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the COVID 19 thread 2 (lets keep it to this one)
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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A good thread started by Fabio so I thought it needed extending.
So I'll start with the last post from keeley
"I suggest you listen to the entire press conference from just mild symptoms don't mean shit"
I watched the entire thing, those with symptoms, even mild ones should self isolate for at least 7 days. This advice comes from experts and professionals. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I suggest you listen to the entire press conference from just mild symptoms don't mean shit"
I watched the entire thing, those with symptoms, even mild ones should self isolate for at least 7 days. This advice comes from experts and professionals. "
All I will say to that is were the 7 days falls apart is by not giving SSP to everyone who need to isolate for them 7 days....boris just waffles through that question.
So it makes me think it's more about money then the spread of this ending the life early of many of our loved ones to which he open the announcement  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It needs the whole nation to take responsible action the government cant do it on their own. "
Of course totally agree but the problem will come from people who are already struggling to make ends meet.
SSP is £94 per week but you lose the first 3 days, so in effect you would only receive around £37 for your week in isolation compared to around £300 per week for a minimum wage worker working 40 hours.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It needs the whole nation to take responsible action the government cant do it on their own.
Of course totally agree but the problem will come from people who are already struggling to make ends meet.
SSP is £94 per week but you lose the first 3 days, so in effect you would only receive around £37 for your week in isolation compared to around £300 per week for a minimum wage worker working 40 hours.
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I think if you qualify for SSP you will get it from day 1.
But it's a minefield it seems as I've just heard on the news from some expert saying, if you phone in sick with COVID-19 you will be covered...but if your only isolating with the sniffles, as they are telling you to do!
Wait for it.....you will get nothing.
Where did that old Tory catchphrase of "we are all in this together" go ffs |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It needs the whole nation to take responsible action the government cant do it on their own.
Of course totally agree but the problem will come from people who are already struggling to make ends meet.
SSP is £94 per week but you lose the first 3 days, so in effect you would only receive around £37 for your week in isolation compared to around £300 per week for a minimum wage worker working 40 hours.
I think if you qualify for SSP you will get it from day 1.
But it's a minefield it seems as I've just heard on the news from some expert saying, if you phone in sick with COVID-19 you will be covered...but if your only isolating with the sniffles, as they are telling you to do!
Wait for it.....you will get nothing.
Where did that old Tory catchphrase of "we are all in this together" go ffs "
Exactly this they will only pay you the princely sum of £94 pw only if you test positive for covid-19 and not just for self isolation |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It needs the whole nation to take responsible action the government cant do it on their own. "
Are you suggesting a referendum? I'm sure with the right propaganda enough people will vote for Coronovirus. |
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This virus is new since china started its lock downs - what 2 months ago.
We do not know how this thing is going to react in a full 3 - 6 months time let alone a year.
Not sure our governments aproach is the correct one ??? Compared to the rest of the world. France - Italy - denmark etc etc. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"This virus is new since china started its lock downs - what 2 months ago.
We do not know how this thing is going to react in a full 3 - 6 months time let alone a year.
Not sure our governments aproach is the correct one ??? Compared to the rest of the world. France - Italy - denmark etc etc."
I suggest you watch bbc news channel there is a live broadcast from the who in geneva at this very moment. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"This virus is new since china started its lock downs - what 2 months ago.
We do not know how this thing is going to react in a full 3 - 6 months time let alone a year.
Not sure our governments aproach is the correct one ??? Compared to the rest of the world. France - Italy - denmark etc etc."
There is a staged response to the virus, every country is going through the same process, just at different times due to the different level of infection, all is WHO guidelines.
This virus is just the same as flu or colds we will all almost cetainly contract it at some point, just like all other viruses we will then develop immunity just as we do to flu and colds, the problem is they mutate so we can catch the mutation, we have to hope that this virus doesnt, but like colds and flu if the mutation isnt large we only catch mild version, "real" flu is very serious, but most of us only catch that once or twice in our lives when we havent had one of the previous mutations to help keep our immunity level up.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"This virus is new since china started its lock downs - what 2 months ago.
We do not know how this thing is going to react in a full 3 - 6 months time let alone a year.
Not sure our governments aproach is the correct one ??? Compared to the rest of the world. France - Italy - denmark etc etc.
There is a staged response to the virus, every country is going through the same process, just at different times due to the different level of infection, all is WHO guidelines.
This virus is just the same as flu or colds we will all almost cetainly contract it at some point, just like all other viruses we will then develop immunity just as we do to flu and colds, the problem is they mutate so we can catch the mutation, we have to hope that this virus doesnt, but like colds and flu if the mutation isnt large we only catch mild version, "real" flu is very serious, but most of us only catch that once or twice in our lives when we havent had one of the previous mutations to help keep our immunity level up.
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Yep tried explaining this on another thread but some know better than the WHO.  |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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It bothers me that some people say just carry on as only the old die,well being younger you can still be a carrier and infect an older person they might die,so selfish and thoughtless
Was in supermarket this morning and besides loo paper no serial little tea and very few bananas,the same with many goods.
Very selfish and stupid as there is no problem with supply chains.
People really discust me to be honest |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"It bothers me that some people say just carry on as only the old die,well being younger you can still be a carrier and infect an older person they might die,so selfish and thoughtless
Was in supermarket this morning and besides loo paper no serial little tea and very few bananas,the same with many goods.
Very selfish and stupid as there is no problem with supply chains.
People really discust me to be honest"
Yes they can this is why its so important to follow the guidelines when showing symptoms its every bodies responsibility not to kill their older relatives. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This virus is new since china started its lock downs - what 2 months ago.
We do not know how this thing is going to react in a full 3 - 6 months time let alone a year.
Not sure our governments aproach is the correct one ??? Compared to the rest of the world. France - Italy - denmark etc etc.
There is a staged response to the virus, every country is going through the same process, just at different times due to the different level of infection, all is WHO guidelines.
This virus is just the same as flu or colds we will all almost cetainly contract it at some point, just like all other viruses we will then develop immunity just as we do to flu and colds, the problem is they mutate so we can catch the mutation, we have to hope that this virus doesnt, but like colds and flu if the mutation isnt large we only catch mild version, "real" flu is very serious, but most of us only catch that once or twice in our lives when we havent had one of the previous mutations to help keep our immunity level up.
Yep tried explaining this on another thread but some know better than the WHO. "
I didn’t know that Roger Daltry and Pete Townsend were medical experts? Who knew |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51874084
This is a nice explanation of our current response. "
Just had a little look and on this quote I do not agree with at all
"People are very much more likely to catch the virus from a family member or a friend somewhere in a small space rather than a big space [such as a sporting stadium]," he said.
Yeah you are likely to pick it up from a friend or family member if they have it in a confined space. But by not stopping stadium events...the likelihood of catching it off family and friends is far more likely when it is spreading through stadiums.
Thank god the football league and many other sports are doing the right thing in stopping this, whilst it seems the government are encouraging it |
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51874084
This is a nice explanation of our current response.
Just had a little look and on this quote I do not agree with at all
"People are very much more likely to catch the virus from a family member or a friend somewhere in a small space rather than a big space [such as a sporting stadium]," he said.
Yeah you are likely to pick it up from a friend or family member if they have it in a confined space. But by not stopping stadium events...the likelihood of catching it off family and friends is far more likely when it is spreading through stadiums.
Thank god the football league and many other sports are doing the right thing in stopping this, whilst it seems the government are encouraging it "
I agree that mass gatherings should be cancelled. The School situation is understandable in some ways but I think a learning point from this should be that childcare should be considered around NHS and emergency workers should a situation arise again. |
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51874084
This is a nice explanation of our current response.
Just had a little look and on this quote I do not agree with at all
"People are very much more likely to catch the virus from a family member or a friend somewhere in a small space rather than a big space [such as a sporting stadium]," he said.
Yeah you are likely to pick it up from a friend or family member if they have it in a confined space. But by not stopping stadium events...the likelihood of catching it off family and friends is far more likely when it is spreading through stadiums.
Thank god the football league and many other sports are doing the right thing in stopping this, whilst it seems the government are encouraging it
I agree that mass gatherings should be cancelled. The School situation is understandable in some ways but I think a learning point from this should be that childcare should be considered around NHS and emergency workers should a situation arise again. "
Both the CMO and CSA have said that cancelling sport events will have no effect whatsoever in changing what is coming.
We should be adopting the advice and planning that is being provided only by the CMO and CSA.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51874084
This is a nice explanation of our current response.
Just had a little look and on this quote I do not agree with at all
"People are very much more likely to catch the virus from a family member or a friend somewhere in a small space rather than a big space [such as a sporting stadium]," he said.
Yeah you are likely to pick it up from a friend or family member if they have it in a confined space. But by not stopping stadium events...the likelihood of catching it off family and friends is far more likely when it is spreading through stadiums.
Thank god the football league and many other sports are doing the right thing in stopping this, whilst it seems the government are encouraging it
I agree that mass gatherings should be cancelled. The School situation is understandable in some ways but I think a learning point from this should be that childcare should be considered around NHS and emergency workers should a situation arise again. "
I agree with the schools as the kids unfortunately are a hazard whether open or shut, but I feel all mass gatherings should be stopped. If we listen to the science experts in one sentence they say we need to slow it down...then in the next sentence...wtf.
I'm going about my way as I dont believe a word they say |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They have just had crufts and Cheltenham races now we will wait for the explosion in cases
It’s all about money as usual!
They want you to stay at home but will still keep on charging you for gas electricity water mortgages ect but pay you nothing!
The only way you could shut this country down and make everyone stay at home is to make sure they do not lose out.
Will
Never happen |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Courtesy of a Facebook post
7 million verified deaths per year from smoking....no problem.
3 million verified deaths per year from alcohol.....no problem.
250,000 verified deaths per year from medical errors in the United States alone......no problem.
3500 highly suspect deaths of sick people from a new virus (when the people were already in ill health and the virus is very hard to verify using existing testing methods).....SHUT THE ENTIRE WORLD DOWN!
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You are more likely to catch and spread it at home indoors than at an outdoors gathering . Was your hands regularly and follow government advice, you are unlikely to catch it, and if you do , unlikely in the extreme to die. Simples. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Courtesy of a Facebook post
7 million verified deaths per year from smoking....no problem.
3 million verified deaths per year from alcohol.....no problem.
250,000 verified deaths per year from medical errors in the United States alone......no problem.
3500 highly suspect deaths of sick people from a new virus (when the people were already in ill health and the virus is very hard to verify using existing testing methods).....SHUT THE ENTIRE WORLD DOWN!
Whadyathink "
How did you get access to Boris,s Facebook ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Courtesy of a Facebook post
7 million verified deaths per year from smoking....no problem.
3 million verified deaths per year from alcohol.....no problem.
250,000 verified deaths per year from medical errors in the United States alone......no problem.
3500 highly suspect deaths of sick people from a new virus (when the people were already in ill health and the virus is very hard to verify using existing testing methods).....SHUT THE ENTIRE WORLD DOWN!
Whadyathink
How did you get access to Boris,s Facebook ? "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Well it seems the government has done a U turn on mass gatherings...I told you the scientific thoughts were bullshit. They didn't add up in slowing the spread down. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The idea of cancelling mass gatherings, is to free up the emergency services.
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That's the propaganda they are gaining out....I think it is due to public and the rest of the worlds reaction to how they are handling it.
But free up emergancy services....saves a lot of red faces eh.. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The idea of cancelling mass gatherings, is to free up the emergency services.
That's the propaganda they are gaining out....I think it is due to public and the rest of the worlds reaction to how they are handling it.
But free up emergancy services....saves a lot of red faces eh.."
I'm sure the scientific evidence will be presented early next week. But as you say, the public have no appetite for sport right now. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"The idea of cancelling mass gatherings, is to free up the emergency services.
That's the propaganda they are gaining out....I think it is due to public and the rest of the worlds reaction to how they are handling it.
But free up emergancy services....saves a lot of red faces eh.."
they are handling it according to the who guidelines, shut the country down too early and you slow the spread, for now. Then the restrictions get relaxed and it explodes and people wont stick to a new restrictions.
What is so hard for people to understand 80% at least of people HAVE to catch this bug before next winter starts, it cant be stopped only the spread controlled to allow public services to cope by having several smaller peaks rather than one huge one or a dribble that lasts for several years, which would never happen as that would require the sort of restrictions that we will see over the next few weeks carry on for months, the reason we arent doing the same as italy, austria,france etc is they are at a different stage of the outbreak |
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I meant MASH as in they - our gov - will have looked at using miiltary style field hospital tents set up outside - as we do not have the beds for the sick folk in the hospital.
The army's expertness will be used. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The idea of cancelling mass gatherings, is to free up the emergency services.
That's the propaganda they are gaining out....I think it is due to public and the rest of the worlds reaction to how they are handling it.
But free up emergancy services....saves a lot of red faces eh..they are handling it according to the who guidelines, shut the country down too early and you slow the spread, for now. Then the restrictions get relaxed and it explodes and people wont stick to a new restrictions.
What is so hard for people to understand 80% at least of people HAVE to catch this bug before next winter starts, it cant be stopped only the spread controlled to allow public services to cope by having several smaller peaks rather than one huge one or a dribble that lasts for several years, which would never happen as that would require the sort of restrictions that we will see over the next few weeks carry on for months, the reason we arent doing the same as italy, austria,france etc is they are at a different stage of the outbreak"
I do hope you don't catch it, according to WHO your are 6 times more likely to die from it than I am . Good to see the sporting world completely ignoring Boris |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"The idea of cancelling mass gatherings, is to free up the emergency services.
That's the propaganda they are gaining out....I think it is due to public and the rest of the worlds reaction to how they are handling it.
But free up emergancy services....saves a lot of red faces eh..they are handling it according to the who guidelines, shut the country down too early and you slow the spread, for now. Then the restrictions get relaxed and it explodes and people wont stick to a new restrictions.
What is so hard for people to understand 80% at least of people HAVE to catch this bug before next winter starts, it cant be stopped only the spread controlled to allow public services to cope by having several smaller peaks rather than one huge one or a dribble that lasts for several years, which would never happen as that would require the sort of restrictions that we will see over the next few weeks carry on for months, the reason we arent doing the same as italy, austria,france etc is they are at a different stage of the outbreak
I do hope you don't catch it, according to WHO your are 6 times more likely to die from it than I am . Good to see the sporting world completely ignoring Boris "
I have no fear of catching it, I am very fit and do a physical job, I had a heart scan two years ago as part of a medical research programme and the specialist said my heart was better than most 35 year olds who do little exercise. I hope I do catch it soon as I can then visit and socialise with older friends one of whom in particular would be very vulnerable to it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The idea of cancelling mass gatherings, is to free up the emergency services.
That's the propaganda they are gaining out....I think it is due to public and the rest of the worlds reaction to how they are handling it.
But free up emergancy services....saves a lot of red faces eh..they are handling it according to the who guidelines, shut the country down too early and you slow the spread, for now. Then the restrictions get relaxed and it explodes and people wont stick to a new restrictions.
What is so hard for people to understand 80% at least of people HAVE to catch this bug before next winter starts, it cant be stopped only the spread controlled to allow public services to cope by having several smaller peaks rather than one huge one or a dribble that lasts for several years, which would never happen as that would require the sort of restrictions that we will see over the next few weeks carry on for months, the reason we arent doing the same as italy, austria,france etc is they are at a different stage of the outbreak
I do hope you don't catch it, according to WHO your are 6 times more likely to die from it than I am . Good to see the sporting world completely ignoring Boris
I have no fear of catching it, I am very fit and do a physical job, I had a heart scan two years ago as part of a medical research programme and the specialist said my heart was better than most 35 year olds who do little exercise. I hope I do catch it soon as I can then visit and socialise with older friends one of whom in particular would be very vulnerable to it"
Then you be actively trying to catch it? Interesting approach, what will happen if you get the virus, show no symptoms then pass it onto someone else? |
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Then you be actively trying to catch it? Interesting approach, what will happen if you get the virus, show no symptoms then pass it onto someone else?
The govs plan not to monitor who actually has it surely is making this spread happen - that this will make us all more immune - playing with fire is my view.
Monday the gov will bring more updated changes to our instructions ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Currently in self isolation for the next 7 days with "mild symptoms" not for myself but for the greater good. I have accepted the plan and now putting my trust in our government,s plan.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Currently in self isolation for the next 7 days with "mild symptoms" not for myself but for the greater good. I have accepted the plan and now putting my trust in our government,s plan.
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What is the plan? It seems the sporting world have decided to ignore it |
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Yes the sporting world has thought woh -
this will spread to all aspects of our or any business and human interactions.
How can the gov know how it is spreading if we self isolate and not report it and tested ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The idea of cancelling mass gatherings, is to free up the emergency services.
That's the propaganda they are gaining out....I think it is due to public and the rest of the worlds reaction to how they are handling it.
But free up emergancy services....saves a lot of red faces eh..they are handling it according to the who guidelines, shut the country down too early and you slow the spread, for now. Then the restrictions get relaxed and it explodes and people wont stick to a new restrictions.
What is so hard for people to understand 80% at least of people HAVE to catch this bug before next winter starts, it cant be stopped only the spread controlled to allow public services to cope by having several smaller peaks rather than one huge one or a dribble that lasts for several years, which would never happen as that would require the sort of restrictions that we will see over the next few weeks carry on for months, the reason we arent doing the same as italy, austria,france etc is they are at a different stage of the outbreak"
80%, so we need 53 million people to contract the virus in 7 months? 7.5 million a month, approx 250,000 a day, about 10,000 an hours. Good idea  |
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Is it time to look with our eyes WIDE OPEN
In my opinion of course
There have been 798 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK and 10 deaths in the UK as of Friday March 13, 2020
MORTALITY RATE 1.25%
Yes folks 1.25%
That's very similar to seasonal flu
The 3% in Italy was skewed due to demographics
Now put back the toilet roll, eat your pasta, flush the toilet and move on.
Yes there is absolutely no doubt millions will get it and thousands will die
But those thousands would possibly die of normal flu anyway,
Mercenary ? Maybe .
Fact ..yes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is it time to look with our eyes WIDE OPEN
In my opinion of course
There have been 798 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK and 10 deaths in the UK as of Friday March 13, 2020
MORTALITY RATE 1.25%
Yes folks 1.25%
That's very similar to seasonal flu
The 3% in Italy was skewed due to demographics
Now put back the toilet roll, eat your pasta, flush the toilet and move on.
Yes there is absolutely no doubt millions will get it and thousands will die
But those thousands would possibly die of normal flu anyway,
Mercenary ? Maybe .
Fact ..yes"
Let’s hope you don’t catch it then. Let’s say that 50% of the uk catches the virus? That is 33 million people, at the current 1.25 % that is 425000 deaths, 425,000 people in hospital receiving treatment , 425,000 funerals etc etc. I know your trying to be edgy and controversial but your acting like a fool, plus your far more likely to die from the virus than I am |
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So why don't we react this way every year ?
The risk is the same ?
Do w shit down the country forever ?
Is life as we know it finished ?
Please explain b cause I can't get a grasp on why I'm more at risk from coronavirus today than seasonal flu ???? |
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FYI
While everyone is in a panic about the coronavirus (officially renamed COVID-19 by the World Health Organization), there's an even deadlier virus many people are forgetting about: the flu.
Flu season is hitting its stride right now in the US. So far, the CDC has estimated (based on weekly influenza surveillance data) that at least 12,000 people have died from influenza between Oct. 1, 2019 through Feb. 1, 2020, and the number of deaths may be as high as 30,000. |
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By *Flutter-Woman
over a year ago
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Give it four weeks and don’t be surprised if services are beyond stretch.
I’m fit and do an outdoor job. Suddenly on Thursday I went down with flu like symptoms....and I’m never ill!!
I’m looking to self isolate which unfortunately includes my kids as they’ve been in close proximity to me. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Is it time to look with our eyes WIDE OPEN
In my opinion of course
There have been 798 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK and 10 deaths in the UK as of Friday March 13, 2020
MORTALITY RATE 1.25%
Yes folks 1.25%
That's very similar to seasonal flu
The 3% in Italy was skewed due to demographics
Now put back the toilet roll, eat your pasta, flush the toilet and move on.
Yes there is absolutely no doubt millions will get it and thousands will die
But those thousands would possibly die of normal flu anyway,
Mercenary ? Maybe .
Fact ..yes"
As of now you can double that death rate as it's now 21...so maybe 2.5 % Mortality Rate.. .is it getting home to you yet |
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Why this is bad is on the data from china and Korea, from only 2 months of data on this NEW virus, to pass it on - transmission rate - is 10 times greater than flue.
And thus easily passed on to the at risk groups. Hospitals and health care professionals will be under huge strain. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So why don't we react this way every year ?
The risk is the same ?
Do w shit down the country forever ?
Is life as we know it finished ?
Please explain b cause I can't get a grasp on why I'm more at risk from coronavirus today than seasonal flu ????"
The death rate of ‘normal’ flu is 0.1 % and COVID 19 is far more contagious. You do the maths |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"50% of the UK will catch the virus ?. More fake fake news. "
Of course it won’t, because this dithering government will be forced to take the same drastic measures as the rest of Europe to stop it spreading . In fact most sensible organisations have taken it upon themselves to ignore Boris and impose bans on sporting events etc . Have you been reading the news? |
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"Yeah let’s copy what Italy and Spain are doing . I mean they must be a model of what to do when a virus hits. No wait ...."
Get used to it. Your in for a rough ride if you think this isn’t going to directly affect you. Get stocking up on toilet rolls , |
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"There is a reason why Italy Spain Germany and France will be particularly hit whilst Great Britain won’t be as badly hit and NI even less badly affected . Answers on a postcard "
I don’t read postcards. Are you suggesting the virus won’t spread in the UK? Come on Mr, give us a real reason? |
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The death rate of ‘normal’ flu is 0.1 % and COVID 19 is far more contagious. You do the maths "
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong. But hey
Quick question if anyone knows the ACTUAL answer
There was one person tested positive in the famous H10 in Tenerife ?
How many people were "quarantined" in the hotel ?
How many caught the virus ?
I don't care for people's "opinions" but would be genuinely interested to see the numbers ? |
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The death rate of ‘normal’ flu is 0.1 % and COVID 19 is far more contagious. You do the maths
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong. But hey
Quick question if anyone knows the ACTUAL answer
There was one person tested positive in the famous H10 in Tenerife ?
How many people were "quarantined" in the hotel ?
How many caught the virus ?
I don't care for people's "opinions" but would be genuinely interested to see the numbers ?"
You only want the numbers from a hotel in Tenerife? Why ? I am not basing any of this information on my opinion, try reading WHO latest statistics relating the COVID19. |
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The death rate of ‘normal’ flu is 0.1 % and COVID 19 is far more contagious. You do the maths
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong. But hey
Quick question if anyone knows the ACTUAL answer
There was one person tested positive in the famous H10 in Tenerife ?
How many people were "quarantined" in the hotel ?
How many caught the virus ?
I don't care for people's "opinions" but would be genuinely interested to see the numbers ?
You only want the numbers from a hotel in Tenerife? Why ? I am not basing any of this information on my opinion, try reading WHO latest statistics relating the COVID19. "
It's a good basis for the expected number of infections from a known source in a confined environment.
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The death rate of ‘normal’ flu is 0.1 % and COVID 19 is far more contagious. You do the maths
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong. But hey
Quick question if anyone knows the ACTUAL answer
There was one person tested positive in the famous H10 in Tenerife ?
How many people were "quarantined" in the hotel ?
How many caught the virus ?
I don't care for people's "opinions" but would be genuinely interested to see the numbers ?
You only want the numbers from a hotel in Tenerife? Why ? I am not basing any of this information on my opinion, try reading WHO latest statistics relating the COVID19.
It's a good basis for the expected number of infections from a known source in a confined environment.
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Any don't you google it then? I know that there were 700 positive cases out of 3700 on the cruise ship The Diamond Princess |
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The death rate of ‘normal’ flu is 0.1 % and COVID 19 is far more contagious. You do the maths
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong. But hey
Quick question if anyone knows the ACTUAL answer
There was one person tested positive in the famous H10 in Tenerife ?
How many people were "quarantined" in the hotel ?
How many caught the virus ?
I don't care for people's "opinions" but would be genuinely interested to see the numbers ?
You only want the numbers from a hotel in Tenerife? Why ? I am not basing any of this information on my opinion, try reading WHO latest statistics relating the COVID19.
It's a good basis for the expected number of infections from a known source in a confined environment.
Any don't you google it then? I know that there were 700 positive cases out of 3700 on the cruise ship The Diamond Princess "
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"Yeah let’s copy what Italy and Spain are doing . I mean they must be a model of what to do when a virus hits. No wait ...."
The problem is that in these countries they did nothing to slow down the spread of the virus. Just like boris is doing now |
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The death rate of ‘normal’ flu is 0.1 % and COVID 19 is far more contagious. You do the maths
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong. But hey
Quick question if anyone knows the ACTUAL answer
There was one person tested positive in the famous H10 in Tenerife ?
How many people were "quarantined" in the hotel ?
How many caught the virus ?
I don't care for people's "opinions" but would be genuinely interested to see the numbers ?
You only want the numbers from a hotel in Tenerife? Why ? I am not basing any of this information on my opinion, try reading WHO latest statistics relating the COVID19.
It's a good basis for the expected number of infections from a known source in a confined environment.
Any don't you google it then? I know that there were 700 positive cases out of 3700 on the cruise ship The Diamond Princess "
I did Google it, and so did you but it's not the answer you want lol |
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The death rate of ‘normal’ flu is 0.1 % and COVID 19 is far more contagious. You do the maths
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong. But hey
Quick question if anyone knows the ACTUAL answer
There was one person tested positive in the famous H10 in Tenerife ?
How many people were "quarantined" in the hotel ?
How many caught the virus ?
I don't care for people's "opinions" but would be genuinely interested to see the numbers ?
You only want the numbers from a hotel in Tenerife? Why ? I am not basing any of this information on my opinion, try reading WHO latest statistics relating the COVID19.
It's a good basis for the expected number of infections from a known source in a confined environment.
Any don't you google it then? I know that there were 700 positive cases out of 3700 on the cruise ship The Diamond Princess
I did Google it, and so did you but it's not the answer you want lol"
Tbh I didn’t google it, can you let me know the result? I did google The Diamond Princess though, 700 out of 3700, scary dont you think? |
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Tbh I didn’t google it, can you let me know the result? I did google The Diamond Princess though, 700 out of 3700, scary dont you think? "
I'm sure I'll get a genuine reply something one but according to Google it was 1 infected other than the Italians who may have had it on arrival
Also
Enter the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Quarantined at sea off Japan after a passenger tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the ship became a natural data lab where nearly everyone was tested and few cases of infection were missed.
Infections and deaths onboard suggest that the disease’s true fatality ratio in China is about 0.5 percent, though that number may vary from place to place, researchers report March 9 in a paper posted at MedRxiv.org.
That 0.5 percent is far less than the 3.4 percent of confirmed cases that end in death cited by the World Health Organization, but troubling nonetheless. The WHO’s number has come under fire because the true number of people infected with the virus worldwide is not known. |
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Tbh I didn’t google it, can you let me know the result? I did google The Diamond Princess though, 700 out of 3700, scary dont you think?
I'm sure I'll get a genuine reply something one but according to Google it was 1 infected other than the Italians who may have had it on arrival
Also
Enter the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Quarantined at sea off Japan after a passenger tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the ship became a natural data lab where nearly everyone was tested and few cases of infection were missed.
Infections and deaths onboard suggest that the disease’s true fatality ratio in China is about 0.5 percent, though that number may vary from place to place, researchers report March 9 in a paper posted at MedRxiv.org.
That 0.5 percent is far less than the 3.4 percent of confirmed cases that end in death cited by the World Health Organization, but troubling nonetheless. The WHO’s number has come under fire because the true number of people infected with the virus worldwide is not known. "
I see, so just to clarify you don’t think COVID19 is more contagious than flu? You also don’t think it is more deadly than flu? So we should just carry on as normal and treat it like a normal flu epidemic? I am struggling to see your point? Is WHO making up these figures? |
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Tbh I didn’t google it, can you let me know the result? I did google The Diamond Princess though, 700 out of 3700, scary dont you think?
I'm sure I'll get a genuine reply something one but according to Google it was 1 infected other than the Italians who may have had it on arrival
Also
Enter the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Quarantined at sea off Japan after a passenger tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the ship became a natural data lab where nearly everyone was tested and few cases of infection were missed.
Infections and deaths onboard suggest that the disease’s true fatality ratio in China is about 0.5 percent, though that number may vary from place to place, researchers report March 9 in a paper posted at MedRxiv.org.
That 0.5 percent is far less than the 3.4 percent of confirmed cases that end in death cited by the World Health Organization, but troubling nonetheless. The WHO’s number has come under fire because the true number of people infected with the virus worldwide is not known.
I see, so just to clarify you don’t think COVID19 is more contagious than flu? You also don’t think it is more deadly than flu? So we should just carry on as normal and treat it like a normal flu epidemic? I am struggling to see your point? Is WHO making up these figures? "
I don't know, but I'm not panicking and I'm not putting my life on hold until I'm sure.
I don't want to catch ANY virus but I have before and probably will again so I wash my hands regularly and take care of myself and I'm Keen to look at what's actually happening and draw my own conclusions. I've worked in highly contagious environments for 30 years and am well aware of health risks.
I see the results of a study that seems to indicate lower death rates than previously thought but that has upset you
I think the retransmission rate im the H10 would be interesting, not least because people were aware of the virus and took precautions and were still kept where the virus had been and monitored but that also seems to upset you for some reason |
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Tbh I didn’t google it, can you let me know the result? I did google The Diamond Princess though, 700 out of 3700, scary dont you think?
I'm sure I'll get a genuine reply something one but according to Google it was 1 infected other than the Italians who may have had it on arrival
Also
Enter the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Quarantined at sea off Japan after a passenger tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the ship became a natural data lab where nearly everyone was tested and few cases of infection were missed.
Infections and deaths onboard suggest that the disease’s true fatality ratio in China is about 0.5 percent, though that number may vary from place to place, researchers report March 9 in a paper posted at MedRxiv.org.
That 0.5 percent is far less than the 3.4 percent of confirmed cases that end in death cited by the World Health Organization, but troubling nonetheless. The WHO’s number has come under fire because the true number of people infected with the virus worldwide is not known.
I see, so just to clarify you don’t think COVID19 is more contagious than flu? You also don’t think it is more deadly than flu? So we should just carry on as normal and treat it like a normal flu epidemic? I am struggling to see your point? Is WHO making up these figures?
I don't know, but I'm not panicking and I'm not putting my life on hold until I'm sure.
I don't want to catch ANY virus but I have before and probably will again so I wash my hands regularly and take care of myself and I'm Keen to look at what's actually happening and draw my own conclusions. I've worked in highly contagious environments for 30 years and am well aware of health risks.
I see the results of a study that seems to indicate lower death rates than previously thought but that has upset you
I think the retransmission rate im the H10 would be interesting, not least because people were aware of the virus and took precautions and were still kept where the virus had been and monitored but that also seems to upset you for some reason"
I am not upset, I was slightly baffled by your ‘thousands will die but they would probably have died of flu anyway ‘ statement , but like you said, maybe your a mercenary who just doesn’t care about people dying from this?? |
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I don't know, but I'm not panicking and I'm not putting my life on hold until I'm sure.
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This bit is where it will all fall apart.
Wait until you are sure then it will be too late. People need to take action now and try too limit the amount of physical contact we have...its the only way to slow this down,so that it doesn't overwhelm the hospitals like has happened in Italy.
And yes I know this is a swinging site and a big ask on here....but I think now is the time for people to take responsibility of their actions. |
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I don't know, but I'm not panicking and I'm not putting my life on hold until I'm sure.
This bit is where it will all fall apart.
Wait until you are sure then it will be too late. People need to take action now and try too limit the amount of physical contact we have...its the only way to slow this down,so that it doesn't overwhelm the hospitals like has happened in Italy.
And yes I know this is a swinging site and a big ask on here....but I think now is the time for people to take responsibility of their actions."
Well said.
Social distancing is the only way to slow down the inevitable spread. An American study has shown that we might be most infectious when we are completely asymptomatic.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-most-contagious-before-during-first-week-symptoms
You might not be at risk but who knows how many vulnerable people could be infected as you go about your daily business. The truth is, when the ICU is short on beds they'll treat you before they treat someone with chronic preexisting conditions that you might have infected. It'll be repeated up and down the country except that person with preexisting conditions that will be denied treatment due to their poorer prognosis will be someones parent, grandparent, partner, child.
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"The idea of cancelling mass gatherings, is to free up the emergency services.
That's the propaganda they are gaining out....I think it is due to public and the rest of the worlds reaction to how they are handling it.
But free up emergancy services....saves a lot of red faces eh..they are handling it according to the who guidelines, shut the country down too early and you slow the spread, for now. Then the restrictions get relaxed and it explodes and people wont stick to a new restrictions.
What is so hard for people to understand 80% at least of people HAVE to catch this bug before next winter starts, it cant be stopped only the spread controlled to allow public services to cope by having several smaller peaks rather than one huge one or a dribble that lasts for several years, which would never happen as that would require the sort of restrictions that we will see over the next few weeks carry on for months, the reason we arent doing the same as italy, austria,france etc is they are at a different stage of the outbreak
I do hope you don't catch it, according to WHO your are 6 times more likely to die from it than I am . Good to see the sporting world completely ignoring Boris
I have no fear of catching it, I am very fit and do a physical job, I had a heart scan two years ago as part of a medical research programme and the specialist said my heart was better than most 35 year olds who do little exercise. I hope I do catch it soon as I can then visit and socialise with older friends one of whom in particular would be very vulnerable to it
Then you be actively trying to catch it? Interesting approach, what will happen if you get the virus, show no symptoms then pass it onto someone else? "
I expect to get a few symptoms such as raised temp and a bit of a cough, we are in France at the moment but expect to have to leave pretty soon, in my business I'm not likely to catch or spread it, and I will be keeping away from friends that I think could have problems if they catch it, however by late summer early autumn most people(around 80%) are likely to have caught it, unless they have no contact with anyone and that is going to be very hard to do. |
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My worry is how many deaths will be from stress or suicide from the fall out of the shut down.
I move around lots of the SE and the midlands, SW every week and everyone is more scared of the financial implications then then the health ones.
Not dismissing the awful situation that may play out for a lot of vulnerable people but it can also be life and death if it’s not handled properly and people are put into non recoverable financial positions
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"My worry is how many deaths will be from stress or suicide from the fall out of the shut down.
I move around lots of the SE and the midlands, SW every week and everyone is more scared of the financial implications then then the health ones.
Not dismissing the awful situation that may play out for a lot of vulnerable people but it can also be life and death if it’s not handled properly and people are put into non recoverable financial positions
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"My worry is how many deaths will be from stress or suicide from the fall out of the shut down.
I move around lots of the SE and the midlands, SW every week and everyone is more scared of the financial implications then then the health ones.
Not dismissing the awful situation that may play out for a lot of vulnerable people but it can also be life and death if it’s not handled properly and people are put into non recoverable financial positions
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I genuinely think this is now going to happen point x has passed
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Greeting from Ireland,
We are running a few days ahead of UK and about 14 days behind Italy at the moment.
We have had so many people being flippant about this virus thinking its nothing and when they closed the schools they just sent the kids out to play with groups of other kids and normal life carried on for most but that is changing. We can see from Italy what is coming at us now.
This facebook post from one of our sports guys is actually the most down to earth - Hopefully the link works - let me know if it doesnt and ill try something else. This needs to be taken alot more seriously than alot of people are thinking but Ireland is now starting to tighten up. We will probably be on full lockdown next week anyway. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2628633673930845&id=100003527145747 |
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"Greeting from Ireland,
We are running a few days ahead of UK and about 14 days behind Italy at the moment.
We have had so many people being flippant about this virus thinking its nothing and when they closed the schools they just sent the kids out to play with groups of other kids and normal life carried on for most but that is changing. We can see from Italy what is coming at us now.
This facebook post from one of our sports guys is actually the most down to earth - Hopefully the link works - let me know if it doesnt and ill try something else. This needs to be taken alot more seriously than alot of people are thinking but Ireland is now starting to tighten up. We will probably be on full lockdown next week anyway. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2628633673930845&id=100003527145747"
Yeah the link works ok mate...I had a read and I totally agree with it, I know not everyone can shutdown with work ect.. but that is what good goverments should be helping with.
I hope we step towards a lockdown soon as possible as now is the time to act to slow it down for the ICU beds, that will be nowhere near the needs in 2 weeks time. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"so basically both france and spain are closing down.... italy has closed down....
lets see who's next...."
Most European countries are stopping non-essential services (bars, cafes, restaurants etc) and travel bans will be in force next week.
There's going to be a lot of heartache in the next few weeks and for a lot of people. The tourism industry, and that includes airlines, is going to be decimated. |
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"so basically both france and spain are closing down.... italy has closed down....
lets see who's next....
Most European countries are stopping non-essential services (bars, cafes, restaurants etc) and travel bans will be in force next week.
There's going to be a lot of heartache in the next few weeks and for a lot of people. The tourism industry, and that includes airlines, is going to be decimated. "
I'll suggest again something does not add up |
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/how-many-will-die-of-coronavirus-in-the-uk-a-closer-look-at-the-numbers
UK projection figures in that one.
Its easy maths that anyone can look up the infection rates, death rates, growth rates and do a prediction forecast.
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"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/how-many-will-die-of-coronavirus-in-the-uk-a-closer-look-at-the-numbers
UK projection figures in that one.
Its easy maths that anyone can look up the infection rates, death rates, growth rates and do a prediction forecast.
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that "
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion |
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion "
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I'm concerned how severe the symptoms are, pneumonia like symptoms sound bad  "
having had pneumonia i can tell you if it gets to the stage you have to be hospitalised its not pleasent
its a case of listening to your body... and being british enough to think keep calm and carry on, if you start to notice something isnt right then stop |
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"I'm concerned how severe the symptoms are, pneumonia like symptoms sound bad
having had pneumonia i can tell you if it gets to the stage you have to be hospitalised its not pleasent
its a case of listening to your body... and being british enough to think keep calm and carry on, if you start to notice something isnt right then stop"
Can I add to that and say watch what you are coughing up...normally starts with greenish coloured with a chest infection then in my case it will turn to seeing blood in the phlegm. At that time getting help is essential as you probably have pneumonia at that point and it can easily give you sepsis. That is my past experience of having it twice...thought no doubt it is not the only signs.. |
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity. "
Really |
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity. "
Again I apologise, what was I thinking by putting the only known scientific data from controlled studies like a cruise ship and a closed hotel against the speculation of the unknown
Obviously some people don't like debate or can't debate so run with mass hysteria because in the end we will probably all get this virus anyway, delay, confusion or lock ourselves away for a month .. two months... It will be waiting no amount of panicking will prevent that
Proper study can help slow it down without killing thousands through suicide and starvation tho
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity.
Again I apologise, what was I thinking by putting the only known scientific data from controlled studies like a cruise ship and a closed hotel against the speculation of the unknown
Obviously some people don't like debate or can't debate so run with mass hysteria because in the end we will probably all get this virus anyway, delay, confusion or lock ourselves away for a month .. two months... It will be waiting no amount of panicking will prevent that
Proper study can help slow it down without killing thousands through suicide and starvation tho
Have fun "
Why have 200 scientists written to the Government asking for tougher measures in dealing with the virus? And just to clarify, 700 out of 3700 caught the virus on the cruise ship, is that not high enough for you? |
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity.
Again I apologise, what was I thinking by putting the only known scientific data from controlled studies like a cruise ship and a closed hotel against the speculation of the unknown
Obviously some people don't like debate or can't debate so run with mass hysteria because in the end we will probably all get this virus anyway, delay, confusion or lock ourselves away for a month .. two months... It will be waiting no amount of panicking will prevent that
Proper study can help slow it down without killing thousands through suicide and starvation tho
Have fun
Why have 200 scientists written to the Government asking for tougher measures in dealing with the virus? And just to clarify, 700 out of 3700 caught the virus on the cruise ship, is that not high enough for you? "
Again you leave out the important FACTS
Look, I've nothing against you my friend but you're reading too much and maybe not thinking enough.
You spoke of realism. To me, realism must look beyond the virus at the consequences of the actions we take to try to avoid the inevitable. Manage don't panic.
what percentage of the population can afford to self isolate for 1,2 or 3 months and buy food, essentials pay rent ?
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"I'm concerned how severe the symptoms are, pneumonia like symptoms sound bad "
Pneumonia can be dreadful, like many I've had it. This virus seems to get viral pneumonia developing very nastily, the micro tubules grossly attacked, reducing the body's ability to gain sufficient Oxygen levels. Even if many survive this, it's going to take lots of care, from an NHS that's had 10 years of funding devastation and has reduced staff levels.
With few people infected being tested and thus counted, we're potentially sleep walking into horror.
This delay phase is hardly that and trying for herd immunity, via letting millions get infected, is possibly as bad as a war crime. There isn't evidence that this can be achieved and the UK will be behind the EU for vaccine availability, should one get licensed, now that the UK is pulled out of the EU scheme.
Enforcing pneumonia on to the public, as part of trying to get an unproven herd immunity from this new virus, when safer and humane options are available, is so obviously wrong. |
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Very sorry I nearly forgot
Two people reportedly died on the cruise ship. Both in their 80s with health issues.
If I got that wrong I apologise profusely, and I deeply sympathise with the families of those two unfortunate people.
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity.
Again I apologise, what was I thinking by putting the only known scientific data from controlled studies like a cruise ship and a closed hotel against the speculation of the unknown
Obviously some people don't like debate or can't debate so run with mass hysteria because in the end we will probably all get this virus anyway, delay, confusion or lock ourselves away for a month .. two months... It will be waiting no amount of panicking will prevent that
Proper study can help slow it down without killing thousands through suicide and starvation tho
Have fun
Why have 200 scientists written to the Government asking for tougher measures in dealing with the virus? And just to clarify, 700 out of 3700 caught the virus on the cruise ship, is that not high enough for you?
Again you leave out the important FACTS
Look, I've nothing against you my friend but you're reading too much and maybe not thinking enough.
You spoke of realism. To me, realism must look beyond the virus at the consequences of the actions we take to try to avoid the inevitable. Manage don't panic.
what percentage of the population can afford to self isolate for 1,2 or 3 months and buy food, essentials pay rent ?
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With government help, all those who need to will be able to. The short term cost will be far lower than the long term expense if 50-60 % of the country catch the virus. If Italy and Spain can do it can you explain why the UK cant? |
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"Very sorry I nearly forgot
Two people reportedly died on the cruise ship. Both in their 80s with health issues.
If I got that wrong I apologise profusely, and I deeply sympathise with the families of those two unfortunate people.
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6 people who were on that ship have died |
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At least it gives the Government's of the world, a chance to do a social experiment on how to get it's citizens kept under what I see as being as close to marshal law as it gets. And for our on protection.
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity.
Again I apologise, what was I thinking by putting the only known scientific data from controlled studies like a cruise ship and a closed hotel against the speculation of the unknown
Obviously some people don't like debate or can't debate so run with mass hysteria because in the end we will probably all get this virus anyway, delay, confusion or lock ourselves away for a month .. two months... It will be waiting no amount of panicking will prevent that
Proper study can help slow it down without killing thousands through suicide and starvation tho
Have fun
Why have 200 scientists written to the Government asking for tougher measures in dealing with the virus? And just to clarify, 700 out of 3700 caught the virus on the cruise ship, is that not high enough for you?
Again you leave out the important FACTS
Look, I've nothing against you my friend but you're reading too much and maybe not thinking enough.
You spoke of realism. To me, realism must look beyond the virus at the consequences of the actions we take to try to avoid the inevitable. Manage don't panic.
what percentage of the population can afford to self isolate for 1,2 or 3 months and buy food, essentials pay rent ?
With government help, all those who need to will be able to. The short term cost will be far lower than the long term expense if 50-60 % of the country catch the virus. If Italy and Spain can do it can you explain why the UK cant? "
Ask Boris ?
I'm not saying what's right or wrong, just debate and asking questions
Just to reiterate for those that didn't read
A few posts above I gave examples of the cruise ship and hotel
The studies led experts (not me) to believe that there are many many more people who are/were infected in China and Italy than first thought
These facts seem to indicate a much lower death rate by percentage than the 3% or whatever
The hotel indicates that when the danger is known that basic precautions SEEM to have lowered the reinfection rate because there were very few.
We know very little about this virus but the big problem is fear
I'm not an economist but given the austerity suffered and still being suffered due to the events of a few weeks in 2007 what will be the outcome and consequences for the less well off after a complete shutdown of months
Don't bother to answer that if Spain and Italy can do it then so can we because we all know Spain and Italy have previous of saying fuck it and getting bailed out
Like I said, I'm looking for information and answers not advising or panicking or attacking people who ask |
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"Very sorry I nearly forgot
Two people reportedly died on the cruise ship. Both in their 80s with health issues.
If I got that wrong I apologise profusely, and I deeply sympathise with the families of those two unfortunate people.
6 people who were on that ship have died "
Then I apologise profusely, just goes to show Google isn't always as accurate as most people think
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There is the study, I don't have a clue if it's right or wrong but it's a scientific report
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-death-rate/amp |
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"Apologies, the last THREE 0
paragraphs ...
Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity.
Again I apologise, what was I thinking by putting the only known scientific data from controlled studies like a cruise ship and a closed hotel against the speculation of the unknown
Obviously some people don't like debate or can't debate so run with mass hysteria because in the end we will probably all get this virus anyway, delay, confusion or lock ourselves away for a month .. two months... It will be waiting no amount of panicking will prevent that
Proper study can help slow it down without killing thousands through suicide and starvation tho
Have fun
Why have 200 scientists written to the Government asking for tougher measures in dealing with the virus? And just to clarify, 700 out of 3700 caught the virus on the cruise ship, is that not high enough for you?
Again you leave out the important FACTS
Look, I've nothing against you my friend but you're reading too much and maybe not thinking enough.
You spoke of realism. To me, realism must look beyond the virus at the consequences of the actions we take to try to avoid the inevitable. Manage don't panic.
what percentage of the population can afford to self isolate for 1,2 or 3 months and buy food, essentials pay rent ?
With government help, all those who need to will be able to. The short term cost will be far lower than the long term expense if 50-60 % of the country catch the virus. If Italy and Spain can do it can you explain why the UK cant?
Ask Boris ?
I'm not saying what's right or wrong, just debate and asking questions
Just to reiterate for those that didn't read
A few posts above I gave examples of the cruise ship and hotel
The studies led experts (not me) to believe that there are many many more people who are/were infected in China and Italy than first thought
These facts seem to indicate a much lower death rate by percentage than the 3% or whatever
The hotel indicates that when the danger is known that basic precautions SEEM to have lowered the reinfection rate because there were very few.
We know very little about this virus but the big problem is fear
I'm not an economist but given the austerity suffered and still being suffered due to the events of a few weeks in 2007 what will be the outcome and consequences for the less well off after a complete shutdown of months
Don't bother to answer that if Spain and Italy can do it then so can we because we all know Spain and Italy have previous of saying fuck it and getting bailed out
Like I said, I'm looking for information and answers not advising or panicking or attacking people who ask"
Interesting, so Italy and Spain are saying ‘fuck it’ and are relying on the EU to bail them out? The UK are saying ‘fuck you ‘ to their people and refusing to help them financially in the short term and are basically hoping most of us catch the virus and if a few hundred thousands die it doesn’t matter ? As long as the economy is ok then these people are irrelevant ‘take it on the chin’ as Boris has stated? |
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Ask Boris ?
Attack me if it makes you feel secure though.
I'd guess that the EU probably wouldn't bale out the UK ?
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Health officials point out that anti-inflammatory drugs are known to be a risk for those with infectious illnesses because they tend to diminish the response of the body’s immune system. The health ministry added that patients should choose paracetamol because “it will reduce the fever without counter-attacking the inflammation”. Kim Willsher
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"Ask Boris ?
Attack me if it makes you feel secure though.
I'd guess that the EU probably wouldn't bale out the UK ?
And for information
Health officials point out that anti-inflammatory drugs are known to be a risk for those with infectious illnesses because they tend to diminish the response of the body’s immune system. The health ministry added that patients should choose paracetamol because “it will reduce the fever without counter-attacking the inflammation”. Kim Willsher
"
I am not attacking anyone, all this is irrelevant anyway because you have already stated you are a mercenary and you will never agree with my point of view. I will leave you with this, I hope you and your friends and family don’t catch the virus , stay safe |
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"Ask Boris ?
Attack me if it makes you feel secure though.
I'd guess that the EU probably wouldn't bale out the UK ?
And for information
Health officials point out that anti-inflammatory drugs are known to be a risk for those with infectious illnesses because they tend to diminish the response of the body’s immune system. The health ministry added that patients should choose paracetamol because “it will reduce the fever without counter-attacking the inflammation”. Kim Willsher
I am not attacking anyone, all this is irrelevant anyway because you have already stated you are a mercenary and you will never agree with my point of view. I will leave you with this, I hope you and your friends and family don’t catch the virus , stay safe "
I'm not mercenary, in fact I regularly carry out voluntary work for the elderly so that's another stupidly worded attack.
I don't have any opinions to conflict with your strongly held ones. I am questioning not stating, you may have missed to abundance of question marks
Likewise stay well. I hope we get through this panic and control the spread of this virus and stay safe. Hopefully our bodies will adapt and vaccines will be available next year.
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"Apologies, the last THREE 0
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity.
Again I apologise, what was I thinking by putting the only known scientific data from controlled studies like a cruise ship and a closed hotel against the speculation of the unknown
Obviously some people don't like debate or can't debate so run with mass hysteria because in the end we will probably all get this virus anyway, delay, confusion or lock ourselves away for a month .. two months... It will be waiting no amount of panicking will prevent that
Proper study can help slow it down without killing thousands through suicide and starvation tho
Have fun
Why have 200 scientists written to the Government asking for tougher measures in dealing with the virus? And just to clarify, 700 out of 3700 caught the virus on the cruise ship, is that not high enough for you? "
I dont know the evidence we know does not match their recommendations?
I dont know
Something does not add up |
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"Apologies, the last THREE 0
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity.
Again I apologise, what was I thinking by putting the only known scientific data from controlled studies like a cruise ship and a closed hotel against the speculation of the unknown
Obviously some people don't like debate or can't debate so run with mass hysteria because in the end we will probably all get this virus anyway, delay, confusion or lock ourselves away for a month .. two months... It will be waiting no amount of panicking will prevent that
Proper study can help slow it down without killing thousands through suicide and starvation tho
Have fun
Why have 200 scientists written to the Government asking for tougher measures in dealing with the virus? And just to clarify, 700 out of 3700 caught the virus on the cruise ship, is that not high enough for you?
I dont know the evidence we know does not match their recommendations?
I dont know
Something does not add up "
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"Apologies, the last THREE 0
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity.
Again I apologise, what was I thinking by putting the only known scientific data from controlled studies like a cruise ship and a closed hotel against the speculation of the unknown
Obviously some people don't like debate or can't debate so run with mass hysteria because in the end we will probably all get this virus anyway, delay, confusion or lock ourselves away for a month .. two months... It will be waiting no amount of panicking will prevent that
Proper study can help slow it down without killing thousands through suicide and starvation tho
Have fun
Why have 200 scientists written to the Government asking for tougher measures in dealing with the virus? And just to clarify, 700 out of 3700 caught the virus on the cruise ship, is that not high enough for you?
I dont know the evidence we know does not match their recommendations?
I dont know
Something does not add up "
No less than a 6th of relatively vulnerable people in a confined non sterile environment? And how many deaths
I still think
The measures suggested are either woefully inadequate or vastly overreacting
And I have zero idea which one or what is happening
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Attack me if it makes you feel secure though.
I'd guess that the EU probably wouldn't bale out the UK ?
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Health officials point out that anti-inflammatory drugs are known to be a risk for those with infectious illnesses because they tend to diminish the response of the body’s immune system. The health ministry added that patients should choose paracetamol because “it will reduce the fever without counter-attacking the inflammation”. Kim Willsher
I am not attacking anyone, all this is irrelevant anyway because you have already stated you are a mercenary and you will never agree with my point of view. I will leave you with this, I hope you and your friends and family don’t catch the virus , stay safe
I'm not mercenary, in fact I regularly carry out voluntary work for the elderly so that's another stupidly worded attack.
I don't have any opinions to conflict with your strongly held ones. I am questioning not stating, you may have missed to abundance of question marks
Likewise stay well. I hope we get through this panic and control the spread of this virus and stay safe. Hopefully our bodies will adapt and vaccines will be available next year.
"
This seems to be my position too
This is what I know
??????????????????????????????????????
I read the letter desperately concerned about our elderly
I'm desperately concerned every year from a great deal of potential risks they face from cold to poor hygiene to poverty bad diet and of course a number of flu viruses and infections
Humanity is aware for every couple of births there will be deaths from a vast number of causes
I'll reiterate I have no idea what's happening but the rhetoric is mismatched
Oh and on the list was Peter tatchell and Chris packham
It was not all scientists
Again I have zero idea what they know or their motives
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Attack me if it makes you feel secure though.
I'd guess that the EU probably wouldn't bale out the UK ?
And for information
Health officials point out that anti-inflammatory drugs are known to be a risk for those with infectious illnesses because they tend to diminish the response of the body’s immune system. The health ministry added that patients should choose paracetamol because “it will reduce the fever without counter-attacking the inflammation”. Kim Willsher
I am not attacking anyone, all this is irrelevant anyway because you have already stated you are a mercenary and you will never agree with my point of view. I will leave you with this, I hope you and your friends and family don’t catch the virus , stay safe
I'm not mercenary, in fact I regularly carry out voluntary work for the elderly so that's another stupidly worded attack.
I don't have any opinions to conflict with your strongly held ones. I am questioning not stating, you may have missed to abundance of question marks
Likewise stay well. I hope we get through this panic and control the spread of this virus and stay safe. Hopefully our bodies will adapt and vaccines will be available next year.
This seems to be my position too
This is what I know
??????????????????????????????????????
I read the letter desperately concerned about our elderly
I'm desperately concerned every year from a great deal of potential risks they face from cold to poor hygiene to poverty bad diet and of course a number of flu viruses and infections
Humanity is aware for every couple of births there will be deaths from a vast number of causes
I'll reiterate I have no idea what's happening but the rhetoric is mismatched
Oh and on the list was Peter tatchell and Chris packham
It was not all scientists
Again I have zero idea what they know or their motives
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I will note social media has illustrated a lack of airborne pollution. Well done Greta? (I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories that's a joke) |
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Ok for all those who think we should go into total lockdown(even if that was possible)why do you think that every winter some people catch a cold/flu or the vomiting bugs that are every bit as contagious as this virus yet most dont even if they are living together and share beds and bodily fluids ? |
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"Ok for all those who think we should go into total lockdown(even if that was possible)why do you think that every winter some people catch a cold/flu or the vomiting bugs that are every bit as contagious as this virus yet most dont even if they are living together and share beds and bodily fluids ?"
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"Ok for all those who think we should go into total lockdown(even if that was possible)why do you think that every winter some people catch a cold/flu or the vomiting bugs that are every bit as contagious as this virus yet most dont even if they are living together and share beds and bodily fluids ?
Do you still think that 80% of the population need to catch the virus before winter? "
Yes there is simply no other way to control it unless we get a vacine and thats unlikely by then, I notice you didnt answer the question |
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"Ok for all those who think we should go into total lockdown(even if that was possible)why do you think that every winter some people catch a cold/flu or the vomiting bugs that are every bit as contagious as this virus yet most dont even if they are living together and share beds and bodily fluids ?
Do you still think that 80% of the population need to catch the virus before winter?
Yes there is simply no other way to control it unless we get a vacine and thats unlikely by then, I notice you didnt answer the question"
Do 80% of the population catch these winter cold/flu vomiting bugs ?
So,10,000 people need to catch the virus every hour for 7 months, great idea . Or shall we help it spread faster? |
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"Ok for all those who think we should go into total lockdown(even if that was possible)why do you think that every winter some people catch a cold/flu or the vomiting bugs that are every bit as contagious as this virus yet most dont even if they are living together and share beds and bodily fluids ?
Do you still think that 80% of the population need to catch the virus before winter?
Yes there is simply no other way to control it unless we get a vacine and thats unlikely by then, I notice you didnt answer the question
Do 80% of the population catch these winter cold/flu vomiting bugs ?
So,10,000 people need to catch the virus every hour for 7 months, great idea . Or shall we help it spread faster? "
Exactly they dont catch it because of herd immunity ie they have had it before or a very similar bug from which the current one had mutated from, it's why old and vulnerable people get vaccinated against the best guess each year so they font get I'll as their immune systems arent as good as healthy young people, as for enough getting it if it builds to a million people and they infect 2 people each day which is nothing it would take less than a week to spread to everyone in the country, of course in reality it would take longer as the more infected the less new contacts there are, this is the whole WHO way of dealing with it, let it spread up to a certain level then clamp down on movement to slow it for a while to allow health services to deal with it as best they can, then those who have recovered wont spread it and those recovering will until they are fully recovered the new cases will then spread it but slower as there are already plenty of immune people about, every country in the world is taking this approach but at different times according to where they are in the timeline we are around 13 days behind Italy so expect shutdown in 5 or 6 days, it might be longer due to lots here going into hiding.
It works look at China cases have plummeted and Italy cases are falling rapidly, they may well rise again and possibly a second clamp down will be needed but it is the only way that can work and we need to do allow it some are going to die that is awful if it's your mum or dad but it's a few for the greater good |
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7 million verified deaths per year from smoking....no problem.
3 million verified deaths per year from alcohol.....no problem.
250,000 verified deaths per year from medical errors in the United States alone......no problem.
3500 highly suspect deaths of sick people from a new virus (when the people were already in ill health and the virus is very hard to verify using existing testing methods).....SHUT THE ENTIRE WORLD DOWN!
Whadyathink "
Well, quite. Covid 19 is an excellent example of a total loss of proportion. The Chinese are already recovering from their earlier fuck up and preparing for it to be something to be coped with (like the flu is now) in the future. Rightly so.
I wrote this, below, on the original of this thread. Nothing's changed my assessment of the situation.
The Government in this country can't really do shit. They'll tell you they can - but they can't.
Why? There's too many of us and not enough police/forces personnel to make sure we're doing as we've been told.
Factor in the usual level of selfishness and stupidity inherent in the general public - and the scale of the problem - in a democracy where people are used to doing exactly as they like, travelling wherever they want ... this can't be contained.
It'll run its course, plenty of us will get infected and some will die. That's unfortunate but it's not uncommon. It never has been.
Covid 19 will just become another thing humanity has to get used to. The common cold and usual influenza haven't been eradicated; nor will this virus.
Eventually, when the economy has been fucked over enough - which is good for the planet - people will start to live with it, accept it and go back to work. They'll have to; those bills aren't going to pay themselves.
In a capitalist system like ours - which does provide all manner of comforts, conveniences and luxuries - human life is worth less than money; which is why it will always be risked in the pursuit of wealth.
Most people scared shitless of the virus just now will, given time, resume their normal pattern of behaviour. They'll risk it - because being trapped in your own home, washing your hands, running out of money and praying ASDA can deliver your shopping, is no life at all. |
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7 million verified deaths per year from smoking....no problem.
3 million verified deaths per year from alcohol.....no problem.
250,000 verified deaths per year from medical errors in the United States alone......no problem.
3500 highly suspect deaths of sick people from a new virus (when the people were already in ill health and the virus is very hard to verify using existing testing methods).....SHUT THE ENTIRE WORLD DOWN!
Whadyathink
Well, quite. Covid 19 is an excellent example of a total loss of proportion. The Chinese are already recovering from their earlier fuck up and preparing for it to be something to be coped with (like the flu is now) in the future. Rightly so.
I wrote this, below, on the original of this thread. Nothing's changed my assessment of the situation.
The Government in this country can't really do shit. They'll tell you they can - but they can't.
Why? There's too many of us and not enough police/forces personnel to make sure we're doing as we've been told.
Factor in the usual level of selfishness and stupidity inherent in the general public - and the scale of the problem - in a democracy where people are used to doing exactly as they like, travelling wherever they want ... this can't be contained.
It'll run its course, plenty of us will get infected and some will die. That's unfortunate but it's not uncommon. It never has been.
Covid 19 will just become another thing humanity has to get used to. The common cold and usual influenza haven't been eradicated; nor will this virus.
Eventually, when the economy has been fucked over enough - which is good for the planet - people will start to live with it, accept it and go back to work. They'll have to; those bills aren't going to pay themselves.
In a capitalist system like ours - which does provide all manner of comforts, conveniences and luxuries - human life is worth less than money; which is why it will always be risked in the pursuit of wealth.
Most people scared shitless of the virus just now will, given time, resume their normal pattern of behaviour. They'll risk it - because being trapped in your own home, washing your hands, running out of money and praying ASDA can deliver your shopping, is no life at all."
I think that's kinda what I'm thinking
I think
What I know is I dont think I have enough data for robust conclusions
I'm not convinced anybody does ?
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"Ok for all those who think we should go into total lockdown(even if that was possible)why do you think that every winter some people catch a cold/flu or the vomiting bugs that are every bit as contagious as this virus yet most dont even if they are living together and share beds and bodily fluids ?
Do you still think that 80% of the population need to catch the virus before winter?
Yes there is simply no other way to control it unless we get a vacine and thats unlikely by then, I notice you didnt answer the question
Do 80% of the population catch these winter cold/flu vomiting bugs ?
So,10,000 people need to catch the virus every hour for 7 months, great idea . Or shall we help it spread faster?
Exactly they dont catch it because of herd immunity ie they have had it before or a very similar bug from which the current one had mutated from, it's why old and vulnerable people get vaccinated against the best guess each year so they font get I'll as their immune systems arent as good as healthy young people, as for enough getting it if it builds to a million people and they infect 2 people each day which is nothing it would take less than a week to spread to everyone in the country, of course in reality it would take longer as the more infected the less new contacts there are, this is the whole WHO way of dealing with it, let it spread up to a certain level then clamp down on movement to slow it for a while to allow health services to deal with it as best they can, then those who have recovered wont spread it and those recovering will until they are fully recovered the new cases will then spread it but slower as there are already plenty of immune people about, every country in the world is taking this approach but at different times according to where they are in the timeline we are around 13 days behind Italy so expect shutdown in 5 or 6 days, it might be longer due to lots here going into hiding.
It works look at China cases have plummeted and Italy cases are falling rapidly, they may well rise again and possibly a second clamp down will be needed but it is the only way that can work and we need to do allow it some are going to die that is awful if it's your mum or dad but it's a few for the greater good"
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"Ok for all those who think we should go into total lockdown(even if that was possible)why do you think that every winter some people catch a cold/flu or the vomiting bugs that are every bit as contagious as this virus yet most dont even if they are living together and share beds and bodily fluids ?
Do you still think that 80% of the population need to catch the virus before winter?
Yes there is simply no other way to control it unless we get a vacine and thats unlikely by then, I notice you didnt answer the question
Do 80% of the population catch these winter cold/flu vomiting bugs ?
So,10,000 people need to catch the virus every hour for 7 months, great idea . Or shall we help it spread faster?
Exactly they dont catch it because of herd immunity ie they have had it before or a very similar bug from which the current one had mutated from, it's why old and vulnerable people get vaccinated against the best guess each year so they font get I'll as their immune systems arent as good as healthy young people, as for enough getting it if it builds to a million people and they infect 2 people each day which is nothing it would take less than a week to spread to everyone in the country, of course in reality it would take longer as the more infected the less new contacts there are, this is the whole WHO way of dealing with it, let it spread up to a certain level then clamp down on movement to slow it for a while to allow health services to deal with it as best they can, then those who have recovered wont spread it and those recovering will until they are fully recovered the new cases will then spread it but slower as there are already plenty of immune people about, every country in the world is taking this approach but at different times according to where they are in the timeline we are around 13 days behind Italy so expect shutdown in 5 or 6 days, it might be longer due to lots here going into hiding.
It works look at China cases have plummeted and Italy cases are falling rapidly, they may well rise again and possibly a second clamp down will be needed but it is the only way that can work and we need to do allow it some are going to die that is awful if it's your mum or dad but it's a few for the greater good"
How many of the 53 million people you think should catch the virus will need to go to hospital? Have time of work /school? Or even die? |
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7 million verified deaths per year from smoking....no problem.
3 million verified deaths per year from alcohol.....no problem.
250,000 verified deaths per year from medical errors in the United States alone......no problem.
3500 highly suspect deaths of sick people from a new virus (when the people were already in ill health and the virus is very hard to verify using existing testing methods).....SHUT THE ENTIRE WORLD DOWN!
Whadyathink
Well, quite. Covid 19 is an excellent example of a total loss of proportion. The Chinese are already recovering from their earlier fuck up and preparing for it to be something to be coped with (like the flu is now) in the future. Rightly so.
I wrote this, below, on the original of this thread. Nothing's changed my assessment of the situation.
The Government in this country can't really do shit. They'll tell you they can - but they can't.
Why? There's too many of us and not enough police/forces personnel to make sure we're doing as we've been told.
Factor in the usual level of selfishness and stupidity inherent in the general public - and the scale of the problem - in a democracy where people are used to doing exactly as they like, travelling wherever they want ... this can't be contained.
It'll run its course, plenty of us will get infected and some will die. That's unfortunate but it's not uncommon. It never has been.
Covid 19 will just become another thing humanity has to get used to. The common cold and usual influenza haven't been eradicated; nor will this virus.
Eventually, when the economy has been fucked over enough - which is good for the planet - people will start to live with it, accept it and go back to work. They'll have to; those bills aren't going to pay themselves.
In a capitalist system like ours - which does provide all manner of comforts, conveniences and luxuries - human life is worth less than money; which is why it will always be risked in the pursuit of wealth.
Most people scared shitless of the virus just now will, given time, resume their normal pattern of behaviour. They'll risk it - because being trapped in your own home, washing your hands, running out of money and praying ASDA can deliver your shopping, is no life at all."
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"Courtesy of a Facebook post
7 million verified deaths per year from smoking....no problem.
3 million verified deaths per year from alcohol.....no problem.
250,000 verified deaths per year from medical errors in the United States alone......no problem.
3500 highly suspect deaths of sick people from a new virus (when the people were already in ill health and the virus is very hard to verify using existing testing methods).....SHUT THE ENTIRE WORLD DOWN!
Whadyathink
Well, quite. Covid 19 is an excellent example of a total loss of proportion. The Chinese are already recovering from their earlier fuck up and preparing for it to be something to be coped with (like the flu is now) in the future. Rightly so.
I wrote this, below, on the original of this thread. Nothing's changed my assessment of the situation.
The Government in this country can't really do shit. They'll tell you they can - but they can't.
Why? There's too many of us and not enough police/forces personnel to make sure we're doing as we've been told.
Factor in the usual level of selfishness and stupidity inherent in the general public - and the scale of the problem - in a democracy where people are used to doing exactly as they like, travelling wherever they want ... this can't be contained.
It'll run its course, plenty of us will get infected and some will die. That's unfortunate but it's not uncommon. It never has been.
Covid 19 will just become another thing humanity has to get used to. The common cold and usual influenza haven't been eradicated; nor will this virus.
Eventually, when the economy has been fucked over enough - which is good for the planet - people will start to live with it, accept it and go back to work. They'll have to; those bills aren't going to pay themselves.
In a capitalist system like ours - which does provide all manner of comforts, conveniences and luxuries - human life is worth less than money; which is why it will always be risked in the pursuit of wealth.
Most people scared shitless of the virus just now will, given time, resume their normal pattern of behaviour. They'll risk it - because being trapped in your own home, washing your hands, running out of money and praying ASDA can deliver your shopping, is no life at all."
I fear you will be proven correct, maybe we are all to soft to deal without a few comforts etc. What I do know is that people will lose loved ones because a few selfish people can’t be disciplined enough to stick to any lockdowns we may have to endure . I also think the government should be helping everyone who is financially struggling at this time. This virus doesn’t discriminate between the rich and the poor , if cleaners maids, restaurant and bar workers etc are forced to work with the virus because they can’t afford not to then we will all suffer |
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity.
Again I apologise, what was I thinking by putting the only known scientific data from controlled studies like a cruise ship and a closed hotel against the speculation of the unknown
Obviously some people don't like debate or can't debate so run with mass hysteria because in the end we will probably all get this virus anyway, delay, confusion or lock ourselves away for a month .. two months... It will be waiting no amount of panicking will prevent that
Proper study can help slow it down without killing thousands through suicide and starvation tho
Have fun "
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By *obka3Couple
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Any virus can be slowed down and reduced and not everyone has to become infected with a virus. No matter what the virus is."
Yes it could be stopped if everyone stayed at home for at least 14 days probably 21 to be sure, that's every single person in the world, so no power, no defence, no food, no hospital care no old person care unless in your own home by family, andvevery single country has to do it at the same time, perhaps it might stop it but more would die from other illnesses and diseases than this will cause.
I really dont understand why people think we can eradicate or stop this virus. You are living in cloud cuckoo land, just look at what the who, all governments are saying, they dont say one word about stopping it, the words they use are, living with it |
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Any virus can be slowed down and reduced and not everyone has to become infected with a virus. No matter what the virus is.
Yes it could be stopped if everyone stayed at home for at least 14 days probably 21 to be sure, that's every single person in the world, so no power, no defence, no food, no hospital care no old person care unless in your own home by family, andvevery single country has to do it at the same time, perhaps it might stop it but more would die from other illnesses and diseases than this will cause.
I really dont understand why people think we can eradicate or stop this virus. You are living in cloud cuckoo land, just look at what the who, all governments are saying, they dont say one word about stopping it, the words they use are, living with it "
You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think we can cope with 53 million people catching the virus in 7 months. The government will have to change their response in the next 2 or 3 weeks , I hope you abide by the new rules they will impose |
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55 million people die worldwide each year. Mostly elderly the rest mostly preventable conditions. Old people die . Always have done always will do. Millions worldwide from existing conditions . Do we panic about that?. Millions die from obesity smoking and alcohol related illnesses. Do we ban sausages, cakes, vodka and cigarettes ?. It’s an illness . Really really don’t get the panic . Wash your hands.wise up |
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"55 million people die worldwide each year. Mostly elderly the rest mostly preventable conditions. Old people die . Always have done always will do. Millions worldwide from existing conditions . Do we panic about that?. Millions die from obesity smoking and alcohol related illnesses. Do we ban sausages, cakes, vodka and cigarettes ?. It’s an illness . Really really don’t get the panic . Wash your hands.wise up"
I didn’t know you could catch obesity or a smoking and alcohol related illness? That is a new one. The people who die from those problems only have themselves to blame, wise up. Your in fir a massive shock in 2-3 weeks |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Boris would do well to look at what others have done
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/singapore-response-contained-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak/"
You would do well to take a couple of minutes to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8 |
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"Boris would do well to look at what others have done
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/singapore-response-contained-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak/You would do well to take a couple of minutes to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8"
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By *obka3Couple
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Any virus can be slowed down and reduced and not everyone has to become infected with a virus. No matter what the virus is.
Yes it could be stopped if everyone stayed at home for at least 14 days probably 21 to be sure, that's every single person in the world, so no power, no defence, no food, no hospital care no old person care unless in your own home by family, andvevery single country has to do it at the same time, perhaps it might stop it but more would die from other illnesses and diseases than this will cause.
I really dont understand why people think we can eradicate or stop this virus. You are living in cloud cuckoo land, just look at what the who, all governments are saying, they dont say one word about stopping it, the words they use are, living with it
You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think we can cope with 53 million people catching the virus in 7 months. The government will have to change their response in the next 2 or 3 weeks , I hope you abide by the new rules they will impose "
They are following a plan that will work if it's done at the right time, they have experts advising them when to order the close down, if you dont want to catch it then keep away from people until it's over, trouble is like flu, this wont be over. I will do what ever the experts tell me to do because it is going to be best for everyone, |
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"55 million people die worldwide each year. Mostly elderly the rest mostly preventable conditions. Old people die . Always have done always will do. Millions worldwide from existing conditions . Do we panic about that?. Millions die from obesity smoking and alcohol related illnesses. Do we ban sausages, cakes, vodka and cigarettes ?. It’s an illness . Really really don’t get the panic . Wash your hands.wise up"
Bloody hell, when did ingesting sausages, cake, vodka and cigarettes become compulsory ? I always thought you had a choice |
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Any virus can be slowed down and reduced and not everyone has to become infected with a virus. No matter what the virus is.
Yes it could be stopped if everyone stayed at home for at least 14 days probably 21 to be sure, that's every single person in the world, so no power, no defence, no food, no hospital care no old person care unless in your own home by family, andvevery single country has to do it at the same time, perhaps it might stop it but more would die from other illnesses and diseases than this will cause.
I really dont understand why people think we can eradicate or stop this virus. You are living in cloud cuckoo land, just look at what the who, all governments are saying, they dont say one word about stopping it, the words they use are, living with it
You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think we can cope with 53 million people catching the virus in 7 months. The government will have to change their response in the next 2 or 3 weeks , I hope you abide by the new rules they will impose
They are following a plan that will work if it's done at the right time, they have experts advising them when to order the close down, if you dont want to catch it then keep away from people until it's over, trouble is like flu, this wont be over. I will do what ever the experts tell me to do because it is going to be best for everyone, "
Then getting stocking up on toilet rolls, you are going to need them soon |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Boris would do well to look at what others have done
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/singapore-response-contained-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak/You would do well to take a couple of minutes to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8
Yeah, amazing what you find on YouTube. I saw a video of a dwarf fighting a bear on there recently, not sure if the bear was real though "
So are you saying that doesnt make sense to you then? Its the governments strategy put in simple terms for people who watch dwarfs fighting bears. |
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"Boris would do well to look at what others have done
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/singapore-response-contained-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak/You would do well to take a couple of minutes to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8
Yeah, amazing what you find on YouTube. I saw a video of a dwarf fighting a bear on there recently, not sure if the bear was real though So are you saying that doesnt make sense to you then? Its the governments strategy put in simple terms for people who watch dwarfs fighting bears. "
It is a theory based on to many variables and uncertainties. Obviously Italy, China, Spain, Ireland, Austria, China, Denmark etc etc decided to ignore it. Don’t believe everything you watch on YouTube |
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"Exactly... I saw a YouTube video put out by the Labour Party denying there was any anti semetism in the Labour Party . Must have been the truth"
Back to JC and the labour parry .You have just compared the Coronavirus to eating a sausage, haha |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Boris would do well to look at what others have done
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/singapore-response-contained-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak/You would do well to take a couple of minutes to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8
Yeah, amazing what you find on YouTube. I saw a video of a dwarf fighting a bear on there recently, not sure if the bear was real though So are you saying that doesnt make sense to you then? Its the governments strategy put in simple terms for people who watch dwarfs fighting bears.
It is a theory based on to many variables and uncertainties. Obviously Italy, China, Spain, Ireland, Austria, China, Denmark etc etc decided to ignore it. Don’t believe everything you watch on YouTube "
No i think they worked on the very same principle just got the timing a little wrong.No i dont believe everything i see on youtube but thought it might interest you as it is what i was saying the other day and you couldnt grasp it. |
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"Boris would do well to look at what others have done
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/singapore-response-contained-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak/You would do well to take a couple of minutes to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8
Yeah, amazing what you find on YouTube. I saw a video of a dwarf fighting a bear on there recently, not sure if the bear was real though So are you saying that doesnt make sense to you then? Its the governments strategy put in simple terms for people who watch dwarfs fighting bears.
It is a theory based on to many variables and uncertainties. Obviously Italy, China, Spain, Ireland, Austria, China, Denmark etc etc decided to ignore it. Don’t believe everything you watch on YouTube No i think they worked on the very same principle just got the timing a little wrong.No i dont believe everything i see on youtube but thought it might interest you as it is what i was saying the other day and you couldnt grasp it."
Thanks, that was very helpful of you. Tbh I am now more concerned about these contagious killer sausages that are on the loose , |
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"Boris would do well to look at what others have done
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/singapore-response-contained-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak/You would do well to take a couple of minutes to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8
Yeah, amazing what you find on YouTube. I saw a video of a dwarf fighting a bear on there recently, not sure if the bear was real though So are you saying that doesnt make sense to you then? Its the governments strategy put in simple terms for people who watch dwarfs fighting bears.
It is a theory based on to many variables and uncertainties. Obviously Italy, China, Spain, Ireland, Austria, China, Denmark etc etc decided to ignore it. Don’t believe everything you watch on YouTube No i think they worked on the very same principle just got the timing a little wrong.No i dont believe everything i see on youtube but thought it might interest you as it is what i was saying the other day and you couldnt grasp it.
Thanks, that was very helpful of you. Tbh I am now more concerned about these contagious killer sausages that are on the loose , "
Great except.
The container being poured into isn't already full.
Every drop going in comes out cured. This isn't true for 3.4% of the population.
There is no such thing as 100% quarantine. There are still skeleton crews keeping essential services working & people enforcing the quarantine. China is still on lockdown but still reporting new cases and new fatalities.
What the government is essentially doing is turning the bucket upside down immediately.
Time will tell. If it all goes wrong we can blame Corbyn..... somehow....
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"Boris would do well to look at what others have done
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/singapore-response-contained-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak/You would do well to take a couple of minutes to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8
Yeah, amazing what you find on YouTube. I saw a video of a dwarf fighting a bear on there recently, not sure if the bear was real though So are you saying that doesnt make sense to you then? Its the governments strategy put in simple terms for people who watch dwarfs fighting bears.
It is a theory based on to many variables and uncertainties. Obviously Italy, China, Spain, Ireland, Austria, China, Denmark etc etc decided to ignore it. Don’t believe everything you watch on YouTube No i think they worked on the very same principle just got the timing a little wrong.No i dont believe everything i see on youtube but thought it might interest you as it is what i was saying the other day and you couldnt grasp it.
Thanks, that was very helpful of you. Tbh I am now more concerned about these contagious killer sausages that are on the loose ,
Great except.
The container being poured into isn't already full.
Every drop going in comes out cured. This isn't true for 3.4% of the population.
There is no such thing as 100% quarantine. There are still skeleton crews keeping essential services working & people enforcing the quarantine. China is still on lockdown but still reporting new cases and new fatalities.
What the government is essentially doing is turning the bucket upside down immediately.
Time will tell. If it all goes wrong we can blame Corbyn..... somehow....
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Or sausages |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Boris would do well to look at what others have done
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/singapore-response-contained-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak/You would do well to take a couple of minutes to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8
Yeah, amazing what you find on YouTube. I saw a video of a dwarf fighting a bear on there recently, not sure if the bear was real though So are you saying that doesnt make sense to you then? Its the governments strategy put in simple terms for people who watch dwarfs fighting bears.
It is a theory based on to many variables and uncertainties. Obviously Italy, China, Spain, Ireland, Austria, China, Denmark etc etc decided to ignore it. Don’t believe everything you watch on YouTube No i think they worked on the very same principle just got the timing a little wrong.No i dont believe everything i see on youtube but thought it might interest you as it is what i was saying the other day and you couldnt grasp it.
Thanks, that was very helpful of you. Tbh I am now more concerned about these contagious killer sausages that are on the loose ,
Great except.
The container being poured into isn't already full.
Every drop going in comes out cured. This isn't true for 3.4% of the population.
There is no such thing as 100% quarantine. There are still skeleton crews keeping essential services working & people enforcing the quarantine. China is still on lockdown but still reporting new cases and new fatalities.
What the government is essentially doing is turning the bucket upside down immediately.
Time will tell. If it all goes wrong we can blame Corbyn..... somehow....
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"Boris would do well to look at what others have done
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/singapore-response-contained-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak/You would do well to take a couple of minutes to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8
Yeah, amazing what you find on YouTube. I saw a video of a dwarf fighting a bear on there recently, not sure if the bear was real though So are you saying that doesnt make sense to you then? Its the governments strategy put in simple terms for people who watch dwarfs fighting bears.
It is a theory based on to many variables and uncertainties. Obviously Italy, China, Spain, Ireland, Austria, China, Denmark etc etc decided to ignore it. Don’t believe everything you watch on YouTube No i think they worked on the very same principle just got the timing a little wrong.No i dont believe everything i see on youtube but thought it might interest you as it is what i was saying the other day and you couldnt grasp it.
Thanks, that was very helpful of you. Tbh I am now more concerned about these contagious killer sausages that are on the loose , "
My questions are
Do we know if it would normally spread more or less than the seasonal viruses we already have
Do we know how much more deadly it is than other seasonal viruses
And based upon of the above logic
Should we be be on permanent lockdown forever to prevent vulnerable people catching the indeed deadly normal variants of influenza as honestly some of the valid points in wanting to prevent this condition appear to apply potentially equally to the nasty influenzas we suffer and lose our loved ones to
I have no idea
Something just does not seem right and I have no idea
One thing I feel is sure which i think the forum debates possibly illustrate is human fear and violence may cause a fair number of deaths
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"Boris would do well to look at what others have done
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/singapore-response-contained-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak/You would do well to take a couple of minutes to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8
Yeah, amazing what you find on YouTube. I saw a video of a dwarf fighting a bear on there recently, not sure if the bear was real though So are you saying that doesnt make sense to you then? Its the governments strategy put in simple terms for people who watch dwarfs fighting bears.
It is a theory based on to many variables and uncertainties. Obviously Italy, China, Spain, Ireland, Austria, China, Denmark etc etc decided to ignore it. Don’t believe everything you watch on YouTube No i think they worked on the very same principle just got the timing a little wrong.No i dont believe everything i see on youtube but thought it might interest you as it is what i was saying the other day and you couldnt grasp it.
Thanks, that was very helpful of you. Tbh I am now more concerned about these contagious killer sausages that are on the loose ,
Great except.
The container being poured into isn't already full.
Every drop going in comes out cured. This isn't true for 3.4% of the population.
There is no such thing as 100% quarantine. There are still skeleton crews keeping essential services working & people enforcing the quarantine. China is still on lockdown but still reporting new cases and new fatalities.
What the government is essentially doing is turning the bucket upside down immediately.
Time will tell. If it all goes wrong we can blame Corbyn..... somehow....
and he still doesnt get it. doh"
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"I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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if you don't think this shit is real..... in ireland they have just asked all pubs to close for 2 weeks.....
over st paddys day holiday.....
now you know its nuts!!!!
now let the panic buying on alcohol begin!!! |
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"Apologies, the last THREE 0
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Sorry to much Guinness Tonite
Probably too much Guinness in a long time. Your posts are proof of that
Sorry the facts of the article dont agree with your opinion
My facts are based on realism and not on fantasy and stupidity.
Again I apologise, what was I thinking by putting the only known scientific data from controlled studies like a cruise ship and a closed hotel against the speculation of the unknown
Obviously some people don't like debate or can't debate so run with mass hysteria because in the end we will probably all get this virus anyway, delay, confusion or lock ourselves away for a month .. two months... It will be waiting no amount of panicking will prevent that
Proper study can help slow it down without killing thousands through suicide and starvation tho
Have fun
Any virus can be slowed down and reduced and not everyone has to become infected with a virus. No matter what the virus is."
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""I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19
Stupid stupid epidemiologist. What does he know..... doh"
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I think everyone should stay locked indoors in the whole world for 12 months... just in case someone gets poorly and dies. I mean, we can’t have anyone dying. We must do as much as possible to stop anyone dying. If the whole world economy collapses, mass unemployment, hundreds of thousands of homeless people it doesn’t matter. As long as we do anything, everything to sop people dying . It would be a tragedy if one single person dies anywhere in the world because of this |
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"I think everyone should stay locked indoors in the whole world for 12 months... just in case someone gets poorly and dies. I mean, we can’t have anyone dying. We must do as much as possible to stop anyone dying. If the whole world economy collapses, mass unemployment, hundreds of thousands of homeless people it doesn’t matter. As long as we do anything, everything to sop people dying . It would be a tragedy if one single person dies anywhere in the world because of this"
Your right, and even if we do stay inside for 12 months the virus will be waiting on a bat, or a dog, or a fish and it will all start over. |
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"I think everyone should stay locked indoors in the whole world for 12 months... just in case someone gets poorly and dies. I mean, we can’t have anyone dying. We must do as much as possible to stop anyone dying. If the whole world economy collapses, mass unemployment, hundreds of thousands of homeless people it doesn’t matter. As long as we do anything, everything to sop people dying . It would be a tragedy if one single person dies anywhere in the world because of this"
Yeah, and make sure they don’t eat cake and sausages . Get stocking up , Belfast will be in lock down soon |
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"I think everyone should stay locked indoors in the whole world for 12 months... just in case someone gets poorly and dies. I mean, we can’t have anyone dying. We must do as much as possible to stop anyone dying. If the whole world economy collapses, mass unemployment, hundreds of thousands of homeless people it doesn’t matter. As long as we do anything, everything to sop people dying . It would be a tragedy if one single person dies anywhere in the world because of this
Your right, and even if we do stay inside for 12 months the virus will be waiting on a bat, or a dog, or a fish and it will all start over."
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"I think everyone should stay locked indoors in the whole world for 12 months... just in case someone gets poorly and dies. I mean, we can’t have anyone dying. We must do as much as possible to stop anyone dying. If the whole world economy collapses, mass unemployment, hundreds of thousands of homeless people it doesn’t matter. As long as we do anything, everything to sop people dying . It would be a tragedy if one single person dies anywhere in the world because of this
Your right, and even if we do stay inside for 12 months the virus will be waiting on a bat, or a dog, or a fish and it will all start over.
I hope you had a good time at the pub last night, they will be shut soon "
still at it eh ??
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"I think everyone should stay locked indoors in the whole world for 12 months... just in case someone gets poorly and dies. I mean, we can’t have anyone dying. We must do as much as possible to stop anyone dying. If the whole world economy collapses, mass unemployment, hundreds of thousands of homeless people it doesn’t matter. As long as we do anything, everything to sop people dying . It would be a tragedy if one single person dies anywhere in the world because of this
Your right, and even if we do stay inside for 12 months the virus will be waiting on a bat, or a dog, or a fish and it will all start over.
I hope you had a good time at the pub last night, they will be shut soon
still at it eh ??
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Yeah, your learning the hard way |
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""I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19
Stupid stupid epidemiologist. What does he know..... doh
But but but, there is a video on YouTube, it must be true "
I know. Why these epidemiologists study and go out into the field I don't know. When they could have just watched YouTube.
Another name for 'herd theory' response is SittingOnYourHandsAndDoingDiddlySquat
I'm not seeing this trickle. Just seeing headlines that read "biggest daily jump"... looks like an exponential curve to me. |
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""I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19
Stupid stupid epidemiologist. What does he know..... doh
But but but, there is a video on YouTube, it must be true
I know. Why these epidemiologists study and go out into the field I don't know. When they could have just watched YouTube.
Another name for 'herd theory' response is SittingOnYourHandsAndDoingDiddlySquat
I'm not seeing this trickle. Just seeing headlines that read "biggest daily jump"... looks like an exponential curve to me."
Maybe if they just poured buckets of water everywhere everybody would be all right |
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""I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19
Stupid stupid epidemiologist. What does he know..... doh
But but but, there is a video on YouTube, it must be true
I know. Why these epidemiologists study and go out into the field I don't know. When they could have just watched YouTube.
Another name for 'herd theory' response is SittingOnYourHandsAndDoingDiddlySquat
I'm not seeing this trickle. Just seeing headlines that read "biggest daily jump"... looks like an exponential curve to me.
Maybe if they just poured buckets of water everywhere everybody would be all right "
My understanding is that we are in a "slowing phase" where we try to limit the spread so that the health services can handle the pressure on services. And we are slowing it by trying to get as many people infected as possible. So yeah I must be really stupid. |
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