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Orange Marches

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Saw that 10000 people went to Stirling for an Orange march.As a bloke brought up in England i am fairly suprised these very old fashioned things are still so popular.

Can i ask why are they marching nowadays?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

tradition

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Out dated maybe?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Very outdated and as for tradition, so was beating your clothes on rocks in a stream to wash them, but most people have moved on from there.

I think it's mostly inadequate guys who want to belong to a wee gang.

Sadly it's a west of Scotland disease ( and I am referring to both sides of the bigot brothers here)

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Have to agree with you there Bad .. i was told it was about 3000 Rangers fans with nothing else to do ...the rest ... well i have no idea, just strikes me as strange and very old fashioned. My friend had to close her business as did many shops.... we all need to make a living...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Out dated maybe?"

Maybe aye maybe no, sporting traditions are used to encourage support. The build up to the final yesterday was highlighting the last time a Briton won on Center court.

If your friend had to close for one day, then the loss would be felt, retail suffers enough as seen by the computer glitch two weeks ago.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not only the cost to retail, the cost of policing the marches is crazy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As someone from tyneside, I have seen Orange Marches, to be honest with you, its a democratic right, our grandfathers, fathers, and uncles fought for, however don't really see the point in acknowledging a king of a foreign land, who hasnt been around for over 200 years, surely its what occurs in the here and now, that shapes our futures.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In this day and age I don't see the need for these "marches". I have close family members that belong to this and it's the one thing that we will NEVER agree on, I have my own thoughts on it but also respect that others do to...it's a great divide that unfortunately will never ever come together!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In this day and age I don't see the need for these "marches". I have close family members that belong to this and it's the one thing that we will NEVER agree on, I have my own thoughts on it but also respect that others do to...it's a great divide that unfortunately will never ever come together!!!!!"

completely agree with you, no matter how they dress it up as tradition, its about sectarianism and bigotry and i find it incredible that it is still allowed to go on, i can onkly imagine the outrage in the national press if a march basedaround religion and so inflammatory in nature waas allowed to go ahead in our major cities and towns.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

orange marches?

what about the other less fortunate fruits??

I for one would like a banana march or pineapples... where are their rights??complete fruitism I reckon...

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By *ikerbob1957Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Nice one Choc!!

It is their democratic right to march and as long as there is no history of disorder then the marches will continue.

Councils and Police can object to a march if there is a likelihood of serious disorder such as The National Front or some Muslim groups.

All Orange walks have their own stewards and they know that they have to behave or marches will get banned. The trouble tends not to be from the marchers but the hangers on that walk beside them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's not only the cost to retail, the cost of policing the marches is crazy. "

They don't need to have that much police there nowhere near it.

They march to celebrate the battle of the boyne victory by king William. A battle which like it or not has something to do with our country. Scottish labour had a slogan the other year saying one scotland many cultures. Well our culture is here to stay.

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By *lassic1Man over a year ago

bellshill

"It's not only the cost to retail, the cost of policing the marches is crazy.

They don't need to have that much police there nowhere near it.

I heard recently that with the troubles at Ibrox not only could Rangers lose some titles there is a possibility that the battle of the boyne would be awarded to James the first.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's not only the cost to retail, the cost of policing the marches is crazy.

They don't need to have that much police there nowhere near it.

I heard recently that with the troubles at Ibrox not only could Rangers lose some titles there is a possibility that the battle of the boyne would be awarded to James the first.

If James had of got his finger out at the boyne then there would probably be no marches. So it's him you all should blame

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And the teddy bears aren't loosing any titles

. Why would they ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And the teddy bears aren't loosing any

titles

. Why would they ?"

Cos they`re dirty tax dodging bastards thats why. OK?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Out dated maybe?

Maybe aye maybe no, sporting traditions are used to encourage support.

It has NOTHING to do with sport

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By *ola cubesMan over a year ago

coatbridge

a question gets asked about orange marches and somehow the green n blue handbags come out wow wonder why these things are hated !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's not only the cost to retail, the cost of policing the marches is crazy.

They don't need to have that much police there nowhere near it.

They march to celebrate the battle of the boyne victory by king William.. "

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By *ola cubesMan over a year ago

coatbridge

"It's not only the cost to retail, the cost of policing the marches is crazy.

They don't need to have that much police there nowhere near it.

They march to celebrate the battle of the boyne victory by king William..

I'm fairly sure he was still prince William at that time. It still has no place in modern society, the old "it's our culture" excuse doesn't hold up, otherwise why no march to celebrate Nelsons victory, or the winning of world war one, why no march for ve day? The list could be endless."
all these marches do take place in different parts of the country its up to you or your organisation to approach your council about having them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And the teddy bears aren't loosing any

titles

. Why would they ?

Cos they`re dirty tax dodging bastards thats why. OK?

You must know something everyone doesn't the ebt see hasn't been decided yet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's not only the cost to retail, the cost of policing the marches is crazy.

They don't need to have that much police there nowhere near it.

They march to celebrate the battle of the boyne victory by king William..

Well get some people and march for it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hello G

The reason the Orange Lodge persist is because of what they represent in the British Protestant psyche I guess and the tradition it taps into. They are a British institution and not a Scots phenomena as you seem to be thinking along with other English posters (thinking tomma).

Nor are they unique to Scotland.

I've seen Orange Lodge marches in Dublin where they are held by Anglo-Irish protestants every year. In Northern Ireland it is still a major institution which is not a surprise since that is where it was founded. They are also held in England (in Liverpool there are marches held regularly) and fairly common elsewhere until relatively recent times (the 70s). Lodges and marches are held throughout the Commonwealth and the USA.

For many they reflect the victory of reason over dogma. This may seem counter-intuitive in the modern era but in many senses they are right. Protestantism opened the door to a democratic, enlightened transition. Much of what we take as modern, in law, governance and economy, indeed society itself, is rooted in the Protestant rejection of Papal authority and the Glorious Revolution.

It is named after William of Orange, who became King of Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales due to his wife being James' sister and them both being Protestant (Mary Stuart had converted to marry William). The Order symbolizes the victory at the Boyne as saving Britain from the grip of Rome and the absolutism associated with Catholic monarchs. Think Marie Antoinette and the 'let them have cake' line. Or the Inquisition.

The reason Protestantism is still important in the UK context (no Monarch can be Catholic) revolves around the break from the Roman church and the claim of the Pope to rule over all which the Pope and Vatican State still asserts.

That aside, it really is dying as an institution - the Orange Lodge - and rightly so. The more we move away from faith based flags the better for all. Secularisation is the way ahead but banning marches is not the answer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hello G

G from gandl is Scottish.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nowhere, in my posting did I say it was a Scottish phenomenon, as you put it, there are a very large Protest and Catholic population, all the way across tyneside, Many irish people settled on tyneside for work, in the 19th century, there are not just protestants, catholics on tyneside, it also has a very large, asian, & arab community. What I did actually say in my posting was Marches are as outdated, as the Steam Engine, we are now 12 yrs into the 21st century, time moves on...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My big concern is ,What the fuck is this thread doing on a swingers site? Answers on a postage stamp please.This site is about arranging and having fun, not talking about numpties on both sides marching up and down the streets like friggin idiots.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can we finish up on this thread please.......this subject is getting more interest than it rightfully deserves.Time to treat with the respect it should have been given in the first instance.......None......IGNORE IT.......please!!!!

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By *ex n MusicCouple over a year ago

Perth

"Out dated maybe?"

No outdated defiantly...as far as im concerned 1000 bigots banging a large fecking drum and blowing on little sticks with holes at 8 in the morning after iv just 4 12 hour shifts sits pretty raw with me.....This is a tradition thats best left the same place as all football bigotry....in the gutter!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And the teddy bears aren't loosing any titles

. Why would they ?

Cos they`re dirty tax dodging bastards thats why. OK?

WATP = We Avoid Tax Payments

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By *ex n MusicCouple over a year ago

Perth

"orange marches?

what about the other less fortunate fruits??

I for one would like a banana march or pineapples... where are their rights??complete fruitism I reckon... "

Hahahahaha....funnist comment iv read in a while.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"orange marches?

what about the other less fortunate fruits??

I for one would like a banana march or pineapples... where are their rights??complete fruitism I reckon...

Hahahahaha....funnist comment iv read in a while.....

Yeay.. someone "gets" my.humour

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There was a march planned a couple years ago which was supposed to start in leith links, (edinburgh), at 7.45am and travel march to the nearest lodge!

Their arguement for starting at such a time? THEY HAD TO BE AT BROUGHTON FOR 9AM!!

They were told in no uncertain terms to get back on their coach and DRIVE to broughton if that was the case!

Leith is a pre-dominantly catholic area! So why try and march through it if not to try and stir up resentment??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Completely off topic, but there is a fruit connection.

William of Orange and the Dutch Royal family Orange-Nassau get their name from the region around the town of Orange in France. The town of Orange used to be the centre of the orange trade, hence its name.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Completely off topic, but there is a fruit connection.

Pity they weren't jaffas then eh!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My main confusion in this matter is why the fuck is everyone getting so wound about these marches if you are claiming they are so outdated? Secondly I was completely dumbfounded that, during a valid point of discussion, the thread has managed to attract people who think its all about football (a sport for which I have no time at all, partly for this very reason) and also verged on an argument referring to whether someone is Scottish or English!! I feel the point the OP made was somewhat lost along the way... Personally I think they have a right to march, it is a tradition, no matter how old (how many of us drink a pint of guiness on st Patrick's day? Eat haggis on burns day?) tradition is tradition!

Being from Belfast originally I am all too aware of the trouble it causes but as stated above... The trouble is caused not by the marchers themselves but by the football hooligans and sectarian bigots that tag along..... Seems to me like the solution is more to ban football if removing troublesome situations is indeed your consensus? Just my view

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Great thread!! Its helped me use my block button on numpties that I do not want to meet as their personality and views are the very opposite to ours.

Hugs and kisses to the OP x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My big concern is ,What the fuck is this thread doing on a swingers site? Answers on a postage stamp please.This site is about arranging and having fun, not talking about numpties on both sides marching up and down the streets like friggin idiots.

Agrees xxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Thanks Tosser Hughes, i found that to be very informative. Cheers buddy.

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By *cottybhoyMan over a year ago

falkirk

Agrees xxx"

Agree with Vicky - purely in the hope that one day I will get to see her naked lol

C'mon - Parades are over, let's move on!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

See the guy at the front of the march with batton thingy, why don't they pick someone that's actually good at it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Out dated maybe?

Flutes not sticks. There was a section in the London museum of art a few years ago about a loyalist flute band there history etc. they didn't seem to be offended by it. We are here to stay so let's all just get used to it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are here to stay so let's all just get used to it

Thats what the romans said and I've not seen any of them around recentley.

I'd ban all sectarian marches. They breed nothing but trouble and hatred!

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By *cottybhoyMan over a year ago

falkirk

"We are here to stay so let's all just get used to it

Thats what the romans said and I've not seen any of them around recentley.

I'd ban all sectarian marches. They breed nothing but trouble and hatred!"

And to be honest it really is a shame that we are debating this shite in the 21st Century when, in a country where so few people actually go to church, we should just be fucking adults and get on with it.

Gerry Adams and Ian Paisley / the Queen and Martin McGuinness - if they can see beyond the nonsense and come together for peace on our time why in the name of everything that is holy can't others. And as someone from an Irish Catholic (and republican) background I include our walks to

Get a grip, grow up and look forward

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Get a grip, grow up and look forward "

I'm very grown up thanks. lol

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By *cottybhoyMan over a year ago

falkirk

"Get a grip, grow up and look forward

I'm very grown up thanks. lol"

And I agree with your sensible outlook!

Is the other bigoted and stupid goats I despair of! No surrender and all that shite!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are here to stay so let's all just get used to it

Thats what the romans said and I've not seen any of them around recentley.

I'd ban all sectarian marches. They breed nothing but trouble and hatred!"

There not sectarian marches. Nothing but trouble ? The east parade had zero arrests and no trouble the central parade had zero arrests and no trouble. Seems every year it's te Glasgow parade that gets arrests. 37 our of thousands I may add. T in the park there was trouble should we ban that too ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Get a grip, grow up and look forward

I'm very grown up thanks. lol

And I agree with your sensible outlook!

Is the other bigoted and stupid goats I despair of! No surrender and all that shite!"

So people are bigoted as they don't share the same view as you might ?

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By *acreadCouple over a year ago

central scotland

"Get a grip, grow up and look forward

I'm very grown up thanks. lol

And I agree with your sensible outlook!

Is the other bigoted and stupid goats I despair of! No surrender and all that shite!

So people are bigoted as they don't share the same view as you might ?

The definition of sectarianism is bigotry or hatred.

Are you going to tell me you have not heard either from members of the orange lodge or flute bands? I also include the republican bands and lets not kid ourselves its just a few who go to these marches that think that way if we are honest with ourselves it certainly is not.

I and I would presume everyone here has heard it from both sides of marchers. Personally I have heard it a helluva lot in my life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Get a grip, grow up and look forward

I'm very grown up thanks. lol

And I agree with your sensible outlook!

Is the other bigoted and stupid goats I despair of! No surrender and all that shite!

So people are bigoted as they don't share the same view as you might ?

The definition of sectarianism is bigotry or hatred.

I and I would presume everyone here has heard it from both sides of marchers. Personally I have heard it a helluva lot in my life."

It's not a sectarian march tho

hatred ? Come on we all get on with each other over here ie Protestants and Catholics. I'm good friends with a few Catholics one even went to the parade on sat he didn't get offended by it. As.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i actually find myself hating all protestants, not because i hate protestants, just because of the way the folk who go the walks and the fitba behave and act.

while its easy and unfair to tar everyone with the same brush, i actually dont feel embarrased to say that i think the majority of people who support rangers and the lodges and walks etc are all lowlife bigots who hate catholics.

i can honestly say ive yet to meet one who isnt.

and whoever says supporting rangers and supporting the lodge & walks are not related is talking out their arse, as is anyone who says the walks are about tradition.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

hate is a very very strong word.....

the aggression....politics, hatred, word usage and contorvacy in this post and the other thread about this subject says it all on the subject..........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i actually find myself hating all protestants, not because i hate protestants, just because of the way the folk who go the walks and the fitba behave and act.

i can honestly say ive yet to meet one who isnt.

and whoever says supporting rangers and supporting the lodge & walks are not related is talking out their arse, as is anyone who says the walks are about tradition. "

Don't comment on something you know f all about. Made me laugh though

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By *acreadCouple over a year ago

central scotland

"hate is a very very strong word.....

the aggression....politics, hatred, word usage and contorvacy in this post and the other thread about this subject says it all on the subject..........

So true think I will give these sort of threads a miss from now on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I feel sad for you if thats the way u feel, narrow minded bitter twisted individual

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By *cottybhoyMan over a year ago

falkirk

"Get a grip, grow up and look forward

I'm very grown up thanks. lol

And I agree with your sensible outlook!

Is the other bigoted and stupid goats I despair of! No surrender and all that shite!

So people are bigoted as they don't share the same view as you might ?

The definition of sectarianism is bigotry or hatred.

I and I would presume everyone here has heard it from both sides of marchers. Personally I have heard it a helluva lot in my life.

It's not a sectarian march tho

hatred ? Come on we all get on with each other over here ie Protestants and . I'm good friends with a few Catholics one even went to the parade on sat he didn't get offended by it. As. "

I'm good friends with a few Catholics - fuck me, that says it all!!

Whatever religion, colour, creed, gender or sexual orientation someone is should not fucking matter. The fact that you highlight it shows you are a bigot!

And let's get back to the simple fact that that march is about Protestant triumphalism over Catholicism. Is hate - plain and simple - reincarnated and perpetuated by idiots.

And I'd ban republican marches too - even though they are political and not sectarian. They are just unnecessary.

For those that are proud to march and celebrate, would they walk into a pub they did not know wearing their garb and whistling their tunes (or their workplaces for that matter). The answer is no. In the pub they would be slapped and at work sacked.

So as I said before, is history. Get a grip and move on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Get a grip, grow up and look forward

I'm very grown up thanks. lol

And I agree with your sensible outlook!

Is the other bigoted and stupid goats I despair of! No surrender and all that shite!

So people are bigoted as they don't share the same view as you might ?

The definition of sectarianism is bigotry or hatred.

I and I would presume everyone here has heard it from both sides of marchers. Personally I have heard it a helluva lot in my life.

It's not a sectarian march tho

hatred ? Come on we all get on with each other over here ie Protestants and . I'm good friends with a few Catholics one even went to the parade on sat he didn't get offended by it. As.

I'm good friends with a few Catholics - fuck me, that says it all!!

Whatever religion, colour, creed, gender or sexual orientation someone is should not fucking matter. The fact that you highlight it shows you are a bigot!

And let's get back to the simple fact that that march is about Protestant triumphalism over Catholicism. Is hate - plain and simple - reincarnated and perpetuated by idiots.

And I'd ban republican marches too - even though they are political and not sectarian. They are just unnecessary.

So as I said before, is history. Get a grip and move on

Comparing the orange order marches to republican marches just shows how little you know. They aren't even close

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not a sectarian march tho

hatred ? Come on we all get on with each other over here ie Protestants and Catholics. I'm good friends with a few Catholics one even went to the parade on sat he didn't get offended by it. As. "

If the marches are not sectarian please explain to me why they march round a the streets in a prominently a catholic area starting at 7:30am banging there drum. Why not just wait and march through Stirling town ctr at 12 noon

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"hate is a very very strong word.....

the aggression....politics, hatred, word usage and contorvacy in this post and the other thread about this subject says it all on the subject..........

So true think I will give these sort of threads a miss from now on"

definitely true....

its obvious

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not a sectarian march tho

hatred ? Come on we all get on with each other over here ie Protestants and Catholics. I'm good friends with a few Catholics one even went to the parade on sat he didn't get offended by it. As.

Well for a parade the size of it you would find it very hard to just start at the town centre with 8000 people playing. Also if it was just going through the high street there would be health and safety issues as the spectators trying to cram thereselfs in to see it. So staring in a park going to another park is the best way. A public park I may add which is for the public and that means all of us. Everyone in the rappoch isn't catholic there were a good few out on balconys watching it go by. Was there any incidents going through this ? I didn't see any.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And let's get back to the simple fact that that march is about Protestant triumphalism over Catholicism. Is hate - plain and simple - reincarnated and perpetuated by idiots.

And I'd ban republican marches too - even though they are political and not sectarian. They are just unnecessary.

When I seen someone called 'Scottybhoy' I knew the comment would be a belter.

So let me get this right:

Protestant march - sectarian undertones and bad.

Republican march glorifying terrorist organisations - political and judging by that term you used, should be considered OK.

Nae bother pal.

Personally, I would never follow any march. Put simply - it's an embarrassment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Should trooping the colour match be banned aswell ? Clearly heard the Irish guards play the sash in this years parade.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

mark if you were at the march that automatically shows your an idiot. defending it proves you are

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
Forum Mod

These sort of threads never seem to bring out the nicer sides to people and do nothing but cause aggravation so time to close this

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