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"I actually took a few friends off my list on Facebook for the utter shite they were coming away with last night. Too many believe too much on facebook. Be adults and go find some correct information!" Getting close to that stage myself now... | |||
"I actually took a few friends off my list on Facebook for the utter shite they were coming away with last night. Too many believe too much on facebook. Be adults and go find some correct information!" If you watched today's Scottish daily brief I think you will find he stood on a podium in front of Scotland and said exactly what I have posted about. I'm sure our resident link expert will be along in a moment for you to watch it for yourself.  | |||
"I actually took a few friends off my list on Facebook for the utter shite they were coming away with last night. Too many believe too much on facebook. Be adults and go find some correct information!" Ps I don't have face book, I agree it is the biggest load of shite on the planet. Lol.  | |||
"I actually took a few friends off my list on Facebook for the utter shite they were coming away with last night. Too many believe too much on facebook. Be adults and go find some correct information! If you watched today's Scottish daily brief I think you will find he stood on a podium in front of Scotland and said exactly what I have posted about. I'm sure our resident link expert will be along in a moment for you to watch it for yourself. "Zeus....calm yer jets son. Before you go striking Oldie down with a lightening bolt, I think her dig was aimed at the arseholes on FB and not your mythological majesty. Heard on the grapevine she thinks you're a bit of a diddy though but I'll pm you about that...  | |||
"I actually took a few friends off my list on Facebook for the utter shite they were coming away with last night. Too many believe too much on facebook. Be adults and go find some correct information! If you watched today's Scottish daily brief I think you will find he stood on a podium in front of Scotland and said exactly what I have posted about. I'm sure our resident link expert will be along in a moment for you to watch it for yourself. "last I looked you weren't on my facebook friends so take that as I wasnt actually talking about yourself. | |||
"I actually took a few friends off my list on Facebook for the utter shite they were coming away with last night. Too many believe too much on facebook. Be adults and go find some correct information! If you watched today's Scottish daily brief I think you will find he stood on a podium in front of Scotland and said exactly what I have posted about. I'm sure our resident link expert will be along in a moment for you to watch it for yourself.
Zeus....calm yer jets son. Before you go striking Oldie down with a lightening bolt, I think her dig was aimed at the arseholes on FB and not your mythological majesty.
Heard on the grapevine she thinks you're a bit of a diddy though but I'll pm you about that... "That grapevine thing is nearly as bad as Facebook. 
Don't bother sending me a pm, your a bit outside my age range. | |||
"I actually took a few friends off my list on Facebook for the utter shite they were coming away with last night. Too many believe too much on facebook. Be adults and go find some correct information! If you watched today's Scottish daily brief I think you will find he stood on a podium in front of Scotland and said exactly what I have posted about. I'm sure our resident link expert will be along in a moment for you to watch it for yourself.
Zeus....calm yer jets son. Before you go striking Oldie down with a lightening bolt, I think her dig was aimed at the arseholes on FB and not your mythological majesty.
Heard on the grapevine she thinks you're a bit of a diddy though but I'll pm you about that... "just a bit?  | |||
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"To many Social Justice Warriors all about being seen doing the right thing instead of just doing the right thing." Yep | |||
"To many Social Justice Warriors all about being seen doing the right thing instead of just doing the right thing." | |||
"To many Social Justice Warriors all about being seen doing the right thing instead of just doing the right thing."
I just wanted to be seen doing the right thing | |||
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" If you watched today's Scottish daily brief I think you will find he stood on a podium in front of Scotland and said exactly what I have posted about. I'm sure our resident link expert will be along in a moment for you to watch it for yourself. "I can't find a dail briefing for today. What channel/website was this on? | |||
"To many Social Justice Warriors all about being seen doing the right thing instead of just doing the right thing." | |||
Eg. Protests all seem a bit empty to me, might as well hold hands and sing kumbaya.... | |||
" If you watched today's Scottish daily brief I think you will find he stood on a podium in front of Scotland and said exactly what I have posted about. I'm sure our resident link expert will be along in a moment for you to watch it for yourself.
"I can't find a daily briefing for today. What channel/website was this on? | |||
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" If you watched today's Scottish daily brief I think you will find he stood on a podium in front of Scotland and said exactly what I have posted about. I'm sure our resident link expert will be along in a moment for you to watch it for yourself.
I can't find a daily briefing for today. What channel/website was this on?"BBC Scotland , every day at 1pm. Scottish government gives a daily brief on Covid.
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"Nothing wrong with encouraging a proactive approach to tackling racism. To paraphrase the old saying, all it takes for evil to flourish is for good people to sit on their arses doing nothing about it. Even posting something online. Why not? Who cares if there is an element of virtue signalling? Better to show you're virtuous than signal you're a scumbag and a hindrance to progress, rather than a help." I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. | |||
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"I think it is the messenger you have an issue with as much as the message.You could have named many other people saying a similar thing " Ohh get a grip. !!! | |||
"I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. " Nobody is saying you need to go out in the streets to protest, in fact the the Scottish Government advises against it, but you're voicing an opinion right now so you have chosen to do that. The opinion you've chosen to voice is a moany-faced, teenage-mentality one about not being told what to do. The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism, and not diverting attention from that fight. No ifs or buts. | |||
"I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. Nobody is saying you need to go out in the streets to protest, in fact the the Scottish Government advises against it, but you're voicing an opinion right now so you have chosen to do that. The opinion you've chosen to voice is a moany-faced, teenage-mentality one about not being told what to do. The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism, and not diverting attention from that fight. No ifs or buts." Now your still proving my point with these comments. Ease I CHOOSE not to protest or VOICE an opinion on something YOU strongly believe in I've went from being a scumbag to now a moany faced , teenage mentality type. Why ? Because I used MY time to do with as I wanted as opposed how YOU think my time could better be spent. It's actually laughable if it weren't so sad. | |||
"I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. Nobody is saying you need to go out in the streets to protest, in fact the the Scottish Government advises against it, but you're voicing an opinion right now so you have chosen to do that. The opinion you've chosen to voice is a moany-faced, teenage-mentality one about not being told what to do. The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism, and not diverting attention from that fight. No ifs or buts. Now your still proving my point with these comments. Ease I CHOOSE not to protest or VOICE an opinion on something YOU strongly believe in I've went from being a scumbag to now a moany faced , teenage mentality type. Why ? Because I used MY time to do with as I wanted as opposed how YOU think my time could better be spent. It's actually laughable if it weren't so sad. " But you are voicing an opinion on the subject! Do you seriously not see that?! 
Hahaha - it's unbelievable! | |||
"I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. Nobody is saying you need to go out in the streets to protest, in fact the the Scottish Government advises against it, but you're voicing an opinion right now so you have chosen to do that. The opinion you've chosen to voice is a moany-faced, teenage-mentality one about not being told what to do. The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism, and not diverting attention from that fight. No ifs or buts. Now your still proving my point with these comments. Ease I CHOOSE not to protest or VOICE an opinion on something YOU strongly believe in I've went from being a scumbag to now a moany faced , teenage mentality type. Why ? Because I used MY time to do with as I wanted as opposed how YOU think my time could better be spent. It's actually laughable if it weren't so sad. But you are voicing an opinion on the subject! Do you seriously not see that?!
Hahaha - it's unbelievable!"Actually I'm voicing an opinion on someone doing exactly what your doing. Telling me what I should do by way of supporting a cause. The racist issue is not the point of the thread it's about being told how I should conduct myself in world issues. Why are you on Fab forums. Would your time not be better spent organising on line support for your causes and crusades. See my point , your telling me to do something about racism yet your in here talking to me . | |||
"I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. Nobody is saying you need to go out in the streets to protest, in fact the the Scottish Government advises against it, but you're voicing an opinion right now so you have chosen to do that. The opinion you've chosen to voice is a moany-faced, teenage-mentality one about not being told what to do. The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism, and not diverting attention from that fight. No ifs or buts. Now your still proving my point with these comments. Ease I CHOOSE not to protest or VOICE an opinion on something YOU strongly believe in I've went from being a scumbag to now a moany faced , teenage mentality type. Why ? Because I used MY time to do with as I wanted as opposed how YOU think my time could better be spent. It's actually laughable if it weren't so sad. But you are voicing an opinion on the subject! Do you seriously not see that?!
Hahaha - it's unbelievable!
Actually I'm voicing an opinion on someone doing exactly what your doing. Telling me what I should do by way of supporting a cause. The racist issue is not the point of the thread it's about being told how I should conduct myself in world issues.
Why are you on Fab forums.
Would your time not be better spent organising on line support for your causes and crusades. See my point , your telling me to do something about racism yet your in here talking to me . "OK, so let's move on from racism. The point of your original post essentially boils down to "don't tell me what to do"... sounding a bit like a moany-faced teenager there.  | |||
"I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. Nobody is saying you need to go out in the streets to protest, in fact the the Scottish Government advises against it, but you're voicing an opinion right now so you have chosen to do that. The opinion you've chosen to voice is a moany-faced, teenage-mentality one about not being told what to do. The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism, and not diverting attention from that fight. No ifs or buts. Now your still proving my point with these comments. Ease I CHOOSE not to protest or VOICE an opinion on something YOU strongly believe in I've went from being a scumbag to now a moany faced , teenage mentality type. Why ? Because I used MY time to do with as I wanted as opposed how YOU think my time could better be spent. It's actually laughable if it weren't so sad. But you are voicing an opinion on the subject! Do you seriously not see that?!
Hahaha - it's unbelievable!
Actually I'm voicing an opinion on someone doing exactly what your doing. Telling me what I should do by way of supporting a cause. The racist issue is not the point of the thread it's about being told how I should conduct myself in world issues.
Why are you on Fab forums.
Would your time not be better spent organising on line support for your causes and crusades. See my point , your telling me to do something about racism yet your in here talking to me .
OK, so let's move on from racism. The point of your original post essentially boils down to "don't tell me what to do"... sounding a bit like a moany-faced teenager there. "Is that statement not a bit derogatory towards teenagers. ? For someone so pro active towards racism is teenagers fair game in your eyes. ? Ps I CHOOSE to be outpoken in the defence of teenagers across the world. | |||
"I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. Nobody is saying you need to go out in the streets to protest, in fact the the Scottish Government advises against it, but you're voicing an opinion right now so you have chosen to do that. The opinion you've chosen to voice is a moany-faced, teenage-mentality one about not being told what to do. The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism, and not diverting attention from that fight. No ifs or buts. Now your still proving my point with these comments. Ease I CHOOSE not to protest or VOICE an opinion on something YOU strongly believe in I've went from being a scumbag to now a moany faced , teenage mentality type. Why ? Because I used MY time to do with as I wanted as opposed how YOU think my time could better be spent. It's actually laughable if it weren't so sad. But you are voicing an opinion on the subject! Do you seriously not see that?!
Hahaha - it's unbelievable!
Actually I'm voicing an opinion on someone doing exactly what your doing. Telling me what I should do by way of supporting a cause. The racist issue is not the point of the thread it's about being told how I should conduct myself in world issues.
Why are you on Fab forums.
Would your time not be better spent organising on line support for your causes and crusades. See my point , your telling me to do something about racism yet your in here talking to me .
OK, so let's move on from racism. The point of your original post essentially boils down to "don't tell me what to do"... sounding a bit like a moany-faced teenager there. "I think a condescending manner from an MP can get a lot of folk's back up to be honest....and not because they're spitting the dummy or have an attitude like a teenager. My FB feed was awash with the "Black Lives Matter" profile blackout pic...Because that's the easy thing to do. I wonder how many folk stuck that up because they were following the flock and how many would actually challenge any kind of prejudice, racial or otherwise, if they encountered it in a normal day. | |||
"I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. Nobody is saying you need to go out in the streets to protest, in fact the the Scottish Government advises against it, but you're voicing an opinion right now so you have chosen to do that. The opinion you've chosen to voice is a moany-faced, teenage-mentality one about not being told what to do. The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism, and not diverting attention from that fight. No ifs or buts. Now your still proving my point with these comments. Ease I CHOOSE not to protest or VOICE an opinion on something YOU strongly believe in I've went from being a scumbag to now a moany faced , teenage mentality type. Why ? Because I used MY time to do with as I wanted as opposed how YOU think my time could better be spent. It's actually laughable if it weren't so sad. But you are voicing an opinion on the subject! Do you seriously not see that?!
Hahaha - it's unbelievable!
Actually I'm voicing an opinion on someone doing exactly what your doing. Telling me what I should do by way of supporting a cause. The racist issue is not the point of the thread it's about being told how I should conduct myself in world issues.
Why are you on Fab forums.
Would your time not be better spent organising on line support for your causes and crusades. See my point , your telling me to do something about racism yet your in here talking to me .
OK, so let's move on from racism. The point of your original post essentially boils down to "don't tell me what to do"... sounding a bit like a moany-faced teenager there.
Is that statement not a bit derogatory towards teenagers. ? For someone so pro active towards racism is teenagers fair game in your eyes. ?
Ps I CHOOSE to be outpoken in the defence of teenagers across the world. "Ah yes, the battles we choose to fight reveal a lot about us. I think I know all I need to know about you. Best of luck fighting for those teens. Haha - bit creepy you'd fixate on them as a cause, but there you go. | |||
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"I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. Nobody is saying you need to go out in the streets to protest, in fact the the Scottish Government advises against it, but you're voicing an opinion right now so you have chosen to do that. The opinion you've chosen to voice is a moany-faced, teenage-mentality one about not being told what to do. The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism, and not diverting attention from that fight. No ifs or buts. Now your still proving my point with these comments. Ease I CHOOSE not to protest or VOICE an opinion on something YOU strongly believe in I've went from being a scumbag to now a moany faced , teenage mentality type. Why ? Because I used MY time to do with as I wanted as opposed how YOU think my time could better be spent. It's actually laughable if it weren't so sad. But you are voicing an opinion on the subject! Do you seriously not see that?!
Hahaha - it's unbelievable!
Actually I'm voicing an opinion on someone doing exactly what your doing. Telling me what I should do by way of supporting a cause. The racist issue is not the point of the thread it's about being told how I should conduct myself in world issues.
Why are you on Fab forums.
Would your time not be better spent organising on line support for your causes and crusades. See my point , your telling me to do something about racism yet your in here talking to me .
OK, so let's move on from racism. The point of your original post essentially boils down to "don't tell me what to do"... sounding a bit like a moany-faced teenager there.
Is that statement not a bit derogatory towards teenagers. ? For someone so pro active towards racism is teenagers fair game in your eyes. ?
Ps I CHOOSE to be outpoken in the defence of teenagers across the world.
Ah yes, the battles we choose to fight reveal a lot about us. I think I know all I need to know about you. Best of luck fighting for those teens. Haha - bit creepy you'd fixate on them as a cause, but there you go."Ohh dear Another crusader who decides, I can't convert this guy to my way of thing so I will throw a wee slur his way and link him with being creepy towards teenagers. Alas your a decent racist fighting human being after all. I will let your comments define you to bud. | |||
"I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. Nobody is saying you need to go out in the streets to protest, in fact the the Scottish Government advises against it, but you're voicing an opinion right now so you have chosen to do that. The opinion you've chosen to voice is a moany-faced, teenage-mentality one about not being told what to do. The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism, and not diverting attention from that fight. No ifs or buts. Now your still proving my point with these comments. Ease I CHOOSE not to protest or VOICE an opinion on something YOU strongly believe in I've went from being a scumbag to now a moany faced , teenage mentality type. Why ? Because I used MY time to do with as I wanted as opposed how YOU think my time could better be spent. It's actually laughable if it weren't so sad. But you are voicing an opinion on the subject! Do you seriously not see that?!
Hahaha - it's unbelievable!
Actually I'm voicing an opinion on someone doing exactly what your doing. Telling me what I should do by way of supporting a cause. The racist issue is not the point of the thread it's about being told how I should conduct myself in world issues.
Why are you on Fab forums.
Would your time not be better spent organising on line support for your causes and crusades. See my point , your telling me to do something about racism yet your in here talking to me .
OK, so let's move on from racism. The point of your original post essentially boils down to "don't tell me what to do"... sounding a bit like a moany-faced teenager there.
Is that statement not a bit derogatory towards teenagers. ? For someone so pro active towards racism is teenagers fair game in your eyes. ?
Ps I CHOOSE to be outpoken in the defence of teenagers across the world.
Ah yes, the battles we choose to fight reveal a lot about us. I think I know all I need to know about you. Best of luck fighting for those teens. Haha - bit creepy you'd fixate on them as a cause, but there you go.
Ohh dear
Another crusader who decides, I can't convert this guy to my way of thing so I will throw a wee slur his way and link him with being creepy towards teenagers. Alas your a decent racist fighting human being after all. I will let your comments define you to bud. "Woah - it was a lighthearted dig. No need to be so defensive! Happy to let my comments stand for themselves | |||
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"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. " Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. | |||
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. " YOU werent told anything by a politician, he has spoken publicly about how he thinks society should deal with racism. | |||
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"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. YOU werent told anything by a politician, he has spoken publicly about how he thinks society should deal with racism. " Sorry I disagree, he told the viewers ( I was a viewer) what they must do , he said I can't be non racist and do nothing. I must make my voice heard loudly, so he's telling me what I must do. Go watch it and decide if he made suggestions or told the viewers ( me ) what we must do. | |||
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. YOU werent told anything by a politician, he has spoken publicly about how he thinks society should deal with racism. Sorry I disagree, he told the viewers ( I was a viewer) what they must do , he said I can't be non racist and do nothing. I must make my voice heard loudly, so he's telling me what I must do. Go watch it and decide if he made suggestions or told the viewers ( me ) what we must do. " Is it simply the word "must" you object to ? He actually said when talking about racism "we must come together to eradicate it" If he had phrased it differently "should" as an example would that be acceptable to you. Would that allow you to accept that racism is bad and all off us have a responsibility to challenge racist behaviour (or any discrimination) where we encounter it. Maybe the message is more important than the wording | |||
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. YOU werent told anything by a politician, he has spoken publicly about how he thinks society should deal with racism. Sorry I disagree, he told the viewers ( I was a viewer) what they must do , he said I can't be non racist and do nothing. I must make my voice heard loudly, so he's telling me what I must do. Go watch it and decide if he made suggestions or told the viewers ( me ) what we must do. " Is it simply the word "must" you object to ? He actually said when talking about racism "we must come together to eradicate it" If he had phrased it differently "should" as an example would that be acceptable to you. Would that allow you to accept that racism is bad and all off us have a responsibility to challenge racist behaviour (or any discrimination) where we encounter it. Maybe the message is more important than the wording | |||
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. YOU werent told anything by a politician, he has spoken publicly about how he thinks society should deal with racism. Sorry I disagree, he told the viewers ( I was a viewer) what they must do , he said I can't be non racist and do nothing. I must make my voice heard loudly, so he's telling me what I must do. Go watch it and decide if he made suggestions or told the viewers ( me ) what we must do. Is it simply the word "must" you object to ? He actually said when talking about racism "we must come together to eradicate it" If he had phrased it differently "should" as an example would that be acceptable to you. Would that allow you to accept that racism is bad and all off us have a responsibility to challenge racist behaviour (or any discrimination) where we encounter it. Maybe the message is more important than the wording" I get the message but I'm more insensed by the implications of the message. By saying being non racist is not enough, if we were all just non racist then there would be no problem with it .By my choice not protesting or shouting about it or being actively involved in some way then that implies I must be part of the problem because I'm not doing my bit. | |||
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. YOU werent told anything by a politician, he has spoken publicly about how he thinks society should deal with racism. Sorry I disagree, he told the viewers ( I was a viewer) what they must do , he said I can't be non racist and do nothing. I must make my voice heard loudly, so he's telling me what I must do. Go watch it and decide if he made suggestions or told the viewers ( me ) what we must do. Is it simply the word "must" you object to ? He actually said when talking about racism "we must come together to eradicate it" If he had phrased it differently "should" as an example would that be acceptable to you. Would that allow you to accept that racism is bad and all off us have a responsibility to challenge racist behaviour (or any discrimination) where we encounter it. Maybe the message is more important than the wording I get the message but I'm more insensed by the implications of the message. By saying being non racist is not enough, if we were all just non racist then there would be no problem with it .By my choice not protesting or shouting about it or being actively involved in some way then that implies I must be part of the problem because I'm not doing my bit. " Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. | |||
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. YOU werent told anything by a politician, he has spoken publicly about how he thinks society should deal with racism. Sorry I disagree, he told the viewers ( I was a viewer) what they must do , he said I can't be non racist and do nothing. I must make my voice heard loudly, so he's telling me what I must do. Go watch it and decide if he made suggestions or told the viewers ( me ) what we must do. Is it simply the word "must" you object to ? He actually said when talking about racism "we must come together to eradicate it" If he had phrased it differently "should" as an example would that be acceptable to you. Would that allow you to accept that racism is bad and all off us have a responsibility to challenge racist behaviour (or any discrimination) where we encounter it. Maybe the message is more important than the wording I get the message but I'm more insensed by the implications of the message. By saying being non racist is not enough, if we were all just non racist then there would be no problem with it .By my choice not protesting or shouting about it or being actively involved in some way then that implies I must be part of the problem because I'm not doing my bit. Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. " | |||
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. YOU werent told anything by a politician, he has spoken publicly about how he thinks society should deal with racism. Sorry I disagree, he told the viewers ( I was a viewer) what they must do , he said I can't be non racist and do nothing. I must make my voice heard loudly, so he's telling me what I must do. Go watch it and decide if he made suggestions or told the viewers ( me ) what we must do. Is it simply the word "must" you object to ? He actually said when talking about racism "we must come together to eradicate it" If he had phrased it differently "should" as an example would that be acceptable to you. Would that allow you to accept that racism is bad and all off us have a responsibility to challenge racist behaviour (or any discrimination) where we encounter it. Maybe the message is more important than the wording I get the message but I'm more insensed by the implications of the message. By saying being non racist is not enough, if we were all just non racist then there would be no problem with it .By my choice not protesting or shouting about it or being actively involved in some way then that implies I must be part of the problem because I'm not doing my bit. Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. " When someone is being so wilfully ignorant, it's fair to question their motives. | |||
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. YOU werent told anything by a politician, he has spoken publicly about how he thinks society should deal with racism. Sorry I disagree, he told the viewers ( I was a viewer) what they must do , he said I can't be non racist and do nothing. I must make my voice heard loudly, so he's telling me what I must do. Go watch it and decide if he made suggestions or told the viewers ( me ) what we must do. Is it simply the word "must" you object to ? He actually said when talking about racism "we must come together to eradicate it" If he had phrased it differently "should" as an example would that be acceptable to you. Would that allow you to accept that racism is bad and all off us have a responsibility to challenge racist behaviour (or any discrimination) where we encounter it. Maybe the message is more important than the wording I get the message but I'm more insensed by the implications of the message. By saying being non racist is not enough, if we were all just non racist then there would be no problem with it .By my choice not protesting or shouting about it or being actively involved in some way then that implies I must be part of the problem because I'm not doing my bit. Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. When someone is being so wilfully ignorant, it's fair to question their motives." That's quite a few posts you've thrown insults into a discussion towards me, your an ambassador in strengthening your points. So to recap. I'm a scumbag A hindrance to the movement Moany faced I have teen age mentality You insinuated something creepy and being fixated on teenagers And now your saying my motives for this thread are questionable Insinuating racial motivations are we ? If this is how you vocalise your anti racism campaigns then I will happily sit in the background as a non racist and let you show your support with your riots and insult throwing in the way you choose too. | |||
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. YOU werent told anything by a politician, he has spoken publicly about how he thinks society should deal with racism. Sorry I disagree, he told the viewers ( I was a viewer) what they must do , he said I can't be non racist and do nothing. I must make my voice heard loudly, so he's telling me what I must do. Go watch it and decide if he made suggestions or told the viewers ( me ) what we must do. Is it simply the word "must" you object to ? He actually said when talking about racism "we must come together to eradicate it" If he had phrased it differently "should" as an example would that be acceptable to you. Would that allow you to accept that racism is bad and all off us have a responsibility to challenge racist behaviour (or any discrimination) where we encounter it. Maybe the message is more important than the wording I get the message but I'm more insensed by the implications of the message. By saying being non racist is not enough, if we were all just non racist then there would be no problem with it .By my choice not protesting or shouting about it or being actively involved in some way then that implies I must be part of the problem because I'm not doing my bit. Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. " Restless, at no point did I say I wasn't prepared to challenge it should I encounter it, but I don't need a politician telling me I'm not doing enough by not pro actively supporting any movements or speaking about it. | |||
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. YOU werent told anything by a politician, he has spoken publicly about how he thinks society should deal with racism. Sorry I disagree, he told the viewers ( I was a viewer) what they must do , he said I can't be non racist and do nothing. I must make my voice heard loudly, so he's telling me what I must do. Go watch it and decide if he made suggestions or told the viewers ( me ) what we must do. Is it simply the word "must" you object to ? He actually said when talking about racism "we must come together to eradicate it" If he had phrased it differently "should" as an example would that be acceptable to you. Would that allow you to accept that racism is bad and all off us have a responsibility to challenge racist behaviour (or any discrimination) where we encounter it. Maybe the message is more important than the wording I get the message but I'm more insensed by the implications of the message. By saying being non racist is not enough, if we were all just non racist then there would be no problem with it .By my choice not protesting or shouting about it or being actively involved in some way then that implies I must be part of the problem because I'm not doing my bit. Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. Restless, at no point did I say I wasn't prepared to challenge it should I encounter it, but I don't need a politician telling me I'm not doing enough by not pro actively supporting any movements or speaking about it. " Im going to be blunt again, that justs sounds petulant. | |||
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. Desmond Tutu. We can all state that we are not racists, but unless we speak out when we experience or witness racism it will never change. This applies to all forms of discrimination. Speaking out against all the injustices in the world would be a full time job for everyone. Personally seeing it is a different matter though. I agree it should be addressed. Being told by a politician that I should be doing more, is what this thread is about for me. YOU werent told anything by a politician, he has spoken publicly about how he thinks society should deal with racism. Sorry I disagree, he told the viewers ( I was a viewer) what they must do , he said I can't be non racist and do nothing. I must make my voice heard loudly, so he's telling me what I must do. Go watch it and decide if he made suggestions or told the viewers ( me ) what we must do. Is it simply the word "must" you object to ? He actually said when talking about racism "we must come together to eradicate it" If he had phrased it differently "should" as an example would that be acceptable to you. Would that allow you to accept that racism is bad and all off us have a responsibility to challenge racist behaviour (or any discrimination) where we encounter it. Maybe the message is more important than the wording I get the message but I'm more insensed by the implications of the message. By saying being non racist is not enough, if we were all just non racist then there would be no problem with it .By my choice not protesting or shouting about it or being actively involved in some way then that implies I must be part of the problem because I'm not doing my bit. Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. When someone is being so wilfully ignorant, it's fair to question their motives. That's quite a few posts you've thrown insults into a discussion towards me, your an ambassador in strengthening your points. So to recap. I'm a scumbag A hindrance to the movement Moany faced I have teen age mentality You insinuated something creepy and being fixated on teenagers And now your saying my motives for this thread are questionable Insinuating racial motivations are we ? If this is how you vocalise your anti racism campaigns then I will happily sit in the background as a non racist and let you show your support with your riots and insult throwing in the way you choose too. "Insults? I made a sequence of perfectly reasonable points, which you largely ignored while bleating about being insulted. Because the thing is, you're not sitting in the background. You're sniping from the sidelines like a cut-price Jeremy Clarkson, or a poundland gammon. | |||
" Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. " I watched it too as I do every day. Totally agree with this. Too many people in their own wee bubble thinking I'm alright that doesnt affect me. Well god help you when they run out of others to oppress and no one is there to help fight injustices against you or your "kind" | |||
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"Meanwhile, as the world tries to reconcile its prejudices, a bunch of white people needlessly argue and try to score points off each other in a chat forum on a bloody sex site for frustrated shagging addicts... 2020 in a teacup "Pmsl. Thread closed!!! | |||
"Meanwhile, as the world tries to reconcile its prejudices, a bunch of white people needlessly argue and try to score points off each other in a chat forum on a bloody sex site for frustrated shagging addicts... 2020 in a teacup "Prejudices like being on Fab means we are all frustrated shagging addicts. ? Nice reconciliation post. | |||
" Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. I watched it too as I do every day. Totally agree with this. Too many people in their own wee bubble thinking I'm alright that doesnt affect me. Well god help you when they run out of others to oppress and no one is there to help fight injustices against you or your "kind"" Sassie may I ask, the riots in America, the looting, the assaults etc . When the people fighting the injustices behave in this manner who is fighting for those victims. ? | |||
" Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. I watched it too as I do every day. Totally agree with this. Too many people in their own wee bubble thinking I'm alright that doesnt affect me. Well god help you when they run out of others to oppress and no one is there to help fight injustices against you or your "kind" Sassie may I ask, the riots in America, the looting, the assaults etc . When the people fighting the injustices behave in this manner who is fighting for those victims. ?" Yeah ask away. I'm probably not the best person to ask the question of tho. Cause I probably wont be that arsed to answer it. Maybe someone else can help you? | |||
" Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. I watched it too as I do every day. Totally agree with this. Too many people in their own wee bubble thinking I'm alright that doesnt affect me. Well god help you when they run out of others to oppress and no one is there to help fight injustices against you or your "kind" Sassie may I ask, the riots in America, the looting, the assaults etc . When the people fighting the injustices behave in this manner who is fighting for those victims. ? Yeah ask away. I'm probably not the best person to ask the question of tho. Cause I probably wont be that arsed to answer it. Maybe someone else can help you?" So your ok talking about one group of oppressed people but you can't be arsed answering a simple question about who protects the people that are attacked by the oppressed people your defending. That makes no sense. ?? | |||
" Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. I watched it too as I do every day. Totally agree with this. Too many people in their own wee bubble thinking I'm alright that doesnt affect me. Well god help you when they run out of others to oppress and no one is there to help fight injustices against you or your "kind"" I think it's yourself that's in a wee bubble. By the way what do you mean when you say my "kind " . | |||
" Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. I watched it too as I do every day. Totally agree with this. Too many people in their own wee bubble thinking I'm alright that doesnt affect me. Well god help you when they run out of others to oppress and no one is there to help fight injustices against you or your "kind" I think it's yourself that's in a wee bubble. By the way what do you mean when you say my "kind " ." I wasnt referring to you in my original post. What I said was people live in wee bubbles and if things dont affect them they dont seem to care. But some day something will invade that bubble making them care. Who will be there to support them. Do not try and twist my post to your own ends. I merely agreed with the poster who shared his interpretation of the briefing and his thoughts on the issue in general. I am saying no more on the matter so as not to be embroiled in of the diatribe | |||
" Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. I watched it too as I do every day. Totally agree with this. Too many people in their own wee bubble thinking I'm alright that doesnt affect me. Well god help you when they run out of others to oppress and no one is there to help fight injustices against you or your "kind" I think it's yourself that's in a wee bubble. By the way what do you mean when you say my "kind " . I wasnt referring to you in my original post. What I said was people live in wee bubbles and if things dont affect them they dont seem to care. But some day something will invade that bubble making them care. Who will be there to support them. Do not try and twist my post to your own ends. I merely agreed with the poster who shared his interpretation of the briefing and his thoughts on the issue in general. I am saying no more on the matter so as not to be embroiled in of the diatribe" No worries, you never answered the 2 important questions though. Who fights for the people and properties that are being wrecked by the protestor, or the security guard that was killed. And to quote "Well god help you when they run out of others to oppress and no one is there to help fight injustices against you or your "kind" " What type of person is that " kind" of person. All I posted about was a politician telling me what I should do or we should do. Now that makes me a certain " kind " of person. Is that not prejudice in itself. Will you protest my rights not to choose to be an outspoken protestor " kind " of person. The atacking comments from anti racism proclaimers in here makes me understand the mentality of the rioters in America. I too am anti racism but unlike some in here , I don't feel the need to throw insults at people or call them a certain "kind" of person just because their views differ from my own . There in lies the difference . | |||
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"Well that’s 20 minutes of my life I won’t get back! Original poster clearly has issues with being told what to do (even tho he wasn’t told what to do) what could have been an interesting conversation turned in to original poster throwing tantrums because other people have different opinion on things to himself! Grow up buddy "So after your contribution to the discussion you then end it by telling me what to do. The irony of it all. Having read it through though perhaps you will notice a wee undertone. Apparently using your voice against racism seems to mean you can throw insults at people or go out and murder security guards, or risk lives during a pandemic not to mention loot businesses all in the name of anti racism. Yet I get slautered for saying I don't need told how I should express my on anti racism thoughts. As said , the irony of it all. | |||
"Education is the only way forward , ripping down statues and changing street names does not educate anyone " I never knew about Edward Colston, or the 19,000 human beings who died as a result of his dealings before the statue was torn down. From there I've learned a little about Henry Dundas, who was closer to home in Edinburgh. He was influential in obstructing the end of the slave trade, and has a prominent statue and street named after him... so I'm finding that if you keep an open mind it's very educational. | |||
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"Well that’s 20 minutes of my life I won’t get back! Original poster clearly has issues with being told what to do (even tho he wasn’t told what to do) what could have been an interesting conversation turned in to original poster throwing tantrums because other people have different opinion on things to himself! Grow up buddy
So after your contribution to the discussion you then end it by telling me what to do. The irony of it all.
Having read it through though perhaps you will notice a wee undertone. Apparently using your voice against racism seems to mean you can throw insults at people or go out and murder security guards, or risk lives during a pandemic not to mention loot businesses all in the name of anti racism. Yet I get slautered for saying I don't need told how I should express my on anti racism thoughts. As said , the irony of it all. "Well as it stands I haven’t killed any security guards, I haven’t looted any businesses and I haven’t risked any lives during a pandemic, I also haven’t Came on to a forum just to bitch and moan about some politician “telling me what to do” and then moan at other people who have different opinions, I haven’t thrown any insults all I suggested you should do was grow up but if you find that insulting then I apologise petal! I’ll try and be a bit more sensitive to your feelings  | |||
"Well that’s 20 minutes of my life I won’t get back! Original poster clearly has issues with being told what to do (even tho he wasn’t told what to do) what could have been an interesting conversation turned in to original poster throwing tantrums because other people have different opinion on things to himself! Grow up buddy
So after your contribution to the discussion you then end it by telling me what to do. The irony of it all.
Having read it through though perhaps you will notice a wee undertone. Apparently using your voice against racism seems to mean you can throw insults at people or go out and murder security guards, or risk lives during a pandemic not to mention loot businesses all in the name of anti racism. Yet I get slautered for saying I don't need told how I should express my on anti racism thoughts. As said , the irony of it all.
Well as it stands I haven’t killed any security guards, I haven’t looted any businesses and I haven’t risked any lives during a pandemic, I also haven’t Came on to a forum just to bitch and moan about some politician “telling me what to do” and then moan at other people who have different opinions, I haven’t thrown any insults all I suggested you should do was grow up but if you find that insulting then I apologise petal! I’ll try and be a bit more sensitive to your feelings "You look with blinkered eyes, is that not the sign of racist mentality. You look at this thread and only see my actions. You throw names like petal and sarcasm of being more sensitive to my feelings. What you CHOSE to ignore is the people on this thread throwing insults like scumbag my way, you CHOSE to acknowledge the fact that looting ,murder and rioting is the way some voice thier opinion , merely saying " I haven't done this or that". Where is your justice moralistic outlook being shown on this thread ? I love the word hypocrisy, and never have I seen it put to better use than in this thread. | |||
"Well that’s 20 minutes of my life I won’t get back! Original poster clearly has issues with being told what to do (even tho he wasn’t told what to do) what could have been an interesting conversation turned in to original poster throwing tantrums because other people have different opinion on things to himself! Grow up buddy
So after your contribution to the discussion you then end it by telling me what to do. The irony of it all.
Having read it through though perhaps you will notice a wee undertone. Apparently using your voice against racism seems to mean you can throw insults at people or go out and murder security guards, or risk lives during a pandemic not to mention loot businesses all in the name of anti racism. Yet I get slautered for saying I don't need told how I should express my on anti racism thoughts. As said , the irony of it all.
Well as it stands I haven’t killed any security guards, I haven’t looted any businesses and I haven’t risked any lives during a pandemic, I also haven’t Came on to a forum just to bitch and moan about some politician “telling me what to do” and then moan at other people who have different opinions, I haven’t thrown any insults all I suggested you should do was grow up but if you find that insulting then I apologise petal! I’ll try and be a bit more sensitive to your feelings
You look with blinkered eyes, is that not the sign of racist mentality.
You look at this thread and only see my actions. You throw names like petal and sarcasm of being more sensitive to my feelings. What you CHOSE to ignore is the people on this thread throwing insults like scumbag my way, you CHOSE to acknowledge the fact that looting ,murder and rioting is the way some voice thier opinion , merely saying " I haven't done this or that".
Where is your justice moralistic outlook being shown on this thread ? I love the word hypocrisy, and never have I seen it put to better use than in this thread.
"If you check back you'll see that I never called you a scumbag. Nobody has. I said that people who sought to hinder the fight against racism were scumbags. You were pretty quick to make that connection with yourself, it absolutely didn't come from me. I did say you were moany-faced, with a teenager level of petulance, but that has nothing to do with being against racism and more to do with being against awful chat. | |||
"I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. Nobody is saying you need to go out in the streets to protest, in fact the the Scottish Government advises against it, but you're voicing an opinion right now so you have chosen to do that. The opinion you've chosen to voice is a moany-faced, teenage-mentality one about not being told what to do. The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism, and not diverting attention from that fight. No ifs or buts. Now your still proving my point with these comments. Ease I CHOOSE not to protest or VOICE an opinion on something YOU strongly believe in I've went from being a scumbag to now a moany faced , teenage mentality type. Why ? Because I used MY time to do with as I wanted as opposed how YOU think my time could better be spent. It's actually laughable if it weren't so sad. But you are voicing an opinion on the subject! Do you seriously not see that?!
Hahaha - it's unbelievable!"Ok so your telling me here I am voicing an opinion on the subject. By your definition of someone NOT using their voice in a way that's promotes the cause I'm in the scumbag category you mentioned as I am diverting attention, a hindrance to use your expression. So yes you really did say I'm a scumbag when you add up your comments. Secondly you also made references about creepiest re- teenagers, then said ach I was only joking. So that's a funny subject is it. If I said to someone all coloured people are criminals and followed it by saying haha I'm only joking is that acceptable to you. ? Of course it's not !!! It's not acceptable to me either. Don't squirm away from your comments above because I've shown you as a hypocrite just simply accept the facts, apologise for your behaviour and move on. | |||
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"I definitely don't knock the sentiment behind it , but I don't need someone telling me I SHOULD be doing something about it. So because I choose not to protest or voice an opinion I must be a scumbag and hindrance to the cause. That's EXACTLY what this thread is about. Nobody is saying you need to go out in the streets to protest, in fact the the Scottish Government advises against it, but you're voicing an opinion right now so you have chosen to do that. The opinion you've chosen to voice is a moany-faced, teenage-mentality one about not being told what to do. The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism, and not diverting attention from that fight. No ifs or buts. Now your still proving my point with these comments. Ease I CHOOSE not to protest or VOICE an opinion on something YOU strongly believe in I've went from being a scumbag to now a moany faced , teenage mentality type. Why ? Because I used MY time to do with as I wanted as opposed how YOU think my time could better be spent. It's actually laughable if it weren't so sad. But you are voicing an opinion on the subject! Do you seriously not see that?!
Hahaha - it's unbelievable!
Ok so your telling me here I am voicing an opinion on the subject.
By your definition of someone NOT using their voice in a way that's promotes the cause I'm in the scumbag category you mentioned as I am diverting attention, a hindrance to use your expression.
So yes you really did say I'm a scumbag when you add up your comments.
Secondly you also made references about creepiest re- teenagers, then said ach I was only joking. So that's a funny subject is it. If I said to someone all coloured people are criminals and followed it by saying haha I'm only joking is that acceptable to you. ? Of course it's not !!! It's not acceptable to me either.
Don't squirm away from your comments above because I've shown you as a hypocrite just simply accept the facts, apologise for your behaviour and move on. "Nope, I'll say it again because you seem to have comprehension issues. I said that people who are a hindrance to the fight against racism are scumbags. You went on to say that your original comment wasn't about that, it was about being told what to do. That's fine, I then proceeded to call you moany-faced. And I didn't once say that I was trying to be funny so your other point falls down. Give it up mate, you don't really have a leg to stand on. Nobody called you a scumbag so your point falls down. The fact that you incessantly moan about it proves my second accusation. | |||
" And I didn't once say that I was trying to be funny so your other point falls down. Give it up mate, you don't really have a leg to stand on. Nobody called you a scumbag so your point falls down. The fact that you incessantly moan about it proves my second accusation. " I beg to differ , light hearted comments are certainly an attempt at being funny. Let me quote you. " Ah yes, the battles we choose to fight reveal a lot about us. I think I know all I need to know about you. Best of luck fighting for those teens. Haha - bit creepy you'd fixate on them as a cause, but there you go. Woah - it was a lighthearted dig. No need to be so defensive! Happy to let my comments stand for themselves " | |||
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"So according to Hamza Yusuf it's not enough to say your not a racist now we have to demonstrate it, be loudly anti - racist. Sorry mate you can piss off telling me how to live my life . People don't tell him to go and demonstrate against phedophilia or all the other bad things in the world so where does he get off telling me what I should or should not be outspoken against. Are we now racist because we don't demonstrate our position on racism ? And yes before I get called this or that , if it was a white guy saying the same things as he has, he would get told to piss right off too. "
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"So according to Hamza Yusuf it's not enough to say your not a racist now we have to demonstrate it, be loudly anti - racist. Sorry mate you can piss off telling me how to live my life . People don't tell him to go and demonstrate against phedophilia or all the other bad things in the world so where does he get off telling me what I should or should not be outspoken against. Are we now racist because we don't demonstrate our position on racism ? And yes before I get called this or that , if it was a white guy saying the same things as he has, he would get told to piss right off too. " People have actually asked humza to demonstrate or speak out against what you have stated and he has remained silent on it. There is actually victims families who have asked to meet with him regarding it and he has refused to do so. Humza picks and chooses his fights carefully so he doesn’t upset his voters | |||
" And I didn't once say that I was trying to be funny so your other point falls down. Give it up mate, you don't really have a leg to stand on. Nobody called you a scumbag so your point falls down. The fact that you incessantly moan about it proves my second accusation. I beg to differ , light hearted comments are certainly an attempt at being funny. Let me quote you. Ah yes, the battles we choose to fight reveal a lot about us. I think I know all I need to know about you. Best of luck fighting for those teens. Haha - bit creepy you'd fixate on them as a cause, but there you go. Woah - it was a lighthearted dig. No need to be so defensive! Happy to let my comments stand for themselves "Glad you acknowledge no one has called you a scumbag and that the further insults were nothing to do with racism, or the fight against it, but rather your persistent moaning | |||
" the further insults were nothing to do with racism, or the fight against it, but rather your persistent moaning "So now your confirming they were insults , nice one . So people that voice thier anti racist views now have a free rein to throw insults at whoever they want for whatever reason they want. Nice attitude you have there. You may as well hit the streets and do a bit of looting too. | |||
" the further insults were nothing to do with racism, or the fight against it, but rather your persistent moaning
So now your confirming they were insults , nice one . So people that voice thier anti racist views now have a free rein to throw insults at whoever they want for whatever reason they want.
Nice attitude you have there. You may as well hit the streets and do a bit of looting too. "I concede that comparing you too a moany teenager, and calling you a cut price Clarkson and a pound poundland gammon is insulting. To teenagers, Clarkson and poundland
But these slurs on the names of those respective names came as a result of your constant moaning, playing the victim, being tedious, and having honking chat. Nothing to do with race, or looting | |||
" The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism." For someone who made this statement, you really have not followed your own advice have you Aljam. Lol Youve not really promoted the anti racism sentiment very much while expending a lot of your energies on this thread. Add it to the rest of the hypocrisy you've demonstrated for 2 days. Lol | |||
" The choices you make about how you spend your energy are telling. I'd urge you, if you support the fight against racism, to spend that same energy unequivocally condemning racism. For someone who made this statement, you really have not followed your own advice have you Aljam. Lol Youve not really promoted the anti racism sentiment very much while expending a lot of your energies on this thread. Add it to the rest of the hypocrisy you've demonstrated for 2 days. Lol "Haha we moved on from racism ages ago. I even explicitly said so in a message ages ago. This thread has now become an unedifying back and forth serving no purpose at all. On one hand there's me, who has largely, thanks to lockdown boredom (perhaps mania), taken up a completely unasked for, and unwanted crusade against an extraordinarily tenacious purveyor of garbage banter. On the other hand there's you, someone who's capacity for crying victim is only matched by his capacity to cling on to boring, repetitive and discounted arguments, like a staffie in a butchers whose jaws are stubbornly locked around a plastic bone. Impressively single-minded, but lacking totally in wit or imagination. Anyway, was it Socrates who said you can die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain? Or was it Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight? Excellent film by the way. In any case, I'm out of this thread. You may reply with something uniformly inane at your leisure. I suspect it's the habit of a lifetime, and you know what they say about those. | |||
"Where is the love? " Mahatma Gandhi said that seven things will destroy us. Notice that all of them have to do with social and political conditions. Note also that the antidote of each of these "deadly sins" is an explicit external standard or something that is based on natural principles and laws, not on social values. Wealth Without Work Pleasure Without Conscience Knowledge Without Character Commerce (Business) Without Morality (Ethics) Science Without Humanity Religion Without Sacrifice Politics Without Principle Unsure Gandhi and Martin Luther could bring the love here... even with Will I Am...
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" Haha we moved on from racism ages ago. I even explicitly said so in a message ages ago. " Actually you moved on from racism, and whether it's said explicitly so or any other manner of ways lmao, you don't actually get to say where the thread goes lol.. much I'm sure as you would like to. Lol Maybe you should re read the original post and come back to answering my point, re-not being told how I should conduct myself in the way I choose to fight racism. | |||
" Haha we moved on from racism ages ago. I even explicitly said so in a message ages ago. Actually you moved on from racism, and whether it's said explicitly so or any other manner of ways lmao, you don't actually get to say where the thread goes lol.. much I'm sure as you would like to. Lol Maybe you should re read the original post and come back to answering my point, re-not being told how I should conduct myself in the way I choose to fight racism. "Well as long as you do it with dignity and equality, then that's your perogative. | |||
" Haha we moved on from racism ages ago. I even explicitly said so in a message ages ago. Actually you moved on from racism, and whether it's said explicitly so or any other manner of ways lmao, you don't actually get to say where the thread goes lol.. much I'm sure as you would like to. Lol Maybe you should re read the original post and come back to answering my point, re-not being told how I should conduct myself in the way I choose to fight racism.
Well as long as you do it with dignity and equality, then that's your perogative."Always bud. Can that be said for some of the responses in here though . | |||
"Where is the love? Mahatma Gandhi said that seven things will destroy us. Notice that all of them have to do with social and political conditions. Note also that the antidote of each of these "deadly sins" is an explicit external standard or something that is based on natural principles and laws, not on social values. Wealth Without Work Pleasure Without Conscience Knowledge Without Character Commerce (Business) Without Morality (Ethics) Science Without Humanity Religion Without Sacrifice Politics Without Principle Unsure Gandhi and Martin Luther could bring the love here... even with Will I Am...
"I know we are charging down every sin. I attempt to bring the love, where I can | |||
"Where is the love? Mahatma Gandhi said that seven things will destroy us. Notice that all of them have to do with social and political conditions. Note also that the antidote of each of these "deadly sins" is an explicit external standard or something that is based on natural principles and laws, not on social values. Wealth Without Work Pleasure Without Conscience Knowledge Without Character Commerce (Business) Without Morality (Ethics) Science Without Humanity Religion Without Sacrifice Politics Without Principle Unsure Gandhi and Martin Luther could bring the love here... even with Will I Am...
I know we are charging down every sin. I attempt to bring the love, where I can "You are wise, maybe we should all meet at the borderline | |||
" Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. I watched it too as I do every day. Totally agree with this. Too many people in their own wee bubble thinking I'm alright that doesnt affect me. Well god help you when they run out of others to oppress and no one is there to help fight injustices against you or your "kind" I think it's yourself that's in a wee bubble. By the way what do you mean when you say my "kind " . I wasnt referring to you in my original post. What I said was people live in wee bubbles and if things dont affect them they dont seem to care. But some day something will invade that bubble making them care. Who will be there to support them. Do not try and twist my post to your own ends. I merely agreed with the poster who shared his interpretation of the briefing and his thoughts on the issue in general. I am saying no more on the matter so as not to be embroiled in of the diatribe No worries, you never answered the 2 important questions though. Who fights for the people and properties that are being wrecked by the protestor, or the security guard that was killed. And to quote "Well god help you when they run out of others to oppress and no one is there to help fight injustices against you or your "kind" " What type of person is that " kind" of person. All I posted about was a politician telling me what I should do or we should do. Now that makes me a certain " kind " of person. Is that not prejudice in itself. Will you protest my rights not to choose to be an outspoken protestor " kind " of person. The atacking comments from anti racism proclaimers in here makes me understand the mentality of the rioters in America. I too am anti racism but unlike some in here , I don't feel the need to throw insults at people or call them a certain "kind" of person just because their views differ from my own . There in lies the difference . " i think you missed the point your “kind” of person is meant to mean literally anyone and something different to everyone like what is you identify as? that would be your kind and one day it will be your kind they come for its been the jews, the blacks, the gays, the trans , one day it might br the sexually liberated (swingers) or whatever other group you want to class yourself as part of | |||
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" Dude, you are completely misinterpreting what he said, at no point in the video the bbc have put out did he say go out and protest, at no point did he say anything about making noise. And to be blunt anyone who isnt willing to challenge discrimination, in this case racism is part of the problem in my opinion. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Each of us will have a choice to make, accept racism or be part of the fight to stop it, each and every time we encounter it. I watched it too as I do every day. Totally agree with this. Too many people in their own wee bubble thinking I'm alright that doesnt affect me. Well god help you when they run out of others to oppress and no one is there to help fight injustices against you or your "kind" I think it's yourself that's in a wee bubble. By the way what do you mean when you say my "kind " . I wasnt referring to you in my original post. What I said was people live in wee bubbles and if things dont affect them they dont seem to care. But some day something will invade that bubble making them care. Who will be there to support them. Do not try and twist my post to your own ends. I merely agreed with the poster who shared his interpretation of the briefing and his thoughts on the issue in general. I am saying no more on the matter so as not to be embroiled in of the diatribe No worries, you never answered the 2 important questions though. Who fights for the people and properties that are being wrecked by the protestor, or the security guard that was killed. And to quote "Well god help you when they run out of others to oppress and no one is there to help fight injustices against you or your "kind" " What type of person is that " kind" of person. All I posted about was a politician telling me what I should do or we should do. Now that makes me a certain " kind " of person. Is that not prejudice in itself. Will you protest my rights not to choose to be an outspoken protestor " kind " of person. The atacking comments from anti racism proclaimers in here makes me understand the mentality of the rioters in America. I too am anti racism but unlike some in here , I don't feel the need to throw insults at people or call them a certain "kind" of person just because their views differ from my own . There in lies the difference . i think you missed the point your “kind” of person is meant to mean literally anyone and something different to everyone like what is you identify as? that would be your kind and one day it will be your kind they come for its been the jews, the blacks, the gays, the trans , one day it might br the sexually liberated (swingers) or whatever other group you want to class yourself as part of " think that's a derogatory way of grouping someone. If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. | |||
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" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. " Your terminology is still way off | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. " can it be derogatory ... sure ... its about context and im sure a smart guy like you understands that  | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off" Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? | |||
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"Are we not at 175 yet... it feels like it "Jeezo , gimme a chance, I'm doing my best.  | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? " In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal | |||
"Are we not at 175 yet... it feels like it
Jeezo , gimme a chance, I'm doing my best. "I’ll give ya that ffs | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal " Actually the point of this thread is about me NOT shouting about racism remember. It about being told that saying your not racist is not enough you have to prove it. | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal " Getting words mixed up by saying coloured person or black person or some other PC word now makes me a racist. Is that what your saying, my wording is pivotal to my mindset. ? | |||
"Are we not at 175 yet... it feels like it
Jeezo , gimme a chance, I'm doing my best.
I’ll give ya that ffs "Are we talking days till that guy comes that’s 198  | |||
"Are we not at 175 yet... it feels like it
Jeezo , gimme a chance, I'm doing my best.
I’ll give ya that ffs
Are we talking days till that guy comes that’s 198 "You’ve been misinformed - word on the street is that guy is isolating till after Xmas this year  | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal Getting words mixed up by saying coloured person or black person or some other PC word now makes me a racist. Is that what your saying, my wording is pivotal to my mindset. ?" I'm saying it shows you're stuck somewhere in the past when it comes to race awareness if that's the terminology you favour | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal Getting words mixed up by saying coloured person or black person or some other PC word now makes me a racist. Is that what your saying, my wording is pivotal to my mindset. ? I'm saying it shows you're stuck somewhere in the past when it comes to race awareness if that's the terminology you favour " Well all the more reason for my original post then don't you think.? I should be allowed to continue living my life treating all people equal but not have a politician telling me thats not enough, I should make my voice heard . Aye now you will get the point of this thread. | |||
"Are we not at 175 yet... it feels like it
Jeezo , gimme a chance, I'm doing my best.
I’ll give ya that ffs
Are we talking days till that guy comes that’s 198
You’ve been misinformed - word on the street is that guy is isolating till after Xmas this year "Darn it I just thought furlough was usual for him the rest of the year .  | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal Getting words mixed up by saying coloured person or black person or some other PC word now makes me a racist. Is that what your saying, my wording is pivotal to my mindset. ? I'm saying it shows you're stuck somewhere in the past when it comes to race awareness if that's the terminology you favour Well all the more reason for my original post then don't you think.? I should be allowed to continue living my life treating all people equal but not have a politician telling me thats not enough, I should make my voice heard . Aye now you will get the point of this thread." Maybe lol not aye . Lol | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal Getting words mixed up by saying coloured person or black person or some other PC word now makes me a racist. Is that what your saying, my wording is pivotal to my mindset. ? I'm saying it shows you're stuck somewhere in the past when it comes to race awareness if that's the terminology you favour Well all the more reason for my original post then don't you think.? I should be allowed to continue living my life treating all people equal but not have a politician telling me thats not enough, I should make my voice heard . Aye now you will get the point of this thread." or all the more reason to take notice of his suggestions and use this time of heightened exposure when there is information literally every where you turn, as a convenient opportunity for education without even having to go seek it out | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal Getting words mixed up by saying coloured person or black person or some other PC word now makes me a racist. Is that what your saying, my wording is pivotal to my mindset. ? I'm saying it shows you're stuck somewhere in the past when it comes to race awareness if that's the terminology you favour Well all the more reason for my original post then don't you think.? I should be allowed to continue living my life treating all people equal but not have a politician telling me thats not enough, I should make my voice heard . Aye now you will get the point of this thread. or all the more reason to take notice of his suggestions and use this time of heightened exposure when there is information literally every where you turn, as a convenient opportunity for education without even having to go seek it out " Yeah no worries, right after you read up on how to be a ships captain, learn how to drive a boat, join green peace and go save some whales. Sry to be blunt but I have no ill will towards any race or colour but that is not good enough according to a politician. Why should I need to prove it by researching the lingo . | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal Getting words mixed up by saying coloured person or black person or some other PC word now makes me a racist. Is that what your saying, my wording is pivotal to my mindset. ? I'm saying it shows you're stuck somewhere in the past when it comes to race awareness if that's the terminology you favour Well all the more reason for my original post then don't you think.? I should be allowed to continue living my life treating all people equal but not have a politician telling me thats not enough, I should make my voice heard . Aye now you will get the point of this thread. or all the more reason to take notice of his suggestions and use this time of heightened exposure when there is information literally every where you turn, as a convenient opportunity for education without even having to go seek it out Yeah no worries, right after you read up on how to be a ships captain, learn how to drive a boat, join green peace and go save some whales. Sry to be blunt but I have no ill will towards any race or colour but that is not good enough according to a politician. Why should I need to prove it by researching the lingo . " i didn’t want to be a sportsman but they still taught me PE at school why do we learn anything? because it makes us well rounded people and ok you mean no ill will but by being openly oblivious to what is and isn’t generally accepted as offensive these days for all you know intentions or not you could be offending people left right and centre why wouldn't any human being with an ounce of empathy want to change that especially at very little effort to themselves? | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal Getting words mixed up by saying coloured person or black person or some other PC word now makes me a racist. Is that what your saying, my wording is pivotal to my mindset. ? I'm saying it shows you're stuck somewhere in the past when it comes to race awareness if that's the terminology you favour Well all the more reason for my original post then don't you think.? I should be allowed to continue living my life treating all people equal but not have a politician telling me thats not enough, I should make my voice heard . Aye now you will get the point of this thread. or all the more reason to take notice of his suggestions and use this time of heightened exposure when there is information literally every where you turn, as a convenient opportunity for education without even having to go seek it out Yeah no worries, right after you read up on how to be a ships captain, learn how to drive a boat, join green peace and go save some whales. Sry to be blunt but I have no ill will towards any race or colour but that is not good enough according to a politician. Why should I need to prove it by researching the lingo . i didn’t want to be a sportsman but they still taught me PE at school why do we learn anything? because it makes us well rounded people and ok you mean no ill will but by being openly oblivious to what is and isn’t generally accepted as offensive these days for all you know intentions or not you could be offending people left right and centre why wouldn't any human being with an ounce of empathy want to change that especially at very little effort to themselves? " Ok firstly , appreciate you not taking my last post personal about studying to be a ships captain. It was an extreme example. Lol. I disagree with your point that I unwittingly may offend someone by not know the PC terminology. Why , because I don't address people by starting a conversation by mentioning ethnicity or colour. I treat people simply as a person. If you can give me any scenario where I might be unintentionally racist and put my foot in it set me the scenario and I will answer you honestly how I would deal with that scenario. Wellinever, that challenge goes to you too as your very quick to judge my terminology. | |||
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" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal Getting words mixed up by saying coloured person or black person or some other PC word now makes me a racist. Is that what your saying, my wording is pivotal to my mindset. ? I'm saying it shows you're stuck somewhere in the past when it comes to race awareness if that's the terminology you favour Well all the more reason for my original post then don't you think.? I should be allowed to continue living my life treating all people equal but not have a politician telling me thats not enough, I should make my voice heard . Aye now you will get the point of this thread. or all the more reason to take notice of his suggestions and use this time of heightened exposure when there is information literally every where you turn, as a convenient opportunity for education without even having to go seek it out Yeah no worries, right after you read up on how to be a ships captain, learn how to drive a boat, join green peace and go save some whales. Sry to be blunt but I have no ill will towards any race or colour but that is not good enough according to a politician. Why should I need to prove it by researching the lingo . i didn’t want to be a sportsman but they still taught me PE at school why do we learn anything? because it makes us well rounded people and ok you mean no ill will but by being openly oblivious to what is and isn’t generally accepted as offensive these days for all you know intentions or not you could be offending people left right and centre why wouldn't any human being with an ounce of empathy want to change that especially at very little effort to themselves? Ok firstly , appreciate you not taking my last post personal about studying to be a ships captain. It was an extreme example. Lol. I disagree with your point that I unwittingly may offend someone by not know the PC terminology. Why , because I don't address people by starting a conversation by mentioning ethnicity or colour. I treat people simply as a person. If you can give me any scenario where I might be unintentionally racist and put my foot in it set me the scenario and I will answer you honestly how I would deal with that scenario. Wellinever, that challenge goes to you too as your very quick to judge my terminology. " i just glossed over because a quick read of something online isnt really comparable with learning to captain a ship and sailing off to sea in term of level of personal effort required ... it was clear you were not being serious honestly ... and i know you dont agree from comments you already made ... when do i think you have been unintentionally racist and out your put in it to offend ... the creation of this thread and 90% of your follow up comments i think are a perfect example | |||
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" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal Getting words mixed up by saying coloured person or black person or some other PC word now makes me a racist. Is that what your saying, my wording is pivotal to my mindset. ? I'm saying it shows you're stuck somewhere in the past when it comes to race awareness if that's the terminology you favour Well all the more reason for my original post then don't you think.? I should be allowed to continue living my life treating all people equal but not have a politician telling me thats not enough, I should make my voice heard . Aye now you will get the point of this thread. or all the more reason to take notice of his suggestions and use this time of heightened exposure when there is information literally every where you turn, as a convenient opportunity for education without even having to go seek it out Yeah no worries, right after you read up on how to be a ships captain, learn how to drive a boat, join green peace and go save some whales. Sry to be blunt but I have no ill will towards any race or colour but that is not good enough according to a politician. Why should I need to prove it by researching the lingo . i didn’t want to be a sportsman but they still taught me PE at school why do we learn anything? because it makes us well rounded people and ok you mean no ill will but by being openly oblivious to what is and isn’t generally accepted as offensive these days for all you know intentions or not you could be offending people left right and centre why wouldn't any human being with an ounce of empathy want to change that especially at very little effort to themselves? Ok firstly , appreciate you not taking my last post personal about studying to be a ships captain. It was an extreme example. Lol. I disagree with your point that I unwittingly may offend someone by not know the PC terminology. Why , because I don't address people by starting a conversation by mentioning ethnicity or colour. I treat people simply as a person. If you can give me any scenario where I might be unintentionally racist and put my foot in it set me the scenario and I will answer you honestly how I would deal with that scenario. Wellinever, that challenge goes to you too as your very quick to judge my terminology. i just glossed over because a quick read of something online isnt really comparable with learning to captain a ship and sailing off to sea in term of level of personal effort required ... it was clear you were not being serious honestly ... and i know you dont agree from comments you already made ... when do i think you have been unintentionally racist and out your put in it to offend ... the creation of this thread and 90% of your follow up comments i think are a perfect example " So what do you think is racist about the title of this thread or my original posting. It's easy to say it's a perfect example but please explain to me why you think that. | |||
"This is an ugly thread and I just wish everyone would ignore it rather than give the OP the oxygen of attention. I suspect that the OP is only here to feel superior and be pedantic, arguementative, and provocative for the sake of it. No doubt he’ll report me for being abusive, but I’ll happily take my ban from the forums (or maybe he won’t as he seems to take pleasure in being contrary - there’s a wee dilemma for him to ponder). He’s a bit of a devil this one. " Ok firstly why would I report you for simply having an opinion. ? Your entitled to it. I will look at the rest of your post-- You say this is an ugly thread ,elaborate on that, are you talking about the venom fired in my direction as there has been quite a bit since my OP. ? Your wishing everyone would ignore this thread yet here you are posting in it. That doesnt make sense to me personally. Ive been called various different things throughout the thread and simply replied to those comments, but apparently that makes me argumentative or provocative. ? Are the people that throw all these comments and abuse including yourself , somehow allowed to just say what they want without any reply from me, is that how it works. ? Yet I'm argumentative for replying. Why do I need to feel superior,? I started a thread giving an opinion on a particular issue and Ive had to defend myself since. That's not being superior . Feel free to respond or not , but before you do . Let me remind you again. All I originally said was , I don't need a politician telling be how I should deal with racism. Think about that bud. | |||
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"Are we not at 175 yet... it feels like it
Jeezo , gimme a chance, I'm doing my best.
I’ll give ya that ffs
Are we talking days till that guy comes that’s 198
You’ve been misinformed - word on the street is that guy is isolating till after Xmas this year "Is nothing sacred lol | |||
"Are we not at 175 yet... it feels like it
Jeezo , gimme a chance, I'm doing my best.
I’ll give ya that ffs
Are we talking days till that guy comes that’s 198
You’ve been misinformed - word on the street is that guy is isolating till after Xmas this year
Darn it I just thought furlough was usual for him the rest of the year . "Also... 198!!!! That’s terrrrrifying | |||
"This is an ugly thread and I just wish everyone would ignore it rather than give the OP the oxygen of attention. I suspect that the OP is only here to feel superior and be pedantic, arguementative, and provocative for the sake of it. No doubt he’ll report me for being abusive, but I’ll happily take my ban from the forums (or maybe he won’t as he seems to take pleasure in being contrary - there’s a wee dilemma for him to ponder). He’s a bit of a devil this one. " There’s a few... | |||
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" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal Getting words mixed up by saying coloured person or black person or some other PC word now makes me a racist. Is that what your saying, my wording is pivotal to my mindset. ? I'm saying it shows you're stuck somewhere in the past when it comes to race awareness if that's the terminology you favour Well all the more reason for my original post then don't you think.? I should be allowed to continue living my life treating all people equal but not have a politician telling me thats not enough, I should make my voice heard . Aye now you will get the point of this thread. or all the more reason to take notice of his suggestions and use this time of heightened exposure when there is information literally every where you turn, as a convenient opportunity for education without even having to go seek it out Yeah no worries, right after you read up on how to be a ships captain, learn how to drive a boat, join green peace and go save some whales. Sry to be blunt but I have no ill will towards any race or colour but that is not good enough according to a politician. Why should I need to prove it by researching the lingo . i didn’t want to be a sportsman but they still taught me PE at school why do we learn anything? because it makes us well rounded people and ok you mean no ill will but by being openly oblivious to what is and isn’t generally accepted as offensive these days for all you know intentions or not you could be offending people left right and centre why wouldn't any human being with an ounce of empathy want to change that especially at very little effort to themselves? Ok firstly , appreciate you not taking my last post personal about studying to be a ships captain. It was an extreme example. Lol. I disagree with your point that I unwittingly may offend someone by not know the PC terminology. Why , because I don't address people by starting a conversation by mentioning ethnicity or colour. I treat people simply as a person. If you can give me any scenario where I might be unintentionally racist and put my foot in it set me the scenario and I will answer you honestly how I would deal with that scenario. Wellinever, that challenge goes to you too as your very quick to judge my terminology. i just glossed over because a quick read of something online isnt really comparable with learning to captain a ship and sailing off to sea in term of level of personal effort required ... it was clear you were not being serious honestly ... and i know you dont agree from comments you already made ... when do i think you have been unintentionally racist and out your put in it to offend ... the creation of this thread and 90% of your follow up comments i think are a perfect example So what do you think is racist about the title of this thread or my original posting. It's easy to say it's a perfect example but please explain to me why you think that. " if you have to end a post with “and i would have said the same to a white person” then you already know before you hit send that its going to at the very least come across in poor taste you also suggest you are a “quiet non racist just minding your own business and should be left alone to do so” yet actually you are raising threads that are speaking out against the current movement and have created a space for others to feel it’s appropriate to do the same see if you really dont want to get involved ... fine! but dont work against it and then claim you dont have an agenda | |||
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"Perhaps that is his agenda perhaps inflammatory slogans like black lives matter is part of the problem not the solution. slogans like that create devides and make some harbour resentments towards others I couldn't care less the colour of a person's skin. Though I feel no need to go out a scream it for the world to hear " why is black live matter inflammatory to you? at no point does it say more than someone elses live or that no other live matter, a statement that a group of people should have basic human rights could only possibly be inflammatory if it infringed on your own rights and i cant see how it does and honestly if peoples honest opinion is i don't have a problem i just dont have to shout about it , then why are they not silent rather than objecting to and detracting from someone elses message? thats not me trying to silence anyone btw... just asking if your position is “silence” then why is not silence we are hearing? | |||
" If I said there was group of coloured guys standing on a corner drinking beer, and you said thier "kind" stand there all the time. Is that an acceptable term. Sry I had to correct my terminology there too. Your terminology is still way off Maybe so but since its a hypothetical situation is the terminology more important than my point. ? In the context of you shouting loudly about not being racist, I'd say terminology is pivotal Getting words mixed up by saying coloured person or black person or some other PC word now makes me a racist. Is that what your saying, my wording is pivotal to my mindset. ? I'm saying it shows you're stuck somewhere in the past when it comes to race awareness if that's the terminology you favour Well all the more reason for my original post then don't you think.? I should be allowed to continue living my life treating all people equal but not have a politician telling me thats not enough, I should make my voice heard . Aye now you will get the point of this thread. or all the more reason to take notice of his suggestions and use this time of heightened exposure when there is information literally every where you turn, as a convenient opportunity for education without even having to go seek it out Yeah no worries, right after you read up on how to be a ships captain, learn how to drive a boat, join green peace and go save some whales. Sry to be blunt but I have no ill will towards any race or colour but that is not good enough according to a politician. Why should I need to prove it by researching the lingo . i didn’t want to be a sportsman but they still taught me PE at school why do we learn anything? because it makes us well rounded people and ok you mean no ill will but by being openly oblivious to what is and isn’t generally accepted as offensive these days for all you know intentions or not you could be offending people left right and centre why wouldn't any human being with an ounce of empathy want to change that especially at very little effort to themselves? Ok firstly , appreciate you not taking my last post personal about studying to be a ships captain. It was an extreme example. Lol. I disagree with your point that I unwittingly may offend someone by not know the PC terminology. Why , because I don't address people by starting a conversation by mentioning ethnicity or colour. I treat people simply as a person. If you can give me any scenario where I might be unintentionally racist and put my foot in it set me the scenario and I will answer you honestly how I would deal with that scenario. Wellinever, that challenge goes to you too as your very quick to judge my terminology. i just glossed over because a quick read of something online isnt really comparable with learning to captain a ship and sailing off to sea in term of level of personal effort required ... it was clear you were not being serious honestly ... and i know you dont agree from comments you already made ... when do i think you have been unintentionally racist and out your put in it to offend ... the creation of this thread and 90% of your follow up comments i think are a perfect example So what do you think is racist about the title of this thread or my original posting. It's easy to say it's a perfect example but please explain to me why you think that. if you have to end a post with “and i would have said the same to a white person” then you already know before you hit send that its going to at the very least come across in poor taste you also suggest you are a “quiet non racist just minding your own business and should be left alone to do so” yet actually you are raising threads that are speaking out against the current movement and have created a space for others to feel it’s appropriate to do the same see if you really dont want to get involved ... fine! but dont work against it and then claim you dont have an agenda " Thx for the reply again, it's nice to get a repectful reply without the extra abuse comments attached like many do. So my white person part I said , maybe your right the written terminology was wrong but had I written the correct PC terminology do you honestly think the abuse would be any different on this thread. The next thing you say is I suggest I'm a quiet non racist, I have never said that, I have always said I don't feel the need to be told to go make my voice heard and have someone tell me being non racist is no longer enough, like the thread title. Then you say I'm rasing the thread speaking out against the current movement. No, I spoke a couple of days ago in response to a statement made a couple of days ago. It seems a lot of others added 2+2 and got a racially motivated thread (5). Then you blame me for creating a platform for other to post their thoughts on particular topics. I can't be held responsible for threads going off track from the point I was making . But remember the venom has been aimed solely at me. The venom should not have been aimed at anyone. As said before if that is what making your voice heard is like then I won't be following the politicians advice tyvm. Lastly , i dont want to get involved so why did a politician drag me into it telling me I'm not doing enough and make my voice heard. My only agenda is to highlight the fact , if everyone was non racist whether vocal or not then it would be impossible for there to be a problem. So being just non racist actually is enough. | |||
" honestly ... and i know you dont agree from comments you already made ... when do i think you have been unintentionally racist and out your put in it to offend ... the creation of this thread and 90% of your follow up comments i think are a perfect example So what do you think is racist about the title of this thread or my original posting. It's easy to say it's a perfect example but please explain to me why you think that. if you have to end a post with “and i would have said the same to a white person” then you already know before you hit send that its going to at the very least come across in poor taste you also suggest you are a “quiet non racist just minding your own business and should be left alone to do so” yet actually you are raising threads that are speaking out against the current movement and have created a space for others to feel it’s appropriate to do the same see if you really dont want to get involved ... fine! but dont work against it and then claim you dont have an agenda Thx for the reply again, it's nice to get a repectful reply without the extra abuse comments attached like many do. " you shouldnt have to thank me for having a respectful adult conversation, it should be the norm. maybe if more people were able to keep calm when talking about things we would make more progress but then i don’t suffer from systematic racism so its most likely easier for me to not get emotional about it " So my white person part I said , maybe your right the written terminology was wrong but had I written the correct PC terminology do you honestly think the abuse would be any different on this thread. " its not that you used the term white person i was referring to, more that if you have to indicate your comments would apply to any colour then you had an inclination before posting that it was going to offend people " The next thing you say is I suggest I'm a quiet non racist, I have never said that, I have always said I don't feel the need to be told to go make my voice heard and have someone tell me being non racist is no longer enough, like the thread title. " you didnt use that phrase but you have said you are not racist you dont need to be out protesting for that to be the case , i paraphrased as quiet non racist. honest opinion the MP was using “YOU” in his speech because for people listening it connects deeper than generic “we” or “people”. he actually means a collective “you” but people listen and think personal “me”. its a tactic of using emotive language that can make people feel accountable and try to bring them to action and it clearly worked by touching a nerve, however he didn’t address you by name, he didnt write it into law , he didnt force you to continue to listen ... if you didnt agree all you had to do was turn off the tv " Then you say I'm rasing the thread speaking out against the current movement. No, I spoke a couple of days ago in response to a statement made a couple of days ago. It seems a lot of others added 2+2 and got a racially motivated thread (5). " you asked me to give an example of when you unintentionally could come across as offensive and racist ... my point still stands wether it was your intention or not its how it comes across , like i said to koala if you position is your are not racist you just dont have to be out protesting about it fine, but then don't talk publicly about it at all, because without realising it you are protesting , but for the wrong side, by protesting against the people who are protesting (i hope that makes sense ... alot of use of the word protesting.) basically by taking the time to speak out against the people standing up wether you mean to or not you are limiting their fight because they (okay not the mp on this specific forum probably but others with the same thoughts) are now engaged in this debate rather than the fight for equality "Then you blame me for creating a platform for other to post their thoughts on particular topics. I can't be held responsible for threads going off track from the point I was making . " again it might not have been your intention and no you can’t be personally held responsible for others comments but its happened , there are multiple people on here voicing their opinion on the black lives matter movement and if you hadn’t started a thread to complain about someone supporting the movement they would have had one less platform to post that " But remember the venom has been aimed solely at me. The venom should not have been aimed at anyone. As said before if that is what making your voice heard is like then I won't be following the politicians advice tyvm. " ive not put out any venom so cant comment on that " Lastly , i dont want to get involved so why did a politician drag me into it telling me I'm not doing enough and make my voice heard. My only agenda is to highlight the fact , if everyone was non racist whether vocal or not then it would be impossible for there to be a problem. So being just non racist actually is enough. " yeah it would be enough in an ideal world, but we dont live in an ideal world, you might be non racist, i might be non racist, but wee jeanie down the street might not be ... and if nobody puts her in her place when she is (or only the subject of her abuse does) chances of her every taking a second look at her opinions and behaviours are slim to none. but if every time i see her do it or you see her do it she we call it out, shes going to think f*ck maybe i am the problem a hell of a lot quicker ... thats what is meant by just being non racist is not enough ... because that silence lets the racist think there is no issue with their behaviour ... i genuinely dont think it has to mean get out and protest everything in the world ... it can be just check it when you see it ... that is being vocal and tells the people in your circle that its not something you stand for | |||
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" honestly ... and i know you dont agree from comments you already made ... when do i think you have been unintentionally racist and out your put in it to offend ... the creation of this thread and 90% of your follow up comments i think are a perfect example So what do you think is racist about the title of this thread or my original posting. It's easy to say it's a perfect example but please explain to me why you think that. if you have to end a post with “and i would have said the same to a white person” then you already know before you hit send that its going to at the very least come across in poor taste you also suggest you are a “quiet non racist just minding your own business and should be left alone to do so” yet actually you are raising threads that are speaking out against the current movement and have created a space for others to feel it’s appropriate to do the same see if you really dont want to get involved ... fine! but dont work against it and then claim you dont have an agenda Thx for the reply again, it's nice to get a repectful reply without the extra abuse comments attached like many do. you shouldnt have to thank me for having a respectful adult conversation, it should be the norm. maybe if more people were able to keep calm when talking about things we would make more progress but then i don’t suffer from systematic racism so its most likely easier for me to not get emotional about it So my white person part I said , maybe your right the written terminology was wrong but had I written the correct PC terminology do you honestly think the abuse would be any different on this thread. its not that you used the term white person i was referring to, more that if you have to indicate your comments would apply to any colour then you had an inclination before posting that it was going to offend people The next thing you say is I suggest I'm a quiet non racist, I have never said that, I have always said I don't feel the need to be told to go make my voice heard and have someone tell me being non racist is no longer enough, like the thread title. you didnt use that phrase but you have said you are not racist you dont need to be out protesting for that to be the case , i paraphrased as quiet non racist. honest opinion the MP was using “YOU” in his speech because for people listening it connects deeper than generic “we” or “people”. he actually means a collective “you” but people listen and think personal “me”. its a tactic of using emotive language that can make people feel accountable and try to bring them to action and it clearly worked by touching a nerve, however he didn’t address you by name, he didnt write it into law , he didnt force you to continue to listen ... if you didnt agree all you had to do was turn off the tv Then you say I'm rasing the thread speaking out against the current movement. No, I spoke a couple of days ago in response to a statement made a couple of days ago. It seems a lot of others added 2+2 and got a racially motivated thread (5). you asked me to give an example of when you unintentionally could come across as offensive and racist ... my point still stands wether it was your intention or not its how it comes across , like i said to koala if you position is your are not racist you just dont have to be out protesting about it fine, but then don't talk publicly about it at all, because without realising it you are protesting , but for the wrong side, by protesting against the people who are protesting (i hope that makes sense ... alot of use of the word protesting.) basically by taking the time to speak out against the people standing up wether you mean to or not you are limiting their fight because they (okay not the mp on this specific forum probably but others with the same thoughts) are now engaged in this debate rather than the fight for equality Then you blame me for creating a platform for other to post their thoughts on particular topics. I can't be held responsible for threads going off track from the point I was making . again it might not have been your intention and no you can’t be personally held responsible for others comments but its happened , there are multiple people on here voicing their opinion on the black lives matter movement and if you hadn’t started a thread to complain about someone supporting the movement they would have had one less platform to post that But remember the venom has been aimed solely at me. The venom should not have been aimed at anyone. As said before if that is what making your voice heard is like then I won't be following the politicians advice tyvm. ive not put out any venom so cant comment on that Lastly , i dont want to get involved so why did a politician drag me into it telling me I'm not doing enough and make my voice heard. My only agenda is to highlight the fact , if everyone was non racist whether vocal or not then it would be impossible for there to be a problem. So being just non racist actually is enough. yeah it would be enough in an ideal world, but we dont live in an ideal world, you might be non racist, i might be non racist, but wee jeanie down the street might not be ... and if nobody puts her in her place when she is (or only the subject of her abuse does) chances of her every taking a second look at her opinions and behaviours are slim to none. but if every time i see her do it or you see her do it she we call it out, shes going to think f*ck maybe i am the problem a hell of a lot quicker ... thats what is meant by just being non racist is not enough ... because that silence lets the racist think there is no issue with their behaviour ... i genuinely dont think it has to mean get out and protest everything in the world ... it can be just check it when you see it ... that is being vocal and tells the people in your circle that its not something you stand for " So there we go , this is how we should all aspire to be when we post on the forums. No sarcasm, no name calling, no innuendos just an excellent eplanation on her viewpoint and her views and opinions on my posts and the topic. And I will concede to most of what she has said too. I won't be joining protestors on the frontline though but if it is any comfort to this lady I will continue to treat people equally, call out racism should I see it and lastly try to improve my terminology. Lol I don't think I can say fairer than that at this time. | |||
" So there we go , this is how we should all aspire to be when we post on the forums. No sarcasm, no name calling, no innuendos just an excellent eplanation on her viewpoint and her views and opinions on my posts and the topic. And I will concede to most of what she has said too. I won't be joining protestors on the frontline though but if it is any comfort to this lady I will continue to treat people equally, call out racism should I see it and lastly try to improve my terminology. Lol I don't think I can say fairer than that at this time. " pleasure doing business with ya
tbh i know even a calm rational post is often met with a heated angry reply on most forums / social media posts so i appreciate this post ... things are so easily misinterpreted because tone of voice online isn't there ... ive seen examples the last few weeks where even people on the same side get in an argument because they dont want to be on the same side in the exact same way (including me and my sister its easy done)
best way to approach it i think is to read someones comments and think they are not necessarily saying i am a bad person so i don't need to get defensive ... they are probably just saying that no matter where you think you are on a scale just now, there is pretty much always scope for positive growth and change | |||
reads back like a daytime tv self help guru | |||
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"Funnily if you trawl through Scottish peoples posts and see all the bkack lives matter blah blah blah im do opposed to racism....then scroll fown a bit and see their page full of anti English xenophobia. We have enough racism and bigotry in Scotland to start with which needa addressed before fixing the rest of world" why do they need to be mutually exclusive, one after the other? why cant we sort both? | |||
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"Funnily if you trawl through Scottish peoples posts and see all the bkack lives matter blah blah blah im do opposed to racism....then scroll fown a bit and see their page full of anti English xenophobia. We have enough racism and bigotry in Scotland to start with which needa addressed before fixing the rest of world why do they need to be mutually exclusive, one after the other? why cant we sort both? " To be fair, if it's about using our voices to stand up to things where are all the voices standing up to the abusive comments on this thread. I accepted most of your points earlier but one of the things you said about the abuse on this thread was , on that you can't comment. Well I think it's there in black and white but you chose not to comment. Surely abuse is abuse and should be called out when you see it . As I said quite often throughout this thread, many of the people fighting the cause seem to think it's OK to throw insults at people while others stand by and let it happen. Not 1 person has came on this thread and said, make your point xxxxx but no need for name calling. Not 1. Think about that. | |||
"Funnily if you trawl through Scottish peoples posts and see all the bkack lives matter blah blah blah im do opposed to racism....then scroll fown a bit and see their page full of anti English xenophobia. We have enough racism and bigotry in Scotland to start with which needa addressed before fixing the rest of world why do they need to be mutually exclusive, one after the other? why cant we sort both? To be fair, if it's about using our voices to stand up to things where are all the voices standing up to the abusive comments on this thread. I accepted most of your points earlier but one of the things you said about the abuse on this thread was , on that you can't comment. Well I think it's there in black and white but you chose not to comment. Surely abuse is abuse and should be called out when you see it . As I said quite often throughout this thread, many of the people fighting the cause seem to think it's OK to throw insults at people while others stand by and let it happen. Not 1 person has came on this thread and said, make your point xxxxx but no need for name calling. Not 1. Think about that. "what insult was thrown? the post doesn’t aim at anyone specific that i can see or call any names? scottish people isnt offensive english xenophobia , racism and bigotry are all legitimate descriptions of content if you think its aimed at your content then i dont follow your posts so didnt make that connection but if you can make it without being quoted, named, anything specific from your posts referenced then i would suggest you must already know what you post follows that pattern | |||
"Funnily if you trawl through Scottish peoples posts and see all the bkack lives matter blah blah blah im do opposed to racism....then scroll fown a bit and see their page full of anti English xenophobia. We have enough racism and bigotry in Scotland to start with which needa addressed before fixing the rest of world why do they need to be mutually exclusive, one after the other? why cant we sort both? To be fair, if it's about using our voices to stand up to things where are all the voices standing up to the abusive comments on this thread. I accepted most of your points earlier but one of the things you said about the abuse on this thread was , on that you can't comment. Well I think it's there in black and white but you chose not to comment. Surely abuse is abuse and should be called out when you see it . As I said quite often throughout this thread, many of the people fighting the cause seem to think it's OK to throw insults at people while others stand by and let it happen. Not 1 person has came on this thread and said, make your point xxxxx but no need for name calling. Not 1. Think about that.
what insult was thrown? the post doesn’t aim at anyone specific that i can see or call any names?
scottish people isnt offensive
english xenophobia , racism and bigotry are all legitimate descriptions of content
if you think its aimed at your content then i dont follow your posts so didnt make that connection
but if you can make it without being quoted, named, anything specific from your posts referenced then i would suggest you must already know what you post follows that pattern"What I meant was the fact your saying why can't we sort both. Your talking about standing up to xenophobia, racism, bigotry etc but earler when I mentioned the venom in this thread , you simply said I never done that so I can't comment on it. Sorry for not being a bit more clear. It brings us full circle, if you can't comment on things you havnt done , things that are there to see in black and white does that not make a mockery of the stand up and be counted rhetoric that's been mentioned so many times on this thread. Or do we get to fight the battles we choose to fight. Like my OP | |||
"Funnily if you trawl through Scottish peoples posts and see all the bkack lives matter blah blah blah im do opposed to racism....then scroll fown a bit and see their page full of anti English xenophobia. We have enough racism and bigotry in Scotland to start with which needa addressed before fixing the rest of world why do they need to be mutually exclusive, one after the other? why cant we sort both? To be fair, if it's about using our voices to stand up to things where are all the voices standing up to the abusive comments on this thread. I accepted most of your points earlier but one of the things you said about the abuse on this thread was , on that you can't comment. Well I think it's there in black and white but you chose not to comment. Surely abuse is abuse and should be called out when you see it . As I said quite often throughout this thread, many of the people fighting the cause seem to think it's OK to throw insults at people while others stand by and let it happen. Not 1 person has came on this thread and said, make your point xxxxx but no need for name calling. Not 1. Think about that.
what insult was thrown? the post doesn’t aim at anyone specific that i can see or call any names?
scottish people isnt offensive
english xenophobia , racism and bigotry are all legitimate descriptions of content
if you think its aimed at your content then i dont follow your posts so didnt make that connection
but if you can make it without being quoted, named, anything specific from your posts referenced then i would suggest you must already know what you post follows that pattern
What I meant was the fact your saying why can't we sort both. Your talking about standing up to xenophobia, racism, bigotry etc but earler when I mentioned the venom in this thread , you simply said I never done that so I can't comment on it.
Sorry for not being a bit more clear. It brings us full circle, if you can't comment on things you havnt done , things that are there to see in black and white does that not make a mockery of the stand up and be counted rhetoric that's been mentioned so many times on this thread. Or do we get to fight the battles we choose to fight. Like my OP"okay its a long thread i didn’t read it all but yeah what you are saying is a valid point ... sh*ty behaviour should be called out ... the post you quoted confused me i dont think it was related what i should have said rather than i cant comment is it wasn't me that gave you venom so divert your anger about that to them however now having skimmed it , the worst i can see all comes from one person and the extent of it is being called a cheap jeremy clarkson (i dont get that reference) and saying your opinion was like moany teenage behaviour or something similar while its not really how i like to get my points across so its not like i would encourage it, i think there is still a big difference between stepping into where 2 people have gotten petty in an arguement with each other and stepping in when you see unprovoked abusive or prejudice also can’t you see the hypocrisy a little that you started the thread because you didn't think anyone should make you feel like you had to speak out about racism but you now feel hard done by because nobody came to your rescue when you were called jeremy clarkson and compared to a teenager.... i personally think one pales in significance to the other | |||
"Funnily if you trawl through Scottish peoples posts and see all the bkack lives matter blah blah blah im do opposed to racism....then scroll fown a bit and see their page full of anti English xenophobia. We have enough racism and bigotry in Scotland to start with which needa addressed before fixing the rest of world why do they need to be mutually exclusive, one after the other? why cant we sort both? To be fair, if it's about using our voices to stand up to things where are all the voices standing up to the abusive comments on this thread. I accepted most of your points earlier but one of the things you said about the abuse on this thread was , on that you can't comment. Well I think it's there in black and white but you chose not to comment. Surely abuse is abuse and should be called out when you see it . As I said quite often throughout this thread, many of the people fighting the cause seem to think it's OK to throw insults at people while others stand by and let it happen. Not 1 person has came on this thread and said, make your point xxxxx but no need for name calling. Not 1. Think about that.
what insult was thrown? the post doesn’t aim at anyone specific that i can see or call any names?
scottish people isnt offensive
english xenophobia , racism and bigotry are all legitimate descriptions of content
if you think its aimed at your content then i dont follow your posts so didnt make that connection
but if you can make it without being quoted, named, anything specific from your posts referenced then i would suggest you must already know what you post follows that pattern
What I meant was the fact your saying why can't we sort both. Your talking about standing up to xenophobia, racism, bigotry etc but earler when I mentioned the venom in this thread , you simply said I never done that so I can't comment on it.
Sorry for not being a bit more clear. It brings us full circle, if you can't comment on things you havnt done , things that are there to see in black and white does that not make a mockery of the stand up and be counted rhetoric that's been mentioned so many times on this thread. Or do we get to fight the battles we choose to fight. Like my OP
okay its a long thread i didn’t read it all but yeah what you are saying is a valid point ... sh*ty behaviour should be called out ... the post you quoted confused me i dont think it was related
what i should have said rather than i cant comment is it wasn't me that gave you venom so divert your anger about that to them
however now having skimmed it , the worst i can see all comes from one person and the extent of it is being called a cheap jeremy clarkson (i dont get that reference) and saying your opinion was like moany teenage behaviour or something similar
while its not really how i like to get my points across so its not like i would encourage it, i think there is still a big difference between stepping into where 2 people have gotten petty in an arguement with each other and stepping in when you see unprovoked abusive or prejudice
also can’t you see the hypocrisy a little that you started the thread because you didn't think anyone should make you feel like you had to speak out about racism but you now feel hard done by because nobody came to your rescue when you were called jeremy clarkson and compared to a teenager.... i personally think one pales in significance to the other "Yeah there was tame stuff and there was more serious things like insinuating I was being creepy towards teenagers and insinuating I was racist myself but hey thier just using their voices. In the bigger picture those type of comments are irrelevant. I'm fairly sure if I said all black people are creepy towards teenagers then laughed it off as a joke that would be OK too. Just as long as I said it was a light hearted comment. Im not trying to put you on the spot , it's just the hypocrisy you mentioned never came from my side of this thread. Its been rife almost all the way through. I don't mean you by the way. | |||
"Funnily if you trawl through Scottish peoples posts and see all the bkack lives matter blah blah blah im do opposed to racism....then scroll fown a bit and see their page full of anti English xenophobia. We have enough racism and bigotry in Scotland to start with which needa addressed before fixing the rest of world why do they need to be mutually exclusive, one after the other? why cant we sort both? To be fair, if it's about using our voices to stand up to things where are all the voices standing up to the abusive comments on this thread. I accepted most of your points earlier but one of the things you said about the abuse on this thread was , on that you can't comment. Well I think it's there in black and white but you chose not to comment. Surely abuse is abuse and should be called out when you see it . As I said quite often throughout this thread, many of the people fighting the cause seem to think it's OK to throw insults at people while others stand by and let it happen. Not 1 person has came on this thread and said, make your point xxxxx but no need for name calling. Not 1. Think about that.
what insult was thrown? the post doesn’t aim at anyone specific that i can see or call any names?
scottish people isnt offensive
english xenophobia , racism and bigotry are all legitimate descriptions of content
if you think its aimed at your content then i dont follow your posts so didnt make that connection
but if you can make it without being quoted, named, anything specific from your posts referenced then i would suggest you must already know what you post follows that pattern
What I meant was the fact your saying why can't we sort both. Your talking about standing up to xenophobia, racism, bigotry etc but earler when I mentioned the venom in this thread , you simply said I never done that so I can't comment on it.
Sorry for not being a bit more clear. It brings us full circle, if you can't comment on things you havnt done , things that are there to see in black and white does that not make a mockery of the stand up and be counted rhetoric that's been mentioned so many times on this thread. Or do we get to fight the battles we choose to fight. Like my OP
okay its a long thread i didn’t read it all but yeah what you are saying is a valid point ... sh*ty behaviour should be called out ... the post you quoted confused me i dont think it was related
what i should have said rather than i cant comment is it wasn't me that gave you venom so divert your anger about that to them
however now having skimmed it , the worst i can see all comes from one person and the extent of it is being called a cheap jeremy clarkson (i dont get that reference) and saying your opinion was like moany teenage behaviour or something similar
while its not really how i like to get my points across so its not like i would encourage it, i think there is still a big difference between stepping into where 2 people have gotten petty in an arguement with each other and stepping in when you see unprovoked abusive or prejudice
also can’t you see the hypocrisy a little that you started the thread because you didn't think anyone should make you feel like you had to speak out about racism but you now feel hard done by because nobody came to your rescue when you were called jeremy clarkson and compared to a teenager.... i personally think one pales in significance to the other
Yeah there was tame stuff and there was more serious things like insinuating I was being creepy towards teenagers and insinuating I was racist myself but hey thier just using their voices. In the bigger picture those type of comments are irrelevant. I'm fairly sure if I said all black people are creepy towards teenagers then laughed it off as a joke that would be OK too. Just as long as I said it was a light hearted comment. Im not trying to put you on the spot , it's just the hypocrisy you mentioned never came from my side of this thread. Its been rife almost all the way through. I don't mean you by the way. "And I don't feel hard done by I'm just proving the point that people are selective when to stand up to something. | |||
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. pretty sure that was the sentiment behind “your kind” and the sentiment behind the comments on the briefing today if we stand by an watch it happen to others , bit by bit there will be nobody left to speak up when our turn comes i don’t think it has to have directly meant go out and actively protest every injustice , for some it will just be dont be passive when you see it " Yeah that was the quote I was trying to emulate. Couldn't remember it exactly and couldn't find it. Thanks x | |||
"Perhaps that is his agenda perhaps inflammatory slogans like black lives matter is part of the problem not the solution. slogans like that create devides and make some harbour resentments towards others I couldn't care less the colour of a person's skin. Though I feel no need to go out a scream it for the world to hear why is black live matter inflammatory to you? at no point does it say more than someone elses live or that no other live matter, a statement that a group of people should have basic human rights could only possibly be inflammatory if it infringed on your own rights and i cant see how it does and honestly if peoples honest opinion is i don't have a problem i just dont have to shout about it , then why are they not silent rather than objecting to and detracting from someone elses message? thats not me trying to silence anyone btw... just asking if your position is “silence” then why is not silence we are hearing? " because it places one devide as more important than others. In your case of it dosnt matter why was there such outrage when a Mexican and Indian walked through a town with white lives matter and all lives matter ? | |||
"Perhaps that is his agenda perhaps inflammatory slogans like black lives matter is part of the problem not the solution. slogans like that create devides and make some harbour resentments towards others I couldn't care less the colour of a person's skin. Though I feel no need to go out a scream it for the world to hear why is black live matter inflammatory to you? at no point does it say more than someone elses live or that no other live matter, a statement that a group of people should have basic human rights could only possibly be inflammatory if it infringed on your own rights and i cant see how it does and honestly if peoples honest opinion is i don't have a problem i just dont have to shout about it , then why are they not silent rather than objecting to and detracting from someone elses message? thats not me trying to silence anyone btw... just asking if your position is “silence” then why is not silence we are hearing? because it places one devide as more important than others. In your case of it dosnt matter why was there such outrage when a Mexican and Indian walked through a town with white lives matter and all lives matter ?" how does it place them as more important? its not black lives matter so can you start killing whites instead would you find it less inflammatory if it said black lives matter TOO? not sure what you meant by my case of it doesn’t matter ... sorry also not sure or the specific situation of this mexican and indian man with their signs but i am going to assume its because it was probably poor timing and the fact that these things have popped up in reaction to black lives matter suggests the people behind it actually do think their lives matter more there is an active movement right now that people are finally standing up and listening too , jumping in at the same time with white lives matter is totally tone deaf yes of course white lives matter, nobody said they don't or that we should start taking them away, but there are historical ongoing issues working against black lives and we might finally be about to get some progress so is now the best time really for a white lives matter slogan? if you think yes would you think its good timing or a bit crappy for tropicana to rock up with a truck of stock beside some kids selling home squeezed orange juice and sell their product beside them for tesco to have someone stand leafletting its new click and collect service outside the local convenience shop that just picked up extra business by supporting the local area through lockdown with home deliveries is it good timing or a bit crappy to go round the british heart foundations online posts for fundraising & awareness commenting #cancermatterstoo here is my link for donations tropicana need to sell their product, tesco have a business to run, cancer charities also need fundraising and yes white lives matter too... but there is a time and a place, and if its taking away from someone who already comes at a disadvantage and has to work harder or is leeching into the work you have already done (without it being a group together for a stronger voice thing) then i dont think that is the right time or place | |||
"Perhaps that is his agenda perhaps inflammatory slogans like black lives matter is part of the problem not the solution. slogans like that create devides and make some harbour resentments towards others I couldn't care less the colour of a person's skin.to agree with black you must acknowledge that there is white supremacy I simply dont Though I feel no need to go out a scream it for the world to hear why is black live matter inflammatory to you? at no point does it say more than someone elses live or that no other live matter, a statement that a group of people should have basic human rights could only possibly be inflammatory if it infringed on your own rights and i cant see how it does and honestly if peoples honest opinion is i don't have a problem i just dont have to shout about it , then why are they not silent rather than objecting to and detracting from someone elses message? thats not me trying to silence anyone btw... just asking if your position is “silence” then why is not silence we are hearing? because it places one devide as more important than others. In your case of it dosnt matter why was there such outrage when a Mexican and Indian walked through a town with white lives matter and all lives matter ? how does it place them as more important? its not black lives matter so can you start killing whites instead would you find it less inflammatory if it said black lives matter TOO? not sure what you meant by my case of it doesn’t matter ... sorry also not sure or the specific situation of this mexican and indian man with their signs but i am going to assume its because it was probably poor timing and the fact that these things have popped up in reaction to black lives matter suggests the people behind it actually do think their lives matter more there is an active movement right now that people are finally standing up and listening too , jumping in at the same time with white lives matter is totally tone deaf yes of course white lives matter, nobody said they don't or that we should start taking them away, but there are historical ongoing issues working against black lives and we might finally be about to get some progress so is now the best time really for a white lives matter slogan? if you think yes would you think its good timing or a bit crappy for tropicana to rock up with a truck of stock beside some kids selling home squeezed orange juice and sell their product beside them for tesco to have someone stand leafletting its new click and collect service outside the local convenience shop that just picked up extra business by supporting the local area through lockdown with home deliveries is it good timing or a bit crappy to go round the british heart foundations online posts for fundraising & awareness commenting #cancermatterstoo here is my link for donations tropicana need to sell their product, tesco have a business to run, cancer charities also need fundraising and yes white lives matter too... but there is a time and a place, and if its taking away from someone who already comes at a disadvantage and has to work harder or is leeching into the work you have already done (without it being a group together for a stronger voice thing) then i dont think that is the right time or place " As a popular campaign goes it should be all lives matter. you think there ain't persecution of all devides that's crazy a bit like the far left claiming black lives matter so all whites should pay restitution for slavery by their long lost departed ancestors | |||
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