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By *hav02 OP Man
over a year ago
Glasgow/London |
Just read that Glasgow council are considering renaming a city centre Street in memory of Floyd.
While i understand the gesture, is it right to rename it to a previously convicted criminal?
How about actually putting in policies about ethnic equalities or doing more to support education and welfare in local communities? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Typical kneejerk reaction. I would be against this.Better naming a street after someone who campaigned for racial equality such as Martin Luthur King or Rosa Parks rather than after someone who is an unfortunate consequence of this, but Glasgow already has Nelson Mandela place, so is there any need?
Bit ironic also, as Glasgow is full of street names named after Victorian traders who brought wealth to the city, but accumulated their wealth through using cheap black slave labour. Oswald Street, Jamaica Steet,Glassford Street, Ingram Street and others. Maybe they should think about changing the names of these streets first. |
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Good god that’s a stupid idea. While the police treatment was criminal and they rightfully need to go to jail. We have to consider Floyds victims of gun violence. Imagine you were a woman who while pregnant had been held at gunpoint by a man as his friends ransacked your house then a few years later they are naming a street after him.  |
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By *hav02 OP Man
over a year ago
Glasgow/London |
"Good god that’s a stupid idea. While the police treatment was criminal and they rightfully need to go to jail. We have to consider Floyds victims of gun violence. Imagine you were a woman who while pregnant had been held at gunpoint by a man as his friends ransacked your house then a few years later they are naming a street after him. "
Exactly that. And now these individuals he terrorised many years ago have to see his face again all over social media and the news.
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Instead of trying to erase Scotland’s history how about these MPs/MSPs and members of the public who are backing this try and help eradicate slave labour which is going on right now in 2020 in places such as the Middle East.
There probably isn’t votes in campaigning against that though and are capitalising on recent highlighted events to accumulate votes in the upcoming election soon to be held.
Instead of trying to deflect from the shit show the SG has created in handling the pandemic they are now trying to rename street names after a criminal. Scandalous. |
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By *edeWoman
over a year ago
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That's ridiculous! They would be better served renaming it Breonna Taylor if thats the angle they are going for!! But any way you look at it its really just a ploy for votes which is an incredibly sad thing! |
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"The article was published in the Scotsman i believe.
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And confirmed by a politician, somebody McKee on his own Twitter and been backed by many in his comments section
Instead of being a virtue signalling wank why doesn’t he tell us what he does for a living seen as how he’s virtually unheard of |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Considering the situation we're in and heading for a brutal recession I don't think spending money on renaming any streets should be on the agenda. Waste of time and money. |
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"The article was published in the Scotsman i believe.
And confirmed by a politician, somebody McKee on his own Twitter and been backed by many in his comments section
Instead of being a virtue signalling wank why doesn’t he tell us what he does for a living seen as how he’s virtually unheard of"
I don't use twitter or puss jotter, but I agree with you I've never heard of the person proposing this.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just read that Glasgow council are considering renaming a city centre Street in memory of Floyd.
While i understand the gesture, is it right to rename it to a previously convicted criminal?
How about actually putting in policies about ethnic equalities or doing more to support education and welfare in local communities?"
Three words to answer that: Nelson Mandela Square |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Typical kneejerk reaction. I would be against this.Better naming a street after someone who campaigned for racial equality such as Martin Luthur King or Rosa Parks rather than after someone who is an unfortunate consequence of this, but Glasgow already has Nelson Mandela place, so is there any need?
Bit ironic also, as Glasgow is full of street names named after Victorian traders who brought wealth to the city, but accumulated their wealth through using cheap black slave labour. Oswald Street, Jamaica Steet,Glassford Street, Ingram Street and others. Maybe they should think about changing the names of these streets first. "
I don't think they should rename the streets from people who made their wealth from the slave trade...
It reminds us that us Scots were no better than anyone else...
Talk about it, learn about it and hopefully it will make us a better nation for it.
The past is in the past but that doesn't mean we can pretend it never happened. |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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Street naming is a sideshow. What Scotland clearly needs is better education on it's history.
We get shovel-fed the good, exciting, and sanitised stuff, but that's barely half the story. Scotland profited from slavery and the subjugation of entire races in a big way. That profit helped lay the foundations of our largely stable and affluent modern society but the negative legacy is still being felt in many ways, in America and around the world.
The problem is people get weirdly defensive over it, preferring to deny, denigrate the impact of the negative, or resort to whattaboutery. That's a weak, and mistaken mindset. The proper response should be acknowledgement and some level of compassion, understanding, and human decency. |
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By *hav02 OP Man
over a year ago
Glasgow/London |
"Street naming is a sideshow. What Scotland clearly needs is better education on it's history.
We get shovel-fed the good, exciting, and sanitised stuff, but that's barely half the story. Scotland profited from slavery and the subjugation of entire races in a big way. That profit helped lay the foundations of our largely stable and affluent modern society but the negative legacy is still being felt in many ways, in America and around the world.
The problem is people get weirdly defensive over it, preferring to deny, denigrate the impact of the negative, or resort to whattaboutery. That's a weak, and mistaken mindset. The proper response should be acknowledgement and some level of compassion, understanding, and human decency. "
That's pretty much all of British/European history though. It's all about the great powers that invaded America, South Africa and various Asian countries, now otherwise referred to as "commonwealth". Nothing about the torture and slavery... Sadly, that entitled aristocracy still exists. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How about Harold Shipman Crescent or Myra Hindley Street? Why not name somewhere Jimmy Saville Row?
My brain hurts 
Isn't Jimmy Saville Row at Parkhead? "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just read that Glasgow council are considering renaming a city centre Street in memory of Floyd.
While i understand the gesture, is it right to rename it to a previously convicted criminal?
How about actually putting in policies about ethnic equalities or doing more to support education and welfare in local communities?
Three words to answer that: Nelson Mandela Square "
this is what I thought when I read the post. |
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"How about Harold Shipman Crescent or Myra Hindley Street? Why not name somewhere Jimmy Saville Row?
My brain hurts
Isn't Jimmy Saville Row at Parkhead? "
Wonder how many folk have blocked them now.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Street naming is a sideshow. What Scotland clearly needs is better education on it's history.
We get shovel-fed the good, exciting, and sanitised stuff, but that's barely half the story. Scotland profited from slavery and the subjugation of entire races in a big way. That profit helped lay the foundations of our largely stable and affluent modern society but the negative legacy is still being felt in many ways, in America and around the world.
The problem is people get weirdly defensive over it, preferring to deny, denigrate the impact of the negative, or resort to whattaboutery. That's a weak, and mistaken mindset. The proper response should be acknowledgement and some level of compassion, understanding, and human decency. "
People pick and choose parts of history to suit their own agenda, like Nelson Mandela and his wife’s actions. It wasn’t just black people who were slaves and it wasn’t just in America.
Scotland is such a strange place at times. It seems the people that shout loudest about justice, equality and all that stuff are actually the least educated.
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By *vcarolTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Just read that Glasgow council are considering renaming a city centre Street in memory of Floyd.
While i understand the gesture, is it right to rename it to a previously convicted criminal?
How about actually putting in policies about ethnic equalities or doing more to support education and welfare in local communities?"
Nelson Mandela was a convicted criminal in South Africa. So that boat has sailed.
Nelson Mandela sq was so named because the South African consulate was there, they then moved rather than have his name on there stationary.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Good god that’s a stupid idea. While the police treatment was criminal and they rightfully need to go to jail. We have to consider Floyds victims of gun violence. Imagine you were a woman who while pregnant had been held at gunpoint by a man as his friends ransacked your house then a few years later they are naming a street after him.
Exactly that. And now these individuals he terrorised many years ago have to see his face again all over social media and the news.
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Today is the 6th of June, 76 years ago 160,000 of our young men fought their way ashore at Normandy. Many did not return.
If we are going to start renaming streets after a convicted armed robber and drug dealer who ended his life at the hands of an officer who is not fit to wear the uniform then we have lost all sense of proportion.
By all means rename streets but make sure the name is one that we can be proud of like those boys who fought for our freedom. |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"How about Harold Shipman Crescent or Myra Hindley Street? Why not name somewhere Jimmy Saville Row?
My brain hurts
Isn't Jimmy Saville Row at Parkhead? "
Your satnavs nacked Jimmy Saville residence was Kincora boys home.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How about Harold Shipman Crescent or Myra Hindley Street? Why not name somewhere Jimmy Saville Row?
My brain hurts
Isn't Jimmy Saville Row at Parkhead? Your satnavs nacked Jimmy Saville residence was Kincora boys home.
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Jimmy saville turned me down, wouldn't fix it for me..... Told me I was too ugly.....
What can I say? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There are never any winners in the hatred and violence of war. Most countries have both suffered and committed horrible acts historically. For example, ok Scotland had an active part in profiteering from the slave trade. It was also ravaged in the clearances. Time to stop pointing fingers at each other and make a better future by learning from the past positively.
To answer the OP, I disagree with a street being called after George Loyd. |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"How about Harold Shipman Crescent or Myra Hindley Street? Why not name somewhere Jimmy Saville Row?
My brain hurts
Isn't Jimmy Saville Row at Parkhead? Your satnavs nacked Jimmy Saville residence was Kincora boys home.
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I really should not have come back with that but it is amazing how in almost any post the bigots can find a way to fit in the bitterness and I do mean both ways |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How about Harold Shipman Crescent or Myra Hindley Street? Why not name somewhere Jimmy Saville Row?
My brain hurts
Isn't Jimmy Saville Row at Parkhead? Your satnavs nacked Jimmy Saville residence was Kincora boys home.
I really should not have come back with that but it is amazing how in almost any post the bigots can find a way to fit in the bitterness and I do mean both ways"
Scotland/ Britain are divided countries,.. full of bigots and stupidity, embarrassing..... Love thy neighbor no matter what |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"How about Harold Shipman Crescent or Myra Hindley Street? Why not name somewhere Jimmy Saville Row?
My brain hurts
Isn't Jimmy Saville Row at Parkhead? Your satnavs nacked Jimmy Saville residence was Kincora boys home.
I really should not have come back with that but it is amazing how in almost any post the bigots can find a way to fit in the bitterness and I do mean both ways
Scotland/ Britain are divided countries,.. full of bigots and stupidity, embarrassing..... Love thy neighbor no matter what"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just read that Glasgow council are considering renaming a city centre Street in memory of Floyd.
While i understand the gesture, is it right to rename it to a previously convicted criminal?
How about actually putting in policies about ethnic equalities or doing more to support education and welfare in local communities?"
some people might say Nelson Mandela was a convicted crimanal and a terrorist |
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By *hav02 OP Man
over a year ago
Glasgow/London |
"Just read that Glasgow council are considering renaming a city centre Street in memory of Floyd.
While i understand the gesture, is it right to rename it to a previously convicted criminal?
How about actually putting in policies about ethnic equalities or doing more to support education and welfare in local communities?
some people might say Nelson Mandela was a convicted crimanal and a terrorist"
He protested against the system. I don't remember him thieving and holding innocent people at gunpoint just to take their money.. But correct me if I'm misinformed and facts are not fabricated. |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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The argument for renaming streets has been going on for years. The traders that built Glasgow left their legacy of buildings and was built in importing tobacco, sugar and cotton mostly. They also are the reason we have so many parks around Glasgow as many of them were once part of their country estates.
Many cities in the UK were built up by traders in the same way. We can’t just eradicate our history. We’d need to rename buildings as well as streets.
Glasgow Caledonian University was almost called Buchanan University Glasgow as it stands at the top of Buchanan St and on the grounds of the old Buchanan Railway Station. But they didn’t want to be connected with the history of the famous trader and slavery. I worked there at the time and took part in the votes for a new name.
Learning about our history is important as it’s the only way we can change the future.
If any street should be renamed then we should rename it Louisa Jordan after the WW1 nurse whose name only became known because of Covid-19.
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"The argument for renaming streets has been going on for years. The traders that built Glasgow left their legacy of buildings and was built in importing tobacco, sugar and cotton mostly. They also are the reason we have so many parks around Glasgow as many of them were once part of their country estates.
Many cities in the UK were built up by traders in the same way. We can’t just eradicate our history. We’d need to rename buildings as well as streets.
Glasgow Caledonian University was almost called Buchanan University Glasgow as it stands at the top of Buchanan St and on the grounds of the old Buchanan Railway Station. But they didn’t want to be connected with the history of the famous trader and slavery. I worked there at the time and took part in the votes for a new name.
Learning about our history is important as it’s the only way we can change the future.
If any street should be renamed then we should rename it Louisa Jordan after the WW1 nurse whose name only became known because of Covid-19.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just read that Glasgow council are considering renaming a city centre Street in memory of Floyd.
While i understand the gesture, is it right to rename it to a previously convicted criminal?
How about actually putting in policies about ethnic equalities or doing more to support education and welfare in local communities?
some people might say Nelson Mandela was a convicted crimanal and a terrorist"
One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter |
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By *ucky24Man
over a year ago
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While it is true that Britain's trade initially benefitted from the slave trade. It should be remember that Gt Britain at the time was responsible for ending the global slave trade. When Parliament outlawed Slavery it just didn't just pass a bill and say aren't we awfully liberal people. It actually put in place a plan which took 40 years and 20% of our GDP at the time to build a navy to go out and enforce the anti slavery statude they pass.
There are two sides to stories and it is never black and white if you pardon the pun but often grey.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I dont think it's true to say Glasgow Council are considering anything like this. It seems to be a seperate group who have taken action to deface property and buildings without authority. I personally do not want streets named after thugs and murderers as some of those named have been - however, no matter their history, their murders deserve appropriate action against the murderers.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just read that Glasgow council are considering renaming a city centre Street in memory of Floyd.
While i understand the gesture, is it right to rename it to a previously convicted criminal?
How about actually putting in policies about ethnic equalities or doing more to support education and welfare in local communities?"
would prefer 'Pink Floyd Street'. a far worthier name. it was a tradegy what happened in the us to G. Floyd but as you said he was no saint or a hero as a man in life regardless of his skin colour. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I actually find some posts very amusing I have to say, the bigotry and hypocrisy shown here and on other threads is incredible. The black lives matter protests , the tearing down of statues, the vandalism and murder all for one cause or for historical reasoning. We can't even sort our own country out or change our own purchasing habits let alone join a world wide movement.
I'm curious how many use an I-phone or shop in New look, perhaps you like nestle products or sports direct goods. All these names and many many more still use CHILD slave labour to make there products .
I'm willing to bet you won't be out on your high streets tomorrow with placards saying children's lives matter.
Personally I think child labour is a bigger issue in today's world than racism. Oh but wait, it's third world child labour so out of sight out of mind. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I actually find some posts very amusing I have to say, the bigotry and hypocrisy shown here and on other threads is incredible. The black lives matter protests , the tearing down of statues, the vandalism and murder all for one cause or for historical reasoning. We can't even sort our own country out or change our own purchasing habits let alone join a world wide movement.
I'm curious how many use an I-phone or shop in New look, perhaps you like nestle products or sports direct goods. All these names and many many more still use CHILD slave labour to make there products .
I'm willing to bet you won't be out on your high streets tomorrow with placards saying children's lives matter.
Personally I think child labour is a bigger issue in today's world than racism. Oh but wait, it's third world child labour so out of sight out of mind. "
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