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over a year ago
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If it was to happen on Thursday it only shows that Hollyrood are as incompetent as Westminster.
For almost 4 weeks now the central belt has been under tighter restrictions and as of today the new tier system has came into effect so to go into lockdown 3 days after shows that the previous 4 and a half weeks have been pointless, how can anyone say Scot Gov are doing a great job when they won’t tackle the rule breakers and don’t find their new system a chance to prove itself. |
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Vast areas of Scotland no where near Tier 4 and needing lockdown, but there’s a sniff of some pound notes from Westminster and the opportunity to manufacture yet more grievance, so get back in yer hoose.
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"No way is it happening this week watch this space "
I would 100 percent agree with you except for one thing ,Her emphasis was on furlough and the professor from Scottish health saying best to lockdown now whilst financial support available, I'm in shock we in tier1 and tier4 will kill my town quicker than covid would |
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"seems to just be a power game, i expect scotlands lockdown will commence a week after englands lockdown. "
^this^
Nicola is out of ideas. I think Farage has the right idea - lock down the vulnerable only. |
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"seems to just be a power game, i expect scotlands lockdown will commence a week after englands lockdown.
^this^
Nicola is out of ideas. I think Farage has the right idea - lock down the vulnerable only."
Yes. I agree with this too. |
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I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
I also believe we should follow Poland and only lockdown the elderly and at risk as this lockdown could last to spring. Instead of paying billions on furlough spend it on looking after the locked down elderly and at risk |
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"As it seems it’s the younger generation that is spreading it and not adhering to rules
Why not lock them down instead of hitting the elder folk who adhere to rules "
The young ones always get the blame. Plenty adults misbehaving too. |
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"As it seems it’s the younger generation that is spreading it and not adhering to rules
Why not lock them down instead of hitting the elder folk who adhere to rules "
Yes the younger generation are spreading it. Schools are one of the biggest spreaders and a lot of young people don’t show any effects of the virus. Are you suggesting we close schools and lockdown kids rather than isolate elderly? Over 70s are more likely to require hospital treatment if they contract the virus |
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Sounds less likely after tonight's news that furlough would be paid now OR future if full lockdown required.
The notion that it's all those naughty teenagers and twenties spreading is also been shown not to be the case. |
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Close the schools and universities, some expert was on the radio earlier saying 53% of recent cases in the uk came from places of learning, 250,000 people had gone through a london restaurant/bar chain since reopening and not one case was tracked to them, it ain't rocket science. |
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"Close the schools and universities, some expert was on the radio earlier saying 53% of recent cases in the uk came from places of learning, 250,000 people had gone through a london restaurant/bar chain since reopening and not one case was tracked to them, it ain't rocket science."
Closing schools is not the answer either as these children and young adults would still be allowed in supermarkets. Everybody is blaming everybody but the truth of the matter is that until there is a vaccine covid will spread. |
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over a year ago
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I don't know what the answer is.
But I do know a hell of a lot of very vulnerable children get some respite at school from a chaotic and unsafe homelife.
Those were actually the first people I thought of when the schools closed back in March. |
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"I really don't think lockdown is the solution and closing schools is catastrophic and should be avoided"
As was proven with the first lockdown that lockdowns don’t work all over. It only delays the inevitable. |
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I blame stupidity for the whole covid farce.
We hear there's a killer virus in China
Tens of thousands are allowed to fly to the UK from
China
The virus becomes a pandemic in the uk ,
We split into our own we separated rules so we can show how good we are separately
Nobody knows wtf they can and can't do
Instead of closing everything for 3 weeks we hope people do the right thing and pay them too,
The fulough scheme should never have been.
Rules should have been vigorously enforced from the outset.
The minute cases started rising again , 3 week lockdown again
People would quickly get the message, breaking the rules meant heavy fines and ultimately back to lockdown, you would have shopped your neighbours if it meant avoiding another 3 week lockdown.
Eat out to help out , yeah fuckin right, let's pay people to fill restraints and pubs , joke
Instantly sack any politician for rule breaking as gross misconduct, risking co workers lives.
The whole of the last 8 months have been a series of softly softly mamby pamby fuck ups from ALL political leaders.
In my humble opinion
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I don't think it's fair to blame the government. They don't have the resources to enforce the rules fully. I think they have made their position quite clear, and the rest is down to individuals not being selfish twats ?? |
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"seems to just be a power game, i expect scotlands lockdown will commence a week after englands lockdown.
^this^
Nicola is out of ideas. I think Farage has the right idea - lock down the vulnerable only."
Don’t like Farage but agree with the idea |
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"seems to just be a power game, i expect scotlands lockdown will commence a week after englands lockdown.
^this^
Nicola is out of ideas. I think Farage has the right idea - lock down the vulnerable only.
Don’t like Farage but agree with the idea "
Sorry but that's just impossible. What are you gonna do? Brand people? I'm 35, and you wouldn't know it to look at me but I'm vulnerable. What about everyone with Asthma? diabetes? heart conditions? obesity? transplants? The elderly? People with allergies and intolerances? The immunocompromised? Then on top of that you need to lockdown all their families? Just completely impossible to control.
Even then, you don't have to have any of these issues to catch it and evidence is pointing to potential long lasting effects if you do, including death no matter how healthy you are.
I know everyone's tired of lockdown but it keeps everyone safe and the anti mask bullshit being peddled by Farage is as bad as his Brexit bullshit.
The mistake here was listening to Farage |
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"I really don't think lockdown is the solution and closing schools is catastrophic and should be avoided
As was proven with the first lockdown that lockdowns don’t work all over. It only delays the inevitable. "
Also, that's the exact point of the lockdown. Remember flatten the curve? If the NHS gets overwhelmed a hell of a lot more people are going to die. |
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"I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
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Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross cleared this up, his comments in Westminster last night forced the PM to give in and allow furlough to all nations as and when needed.
egg on the face for snp. |
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"I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross cleared this up, his comments in Westminster last night forced the PM to give in and allow furlough to all nations as and when needed.
egg on the face for snp."
Did you actually believe that pantomime act ? |
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"I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross cleared this up, his comments in Westminster last night forced the PM to give in and allow furlough to all nations as and when needed.
egg on the face for snp.
Did you actually believe that pantomime act ? "
hopefully it will persuade our Scottish Parliament & Nicola to leave things as they are in Scotland without full shut down, I guess we will know today at 12.15 on bbc radio scotland |
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"I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross cleared this up, his comments in Westminster last night forced the PM to give in and allow furlough to all nations as and when needed.
egg on the face for snp.
Did you actually believe that pantomime act ?
hopefully it will persuade our Scottish Parliament & Nicola to leave things as they are in Scotland without full shut down, I guess we will know today at 12.15 on bbc radio scotland"
I guess we will after Robert Jenricks words on sky news this morning. Available until 2nd December, as said, yesterday was a badly acted pantomime. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If we do its typical sturgeon trying to point score and outwit the conservatives for zero scientific evidence. Just introduces a new fancy all singin all dancing tier system of the back of special detailed scientific evidence that we must obey, then bins it because boris has done something MORE cautious. Yawn. Meanwhile businesses fail. When will people stop voting for an inept socialist party of idiots .. |
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"I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross cleared this up, his comments in Westminster last night forced the PM to give in and allow furlough to all nations as and when needed.
egg on the face for snp.
Did you actually believe that pantomime act ?
hopefully it will persuade our Scottish Parliament & Nicola to leave things as they are in Scotland without full shut down, I guess we will know today at 12.15 on bbc radio scotland
I guess we will after Robert Jenricks words on sky news this morning. Available until 2nd December, as said, yesterday was a badly acted pantomime. "
Jenricks said it would be a decision for the Chancellor to make, not that 2nd December ends all furlough
Nobody in Scotland was even considering lockdown again until the smell of free money arrived. You make a lockdown decision _ased on public health needs supported by science. Not because someone is going to pay you to do so. |
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"I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross cleared this up, his comments in Westminster last night forced the PM to give in and allow furlough to all nations as and when needed.
egg on the face for snp.
Did you actually believe that pantomime act ?
hopefully it will persuade our Scottish Parliament & Nicola to leave things as they are in Scotland without full shut down, I guess we will know today at 12.15 on bbc radio scotland
I guess we will after Robert Jenricks words on sky news this morning. Available until 2nd December, as said, yesterday was a badly acted pantomime.
Jenricks said it would be a decision for the Chancellor to make, not that 2nd December ends all furlough
Nobody in Scotland was even considering lockdown again until the smell of free money arrived. You make a lockdown decision _ased on public health needs supported by science. Not because someone is going to pay you to do so. "
But if there’s a choice go off now and get cash for it and hopefully be able to work and earn just before Christmas or go off next month and not get any money right before Christmas I think most folk would rather go off now and hope the gamble plays off |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'd rather be put into a lockdown now. Then at least have some chance that I can see my parents at Xmas than wait another few weeks before she decides what to do. I've had alot of trust in Nicola sturgeon up until now. The difference between 80% and 66% is a massive difference to most and if people in Scotland don't get the higher furloghed amount because she's dragged her heels then I can't imagine she'll be very popular. No matter what we will be back in lockdown sooner or later to help the NHS cope. Winter illnesses already use alot of beds without the added pressure this year. |
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"I blame stupidity for the whole covid farce.
We hear there's a killer virus in China
Tens of thousands are allowed to fly to the UK from
China
The virus becomes a pandemic in the uk ,
We split into our own we separated rules so we can show how good we are separately
Nobody knows wtf they can and can't do
Instead of closing everything for 3 weeks we hope people do the right thing and pay them too,
The fulough scheme should never have been.
Rules should have been vigorously enforced from the outset.
The minute cases started rising again , 3 week lockdown again
People would quickly get the message, breaking the rules meant heavy fines and ultimately back to lockdown, you would have shopped your neighbours if it meant avoiding another 3 week lockdown.
Eat out to help out , yeah fuckin right, let's pay people to fill restraints and pubs , joke
Instantly sack any politician for rule breaking as gross misconduct, risking co workers lives.
The whole of the last 8 months have been a series of softly softly mamby pamby fuck ups from ALL political leaders.
In my humble opinion
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Zest for Life for PM! |
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"I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross cleared this up, his comments in Westminster last night forced the PM to give in and allow furlough to all nations as and when needed.
egg on the face for snp.
Did you actually believe that pantomime act ?
hopefully it will persuade our Scottish Parliament & Nicola to leave things as they are in Scotland without full shut down, I guess we will know today at 12.15 on bbc radio scotland
I guess we will after Robert Jenricks words on sky news this morning. Available until 2nd December, as said, yesterday was a badly acted pantomime.
Jenricks said it would be a decision for the Chancellor to make, not that 2nd December ends all furlough
Nobody in Scotland was even considering lockdown again until the smell of free money arrived. You make a lockdown decision _ased on public health needs supported by science. Not because someone is going to pay you to do so. "
Free money ? you do realise we will be paying it back for years to come ? So its fair for England only to receive furlough and to hell with the with the rest of the UK, after all it will be the whole UK that will be repaying it. |
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"I blame stupidity for the whole covid farce.
We hear there's a killer virus in China
Tens of thousands are allowed to fly to the UK from
China
The virus becomes a pandemic in the uk ,
We split into our own we separated rules so we can show how good we are separately
Nobody knows wtf they can and can't do
Instead of closing everything for 3 weeks we hope people do the right thing and pay them too,
The fulough scheme should never have been.
Rules should have been vigorously enforced from the outset.
The minute cases started rising again , 3 week lockdown again
People would quickly get the message, breaking the rules meant heavy fines and ultimately back to lockdown, you would have shopped your neighbours if it meant avoiding another 3 week lockdown.
Eat out to help out , yeah fuckin right, let's pay people to fill restraints and pubs , joke
Instantly sack any politician for rule breaking as gross misconduct, risking co workers lives.
The whole of the last 8 months have been a series of softly softly mamby pamby fuck ups from ALL political leaders.
In my humble opinion
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Apart from one or two wee issues I have to agree with your comments and views.  |
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"I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross cleared this up, his comments in Westminster last night forced the PM to give in and allow furlough to all nations as and when needed.
egg on the face for snp.
Did you actually believe that pantomime act ?
hopefully it will persuade our Scottish Parliament & Nicola to leave things as they are in Scotland without full shut down, I guess we will know today at 12.15 on bbc radio scotland
I guess we will after Robert Jenricks words on sky news this morning. Available until 2nd December, as said, yesterday was a badly acted pantomime.
Jenricks said it would be a decision for the Chancellor to make, not that 2nd December ends all furlough
Nobody in Scotland was even considering lockdown again until the smell of free money arrived. You make a lockdown decision _ased on public health needs supported by science. Not because someone is going to pay you to do so.
But if there’s a choice go off now and get cash for it and hopefully be able to work and earn just before Christmas or go off next month and not get any money right before Christmas I think most folk would rather go off now and hope the gamble plays off "
That’s nothing to do with public health then |
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"I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross cleared this up, his comments in Westminster last night forced the PM to give in and allow furlough to all nations as and when needed.
egg on the face for snp.
Did you actually believe that pantomime act ?
hopefully it will persuade our Scottish Parliament & Nicola to leave things as they are in Scotland without full shut down, I guess we will know today at 12.15 on bbc radio scotland
I guess we will after Robert Jenricks words on sky news this morning. Available until 2nd December, as said, yesterday was a badly acted pantomime.
Jenricks said it would be a decision for the Chancellor to make, not that 2nd December ends all furlough
Nobody in Scotland was even considering lockdown again until the smell of free money arrived. You make a lockdown decision _ased on public health needs supported by science. Not because someone is going to pay you to do so.
Free money ? you do realise we will be paying it back for years to come ? So its fair for England only to receive furlough and to hell with the with the rest of the UK, after all it will be the whole UK that will be repaying it."
Who said only England will receive it? If they do, then it should generate money for Scotland regardless, due to the Barnett formula. |
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"I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross cleared this up, his comments in Westminster last night forced the PM to give in and allow furlough to all nations as and when needed.
egg on the face for snp.
Did you actually believe that pantomime act ?
hopefully it will persuade our Scottish Parliament & Nicola to leave things as they are in Scotland without full shut down, I guess we will know today at 12.15 on bbc radio scotland
I guess we will after Robert Jenricks words on sky news this morning. Available until 2nd December, as said, yesterday was a badly acted pantomime.
Jenricks said it would be a decision for the Chancellor to make, not that 2nd December ends all furlough
Nobody in Scotland was even considering lockdown again until the smell of free money arrived. You make a lockdown decision _ased on public health needs supported by science. Not because someone is going to pay you to do so.
Free money ? you do realise we will be paying it back for years to come ? So its fair for England only to receive furlough and to hell with the with the rest of the UK, after all it will be the whole UK that will be repaying it.
Who said only England will receive it? If they do, then it should generate money for Scotland regardless, due to the Barnett formula. "
Did they pay 80% to Wales and Northern Ireland for their circuit breaks ..i.e mini lockdown .... no that only became available when England decided to lockdown. |
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"seems to just be a power game, i expect scotlands lockdown will commence a week after englands lockdown.
^this^
Nicola is out of ideas. I think Farage has the right idea - lock down the vulnerable only.
Don’t like Farage but agree with the idea
Sorry but that's just impossible. What are you gonna do? Brand people? I'm 35, and you wouldn't know it to look at me but I'm vulnerable. What about everyone with Asthma? diabetes? heart conditions? obesity? transplants? The elderly? People with allergies and intolerances? The immunocompromised? Then on top of that you need to lockdown all their families? Just completely impossible to control.
Even then, you don't have to have any of these issues to catch it and evidence is pointing to potential long lasting effects if you do, including death no matter how healthy you are.
I know everyone's tired of lockdown but it keeps everyone safe and the anti mask bullshit being peddled by Farage is as bad as his Brexit bullshit.
The mistake here was listening to Farage"
Most of those currently in hospital or those who have died should have been shielding/shielded. I know a few who vulnerable people aren't bothering their arse which pisses me off.
Yes, a few without any (known) vulnerabilities suffer badly/die but this is a tiny percentage. Not enough to justify full lockdown.
The point is that the money spent on locking everyone down should be spent helping the vulnerable to shield. Everyone else can get back to normal and stop businesses closing, pay much needed taxes and not cost the governments any more money.
Anyone that is vulnerable and not doing everything possible to protect themselves and therefore overloading the NHS is just selfish.
Yeah, it's shit for the vulnerable but at the moment it is shit for everyone and it's still better for the vulnerable if the non-vulnerable are back working.
I didn't hear Farage talking about not wearing masks, if he did say that then he is an idiot, even if they end lockdown for the non-vulnerable, we all still have a duty to do whatever we can to keep infections down. |
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"Anyone that is vulnerable and not doing everything possible to protect themselves and therefore overloading the NHS is just selfish"
What is that apart from those who you decree aren't vulnerable ignoring guidance rules and doing nothing to stop the NHS being overloaded. That isn't selfish as you state, that's bloody criminal. |
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"seems to just be a power game, i expect scotlands lockdown will commence a week after englands lockdown.
^this^
Nicola is out of ideas. I think Farage has the right idea - lock down the vulnerable only."
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"The point is that the money spent on locking everyone down should be spent helping the vulnerable to shield. Everyone else can get back to normal and stop businesses closing, pay much needed taxes and not cost the governments any more money.
Anyone that is vulnerable and not doing everything possible to protect themselves and therefore overloading the NHS is just selfish.
Yeah, it's shit for the vulnerable but at the moment it is shit for everyone and it's still better for the vulnerable if the non-vulnerable are back working.
I didn't hear Farage talking about not wearing masks, if he did say that then he is an idiot, even if they end lockdown for the non-vulnerable, we all still have a duty to do whatever we can to keep infections down."
I pretty extensively stated how that was a shit, unworkable idea but sure, try and do that.
How are you going to police that vulnerable people are staying home? How are you going to provide for them? What about their families? Kids? The weekly shop?
C'mon man. Absolutely useless. What is selfish is the People thinking they don't need a mask or wearing it below their nose or ignoring the effects. Fuck me. I'm so fucking tired of arguing about this. |
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"I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross cleared this up, his comments in Westminster last night forced the PM to give in and allow furlough to all nations as and when needed.
egg on the face for snp.
Did you actually believe that pantomime act ?
hopefully it will persuade our Scottish Parliament & Nicola to leave things as they are in Scotland without full shut down, I guess we will know today at 12.15 on bbc radio scotland
I guess we will after Robert Jenricks words on sky news this morning. Available until 2nd December, as said, yesterday was a badly acted pantomime.
Jenricks said it would be a decision for the Chancellor to make, not that 2nd December ends all furlough
Nobody in Scotland was even considering lockdown again until the smell of free money arrived. You make a lockdown decision _ased on public health needs supported by science. Not because someone is going to pay you to do so.
Free money ? you do realise we will be paying it back for years to come ? So its fair for England only to receive furlough and to hell with the with the rest of the UK, after all it will be the whole UK that will be repaying it.
Who said only England will receive it? If they do, then it should generate money for Scotland regardless, due to the Barnett formula.
Did they pay 80% to Wales and Northern Ireland for their circuit breaks ..i.e mini lockdown .... no that only became available when England decided to lockdown."
Because they’re 2 entirely different things and not full scale lockdown. |
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"Well from that press conference I’d say we’ll be in lockdown come Thursday."
will that be a Thursday in December? cause it aint going to happen in Scotland this Nov. |
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""The point is that the money spent on locking everyone down should be spent helping the vulnerable to shield. Everyone else can get back to normal and stop businesses closing, pay much needed taxes and not cost the governments any more money.
Anyone that is vulnerable and not doing everything possible to protect themselves and therefore overloading the NHS is just selfish.
Yeah, it's shit for the vulnerable but at the moment it is shit for everyone and it's still better for the vulnerable if the non-vulnerable are back working.
I didn't hear Farage talking about not wearing masks, if he did say that then he is an idiot, even if they end lockdown for the non-vulnerable, we all still have a duty to do whatever we can to keep infections down."
I pretty extensively stated how that was a shit, unworkable idea but sure, try and do that.
How are you going to police that vulnerable people are staying home? How are you going to provide for them? What about their families? Kids? The weekly shop?
C'mon man. Absolutely useless. What is selfish is the People thinking they don't need a mask or wearing it below their nose or ignoring the effects. Fuck me. I'm so fucking tired of arguing about this."
Jason Leitch and the Scottish Government advised Scotland not to wear masks, have you forgotton that
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Prof Leitch said that face coverings were helpful for health care workers as they are in close contact with infectious patients.
However he suggested the Scottish government would not advise the general population to wear masks.
He said: "There is a cultural tradition in Asia to do it. That is principally because they have had airborne viruses in the past.
"This virus is not airborne - it has to be spread by droplets - hence the social distancing, the hand-washing, but leave the masks to health care.
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By *sm265Woman
over a year ago
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""The point is that the money spent on locking everyone down should be spent helping the vulnerable to shield. Everyone else can get back to normal and stop businesses closing, pay much needed taxes and not cost the governments any more money.
Anyone that is vulnerable and not doing everything possible to protect themselves and therefore overloading the NHS is just selfish.
Yeah, it's shit for the vulnerable but at the moment it is shit for everyone and it's still better for the vulnerable if the non-vulnerable are back working.
I didn't hear Farage talking about not wearing masks, if he did say that then he is an idiot, even if they end lockdown for the non-vulnerable, we all still have a duty to do whatever we can to keep infections down."
I pretty extensively stated how that was a shit, unworkable idea but sure, try and do that.
How are you going to police that vulnerable people are staying home? How are you going to provide for them? What about their families? Kids? The weekly shop?
C'mon man. Absolutely useless. What is selfish is the People thinking they don't need a mask or wearing it below their nose or ignoring the effects. Fuck me. I'm so fucking tired of arguing about this.
Jason Leitch and the Scottish Government advised Scotland not to wear masks, have you forgotton that
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Prof Leitch said that face coverings were helpful for health care workers as they are in close contact with infectious patients.
However he suggested the Scottish government would not advise the general population to wear masks.
He said: "There is a cultural tradition in Asia to do it. That is principally because they have had airborne viruses in the past.
"This virus is not airborne - it has to be spread by droplets - hence the social distancing, the hand-washing, but leave the masks to health care.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52149139#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20the%20Scottish%20government%27s%20national%20clinical%20director,by%20healthcare%20workers%20and%20people%20who%20have%20coronavirus.
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He made those comments back at the beginning of April, could it be that they have actually learned more about the virus in that time? Plus, at that point, there was a dire shortage of PPE so they needed it for frontline workers.
Perhaps, if masks had been worn from the start, fewer people would have died. |
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""The point is that the money spent on locking everyone down should be spent helping the vulnerable to shield. Everyone else can get back to normal and stop businesses closing, pay much needed taxes and not cost the governments any more money.
Anyone that is vulnerable and not doing everything possible to protect themselves and therefore overloading the NHS is just selfish.
Yeah, it's shit for the vulnerable but at the moment it is shit for everyone and it's still better for the vulnerable if the non-vulnerable are back working.
I didn't hear Farage talking about not wearing masks, if he did say that then he is an idiot, even if they end lockdown for the non-vulnerable, we all still have a duty to do whatever we can to keep infections down."
I pretty extensively stated how that was a shit, unworkable idea but sure, try and do that.
How are you going to police that vulnerable people are staying home? How are you going to provide for them? What about their families? Kids? The weekly shop?
C'mon man. Absolutely useless. What is selfish is the People thinking they don't need a mask or wearing it below their nose or ignoring the effects. Fuck me. I'm so fucking tired of arguing about this.
Jason Leitch and the Scottish Government advised Scotland not to wear masks, have you forgotton that
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Prof Leitch said that face coverings were helpful for health care workers as they are in close contact with infectious patients.
However he suggested the Scottish government would not advise the general population to wear masks.
He said: "There is a cultural tradition in Asia to do it. That is principally because they have had airborne viruses in the past.
"This virus is not airborne - it has to be spread by droplets - hence the social distancing, the hand-washing, but leave the masks to health care.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52149139#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20the%20Scottish%20government%27s%20national%20clinical%20director,by%20healthcare%20workers%20and%20people%20who%20have%20coronavirus.
He made those comments back at the beginning of April, could it be that they have actually learned more about the virus in that time? Plus, at that point, there was a dire shortage of PPE so they needed it for frontline workers.
Perhaps, if masks had been worn from the start, fewer people would have died. "
I am not a lover of masks although do wear them. I see so many people going in and out of shops putting masks on then taking them off, constantly touching their faces i feel they actually do more harm than good. |
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"I think we could lockdown again but only to deter people in the south coming to Scotland for weekend breaks and Christmas shopping.
Boris gazumped we nippy and her arse must be twitching as all the other home nations are in lockdown. However she is to proud to go into lockdown straight way as it will look as if she is dancing to Westminster’s tune
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross cleared this up, his comments in Westminster last night forced the PM to give in and allow furlough to all nations as and when needed.
egg on the face for snp.
Did you actually believe that pantomime act ?
hopefully it will persuade our Scottish Parliament & Nicola to leave things as they are in Scotland without full shut down, I guess we will know today at 12.15 on bbc radio scotland
I guess we will after Robert Jenricks words on sky news this morning. Available until 2nd December, as said, yesterday was a badly acted pantomime.
Jenricks said it would be a decision for the Chancellor to make, not that 2nd December ends all furlough
Nobody in Scotland was even considering lockdown again until the smell of free money arrived. You make a lockdown decision _ased on public health needs supported by science. Not because someone is going to pay you to do so.
Free money ? you do realise we will be paying it back for years to come ? So its fair for England only to receive furlough and to hell with the with the rest of the UK, after all it will be the whole UK that will be repaying it.
Who said only England will receive it? If they do, then it should generate money for Scotland regardless, due to the Barnett formula.
Did they pay 80% to Wales and Northern Ireland for their circuit breaks ..i.e mini lockdown .... no that only became available when England decided to lockdown.
Because they’re 2 entirely different things and not full scale lockdown. "
Oh please.. Wales locked down for 2 weeks just because they renamed it doesnt mean it wasnt a lockdown. |
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Since mask wearing became compulsory in shops etc the r number has actually gone up. Maybe the initial advice the WHO and the SG gave about them was right. Plus they are an environmental disaster |
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"Since mask wearing became compulsory in shops etc the r number has actually gone up. Maybe the initial advice the WHO and the SG gave about them was right. Plus they are an environmental disaster "
Your username is very apt alongside that comment |
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"Since mask wearing became compulsory in shops etc the r number has actually gone up. Maybe the initial advice the WHO and the SG gave about them was right. Plus they are an environmental disaster
Your username is very apt alongside that comment "
Not really, I'm just looking at the statistics. If the r number had fallen during that period you would more than likely have linked that to mask wearing.
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Funny people slagging off about meeting if your child goes to school how many families are you interacting with on a daily basis all those children mixing Plus their parents and their social bubbles etc the list goes on the purpose of the levels are to minimise social interaction yet clearly doesn't either close everything or Nothing |
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"Really gutted that we are going into the severe lockdown again.
If only the selfish folk would just abide by the rules. Too many house parties going on. "
I think one of the main areas that need to be looked at is schools |
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"Really gutted that we are going into the severe lockdown again.
If only the selfish folk would just abide by the rules. Too many house parties going on. I think one of the main areas that need to be looked at is schools "
The same question has been asked by other party leaders.
It is therefore a gamble by NS . She has to be hopeful that the figures related to confirmed new cases decrease significantly over the next 3 weeks or so. If they continue or remain 'stubbornly high', especially when business's have lost revenue then it may prove that not shutting down the schools was a massive failing.  |
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"Really gutted that we are going into the severe lockdown again.
If only the selfish folk would just abide by the rules. Too many house parties going on. I think one of the main areas that need to be looked at is schools
The same question has been asked by other party leaders.
It is therefore a gamble by NS . She has to be hopeful that the figures related to confirmed new cases decrease significantly over the next 3 weeks or so. If they continue or remain 'stubbornly high', especially when business's have lost revenue then it may prove that not shutting down the schools was a massive failing. "
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"Really gutted that we are going into the severe lockdown again.
If only the selfish folk would just abide by the rules. Too many house parties going on. I think one of the main areas that need to be looked at is schools
The same question has been asked by other party leaders.
It is therefore a gamble by NS . She has to be hopeful that the figures related to confirmed new cases decrease significantly over the next 3 weeks or so. If they continue or remain 'stubbornly high', especially when business's have lost revenue then it may prove that not shutting down the schools was a massive failing. Totally agree "
The schools remained open in Midlothian and East Lothian, the trajectory is downwards hence the lower level from 3/2 on 24th
Let’s not forget the Swedish model so many were touting. Look what’s happening there now. |
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By *iimon OP Man
over a year ago
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This is doing the rounds on Facebook.
B&M staying open
Wickes staying open
B&Q staying open
All off licences staying open
Macdonald's Burger king and KFC staying open
All supermarkets staying open
All take aways staying open
Schools colleges universities staying open
PC world staying open
Curry's staying open
The Range
Dunelm
Mot testing stations
Auto centre's
Savers
Halfords
Majestic wines
Subway
Greggs
Costa coffee
Starbucks
Boots
Hobby craft
Pets at home
Next
M&S clothing
Carpet right
All staying open
Remind me again please about the rules of lockdown because the small independent businesses & Hospitality don’t understand! ??
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