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Is it right that the government should help out airlines?
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I'm kinda split with this one.
On one hand
Countless job's at risk.
On the other
Greedy airlines didn't slash prices to help us common folk who have struggled in the past particularly at times of hardship do they subsidise us if we need to use essential travel and are they genuinely making an effort to curb pollution?
So it's the banks once again back in the last recession coming to the taxpayer with cap in hand.
But maybe much like we are being left to fend for ourselves y the government survival of the fittest...
Maybe same should apply for industry.
But at what cost to the working man/woman??
Why can't the mega rich airline owner's dig into their own personal fortune's to bail out the airlines first before turning up with the begging bowl?
After Flybe collapse perhaps their is a justification for a national airline run by the government with no add on costs? |
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over a year ago
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"I'm kinda split with this one.
On one hand
Countless job's at risk.
On the other
Greedy airlines didn't slash prices to help us common folk who have struggled in the past particularly at times of hardship do they subsidise us if we need to use essential travel and are they genuinely making an effort to curb pollution?
So it's the banks once again back in the last recession coming to the taxpayer with cap in hand.
But maybe much like we are being left to fend for ourselves y the government survival of the fittest...
Maybe same should apply for industry.
But at what cost to the working man/woman??
Why can't the mega rich airline owner's dig into their own personal fortune's to bail out the airlines first before turning up with the begging bowl?
After Flybe collapse perhaps their is a justification for a national airline run by the government with no add on costs?"
I agree, it is a difficult one, I don’t know how these bail outs work but would the government be entitled to get some or all of the money back?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No sounds harsh but any privately owned company shouldn't get help unless directors and bosses put everything they own and shares into the government's hands. |
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"No sounds harsh but any privately owned company shouldn't get help unless directors and bosses put everything they own and shares into the government's hands."
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over a year ago
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My thoughts are all travel should be put on hold for at least 3 months. It should with hindsight been done in the beginning, but we are where we are now and drastic measures need to be taken.
Mortgage companies have announced they will give people a 3 month holiday who are effected by corona...so maybe the financial companies who hold the purse strings to a lot of airlines should act in the same way, and planes need to be mothballed during this period.
People will have a hard time...but this was always going to happen anyhow and hey I talk to people all around the world on whatsapp...so it is do-able |
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over a year ago
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The list of industries that will be put out of business by this lot is endless. Just getting over the endless Brexit bollocks and now this pile of even worse bollocks has appeared from absolutely nowhere (well Wuhan to be precise). In the words of Victor Meldrew " well I don't bloody well belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve it".
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"My thoughts are all travel should be put on hold for at least 3 months. It should with hindsight been done in the beginning, but we are where we are now and drastic measures need to be taken.
Mortgage companies have announced they will give people a 3 month holiday who are effected by corona...so maybe the financial companies who hold the purse strings to a lot of airlines should act in the same way, and planes need to be mothballed during this period.
People will have a hard time...but this was always going to happen anyhow and hey I talk to people all around the world on whatsapp...so it is do-able"
So are the mortgage companies going to stop the interest too ? |
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"My thoughts are all travel should be put on hold for at least 3 months. It should with hindsight been done in the beginning, but we are where we are now and drastic measures need to be taken.
Mortgage companies have announced they will give people a 3 month holiday who are effected by corona...so maybe the financial companies who hold the purse strings to a lot of airlines should act in the same way, and planes need to be mothballed during this period.
People will have a hard time...but this was always going to happen anyhow and hey I talk to people all around the world on whatsapp...so it is do-able
So are the mortgage companies going to stop the interest too ?"
Probably not but not certain...but hey if they do the interest rate is as low as it can get. The point is nobody should lose out on this and if your just talking mortgages fair enough but I was giving what I thought was a good solution to the airline industry and the spread of this. Let's be honest if it continues the way it is with hardly anyone on the planes...they will go bust in no time.
Far better to put everything on hold now...dont you think? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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It wont just be airlines going bust over this, when they start shutting down shops,pubs,restaurants etc many of them will not recover putting hundreds of thousands if not millions of people out of work. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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i think they are not going to have much choice but to at least take a share in airlines....
if airlines go to the wall... less flights.. less flights mean less competition..... less competition means prices on routes will go up!
i expect a few to go to the wall.... unless you are "middle eastern" or a "state owned" carrier then no airline is going to be safe!
to be honest... anyone with an "norwegian air" ticket at the moment i'd be bricking it... i don't think they will get the chance to use it...
as i said in another thread... shed load of airlines in trouble...
lufthansa, delta, KLM have decided to basically shelve all their 747's, British Airways
there are so many jobs in the airline industry.... if you thought flybe and thomas cook airlines going bust was rough, if one of the "legacy carries" goes belly up... that will look like nothing!!! |
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"i think they are not going to have much choice but to at least take a share in airlines....
if airlines go to the wall... less flights.. less flights mean less competition..... less competition means prices on routes will go up!
i expect a few to go to the wall.... unless you are "middle eastern" or a "state owned" carrier then no airline is going to be safe!
to be honest... anyone with an "norwegian air" ticket at the moment i'd be bricking it... i don't think they will get the chance to use it...
as i said in another thread... shed load of airlines in trouble...
lufthansa, delta, KLM have decided to basically shelve all their 747's, British Airways
there are so many jobs in the airline industry.... if you thought flybe and thomas cook airlines going bust was rough, if one of the "legacy carries" goes belly up... that will look like nothing!!!"
As I type this I've just heard Qatar have stopped all planes landing in Doha airport. So it seems we are not going to be able to fly anywhere very soon.
Do you not think it's better to ground flights now?
I know at lot of people work for them but I think in the long term they will be better off myself. |
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No we shouldn’t help out any businesses anywhere . As long as no one dies , jobs , the economy , everything else comes second. Every penny left in everyone’s bank account should be given to Boris to spend on respirator thingys. We don’t need sport, weddings funerals, pubs, hotels, the olympics, hobbies; none of that is important if every last penny can be spent on saving us all
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"i think they are not going to have much choice but to at least take a share in airlines....
if airlines go to the wall... less flights.. less flights mean less competition..... less competition means prices on routes will go up!
i expect a few to go to the wall.... unless you are "middle eastern" or a "state owned" carrier then no airline is going to be safe!
to be honest... anyone with an "norwegian air" ticket at the moment i'd be bricking it... i don't think they will get the chance to use it...
as i said in another thread... shed load of airlines in trouble...
lufthansa, delta, KLM have decided to basically shelve all their 747's, British Airways
there are so many jobs in the airline industry.... if you thought flybe and thomas cook airlines going bust was rough, if one of the "legacy carries" goes belly up... that will look like nothing!!!"
I worked at Heathrow airport for many years I know firsthand exactly what the impact would be we lived and grew up very close to the airport also and it's terrifying how many Jobs are reliant on the airport being healthy. And that's just one airport!!!
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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As I type this I've just heard Qatar have stopped all planes landing in Doha airport. So it seems we are not going to be able to fly anywhere very soon.
Do you not think it's better to ground flights now?
I know at lot of people work for them but I think in the long term they will be better off myself."
not quite right....
what qatar have said is that passenger flights in effect Doha will become a "transit airport" only..... in that you will be able to transfer from flight to flight... but not in effect leave the airport itself (so they are not allowing people into the actual country as such!) |
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"No we shouldn’t help out any businesses anywhere . As long as no one dies , jobs , the economy , everything else comes second. Every penny left in everyone’s bank account should be given to Boris to spend on respirator thingys. We don’t need sport, weddings funerals, pubs, hotels, the olympics, hobbies; none of that is important if every last penny can be spent on saving us all
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So we'll die of boredom and starvation instead ffs wise up |
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"No we shouldn’t help out any businesses anywhere . As long as no one dies , jobs , the economy , everything else comes second. Every penny left in everyone’s bank account should be given to Boris to spend on respirator thingys. We don’t need sport, weddings funerals, pubs, hotels, the olympics, hobbies; none of that is important if every last penny can be spent on saving us all
So we'll die of boredom and starvation instead ffs wise up"
I’ve just sold my house , closed all my bank accounts and sent all the cash to Boris for him to buy more stuff to make sure I don’t die. C’mon ppl... let’s all do the same. |
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"No we shouldn’t help out any businesses anywhere . As long as no one dies , jobs , the economy , everything else comes second. Every penny left in everyone’s bank account should be given to Boris to spend on respirator thingys. We don’t need sport, weddings funerals, pubs, hotels, the olympics, hobbies; none of that is important if every last penny can be spent on saving us all
You really are an idiot !!
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"No we shouldn’t help out any businesses anywhere . As long as no one dies , jobs , the economy , everything else comes second. Every penny left in everyone’s bank account should be given to Boris to spend on respirator thingys. We don’t need sport, weddings funerals, pubs, hotels, the olympics, hobbies; none of that is important if every last penny can be spent on saving us all
You really are an idiot !!
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As I type this I've just heard Qatar have stopped all planes landing in Doha airport. So it seems we are not going to be able to fly anywhere very soon.
Do you not think it's better to ground flights now?
I know at lot of people work for them but I think in the long term they will be better off myself.
not quite right....
what qatar have said is that passenger flights in effect Doha will become a "transit airport" only..... in that you will be able to transfer from flight to flight... but not in effect leave the airport itself (so they are not allowing people into the actual country as such!)"
Came back from Qatar in November. They have been blockaded border wise for some time now by Saudi. So they have now completely self isolated the whole country. They have been aiming to go self sufficient for some time.
They have excellent free medical care and are putting people with symptoms up in a five star hotel. Be interesting to see how long they take to get this under control undertaking this strategy. I’m guess they will have nipped in the bud in under a month. However infections will start again unless the world gets it under control
Great country to visit for a couple of days when everything gets back to normal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Love to see the smile wiped off Michael O'leary's face by being forced to sell his Prize race horses that he has invested so much of our cash before he gets a brass penny of tax payers money. No doubt he has limited his liability very well so will just walk away scott free. |
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"Love to see the smile wiped off Michael O'leary's face by being forced to sell his Prize race horses that he has invested so much of our cash before he gets a brass penny of tax payers money. No doubt he has limited his liability very well so will just walk away scott free."
Or how about making Richard Branson sell his lovely island in the Caribbean. |
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ofcourse the Government should step in and help Richard Branson
how is he expected to run both his airlines and his space exploration program?
without help he may have to go into his own £Billions to keep them running. |
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"ofcourse the Government should step in and help Richard Branson
how is he expected to run both his airlines and his space exploration program?
without help he may have to go into his own £Billions to keep them running."
And maybe read before you type
Richard Branson Charity Work, Events and Causes. Branson has pledged to commit $3 billion, all profits from his travel firms over the next ten years, to the reduction of global warming. He has previously donated to educational charities in Africa. ... Sir Richard Branson is Founder and Chairman of the Virgin Group. |
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"ofcourse the Government should step in and help Richard Branson
how is he expected to run both his airlines and his space exploration program?
without help he may have to go into his own £Billions to keep them running.
And maybe read before you type
Richard Branson Charity Work, Events and Causes. Branson has pledged to commit $3 billion, all profits from his travel firms over the next ten years, to the reduction of global warming. He has previously donated to educational charities in Africa. ... Sir Richard Branson is Founder and Chairman of the Virgin Group."
pmsl
to the reduction of global warming.
so he throws a small amount of his profit to fight what he was at the front of causing
you cant make this shit up |
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"Love to see the smile wiped off Michael O'leary's face by being forced to sell his Prize race horses that he has invested so much of our cash before he gets a brass penny of tax payers money. No doubt he has limited his liability very well so will just walk away scott free."
Why would the British government help a foreign airline? |
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"i think they are not going to have much choice but to at least take a share in airlines....
if airlines go to the wall... less flights.. less flights mean less competition..... less competition means prices on routes will go up!
i expect a few to go to the wall.... unless you are "middle eastern" or a "state owned" carrier then no airline is going to be safe!
to be honest... anyone with an "norwegian air" ticket at the moment i'd be bricking it... i don't think they will get the chance to use it...
as i said in another thread... shed load of airlines in trouble...
lufthansa, delta, KLM have decided to basically shelve all their 747's, British Airways
there are so many jobs in the airline industry.... if you thought flybe and thomas cook airlines going bust was rough, if one of the "legacy carries" goes belly up... that will look like nothing!!!
I worked at Heathrow airport for many years I know firsthand exactly what the impact would be we lived and grew up very close to the airport also and it's terrifying how many Jobs are reliant on the airport being healthy. And that's just one airport!!!
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Yes. Heathrow provides over 70,000 jobs. Add to that the number of jobs indirectly supported and it will run to well over 100,000.
Put the other UK airports into the mix and the job losses could total over a million.
I'm no lover of government intervention but in this case when the airlines are being hammered through no fault of their own, I would support it. But with serious strings attached.
Oh and yes, Norwegian have been on thin ice for a while and unless bailed out by Norway I expect them to be one of the first to go. |
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"Love to see the smile wiped off Michael O'leary's face by being forced to sell his Prize race horses that he has invested so much of our cash before he gets a brass penny of tax payers money. No doubt he has limited his liability very well so will just walk away scott free.
Why would the British government help a foreign airline?"
Thinking about it I could also say the same about Virgin.
They may be British flagged but the biggest shareholder is Delta (American) |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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Surely there's an opportunity here.
Cabin crew are focused customer care personnel. They are capable in working in a regimented way.
Could we not pay them to help out in this crisis? Looking after the elderly etc. There must be a myriad of things that they could do. |
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I'd be free with controlled help, that has ownership rights and future restrictions.
Branson has reneged on a train franchise, so has form for being helped by us.
I'd probably stipulate greater regional airports use in future, instead of London centric flights. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i find no sympathy whatsoever for any billionaires seeking government subsidies for any business when small companies go to the wall.
As previous people say, first the owner should do everything in their power and from their own pocket, to fund and sustain the issues surrounding this, before receiving a cent and secondly, should they receive that cent, the business is then government owned.
I feel so strongly about this I really hope there is something akin to a coup should any government try to bail out an owner with billions in the bank. |
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"Surely there's an opportunity here.
Cabin crew are focused customer care personnel. They are capable in working in a regimented way.
Could we not pay them to help out in this crisis? Looking after the elderly etc. There must be a myriad of things that they could do. "
What about all the people we pay to sit on their arse claiming benefit ?
Will they be drafted ? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Love to see the smile wiped off Michael O'leary's face by being forced to sell his Prize race horses that he has invested so much of our cash before he gets a brass penny of tax payers money. No doubt he has limited his liability very well so will just walk away scott free.
Why would the British government help a foreign airline?
Thinking about it I could also say the same about Virgin.
They may be British flagged but the biggest shareholder is Delta (American)"
because of ways merger rules work, yes delta owns 49% of virgin, but they are still british and have a british executive board.....
if there is no uk bailout of some point you can say goodbye to virgin, to easyjet and probably BA, and like i said if BA goes belly up, you are going to see a whole world of hurt!!!!
this may finally be the time when you see ryanair and aer lingus finally merge in some sort..... |
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I think it’s a bloody cheek them asking for a bail out. I live near Exeter airport where Flybe were based. When the government was going to bail them out Ryanair and several other airlines threatened to take the government to court over it . Unfair they said, against the rules they said . Look at them now . |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Love to see the smile wiped off Michael O'leary's face by being forced to sell his Prize race horses that he has invested so much of our cash before he gets a brass penny of tax payers money. No doubt he has limited his liability very well so will just walk away scott free.
Why would the British government help a foreign airline?
Thinking about it I could also say the same about Virgin.
They may be British flagged but the biggest shareholder is Delta (American)
because of ways merger rules work, yes delta owns 49% of virgin, but they are still british and have a british executive board.....
if there is no uk bailout of some point you can say goodbye to virgin, to easyjet and probably BA, and like i said if BA goes belly up, you are going to see a whole world of hurt!!!!
this may finally be the time when you see ryanair and aer lingus finally merge in some sort..... "
BA has £9bn of reserves, and will use this opportunity to either get rid or downsize Virgin, especially on the lucrative North America route. |
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"Love to see the smile wiped off Michael O'leary's face by being forced to sell his Prize race horses that he has invested so much of our cash before he gets a brass penny of tax payers money. No doubt he has limited his liability very well so will just walk away scott free.
Why would the British government help a foreign airline?
Thinking about it I could also say the same about Virgin.
They may be British flagged but the biggest shareholder is Delta (American)
because of ways merger rules work, yes delta owns 49% of virgin, but they are still british and have a british executive board.....
if there is no uk bailout of some point you can say goodbye to virgin, to easyjet and probably BA, and like i said if BA goes belly up, you are going to see a whole world of hurt!!!!
this may finally be the time when you see ryanair and aer lingus finally merge in some sort..... "
Virgin are a shit airline to fly with long haul, not impressed with them and wont fly with them again especially now as they have forced 8 weeks unpaid leave on their employees,
the benefits they offer their employees are shit, utter crap, so why fly with them. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I'm kinda split with this one.
On one hand
Countless job's at risk.
On the other
Greedy airlines didn't slash prices to help us common folk who have struggled in the past particularly at times of hardship do they subsidise us if we need to use essential travel and are they genuinely making an effort to curb pollution?
So it's the banks once again back in the last recession coming to the taxpayer with cap in hand.
But maybe much like we are being left to fend for ourselves y the government survival of the fittest...
Maybe same should apply for industry.
But at what cost to the working man/woman??
Why can't the mega rich airline owner's dig into their own personal fortune's to bail out the airlines first before turning up with the begging bowl?
After Flybe collapse perhaps their is a justification for a national airline run by the government with no add on costs?"
Every international airline will be bankrupt in three months.
All servicing.
All airports.
All ground transportation to and from airports.
All aircrft manufacturers and engine suppliers will at the very least have to lay off staff before also closing their factories.
All suppliers to the aircraft industry will have to do the same.
Then all of the business that relies on this stack of salaries.
Then multiply this by a fall in global demand for all goods.
All external entertainment.
Who still thinks that the economy and stock market will grow forever?
This should be every government intervening on every level.
During the last financial crisis every major government and head of state worked together.
This time around because of the chorus of the nationalist it's every selfish individual nation for itself.
Lucky us. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Looks like one day after requesting several billion, Mr Branson is getting it..... having already taken millions out of the NHS.....Meanwhile he’s cosseted on his Caribbean island.... |
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Well, well. How much things have moved on in just two days.
Looks like the entirety of world commerce is going to need a bailout - and a fucking great big one.
Covid 19 is to the global economy what the asteroid was to the dinosaurs.
And we know how long it took the mammals to get their act together after that. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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reakon i gonna be out of a job in the nxt month or so.supply stores in most of the major airports round the country.work as more than halved in the last 8 or 9 days yesterday we done absolutley nothing same friday so will have to wait and see.already been and got housing and council tsx benefit forms so am ready to sling them in straight away.oh well such is life |
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"reakon i gonna be out of a job in the nxt month or so.supply stores in most of the major airports round the country.work as more than halved in the last 8 or 9 days yesterday we done absolutley nothing same friday so will have to wait and see.already been and got housing and council tsx benefit forms so am ready to sling them in straight away.oh well such is life"
At least you are looking forward and getting prepaired, I do hope your job is safe
I have been retired for 2 years now, and good pension, but if still employed, I would be concerned no matter what job |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"reakon i gonna be out of a job in the nxt month or so.supply stores in most of the major airports round the country.work as more than halved in the last 8 or 9 days yesterday we done absolutley nothing same friday so will have to wait and see.already been and got housing and council tsx benefit forms so am ready to sling them in straight away.oh well such is life
At least you are looking forward and getting prepaired, I do hope your job is safe
I have been retired for 2 years now, and good pension, but if still employed, I would be concerned no matter what job"
shit happens mate wouldnt be the first time i been in the shit and pretty sure it wouldnt be the last.oh well could always catch up on things that need doing round the flat lol |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
well that came a bit quicker than i expected last full week nxt week then onto 3 day weeks.in april reakon my firm will have gone under by may.m.d was holding back tears why he told us makes me think the company in a worse state than he was letting on |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"well that came a bit quicker than i expected last full week nxt week then onto 3 day weeks.in april reakon my firm will have gone under by may.m.d was holding back tears why he told us makes me think the company in a worse state than he was letting on"
Good luck! Hope things improve and quickly for you and all your workmates.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We were hoping to secure a new aerospace component contract next week but Boeing are shutting the uk and most EU operations for the foreseeable future.
It’s not just the staff involved in the flights or the airports the airlines effect it’s the knock on through the whole industrial manufacturing and service sector. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"well that came a bit quicker than i expected last full week nxt week then onto 3 day weeks.in april reakon my firm will have gone under by may.m.d was holding back tears why he told us makes me think the company in a worse state than he was letting on
Good luck! Hope things improve and quickly for you and all your workmates.
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cheers mate.it is what it is been in tighter spots than this work wise so sure i will manage bit shit all the same though  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"well that came a bit quicker than i expected last full week nxt week then onto 3 day weeks.in april reakon my firm will have gone under by may.m.d was holding back tears why he told us makes me think the company in a worse state than he was letting on"
At the very least this country has some kind of a safety net.
It could be a while though but just for a change it looks like the government may take the situation for those out of work seriously.
Good luck. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I don't think they should help out the airlines.
Look at the last airline to go under, the high ups were still taking bonuses as the company went under."
This is every airline and every aircraft manufacturer and every supplier.
We should let them all fold? |
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"I don't think they should help out the airlines.
Look at the last airline to go under, the high ups were still taking bonuses as the company went under.
This is every airline and every aircraft manufacturer and every supplier.
We should let them all fold?"
Yes.
Why do we insist of rewarding incompetence.
We do it with high level management, investment bankers, etc. If the fuck up they get a reward and keep their job. The entry level workers fuck up, they lose their jobs. |
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over a year ago
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"I don't think they should help out the airlines.
Look at the last airline to go under, the high ups were still taking bonuses as the company went under.
This is every airline and every aircraft manufacturer and every supplier.
We should let them all fold?
Yes.
Why do we insist of rewarding incompetence.
We do it with high level management, investment bankers, etc. If the fuck up they get a reward and keep their job. The entry level workers fuck up, they lose their jobs."
How are company closures due to this situation caused by incompetence in management?
How was I or any other business owner supposed to put in measures to mitigate a situation like this.
I assume your job is completely safe, civil service or other state employee or you are so foresighted you saw this coming and have set measures in place so your company is fully protected.
But I doubt it and assume you haven’t a clue and are just spouting bollocks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why would anyone want to bail put Ryanair? They won't refund legitimate claims from customers."
Ryanair are Ireland based I believe, so Ireland’s problem.
Have only flown with them once and have never even looked at their prices or schedules since.
But I still can’t see it’s Ryan airs managements fault the world is in crisis.
The fact they are still treating customers like shit, it would seem from comments that the web site has been set up to be obstructive and they are doing anything to avoid meeting obligations.
This is unfortunately symptomatic of their management approach and once all this nightmare is over hopefully people will vote with there feet and then if they go to the wall it will be because of incompetence, arrogance and ugly ruthless business practices and will not be worthy of any help, in my opinion.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Why would anyone want to bail put Ryanair? They won't refund legitimate claims from customers."
Fortunately they are Irish. I've not heard anything about the Irish goverment offering any money to them. Maybe an Irish correspondent could enlighten us? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I don't think they should help out the airlines.
Look at the last airline to go under, the high ups were still taking bonuses as the company went under.
This is every airline and every aircraft manufacturer and every supplier.
We should let them all fold?
Yes.
Why do we insist of rewarding incompetence.
We do it with high level management, investment bankers, etc. If the fuck up they get a reward and keep their job. The entry level workers fuck up, they lose their jobs.
How are company closures due to this situation caused by incompetence in management?
How was I or any other business owner supposed to put in measures to mitigate a situation like this.
I assume your job is completely safe, civil service or other state employee or you are so foresighted you saw this coming and have set measures in place so your company is fully protected.
But I doubt it and assume you haven’t a clue and are just spouting bollocks."
Precisely. An industry with zero income running on narrow margins shuts down very quickly.
How many companies have plans to allow 3-6 months of no sales?
The automotive industry could find itself in the same place. This knocks onto to everything else down to raw materials.
Once all these capital intensive industries shut down they are very hard to restart. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"well that came a bit quicker than i expected last full week nxt week then onto 3 day weeks.in april reakon my firm will have gone under by may.m.d was holding back tears why he told us makes me think the company in a worse state than he was letting on
At the very least this country has some kind of a safety net.
It could be a while though but just for a change it looks like the government may take the situation for those out of work seriously.
Good luck."
think i gona need more than luck lol.been looking at trying to get a cpl of days elsewhere to make up the difference but it zero hour jobs so have to be available when they want ya.and while i still have 3 days a week at ny main job think i gona claim tax credits so can get help with rent and council tax |
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"well that came a bit quicker than i expected last full week nxt week then onto 3 day weeks.in april reakon my firm will have gone under by may.m.d was holding back tears why he told us makes me think the company in a worse state than he was letting on
At the very least this country has some kind of a safety net.
It could be a while though but just for a change it looks like the government may take the situation for those out of work seriously.
Good luck.
think i gona need more than luck lol.been looking at trying to get a cpl of days elsewhere to make up the difference but it zero hour jobs so have to be available when they want ya.and while i still have 3 days a week at ny main job think i gona claim tax credits so can get help with rent and council tax"
is there not a 3 month freeze on rent/mortgage
or is it for mortgage only
heard one guy say on Jeremy Vine yesterday that he had phoned his bank and they said he wasn't entitled as he had the mortgage for less than 12 months and also that he had not paid back 25%
so he wasn't entitled to the 3 month freeze |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why would anyone want to bail put Ryanair? They won't refund legitimate claims from customers."
But but But...... Michael O'leary has got race horses to pay for and a life of luxury to keep up. We can't allow him not to own the grand national winner. He is a grand national treasure. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Why would anyone want to bail put Ryanair? They won't refund legitimate claims from customers.
But but But...... Michael O'leary has got race horses to pay for and a life of luxury to keep up. We can't allow him not to own the grand national winner. He is a grand national treasure."
He was quick to go complaining to the EU about the proposed financing to Flybe.
Maybe he needs reminding of his obligations under EU travel law. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"well that came a bit quicker than i expected last full week nxt week then onto 3 day weeks.in april reakon my firm will have gone under by may.m.d was holding back tears why he told us makes me think the company in a worse state than he was letting on
At the very least this country has some kind of a safety net.
It could be a while though but just for a change it looks like the government may take the situation for those out of work seriously.
Good luck.
think i gona need more than luck lol.been looking at trying to get a cpl of days elsewhere to make up the difference but it zero hour jobs so have to be available when they want ya.and while i still have 3 days a week at ny main job think i gona claim tax credits so can get help with rent and council tax"
Obviously you can help make your own luck and you are doing the things that you have control over.
I guess you have to find a way to make peace with the things that you cannot control.
The zero hours issue puts the lie to the increase in employment that has been sold as being so good. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Why would anyone want to bail put Ryanair? They won't refund legitimate claims from customers.
But but But...... Michael O'leary has got race horses to pay for and a life of luxury to keep up. We can't allow him not to own the grand national winner. He is a grand national treasure.
He was quick to go complaining to the EU about the proposed financing to Flybe.
Maybe he needs reminding of his obligations under EU travel law. "
That was a very different situation though.
Flybe was unsustainable under normal conditions, not unprecedented ones. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"well that came a bit quicker than i expected last full week nxt week then onto 3 day weeks.in april reakon my firm will have gone under by may.m.d was holding back tears why he told us makes me think the company in a worse state than he was letting on
At the very least this country has some kind of a safety net.
It could be a while though but just for a change it looks like the government may take the situation for those out of work seriously.
Good luck.
think i gona need more than luck lol.been looking at trying to get a cpl of days elsewhere to make up the difference but it zero hour jobs so have to be available when they want ya.and while i still have 3 days a week at ny main job think i gona claim tax credits so can get help with rent and council tax
is there not a 3 month freeze on rent/mortgage
or is it for mortgage only
heard one guy say on Jeremy Vine yesterday that he had phoned his bank and they said he wasn't entitled as he had the mortgage for less than 12 months and also that he had not paid back 25%
so he wasn't entitled to the 3 month freeze"
only help for mortgages at the mo and then not everyone will qualify for help.be intresting once this is over to see them try to start evicting people end up seeing landlords lynched |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Why would anyone want to bail put Ryanair? They won't refund legitimate claims from customers.
But but But...... Michael O'leary has got race horses to pay for and a life of luxury to keep up. We can't allow him not to own the grand national winner. He is a grand national treasure.
He was quick to go complaining to the EU about the proposed financing to Flybe.
Maybe he needs reminding of his obligations under EU travel law.
That was a very different situation though.
Flybe was unsustainable under normal conditions, not unprecedented ones."
So you're advocating Ryanair not paying any refunds? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Why would anyone want to bail put Ryanair? They won't refund legitimate claims from customers.
But but But...... Michael O'leary has got race horses to pay for and a life of luxury to keep up. We can't allow him not to own the grand national winner. He is a grand national treasure.
He was quick to go complaining to the EU about the proposed financing to Flybe.
Maybe he needs reminding of his obligations under EU travel law.
That was a very different situation though.
Flybe was unsustainable under normal conditions, not unprecedented ones.
So you're advocating Ryanair not paying any refunds? "
No. Ryanair should pay as required.
They are unrelated matters. |
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"I don't think they should help out the airlines.
Look at the last airline to go under, the high ups were still taking bonuses as the company went under.
This is every airline and every aircraft manufacturer and every supplier.
We should let them all fold?
Yes.
Why do we insist of rewarding incompetence.
We do it with high level management, investment bankers, etc. If the fuck up they get a reward and keep their job. The entry level workers fuck up, they lose their jobs.
How are company closures due to this situation caused by incompetence in management?
How was I or any other business owner supposed to put in measures to mitigate a situation like this.
I assume your job is completely safe, civil service or other state employee or you are so foresighted you saw this coming and have set measures in place so your company is fully protected.
But I doubt it and assume you haven’t a clue and are just spouting bollocks."
Peter Fankhauser also told the Mail on Sunday that saying farewell to staff had been "heartbreaking".
The 178-year-old travel firm collapsed this week, putting 9,000 staff in the UK out of work - and leaving 150,000 British holidaymakers stuck overseas.
But Mr Fankhauser defended the £8.3m he has been paid since November 2014, and denied he was a "fat cat". |
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"I don't think they should help out the airlines.
Look at the last airline to go under, the high ups were still taking bonuses as the company went under.
This is every airline and every aircraft manufacturer and every supplier.
We should let them all fold?
Yes.
Why do we insist of rewarding incompetence.
We do it with high level management, investment bankers, etc. If the fuck up they get a reward and keep their job. The entry level workers fuck up, they lose their jobs.
How are company closures due to this situation caused by incompetence in management?
How was I or any other business owner supposed to put in measures to mitigate a situation like this.
I assume your job is completely safe, civil service or other state employee or you are so foresighted you saw this coming and have set measures in place so your company is fully protected.
But I doubt it and assume you haven’t a clue and are just spouting bollocks."
How many times was Monarch on the verge of collapse, only to be bailed out on more than one occasion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If the government help any of the airlines, or other big business, they should be given a share of the company and all future profits. In my opinion that will put a lot off and they use their cash reserves instead.
Also interesting to hear how they have inflated prices for people trying to return home. £1,000 for a one way flight from Malaga. Bunch of piss taking c****. |
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