum is called and yes is the majority does everyone else get to shout and scream for another one. It's laughable it's even discussed we wNt independence...... So the EU can tell us what to do lol Exactly I though it was a democracy, or do we just keep voting untill nippy gets the result she wants We keep voting... on everything... forever... Democracy is awful like that It’s awful that the youngster not old enough to vote in elections or referendums back then can vote now to determine their future. Democracy sucks. Lets be like China "The spelling among young people of today is so atrocious they probably thought it said "go out and veto independence". | |||
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"The snp would have to answer the questions like what’s going to make scotland sustainable? What currency? Borders between Scotland and England? News channel, passports etc. So what makes Ireland sustainable ? No Oil and now one of the wealthiest countries in Europe, being England's cuck for another 100 years cant be the answer. The main reason for Ireland's wealth has been the influx of big tech companies like Apple which are lured there by the ultra low rates of corporation tax. This could all change as the EU has already fined Ireland 13 billion Euros as it says that the tax Apple pays there at 0.5% amounts to illegal state subsidy. Ireland could be forced to stop the practice so the tech companies could leave and the Irish back to square one. " I think you'll find apple won the case do a little research, from what I can gather Ireland concentrated on education and getting their universities to turn out suitable hi tech employees think it's called forward thinking, zero oil over there the big difference seems to be they weren't anyones cuck like scotland is at the moment. | |||
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"I know it’s just a crazy hopeful dream but I’d really like to see politicians putting aside bitching, point scoring and blame (after all they are all pretty awful) and just trying to work together to find a solution. I know, I know... you may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one (Mr John Lennon) "I fully agree also it would be lovely if they could give everyone a slice of apple pie at 3 o clock every day. | |||
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"I know it’s just a crazy hopeful dream but I’d really like to see politicians putting aside bitching, point scoring and blame (after all they are all pretty awful) and just trying to work together to find a solution. I know, I know... you may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one (Mr John Lennon)
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"The EU would reject them as a piss poor drain on their resources" Someone reads English media i see. | |||
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"We had a referendum and the people decided. It was a once in a lifetime vote (what do people not understand about that). We remain part of the United Kingdom and as such, have left the EU. We simply would not cope being independent and our economy would fail. " Once in a lifetime. Can you provide a link to back this up ? Scotland has more than enough natural wealth to be a thriving nation. Perhaps check out the business for scotland link I provided earlier. Why someone would want to be ruled by another country is beyond me. What was promised as part of the Indyref1 was federalism. Tory, Labour, dems, main stream media lies. | |||
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"We had a referendum and the people decided. It was a once in a lifetime vote (what do people not understand about that). We remain part of the United Kingdom and as such, have left the EU. We simply would not cope being independent and our economy would fail. " you are in Manchester, do you mean the English economy. as for the people voting, yes withbthe usual lies attached from Mps, such as the hoke that was The Vow and only way to stay in the EU bollocks. | |||
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