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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Are you on the edge of the seat of excitement? So what could we expect from it and what would they bring up on the table you reckon? The talks will last till june and uk seems to be looking for a canada style deal but the eu have the upper hand  |
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How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement"
How did they "break ranks" during the transition negotiations? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Are you on the edge of the seat of excitement? So what could we expect from it and what would they bring up on the table you reckon? The talks will last till june and uk seems to be looking for a canada style deal but the eu have the upper hand "
I'm not on the edge of my seat or excited.
It will be a miserable exposure of our lack of diplomatic and negotiating skill.
Our international reputation has already been shot to pieces over the last few years.
No deal with exceptions for Automotive and Aerospace. Possibly pharmaceuticals.
However we will follow EU regulations on all of them.
Limited financial services access with equivalency to EU regulations granted on a whim which will lead to European investment management moving to the EU over time.
Fishing in more or less the same place,bit some headline smoke and mirrors.
No I e will notice as we will be heading into a global recession with the Corona virus tail hitting us too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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France will spit the dummy as they are told to stay out of UK / Scottish waters
UK waters is a big bargaining tool
as is the cash they expect us to pay, note I said "Expect" |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement
How did they "break ranks" during the transition negotiations?"
That was a different ball game mate easy for them all to agree to that,now they all have their own agendas we he have a government all on the same page and in case you havnt noticed half of europe is on the brink of recession. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement"
I know you're just taking the piss. But the reality of the situation is that some people actually believe this kind of horse shit.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement
How did they "break ranks" during the transition negotiations?That was a different ball game mate easy for them all to agree to that,now they all have their own agendas we he have a government all on the same page and in case you havnt noticed half of europe is on the brink of recession."
The entire planet is on the brink of recession.
Did that pass you by? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"France will spit the dummy as they are told to stay out of UK / Scottish waters
UK waters is a big bargaining tool
as is the cash they expect us to pay, note I said "Expect""
UK waters a "big bargaining tool". Most of the rights are owned by EU firms anyway.
Fishing Vs financial services?
Who do you think wins that fight?  |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement
How did they "break ranks" during the transition negotiations?That was a different ball game mate easy for them all to agree to that,now they all have their own agendas we he have a government all on the same page and in case you havnt noticed half of europe is on the brink of recession.
The entire planet is on the brink of recession.
Did that pass you by?"
Not at all but countries who were before the outbreak are more at risk than those who wernt. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement
How did they "break ranks" during the transition negotiations?That was a different ball game mate easy for them all to agree to that,now they all have their own agendas we he have a government all on the same page and in case you havnt noticed half of europe is on the brink of recession.
The entire planet is on the brink of recession.
Did that pass you by?Not at all but countries who were before the outbreak are more at risk than those who wernt. "
If China slows then it all goes wrong.
Hoping for the EU to suffer more than us isn't going to work out.
That is what you are basing this strategy on.
The EU countries do all have their own agendas but negotiate as a block with an agreed position. That's what collective bargaining is.
This is the contradiction at the heart of the Brexit argument. No countries have sovereignty and "the EU" imposes its will biut they are all divided with their own agendas and cannot make a decision. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement
How did they "break ranks" during the transition negotiations?That was a different ball game mate easy for them all to agree to that,now they all have their own agendas we he have a government all on the same page and in case you havnt noticed half of europe is on the brink of recession.
The entire planet is on the brink of recession.
Did that pass you by?Not at all but countries who were before the outbreak are more at risk than those who wernt.
If China slows then it all goes wrong.
Hoping for the EU to suffer more than us isn't going to work out.
That is what you are basing this strategy on.
The EU countries do all have their own agendas but negotiate as a block with an agreed position. That's what collective bargaining is.
This is the contradiction at the heart of the Brexit argument. No countries have sovereignty and "the EU" imposes its will biut they are all divided with their own agendas and cannot make a decision."
Who is hoping that? i was just pointing out a fact dont try and paint me as someone who wants the eu to fail i still have a house there and many friends i wouldnt want them to suffer.We will see how the collective bargaining goes but going by the collective bargaining on the new eu budget i wouldnt hold my breath.Have you been following that? doesnt seem to be much solidarity when it comes to money and i expect the same will happen on trade. |
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Yup and as a lone wolf we can cut deals everywhere ...what is there to be afraid off ......god a world recession...no fake news or scaremongering there then ...I did not know so many from fabs are so politically high up in world of politics.
.hell I might need advice soon on everything ...do you charge for you crystal ball |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement
How did they "break ranks" during the transition negotiations?That was a different ball game mate easy for them all to agree to that,now they all have their own agendas we he have a government all on the same page and in case you havnt noticed half of europe is on the brink of recession.
The entire planet is on the brink of recession.
Did that pass you by?Not at all but countries who were before the outbreak are more at risk than those who wernt.
If China slows then it all goes wrong.
Hoping for the EU to suffer more than us isn't going to work out.
That is what you are basing this strategy on.
The EU countries do all have their own agendas but negotiate as a block with an agreed position. That's what collective bargaining is.
This is the contradiction at the heart of the Brexit argument. No countries have sovereignty and "the EU" imposes its will biut they are all divided with their own agendas and cannot make a decision.Who is hoping that? i was just pointing out a fact dont try and paint me as someone who wants the eu to fail i still have a house there and many friends i wouldnt want them to suffer.We will see how the collective bargaining goes but going by the collective bargaining on the new eu budget i wouldnt hold my breath.Have you been following that? doesnt seem to be much solidarity when it comes to money and i expect the same will happen on trade."
Your negotiating hopes are pinned on the EU being more badly hit economically than we are. However, they have tens of trade agreements in place and can trade with each other.
We will be alone when the shutters go up.
The EU budget discussions are not collective bargaining are they? Completely the opposite.
That is utterly missing the point. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Yup and as a lone wolf we can cut deals everywhere ...what is there to be afraid off ......god a world recession...no fake news or scaremongering there then ...I did not know so many from fabs are so politically high up in world of politics.
.hell I might need advice soon on everything ...do you charge for you crystal ball"
Lone wolf?
Just alone.
If you see no economic problems coming out of ten years of debt fueled growth and a global health emergency with disruption to travel and the global supply chain then you are exactly the person you portray yourself to be in your posts  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement
How did they "break ranks" during the transition negotiations?That was a different ball game mate easy for them all to agree to that,now they all have their own agendas we he have a government all on the same page and in case you havnt noticed half of europe is on the brink of recession.
The entire planet is on the brink of recession.
Did that pass you by?Not at all but countries who were before the outbreak are more at risk than those who wernt.
If China slows then it all goes wrong.
Hoping for the EU to suffer more than us isn't going to work out.
That is what you are basing this strategy on.
The EU countries do all have their own agendas but negotiate as a block with an agreed position. That's what collective bargaining is.
This is the contradiction at the heart of the Brexit argument. No countries have sovereignty and "the EU" imposes its will biut they are all divided with their own agendas and cannot make a decision.Who is hoping that? i was just pointing out a fact dont try and paint me as someone who wants the eu to fail i still have a house there and many friends i wouldnt want them to suffer.We will see how the collective bargaining goes but going by the collective bargaining on the new eu budget i wouldnt hold my breath.Have you been following that? doesnt seem to be much solidarity when it comes to money and i expect the same will happen on trade.
Your negotiating hopes are pinned on the EU being more badly hit economically than we are. However, they have tens of trade agreements in place and can trade with each other.
We will be alone when the shutters go up.
The EU budget discussions are not collective bargaining are they? Completely the opposite.
That is utterly missing the point."
Yes eu wont be hit economically at all it is like mr patels corner shop v tesco, eu only have 7% trade with the eu so they wont be affected but the uk will be that. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement
How did they "break ranks" during the transition negotiations?That was a different ball game mate easy for them all to agree to that,now they all have their own agendas we he have a government all on the same page and in case you havnt noticed half of europe is on the brink of recession.
The entire planet is on the brink of recession.
Did that pass you by?Not at all but countries who were before the outbreak are more at risk than those who wernt.
If China slows then it all goes wrong.
Hoping for the EU to suffer more than us isn't going to work out.
That is what you are basing this strategy on.
The EU countries do all have their own agendas but negotiate as a block with an agreed position. That's what collective bargaining is.
This is the contradiction at the heart of the Brexit argument. No countries have sovereignty and "the EU" imposes its will biut they are all divided with their own agendas and cannot make a decision.Who is hoping that? i was just pointing out a fact dont try and paint me as someone who wants the eu to fail i still have a house there and many friends i wouldnt want them to suffer.We will see how the collective bargaining goes but going by the collective bargaining on the new eu budget i wouldnt hold my breath.Have you been following that? doesnt seem to be much solidarity when it comes to money and i expect the same will happen on trade.
Your negotiating hopes are pinned on the EU being more badly hit economically than we are. However, they have tens of trade agreements in place and can trade with each other.
We will be alone when the shutters go up.
The EU budget discussions are not collective bargaining are they? Completely the opposite.
That is utterly missing the point."
Exactly so it is you that is missing the point every country in the eu will have their own agenda on whats best for them in the trade talks and wont be railroaded by france and germany just as they have shown in the budget talks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's a cold/ flu
..not a nuclear war "
Yeah, it's only reckoned to be about 10 times more lethal than the flu. So it's only likely to cause a few million deaths. Why worry about that?  |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement
How did they "break ranks" during the transition negotiations?That was a different ball game mate easy for them all to agree to that,now they all have their own agendas we he have a government all on the same page and in case you havnt noticed half of europe is on the brink of recession.
The entire planet is on the brink of recession.
Did that pass you by?Not at all but countries who were before the outbreak are more at risk than those who wernt.
If China slows then it all goes wrong.
Hoping for the EU to suffer more than us isn't going to work out.
That is what you are basing this strategy on.
The EU countries do all have their own agendas but negotiate as a block with an agreed position. That's what collective bargaining is.
This is the contradiction at the heart of the Brexit argument. No countries have sovereignty and "the EU" imposes its will biut they are all divided with their own agendas and cannot make a decision.Who is hoping that? i was just pointing out a fact dont try and paint me as someone who wants the eu to fail i still have a house there and many friends i wouldnt want them to suffer.We will see how the collective bargaining goes but going by the collective bargaining on the new eu budget i wouldnt hold my breath.Have you been following that? doesnt seem to be much solidarity when it comes to money and i expect the same will happen on trade.
Your negotiating hopes are pinned on the EU being more badly hit economically than we are. However, they have tens of trade agreements in place and can trade with each other.
We will be alone when the shutters go up.
The EU budget discussions are not collective bargaining are they? Completely the opposite.
That is utterly missing the point.Yes eu wont be hit economically at all it is like mr patels corner shop v tesco, eu only have 7% trade with the eu so they wont be affected but the uk will be that."
The trade deficit was £66 billion and was actually £94 billion in goods now you tell me if tariffs go on who has the most to lose? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Few million deaths ...seems ya never exaggerate much....what to net 3 million don't die ....it's a cold/ flu ..."
Could you write that in English please? I've no idea what you're trying to say. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh sorry ...Few million deaths ...want to bet it's not 3 million nothing like a bit of exaggeration there then.. "
That's almost a sentence. It's still garbled, though.
Are you saying there will likely be a few million deaths? Or are you saying a few million deaths would be an exaggeration? Are you saying I'm exaggerating? Or the news is?
When you write so incoherently, I'm afraid it's hard to know what you mean. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh I'm so thick compared to the great on here ...but hey never mind ."
I never said you were thick. But when you write in such an incoherent way, your points are not made well. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"France will spit the dummy as they are told to stay out of UK / Scottish waters
UK waters is a big bargaining tool
as is the cash they expect us to pay, note I said "Expect"
UK waters a "big bargaining tool". Most of the rights are owned by EU firms anyway.
Fishing Vs financial services?
Who do you think wins that fight? "
If you believe the doom mongers and half the world does then fishing will be far more important than a few bankers as will people who do a job that enables the rest of society to live |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Are you on the edge of the seat of excitement? So what could we expect from it and what would they bring up on the table you reckon? The talks will last till june and uk seems to be looking for a canada style deal but the eu have the upper hand "
No lets just see how it goes. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement
How did they "break ranks" during the transition negotiations?That was a different ball game mate easy for them all to agree to that,now they all have their own agendas we he have a government all on the same page and in case you havnt noticed half of europe is on the brink of recession.
The entire planet is on the brink of recession.
Did that pass you by?Not at all but countries who were before the outbreak are more at risk than those who wernt.
If China slows then it all goes wrong.
Hoping for the EU to suffer more than us isn't going to work out.
That is what you are basing this strategy on.
The EU countries do all have their own agendas but negotiate as a block with an agreed position. That's what collective bargaining is.
This is the contradiction at the heart of the Brexit argument. No countries have sovereignty and "the EU" imposes its will biut they are all divided with their own agendas and cannot make a decision."
They may negotiate en bloc but every country and even parts of those countries have to sign off on it, remember that tiny part of Belgium that stopped the deal a while ago, France has already said that if fishing isnt included they will veto |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"How do you work out they have upper hand...we can just tell them to fuck off and do our own deals ...watch the eu boys break ranks when the action hots up....plus the eu are shit scared other countries will follow the britex movement
How did they "break ranks" during the transition negotiations?That was a different ball game mate easy for them all to agree to that,now they all have their own agendas we he have a government all on the same page and in case you havnt noticed half of europe is on the brink of recession.
The entire planet is on the brink of recession.
Did that pass you by?Not at all but countries who were before the outbreak are more at risk than those who wernt.
If China slows then it all goes wrong.
Hoping for the EU to suffer more than us isn't going to work out.
That is what you are basing this strategy on.
The EU countries do all have their own agendas but negotiate as a block with an agreed position. That's what collective bargaining is.
This is the contradiction at the heart of the Brexit argument. No countries have sovereignty and "the EU" imposes its will biut they are all divided with their own agendas and cannot make a decision.Who is hoping that? i was just pointing out a fact dont try and paint me as someone who wants the eu to fail i still have a house there and many friends i wouldnt want them to suffer.We will see how the collective bargaining goes but going by the collective bargaining on the new eu budget i wouldnt hold my breath.Have you been following that? doesnt seem to be much solidarity when it comes to money and i expect the same will happen on trade.
Your negotiating hopes are pinned on the EU being more badly hit economically than we are. However, they have tens of trade agreements in place and can trade with each other.
We will be alone when the shutters go up.
The EU budget discussions are not collective bargaining are they? Completely the opposite.
That is utterly missing the point.Exactly so it is you that is missing the point every country in the eu will have their own agenda on whats best for them in the trade talks and wont be railroaded by france and germany just as they have shown in the budget talks."
Wow
When discussing the internal budget they are negotiating with each other. No collective bargaining.
When they decide on an external negotiating position they discuss amongst themselves then instruct the trade negotiator. They all act together. That is collective bargaining.
You and half the country seem to fundamentally misunderstand this. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Oh sorry ...Few million deaths ...want to bet it's not 3 million nothing like a bit of exaggeration there then.. "
2% of 7.7bn is 154 million
Hopefully, hopefully it will be nothing like as bad as this, but it's possible based on current figures. Global transport is much faster and the virus could become more deadly.
Panic won't help, but neither will pretending nothing is wrong. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"France will spit the dummy as they are told to stay out of UK / Scottish waters
UK waters is a big bargaining tool
as is the cash they expect us to pay, note I said "Expect"
UK waters a "big bargaining tool". Most of the rights are owned by EU firms anyway.
Fishing Vs financial services?
Who do you think wins that fight?
If you believe the doom mongers and half the world does then fishing will be far more important than a few bankers as will people who do a job that enables the rest of society to live"
This is genuinely the most frustrating aspect of all of this.
The trundling out of empty, meaningless phrases to try and dismiss anything that questions their position.
Doom mongers 
Also a method to actually sidestep the point made. The UK is not going to sacrifice the financial sector for fishing. That would be absolutely nuts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks, none of us know what is going to happen until its happened."
True
as long as the French are worse off, im happy |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks, none of us know what is going to happen until its happened.
True
as long as the French are worse off, im happy "
Macron is making sure of that anyway.Seems he used some law to pass the pension reforms without having a vote,more strikes next week. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks, none of us know what is going to happen until its happened.
True
as long as the French are worse off, im happy "
Why? |
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By *amantMan
over a year ago
Alnmouth |
"Doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks, none of us know what is going to happen until its happened.
True
as long as the French are worse off, im happy "
They won't be. The financial cost of leaving the European Union has already exceeded what our membership cost. And since a lot of people seem convinced they voted for 'short-term economic harm' I can imagine this will continue into the future. In addition to this, the largest French exports to ourselves would be secured under a "Canada-style" trade arrangement. One of our largest exports to the EU, being financial services, would not be. It's unclear to what extent this will harm the ability to trade with France in particular but it will be considerably harder. That is of course unless the government somehow manage to secure such protections. But considering we have a foreign secretary that until 2018 did not understand how important the Dover-Calais crossing was to our economy, this is despite it being the shortest route to continental Europe from England, I don't really have much faith. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks, none of us know what is going to happen until its happened.
True
as long as the French are worse off, im happy "
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