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"I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence) But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak. It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse??? I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old..... Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses.... Discuss......" I think we've become so sensationalist about everything that we now don't know how to stop. | |||
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"I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause. After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else....... "Now you come to mention it ......... | |||
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"I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause. After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else....... "I assumed man made climate change would be to blame. | |||
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"Total panic ..let's spoil everything for everybody..." What has the coronavirus spoilt for you ? | |||
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"I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence) But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak. Totally agree, the latest media gone mad story. It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse??? I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old..... Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses.... Discuss...... I think we've become so sensationalist about everything that we now don't know how to stop. "  | |||
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"Bollocks all because yet again I could not give a fuck ...but hate the panic of idiots" Idiots? What would you do if you or someone you know caught the virus ? Just shout bollocks and carry on your normal life? | |||
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"Big Soup was the bane of my life but, after some serious psychotherapy, I'm glad to be able to say...... YES! I have been 'on the wagon' now for almost five years. Thank you. Eva. X" Irrelevant , but I guess you knew that | |||
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"Research from China finds it is 1000 times more infective than SRS and has an HIV-like mutation that helps it bind extremely effectively to human cells. It may prove extremely difficult to make a vaccine for this. " Then let's hope and pray that it doesn't mutate into something far more dangerous. That would be the real nightmare scenario. | |||
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"Total panic ..let's spoil everything for everybody... What has the coronavirus spoilt for you ? " the roads | |||
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"Big Soup was the bane of my life but, after some serious psychotherapy, I'm glad to be able to say...... YES! I have been 'on the wagon' now for almost five years. Thank you. Eva. X Irrelevant , but I guess you knew that "********************* (Through clenched teeth)....., of-course-I-did......!! I was merely being 'irreverent', as per. NEXT! Eva X | |||
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"I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause. After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else....... "Yeah! Why not? The lefties have already tried to blame Trump.  | |||
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"For most people this Coronva virus will be less serious than a mild dose of the flu. However it is not flu and differs from it in a number of ways and this is why it is being treated quite differently. The first way it is different from flu is that it's about two to three times more contagious than flu. The second way it's different from flu is that people with this virus can become contagious before they become symptomatic; in fact many people who get this virus may become contagious and never become symptomatic. The third way it's different from flu is that no one has any natural immunity to it as it's never been here before. What we are not talking about here is a world apocalypse or Omega Man scenarios but we are talking about an infection that could, in a reasonable worse case scenario, potentially kill 500,000 people in the UK. The current effort is designed to slow the spread of the virus down. It can't and won't be stopped but, if it can be slowed down, then there is more chance of a vacination being developed before the virus hits its peak contagion and that could potentially save hundreds of vulnerable people from possible death. The advice is to take precautions but don't panic. " Very good post.
With apologies to F D Roosevelt, I think the only thing to panic about is panic itself.
Over the weekend here in Germany you would have thought that WW 3 had just broken out.
In our local supermarkets, rice, pasta, sugar, flour, toilet rolls, and tinned anything was virtually unobtainable by Saturday afternoon.
Parking was nigh on impossible, the queue's at the tills were horrendous, and some could barely push the trolleys because they were so full.  | |||
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"For most people this Coronva virus will be less serious than a mild dose of the flu. However it is not flu and differs from it in a number of ways and this is why it is being treated quite differently. The first way it is different from flu is that it's about two to three times more contagious than flu. The second way it's different from flu is that people with this virus can become contagious before they become symptomatic; in fact many people who get this virus may become contagious and never become symptomatic. The third way it's different from flu is that no one has any natural immunity to it as it's never been here before. What we are not talking about here is a world apocalypse or Omega Man scenarios but we are talking about an infection that could, in a reasonable worse case scenario, potentially kill 500,000 people in the UK. The current effort is designed to slow the spread of the virus down. It can't and won't be stopped but, if it can be slowed down, then there is more chance of a vacination being developed before the virus hits its peak contagion and that could potentially save hundreds of vulnerable people from possible death. The advice is to take precautions but don't panic. Very good post.
With apologies to F D Roosevelt, I think the only thing to panic about is panic itself.
Over the weekend here in Germany you would have thought that WW 3 had just broken out.
In our local supermarkets, rice, pasta, sugar, flour, toilet rolls, and tinned anything was virtually unobtainable by Saturday afternoon.
Parking was nigh on impossible, the queue's at the tills were horrendous, and some could barely push the trolleys because they were so full. "Ditto on Cracken post..
The panic will spread probably much faster than the actual virus, irony possibly being that those thronging together could be opening themselves up to copping it..
Pretty glad I kept my noddy kit and respirator now, even if I can't remember if I bagged any spare canisters.. | |||
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"I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause. After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else.......
Yeah! Why not?
The lefties have already tried to blame Trump. "Nobody has blamed Trump. He has cut research spending though. However, as he thinks it's fake news anyway and a plot against him what's the problem? The border with Mexico will be closed too so job done, right? | |||
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"I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence) But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak. It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse??? I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old..... Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses.... Discuss......" wow you started a thread about the carona virus just to have a dig at brexiteers lol get a fcking life | |||
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"I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence) But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak. It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse??? I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old..... Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses.... Discuss...... wow you started a thread about the carona virus just to have a dig at brexiteers lol get a fcking life" ******************** I know, ain't it just sad..??! They ought to mellow out with a nice hot bowl of Big Soup, in my opinion..! Eva X | |||
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"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war" Spanish flu was "just" flu. What do you know about that? Anything? | |||
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"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war" It's a bit more than cold/flu for the reasons I gave in my previous post. On an individual bases, unless you're old or have an underlying condition, it's not something people should overly worry about but, if people don't take reasonable precautions, we could potentially face a situation where about 500,000 people die in the UK from this. But even those are not the real problem if this gets out of hand. The real problem and burden on the NHS is the potential 5,000,000 people who get seriously ill. | |||
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"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war" That is what they said in 1918! Spanish pandemic lasted until 1920, and in the 2 years 500 million people were infected or 27% of the world population! The amount of people who died is estimated at 40 -50 million, but hey it was only a cold! | |||
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"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war That is what they said in 1918! Spanish pandemic lasted until 1920, and in the 2 years 500 million people were infected or 27% of the world population! The amount of people who died is estimated at 40 -50 million, but hey it was only a cold!" That is very true but medical treatment wasnt anywhere near it is today and general health is better, it appears it is the older you are the more likely it is to become life threatening. There is little we can do unless we live like hermits till it passes, if I get it and die then that's tough I've had a good life although would like more, but if I felt my kids and especially grandkids were at risk then it would be much more concerning for me | |||
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"I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence) But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak. It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse??? I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old..... Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses.... Discuss......" Your remark about Brexiteers is both ignorant abusive and insulting,you should aplogise. I remember all these other flues thos will be old news in 3 or four months,sadly some will die but a lot more will die of ordinary flu,cancer,heart decease etc | |||
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"I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence) But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak. It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse??? I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old..... Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses.... Discuss......Your remark about Brexiteers is both ignorant abusive and insulting,you should aplogise. I remember all these other flues thos will be old news in 3 or four months,sadly some will die but a lot more will die of ordinary flu,cancer,heart decease etc" Given the fact the Coronavirus seems to be 10 times more deadly than regular flu, how will more die from ordinary flu?  | |||
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"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war" Why did Boris hold a cobra meeting today then?? | |||
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"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war Why did Boris hold a cobra meeting today then?? " Maybe there's a perfectly innocent explanation. Nothing to do with the Coronavirus. Perhaps he'd lost his pet snake. | |||
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"More like trying to look interested...what percentage of the population have it again? Total worldwide panic ..." 0%. I read that figure on a beer mat. Didn't you hear? There's apparently no reason anybody should worry at all. (Apart from those unlucky people who die from it.) | |||
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"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war That is what they said in 1918! Spanish pandemic lasted until 1920, and in the 2 years 500 million people were infected or 27% of the world population! The amount of people who died is estimated at 40 -50 million, but hey it was only a cold! That is very true but medical treatment wasnt anywhere near it is today and general health is better, it appears it is the older you are the more likely it is to become life threatening. There is little we can do unless we live like hermits till it passes, if I get it and die then that's tough I've had a good life although would like more, but if I felt my kids and especially grandkids were at risk then it would be much more concerning for me" There is no "treatment" for a virus other than a vaccine. We are 6-12 months out from that apparently. It is not age specifically that is the issue. It's underlying medical conditions. | |||
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"Just for a change, perhaps the experts should be listened to: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public" Don't be so silly. It's far better than half the population goes into a massive panic, buys up all the tined and tried food they can and lock themselves away until it all blows other or there's no one left to catch it from. While the other half assume it's all much ado about nothing, take no reasonable precautions and just "carry on", spreading it to the week and vulnerable. It's the British way. | |||
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"Oh no we have a population of god knows 60 million plus and 25 people have the flu ...oh no ,one in Scotland and now one in Wales....quick shut the UK down ...close schools and big firms down...don't leave the house ..what bollocks again ...even big Boris sucked into it ...wash ya hands m8" Quite the medical expert, aren't you? I'm glad you're here to reassure us all. | |||
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"Just for a change, perhaps the experts should be listened to: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public Don't be so silly. It's far better than half the population goes into a massive panic, buys up all the tined and tried food they can and lock themselves away until it all blows other or there's no one left to catch it from. While the other half assume it's all much ado about nothing, take no reasonable precautions and just "carry on", spreading it to the week and vulnerable. It's the British way. "Human way The whole world is in on this | |||
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"Just for a change, perhaps the experts should be listened to: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public Don't be so silly. It's far better than half the population goes into a massive panic, buys up all the tined and tried food they can and lock themselves away until it all blows other or there's no one left to catch it from. While the other half assume it's all much ado about nothing, take no reasonable precautions and just "carry on", spreading it to the week and vulnerable. It's the British way.
Human way
The whole world is in on this
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"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war That is what they said in 1918! Spanish pandemic lasted until 1920, and in the 2 years 500 million people were infected or 27% of the world population! The amount of people who died is estimated at 40 -50 million, but hey it was only a cold! That is very true but medical treatment wasnt anywhere near it is today and general health is better, it appears it is the older you are the more likely it is to become life threatening. There is little we can do unless we live like hermits till it passes, if I get it and die then that's tough I've had a good life although would like more, but if I felt my kids and especially grandkids were at risk then it would be much more concerning for me There is no "treatment" for a virus other than a vaccine. We are 6-12 months out from that apparently. It is not age specifically that is the issue. It's underlying medical conditions." But it's the complications that are killing people ie heart and lung problems which we have drugs to help with that we didnt for Spanish flu, also it is very much age related those under 16 have a tiny risk, so far and long may that continue | |||
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"More remainers have drowned in their own tears!" Obviously, Coronavirus was dreamed up by the EU, Jeremy Corbyn and Elvis to show those Brexiteers the folly of their ways.... | |||
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"For most people this Coronva virus will be less serious than a mild dose of the flu. However it is not flu and differs from it in a number of ways and this is why it is being treated quite differently. The first way it is different from flu is that it's about two to three times more contagious than flu. The second way it's different from flu is that people with this virus can become contagious before they become symptomatic; in fact many people who get this virus may become contagious and never become symptomatic. The third way it's different from flu is that no one has any natural immunity to it as it's never been here before. What we are not talking about here is a world apocalypse or Omega Man scenarios but we are talking about an infection that could, in a reasonable worse case scenario, potentially kill 500,000 people in the UK. The current effort is designed to slow the spread of the virus down. It can't and won't be stopped but, if it can be slowed down, then there is more chance of a vacination being developed before the virus hits its peak contagion and that could potentially save hundreds of vulnerable people from possible death. The advice is to take precautions but don't panic. " Symptom's; 1; You catch what feels like a cold (sore throat, sniffles etc) 1 week, then it seems to clear up and your okay for a week 2; You then catch what feels like the flu (which knocks you for 6) then it seems to clear up and your okay for a week 3; You then catch Pneumonia and this strain of Pneumonia is what takes you out By the time you catch symptom 3 you have already passed it on with 1 & 2. | |||
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"There are treatments for viral infections but vaccines are not one of them.... Vaccines give, hopefully, some immunity however since this corona virus is sharing factors with HIV, a vaccine is not going to be soon or protect all that well." Coronavirus is definitely NOT acting in the same way as HIV. It is part of the strain of virus' linked to flu. Current treatment includes neuraminidase inhibitors to help prevent the replication of the virus to reduce duration and symptomatic response. Vaccines are being worked on at the moment based on the same technology that is used to produce annual flu vaccinations as these are strain specific. | |||
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"I didn’t say it works in the same way, I said it (may) share factors with HIV. This appears to be related to the way it infects. There are treatments for viruses but vaccines are not one of them: they are prophylactics ie, aim to limit degree of illness or provide 100% protection at best. " Linking this with HIV in any way simply serves to cause unnecessary concern and panic. I am also fully aware of what a vaccine does (given that I work with a company that makes them!), you prevent with them and treat with anti virals and retro virals. Vaccines are ultimately going to be the best way to deal with he infection as they will prevent it spreading. Once herd immunity is established, then the virus can be eliminated. | |||
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"The reference to viruses being prophylactic was not for you. If you know how HIV works, you’ll know how hard it is to produce a vaccine that will stimulate immunity. If the Chinese researchers are right with their findings, herd immunity will not be obtainable. Reduction in severity of morbidity will be best expectation." Coronavirus is not HIV. It does not work in the same way beyond being a virus nor does it result in the same effect within the body. Please stop linking the two. | |||
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"I didn’t say it works in the same way, I said it (may) share factors with HIV. This appears to be related to the way it infects. There are treatments for viruses but vaccines are not one of them: they are prophylactics ie, aim to limit degree of illness or provide 100% protection at best. " You are saying that a vaccine is not and will not be a treatment for coronavirus. ?Or flu etc ?? | |||
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"I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause. After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else....... "Wasn’t JC in China over Xmas ? | |||
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"I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause. After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else.......
Wasn’t JC in China over Xmas ?"Ahhh... yet again you mention Corbyn. Your obsession is growing even more. Your love and desperation for him must feel unbearable by now! When you picture youself in bed with him, are you the top or the bottom? | |||
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"I didn’t say it works in the same way, I said it (may) share factors with HIV. This appears to be related to the way it infects. There are treatments for viruses but vaccines are not one of them: they are prophylactics ie, aim to limit degree of illness or provide 100% protection at best. You are saying that a vaccine is not and will not be a treatment for coronavirus. ?Or flu etc ??" No,a vaccine is not and never will be a treatment for ANY infection | |||
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"The reference to viruses being prophylactic was not for you. If you know how HIV works, you’ll know how hard it is to produce a vaccine that will stimulate immunity. If the Chinese researchers are right with their findings, herd immunity will not be obtainable. Reduction in severity of morbidity will be best expectation. Coronavirus is not HIV. It does not work in the same way beyond being a virus nor does it result in the same effect within the body. Please stop linking the two." Ah, it appears you don’t know what vaccines actually do. And there are no proven antiviral drugs for this corona virus, including ritonivir. I don’t see any posts here saying corona virus is the same as human immunodeficiency virus. That the trialling antivirals are HIV drugs proves my point- they are linked, it is thought they infect cells in similar ways. | |||
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"I didn’t say it works in the same way, I said it (may) share factors with HIV. This appears to be related to the way it infects. There are treatments for viruses but vaccines are not one of them: they are prophylactics ie, aim to limit degree of illness or provide 100% protection at best. You are saying that a vaccine is not and will not be a treatment for coronavirus. ?Or flu etc ?? No,a vaccine is not and never will be a treatment for ANY infection" A vaccine is the only thing that will end this before everyone susceptible has died. It will prevent its continued growth in the population. Anti-viral drugs have to be tailored to a virus just like a vaccine. All that can really be done at the moment is symptomatic treatment and treatment of the underlying conditions which are exacerbated. | |||
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"The reference to viruses being prophylactic was not for you. If you know how HIV works, you’ll know how hard it is to produce a vaccine that will stimulate immunity. If the Chinese researchers are right with their findings, herd immunity will not be obtainable. Reduction in severity of morbidity will be best expectation. Coronavirus is not HIV. It does not work in the same way beyond being a virus nor does it result in the same effect within the body. Please stop linking the two. Ah, it appears you don’t know what vaccines actually do. And there are no proven antiviral drugs for this corona virus, including ritonivir. I don’t see any posts here saying corona virus is the same as human immunodeficiency virus. That the trialling antivirals are HIV drugs proves my point- they are linked, it is thought they infect cells in similar ways. " You linked HIV to coronavirus by stating that they "share factors" this is nonsense beyond the fact they are both virus'I have already said that they are developing a vaccine, not that one is being used to treat at the moment. I have explained that neuraminidase inhibitors are currently the best choice to slow it's replication in a body and to help minimise symptomatic responses. Stop trying to link it to HIV, this it daft at best and down right irresponsible at worst. | |||
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"In China it is dying out so it has a three month life span,just think this is all a bit OTT." I hope you're right. I really do. | |||
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"You linked HIV to coronavirus by stating that they "share factors" this is nonsense beyond the fact they are both virus'I have already said that they are developing a vaccine, not that one is being used to treat at the moment. I have explained that neuraminidase inhibitors are currently the best choice to slow it's replication in a body and to help minimise symptomatic responses. Stop trying to link it to HIV, this it daft at best and down right irresponsible at worst." Hmm, I’d advise you to do some reading of scientific papers. You may not like the association but it is indeed a finding of research scientists in China, who have had the longest opportunity to study it. To be pedantic, protease inhibitors, as used for HIV treatment, show the best chance of viral inhibition but there isn’t that much of it about. Neurominidase inhibitors are being used because they are more widely available and were useful with SARS and MERS, both caused by corona strains but to date have not been proven to be effective, as of a month ago. | |||
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"Can I just ask why all of these medical experts are so crap at math? Last weekend, 90’000 contracted the desease 3000 deaths. FACT as per these so called experts 3000 / 90000 = 0.0333 (3.33%) Or as they say 1%" Not really. The 90,000 figure is those known to be infected. They know that this is a significant underestimate so they have a statistical model to approximate the actual infection level and subsequent mortality rate. | |||
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"You linked HIV to coronavirus by stating that they "share factors" this is nonsense beyond the fact they are both virus'I have already said that they are developing a vaccine, not that one is being used to treat at the moment. I have explained that neuraminidase inhibitors are currently the best choice to slow it's replication in a body and to help minimise symptomatic responses. Stop trying to link it to HIV, this it daft at best and down right irresponsible at worst. Hmm, I’d advise you to do some reading of scientific papers. You may not like the association but it is indeed a finding of research scientists in China, who have had the longest opportunity to study it. To be pedantic, protease inhibitors, as used for HIV treatment, show the best chance of viral inhibition but there isn’t that much of it about. Neurominidase inhibitors are being used because they are more widely available and were useful with SARS and MERS, both caused by corona strains but to date have not been proven to be effective, as of a month ago." Funny enough I do read quite a few scientific papers, given that I work in medical research and development. If you want to have a pissing competition about who's degree is better than the other, I'm more than happy to oblige. Personally, I'd rather get some common sense out there to the hundreds of thousands of people who are being unnecessarily worried by false information that is being liberally spread round the internet. Yes coronavirus shouldn't be treated with contempt but likewise it should not be blown out of proportion. It's transmission methods bear no resemblance to HIV, it is completely possible to make a full recovery as we understand it at this time. It does not cause suppression or reduction of the human immune system, only overwhelms it, the same as many diseases do. Take sensible precautions, avoid unnecessary public gatherings, wash your hands often. Read WHO suggestions and don't go buying a million rolls of bog roll. | |||
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"You linked HIV to coronavirus by stating that they "share factors" this is nonsense beyond the fact they are both virus'I have already said that they are developing a vaccine, not that one is being used to treat at the moment. I have explained that neuraminidase inhibitors are currently the best choice to slow it's replication in a body and to help minimise symptomatic responses. Stop trying to link it to HIV, this it daft at best and down right irresponsible at worst. Hmm, I’d advise you to do some reading of scientific papers. You may not like the association but it is indeed a finding of research scientists in China, who have had the longest opportunity to study it. To be pedantic, protease inhibitors, as used for HIV treatment, show the best chance of viral inhibition but there isn’t that much of it about. Neurominidase inhibitors are being used because they are more widely available and were useful with SARS and MERS, both caused by corona strains but to date have not been proven to be effective, as of a month ago. Funny enough I do read quite a few scientific papers, given that I work in medical research and development. If you want to have a pissing competition about who's degree is better than the other, I'm more than happy to oblige. Personally, I'd rather get some common sense out there to the hundreds of thousands of people who are being unnecessarily worried by false information that is being liberally spread round the internet. Yes coronavirus shouldn't be treated with contempt but likewise it should not be blown out of proportion. It's transmission methods bear no resemblance to HIV, it is completely possible to make a full recovery as we understand it at this time. It does not cause suppression or reduction of the human immune system, only overwhelms it, the same as many diseases do. Take sensible precautions, avoid unnecessary public gatherings, wash your hands often. Read WHO suggestions and don't go buying a million rolls of bog roll." Absolutely agree with most of that apart from not resulting in suppression of the immune system. The influenza virus will do that, among many others. Nobody said its transmission methods were similar to HIV !!!! so I guess I claim the better degree lol. Pity the UK PM sought to say he’d shaken hands with corona- affected patients during his trip to A and E. His pregnant partner would have loved that. Luckily it was one of his fibs- there were no Cov19 patients in Kettering Hospital that night. The UK heaves a sigh of relief ...... | |||
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"You linked HIV to coronavirus by stating that they "share factors" this is nonsense beyond the fact they are both virus'I have already said that they are developing a vaccine, not that one is being used to treat at the moment. I have explained that neuraminidase inhibitors are currently the best choice to slow it's replication in a body and to help minimise symptomatic responses. Stop trying to link it to HIV, this it daft at best and down right irresponsible at worst. Hmm, I’d advise you to do some reading of scientific papers. You may not like the association but it is indeed a finding of research scientists in China, who have had the longest opportunity to study it. To be pedantic, protease inhibitors, as used for HIV treatment, show the best chance of viral inhibition but there isn’t that much of it about. Neurominidase inhibitors are being used because they are more widely available and were useful with SARS and MERS, both caused by corona strains but to date have not been proven to be effective, as of a month ago. Funny enough I do read quite a few scientific papers, given that I work in medical research and development. If you want to have a pissing competition about who's degree is better than the other, I'm more than happy to oblige. Personally, I'd rather get some common sense out there to the hundreds of thousands of people who are being unnecessarily worried by false information that is being liberally spread round the internet. Yes coronavirus shouldn't be treated with contempt but likewise it should not be blown out of proportion. It's transmission methods bear no resemblance to HIV, it is completely possible to make a full recovery as we understand it at this time. It does not cause suppression or reduction of the human immune system, only overwhelms it, the same as many diseases do. Take sensible precautions, avoid unnecessary public gatherings, wash your hands often. Read WHO suggestions and don't go buying a million rolls of bog roll. Absolutely agree with most of that apart from not resulting in suppression of the immune system. The influenza virus will do that, among many others. Nobody said its transmission methods were similar to HIV !!!! so I guess I claim the better degree lol. Pity the UK PM sought to say he’d shaken hands with corona- affected patients during his trip to A and E. His pregnant partner would have loved that. Luckily it was one of his fibs- there were no Cov19 patients in Kettering Hospital that night. The UK heaves a sigh of relief ......" If you are referring to H9N2 for example being able to suppress the bodies expression of IFN stimulated anti viral proteins to itself then you are correct, however this is different to HIV's ability to suppress and attack directly the immune system more generally as it does not leave your body unable to respond or fight other concurrent or subsequent pathogens, beyond them simply overwhelming the bodies capacity to respond by sheer numbers. Perhaps I should have been clearer on that point. I've not seen anything about the PM shaking hands with any patients so cannot comment on that. | |||
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"just reading a few news sites before work and the Corona stories seem to have been dialled back a little. " Short attention spans. It's one of the dangers. Because of the lockdown in China the new infection rate has fallen so there's no problem anymore right? Wait until people start going back to work there or until the infection rate increases faster here. | |||
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"Most governments and large pharmaceutical companies are working around the clock to develop a VACCINE for Covid-19" There are reported efforts to create a vaccine but testing their effectiveness, safety and the creation of them in high enough volumes is a very lengthy process. Importantly, it costs money and private health companies are only interested in profits. Expect it to take months to find, test and produce. Plus International approvals times. Whilst millions worry, it may seem to us outsiders that there would be tons of money to be made - that may not be the case. Watch the progression of the disease without a vaccine. Is our reliance on a for-profit model only, the intelligent approach to gain such vaccines, or could that be something that results in more people suffering and never potentially getting treatments that are needed? | |||
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"Have a huge stock of all thats needed if lockdown required also stocked up with Antibiotics "I presume you are trolling with the antibiotics comment? -Matt | |||
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"Have a huge stock of all thats needed if lockdown required also stocked up with Antibiotics
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"Most governments and large pharmaceutical companies are working around the clock to develop a VACCINE for Covid-19 There are reported efforts to create a vaccine but testing their effectiveness, safety and the creation of them in high enough volumes is a very lengthy process. Importantly, it costs money and private health companies are only interested in profits. Expect it to take months to find, test and produce. Plus International approvals times. Whilst millions worry, it may seem to us outsiders that there would be tons of money to be made - that may not be the case. Watch the progression of the disease without a vaccine. Is our reliance on a for-profit model only, the intelligent approach to gain such vaccines, or could that be something that results in more people suffering and never potentially getting treatments that are needed? " The chief medical officer said this morning it will probably take a year to test and roll out a vaccine. Confused why some people on this thread state categorically vaccines don’t work against viruses. It will take a year because the virus has a low mortality rate as opposed to say Ebola which was very high and because the mortality rate is low , the vaccine does not need to be rushed through; corners don’t need to be cut | |||
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"Have a huge stock of all thats needed if lockdown required also stocked up with Antibiotics
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"3.4 % death rate is pretty high." It's a 96.6% survival rate. That said, enough people are so shit scared that it's slowing capitalism right down - which is good for the environment. Who'd have though a virus you really don't need to be that frightened of would lead to a reduction in carbon emissions? Swings and roundabouts, eh? | |||
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"Happily experts do seem to be back in fashion which is a relief. Even our Prime Minister has finally come out of hiding and allowed the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Advisor to explain the complexity of the situation and not oversimplify it to a simple soundbite. Chris Whitty was also on Today this morning and again doing a good job. This is also worth a listen: Decision Time - Corona Virus with Tony Robinson. Some more experts I'm afraid. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000gfcx" Amen to that. Definitely worth listening to. And I'm sure Nick gets called Tony all the time. | |||
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"3.4 % death rate is pretty high. It's a 96.6% survival rate. That said, enough people are so shit scared that it's slowing capitalism right down - which is good for the environment. Who'd have though a virus you really don't need to be that frightened of would lead to a reduction in carbon emissions? Swings and roundabouts, eh?" But Mr Trump says he has a hunch it’s way less than 1% and inferred it’s fine to go to work with it, so we can all sleep that bit more soundly in our beds now. | |||
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"3.4 % death rate is pretty high. It's a 96.6% survival rate. That said, enough people are so shit scared that it's slowing capitalism right down - which is good for the environment. Who'd have though a virus you really don't need to be that frightened of would lead to a reduction in carbon emissions? Swings and roundabouts, eh? But Mr Trump says he has a hunch it’s way less than 1% and inferred it’s fine to go to work with it, so we can all sleep that bit more soundly in our beds now." No one knows what the real rate is because it has been reported that for a good few the infection has very few if any symptoms so it's possible the mortality rate is much lower than feared. While it's a serious issue it's no zombie apocalypse, yet, and of course the world could do with a few less of us walking about, it would be ironic if the death raised to 30 to 40 percent, it would save the world from man made climate change in a stroke | |||
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"First 500,000.... now 700,000 dead. Lol lol... oh god that’s hilarious. Let’s just make it a round million why don’t we" I didnt say 500,000 and it would seem ive under egged it as the who say the virus has a contagion rate of approx 80% and have revised theirestimated 3.4% as our population is at least 65 million, that means close to two million dead, its not just a sniffle anymore | |||
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"Compared to how many might die if climate change goes into overdrive that could be a small number, of course that's if it's real, and to have any affect on the climate it would need a couple of billion to succumb to the virus, "If this becomes a pandemic thats the sort of losses we may be talking abou | |||
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"First 500,000.... now 700,000 dead. Lol lol... oh god that’s hilarious. Let’s just make it a round million why don’t we I didnt say 500,000 and it would seem ive under egged it as the who say the virus has a contagion rate of approx 80% and have revised theirestimated 3.4% as our population is at least 65 million, that means close to two million dead, its not just a sniffle anymore" I didnt say that you did say 500,000 dead. But there are quite a few references on this thread to the 500,000 figure. Anyone who gets to a figure of 500,000 or 700,000 deaths in the UK needs to re-take their GCSE maths lol | |||
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"As the chief medical officer said today ; you are highly unlikely to die if : A. You are not elderly B. You are basically fit and healthy with no underlying serious health conditions. Which is the vast vast majority of the population " Well it would probably kill me, for one. | |||
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"First 500,000.... now 700,000 dead. Lol lol... oh god that’s hilarious. Let’s just make it a round million why don’t we I didnt say 500,000 and it would seem ive under egged it as the who say the virus has a contagion rate of approx 80% and have revised theirestimated 3.4% as our population is at least 65 million, that means close to two million dead, its not just a sniffle anymore I didnt say that you did say 500,000 dead. But there are quite a few references on this thread to the 500,000 figure. Anyone who gets to a figure of 500,000 or 700,000 deaths in the UK needs to re-take their GCSE maths lol" What do you believe 3% of of 64 million is then? | |||
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"3% of 64 million?. I make that 1.92 million. What do you make it?" Well i made the same figure when i explained the who and uk chief medicals estimate at uk deaths if this becomes an epidemic and you said the maths was wrong | |||
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"Check out what’s happening in China. Review exactly what the CMO said today. You believe every single person in the UK will be infected ?. What’s the population of wuhan?. How many were infected ?. How many died ?. How long did the Chinese turn a blind eye before they acted ?. Is the infection rate in wuhan declining or increasing ?. Is the death rate in wuhan increasing or declining ?. In such a vast , highly densely populated city such as wuhan , what is the projected number of deaths ?. " Firstly i apologise i misread that the mortality rate was 3.4% of all reported cases and as only a fraction of those infected feel ill enough to report it the number of deaths would be considerably lower than i estimated but still considerably higher than it should be. | |||
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"Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really" Sorry mate up to 116 today and one death | |||
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"Eat pringles. Not bat's!! " Is that the new Pringles ad? | |||
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"Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really Sorry mate up to 116 today and one death" An extra 35 today? At that rate only another 5000 years to go and all 65,000,000 people in the uk will have caught it Time to start worrying | |||
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"Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really Sorry mate up to 116 today and one death An extra 35 today? At that rate only another 5000 years to go and all 65,000,000 people in the uk will have caught it Time to start worrying "Where is the math to support that ?
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"Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really Sorry mate up to 116 today and one death An extra 35 today? At that rate only another 5000 years to go and all 65,000,000 people in the uk will have caught it Time to start worrying "Lol. What a fantastic way to demonstrate a lack of understanding of maths. You think the rate of infection is linear? How cute. -Matt | |||
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"He was taking the mick out of the doomongers not being serious" Really? Strange way to go about it. Surely if that was the intention then you wouldn’t purposefully misrepresent the maths behind it and instead focus on an actually valid reason. -Matt | |||
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"Antibiotics will NOT help you . That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics . I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months" Just to reiterate: Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus. | |||
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"OK folks, panic over. Megan Markle has replaced Coronavirus as the Mails top story. So it can't be all that bad then. "That is actually pretty funny | |||
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"Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really Sorry mate up to 116 today and one death An extra 35 today? At that rate only another 5000 years to go and all 65,000,000 people in the uk will have caught it Time to start worrying
Lol. What a fantastic way to demonstrate a lack of understanding of maths. You think the rate of infection is linear? How cute.
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" -Matt I did a quick back-of-a-fag-packet calculation, based on current rate of growth for the curve, and if there is no urgent change of policy by the government (like closing down all public events), by two weeks today the numbers will be something like 2000 new cases every day. Two weeks after that it could be up to 100,000 a day, but no-one will be counting by then. ." Found an old Marlboro Lights cigarette packet in the cupboard, a normal one, no health warnings etc, must be about 12 years old | |||
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"Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really Sorry mate up to 116 today and one death An extra 35 today? At that rate only another 5000 years to go and all 65,000,000 people in the uk will have caught it Time to start worrying
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"I reckon the bloke who invented hand sanitizer must be rubbing his hands together. He'll clean up "Steady now Basil....boom boom! | |||
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"I reckon the bloke who invented hand sanitizer must be rubbing his hands together. He'll clean up
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"When it gets really bad, I’m gonna hold my toddler of a granddaughter in my arms in front of me as a sorta human shield . Kids hardly get affected so sounds a plan" I know that you're joking, but try not to think in these over-simplified terms or communicate this sort of thinking. Anyone, young, middle-aged and old, can be seriously effected if they have an underlying medical condition. This may not be apparent, particularly when they are younger. You have to act as if everyone is at risk... | |||
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"I just bought a pair of arsenal goalkeeping gloves they should keep me safe he seems to catch fuck all while wearing them. "Harsh but fair, unfortunately | |||
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"For most people this Coronva virus will be less serious than a mild dose of the flu. However it is not flu and differs from it in a number of ways and this is why it is being treated quite differently. The first way it is different from flu is that it's about two to three times more contagious than flu. The second way it's different from flu is that people with this virus can become contagious before they become symptomatic; in fact many people who get this virus may become contagious and never become symptomatic. The third way it's different from flu is that no one has any natural immunity to it as it's never been here before. What we are not talking about here is a world apocalypse or Omega Man scenarios but we are talking about an infection that could, in a reasonable worse case scenario, potentially kill 500,000 people in the UK. The current effort is designed to slow the spread of the virus down. It can't and won't be stopped but, if it can be slowed down, then there is more chance of a vacination being developed before the virus hits its peak contagion and that could potentially save hundreds of vulnerable people from possible death. The advice is to take precautions but don't panic. " Yep. I mean if you just look at the infographics you can see how severe the risk or little risk the virus is to you. For me it'd likely just be a mild flu. Should I take actions incase of infection or a need to self isolate, yes, and I have, as I work in an NHS laboratory and take public transportation. Again, as another poster eluded to, we just.like to sensationalise things now. | |||
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"Antibiotics will NOT help you . That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics . I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months Just to reiterate: Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus." and your point is? | |||
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"Antibiotics will NOT help you . That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics . I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months Just to reiterate: Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus. and your point is? "That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus. You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever. You understand that, right? | |||
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"Antibiotics will NOT help you . That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics . I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months Just to reiterate: Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus. and your point is?
That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.
You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.
You understand that, right?"or alternatively they can make the World of difference depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial fact is; If you do not have a spleen, or have a spleen that does not work well, you have an increased risk of developing some serious infections. The risk is reduced by: immunisation, taking regular low-dose antibiotics and taking full-strength antibiotics as soon as the first sign of infection develops. . You understand that, right? | |||
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"Antibiotics will NOT help you . That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics . I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months Just to reiterate: Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus. and your point is?
That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.
You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.
You understand that, right?
or alternatively they can make the World of difference
depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial
fact is;
If you do not have a spleen, or have a spleen that does not work well, you have an increased risk of developing some serious infections. The risk is reduced by: immunisation, taking regular low-dose antibiotics and taking full-strength antibiotics as soon as the first sign of infection develops.
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"Antibiotics will NOT help you . That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics . I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months Just to reiterate: Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus. and your point is?
That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.
You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.
You understand that, right?
or alternatively they can make the World of difference
depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial
fact is;
If you do not have a spleen, or have a spleen that does not work well, you have an increased risk of developing some serious infections. The risk is reduced by: immunisation, taking regular low-dose antibiotics and taking full-strength antibiotics as soon as the first sign of infection develops.
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"Antibiotics will NOT help you . That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics . I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months Just to reiterate: Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus. and your point is?
That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.
You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.
You understand that, right?
or alternatively they can make the World of difference
depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial
fact is;
If you do not have a spleen, or have a spleen that does not work well, you have an increased risk of developing some serious infections. The risk is reduced by: immunisation, taking regular low-dose antibiotics and taking full-strength antibiotics as soon as the first sign of infection develops.
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You understand that, right?
Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol
ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in
note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well."Fine. If you really believe that antibiotics will fix your viral or fungal infection then good luck to you | |||
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"Antibiotics will NOT help you . That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics . I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months Just to reiterate: Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus. and your point is?
That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.
You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.
You understand that, right?
or alternatively they can make the World of difference
depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial
fact is;
If you do not have a spleen, or have a spleen that does not work well, you have an increased risk of developing some serious infections. The risk is reduced by: immunisation, taking regular low-dose antibiotics and taking full-strength antibiotics as soon as the first sign of infection develops.
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You understand that, right?
Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol
ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in
note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well.
Fine. If you really believe that antibiotics will fix your viral or fungal infection then good luck to you "He hasn't said that they will cure either, what he has said that they will prevent secondary bacterial infections which as he has no spleen he is far more susceptible to than you or I. | |||
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"Antibiotics will NOT help you . That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics . I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months Just to reiterate: Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus. and your point is?
That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.
You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.
You understand that, right?
or alternatively they can make the World of difference
depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial
fact is;
If you do not have a spleen, or have a spleen that does not work well, you have an increased risk of developing some serious infections. The risk is reduced by: immunisation, taking regular low-dose antibiotics and taking full-strength antibiotics as soon as the first sign of infection develops.
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You understand that, right?
Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol
ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in
note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well.
Fine. If you really believe that antibiotics will fix your viral or fungal infection then good luck to you "Where has anyone said that antibiotics will aid a viral or fungal infection, go back and read the thread, tell me where anyone states antibiotics will fix viral. Doctors advise anyone who has no spleen to go on high strength antibiotics right away as soon as a chest infection develops they advise immediately, they do not advise to wait and take tests to see if bacterial or viral why dont you read up on that before the mislead people | |||
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"Antibiotics will NOT help you . That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics . I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months Just to reiterate: Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus. and your point is?
That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.
You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.
You understand that, right?
or alternatively they can make the World of difference
depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial
fact is;
If you do not have a spleen, or have a spleen that does not work well, you have an increased risk of developing some serious infections. The risk is reduced by: immunisation, taking regular low-dose antibiotics and taking full-strength antibiotics as soon as the first sign of infection develops.
.
You understand that, right?
Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol
ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in
note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well.
Fine. If you really believe that antibiotics will fix your viral or fungal infection then good luck to you
He hasn't said that they will cure either, what he has said that they will prevent secondary bacterial infections which as he has no spleen he is far more susceptible to than you or I."
Glad you can clearly read and understand that _obka3
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"Antibiotics will NOT help you . That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics . I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months Just to reiterate: Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus. and your point is?
That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.
You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.
You understand that, right?
or alternatively they can make the World of difference
depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial
fact is;
If you do not have a spleen, or have a spleen that does not work well, you have an increased risk of developing some serious infections. The risk is reduced by: immunisation, taking regular low-dose antibiotics and taking full-strength antibiotics as soon as the first sign of infection develops.
.
You understand that, right?
Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol
ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in
note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well.
Fine. If you really believe that antibiotics will fix your viral or fungal infection then good luck to you
He hasn't said that they will cure either, what he has said that they will prevent secondary bacterial infections which as he has no spleen he is far more susceptible to than you or I.
Glad you can clearly read and understand that _obka3
some on here simply cannot read and understand the simplest of things"Then I apologise. I did not read your clarification properly. I still had your initial post in mind: "why would I be trolling what is the first thing you are prescribed for pneumonia? and what secondary infection does corona lead onto? being totally serious" | |||
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"Antibiotics will NOT help you . That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics . I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months Just to reiterate: Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus. and your point is?
That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.
You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.
You understand that, right?
or alternatively they can make the World of difference
depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial
fact is;
If you do not have a spleen, or have a spleen that does not work well, you have an increased risk of developing some serious infections. The risk is reduced by: immunisation, taking regular low-dose antibiotics and taking full-strength antibiotics as soon as the first sign of infection develops.
.
You understand that, right?
Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol
ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in
note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well.
Fine. If you really believe that antibiotics will fix your viral or fungal infection then good luck to you
He hasn't said that they will cure either, what he has said that they will prevent secondary bacterial infections which as he has no spleen he is far more susceptible to than you or I.
Glad you can clearly read and understand that _obka3
some on here simply cannot read and understand the simplest of things"Hope you make it through dude
And I see you are stockpiling ammo from the other thread can I come chill at yours if it gets really serious. I got a Mossberg a serious amount of Toilet roll and whiskey. | |||
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" And I see you are stockpiling ammo from the other thread can I come chill at yours if it gets really serious. I got a Mossberg a serious amount of Toilet roll and whiskey. "your more than welcome I have a Benelli M2 9 shot semi auto (solid slug) only allowed 300 cartridges as they have to go on your firearm cert even although shotgun cartridge as its solid slug. 300 of each of other rounds too dont worry about toilet roll I have plenty for us all, never enough Whisky though, so feel free to bring as much as you can carry | |||
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"If you have no spleen and reduced immune system a doctor does not wait and carry out tests to see what strain of pneumonia you have, he immediately puts you on high antibiotics, in my case 500mg Amoxicillin, normally you keep this at home as stand by and as soon as you develop signs of a cold or chest infection, you go on this right away you do not hold off, go visit doctor and ask for tests to see if viral, bacterial or what ever kind of common sense, but then with some; common sense is not often found. " Again, you did not say that in your initial comment and I did not read your clarification properly. You would not take antibiotics without thought under other circumstances. Are you not able to accept an apology? | |||
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"If you have no spleen and reduced immune system a doctor does not wait and carry out tests to see what strain of pneumonia you have, he immediately puts you on high antibiotics, in my case 500mg Amoxicillin, normally you keep this at home as stand by and as soon as you develop signs of a cold or chest infection, you go on this right away you do not hold off, go visit doctor and ask for tests to see if viral, bacterial or what ever kind of common sense, but then with some; common sense is not often found. Again, you did not say that in your initial comment and I did not read your clarification properly. You would not take antibiotics without thought under other circumstances. Are you not able to accept an apology?" ofcourse no worries, enjoy your night, if your ever up in Scotland, come on over and enjoy a whisky or two they say Scots are highly protected due to the amount of alcohol in our bodies
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"Ha, people on here will argue over anything "it is the politics forum after all...they could start an argument in an empty house even if they could. | |||
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"Number of diagnosed cases in UK now doubling every two days, according to latest official figures. At just over 200 cases today (saturday). So: Monday - 400 Wednesday - 800 Friday - 1,600 Next Sunday - 3,200 Week on Tuesday - 6,400 Week on Thursday - 12,800 Week on Saturday - 25,600 Two weeks on Monday - 51,200 Two weeks on Wednesday - 102,400 Or thereabouts. Might reach the 100 thousand level a few days earlier or later, but it will get there unless the government does something very drastic like forced quarantine of cities and stopping all movement. " as long as C2C is still on next weekend, | |||
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"Which is a bit crazy as no vaccine means how long will people be in lockdown?? I mean once they allow free movement again it will just start all over again. " I think the idea of the lockdown is to wait until the infection rates drop and end, you only need the vacation really for the next outbreak. | |||
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"Number of diagnosed cases in UK now doubling every two days, according to latest official figures. At just over 200 cases today (saturday). So: Monday - 400 Wednesday - 800 Friday - 1,600 Next Sunday - 3,200 Week on Tuesday - 6,400 Week on Thursday - 12,800 Week on Saturday - 25,600 Two weeks on Monday - 51,200 Two weeks on Wednesday - 102,400 Or thereabouts. Might reach the 100 thousand level a few days earlier or later, but it will get there unless the government does something very drastic like forced quarantine of cities and stopping all movement. " ********************** As long as Northwich Sauna is open, a "flying fig I do not give"...!! Eva X (Having a laugh at all the faff) | |||
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"Number of diagnosed cases in UK now doubling every two days, according to latest official figures. At just over 200 cases today (saturday). So: Monday - 400 Wednesday - 800 Friday - 1,600 Next Sunday - 3,200 Week on Tuesday - 6,400 Week on Thursday - 12,800 Week on Saturday - 25,600 Two weeks on Monday - 51,200 Two weeks on Wednesday - 102,400 Or thereabouts. Might reach the 100 thousand level a few days earlier or later, but it will get there unless the government does something very drastic like forced quarantine of cities and stopping all movement. ********************** As long as Northwich Sauna is open, a "flying fig I do not give"...!! Eva X (Having a laugh at all the faff)" Ah, not very compassionate then? I suppose you don’t care if any of your friends or family catch the virus? | |||
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"Number of diagnosed cases in UK now doubling every two days, according to latest official figures. At just over 200 cases today (saturday). So: Monday - 400 Wednesday - 800 Friday - 1,600 Next Sunday - 3,200 Week on Tuesday - 6,400 Week on Thursday - 12,800 Week on Saturday - 25,600 Two weeks on Monday - 51,200 Two weeks on Wednesday - 102,400 Or thereabouts. Might reach the 100 thousand level a few days earlier or later, but it will get there unless the government does something very drastic like forced quarantine of cities and stopping all movement. ********************** As long as Northwich Sauna is open, a "flying fig I do not give"...!! Eva X (Having a laugh at all the faff) Ah, not very compassionate then? I suppose you don’t care if any of your friends or family catch the virus? " ******************** Don't put words in my mouth son. Eva | |||
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