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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just read on the bbc website about that young lad getting 22 years in jail for the brutal murder of his girlfriend in Brechin. A beautiful young woman who was a care worker murdered in cold blood and that’s the justice she gets? So when he’s in his early 40’s or let’s be honest late 30’s (probably be let out early) he will still be able to have a wife and kids and a life. How is this justice? Her poor family will have a meagre 20 years thinking he’s locked up then out to live his life. Disgusted!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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He will serve 22 years in prison and only once he has served this sentence will he be eligible to apply for parole. The parole board will then determine if he is safe to release on license. They may never feel feel that he is safe to be released.
Only time will tell. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"He will serve 22 years in prison and only once he has served this sentence will he be eligible to apply for parole. The parole board will then determine if he is safe to release on license. They may never feel feel that he is safe to be released.
Only time will tell. "
Even if he is SAFE to be released how is it fair he gets a chance at a normal life after what he did? |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
outside your bedroom window ;-) |
Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum. "
Why should we not lose sight of that? Just because “our system” is built on that does not mean everyone bides by it or agrees with it.
If a close female to you was murdered in such a way do you think you’d have the same opinion or would you want him to suffer how she suffered? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum.
Why should we not lose sight of that? Just because “our system” is built on that does not mean everyone bides by it or agrees with it.
If a close female to you was murdered in such a way do you think you’d have the same opinion or would you want him to suffer how she suffered?"
Because taking someone's life in the name of justice is final. And not really indicate of a progressive society |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum.
Why should we not lose sight of that? Just because “our system” is built on that does not mean everyone bides by it or agrees with it.
If a close female to you was murdered in such a way do you think you’d have the same opinion or would you want him to suffer how she suffered?
Because taking someone's life in the name of justice is final. And not really indicate of a progressive society "
Vengeance would be final too. Happy to wait for 22 years to pass too, if needs be.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum.
Why should we not lose sight of that? Just because “our system” is built on that does not mean everyone bides by it or agrees with it.
If a close female to you was murdered in such a way do you think you’d have the same opinion or would you want him to suffer how she suffered?"
Why does gender matter? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The issue that actual life sentences can throw up is, how do you punish them further if they break the laws in jail.
The obvious problem with death sentence is, what if you convict the wrong person.
Still I agree it doesn't seem right. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum.
Why should we not lose sight of that? Just because “our system” is built on that does not mean everyone bides by it or agrees with it.
If a close female to you was murdered in such a way do you think you’d have the same opinion or would you want him to suffer how she suffered?
Why does gender matter?"
Oh Jesus it doesn’t it’s just in this case it was a young woman who was killed! Nothing to do with bloody gender!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The issue that actual life sentences can throw up is, how do you punish them further if they break the laws in jail.
The obvious problem with death sentence is, what if you convict the wrong person.
Still I agree it doesn't seem right."
Agree plus if he is killed then his suffering is over. I think life sentence should mean just that. Life in prison until he dies! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Would anyone on her pull the lever, kick the chair away and devastate another family?"
Pretty sure his family is already devastated. They have already lost him and knowing he has brutally murdered his girlfriend that will stay with them forever. That’s why his suffering shouldn’t end in 22 years. Throw awAy the key. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Child abusers I would gladly pull the leaver.
Murder.life should mean life."
Agree. I don’t agree with capital punishment however some seem to have taken it that I am. Life in prison till they die sounds more like a decent a fitting punishment |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Child abusers I would gladly pull the leaver.
Murder.life should mean life.
What punishment for people endangering other people's lives. ?  yawn."
I think the punishment should be left to the family. If my child was murdered or abused I'd prefer to be let into a cell with them tied up and take any revenge I feel worthy of the crime. It pisses me off having to pay to keep these people alive. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Child abusers I would gladly pull the leaver.
Murder.life should mean life.
What punishment for people endangering other people's lives. ? yawn.
I think the punishment should be left to the family. If my child was murdered or abused I'd prefer to be let into a cell with them tied up and take any revenge I feel worthy of the crime. It pisses me off having to pay to keep these people alive. "
True but if we kill them then we aren’t any better than they are... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's a matter of perspective in my opinion. Revenge killing albeit justified is immoral. Capital punishment in the form of justice is, as I see it, necessary. There are those who deserve a chance of rehabilitation, and there are those who are too dangerous. |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
outside your bedroom window ;-) |
"Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum.
Why should we not lose sight of that? Just because “our system” is built on that does not mean everyone bides by it or agrees with it.
If a close female to you was murdered in such a way do you think you’d have the same opinion or would you want him to suffer how she suffered?"
We shouldn't lose sight of it simply because every person makes mistakes in life, some obviously are bigger than others. We obviously have differing opinions however in you close friend or family female (why only female), I see this argument spouted constantly. Law cannot be based on emotion, to want someone killed or incarcerated for life does not mean you loved the murdered person more, it does mean though that your emotions have in a way been defined by revenge, that will not bring anyone back.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum.
Why should we not lose sight of that? Just because “our system” is built on that does not mean everyone bides by it or agrees with it.
If a close female to you was murdered in such a way do you think you’d have the same opinion or would you want him to suffer how she suffered?
We shouldn't lose sight of it simply because every person makes mistakes in life, some obviously are bigger than others. We obviously have differing opinions however in you close friend or family female (why only female), I see this argument spouted constantly. Law cannot be based on emotion, to want someone killed or incarcerated for life does not mean you loved the murdered person more, it does mean though that your emotions have in a way been defined by revenge, that will not bring anyone back.
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I said female because in this case it was a young woman who was murdered.
It’s not about revenge it’s about justice. If you take a life in such a horrible way why is it fair that you still get a chance at one. I believe if it’s manslaughter then they should get a second chance. But if it’s murder like this then they should be put away for life so they don’t have a chance at a normal life as the one he took from her.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Controversial subject that has been debated for years.
There’s always good reasons and justifications for coming down on either side of the fence and I’m just glad to be sitting on it and leave that decision for others   |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Controversial subject that has been debated for years.
There’s always good reasons and justifications for coming down on either side of the fence and I’m just glad to be sitting on it and leave that decision for others "
Very true. However we can have an opinion. But like you say I would hate to be the one making that call. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I live in Brechin and was actually driving past the flat on my way home from a gig as it was happening, I wish I could have gotten my hands on him. She was such a beautiful young lass and deserved nothing like what she got |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I live in Brechin and was actually driving past the flat on my way home from a gig as it was happening, I wish I could have gotten my hands on him. She was such a beautiful young lass and deserved nothing like what she got "
Oh my. Agree. She must have been so scared and died in such pain and horror. He had previous history of domestic abuse. So sad. Poor girl. I have zero sympathy for him. And firmly believe he does not deserve a second chance.
I hope this thought doesn’t haunt you too much as there really was nothing you could have done. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I live in Brechin and was actually driving past the flat on my way home from a gig as it was happening, I wish I could have gotten my hands on him. She was such a beautiful young lass and deserved nothing like what she got
Oh my. Agree. She must have been so scared and died in such pain and horror. He had previous history of domestic abuse. So sad. Poor girl. I have zero sympathy for him. And firmly believe he does not deserve a second chance.
I hope this thought doesn’t haunt you too much as there really was nothing you could have done."
Not going to lie originally it did bother me but my brain finally convinced itself to let it go. He was given a beating a few months earlier by a friend of mine because he was acting like a jealous piece of shit in the pub
Hope he rots like if he gets out and back into Brechin someone else is going to jail |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
outside your bedroom window ;-) |
"Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum.
Why should we not lose sight of that? Just because “our system” is built on that does not mean everyone bides by it or agrees with it.
If a close female to you was murdered in such a way do you think you’d have the same opinion or would you want him to suffer how she suffered?
We shouldn't lose sight of it simply because every person makes mistakes in life, some obviously are bigger than others. We obviously have differing opinions however in you close friend or family female (why only female), I see this argument spouted constantly. Law cannot be based on emotion, to want someone killed or incarcerated for life does not mean you loved the murdered person more, it does mean though that your emotions have in a way been defined by revenge, that will not bring anyone back.
I said female because in this case it was a young woman who was murdered.
It’s not about revenge it’s about justice. If you take a life in such a horrible way why is it fair that you still get a chance at one. I believe if it’s manslaughter then they should get a second chance. But if it’s murder like this then they should be put away for life so they don’t have a chance at a normal life as the one he took from her.
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Fair enough didnt know the female context, your opinion, your entitled to it, 22 years is the minimum though not the maximum and we have lived by these rules successfully for over 40 years. Do you really want to see some massive 16 boy from a council scheme with a shit up upbringing put away forever because he stabbed another guy at a party over a lassie, because that's where a vast amount of these murders are created. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum.
Why should we not lose sight of that? Just because “our system” is built on that does not mean everyone bides by it or agrees with it.
If a close female to you was murdered in such a way do you think you’d have the same opinion or would you want him to suffer how she suffered?
We shouldn't lose sight of it simply because every person makes mistakes in life, some obviously are bigger than others. We obviously have differing opinions however in you close friend or family female (why only female), I see this argument spouted constantly. Law cannot be based on emotion, to want someone killed or incarcerated for life does not mean you loved the murdered person more, it does mean though that your emotions have in a way been defined by revenge, that will not bring anyone back.
I said female because in this case it was a young woman who was murdered.
It’s not about revenge it’s about justice. If you take a life in such a horrible way why is it fair that you still get a chance at one. I believe if it’s manslaughter then they should get a second chance. But if it’s murder like this then they should be put away for life so they don’t have a chance at a normal life as the one he took from her.
Fair enough didnt know the female context, your opinion, your entitled to it, 22 years is the minimum though not the maximum and we have lived by these rules successfully for over 40 years. Do you really want to see some massive 16 boy from a council scheme with a shit up upbringing put away forever because he stabbed another guy at a party over a lassie, because that's where a vast amount of these murders are created."
Maybe in big towns this happens often but in a town of 8000 people this was a shock and there were a lot of people wanting a piece of the guy. A shitty upbringing has nothing to do with this case either as he had both parents who doted over him. A bad up bringing is never an excuse for Christ sake |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum.
Why should we not lose sight of that? Just because “our system” is built on that does not mean everyone bides by it or agrees with it.
If a close female to you was murdered in such a way do you think you’d have the same opinion or would you want him to suffer how she suffered?
We shouldn't lose sight of it simply because every person makes mistakes in life, some obviously are bigger than others. We obviously have differing opinions however in you close friend or family female (why only female), I see this argument spouted constantly. Law cannot be based on emotion, to want someone killed or incarcerated for life does not mean you loved the murdered person more, it does mean though that your emotions have in a way been defined by revenge, that will not bring anyone back.
I said female because in this case it was a young woman who was murdered.
It’s not about revenge it’s about justice. If you take a life in such a horrible way why is it fair that you still get a chance at one. I believe if it’s manslaughter then they should get a second chance. But if it’s murder like this then they should be put away for life so they don’t have a chance at a normal life as the one he took from her.
Fair enough didnt know the female context, your opinion, your entitled to it, 22 years is the minimum though not the maximum and we have lived by these rules successfully for over 40 years. Do you really want to see some massive 16 boy from a council scheme with a shit up upbringing put away forever because he stabbed another guy at a party over a lassie, because that's where a vast amount of these murders are created."
“Lived by these rules successfully” in what way is it successful?
In your scenario...yes! Because that’s justice! There are so many folk who have a terrible childhood but it doesn’t give them a green card to murder someone does it? Our problem in this country is we have so much sympathy for the guilty rather than the actual victim! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum.
Why should we not lose sight of that? Just because “our system” is built on that does not mean everyone bides by it or agrees with it.
If a close female to you was murdered in such a way do you think you’d have the same opinion or would you want him to suffer how she suffered?
We shouldn't lose sight of it simply because every person makes mistakes in life, some obviously are bigger than others. We obviously have differing opinions however in you close friend or family female (why only female), I see this argument spouted constantly. Law cannot be based on emotion, to want someone killed or incarcerated for life does not mean you loved the murdered person more, it does mean though that your emotions have in a way been defined by revenge, that will not bring anyone back.
I said female because in this case it was a young woman who was murdered.
It’s not about revenge it’s about justice. If you take a life in such a horrible way why is it fair that you still get a chance at one. I believe if it’s manslaughter then they should get a second chance. But if it’s murder like this then they should be put away for life so they don’t have a chance at a normal life as the one he took from her.
Fair enough didnt know the female context, your opinion, your entitled to it, 22 years is the minimum though not the maximum and we have lived by these rules successfully for over 40 years. Do you really want to see some massive 16 boy from a council scheme with a shit up upbringing put away forever because he stabbed another guy at a party over a lassie, because that's where a vast amount of these murders are created.
Maybe in big towns this happens often but in a town of 8000 people this was a shock and there were a lot of people wanting a piece of the guy. A shitty upbringing has nothing to do with this case either as he had both parents who doted over him. A bad up bringing is never an excuse for Christ sake "
Oh I bet there was and in 22 years hopefully they will get that chance. His poor parents will now have to live knowing what he did as well. I murdering her he hasn’t only stolen her life but the lives of so many others so 22 is no justice at all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Contentious but I dont agree, our system is built on the foundations of second chance for all if they have found to have changed their behaviours. We can never lose sight of that.
He will do 22 years as a minimum.
Why should we not lose sight of that? Just because “our system” is built on that does not mean everyone bides by it or agrees with it.
If a close female to you was murdered in such a way do you think you’d have the same opinion or would you want him to suffer how she suffered?
We shouldn't lose sight of it simply because every person makes mistakes in life, some obviously are bigger than others. We obviously have differing opinions however in you close friend or family female (why only female), I see this argument spouted constantly. Law cannot be based on emotion, to want someone killed or incarcerated for life does not mean you loved the murdered person more, it does mean though that your emotions have in a way been defined by revenge, that will not bring anyone back.
I said female because in this case it was a young woman who was murdered.
It’s not about revenge it’s about justice. If you take a life in such a horrible way why is it fair that you still get a chance at one. I believe if it’s manslaughter then they should get a second chance. But if it’s murder like this then they should be put away for life so they don’t have a chance at a normal life as the one he took from her.
Fair enough didnt know the female context, your opinion, your entitled to it, 22 years is the minimum though not the maximum and we have lived by these rules successfully for over 40 years. Do you really want to see some massive 16 boy from a council scheme with a shit up upbringing put away forever because he stabbed another guy at a party over a lassie, because that's where a vast amount of these murders are created.
Maybe in big towns this happens often but in a town of 8000 people this was a shock and there were a lot of people wanting a piece of the guy. A shitty upbringing has nothing to do with this case either as he had both parents who doted over him. A bad up bringing is never an excuse for Christ sake
Oh I bet there was and in 22 years hopefully they will get that chance. His poor parents will now have to live knowing what he did as well. I murdering her he hasn’t only stolen her life but the lives of so many others so 22 is no justice at all. "
Unfortunately it fortunately depends how you look at it, I don’t think he’ll make 22 years, someone will have him before then in the nick if he doesn’t do it himself |
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