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Will be interesting to see how Sturgeon reacts to this. She's always banging on about independence like her life depended on it and wants to hold a referendum as soon as possible. That makes sense in the middle of a pandemic but don't get me started on that subject.
If the Shetlands ask for a referendum will she grant one with no questions asked? |
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"Will be interesting to see how Sturgeon reacts to this. She's always banging on about independence like her life depended on it and wants to hold a referendum as soon as possible. That makes sense in the middle of a pandemic but don't get me started on that subject.
If the Shetlands ask for a referendum will she grant one with no questions asked? "
Wee nippy will kick and scream until she gets what SHE wants and have a hissy fit I would guess!! |
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over a year ago
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If Shetland went independent they would only have a sea boundary of 12 miles and within that range there's not much oil so it would be no big loss to Scotland |
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By *immm4uMan
over a year ago
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Also i have to say Boris is doing a great job in people wanting independence with his inept Government His handling of Covid and his Brexit strategy
He’s a liar and he hates Scotland
He’s the best recruiter we have |
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By *dlilbumCouple
over a year ago
Aviemore and regularly visit Glasgow |
Vote in pro Shetland independence candidates, then get a majority of Shetland residents to vote for independence in a referendum and they can have it.
That’s how democracy is supposed to work folks.  |
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"Why do you think they want to take Nicola off
It’s because she is doing such a good job compared to Boris
London wants to shut her up as the independence is gaining momentum "
Got to agree with this. This was my first thought when I saw the BBC were stopping all live coverage of the briefings. |
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"The BBC take their orders from London .
Nicola is far better than Blustering Boris
He’s a racist a liar and there is evidence to back my words up "
I think you could find evidence of most politicians being economical with the truth. I wouldn’t suggest he is racist though |
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"The BBC take their orders from London .
Nicola is far better than Blustering Boris
He’s a racist a liar and there is evidence to back my words up
I think you could find evidence of most politicians being economical with the truth. I wouldn’t suggest he is racist though "
its impossible to deny the guy is a bumbling idiot racist
but the reason nationalists lost the vote last time is the same reason they will again ... believe it or not there are not enough “anti english” nationalists ... more of us can actually see past party politics and bigotry and dont want to bankrupt our country so we can play braveheart oh the telly every night
boris will make it through a few terms at most, a referendum result is forever (unless they dont get the result they want of course and keep pushing for another  ) |
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"The BBC take their orders from London .
Nicola is far better than Blustering Boris
He’s a racist a liar and there is evidence to back my words up
I think you could find evidence of most politicians being economical with the truth. I wouldn’t suggest he is racist though
its impossible to deny the guy is a bumbling idiot racist
but the reason nationalists lost the vote last time is the same reason they will again ... believe it or not there are not enough “anti english” nationalists ... more of us can actually see past party politics and bigotry and dont want to bankrupt our country so we can play braveheart oh the telly every night
boris will make it through a few terms at most, a referendum result is forever (unless they dont get the result they want of course and keep pushing for another ) "
What nationalists fail to realise is that there’s no appetite for another referendum never mind independence as at the last general election more people in Scotland voted for unionist parties than nationalist parties.
That’s not me being a “Yoon” “Traitor” “nawbag” “moonhowler” “Tory bastard” or any other childish moronic insult that nationalists resort to when faced with facts that don’t suite their narrative, it’s a fact.
Opinion polls mean jack shit. Brexit, Trump and the last couple of GE are testament to that. |
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"In fact he has many racist and homophobic comments attributed to him
I suggest you search Boris Johnston Racist comments
Then tell me he’s not racist "
I have no appetite to search for anything like that. I’m sure everyone has said things in the past or done things that may not be politically correct it doesn’t mean they are intentional racists.
Anyway prime ministers and ruling political parties change, independence would be permanent so my opinion on whether we should be part of the union or not wouldn’t be based on the current ruling party. I think that’s pretty short sighted |
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By *immm4uMan
over a year ago
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It’s amazing how many people would rather be ruled from London .
Tories have been in power for most of my adult life but Scotland hasn’t voted for them in my lifetime
Small countries all over the world manage no problem .
They make decisions that affect Them not others telling them what to do .
Ireland Finland Norway Denmark come to mind British Imperial rule is over Worldwide
Brittania rules no more
But the sheep still let the millionaire public schoolboys run the show up here
Wanting independence has absolutely nothing to do with being Anti English in fact i know a few English people that live here that voted for it
It is about being a fairer society not the rich greedy society that is happening nowadays
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its also also interesting naive to believe that only westminister politicians are capable of being rich public school types ... wealthy , often corrupt and greedy career politicians exist the world over |
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By *ugehandsMan
over a year ago
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Its also interesting naive to believe that only westminister politicians are capable of being rich public school types ... wealthy , often corrupt and greedy career politicians exist the world over
Precisely, Ian Blackford seems to have a number of jobs away from being an MP while eRning millions for a telecoms company that was recently sold, despite describing himself as a poor crofter.
But I'm sure he is still a socialist at heart though |
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"You can always tell when a politician is lying - Their lip move
BUT
How many of you complainers have the balls to stand for election, & then we can all see how well you do in the job"
So the public have no right to criticise politicians until they've been in office themselves?
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"It’s amazing how many people would rather be ruled from London .
Tories have been in power for most of my adult life but Scotland hasn’t voted for them in my lifetime
Small countries all over the world manage no problem .
They make decisions that affect Them not others telling them what to do .
Ireland Finland Norway Denmark come to mind British Imperial rule is over Worldwide
Brittania rules no more
But the sheep still let the millionaire public schoolboys run the show up here
Wanting independence has absolutely nothing to do with being Anti English in fact i know a few English people that live here that voted for it
It is about being a fairer society not the rich greedy society that is happening nowadays
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Whether we are ruled from Brussels, London or Edinburgh there will always be rich people, people from privileged backgrounds and millionaire privately educated people.
There are votes that don’t go the way I voted and there will be in the future. I’m not arrogant enough to believe that my view is correct. It’s correct for me and my way of life but not everyone’s. I’m not a bigot and I’m open to other people’s opinions and beliefs. Pushing your views on people and calling them sheep is not the actions of a tolerant scot claiming they want a fairer society. |
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"Have you forgotten he called muslim woman Letterboxes because of their dress and head covering
And you say he’s not Racist !!!"
That is hardly the signs of a dedicated racist!! Clutching at straws there. |
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"Agree Boris is an idiot but is Nicola much better even the bbc are fed up of her now stopping her party political speeches everyday "
I think that the BBC looked at viewing figures and decided that we didn't need The Nicola Sturgeon Show on 5 days a week as she was frequently interviewed again at night on the news.
It certainly gave the grievance monkeys in the independence movement another conspiracy theory to work on that big, bad Westminster had curtailed the Supreme Leader's daily broadcast. |
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" Its also interesting naive to believe that only westminister politicians are capable of being rich public school types ... wealthy , often corrupt and greedy career politicians exist the world over
Precisely, Ian Blackford seems to have a number of jobs away from being an MP while eRning millions for a telecoms company that was recently sold, despite describing himself as a poor crofter.
But I'm sure he is still a socialist at heart though"
He's secretly grateful for a Tory victory so he could sell his shares for a 7 figure sum. Had Labour won then his shares would have been worthless.
He has 5 jobs in total. |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"Have you forgotten he called muslim woman Letterboxes because of their dress and head covering
And you say he’s not Racist !!!
That is hardly the signs of a dedicated racist!! Clutching at straws there."
Just a casual racist then |
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"Have you forgotten he called muslim woman Letterboxes because of their dress and head covering
And you say he’s not Racist !!!
That is hardly the signs of a dedicated racist!! Clutching at straws there.
Just a casual racist then "
Everyone is guilty of drawing conclusions based on what they look like from someone with fluorescent hair to a plus sized person.
What about all the comedians who have referred to the kilt as a skirt. Are they casual racists as well? |
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By *bzsissyTV/TS
over a year ago
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"If Shetland went independent they would only have a sea boundary of 12 miles and within that range there's not much oil so it would be no big loss to Scotland "
Are all the oilfields within 12 miles of the coast of mainland Scotland??? At least half of the UK sector of the northern North Sea oilfields are closer to Shetland than the mainland. |
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"if you want people to believe your motivation isnt anti english, might be helpful to have less rants about “london” in your posts "
Couldn't have said it any better myself , these day dream believers just bang on about hatred for England its getting boring now |
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"if you want people to believe your motivation isnt anti english, might be helpful to have less rants about “london” in your posts
Couldn't have said it any better myself , these day dream believers just bang on about hatred for England its getting boring now "
Anytime they are presented with facts and figures the overwhelming general response is along the lines of “aye but look how bad it is in England” |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm an SNP voter,
The only reason I vote for them is purely for Independence.
If that was to be achieved then I would more than likely vote for a different party in an Independent country.
I don't hate the English, you get good and bad everywhere in the world wether it is in your street, a different street, in another neighborhood, town, city and then countries.
The ironic thing is, it's actually our fault as much as theirs that we are united.
We are a divided country full stop and that's the real problem.
However, the Green party also gives me the option to vote for an other party that backs Independence. (Still seriously considering this)
Anti anybody is boring and dated, English lives matter too |
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"It’s amazing how many people would rather be ruled from London .
Tories have been in power for most of my adult life but Scotland hasn’t voted for them in my lifetime
Small countries all over the world manage no problem .
They make decisions that affect Them not others telling them what to do .
Ireland Finland Norway Denmark come to mind British Imperial rule is over Worldwide
Brittania rules no more
But the sheep still let the millionaire public schoolboys run the show up here
Wanting independence has absolutely nothing to do with being Anti English in fact i know a few English people that live here that voted for it
It is about being a fairer society not the rich greedy society that is happening nowadays
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As soon as independence is voted in, we’ll
Be back under the ruling of the EU so we’re not better off making our own ‘decisions’.
I voted yes last time and accepted that the majority wanted to stay united. I’ll be voting no this time and hopefully it’ll be the end of it for a generation at least.
What if everyone voted yes, we left and the next party voted in wanted to unite again ? Lost the first vote and pushed again for another would seem a bit pointless.
My local area is mainly farming and always votes in favor of Tory. I’m certain last time the area was majority No as well. |
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"Can’t Wait for Scotland to be independent
Get rid of Boris and his corrupt pals forever "
Scotland cannot afford to be independant. Who's been paying the bills during this pandemic?? Certainly not the snatzis or the Scottish parliament. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Worked up shetlands a few times and these islands have wanted independence for years hope some day they get their wish and fed up with sturgeon seeking independence for Scotland , better all sticking together as a union. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" What if everyone voted yes, we left and the next party voted in wanted to unite again ? Lost the first vote and pushed again for another would seem a bit pointless.
My local area is mainly farming and always votes in favor of Tory. I’m certain last time the area was majority No as well. "
Yip surely there would be a unite vote as that’s how democracy works right?
I love that Ireland was given as an example of how independence would work. Massive unemployment rate, one of the highest national debt and homelessness increasing rapidly
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"Can’t Wait for Scotland to be independent
Get rid of Boris and his corrupt pals forever
Scotland cannot afford to be independant. Who's been paying the bills during this pandemic?? Certainly not the snatzis or the Scottish parliament. "
What utter garbage. And comparing people to Nazis shows is a scummy thing to do.
Where did you get your degree in economics? Seriously, Scotland can’t work without England’s‘subsidy’. You realise Scottish assets and tax make up the ‘pot? How about Scotland has full control of her assets and finances rather than Eton silver spoon millionaires?
You should be ashamed of your nazi comment.
Utterly abhorrent.
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Some nasty bigots in this thread, throwing out criticism of Westminster as anti-English and comparing SNP to nazis?
Thank goodness Westminster hasn’t wasted any of that money so they can afford to bale out poor old Scotland eh? Parcel of rogues indeed.
Shameful. I’m out. |
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"The BBC take their orders from London .
Nicola is far better than Blustering Boris
He’s a racist a liar and there is evidence to back my words up
I think you could find evidence of most politicians being economical with the truth. I wouldn’t suggest he is racist though
its impossible to deny the guy is a bumbling idiot racist
but the reason nationalists lost the vote last time is the same reason they will again ... believe it or not there are not enough “anti english” nationalists ... more of us can actually see past party politics and bigotry and dont want to bankrupt our country so we can play braveheart oh the telly every night
boris will make it through a few terms at most, a referendum result is forever (unless they dont get the result they want of course and keep pushing for another )
What nationalists fail to realise is that there’s no appetite for another referendum never mind independence as at the last general election more people in Scotland voted for unionist parties than nationalist parties.
That’s not me being a “Yoon” “Traitor” “nawbag” “moonhowler” “Tory bastard” or any other childish moronic insult that nationalists resort to when faced with facts that don’t suite their narrative, it’s a fact.
Opinion polls mean jack shit. Brexit, Trump and the last couple of GE are testament to that."
No appetite? How do you get that then? By ignoring the polls? Ah, I see. What’s that about ‘suiting narrative’?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The BBC take their orders from London .
Nicola is far better than Blustering Boris
He’s a racist a liar and there is evidence to back my words up
I think you could find evidence of most politicians being economical with the truth. I wouldn’t suggest he is racist though
its impossible to deny the guy is a bumbling idiot racist
but the reason nationalists lost the vote last time is the same reason they will again ... believe it or not there are not enough “anti english” nationalists ... more of us can actually see past party politics and bigotry and dont want to bankrupt our country so we can play braveheart oh the telly every night
boris will make it through a few terms at most, a referendum result is forever (unless they dont get the result they want of course and keep pushing for another )
What nationalists fail to realise is that there’s no appetite for another referendum never mind independence as at the last general election more people in Scotland voted for unionist parties than nationalist parties.
That’s not me being a “Yoon” “Traitor” “nawbag” “moonhowler” “Tory bastard” or any other childish moronic insult that nationalists resort to when faced with facts that don’t suite their narrative, it’s a fact.
Opinion polls mean jack shit. Brexit, Trump and the last couple of GE are testament to that.
No appetite? How do you get that then? By ignoring the polls? Ah, I see. What’s that about ‘suiting narrative’? "
He explained what he meant by comparing figures of the last election. It looks like it’s your narrative that isn’t being suited.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some nasty bigots in this thread, throwing out criticism of Westminster as anti-English and comparing SNP to nazis?
Thank goodness Westminster hasn’t wasted any of that money so they can afford to bale out poor old Scotland eh? Parcel of rogues indeed.
Shameful. I’m out."
i hope that wasnt aimed at me... the poster i was talking to never said a word about “westminister” read his posts its always london this england that which is what i called out as bigotry ... being intolerant of bigotry doesnt in turn make you a bigot  ... and i also agree the nazie comments are low and unnecessary... part of the problem with all levels of politics in the country ( including the union) is its a race to the lowest level of intellectual debate ... descends into nothing but a slanging match every time |
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"The BBC take their orders from London .
Nicola is far better than Blustering Boris
He’s a racist a liar and there is evidence to back my words up
I think you could find evidence of most politicians being economical with the truth. I wouldn’t suggest he is racist though
its impossible to deny the guy is a bumbling idiot racist
but the reason nationalists lost the vote last time is the same reason they will again ... believe it or not there are not enough “anti english” nationalists ... more of us can actually see past party politics and bigotry and dont want to bankrupt our country so we can play braveheart oh the telly every night
boris will make it through a few terms at most, a referendum result is forever (unless they dont get the result they want of course and keep pushing for another )
What nationalists fail to realise is that there’s no appetite for another referendum never mind independence as at the last general election more people in Scotland voted for unionist parties than nationalist parties.
That’s not me being a “Yoon” “Traitor” “nawbag” “moonhowler” “Tory bastard” or any other childish moronic insult that nationalists resort to when faced with facts that don’t suite their narrative, it’s a fact.
Opinion polls mean jack shit. Brexit, Trump and the last couple of GE are testament to that.
No appetite? How do you get that then? By ignoring the polls? Ah, I see. What’s that about ‘suiting narrative’? "
For the hard of thinking.
As I’ve stated in my op the only poll which matters is the official election. Opinions mean nothing but even more so recently due to how wrong they have been.
Do a quick bit of research and look at the number of votes cast for unionist and nationalist parties in the last general election. A majority of around a quarter of a million more votes for unionist parties. So, no, there isn’t any appetite for a another referendum. |
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By *immm4uMan
over a year ago
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The uk government has been borrowing the money which we all have to pay back .
Scotland does not have borrowing powers so relies on England for our subsidy .
As for the Shetland isles wanting to be independent well that a no chance because England will say NO
Wake up smell the coffee |
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By *k2nkCouple
over a year ago
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Wether the UK says no or not is really is not the big issue at the moment. The question everyone will want answered is will Nicola and the SNP back any call from the Shetlands to be independent or will they be part of the No campaign. |
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"Wether the UK says no or not is really is not the big issue at the moment. The question everyone will want answered is will Nicola and the SNP back any call from the Shetlands to be independent or will they be part of the No campaign."
They are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea with that question. If they refuse then Sturgeon will be seen as a hypocrite as she would be doing the same as Boris but if she agrees and they vote for independence then she will have broken up Scotland.
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I would love to be living in a land with competent Ministers..... We have yet to have one success in a devolved department...Health ?....Nope..Transport Thats another nope....Oh and my fave Transport.....God No....Education ?...I will stop,i am failing to see the logic in this SNP love in.  |
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Had a right laugh reading this thread. The snp gestapo getting a scheme booting here. Brilliant. Fantasy land dreamers. High on glue and watching braveheart. It really is laughable. Let's see when furlough ends in October. Scotland will become a wasteland with the gig economy going through the floor. Where's the £150M nic? A £38M secc hospital with no one in it. Or ever was in it! Education system broken and also laughable. Whay was that statement again And??? Judge me on Education!!! Aye well, yer judged. Beat it! And.... and....don't get me started on Minister MacKay. Tic toc... |
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Not looking good for Sturgeon and her directs at all this weather.
Corruption to the core. It’s getting more and like an episode of Emmerdale or dare I say it... 1930s Nazi Germany everyday. I bet they are delighted that Covid is supposedly taking hold again, while the public focuses on how to combat the virus in the background Mr and Mrs Murrel will continue to burn books and delete WhatsApp messages
Also in today’s news, former SNP high heidyin for Westminster claims the deaths of older people is what is needed for independence.
SNP Logic -
Care home deaths
Lower aged demographic on the electorate Independence
Go figure |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I would love to be living in an independent Scotland and not have clowns like Johnson, Handjob and Gove tell us how to run our country. We dont vote tory, so get these clowns to fuck."
Doesn’t sound very democratic
The majority of scotland don’t vote SNP either so who is it you want to run the country? |
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By *lixerMan
over a year ago
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To live in a nation/state is normal. The same as most every other country. What we, the Yessers, want is to be normal. No more, no less. Equal.
If the "precious union" worked, unionists might have a case. But it doesn't, it's awful. You can't halt the onward march to normality. It is coming and I think you all know it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Well said that man
"To live in a nation/state is normal. The same as most every other country. What we, the Yessers, want is to be normal. No more, no less. Equal.
If the "precious union" worked, unionists might have a case. But it doesn't, it's awful. You can't halt the onward march to normality. It is coming and I think you all know it. "
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Were already equal, your Brigadoon fantasies are not selling this . Equal voting rights.? Equal legal rights? Equal access to education? Equal access to social care/freedom of speech
Just how are we not equal? We already are a separate nation.Unlike some I am not some downtrodden victim whose sense of grievance is as large as there inferiority complex is. |
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"To live in a nation/state is normal. The same as most every other country. What we, the Yessers, want is to be normal. No more, no less. Equal.
If the "precious union" worked, unionists might have a case. But it doesn't, it's awful. You can't halt the onward march to normality. It is coming and I think you all know it. "
Lol nationalist optimism. |
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"Brigadoon - top level debating here I see
Imagine being happy to be governed by an Eton educated Tory than electing your own government !! "
Who mentioned being happy. I would love a cabinet clear out of the drivel thats currently running the country.
I still don't want Scotland to fail pretending it can sustain itself as seperate nation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Were already equal, your Brigadoon fantasies are not selling this . Equal voting rights.? Equal legal rights? Equal access to education? Equal access to social care/freedom of speech
Just how are we not equal? We already are a separate nation.Unlike some I am not some downtrodden victim whose sense of grievance is as large as there inferiority complex is."
Actually we're not equal on education, we are better off on education as it is, our young people get to go to universities and not pay tuition fees for the rest of their lives unlike other parts of the uk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Every time I hear the Independence debate come up the one thing that always goes to the top of my questions. Do I want to be governed by people 500 miles away in another country,who couldnt care less or not.Take away the Financial bit I would gladly pay another however many thousands in tax to be rid of the Tories and Scots be in charge of Scotland.
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"Every time I hear the Independence debate come up the one thing that always goes to the top of my questions. Do I want to be governed by people 500 miles away in another country,who couldnt care less or not.Take away the Financial bit I would gladly pay another however many thousands in tax to be rid of the Tories and Scots be in charge of Scotland.
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see that sounds alot to me like paying for the privilege of being bitter
ironically most people who are desperate to be rid of the tories probably can’t afford those however many extra thousands of pounds of tax |
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"Every time I hear the Independence debate come up the one thing that always goes to the top of my questions. Do I want to be governed by people 500 miles away in another country,who couldnt care less or not.Take away the Financial bit I would gladly pay another however many thousands in tax to be rid of the Tories and Scots be in charge of Scotland.
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What would you do if you paid all those extra taxes and the Scottish people voted in the Scottish conservatives? |
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"Every time I hear the Independence debate come up the one thing that always goes to the top of my questions. Do I want to be governed by people 500 miles away in another country,who couldnt care less or not.Take away the Financial bit I would gladly pay another however many thousands in tax to be rid of the Tories and Scots be in charge of Scotland.
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why stop there...... Do you want to be gaverened by some private rich bint 50 miles away who couldn't care less about the population but more about wealth and power.
The biggest problem with arguments like these is where do you draw the line.
the question your asking has been answered many times. but those who don't agree with the answer shout loudest. then believe as its their own noise everyone agrees or that the question asked wasn't right. |
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By *immfmeMan
over a year ago
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So, unhappy at being governed from 400 miles away (westminster) but happy to give powers 600 miles away (brussels)? Odd flex.
The independence debate is not about how much you hate the Tories - or at least it shouldn't be. The argument for independence should be made on how it will better the lives of our citizens. I've yet to hear a strong argument for this. Economically, it doesnt exist.
Scotland has its representatives in WM (its fair share by the way) but the SNP have spent so many years just arguing non existent grievances and moaning about Tories rather than working together to better Scotland that it is no wonder they are not taken seriously.
Sturgeon is a wonderful politician. By that I mean she misdirects perfectly, she speaks well and she knows how to play a certain sector of the electorate like fiddles. But delve deeper and there are swathes of corruption and incompetence rife in the Scottish Government. Not to mention the current Salmond inquiry, which is only throwing up even more examples of foul play.
I'm always happy to debate people who want to discuss independence, but it doesn't take very long for it to descend to tories, westmonster, our destiny and other shitty soundbites that mean nothing and completely divert away from the gaping holes in their arguments.
But, politics should be an area where healthy debate is welcomed and I am a believer in respecting other views - I fear I may be in the minority in that though. |
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"So, unhappy at being governed from 400 miles away (westminster) but happy to give powers 600 miles away (brussels)? Odd flex.
The independence debate is not about how much you hate the Tories - or at least it shouldn't be. The argument for independence should be made on how it will better the lives of our citizens. I've yet to hear a strong argument for this. Economically, it doesnt exist.
Scotland has its representatives in WM (its fair share by the way) but the SNP have spent so many years just arguing non existent grievances and moaning about Tories rather than working together to better Scotland that it is no wonder they are not taken seriously.
Sturgeon is a wonderful politician. By that I mean she misdirects perfectly, she speaks well and she knows how to play a certain sector of the electorate like fiddles. But delve deeper and there are swathes of corruption and incompetence rife in the Scottish Government. Not to mention the current Salmond inquiry, which is only throwing up even more examples of foul play.
I'm always happy to debate people who want to discuss independence, but it doesn't take very long for it to descend to tories, westmonster, our destiny and other shitty soundbites that mean nothing and completely divert away from the gaping holes in their arguments.
But, politics should be an area where healthy debate is welcomed and I am a believer in respecting other views - I fear I may be in the minority in that though."
i agree with 90% of this ... the only place it falls down is saying its not about being against the tories then in the next breath talking about snp corruption... if its not party politics, you cant back it up with party politics ... we gotta be consistent in our approach to be taken seriously
show me a government in the world without corruption ... it doesn’t exist ... it doesn’t justify it but it also doesn’t mean its a valid reason against independence ..... for me its all about the economics, you cant run a country on patriotism
my dream would be we scrap this independence nonsense and the nations push for voter reform- more devolution, and proportional representation ... we don't need a divorce , a wee bit of counselling and being heard a bit more at home would do the trick i think  |
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I totally agree with that.
My argument against independence is not to do with my dislike for the SNP - although I certainly don't pretend it doesn't exist. The independence argument is essentially head vs heart. And, when it comes to running a country, there should only be one winner.
I agree with what you say though. The quest for independence needs to be scrapped and a better job made of how Scotland could be. The ref in 2014 has us now entrenched and divided. If the Scottish Government (whichever party that may be) focused on improving what we already have, the case for independence might well take care of itself. |
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I see the furloughed glue sniffing constant braveheart watchers are back on their soapbox. Rabbiting about Westminster, Boris and evey other nonsense argument about the dtive to independence. Blah blah blah merchants. Christ... the CO2 level is rising |
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"Let me guess - your from the Rule Britannia side of Glasgow I bet !!! "
When I see a quote like the above it epitomises everything about the nasty and hostile side of some nasty Nationalist.
If your not one of us, you're a yoon or whatever.
So what if that person is from the Rule Britannia Side?
Why is that really a concern to you? |
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"Let me guess - your from the Rule Britannia side of Glasgow I bet !!!
When I see a quote like the above it epitomises everything about the nasty and hostile side of some nasty Nationalist.
If your not one of us, you're a yoon or whatever.
So what if that person is from the Rule Britannia Side?
Why is that really a concern to you?"
because those who shout loudest are correct lol its usually the folk who say things that are hurtful to those who don't agree with their view that claim everyone should be equal and safe spaces every 20 metres |
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"Let me guess - your from the Rule Britannia side of Glasgow I bet !!!
When I see a quote like the above it epitomises everything about the nasty and hostile side of some nasty Nationalist.
If your not one of us, you're a yoon or whatever.
So what if that person is from the Rule Britannia Side?
Why is that really a concern to you?"
agreed ... but what's good for the goose is good for the gander ... where is your criticism on the post above yours? |
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I am not bitter I just find it amazing that the independence movement still hasn't dealt with the major obstacles. They have had since 2012 and come up with?.....Nothing, all you get is the same old grievance, chip on the shoulder stuff, that is not how to win the debate. Show how the economy would work,what the currency would be and who would be the lender of last resort |
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"I am not bitter I just find it amazing that the independence movement still hasn't dealt with the major obstacles. They have had since 2012 and come up with?.....Nothing, all you get is the same old grievance, chip on the shoulder stuff, that is not how to win the debate. Show how the economy would work,what the currency would be and who would be the lender of last resort "
This is it in a nutshell. You can’t debate with a nationalist as anytime you present facts and figures to them it’s the same old tired, long worn out rhetoric reply “aye but look at what it’s like in England” or words to that effect.
Instead of deflecting the debate towards other governments they point blank disregard the incompetence of their and refuse to tackle it’s failings head on as any argument they have holds little water. |
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"I am not bitter I just find it amazing that the independence movement still hasn't dealt with the major obstacles. They have had since 2012 and come up with?.....Nothing, all you get is the same old grievance, chip on the shoulder stuff, that is not how to win the debate. Show how the economy would work,what the currency would be and who would be the lender of last resort
This is it in a nutshell. You can’t debate with a nationalist as anytime you present facts and figures to them it’s the same old tired, long worn out rhetoric reply “aye but look at what it’s like in England” or words to that effect.
Instead of deflecting the debate towards other governments they point blank disregard the incompetence of their and refuse to tackle it’s failings head on as any argument they have holds little water."
As a voter of independence back in 2014, I have to agree with the above comment's.
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"Will be interesting to see how Sturgeon reacts to this. She's always banging on about independence like her life depended on it and wants to hold a referendum as soon as possible. That makes sense in the middle of a pandemic but don't get me started on that subject.
If the Shetlands ask for a referendum will she grant one with no questions asked? "
NO;
she shouts independence but she will not put forward a referendum as she has no ability to run Scotland as an independent country.
That is why she is so desperate to get back into the EU as back up when it all goes wrong for her
I was a 30 year snp member until she took control, her new laws, policy's and dreams of a carbon free country will destroy Scotland
you think we have it bad right now, wait till she gets her mits on it |
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"Will be interesting to see how Sturgeon reacts to this. She's always banging on about independence like her life depended on it and wants to hold a referendum as soon as possible. That makes sense in the middle of a pandemic but don't get me started on that subject.
If the Shetlands ask for a referendum will she grant one with no questions asked?
NO;
she shouts independence but she will not put forward a referendum as she has no ability to run Scotland as an independent country.
That is why she is so desperate to get back into the EU as back up when it all goes wrong for her
I was a 30 year snp member until she took control, her new laws, policy's and dreams of a carbon free country will destroy Scotland
you think we have it bad right now, wait till she gets her mits on it"
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